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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: the whitetail woods, presented by First Light, creating proven versatile

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Speaker 1: hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind. First Light

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Speaker 1: Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenya,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast.

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Speaker 2: This week on the show, we are continuing our series

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Speaker 2: exploring the habits, mindsets, routines and methods of the best

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Speaker 2: deer hunters in the world. And today's guest is mister

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Speaker 2: Tony Peterson. All right, welcome to the wir Ton Podcast,

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Speaker 2: brought to you by First Lights. And today on that note,

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Speaker 2: historically we've talked about First Light bringing you this podcast

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Speaker 2: and their camera for Conservation initiative and all that kind

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Speaker 2: of good stuff, which is still ongoing. But today we

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Speaker 2: also have some different excited First Light whitetail news that

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Speaker 2: I want to quickly tell you about before we get

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Speaker 2: to this Mindsets of the whitetail Masters podcast and in

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Speaker 2: a special edition of our Mindsets of the whitetail Masters podcast.

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Speaker 2: Because the guy who's on here today, I wouldn't call

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Speaker 2: him a white tail master. He's more of a knucklehead.

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Speaker 2: But somehow he slipped his way in here. But I'm kidding.

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Speaker 2: I'm kidding. But before we get to that, and while

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Speaker 2: I still have Tony on mute, we have to talk

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Speaker 2: about first Lights brand new as of just a couple

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Speaker 2: of days ago, launch of are revamped, completely new white

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Speaker 2: tail system. Three new whitetail systems have launched as of

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Speaker 2: July thirtieth, twenty twenty four. Tony and I both got

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Speaker 2: to be a part of that process, you know, prototyping

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Speaker 2: this gear for like three years. I've been involved in

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Speaker 2: kind of conference calls and zoom meetings and back and

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Speaker 2: forth feedback sessions discussing what we liked about the old stuff,

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Speaker 2: what we didn't like about the old stuff, what are

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Speaker 2: all the little things and changes that we would like

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Speaker 2: to see made. You know, I think something that Tony

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Speaker 2: and I have talked a lot about within our deer

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Speaker 2: hunting kind of world is the importance of the little details,

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Speaker 2: the tiny tweaks, all these little one percent things that

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Speaker 2: stack up and end up making a big difference in

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Speaker 2: the end. That's the approach that we've tried to take

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Speaker 2: with this new gear, and so that's that's at a

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Speaker 2: very high level. What's now dropped there is the new

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Speaker 2: phase system, the core system and the thermic system. The

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Speaker 2: phase is going to be well, you know, Tony, do

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Speaker 2: sharing quick thoughts before I walk through a quick system overview?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I think I think it might just help.

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Speaker 3: You know, you you've mentioned that we helped kind of

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Speaker 3: think people understand what goes into revamping three different lineups

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Speaker 3: for you know, basically any part of the season, you know,

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Speaker 3: whether whether you're hunting early or you hunt down south

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Speaker 3: and you know, in July and Idaho three years ago

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Speaker 3: and these things go through iterations and you know, they

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Speaker 3: this little thing is not working for me, or like

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Speaker 2: And like I mentioned, as of July thirtieth, it's out there.

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Speaker 2: You can see him over at first light dot com.

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Speaker 2: There's the three sets. Like I mentioned, We've got the

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Speaker 2: Phase system, which is going to be the kind of

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Speaker 2: That's the phase that's gonna be something you can wear

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Speaker 2: Think that's the key thing there, versatility. The next one

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Speaker 2: and I Tony have been working on closely, which is

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're on the the Meat Eater YouTube clips channel.

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Speaker 3: We've been dropping some new content where we have addressed

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Speaker 3: the situation is vastly different. So it's not like you're

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00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 3: returning to the same thing. But it's like that process

432
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 3: of figuring new stuff out and just feeling that feeling

433
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,919
Speaker 3: of like you put yourself there and you failed, like

434
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:51,640
Speaker 3: go back, get like complete this mission and move on.

435
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,360
Speaker 3: It's just that that part is like such a powerful

436
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:56,199
Speaker 3: motivator for me.

437
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,119
Speaker 2: So you touched on this a little bit, but I

438
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 2: want you to more explicitly elaborate on failure. So so

439
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 2: you just told me clearly what success is. Can you

440
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,880
Speaker 2: can you elaborate a little bit on what failure looks

441
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 2: like or what examples of something you would consider failure.

442
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 3: Now, failure I don't even consider like a miss a failure,

443
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 3: Like I consider that just like a part of you know,

444
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 3: bow hunting specifically, where it's like it's just gonna happen

445
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 3: sometimes and yet like if you if it happens, you

446
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 3: failed at your job. But I don't like that doesn't

447
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,360
Speaker 3: eat me up, like what I feel as a failure

448
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 3: is when I'm like I'm just gonna sit here, when

449
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 3: even in like the little devil on my shoulder, the

450
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 3: Angel on my shoulder, like no, no, no, you got to

451
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 3: like figure this out, like you're not there yet. When

452
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 3: I'm just like now I'm just gonna do this or

453
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 3: I don't you know, like let's a lot of these

454
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 3: hunts you go on, right, hunt in the morning, scout

455
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 3: hunt in the evening. That's kind of your day setup.

456
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:06,919
Speaker 3: If I don't use that midday time, you know, so

457
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 3: then I'm like i feel like I'm a little bit behind.

458
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,400
Speaker 3: Like that's a failure to me, like not being efficient

459
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 3: and just keep looking, because that's that's the thing. You know,

460
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 3: Like Steve talks about this since our hunt where it's

461
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 3: like he's like, you're not like an optimistic hunter. You're like,

462
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 3: just nose to the grindstone. Let's just work through this

463
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,679
Speaker 3: and figure it out. But that's like the process, you know,

464
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 3: Like you and I were talking before this about your

465
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 3: race that you just did a little bit ago, and

466
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 3: you were talking about how the prep work and the

467
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 3: training runs were almost more satisfying than actually doing the race,

468
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,120
Speaker 3: and it's like that's why whitetail hunting is so beautiful.

469
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 3: I don't care if you have that private place that

470
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 3: you're just like working on making it into like a

471
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 3: deer paradise and you're putting all that off season time in,

472
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 3: or if you're a hardcore public land hunter and you

473
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 3: scout a lot and on a totally different path like

474
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 3: that work building up to it. If you can feel

475
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 3: good about that, it's going to be hard to believe

476
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 3: you fail. But it's like when you just take that

477
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 3: shortcut or you go like you sit somewhere where you're

478
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 3: like the wind is not right, or I just like

479
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 3: have no belief that they're going to come in here,

480
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 3: which is you know when I think about like when

481
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 3: I was growing up, my dad and I would hang

482
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 3: like four or five stands, and then when you had

483
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 3: a chance to hunt, you'd be like, well, you're going

484
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 3: to sit the acorn stand or the crossing or what like.

485
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 3: It was never like they should be going through here

486
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 3: now because it's October tenth and they should be doing this.

487
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 3: It was just like, let's just sit there and hope

488
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 3: they walk by. That's like a failure to me, you know,

489
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 3: and I think a lot of people do that, and

490
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 3: I don't. I just that feeling drives me freaking nuts.

491
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:37,719
Speaker 3: I don't like it.

492
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 2: Yep, you have that like whispering voice in the back

493
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 2: of your mind just telling you, man, you know you

494
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 2: shouldn't be doing this. You know you should be doing

495
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 2: that other thing. You know you should be doing X,

496
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 2: Y or Z. That's that's the worst if you let

497
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,679
Speaker 2: yourself fall into that trap of convenience or comfort or whatever,

498
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 2: and you just know you're not doing it well when

499
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 2: you when you think about that. I mean, there's been

500
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 2: a few times in my life, like I can remember

501
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 2: very specifically one time down in Oklahoma hunting this total

502
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 2: deer desert down there in this on this public land

503
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 2: where I couldn't find a deer. I mean, I just

504
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 2: like I walked around for like five hours one afternoon, sweating,

505
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 2: I had nothing going on. I finally jumped a little

506
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 2: buck out of a patch of timber, and I'm like,

507
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 2: I'm gonna set up here, see if he comes back.

508
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 2: Like this is like the deer I have to work with.

509
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 2: And I walked up to this tree and it had

510
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 2: the deep grooves in the bark, and there were all

511
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 2: these hornets that perfectly matched the color of the bark

512
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 2: as I'm like throwing my first stick strap around and

513
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, what's going on here? And

514
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 2: I looked and they were all in there because it

515
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 2: was like it was a cold front down there, so

516
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 2: I think they were just hold up, but they certainly

517
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 2: wouldn't have tolerated me climbing that tree. And I just

518
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 2: remember thinking like this sucks so much, like I have

519
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:03,199
Speaker 2: nothing going on, and on that trip, I just like

520
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 2: I remember that feeling of like trying so hard and

521
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 2: having nothing, and my buddy and I just talk and like,

522
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,959
Speaker 2: let's just go somewhere else. Let's not because you're kind

523
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 2: of at the point like should we just go home

524
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 2: like it was that hopeless or should we just call

525
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 2: an audible go somewhere else.

526
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 3: So we did that and ended up having a great

527
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 3: little hunt in the last couple of days. I killed

528
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 3: a doe in a buck in like totally different place,

529
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 3: and I think about those moments like I had another

530
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 3: one in South Dakota one time a few years ago.

531
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,479
Speaker 3: I just couldn't get anything going, like I just I

532
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 3: could not find anything to work with, and that I

533
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 3: found one group of bucks that I thought I could

534
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 3: maybe maybe have a chance with and they just they

535
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 3: didn't play with me, like for whatever reason. The best

536
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 3: setup I had for them, I had five coyotes come

537
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 3: in at one time, which I've never had before, and

538
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 3: it was just like another one of those times where

539
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, I could be home in ten hours,

540
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 3: like what am I doing here? And just that feeling

541
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 3: of being like, you know, if you keep going, something's

542
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,479
Speaker 3: probably going to fall into place and you might not

543
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 3: kill one, but at least you'll have like an answer

544
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 3: to this huge problem you can't seem to solve. And

545
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 3: I ended up finding a little honey hoole thing after

546
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 3: walking around forever and killing two deer. In like ten minutes,

547
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 3: I kill a don a buck, And I was like,

548
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 3: those moments are so reinforcing because there's not like in

549
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,719
Speaker 3: those situations, you can't go back to the house and

550
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 3: be like I'll just come back on Halloween. You know,

551
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 3: like it's either you do it now or you don't

552
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 3: do it. And so you know how that is, Like

553
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 3: you sit there and you make all these excuses and

554
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 3: you second guess yourself and sometimes you just flame out

555
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 3: for days and days and days and it doesn't work.

556
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 3: But sometimes you fight through those those bad thoughts and

557
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,479
Speaker 3: something good happens and that is like fuel forever, Like

558
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 3: that never goes away from you, you know what I mean,

559
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 3: Like I was, you know, you just did that race.

560
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 3: My buddy just did a Marria on this spring, and

561
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 3: he was telling me and he I mean, he's he's

562
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 3: a pretty fast runner. He had a great time, and

563
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 3: he was he was ready, like he trained hard, and

564
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 3: he said he hit mile twenty four and it was

565
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 3: like he was carrying an extra person on his back,

566
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 3: and he's like, I wanted to quit in a way

567
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 3: that never has occurred to me before. But he's like

568
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 3: mile twenty four, you know, like you got to power

569
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 3: through that, and he did, and he was like, you know,

570
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 3: he wrote rode that runners high afterwards and he you know,

571
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 3: like he did an awesome job. But we hit those

572
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 3: moments in hunting all the time. They're probably a little

573
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 3: more subdued than that, like that would hit you like

574
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 3: that would be a heavy one. But every time you

575
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 3: kind of just fight through that and go I'm not

576
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 3: I'm not going to listen to the voice that tells

577
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 3: me to just give in or make the excuse to

578
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,959
Speaker 3: try later when it might be better, like just just

579
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 3: fight through that stuff. It oftentimes works in your favor.

