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Speaker 1: The volume, all right, welcome in. I'm off vaka and

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Speaker 1: uh I don't. I can't remember the last two days

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Speaker 1: of a golf tournament where I was more emotionally vested

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Speaker 1: in a golfer than Rory McElroy. And I wasn't rooting

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Speaker 1: against Justin Rose or Bryson Deshambeau, who I think has

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Speaker 1: done an incredible one eighty rehab of his brand where

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Speaker 1: he was unlikable and now is incredibly likable or at

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Speaker 1: least more likable. But I was thinking about this John

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Speaker 1: John Middlecoff, former NFL Scout three and out part of

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Speaker 1: the volume is that what makes Rory we know he's

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Speaker 1: a sensational talent, but he's got a phil Mickelson quality

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Speaker 1: where you can you can see him buckle, you can

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Speaker 1: see I mean when he takes that wedge from a

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Speaker 1: great Saturday at Skokie Country Club in Chicago suburb, Like

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Speaker 1: I what is going on? And I think what finds him,

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Speaker 1: what makes Rory so likable is that he is vulnerable

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Speaker 1: and he just has you know, four double bogies short

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Speaker 1: him incredibly watchable.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, uh, you know, I think every great golfer,

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Speaker 2: definitely in my life, which I've been watching for almost

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Speaker 2: thirty years now, So like the Tiger, Phil era is

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Speaker 2: kind of defined by their greatness or disasters in majors.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: You know, when I was a kid, Greg Norman, it

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Speaker 2: was a big deal to like have a shark polo

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: When you think Greg Norman, you think a guy that

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Speaker 2: unravels and fails. You know, Phil is weird because he's

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Speaker 2: one of the greatest players in the history of the sport.

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Speaker 2: He's won six majors, he's won the Masters three times,

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Speaker 2: he's won forty five tournaments. But you remember him a

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Speaker 2: lot of times for finishing second. Yes to Payne Stewart,

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Speaker 1: Taking big risks. He doesn't need to.

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Speaker 2: And he's like that in life. Right when he made

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Speaker 2: the comments about the Saudis after he took their two

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Speaker 2: hundred million dollars. You know, Rory's this kind of enigma

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Speaker 2: because and I thought today, actually symbolized his entire career. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean he had a couple shots that are like

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Speaker 2: the most incredible shots in the history of Masters. He

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Speaker 2: hooked a seven iron around a tree to five feet

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Speaker 2: on fifteen, and then he missed the putt, and then

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Speaker 2: he missed the putt. You know, and I can't you know,

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Speaker 2: Tiger's got this torn achilles. He's like, he's like a

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Speaker 2: nineteen seventies NFL player on his on his bed with

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Speaker 2: eighteen million injuries. Can you imagine Tiger watching this tournament

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Speaker 2: and thinking, You know, Tiger was actually pretty boring as

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Speaker 2: a champion because he didn't screw up. What was the

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Speaker 2: famous quote, like dumb loses more than smart wins. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Tiger was very conservative. You know, Rory dunks into the water,

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Speaker 2: he Bogei's eighteen to end it to a playoff after

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Speaker 2: he's right in the middle of the fairway three hundred

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Speaker 2: and thirty yards. Yeah, I don't know where you stood.

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Speaker 2: I thought, the emotional roller coaster of that three and

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Speaker 2: a half hours, how could he win in well, in

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Speaker 2: extra hole, I thought he was gonna lose Colin I didn't.

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Speaker 2: I didn't have any faith he was going to win

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Speaker 2: in extra holes because emotionally put yourself in his shoes.

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Speaker 2: He had to be gutted to try to gather himself

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Speaker 2: and keep his heart rate down. He probably wanted to cry.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's funny because Phil Mickelson got himself into trouble

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Speaker 1: because he was overly aggressive. But and he would buckle,

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Speaker 1: but it was a different kind. Rory loses confidence. You

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Speaker 1: you're like, oh, he just lost confidence. He said it

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Speaker 1: a little bit on the green jacket in ceremony in

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Speaker 1: the room, which I thought was really emotional. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just I think, you know, Tiger was such a

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Speaker 1: by five strokes going into Sunday, it was over. There

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Speaker 1: was one US Open against Rocco medi eight, which I

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Speaker 1: found that was stirring with Tiger. Also his last Master's

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Speaker 2: Well, colin O eight was stirring with Roco because he

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I know what you mean.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean I just thought the whole spectacle

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Speaker 1: So Bryson de Shambeau was to shambles his I mean,

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: He all weekend had sort of a distance issue, like

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Speaker 1: whereas Rory's wedge and Rory's irons were either remarkable or mediocre.