580
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's amazing too, Like how and this might

581
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 2: be unique to everyone. Maybe everyone's got their own approach,

582
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 2: but like I need to explicitly like have self talk

583
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 2: to talk myself through that stuff. Like maybe I'm maybe

584
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,479
Speaker 2: I'm a crazy person, but uh, but like, for example,

585
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 2: speaking of races, like the race that I just did,

586
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 2: you you the first like two thirds of the race

587
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 2: is going up to the top of the Teetown Range,

588
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 2: like almost six thousand feet up, just endless climbing, and

589
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 2: then you come off the summit and there's a very

590
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 2: long it was mostly single track trail all the way

591
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 2: to the top. But then on the way down there's

592
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 2: like a service road that comes down off this this

593
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 2: peak because there's a ski resource, so there was a

594
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 2: road up one side. So there's just a long steep,

595
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 2: pretty fast rundown. So your quads are just getting pounded.

596
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 2: So first you're like, oh, this is great going downhill,

597
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 2: but then after you do that for like two miles

598
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 2: or however long, it was like you're like, oh man,

599
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 2: now your quads are just getting hammered. Every time, right

600
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 2: at that moment where you start to feel like, oh geez,

601
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 2: like my quads are getting destroyed, it stops and then

602
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 2: it went way down and now all of a sudden,

603
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 2: there's another uphill and you go up again. Forever it

604
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 2: was all downhill from there, like you just thought it

605
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 2: was all easy stand on from now, and now it's like, man,

606
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 2: another huge climb. And I just remember, like on that

607
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 2: huge climb. It's very cheesy, but I literally for half

608
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 2: hour just said like, you can do this, you will

609
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 2: do this, you can do this, you will do this.

610
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 2: And I literally said that to myself for half an

611
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 2: hour in my head as I just like trudged up

612
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 2: this freaking mountain again. And and that kind of stuff works.

613
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 2: That kind of stuff helps well.

614
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 3: But also not only just having a you know that

615
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,959
Speaker 3: internal you know, monologue going on in your head, but

616
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 3: also just the more you do stuff like that, the

617
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 3: easier it is to do stuff like that. And I

618
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 3: think you build that. I mean this I even kind

619
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 3: of ties back to our EDU series. I think everybody

620
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 3: thinks that they can hunt deer as well as everyone else,

621
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, I guess it's a little different

622
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 3: for like newbies like seem to know, like, hey, I

623
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 3: don't know what the hell's going on, Especially with dudes

624
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 3: who've been doing it a while. It's like it's very

625
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 3: easy to be like we're all kind of on the

626
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 3: same level, but really, like the difference maker is almost

627
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 3: always what's between your ears, Like you if you put

628
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 3: a bunch of people, you know, like I've I've been

629
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 3: talking about this a lot lately because a lot of

630
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 3: people have been reaching out about you know, the resident

631
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 3: non resident fighting in all these different states and these

632
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 3: opportunities we're losing. And I'll tell you what, dude, I

633
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 3: have people reach out often who are like I hunt

634
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 3: X state and the public land's so busy, I can't

635
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 3: kill deer anymore. So I do think we should cut

636
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 3: down on the over the countertags or make it all

637
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 3: a draw or whatever. But you don't I never hear

638
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 3: anybody say like I've been scouting more than usual, or

639
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 3: I've been putting in more work, or I've been trying

640
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 3: to figure something out. It's it's almost always like what

641
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 3: I've always done doesn't work anymore, and so there's some

642
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 3: out external factor that needs to change. But you can

643
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 3: get rid of those non residents, and the leasing is

644
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 3: still going to happen, and there's still going to be

645
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 3: more people pushed on to public land, and it's still

646
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,879
Speaker 3: going to be on you to figure this stuff out.

647
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 3: And certainly you could certainly make it easier for yourself

648
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 3: if you kicked out twenty percent of the hunters or

649
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 3: whatever the number is. But over time it's going to

650
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 3: normalize again, and it's going to be up to you

651
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 3: to figure that stuff out. And the more that you're

652
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 3: just like I just have to kind of see this

653
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 3: through and think about this and work through these problems,

654
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 3: the better off, you know.

655
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:39,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, take it, take it on your own shoulders, adapt, evolve,

656
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 2: it's always it's always a better solution, and pointing fingers

657
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 2: of other people and bemoaning, well the situation.

658
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 3: I mean, I think one of the most dangerous mindsets

659
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 3: that that I see people adopt in white tail hunting,

660
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 3: and this is like very common, is that's not possible, like, oh,

661
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 3: you can't come here to where I hunt and kill one,

662
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 3: they're not there, or the rifle hunters, Like I've talked

663
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 3: about this a few times, but I will never forget

664
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 3: when I first started hunting Nebraska public land, for white tails,

665
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 3: which I think the first year I hunted there was

666
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 3: like maybe twenty twelve or something, twenty eleven, and I

667
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 3: remember like reading a forum, bow site or archery talk

668
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 3: or something, and so many people were like, there are

669
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 3: no big bucks on public land in Nebraska because our

670
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 3: gun season happens during the rut and we have over

671
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 3: the counter non resident tags and just like on down

672
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 3: the line, and I was just like, I have very

673
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 3: rarely encountered better hunting anywhere than I'm seeing on your

674
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 3: public land that you guys believe isn't good enough. And

675
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 3: you see that all over and like I do it,

676
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 3: like we all have our you know, we're all biased

677
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 3: towards something, but that mindset of like it's just not possible,

678
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 3: like there's no big bucks here or they're all killed

679
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 3: off or they all get pushed off of this land

680
00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 3: or whatever. I'm like, almost without question everything that we

681
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 3: say in hunting where we're like you can't do that,

682
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 3: somebody does it, you know what I mean. Like, and

683
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 3: you may can go to Kentucky and the land between

684
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 3: the Lakes to kill a big one if you live there,

685
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 3: you have that opportunity too. So what's going on.

686
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right. One last thing on this failure side

687
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 2: of things. Can you point back to you Can you

688
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 2: remember and tell us about any particular failure in your

689
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 2: past that you could that you might highlight, is like

690
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 2: a favorite failure or as the most impactful failure, Like

691
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 2: like when I say that, I mean a failure something

692
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 2: that happened, some mistake you made or way you screwed

693
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 2: up that all of a sudden changed things for you.

694
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 3: I mean, yep, the most painful one. And I think

695
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 3: I've talked about this on here a few times. Is

696
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 3: before I had killed my first big deer, I'd killed,

697
00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 3: you know, a year and a half, two and a half,

698
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 3: but I'd never killed like a one forty, you know,

699
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 3: like a freaking good buck. I missed two the same

700
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 3: night on like Halloween or somewhere around there in Minnesota,

701
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 3: just total meltdown buck fever thing. And that that moment,

702
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 3: like what I felt there after like twelve years of

703
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 3: trying and then having two just perfect opportunities served up

704
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 3: to me within ten minutes of each other, and me

705
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 3: just totally shitting the bed on both of them. I

706
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 3: was like that moment changed how I looked at a

707
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 3: lot of stuff because it it took. It took everything

708
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 3: that was like an external thing that I could use, right,

709
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 3: like the other people who hunted there, or the fact

710
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 3: that I'm in Minnesota and we don't get a lot

711
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 3: of rut time, and all of these excuses I could

712
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 3: have used, and I went, man, none of that mattered there.

713
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 3: That was all on me, and I screwed it all up.

714
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 3: And I remember, I mean when I first started hunting

715
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 3: when I was twelve in Minnesota, and I was like,

716
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 3: I just want to kill a deer so bad. I

717
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 3: remember one of the times we used to hunt down

718
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 3: in the bluffs along the river and it was, you know,

719
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 3: beautiful country and whatever. And I went into this stand

720
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 3: in October in the morning, heard a deer coming in.

721
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 3: I had a little fawn, little dough fawn come into

722
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 3: like eight yards, and I was like, you know, at

723
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 3: that time, for me to see a deer, it was

724
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 3: like a big deal. And that little girl came in

725
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 3: posed up, and I was like, I'm gonna kill this

726
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 3: fawn and it's gonna be so awesome. And I shot

727
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 3: at that little fawn three times at like eight to

728
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 3: twelve yards, missed her every time, and it was kind

729
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,399
Speaker 3: of another one of those moments where it was like, oh,

730
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 3: I thought all that needed to happen was for that

731
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 3: deer to get there, and then I'd have that tag filled,

732
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 3: you know, And then you learn where you're like, nope,

733
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 3: it's there's still so many points of failure that can

734
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 3: happen for me, and you start to realize like, Okay,

735
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 3: what can I do to mitigate most of this because

736
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,399
Speaker 3: there's gonna be wild card factors no matter what. And

737
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 3: so those two times, and I've had I've had a

738
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 3: lot of others, right, Like I've I've had a I

739
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 3: had a moment turkey hunting one time. This is going

740
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:16,879
Speaker 3: to sound really stupid, but I'm a pretty patient guy,

741
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 3: especially like bow hunting turkeys. Like I can sit all

742
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 3: day and I believe the process. Right, it's kind of

743
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:26,280
Speaker 3: like rud hunting, Like it's not that much fun. Sometimes

744
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 3: it's dark to dark, but you know it works, like

745
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 3: we all know it works, so if you have the

746
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 3: discipline to do it well. I had gone out. I

747
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 3: was bow hunting turkeys in southeastern Minnesota, and I sat

748
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 3: for like, you know till it was like five in

749
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 3: the afternoon, from from sunrise on to that point, and

750
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 3: I was gonna sit all day, and all the birds

751
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,919
Speaker 3: I was hunting flew down right away and just left

752
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 3: the whole farm. I watch them go so far away,

753
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 3: but you know, like you could call in a rando,

754
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 3: there could be a two year old whatever. And I

755
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 3: sat there and I like talked myself in to going

756
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 3: to get to my truck to get a full strutter,

757
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 3: because I'm like, I just want like I just wanted

758
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 3: to get out of the stupid blind, Like I didn't

759
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 3: really want the full strutter. I didn't care. I needed

760
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 3: an excuse to get out. And I got out of

761
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 3: that blind after sitting there for like twelve hours, and

762
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 3: I looked up the fence row and there was a

763
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 3: great big tom like fifty yards away walking in and

764
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 3: he blew off. And I just remember thinking, like, you

765
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 3: absolutely knew better, You absolutely knew better, but you talked

766
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 3: yourself into this because you're a weak lit'tle be and

767
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 3: you just like like those moments when when something like

768
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 3: that happens where it's like totally in my purview and

769
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 3: I did it to myself. That drives me crazy. Like

770
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 3: you know how it is if you're sitting there and

771
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 3: somebody drives a four wheeler in a last light or

772
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 3: something like that pisss you off, but it's like that's

773
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 3: like a part of the game and you can't do it.

774
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 3: You can't control that god from the machine man, like,

775
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 3: you can't do anything about it. But when it's you

776
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 3: and you know you're talking yourself into the dumb decision

777
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 3: drives me nuts. And so I've had one hundred million

778
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 3: moments like that that just forced me to like not

779
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 3: want to feel that way again.

780
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 2: So this is kind of adjacent to that. But this

781
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 2: does not have to be failure related. This can be

782
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 2: something different. But I'm curious, what single change or choice

783
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 2: have you made over the course of your deer hunting

784
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 2: life that had the most meaningful impact on your success today.

785
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 2: So is there some fork in the road you can

786
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 2: point to where, like, man, once I made that changer,

787
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 2: once I'm turned onto that path, it changed everything for you.

788
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 2: Like what was that light switch moment?

789
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 3: It was when I probably about it was probably like

790
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 3: my twenty fourteen season, So I really started going after

791
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,439
Speaker 3: I mean, I grew up hunting public land a little bit,

792
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 3: never did very good out there. But when I in

793
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 3: twenty ten, when I decided I'm like, I'm gonna try

794
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 3: hard to kill some big ones on public land. You know,

795
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 3: I had some success, killed some deer, but I had

796
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 3: a I think it was twenty fourteen. I had like

797
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 3: a banger year where it was like everywhere I went,

798
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 3: like big ones were hitting the dirt and big meal deer.

799
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 3: I killed bear, Like just a good year. And that

800
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 3: the variety of situations I was in or that I

801
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 3: put myself in in the in that year and it

802
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 3: kind of leading up to it just led me to realize,

803
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,359
Speaker 3: you've been looking for the wrong stuff out here, like

804
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 3: you've been You've been looking for where like what what

805
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 3: decoy can I buy? Or you know, if I set

806
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 3: up here, like what kind of sentense should I put out?

807
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 3: Or like I was looking for thing that was outside

808
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 3: the process to fill in a gap. But when you

809
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 3: start to go travel to new places and you're like,

810
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:12,240
Speaker 3: I have a limited amount of time. That stuff doesn't work,

811
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,240
Speaker 3: Like I mean I shouldn't say that, Like that stuff

812
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 3: can work, but it is not going to carry you through.

813
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 3: Like that is not how you fill a tag. It

814
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 3: is just getting out there and scouting and always putting

815
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 3: yourself in Like what you think is the best position

816
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 3: and managing managing like your impact and your time, like

817
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 3: knowing I have the best spot I found here, here's

818
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 3: my my a spot, I have BCD whatever I want

819
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 3: to hunt a right now, Like I want to go

820
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 3: in there, but looking at the forecast and going I

821
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 3: realistically wouldn't be able to hunt there if I was

822
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 3: being smart until the second to last day, I'm going

823
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 3: to be here and still knowing that walking away from

824
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 3: that and going to be and sitting there, going to

825
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,720
Speaker 3: see sitting there and watching this whole thing unfold. That's

826
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 3: probably like learning to just like trust that process and

827
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 3: like embrace that reality instead of trying to like plug

828
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 3: a hole somewhere in there with something I can buy

829
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 3: or some some tactic that somebody else uses. Just just

830
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 3: understanding for myself what it takes was a huge Like

831
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 3: it changed the arc of all of my own I'm

832
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 3: talking like pheasants, whitetails on private land, elk whatever. It

833
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 3: changed everything when I realized, like most of what this

834
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,720
Speaker 3: is is just discipline and work. And I know people

835
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 3: don't want to hear that, but it's it's so true

836
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 3: to the process.

837
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:44,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, So that was a decade ish ago or more.

838
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 2: What about the last few years, last two three years,

839
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 2: What new belief or habit or behavior has made the

840
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 2: biggest difference for you recently.

841
00:44:56,640 --> 00:45:00,879
Speaker 3: Leaning into the fun So i' on you, man, I mean,

842
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 3: and I kind of credit taking my kids out for

843
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 3: helping me realize this better. But I'm to the point

844
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 3: now where the environment that I'm going to be in

845
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 3: appeals to me more than the potential for big bucks,

846
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 3: the potential to not see anybody. I want. I want

847
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 3: to be in the big woods. I want to be

848
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 3: in those cattail slews. There's like just places I want

849
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 3: to hunt, and I'll take the hunt that those places

850
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 3: give me. And I've realized that as long as I

851
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 3: make the effort to put myself in those environments that

852
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 3: it just like speak to me for whatever reason, you know,

853
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 3: sometimes like you hate them in September, but you love

854
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 3: them in December or whatever. Like there's a lot of

855
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 3: variables there. But if I feel like my schedule that

856
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 3: I've laid out is like, man, I'm so excited to

857
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 3: be there because I love it, you know, like western

858
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 3: North Dakota, I'm so excited to be there because that

859
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 3: I just love that environment. The killing a big one

860
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 3: is sort of secondary, like filling that tag sort of

861
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 3: feel secondary. But I also end up filling a lot

862
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 3: of tags when I'm in places I like, and so

863
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 3: it kind of just puts me if I hunt, If

864
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 3: I plan for that kind of hunt where I'm like,

865
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 3: I know, I'll love being there, even if even if

866
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 3: the deer just kicked my ass or it's covered in people,

867
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 3: it seems to work out pretty well, and I just

868
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 3: enjoy it more. And so you kind of plus you

869
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 3: can stomach the bad stuff coming in, you know, the weather,

870
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 3: the other people.

871
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 2: That's key.

872
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,439
Speaker 3: It just changes everything instead of just trying to put

873
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 3: yourself where you're like, this is my best shot to

874
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 3: kill a big one, because then you've you know, it's

875
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 3: kind of like the one buck thing, like you've set

876
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 3: yourself up where that's sort of the metric by which

877
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 3: everything is measured, and it's not a good metric anymore.

878
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 2: And if you lean into the fun, I think it

879
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 2: gives you. And this is kind of a different way

880
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 2: of saying what you just said, but if you lean

881
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 2: into the fun, that is like a renewable resource for

882
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 2: providing fuel that then goes back into your tank, giving

883
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 2: you the energy to do the things you need to

884
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 2: do to put in the work you know you need

885
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 2: to have, to give you the mental fortitude to push

886
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 2: through the adversity. All of that becomes easier when you

887
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 2: have that fun of the experience fueling it, versus being

888
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 2: out there obsessing over the one deer, or sessing over

889
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 2: shooting a one to seventy, or obsessing what all the

890
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 2: bad things are happening, and then just being miserable. If

891
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 2: you're miserable out there, it's very hard to be able

892
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 2: to suffer through the inevitable challenges.

893
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 3: I mean, just you're so right, dude. And there's like

894
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 3: one of their point I want to make on this.

895
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 3: People think they know what's going to make them happy.

896
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 3: So I'll give you two quick examples here from the

897
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 3: fishing world. Back way back in the day when I

898
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,720
Speaker 3: was fishing a lot. There's a guy I fished against

899
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 3: in a lot of tournaments. I was talking to him

900
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 3: one time and we were down on the Mississippi River

901
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 3: fish in this tournament, and I said, I told him,

902
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 3: I'm like, next week, a buddy and I are going

903
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 3: up to the Lhamadu Chain and Alexandria just to fish

904
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 3: for fun. And he looked at me and he's like,

905
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 3: don't you like catching big bass? And I was like, well, yeah,

906
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 3: but I'm like I love the clear water up there,

907
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 3: and I love the fact that I can sit fish

908
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 3: all summer long and you just you don't catch You're

909
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 3: not gonna catch six pounders there, but you're gonna catch

910
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 3: a ton of fish, and it's it's just fun. And

911
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 3: I remember thinking like, man, it's weird to me to

912
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 3: look at it that like his way, just as much

913
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 3: as he was like it's weird for him to be

914
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 3: doing this, and like to kind of illustrate that point

915
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 3: a little further, like on the lake that we go

916
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 3: to a lot, it's dominated by walleye fishermen. We have

917
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 3: big smallies, we have nice large mouth but we have

918
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 3: a lot of meat fishermen up there, and I know

919
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 3: a lot of them very well. My wife's related to

920
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 3: half of them. I'll talk to those guys and they'll

921
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 3: be like, yeah, I caught a twenty inch smally out

922
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 3: on the rock bar today. It fought like crazy, jumping

923
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 3: like crazy. It was so fun. And then they go

924
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 3: right back to fishing for fourteen inch walleyes. On the bottom,

925
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 3: and it's like, even though they're sitting there, going I

926
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 3: enjoyed this more than the thing that I went out

927
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 3: there to do. I'm going to do this thing that

928
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 3: I go out there to do. And I think we

929
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 3: do that with deer hunting a lot where we're like,

930
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go sit the food plot because that's what

931
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 3: you're supposed to do, Like you're not going to go

932
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 3: still hunt the public land down the road. But the

933
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 3: more that you kind of break out of that mold

934
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 3: and just figure out what you like, the better off

935
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 3: you are.

936
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, what is your single most important habit, whether in

937
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,879
Speaker 2: daily life or more specifically within your deer hunting world.

938
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 2: I'm guessing that they might be related.

939
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: Uh.

940
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,399
Speaker 3: I'm just and this is going to make me sound

941
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 3: like a prick. I'm just pretty disciplined dude. Like I've

942
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 3: just especially when I quit drinking. I mean I always

943
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 3: kind of was with hunting, but when I quit drinking,

944
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 3: I started working out and just like looking at my

945
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 3: life in a different way, just like holding myself accountable

946
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 3: for things like if I if i'm you know today,

947
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 3: I'm gonna run six miles, I'm going to go do that,

948
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 3: Like I'm not gonna let myself even though it's going

949
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 3: to be so hot, I just can't let myself not

950
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 3: do that stuff and it and you know this is

951
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 3: I'm I'm starting to really become like a momentum guy.

952
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 3: Like I think about momentum a lot in life. And

953
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 3: so you think about you've had some bad streaks out

954
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 3: there where you know, you have a couple of bad

955
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 3: shots in a row or whatever, and you know how

956
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 3: that feeds, like the negative thing feeds the negative thing,

957
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,879
Speaker 3: and it gets worse and worse. It sort of gets exponential.

958
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 3: And it's it's easy to fall into that when things

959
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 3: go wrong and you put a lot of pressure on yourself.

960
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 3: But the opposite is true too, like when you have

961
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 3: good things going and you're like holding yourself accountable and

962
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 3: your your momentum is going in the right way. Like

963
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 3: just think about if your if your marriage is going

964
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 3: really good or your job's going really good, like that's

965
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 3: going to feed your marriage or vice versa. Or you know,

966
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 3: like you're having a good time with your kids, you

967
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 3: know they're crushing it at school or whatever. That just

968
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 3: feeds a better life. And so the more you lean

969
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 3: into that momentum and you're like, I know, even though

970
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 3: I don't want to run at all because it's one

971
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 3: hundred percent humidity and it sucks outside, I know what

972
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 3: it's going to do for me, and I'm going to

973
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 3: hold myself accountable. I'm just gonna go do that. Like

974
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:20,760
Speaker 3: white tail hunting, dude, I'm going over to Wisconsin this weekend.

975
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 3: It's going to be miserable in the woods, but I

976
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 3: just have a list of stuff that I have to

977
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 3: do because I know it's gonna it's I know it's

978
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 3: gonna make my hunting more fun and enjoyable, both with

979
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 3: my daughters and for myself. I'd rather go fishing, you know,

980
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 3: Like there are a lot of things I would rather do,

981
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,240
Speaker 3: honestly than go fight the mosquitoes and the deer flies

982
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 3: and the heat. But I just know that it'll be

983
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 3: worth it, and I think that that's like that's been

984
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 3: the difference maker for me, probably more than anything.

985
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 2: So being disciplined. You mentioned like, oh, You've always kind

986
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 2: of been that way, But is there any way that

987
00:51:55,760 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 2: you can build that muscle or help make yourself become

988
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 2: more disciplined or grow in that aspect. I say this

989
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 2: because I was thinking about that as you were saying that,

990
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 2: and a thought came to my mind that was, like, Man,

991
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,240
Speaker 2: one of the best things for me that has helped

992
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 2: me maintain a disciplined I don't know, just to build

993
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 2: that muscle for me has been to write things down.