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Speaker 1: Rory today, frankly, think about that, how good Rory is.

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Speaker 1: He had one of the worst shots ever the wedge

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Speaker 1: He hit a couple of putts, but he was hit

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Speaker 1: he won. I mean, how damn good do you have

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Speaker 2: Well, I thought, I mean Colin he blew a. He

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Speaker 2: down one shot after two holes. I mean it felt like,

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Speaker 2: you felt bad for him, like how can this happen?

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Speaker 2: But he had a couple shots today that I would

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Speaker 2: had one ender over a tree, ah, the bender around

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Speaker 2: the tree, another shot over a tree from the left side.

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Speaker 2: He had another shot on the right side. He did

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Speaker 2: you can't really hit it out of bounds. You just

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Speaker 2: there's tree trouble, but it's not. There's no rough so

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Speaker 2: you can spray it a little bit and there's just

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Speaker 2: the golf gods are on your side. You're still gonna

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Speaker 2: be okay, So the golf gods are on your side.

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Speaker 2: Through the first three rounds, he was the best player

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Speaker 2: didn't even play that well yesterday where Rory shot sixty six,

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Speaker 2: it just shows you that, Like, to me, one thing

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Speaker 2: that's fascinating about Rory, and I always admire the Michael Jordan's,

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Speaker 2: just keep grinding because you're addicted to the competition. That

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Speaker 2: Tiger was notorious for this right. Stevie Williams's caddy would

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Speaker 2: Monkey office. And Roy had already won twice this year.

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Speaker 2: He won a Pebble and he won the Players. Now

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Speaker 2: he's won the Masters. He's playing by far the best

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Speaker 2: the putts at Pinehurst. If Rory keeps the pedal of

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Speaker 2: the medal, he might not win every major, but he

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Speaker 2: could win like six seven times. He could have a

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Speaker 1: I think yeah, And I thought Bryce, and to shamble

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Speaker 1: his game is just you know, listen, I like golf.

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Speaker 1: I played it this weekend.

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Speaker 1: But I am hitting my irons the last year as

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Speaker 2: You need to give Bryson a lesson.

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Speaker 1: His game feels loose, Bryce, I mean he didn't. He

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Speaker 1: twice today. Now, his putting saved him over the weekend,

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the old adage is you can talk

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Speaker 2: greens were harder, Bryce, and the greens at the Masters

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Speaker 2: messes with all sorts of weird shit. I mean, he's

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Speaker 2: got special made club He's a different cat.

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Speaker 1: Wikipedia Bryson Deshambo's clubs and I was reading it over

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Speaker 1: you know they're both power players. But Rory plays fast

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Speaker 1: and again. The thing with Rory is just how remarkable

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Speaker 1: he is as a talent to win today. I mean

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Speaker 1: he is. I think he had four double bogies.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, it's never happened before in the history

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Speaker 2: so it's the perfect combination. And like you said, I mean,

426
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Speaker 2: the weather the last couple of days just look picturesque.

427
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:35,639
Speaker 2: Having the superstars the leader board was incredible. I just

428
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 2: think that this tournament in a weird way, I hate

429
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Speaker 2: live because it's just it's made my life as just

430
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Speaker 2: someone that wants to watch all these guys play together.

431
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Speaker 2: Like you said, I don't care that who makes what.

432
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:47,480
Speaker 2: I just want to see all these guys play together.