994
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 2: So when I write something down, I stick to it.

995
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 2: When I write down a goal for the day, or

996
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 2: when I write down the schedule for the day and say,

997
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 2: I'm going to do my run today at this time,

998
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 2: or I'm going to do this many miles, or I'm

999
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 2: going to make sure I check off that thing off

1000
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 2: the list. If these things are just like in my head,

1001
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, I want to do that, it seems

1002
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 2: very easy for me to not do it, or to

1003
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 2: have some excuse or to have something come up. But

1004
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, when I write it down, like Man,

1005
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 2: this Saturday, I'm doing this project in this project that

1006
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 2: works for me. Like that's been a tool for me

1007
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 2: that has helped me kind of build like a structure

1008
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 2: around my life that keeps me on track and doing

1009
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 2: the things that I know I need to do. Is

1010
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 2: there anything like that for you or any other idea?

1011
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 3: I mean, I write a lot of stuff down too,

1012
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 3: just to hold myself accountable. I mean, it's a dumb,

1013
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 3: little psychological trick, but it works. But I also think

1014
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 3: so like I have definitely not been disciplined my whole life,

1015
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 3: Like definitely not. But with hunting, I always went like

1016
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 3: I was always I loved it so much. I was

1017
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 3: always going to go regardless, so that there's like an

1018
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 3: appearance of discipline there, but really it was just fun

1019
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:33,760
Speaker 3: for me. Mostly what changed is when I figured out, like, Okay,

1020
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 3: to actually do this to a little bit higher level,

1021
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 3: I have to do the not fun parts a lot more.

1022
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 3: You know, like you can't just go glass all summer

1023
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 3: long because that's a blast, Like you have to go

1024
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 3: hang those stands eventually, or like you got to put

1025
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 3: something else in there, right, And I think we look

1026
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 3: at hunting especially, you know, like the people listening is

1027
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 3: look at hunting and it's like that's like their thing

1028
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 3: to go do. That's fun, right, Like that's like their passion,

1029
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 3: their hobby. It's like it's outside of work, it's outside

1030
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 3: of a lot of the bs of life. But that

1031
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 3: doesn't mean it doesn't require that discipline. So when you

1032
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 3: look at life and go I have no problem going hunting,

1033
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 3: but you know, I don't hang stands or I didn't

1034
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 3: cut the shooting lanes that well, if you have something

1035
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 3: outside of hunting that's keeping you disciplined, it's no secret.

1036
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 3: I know people are sick of hearing this, but like

1037
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 3: it's no secret when you look at the Animes and

1038
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 3: the Zach Farrenbaus of the world, they're all in really

1039
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 3: good shape, you know what I mean, Like they're always

1040
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 3: they're working on themselves just as much as the hunting.

1041
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 3: They're taking something that's, to me, is way harder to

1042
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 3: be disciplined for, like going to the gym five days

1043
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 3: a week, or you know, rocking around the block or

1044
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 3: however you have to do it. That sucks way more

1045
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 3: than going in the woods hanging a stand with your buddy, right,

1046
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 3: But it feeds that. And so we look at hunting

1047
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 3: as it's just sort of like purely this enjoyable activity,

1048
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 3: but it's it's a lot of type two fun out there, man,

1049
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 3: Like you're really going I have I have to do

1050
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 3: the not real fun parts of this to have a

1051
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 3: lot of fun later or to have a lot of

1052
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:16,839
Speaker 3: fun whenever. And that getting into that group's hard.

1053
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it depends on what you want to get

1054
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 2: out of it. Right, If if all you want to

1055
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 2: get out of der Ani is just to sit out

1056
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,240
Speaker 2: there a couple saturdays a year and just enjoy nature,

1057
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 2: then fine, that doesn't require this. But if you want to,

1058
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 2: you know, if if if your definition of success is

1059
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 2: you know, killing stuff like Zach Randy, then you have

1060
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 2: to follow a similar protocol as far as the inputs in,

1061
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 2: you know, garbage in, garbage out, and vice versa. So right,

1062
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 2: So one last question on habit's, Tony, what is an

1063
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:52,320
Speaker 2: unusual habit or practice that you know that you stick

1064
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 2: to that's important to you, but the other people find absurd, crazy, stupid?

1065
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 2: What's something like that.

1066
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 3: An unusual habit I have that's related to white toil hunting.

1067
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 2: If you can't think of one's white tail related, I'll

1068
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 2: I'm sure I could learn something interesting about you that's

1069
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 2: not related.

1070
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 3: I I don't maybe this isn't unusual. I don't know.

1071
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:24,800
Speaker 3: I think I think you have to look at life.

1072
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 3: I don't think you have to look at life. I

1073
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 3: think I look at life like I have to earn

1074
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 3: little rewards all the time, like I I so if

1075
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 3: I'm writing a lot, or we're doing a lot of

1076
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 3: editing with some of these shows that are coming out.

1077
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 3: You know how that is, Like you you're on the

1078
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 3: third watch of you know, third version of some you

1079
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:49,760
Speaker 3: know film you made or whatever, where it's like mundane,

1080
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 3: tedious shit, and you're like, I, but I have to

1081
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,359
Speaker 3: I have to read every word. I have to look,

1082
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 3: I have to listen, I have to watch and I

1083
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 3: I look at that kind of stuff and I go,

1084
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,839
Speaker 3: I have to do that. But a reward for that

1085
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 3: is like I'm gonna sit down and play guitar for

1086
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 3: twenty minutes and change my mindset or you know, like

1087
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 3: I love eating junk food. I hate that, I love it,

1088
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 3: but I love it. And so I look at like

1089
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:20,919
Speaker 3: if I don't if I don't work out in a day,

1090
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't get that reward whatever whatever it is, right,

1091
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 3: like a bowl ice cream with the kids or something

1092
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 3: like that. And I know, I mean, this isn't probably

1093
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:31,439
Speaker 3: like super crazy or quirky, but I I really try

1094
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 3: to view my life that way as like I got

1095
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 3: to clean the garage or organize this or just like this,

1096
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 3: this like a little bit of clutter that's been driving

1097
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 3: me freaking crazy. I'm gonna just take care of it

1098
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 3: so I can go fish with my kids, or I

1099
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 3: can go walk out and hang a trail camera or

1100
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 3: something like, I can earn something else. And I feel

1101
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 3: like that's sort of how I look at white tail hunting.

1102
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 3: I know, Like I'll give you an example last year

1103
00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 3: when I went to Oklahoma with Steve. I scouted my

1104
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 3: ass off down there for a couple days and it

1105
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 3: was just pretty rough stuff. But you know how that is,

1106
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 3: Like you check off those spots and you're looking at

1107
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 3: on X and you're like, that place suck, this pond

1108
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 3: was dry. You just have to believe that the reward

1109
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 3: is gonna come when you walk into one of those

1110
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 3: places that's just hums and you're like there's tracks everywhere,

1111
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 3: there's a fresh rub there, there's per simons on the

1112
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 3: ground or something, and then everything else becomes secondary because

1113
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 3: you earned it, you know. And it's like it's hard

1114
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 3: to do because once in a while like that, it's

1115
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,919
Speaker 3: all stick, no carrot, you know, like there's no reward there.

1116
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 3: But when you view life like that, it tends to

1117
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 3: just sort of like find this balance and work out.

1118
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 2: So everyone talks about hard work. It's incredibly cliche, like

1119
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 2: everyone says, oh, you gotta work hard, but what does

1120
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 2: that actually look like for you? Like, how would you

1121
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 2: define hard work in the context of deer hunting? What

1122
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 2: does that actually mean for someone to work hard? To

1123
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 2: do hard work in this context?

1124
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure it varies for everyone, but when

1125
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 3: you're kind of used to, like the public land thing specifically,

1126
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 3: that has made my private land setups seem way way

1127
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 3: more tolerable, you know, Like before I started doing that,

1128
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 3: we'd have a day me and my buddies or me

1129
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 3: and my dad where it's like you're going to go

1130
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 3: hang four or five stands and it's August and it's brutal, right,

1131
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 3: and that at that time feels like a ton of work.

1132
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 3: But then when you go out and do some of

1133
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 3: these other hunts where you have to do that in

1134
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 3: four days but also go find them in varying conditions

1135
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 3: and after driving ten hours and sleeping in a tent,

1136
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 3: it changes what you look at as hard work, you know.

1137
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 3: So it's like I think it's like highly individual, but

1138
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 3: you kind of just have to look at the stuff

1139
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 3: that you sort of dread and go, Okay, how can

1140
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 3: I how do I make this more manage. Well, for me,

1141
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 3: if I if I'm in my truck and I'm halfway

1142
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 3: down to Oklahoma and I'm looking at the forecast, I'm like, Okay,

1143
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 3: it's going to be eighty five degrees tomorrow by eleven

1144
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:12,479
Speaker 3: o'clock in the morning. I know that's going to suck.

1145
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 3: So how do I make it easier on myself? Well,

1146
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 3: I got a cooler full of body armor, a gatorader

1147
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 3: or whatever, ice cold, and I have a plan, and

1148
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 3: I go, I'm going to walk into this spot first,

1149
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 3: because I think this pond has got a lot of potential.

1150
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 3: I'm going to walk in here. And then you start

1151
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 3: to go it's not I'm not giving myself a chance

1152
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 3: to sit there and think about how much this sucks,

1153
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,959
Speaker 3: because I just checked this off the list and here's

1154
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 3: the next one, and one of them in this process

1155
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 3: is going to work for me, and so the hard

1156
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 3: work doesn't feel quite the same. And I think I

1157
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 3: think a lot of white tail hunters, you know, they

1158
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 3: hear this, like you mentioned this. They hear about like, oh, well,

1159
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 3: it's you know, everybody works hard, and he may's out

1160
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 3: there working hard, but they don't understand what that means

1161
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 3: for him versus themselves. Like for a lot of people,

1162
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 3: it might be get one more stand up this year,

1163
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 3: or get one mobile setup that you can use to

1164
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 3: fill in the gaps when you're kind of season long

1165
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 3: stuff starts to get burned out. It doesn't have to

1166
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 3: be like a super hardcore burn yourself right to the

1167
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:17,439
Speaker 3: ground thing. It can just be like you yourself going,

1168
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 3: I'm here and I just want to be a little

1169
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 3: bit higher, like I want to do like a little

1170
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:22,959
Speaker 3: bit more.

1171
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 2: It goes back to the whole race topic we were

1172
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 2: talking about earlier. How like the cool thing about like

1173
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 2: these trail races that I've been doing is they're not

1174
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 2: necessarily competing against each other. Everyone out there is not

1175
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 2: trying to beat the other person. They're more so just

1176
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 2: trying to beat themselves. Be better than I was yesterday,

1177
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 2: be better than I was last time. And there's there's

1178
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 2: something to be said about taking that approach to deer

1179
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 2: hunting as well. Right, not being overly worried about Zach

1180
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 2: or Andy or Tony, but just knowing, hey, man, this

1181
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 2: is what hard work was for me last year, and

1182
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 2: these are the outcomes. How can I take that up

1183
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 2: to the next step? This coming year, how can I

1184
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 2: work a little bit, how can I do the right

1185
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 2: thing a little bit more? And that's a useful way,

1186
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 2: I think.

1187
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 3: I think sort of a secondary component of that is

1188
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 3: I think people are too hard on themselves, Like I don't.

1189
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 3: I don't think people give themselves enough grace to just

1190
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 3: make mistakes, you know. I think I think we look

1191
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 3: at it and go, I can't go in that way

1192
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 3: because they're gonna all know I'm there, or I can't

1193
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 3: try this style or do this thing I kind of

1194
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 3: want to do just for the hell of it, because

1195
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 3: I don't think it's gonna work, or you don't have

1196
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 3: the confidence in it, man, just giving yourself the chance

1197
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 3: to go make some mistakes and being like, well I

1198
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:37,439
Speaker 3: tried it, Like I tried still hunting through my best

1199
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 3: betting area and I blew a bunch of deer out

1200
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 3: and that kind of sucks. Or I had a blast

1201
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 3: doing it. But we look at it and go, we're

1202
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 3: too afraid because that big buck might get pushed out

1203
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 3: to the neighbors or something that I'm I'm not gonna try.

1204
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna go sit on the ground on that

1205
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 3: point that he likes to walk out in I'm gonna

1206
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 3: wait for him to come by here because I have

1207
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 3: a tree stand. I get set up, I look at

1208
01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 3: that stuff, and I go, if you if you're too

1209
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 3: scared to do that on your home ground, go hunt

1210
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 3: somewhere else and try some stuff. Because when you start

1211
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 3: doing those kind of things like that, you're forced to

1212
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 3: in certain situations, like if you want to be successful

1213
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 3: over the road, you have to do things that you

1214
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 3: just wouldn't do at home, you know what I mean.

1215
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 3: Like you it's just a different approach. And you start

1216
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 3: doing that and having some good encounters, and you go, Okay,

1217
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 3: I have a little bit more. I have another tool

1218
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 3: in my tool bag, and yeah, you might screw it

1219
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 3: up learning that process, but once you have that, you

1220
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 3: always have that option, you know. And it's it's not

1221
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 3: like you have to walk out there and always sit

1222
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 3: a tree stand, like you can go build a natural

1223
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 3: groundblone like try it out, or you know, like sneak

1224
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 3: into a spot that you're like, I'm probably gonna get busted.

1225
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 3: Like remember when you and I were filming down in

1226
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 3: Iowa a couple of years ago, when we were down

1227
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 3: in the bottom of that ravine and the wind was

1228
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 3: blown right over the top, and you and I just

1229
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 3: like we looked at it totally different because you were

1230
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 3: like this, it's going to swirl like crazy, and was

1231
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 3: swirling like crazy in there. But in my head, I'm like,

1232
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 3: I'd try it just because what the hell Like, sometimes

1233
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 3: you try that stuff and you kill a big one,

1234
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 3: you know. But it's I think a lot of people

1235
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 3: lock themselves in the mindset that there's like so much

1236
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 3: you can't do because you might bump a buck or

1237
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 3: you might like screw up your chances, and I think

1238
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 3: we lean way too far in that direction sometimes, and

1239
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 3: you just have to just allow yourself the chance to

1240
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 3: just have a little fun and try some stuff and

1241
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 3: understand that you'll probably screw up, but it's okay. Who

1242
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 3: cares that buck's not moving out?

1243
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah. Or you might do the safe thing like

1244
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 2: I did, which is hunt on the ridges where the

1245
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 2: wind shouldn't swirl, and then one hundred and fifty inch

1246
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 2: eight pointer does come into shooting range, and then you

1247
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 2: still screw it up and miss them.

1248
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:49,439
Speaker 3: So but there's a lot of ways that can break

1249
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 3: bad out there, buddy.

1250
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 2: Man.

1251
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 1: That's the truth.

1252
01:04:53,480 --> 01:05:05,040
Speaker 2: Learned that the hard way time. Too many times so

1253
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 2: along those lines then kind of the the flip side,

1254
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:12,960
Speaker 2: or not the flip side, but the cousin of hard

1255
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 2: work when it comes to intangibles within the deer hunting world,

1256
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 2: I think is mental toughness. It's another thing that it's

1257
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 2: it's a word of cliche that gets thrown around a lot,

1258
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 2: But I'd be interested in your perspective on that. So

1259
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 2: how would you define mental toughness? How does that factor

1260
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 2: into your deer hunting success? What does that look like?

1261
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 3: I think I don't think there's I don't know how

1262
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 3: to describe this. I wouldn't say like, I wouldn't classify,

1263
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:50,240
Speaker 3: classify myself as like super mentally tough, like I'm a

1264
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 3: head case dude, like I can I can go a

1265
01:05:53,440 --> 01:06:00,200
Speaker 3: lot of ways that aren't good real fast. I just think, huh.

1266
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 2: I said, I'll vow for this. I've heard I've heard

1267
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 2: you talk at long stretches.

1268
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm freaking head case man. Uh. I don't I

1269
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 3: think that being mentally tough is a concept like being happy.

1270
01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 3: I think it's a moving target. I think you might

1271
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 3: be super mentally tough with your job, but maybe not

1272
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:22,880
Speaker 3: with your kids when they're being shitheads and you're losing

1273
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:27,640
Speaker 3: your patience, you know, or some other situation. And so

1274
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 3: I think again and like happiness, right, like, well, if

1275
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:32,480
Speaker 3: I only had this amount of money or income, i'd

1276
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 3: be happy. Or if I was skinny and had us

1277
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 3: expect like I would, I would be happy. And it's like, no,

1278
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 3: you wouldn't. Like there's a reason all of these rock

1279
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 3: stars keep killing themselves, Like there's a reason that you see,

1280
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 3: you know, movie stars get caught banging the nanny, Like

1281
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 3: there's a reason people they're they're not happy. They're still

1282
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 3: looking for something, you know. So I think I think

1283
01:06:57,560 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 3: mental toughness is like is one of those things where

1284
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:04,960
Speaker 3: it's like, okay, are you happy with the decisions you're

1285
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 3: making overall? Like when this situation came to you, are

1286
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 3: you happy with how you handle it or not? And

1287
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 3: if it's like you can start to get to the

1288
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:15,720
Speaker 3: point where you're like that one doesn't bother me. My

1289
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 3: reaction there like or the way that we work through that,

1290
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 3: that feels pretty good, Like you're on the right path.

1291
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:24,080
Speaker 3: It's kind of like with the happiness thing. If you're

1292
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 3: like I am not happy with myself because I'm out

1293
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:28,919
Speaker 3: of shape and whatever, it's like you might hate going

1294
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 3: to do that first five k run, you'll be a

1295
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 3: happier person for a certain amount of time afterwards, and

1296
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 3: you will look and go there is a key to

1297
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 3: leveling up, like being a little better than I was

1298
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 3: before this. And so I don't know, I don't know

1299
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 3: how to describe it. I don't know how to address

1300
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 3: mental toughness. I guess Mark, Well, So.

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01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 2: It's interesting, like with something like a five k or

1302
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:57,920
Speaker 2: a race or run, there's a very clear way to

1303
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:02,000
Speaker 2: build those muscles figuratively and literally, right, like go exercise more,

1304
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 2: go train, go do the thing, and you'll get better

1305
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 2: at that. But when it comes to dealing with your

1306
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 2: mental muscle, your brain, the demons in your head, I

1307
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 2: think you're an interesting case study for this, Tony, because

1308
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 2: like you naturally, like you, your baselinees like I'm a

1309
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 2: head case. You worry, you overthink you, you know, have

1310
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:26,800
Speaker 2: those demons whatever, right, but you've you've found a way

1311
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 2: to harness that. You've found some kind of way to

1312
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:33,760
Speaker 2: either quiet those voices or reason with those voices, or

1313
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:39,120
Speaker 2: or temper that or redirect that energy. And that I

1314
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 2: think is encouraging for a lot of people because I

1315
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 2: think a lot of people just think they're stuck with

1316
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:47,280
Speaker 2: whatever's going on here and that can't change. But I

1317
01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 2: think you are an example. I think there's many other

1318
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:53,840
Speaker 2: examples of people that have been able to exercise that

1319
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 2: muscle or point that energy in a different direction. And

1320
01:08:58,360 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 2: I know you say you don't really know how you

1321
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 2: did it, but I gotta believe there's been something or

1322
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:07,320
Speaker 2: some things that have helped you deal with the mental

1323
01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 2: side of things. I mean, there's there's the constant second

1324
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 2: guessing that we have as decision makings and hunting. There's

1325
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 2: the dealing with adversity when we're out there. There's the

1326
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:18,000
Speaker 2: dealing with the man, this sucks moments or man I

1327
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 2: screw that up moments, or the oh i'm tired moments.

1328
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:27,760
Speaker 2: Can you point to any things that have changed or

1329
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 2: worked for you to help do that?

1330
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:36,200
Speaker 3: It's honestly, it's not living outside of yourself. It's not

1331
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 3: thinking about what other people are capable of or what

1332
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:41,360
Speaker 3: other people are doing. And I say that with like

1333
01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:44,760
Speaker 3: an asterisk, right, because I have some friends who are

1334
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 3: you know, like hardcore trail run Like I have buddies

1335
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:51,600
Speaker 3: who are like inspiring to me in different ways, like

1336
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 3: I have people in my life I look at and

1337
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:55,639
Speaker 3: I go, man, that dude's bad ass for this reason,

1338
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:58,920
Speaker 3: and that that like motivates me to try to be better.

1339
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 3: But when you look at you know how unhappy people

1340
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 3: seem to be lately, and you know a lot of

1341
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:07,640
Speaker 3: people struggle with anxiety and depression and a lot of

1342
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:14,599
Speaker 3: different stuff, addiction, whatever. Those are all your problem, right,

1343
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:16,760
Speaker 3: Like you can make them your wife's problem or your

1344
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 3: family's problem or whatever. But but the person who fixes

1345
01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:24,240
Speaker 3: those or who not necessarily even fixes them, but addresses

1346
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 3: them and tries to mitigate the negativity around them, that's

1347
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 3: just on you. So the more you like, and it

1348
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:34,519
Speaker 3: takes a while, especially for guys like you, got to

1349
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 3: grow up. You got to look past that ego a

1350
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 3: little bit and be like, man, this, there's nobody else

1351
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:42,280
Speaker 3: who's gonna fix this. You can go pay two hundred

1352
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:43,760
Speaker 3: bucks an hour and sit on the couch and spill

1353
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:46,400
Speaker 3: your life secrets and that helps, and it's great. You know,

1354
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 3: you can go get on some meds. Great, but really,

1355
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:50,760
Speaker 3: like you have to look at this and go, how

1356
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:54,160
Speaker 3: do how do I do this for myself? And so

1357
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:59,200
Speaker 3: you know you you mentioned this when you hear people.

1358
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 3: Let's just use Andy May for an example. You know,

1359
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 3: Andy comes up on here all the time, and he's

1360
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:06,720
Speaker 3: the best white tail hunter out there. Andy has not

1361
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 3: lived an easy life. I think people look at Andy

1362
01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 3: and they go, the dude just has it made. But

1363
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:15,560
Speaker 3: when you spend time with Andy and you get to

1364
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:17,479
Speaker 3: know him as a friend, you're like, man, And this

1365
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:21,360
Speaker 3: happens with so many people, Like outwardly, we see this

1366
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 3: scissor reel of just like everybody's life so bad ass,

1367
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:27,000
Speaker 3: and everybody makes so much money and that guy's got

1368
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:30,600
Speaker 3: a new boat and blah blah, his wife's hot whatever. Yeah,

1369
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 3: I guess right, most people are struggling, and there are

1370
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:40,600
Speaker 3: things outside of your like your agency that you know,

1371
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:42,600
Speaker 3: your boss or whatever like there there you might be

1372
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:45,640
Speaker 3: in situations that suck, right, Like, there are things that

1373
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:48,240
Speaker 3: there are people who can influence you in a horrible way,

1374
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 3: for sure, But a lot of what we deal with

1375
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:56,439
Speaker 3: there's only like it's just our responsibility. And so you

1376
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:58,240
Speaker 3: see this. You know, we talked about this earlier with

1377
01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:01,240
Speaker 3: the white tail thing, like it's not my fault that

1378
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:04,720
Speaker 3: the gun hunters kill all the the big bucks or

1379
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:08,599
Speaker 3: it's not my fault that the DNR has the gun

1380
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:11,200
Speaker 3: season open this time when I want to bowhunt the

1381
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:15,120
Speaker 3: rut or the neighboring farmer has an awesome food plot

1382
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 3: and he brings in all the deer and I don't

1383
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 3: have any left, and like, no, it's up to you

1384
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:23,800
Speaker 3: to figure it out, Like you can't change that shit,

1385
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:24,559
Speaker 3: you know.