433
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 2: And it's separated them. But it's made this weekend, specifically

434
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Speaker 2: the last couple of years. I would say it's it's

435
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 2: put it on steroids. And it's hard even for the

436
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Speaker 2: other majors to quite feel like this one, because one

437
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,639
Speaker 2: is just The Masters has always been big. It's you know,

438
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 2: every human being, whether you don't even like golf, knows

439
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,639
Speaker 2: the green jacket. Tiger took it to another level. I

440
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,200
Speaker 2: do think though the last couple of years, with them

441
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 2: all getting back together, it feels like there's now Bryson

442
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 2: is kind of I mean last year he had the

443
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,399
Speaker 2: lead after a couple of rounds. He's been a major

444
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Speaker 2: factor of these last couple of years at the Masters.

445
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,119
Speaker 2: Has added an element to this tournament that, you know,

446
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 2: without Tiger, it's just hard. I mean the golf, this

447
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 2: isn't football. I mean football wouldn't be big enough. I

448
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,879
Speaker 2: remember being a kid, USFL tried to take away Steve

449
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,120
Speaker 2: Young and Bruce Smith and Jim Kelly, like you need

450
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,439
Speaker 2: you only have ten to fifteen to twenty guys that

451
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 2: really matter in golf. You probably only got five or six. Yes,

452
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 2: I can't lose two of them, right, And tennis was

453
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,640
Speaker 2: very dependent on Federer, Joker and nat All for basically

454
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Speaker 2: fifteen twenty years. Yeah, when I was a kid, it

455
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,680
Speaker 2: was Samperston agacy and that was kind of it. Yeah,

456
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,359
Speaker 2: And it's like golf is not big enough to handle

457
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Speaker 2: this divide, but the majors don't really care because they're

458
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Speaker 2: masters in business with the Masters's it works for them.

459
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Speaker 1: Have you ever seen what you win when you win

460
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,640
Speaker 1: the Masters? So the purse this year was four point

461
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Speaker 1: two million. You get the jacket, lifetime membership, invitation forever,

462
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:12,879
Speaker 1: You get all these exclusive places you know that you

463
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Speaker 1: can you know, only a handful of You got to

464
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Speaker 1: use the locker room of Champions, which is just all

465
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Speaker 1: time great, but it's one of the it's it's I

466
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Speaker 1: think the only thing to me that compares to the

467
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Speaker 1: Masters is when the US Open is at Pebble Beach,

468
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Speaker 1: where I'm literally watching for the course and Pinehurst is great,

469
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Speaker 1: but I'm not watching for Pinehurst. Pebble Beach. US Opens

470
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Speaker 1: feel different, British Open feels different. St Andrews, and I

471
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Speaker 1: think the Masters, those three tournament PGA Championship to me

472
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Speaker 1: just doesn't you know again if I'm around, But it

473
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Speaker 1: was interesting. So I'm watching Thursday and Friday on vacation

474
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Speaker 1: and I went and golf Saturday. I was just like, oh,

475
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Speaker 1: I'm into this beautiful day by the way, fifty degrees. Oh,

476
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Speaker 1: it was just beautiful day in the suburbs of Chicago.

477
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Speaker 1: But it was just one of those things where I

478
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Speaker 1: think golf, even though you would argue it's not in

479
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: a good place, it's got a lot of alphas. There's

480
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 1: a little tension between all of them. They, I mean, Kepka, Bryson,

481
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 1: de Shamble aren't tight that you can sense. It's pretty palpable.

482
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Speaker 1: You can sense the tension between some of these guys

483
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 1: because they're all really guys, guys. They're all very male, right,

484
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Speaker 1: And I think, I don't know, I just watched this

485
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Speaker 1: weekend and I thought to myself, golf's in a really

486
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Speaker 1: good place at these Masters, at these majors.

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Speaker 2: Well, I know, you know, living in Arizona, a lot

488
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,880
Speaker 2: of pros live here, and you know, I play golf

489
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Speaker 2: at TBC where a lot of these guys practice. The

490
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 2: live financial boom for the PGA Tour and these guys

491
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 2: has been pretty incredible for the business. I mean, the

492
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Speaker 2: top guys have always been rich, from Arnold Palmer to

493
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Speaker 2: Jack to Tiger. But you know, my wife was showing

494
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 2: an open house a couple of weeks ago with one

495
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 2: of her colleagues. There was like four or five million

496
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 2: dollars and the people looking at the open house and

497
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 2: the guy was showing it is in the golf world