1386
01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:29,479
Speaker 2: And that's been like the very maybe one of the

1387
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 2: very most, if not the very most important realizations for me.

1388
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:37,160
Speaker 2: And this is not a new realization. This is like

1389
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:39,360
Speaker 2: for thousands of years people have been talking about this,

1390
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:44,160
Speaker 2: but this stoic principle, like one of the core things

1391
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:46,559
Speaker 2: in life is to learn how to identify what's in

1392
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:50,240
Speaker 2: your control and what's not, and then be able to

1393
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:52,799
Speaker 2: own those things that are within your control and focus

1394
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:56,320
Speaker 2: your energy and effort there while releasing and accepting those

1395
01:12:56,360 --> 01:13:00,000
Speaker 2: things that are not. Because any energy diverted to bitch

1396
01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:03,600
Speaker 2: about being a victim, to complaining about worrying about what

1397
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:06,639
Speaker 2: other people control is energy taken away from the things

1398
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:11,040
Speaker 2: that you actually can influence. And that realization and being

1399
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:15,160
Speaker 2: able to separate those two things and clear yourself of

1400
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 2: that stuff that's out of your reach and out of

1401
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:23,080
Speaker 2: your control is freeing. It is empowering and it is

1402
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:26,840
Speaker 2: one of the best things I've ever incorporated into my life.

1403
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:28,719
Speaker 2: And I think it's a huge part of mental toughness

1404
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 2: is just learn, Like when you're out there on November

1405
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:33,680
Speaker 2: tenth and even hunting for eleven straight days and it

1406
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:37,160
Speaker 2: sucked and everything's going wrong, and you can sit there

1407
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 2: and point to all the reasons why this sucks or

1408
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:41,240
Speaker 2: all the things that have gone wrong. But if you

1409
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:45,839
Speaker 2: can just separate these says, Okay, man, I can't control

1410
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:47,800
Speaker 2: what the deer do. I can't control what the neighbor did.

1411
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 2: I can't control the weather. So why am I sitting

1412
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:53,519
Speaker 2: here ruminating on those things? Why am I sitting here

1413
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 2: worrying about things? Why am I sitting here, you know,

1414
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:59,280
Speaker 2: crying myself to sleep because of these things? No, just

1415
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:01,920
Speaker 2: think about what can I do? What can I do

1416
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:04,720
Speaker 2: to change the situation or to embrace the situation, or

1417
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:06,400
Speaker 2: how can I make this more fun? How can I

1418
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 2: make this different? And that is.

1419
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:13,880
Speaker 3: That can change everything. Well, and you know what's a

1420
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:16,920
Speaker 3: great example of that that will probably tick some people

1421
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:22,320
Speaker 3: off in the hunting space is like the wolf situation,

1422
01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 3: Like I hear, you know, we recently started getting way

1423
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 3: more trail camera pictures of wolves than I ever have

1424
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:32,400
Speaker 3: in the past where I hunt, and one of my

1425
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 3: buddies is kind of twisted up over it, like, oh

1426
01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:36,800
Speaker 3: my god, they're going to kill all the deer. You know,

1427
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 3: you've heard this, We've heard this, and wolves, without question

1428
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:44,800
Speaker 3: have an impact on deer, no question. But in this

1429
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 3: particular situation, my buddy's like, he wants to hunt his

1430
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:52,120
Speaker 3: land right there, and this is a place with tons

1431
01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:55,200
Speaker 3: of public land, and there's kind of like different pockets

1432
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 3: where you see a lot of deer in some places

1433
01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:59,720
Speaker 3: where you don't see very many. And I'm like, you know,

1434
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:03,840
Speaker 3: it sucks that we have more wolves now, but we're

1435
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:07,720
Speaker 3: also in a beautiful place where we have tens of

1436
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:10,519
Speaker 3: thousands of acres to hunt. And you go over there,

1437
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:12,679
Speaker 3: and let's say you're going trout fishing, like we brook

1438
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:16,120
Speaker 3: troutfish over there. A lot totally unrelated to deer hunting, really,

1439
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:18,160
Speaker 3: other than these streams run through a lot of the

1440
01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:20,880
Speaker 3: public land, and a lot of times when I'm driving

1441
01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:24,360
Speaker 3: over there, I'll see a horse hayfield that has a

1442
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:28,479
Speaker 3: bachelor group of you know, all different age classes. Good deer,

1443
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:31,240
Speaker 3: good really goodyear especially for over there, and I go, man,

1444
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 3: there's still like a great opportunity here. So there is

1445
01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:39,519
Speaker 3: this idea that the wolves are there and they're going

1446
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:41,920
Speaker 3: to screw everything up, but you're literally looking at it

1447
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:44,720
Speaker 3: not happening right now, you know what I mean. So

1448
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:47,280
Speaker 3: it's like you're dwelling on something that hasn't happened yet,

1449
01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:49,639
Speaker 3: and it sure it could happen, like a whole pack

1450
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:51,800
Speaker 3: of them could move in and things could get pretty rough.

1451
01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:53,839
Speaker 3: Then you get in your truck and you drive fifteen

1452
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:55,760
Speaker 3: minutes away and you hunt public land somewhere where that

1453
01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:57,960
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Like, we always have an

1454
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 3: option to sort of not just pontificate on this like

1455
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:03,680
Speaker 3: horrible negativity and be like, well, this is going to

1456
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:06,040
Speaker 3: end it for me. And that's that's a thing that

1457
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:07,559
Speaker 3: I have struggled with a lot.

1458
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:07,720
Speaker 2: Man.

1459
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:10,679
Speaker 3: I see the negative in everything, and it's very easy

1460
01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 3: for me to sort of like compulsively obsess on it.

1461
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:17,880
Speaker 3: But we were pretty freaking lucky, dude, Like, can you

1462
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:20,759
Speaker 3: start to realize that as you get older and you're like, man, okay,

1463
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:23,720
Speaker 3: so maybe maybe they screwed up the hunt right where

1464
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:26,000
Speaker 3: I kind of wanted to have my easy hunt this year.

1465
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:29,160
Speaker 3: Are you totally out of the game? Probably not, So

1466
01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 3: what's next? Like, what do you do, Dick? You have

1467
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 3: a backup spot? So if the wolves show up here

1468
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:35,599
Speaker 3: and it's you know, you're not getting a trail camera

1469
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:37,680
Speaker 3: picture for three weeks of a deer because they went

1470
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:42,160
Speaker 3: underground or they moved two miles away. Instead of being like, well,

1471
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:45,760
Speaker 3: this sucks and now I can't hunt, can you just

1472
01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 3: do something else? You know, like can you go follow

1473
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 3: the dogs around for some grouse and that in that

1474
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:53,560
Speaker 3: timber company land and then maybe you run across a

1475
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:55,800
Speaker 3: big community scrape that you should return to or something

1476
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 3: like what can you do to mitigate that because you

1477
01:16:58,000 --> 01:16:59,200
Speaker 3: can't get rid of those wolves?

1478
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:04,479
Speaker 2: Yeah? That I think that. I think that's a useful example.

1479
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:07,160
Speaker 2: And I was going to ask you about two different

1480
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:09,800
Speaker 2: examples about this mental side of things, one of which

1481
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:12,200
Speaker 2: was what do you do when you're stumped when things

1482
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:14,439
Speaker 2: are going wrong? YadA, YadA, YadA. I think you spoke

1483
01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:16,800
Speaker 2: to some of the things that you think about and

1484
01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:20,560
Speaker 2: do to deal with that. I do still want to

1485
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:22,200
Speaker 2: ask you about one other one of these, which is

1486
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 2: the decision making process. So when you are deciding where

1487
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:31,920
Speaker 2: to hunt, Let's say it's the you know you're going

1488
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 2: to sleep and you're think about we're gonna hut the

1489
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:35,400
Speaker 2: next morning, or it's the drive to wherever you're gonna

1490
01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:37,560
Speaker 2: hunt the next morning, or the drive out in the

1491
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:39,880
Speaker 2: afternoon to go hunt in Afternoon's about whatever it is

1492
01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:42,719
Speaker 2: when you're trying to decide where do I hunt next?

1493
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:47,200
Speaker 2: Can you talk me through that dialogue? Can you walk

1494
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:51,519
Speaker 2: me through your decision making process? You know, I'm less

1495
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:53,599
Speaker 2: interested in like, oh, I want to hunt a rub

1496
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 2: or I want to hunt a food source, because it's

1497
01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:57,479
Speaker 2: this I'm more interested in, like all the whys and

1498
01:17:57,560 --> 01:17:59,360
Speaker 2: like what are all the variables you consider? How do

1499
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:01,559
Speaker 2: you weigh these differ from things? What does that look

1500
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:01,960
Speaker 2: like for you?

1501
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:07,240
Speaker 3: I guess it kind of depends what I'm I'm working with.

1502
01:18:09,439 --> 01:18:16,240
Speaker 3: My decisions are made based on largely based on like

1503
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:19,599
Speaker 3: the block of time I'm working with. So if I

1504
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:23,519
Speaker 3: have one day, you know, for whatever reason, I might

1505
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:26,679
Speaker 3: bond's eye in somewhere and take a way bigger risk.

1506
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:29,080
Speaker 3: But if usually in my life I don't because I

1507
01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:30,840
Speaker 3: almost always have to travel to hunt, I don't. I

1508
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:33,160
Speaker 3: just don't have much around my house to hunt, And

1509
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:36,520
Speaker 3: so for me specifically, I'm I'm looking at like probably

1510
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:39,680
Speaker 3: two to four days at a time, and so for me,

1511
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:44,559
Speaker 3: it's like, how do I manage every sit in every

1512
01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:48,040
Speaker 3: potential scouting session to do things the way I need to?

1513
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:52,439
Speaker 3: And so for my decision making process, I've really learned

1514
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:57,280
Speaker 3: I need backups to my backups that I believe in

1515
01:18:57,280 --> 01:19:01,040
Speaker 3: to some extent, right like where I'm like, I probably

1516
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:02,840
Speaker 3: won't kill a big one here, but I'll probably see

1517
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:04,920
Speaker 3: some deer or maybe I'll get clued into something, or

1518
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:07,880
Speaker 3: who knows, maybe something will come in. But as long

1519
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:12,200
Speaker 3: as I'm like working that plan and going, I believe

1520
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:15,000
Speaker 3: I have these three spots to work with, this is

1521
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:18,600
Speaker 3: the best one, second, best, third best. These are the

1522
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:22,040
Speaker 3: conditions today, tomorrow, the next day. Here's how I'm going

1523
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 3: to play this out, and I go, if this doesn't work,

1524
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:27,479
Speaker 3: then I'm going to back off and try this. And

1525
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 3: I love I love feeling like I have that framework

1526
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:35,240
Speaker 3: that's built through scouting, even if it's just E scouting.