498
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 2: and knows these people, introduces himself and realizes it's the

499
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Speaker 2: wife of one of the caddies and she was looking

500
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Speaker 2: for another caddies wife. These are four or five million

501
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 2: dollar house the caddies. And this is not you know,

502
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Speaker 2: Rory's caddy. This is a guy probably somewhere forty to

503
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 2: sixty in the world. These guys I mean Bryson or

504
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 2: Rory NetJets. You see. Yeah, the sixtieth guy ain't going

505
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 2: to the commercial airport. So the wealth on the golf

506
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,880
Speaker 2: tour right now has never been top down, and it's

507
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 2: an incredible time to be involved as a high end

508
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 2: top one hundred golfer. You are an immediate millionaire and

509
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,479
Speaker 2: your Caddi's doing well, coll your caddy.

510
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Speaker 1: And also with Bryson being a YouTube sensation, Oh, everybody

511
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 1: now understands there's influencer potential putting your stuff on YouTube,

512
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: So showing a little personality is okay. So I think

513
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Speaker 1: it's it's you know, they call him influencers. I think

514
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 1: Bryson's an influencer, like he has the ability like a

515
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 1: Connor McGregor in his prime, that if Connor was on

516
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,679
Speaker 1: the card, I would just go to I took my

517
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: wife to two UFC cards, so I thought it was

518
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Speaker 1: a great weekend. Stephanie's Places is a new series on

519
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Speaker 1: ESPN Plus gives you all the access to some of

520
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Speaker 1: the biggest WWE superstars. Stephanie McMahon does a great job,

521
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Speaker 1: and I know Stephanie great job of bringing out the

522
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Speaker 1: best stories from Cmpunk, Cody Rhodes, Triple H who's a

523
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Speaker 1: great guy, and many more so. In this week's episode,

524
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Speaker 1: comes out Wednesday, Stephanie sits down with Steve Austin and

525
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Speaker 1: his ranch in Nevada and talk about his post WWE life.

526
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Speaker 1: So if you haven't checked out this episode of Stephanie's

527
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Speaker 1: Places yet, you can find this series on ESPN Plus

528
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Speaker 1: streaming right now. The episodes are fast, they're fun, you

529
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Speaker 1: really get inside stuff you've never seen before. It's some

530
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Speaker 1: of the biggest stars from the WWE. Three episodes are

531
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Speaker 1: out right now. Seven more episodes are coming up. John Middlecoff,

532
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Speaker 1: former NFL scout, All right, let's let's let's do a

533
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Speaker 1: little NFL. The draft is coming up in a couple

534
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: of weeks. So I was I was sitting with a

535
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: Packer fan the other night having dinner. My wife and

536
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 1: I were with some acquaintances in Chicago, and they were

537
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: talking about Aaron Rodgers and two people at the table said, well,

538
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 1: why hasn't he signed, And I said, well, I think

539
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 1: Aaron deep down knows Pittsburgh's fools, gold dk Metcalf, George Pickens,

540
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: a lot of drama. They can't get their O line right,

541
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,640
Speaker 1: they lost Nausea Harris and their left tackle. I don't

542
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 1: know if the offensive coordinator is Aaron's type of guy.

543
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 1: So I think Aaron, if he thought Pittsburgh was the deal,

544
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 1: he would sign with Pittsburgh and My take on Aaron

545
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: is he really wants to sign with Minnesota, and Minnesota

546
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 1: right now has kind of bounced around and it made

547
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Speaker 1: me a little ambiguous with with JJ McCarthy injury wise.

548
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: But I'll just ask you, is I think if Aaron

549
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: wanted to sign, he would, And I think he knows

550
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh's fraught with isshoes, you know, defensive culture, defensive spending,

551
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 1: two high maintenance receivers, left tackle gone, They've had a

552
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 1: battle line for seven years. Why do you think he

553
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Speaker 1: hasn't signed?

554
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Speaker 2: You know, I remember you had Danny Parkins on probably

555
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 2: a month ago, and he thought that Aaron was gonna

556
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Speaker 2: sign it at Pat McAfee's deal in Pittsburgh, And at

557
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 2: first I thought he was crazy, and then the closer

558
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 2: we got him like, yeah, maybe it's gonna happen. So

559
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Speaker 2: I kind of expected him just to announce at that thing,

560
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 2: and then it doesn't happen, and you're like, well, maybe

561
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Speaker 2: this is not inevitable. And like you said, Kevin O'Connell,

562
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Speaker 2: I think he said at the owners meetings that two

563
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Speaker 2: things can be true. We believe in JJ McCarthy, and

564
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Speaker 2: we'd also not be doing our job if we weren't

565
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 2: showing an interest in Aaron Rodgers. Well, they get a

566
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Speaker 2: tryout period at least physically how it's gonna look with

567
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Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy in Ota. So if you're Rogers, it's like, well,

568
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Speaker 2: what is Pittsburgh gonna do? And if they shoudre Sanders

569
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 2: falls of them, they still wouldn't be interested in bringing

570
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 2: me in that they want to win next year. Schador

571
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 2: doesn't guarantee that, right, So he actually has a weird

572
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 2: amount of leverage over Mike Tomlin and Pittsburgh. I mean,

573
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Speaker 2: that can't feel great if you're a Steelers like Aaron Rodgers,

574
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 2: but he has no leverage in Minnesota, which is clearly

575
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 2: his best spot unless OTA's you know, the coach goes.

576
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 2: I don't know, he still looks skinny, maybe the offense

577
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 2: doesn't look as smooth. Maybe physically he just doesn't look

578
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 2: right right right, So I think he can gauge if

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Speaker 2: there are reports after you know, a couple of those

580
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 2: Ota practices, which again I'm not acting like those are

581
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Speaker 2: the end all be all, but from a physical standpoint,

582
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Speaker 2: we saw him walk the sideline against the Lions. He

583
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Speaker 2: looked like he weighed one hundred and seventy five pounds. Yeah,

584
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Speaker 2: and he had needed multiple knee surgeries. I understand and listen,

585
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 2: I like the player as well, but you can't go

586
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Speaker 2: off just one good experience in a preseason game for

587
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Speaker 2: a team that if you just removed the quarterback for

588
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Speaker 2: every team in the NFL, Minnesota und out of believe

589
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 2: would be a top five pick of roster team, right.

590
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Speaker 2: You would take them probably above like the Chiefs or

591
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Speaker 2: the Bills.

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Speaker 1: Well, they just revamped the I mean the Bears and

593
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Speaker 1: the Vikings both real upgrades on our O line, so

594
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Speaker 1: we know we like Minnesota's coach and running back and

595
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Speaker 1: wide receivers and tight end. They went and shored up

596
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Speaker 1: their offensive line. So I think it's one of the

597
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Speaker 1: more attractive places in the league for a quarterback for sure.

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Speaker 2: So to me, if if you have any reservations, I

599
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Speaker 2: also think if I'm Kevin O'Connell, I go aarin. We

600
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Speaker 2: want you, and I'd even do it before OTAs. But

601
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Speaker 2: we're offering you a veteran minimum, no guaranteed, like you've

602
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 2: already made five hundred and four hundred million dollars on

603
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Speaker 2: and off the field. Who knows how much you've made,

604
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Speaker 2: but We're not guaranteeing you anything, So if things ever

605
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 2: get weird or it doesn't fit, we can both move on,

606
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 2: you know, cause if you really want this, because you're

607
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 2: no dummy, you know this is by far your best opportunity.

608
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Speaker 2: But like, I don't know what Pittsburgh has even offered

609
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 2: them one year twenty million dollars or something like the

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Speaker 2: Minnesota wouldn't even entertain something like that one year a

611
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Speaker 2: couple million. And if things don't work after training camp,

612
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 2: we can both go our separate ways. But we're not

613
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Speaker 2: being stuck. But I wouldn't fault them for being interested,

614
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Speaker 2: just because we have seen enough now with you know,

615
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 2: most of these rookie quarterbacks go to really shitty teams, right,

616
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 2: so it's like even if you have a bad year whatever,

617
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence's first year with Irvin Meyer, he got like

618
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,479
Speaker 2: a pass. It's happened twice now, a guy's been drafted