1527
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:39,519
Speaker 3: Sometimes I'm just going, I believe this plan will put

1528
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:42,680
Speaker 3: me on there somewhere. So my decision making process is

1529
01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:46,320
Speaker 3: really like how do I make the most of however

1530
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:50,440
Speaker 3: much time I have, That's what factors in more than anything.

1531
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:56,240
Speaker 2: Interesting. I want to take a little bit of a

1532
01:19:56,280 --> 01:20:00,880
Speaker 2: hard pivot here and shift back towards something we spend

1533
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:04,360
Speaker 2: a lot of time on the front end on. But this,

1534
01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 2: this is back to kind of struggles challenges, and I'm curious.

1535
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:10,960
Speaker 2: You know, we've talked over the years about plenty of

1536
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:15,240
Speaker 2: things You've screwed up on myself too, But today, in

1537
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:17,680
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, heading into the twenty twenty four deer

1538
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:21,960
Speaker 2: hunting season, what would you say is the area that

1539
01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:24,880
Speaker 2: you feel like you are currently struggling with the most,

1540
01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:30,280
Speaker 2: and how have you tried to mitigate that, deal with that,

1541
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:32,960
Speaker 2: get better at that handle that.

1542
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 3: I would say the thing that I struggle with the

1543
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:44,120
Speaker 3: most is just the fact that I don't get I

1544
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:47,240
Speaker 3: feel like I'm always behind the eight ball a little

1545
01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:50,519
Speaker 3: bit on scouting. Like I feel like I don't get

1546
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:56,920
Speaker 3: enough time for any one of the places I hunt,

1547
01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:59,000
Speaker 3: and so I always feel like I've just put in

1548
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:01,800
Speaker 3: just the way my life is structured right now, I

1549
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:05,760
Speaker 3: feel like I just don't have the time I need

1550
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:07,680
Speaker 3: to like really tie a bow on any one of

1551
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:10,519
Speaker 3: my spots. Like I'm always kind of like this will

1552
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:14,360
Speaker 3: be good enough, this will get me somewhere, but just

1553
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:18,880
Speaker 3: not not being like I have worked this farm or

1554
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:21,720
Speaker 3: this chunk of public to like where I'm like, this

1555
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:25,360
Speaker 3: is I've got it. And maybe that's like a thing,

1556
01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:28,360
Speaker 3: you know, because I've been there in the past where

1557
01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:32,200
Speaker 3: I'm like, this is gonna happen, and then it just doesn't,

1558
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:35,479
Speaker 3: and you're like, Okay, well, so maybe maybe it's actually

1559
01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:37,599
Speaker 3: a good thing for me to be at this spot

1560
01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:40,880
Speaker 3: because I have been there where I'm like, for for sure,

1561
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:43,000
Speaker 3: I've got four days on the opener on this private

1562
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:46,240
Speaker 3: place in Minnesota, like I'm going to fill this tag

1563
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:49,479
Speaker 3: and then you don't. So sometimes it doesn't work out.

1564
01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:51,240
Speaker 3: But I think that, like the thing that I struggle

1565
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:53,559
Speaker 3: with the most is just that like I feel like

1566
01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:56,639
Speaker 3: and I don't know if that'll happen till I get

1567
01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:58,400
Speaker 3: out of this job or what, or get out of

1568
01:21:58,439 --> 01:22:00,280
Speaker 3: the industry, but I feel like I'm always just like

1569
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:02,800
Speaker 3: a little bit like there's more I could do and

1570
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:03,680
Speaker 3: I'm not doing it.

1571
01:22:06,439 --> 01:22:08,680
Speaker 2: So then how how are you accounting for that? Like,

1572
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:11,760
Speaker 2: how do you when you have something that that you recognize, like, man,

1573
01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:14,439
Speaker 2: here's a problem, here's a struggle now what.

1574
01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:20,719
Speaker 3: I just try to make sure that I can feel

1575
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:24,439
Speaker 3: good enough about it, like I try to be like it.

1576
01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:26,840
Speaker 3: And so a lot of times it's e scouting for

1577
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:31,760
Speaker 3: me or it's like when I get that day or

1578
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 3: two to scout, I am burning myself right to the

1579
01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:36,840
Speaker 3: ground because I'm going to put as much in as

1580
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:39,719
Speaker 3: I can there. And I tell you, this is something

1581
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:43,599
Speaker 3: that I think maybe maybe drives me the most nuts

1582
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:45,200
Speaker 3: about a lot of those people who reach out about

1583
01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:47,760
Speaker 3: like the non resident resident thing is I'm like, man,

1584
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:50,800
Speaker 3: if you have a home field advantage, like if you

1585
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:54,200
Speaker 3: live close to where you're hunting, like you have such

1586
01:22:54,200 --> 01:22:57,519
Speaker 3: an advantage. And I think I think we look we

1587
01:22:57,600 --> 01:23:00,000
Speaker 3: kind of sort of focus on well, there's lots of

1588
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:01,920
Speaker 3: people at the trailhead or there's you know, like I

1589
01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:04,280
Speaker 3: found four stands in here, and it's like, yeah, you're

1590
01:23:04,439 --> 01:23:06,559
Speaker 3: you're looking at the negative side of this stuff, But

1591
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:09,439
Speaker 3: are you are you trying to figure out where you

1592
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:12,680
Speaker 3: have these advantages? You know? Like I've talked about this.

1593
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:15,519
Speaker 3: A buddy of mine who I out count with from

1594
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:18,280
Speaker 3: his house, he can see two over the counter units

1595
01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:23,599
Speaker 3: in Colorado, they're right there. And he's a really good hunter,

1596
01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 3: like he's really good. He's a good elk hunter. He

1597
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:30,840
Speaker 3: almost always kills bulls on public land multiple states, knows

1598
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:33,920
Speaker 3: a shit, But when you talk to him, he's gonna

1599
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:36,759
Speaker 3: bitch about the non residence and I'm always like, ouch,

1600
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:41,040
Speaker 3: like that's me. But I'm like, even this guy who's

1601
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:44,960
Speaker 3: like a very disciplined like he's he's doing just fine,

1602
01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:47,280
Speaker 3: but when you talk to him, he's like focusing on

1603
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:50,800
Speaker 3: the negatives of lots of other people being there and

1604
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:53,720
Speaker 3: lots of people in the back country, despite the fact

1605
01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:56,800
Speaker 3: that he goes out and kills usually a really good

1606
01:23:56,840 --> 01:24:00,400
Speaker 3: bowl every year, let alone sometimes a raghorn whatever. And

1607
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:04,960
Speaker 3: I'm like, your success is so consistent and so impressive,

1608
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:08,720
Speaker 3: But when you like in your head you're looking at

1609
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:11,080
Speaker 3: the negative side of things, It's just wild how we're

1610
01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:11,760
Speaker 3: wired for that.

1611
01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:20,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, this might be related to what we're talking about here.

1612
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:24,960
Speaker 2: If you were to pinpoint one. We've talked a lot

1613
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:31,000
Speaker 2: about some mindsets, habits, routines, ways to look at the world.

1614
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:34,840
Speaker 2: Is there one thing like that, one routine, one habit,

1615
01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 2: mindset trait that you see as consistent among all the

1616
01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:40,920
Speaker 2: best deer hunters you know. Is there one thing that's

1617
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:43,639
Speaker 2: always true, because I know there's a lot of different things,

1618
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:45,200
Speaker 2: right You and I have talked to a lot of

1619
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:47,760
Speaker 2: different successful deer hunters, and many of them do things

1620
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:50,680
Speaker 2: in wildly different ways. But there are some things that

1621
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:53,120
Speaker 2: are always true. What would you think?

1622
01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:56,040
Speaker 3: I think one of the biggest gaps between some of

1623
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:59,599
Speaker 3: the best hunters out there, and by that I mean

1624
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:01,360
Speaker 3: the people who can go anywhere and get it done,

1625
01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:05,080
Speaker 3: not like a single property expert or whatever. I think

1626
01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:07,920
Speaker 3: the biggest gap between those guys or those folks and

1627
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:15,280
Speaker 3: most hunters is those guys fundamentally understand how to hunt

1628
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:18,120
Speaker 3: deer first. And I think a lot of people look

1629
01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:21,040
Speaker 3: at it and they go, I'm hunting a certain age

1630
01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:23,120
Speaker 3: class of buck, right, Like if I want to kill those,

1631
01:25:23,160 --> 01:25:25,400
Speaker 3: I'll go kill those later or whatever. They usually don't.

1632
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:28,760
Speaker 3: But I think the people who are the best at this,

1633
01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:33,960
Speaker 3: they have a fundamental understanding of how to find and

1634
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:38,400
Speaker 3: hunt all deer first, and then they can hone that down.

1635
01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:41,719
Speaker 3: And I'll tell you, dude, like, one of the things

1636
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:44,880
Speaker 3: that I think has opened up my world so much

1637
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:49,679
Speaker 3: more and really help me hunt is I give myself

1638
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:53,519
Speaker 3: permission a lot of times to just hunt deer. Sometimes

1639
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:55,680
Speaker 3: I do it at home. Sometimes I do it on

1640
01:25:55,720 --> 01:25:59,120
Speaker 3: the road a lot, but I think we have this

1641
01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:02,599
Speaker 3: sort of tunnel with mature bucks or whatever age class

1642
01:26:02,640 --> 01:26:06,200
Speaker 3: we want to get to, and we jump there pretty early,

1643
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:09,679
Speaker 3: and maybe we can do that on Grandma's farm pretty

1644
01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:11,960
Speaker 3: well because we have the time. But then you bring

1645
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:14,320
Speaker 3: that to your first over the road trip and you

1646
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:17,400
Speaker 3: struggle bad, or you bring that kind of mindset on

1647
01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:19,559
Speaker 3: an el khunt or whatever and you struggle bad. I

1648
01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:21,360
Speaker 3: think you have to understand that there's a lot of

1649
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:24,720
Speaker 3: situations where it's like, even if it's the first two

1650
01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:27,439
Speaker 3: days of your hunt, you have to figure out how

1651
01:26:27,439 --> 01:26:31,240
Speaker 3: to hunt deer first and find them. And this becomes

1652
01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:33,880
Speaker 3: something like when you go and you've done this, when

1653
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:35,840
Speaker 3: you go to the Big Woods and you're used to

1654
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:38,679
Speaker 3: a place with a pretty high deer density, you don't

1655
01:26:38,720 --> 01:26:41,439
Speaker 3: have a choice. You're like, I have to just like

1656
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:45,240
Speaker 3: find some level of concentration of deer first and hunt them.

1657
01:26:45,479 --> 01:26:47,759
Speaker 3: But then you take somebody who's like born and raised

1658
01:26:47,800 --> 01:26:51,360
Speaker 3: in Iowa. They take it for granted that they're around

1659
01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:54,439
Speaker 3: deer all the time, but they might not really learn

1660
01:26:54,479 --> 01:26:58,280
Speaker 3: how to figure out deer beyond sitting like a destination

1661
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:02,120
Speaker 3: food source or something kind of easy that that really

1662
01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:04,559
Speaker 3: helps you learn those animals. And so I think that's like,

1663
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:07,400
Speaker 3: I think that's like a super important thing that a

1664
01:27:07,479 --> 01:27:09,000
Speaker 3: lot of people miss.

1665
01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:15,880
Speaker 2: What is a commonly held piece of deer hunting dogma

1666
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:18,000
Speaker 2: that you think is actually false?

1667
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:21,600
Speaker 3: I think the worst thing we do to ourselves is

1668
01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:25,120
Speaker 3: we have we subscribe to so many ideas that keep

1669
01:27:25,200 --> 01:27:27,479
Speaker 3: us out of the woods. I think the and I

1670
01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:29,240
Speaker 3: and I've talked about that a lot, with the heat

1671
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:33,360
Speaker 3: and the you know, I don't know, wind, whatever you name,

1672
01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:37,880
Speaker 3: name your condition. I think that the worst thing we

1673
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:41,360
Speaker 3: do to ourselves is we have so many built in

1674
01:27:41,439 --> 01:27:45,360
Speaker 3: excuses to not go hunting. And that's it that you know, Oh,

1675
01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:49,600
Speaker 3: it's the Lowell, it's whatever, dude. I just think that

1676
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:54,960
Speaker 3: people set themselves back so much with that mindset of

1677
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:58,960
Speaker 3: being like, well, if Marjory doesn't go in until November fifth, here,

1678
01:27:59,320 --> 01:28:03,200
Speaker 3: I probably should neither. It's like, man, you're probably not

1679
01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:06,760
Speaker 3: hunting Mark Jury's stuff, right, Like, it's probably not yeah,

1680
01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:11,760
Speaker 3: commensurate to like you. And the more that you just

1681
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:14,040
Speaker 3: go out and figure out that that stuff's kind of

1682
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:17,280
Speaker 3: bs like you can find dear anywhere, it'll force you

1683
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:20,280
Speaker 3: to do something different. You can't just go ride out

1684
01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:23,920
Speaker 3: a funnel all day when it's October fifth, right, Or

1685
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:27,960
Speaker 3: you can't just go sit, you know, downwind of a

1686
01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:30,240
Speaker 3: betting area when it's September fifteenth, Like, you have to

1687
01:28:30,280 --> 01:28:33,519
Speaker 3: figure out how to make that stuff work and go

1688
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:37,000
Speaker 3: as much as possible instead of being like, here's my

1689
01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:39,280
Speaker 3: excuse to not hunt, and I'm being a good hunter

1690
01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:40,280
Speaker 3: by not hunting.

1691
01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:47,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right. Three final rapid fire kind of

1692
01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:50,640
Speaker 2: questions here. Two of them are are pretty different than

1693
01:28:50,640 --> 01:28:54,599
Speaker 2: the rest, but really quickly want to look into your

1694
01:28:54,760 --> 01:28:58,000
Speaker 2: perspective on gear. It's just a quick touch on gear here.

1695
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:02,000
Speaker 2: What purchase of one hundred or less has been the

1696
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:07,120
Speaker 2: most positively impactful to your hunting success or enjoyment? Best

1697
01:29:07,240 --> 01:29:09,200
Speaker 2: hundred bucks or less you've spent on hunting.

1698
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:17,599
Speaker 3: Books or less. Hmmm, that's a pretty good question. Everything

1699
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:25,559
Speaker 3: we have is a freaking expensive now. Yeah, man, I'm

1700
01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:27,519
Speaker 3: trying to think of a category that I take out

1701
01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:35,479
Speaker 3: their thermocel I would probably say a Thermoicell unit not

1702
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:42,600
Speaker 3: only for hunting early season, but scouting like glassing. That

1703
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:46,479
Speaker 3: is a really good product. That's I don't know, I

1704
01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:48,240
Speaker 3: can't remember what they call it forty bucks or something

1705
01:29:48,280 --> 01:29:51,960
Speaker 3: thirty bucks now. But yeah, man, game changer for a

1706
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:53,679
Speaker 3: lot of situations.

1707
01:29:54,640 --> 01:29:59,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, keeps you out there. Uh, Okay, you've got top

1708
01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:04,040
Speaker 2: tier Camo, top tier optics, top tier bow boots, stand saddles,

1709
01:30:04,040 --> 01:30:06,320
Speaker 2: you got the best of the best, Tony. If you

1710
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:09,439
Speaker 2: had to give it all up and have it replaced

1711
01:30:09,479 --> 01:30:12,920
Speaker 2: with entry level Walmart versions of all of that stuff,

1712
01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:17,360
Speaker 2: except for one category, you could keep one of your

1713
01:30:17,560 --> 01:30:20,000
Speaker 2: top tier, high end things. It could be your clothing,

1714
01:30:20,040 --> 01:30:22,599
Speaker 2: your bow, whatever, but just one of those you get

1715
01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:25,600
Speaker 2: to keep that high dollar thing. A different way of

1716
01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:27,360
Speaker 2: looking at this could be like I'm gonna let you

1717
01:30:27,400 --> 01:30:29,840
Speaker 2: spend a lot of money on one thing. What would

1718
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:30,559
Speaker 2: be that one thing?

1719
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:37,000
Speaker 3: Yeah? Time on stand man. I mean I think I

1720
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:38,880
Speaker 3: could get away. I mean I know I could get

1721
01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:41,719
Speaker 3: away with an old bow. Uh you know, it wouldn't

1722
01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:43,479
Speaker 3: be that much fun to go back to a bunch

1723
01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:47,519
Speaker 3: of steel sticks and heavy stands and stuff. Well, you

1724
01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:50,400
Speaker 3: could do it, right, you could do it. But not

1725
01:30:50,680 --> 01:30:55,600
Speaker 3: being comfortable out there is just not an option. And

1726
01:30:55,680 --> 01:30:57,479
Speaker 3: so I think I think it wouldn't even really be

1727
01:30:57,560 --> 01:30:59,160
Speaker 3: a question for me. I think it would be like

1728
01:30:59,360 --> 01:31:03,439
Speaker 3: high end close just for what they they the sheer

1729
01:31:03,439 --> 01:31:06,679
Speaker 3: amount of hours extra hours they allow me to spend

1730
01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:07,679
Speaker 3: out there where the deer are.

1731
01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:16,479
Speaker 2: Yep, all right. Imagine you are given the opportunity to

1732
01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:19,360
Speaker 2: place a billboard on the side of the highway next

1733
01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:22,600
Speaker 2: to a Cabela's or a Brass Pro shops, some superstore

1734
01:31:22,680 --> 01:31:25,760
Speaker 2: that every hunter and angler, every hunter, every hunter is

1735
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:28,280
Speaker 2: going to come driving by there and see this billboard.

1736
01:31:28,720 --> 01:31:32,479
Speaker 2: You could to put a message on that billboard. If

1737
01:31:32,520 --> 01:31:34,439
Speaker 2: you were to put something on that billboard for every

1738
01:31:34,479 --> 01:31:37,519
Speaker 2: white tailed deer hunter to see, that would distill, you know,

1739
01:31:37,560 --> 01:31:40,760
Speaker 2: your best deer hunting advice or philosophy or message that

1740
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:42,880
Speaker 2: you want to leave folks with. If if this is

1741
01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:47,839
Speaker 2: your last chance to say something to that audience, our audience,

1742
01:31:48,640 --> 01:31:49,960
Speaker 2: what would you put on that billboard.

1743
01:31:50,240 --> 01:31:52,759
Speaker 3: I think the message that would probably be the most

1744
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:56,679
Speaker 3: like resonate the most would be that patience kills deer.

1745
01:31:57,640 --> 01:32:00,120
Speaker 3: Like you could you could say discipline. I think that

1746
01:32:00,280 --> 01:32:02,479
Speaker 3: I think that that concept is a little bit harder

1747
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:07,400
Speaker 3: for like a broad subset of people to grasp because

1748
01:32:07,400 --> 01:32:10,080
Speaker 3: it could mean different things. I think patience is universal,

1749
01:32:10,479 --> 01:32:13,160
Speaker 3: Like I think a lot of hunters are just not

1750
01:32:13,400 --> 01:32:16,439
Speaker 3: patient enough and you know, you think about how often

1751
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:20,000
Speaker 3: when you sit an extra hour, or you go out

1752
01:32:20,040 --> 01:32:23,680
Speaker 3: an extra two hours early, or you do the all

1753
01:32:23,800 --> 01:32:27,800
Speaker 3: days sits like how often just being like I'm not

1754
01:32:27,960 --> 01:32:30,640
Speaker 3: leaving yet, or I'm not going to give myself a

1755
01:32:30,720 --> 01:32:32,280
Speaker 3: chance to leave. I'm just like I'm going to just

1756
01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:34,920
Speaker 3: wait them out because I did, I did the work right,

1757
01:32:35,000 --> 01:32:37,240
Speaker 3: like I found the spot, I found the train trap whatever.

1758
01:32:37,760 --> 01:32:41,240
Speaker 3: Then it's just a matter of like being patient. So

1759
01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:44,479
Speaker 3: I think I would put like patience kills deer or

1760
01:32:44,520 --> 01:32:46,160
Speaker 3: big bucks like whatever.

1761
01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:52,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it all right, man, you did it.

1762
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:56,080
Speaker 2: You made it through. I appreciate you answering those questions,

1763
01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:57,280
Speaker 2: talking to you everybody.

1764
01:32:56,880 --> 01:32:59,600
Speaker 3: And I appreciate you begrudgingly admitting that I am a

1765
01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:00,360
Speaker 3: white tail master.

1766
01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:07,960
Speaker 2: Yep, enjoy it. Enjoy it. While last I will. I

1767
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:13,559
Speaker 2: will return to my denigrating habits in the future, but

1768
01:33:13,680 --> 01:33:16,519
Speaker 2: for today, Tony, you can wallow in the glory of

1769
01:33:16,640 --> 01:33:19,519
Speaker 2: me admitting that I respect and admire you.

1770
01:33:19,680 --> 01:33:23,040
Speaker 3: So I appreciate that. Hey, are you gonna grow that

1771
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:24,720
Speaker 3: mustache back? Or what's going on here? Man?

1772
01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:28,640
Speaker 2: I don't know, TBD do.

1773
01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:31,000
Speaker 3: Do you get carted again? Like when you head into

1774
01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:31,599
Speaker 3: the liquor store.

1775
01:33:31,640 --> 01:33:36,040
Speaker 2: Now I was getting carted even with the mustache.

1776
01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:37,360
Speaker 3: I guess I could believe that.

1777
01:33:37,400 --> 01:33:40,280
Speaker 2: I think I'll be I'll be getting the baby face

1778
01:33:41,680 --> 01:33:43,519
Speaker 2: problems till I'm problem.

1779
01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:47,240
Speaker 3: What how much time do you think you saved running

1780
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:50,519
Speaker 3: that race by just having a little bit less drag

1781
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:51,080
Speaker 3: on your face?

1782
01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:55,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, the air of dynamics save me at least five

1783
01:33:55,040 --> 01:33:55,679
Speaker 2: to ten minutes.

1784
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:56,280
Speaker 3: There you go.

1785
01:33:56,360 --> 01:34:02,200
Speaker 2: Man, It's all worth it, buddy, all worth it, all

1786
01:34:02,320 --> 01:34:04,600
Speaker 2: right man. Well, thank you for taking the time to

1787
01:34:04,640 --> 01:34:07,720
Speaker 2: do this. Thank you everyone for tuning in. We appreciate

1788
01:34:07,760 --> 01:34:10,080
Speaker 2: you being here. We appreciate you being a part of

1789
01:34:10,080 --> 01:34:12,519
Speaker 2: this community. I hope that this series has been helpful,

1790
01:34:12,680 --> 01:34:14,640
Speaker 2: giving you some different ways of looking at things, some

1791
01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:20,439
Speaker 2: different views, and a different insight into how some of

1792
01:34:20,439 --> 01:34:22,680
Speaker 2: these best deer hunters do what they do. It's not

1793
01:34:22,760 --> 01:34:26,360
Speaker 2: happening by accident, that's for sure, and hopefully you've learned

1794
01:34:26,360 --> 01:34:29,840
Speaker 2: something along the way. So thank you, and until next time,

1795
01:34:30,160 --> 01:34:32,160
Speaker 2: stay Wired to hun.