619
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Speaker 2: really high and gone to a team with like legit

620
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Speaker 2: playoff expectations. Trey Lance was higher than Caleb, but Caleb

621
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Speaker 2: had pretty big expectation and then it was just it's

622
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 2: a lot of pressure, a lot of stuff going on

623
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Speaker 2: that is JJ McCarthy. I know he's a second year player,

624
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 2: but he's technically like you know, like Blake Griffin. Right,

625
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 2: he didn't play his rookie year because he tore his

626
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Speaker 2: eight knee. You're a rookie, you know, on the field

627
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Speaker 2: like that. You can't have much more pressure as a

628
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Speaker 2: first time starting quarterback that's twenty two years old that's

629
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 2: never played. Kevin O'Connell is not Kyle shanahan. You watch

630
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Speaker 2: him in those the game against Detroit and the playoff game.

631
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Speaker 2: He's calling pass place. Yeah, he wants to He's McVeigh.

632
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Speaker 2: He wants to and Andy he wants to pass. JJ

633
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 2: played in a running office trying to beat Penn State

634
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 2: and they didn't hand the they didn't pass the ball

635
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 2: in the second half like the Michigan handoff, handoff, handoff

636
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 2: play d that's what he's used to doing.

637
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's real concerns there, and I think

638
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: Aaron's smart to just I would wait till the drafts over.

639
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: I want to see where the chips fall. I don't

640
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: want to get burner like Kirk Cousins. And I'm going

641
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: to sit around if I'm Aaron and if I don't

642
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: get the right offer, I got a two hundred million

643
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: bucks in the bank. I'm done.

644
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 2: I think Minnesota definitely is still on the table.

645
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: Okay, I want to talk about this because this got

646
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: a lot of pushback this weekend. So Tennessee is a

647
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: very young quarterback and he was making about two million dollars.

648
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: They were paying him two million dollars when he was

649
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: red shirting as a freshman to not play. And his

650
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: name is and I'll just call him Nico. He's got

651
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: a long last name and I don't want to butcher it.

652
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: So I watched him play three or four No, I

653
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: probably watched him play four or five times last year

654
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: against the better teams. He was young quarterback, not overwhelmed,

655
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: but not a missus open receivers. He's not should do

656
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: or accurate. But he's also not draft eligible right now.

657
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: He's going to grow. But he's a really nice talent.

658
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: He's slender, he moves well, he's got a decent arm.

659
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: And my take is, so he comes out this weekend

660
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: and basically doesn't show up to practice and says I

661
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: want four million, and Tennessee, to their credit, is like, listen,

662
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: we're not going to play that game. We're gonna let

663
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: him go, and I thought it would have been very

664
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: difficult to hold out, not show up to practice, and

665
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: come back. So I think the volunteers made the right

666
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: decision as a program to say, listen, this isn't gonna work,

667
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: this is a bad vibe, this is bad locker room smell. Here,

668
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: we're moving on. I totally agree with that, But I

669
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily bothered by the move because it is April

670
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: and coaches now are fetching twelve to thirteen million dollars

671
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: in college football. So if a top quarterback wants four,

672
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not going to hate the player. You

673
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: can hate the system, you can hate nil, but I

674
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: think this is I think this is what we're gonna

675
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 1: see this, this is the way the game works now.

676
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 1: I don't think it'll hurt him in the NFL. I

677
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: think eventually, if he has a great year, people draft him.

678
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: Everybody needs quarterbacks. Nobody care. I mean, Cayleb Williams had

679
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: some emotional stuff, people didn't like, Johnny Manziel had all

680
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: sorts of it. There'll be a team that'll draft him

681
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: that needs a quarterback. What do you make What do

682
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: you make of the kid doing it. What do you

683
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 1: make in Tennessee's reaction, I.

684
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 2: Forget the kid's name, but there's a pass rusher on

685
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 2: South Carolina the Game Cocks who's like looks like a

686
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 2: clowney or just like a you know, Miles Garrett that

687
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 2: in the middle of the season, they're like they had

688
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 2: to up what they were going to pay him. And again,

689
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 2: true freshman. He looks like he's got a chance to

690
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 2: be like a number one overall pick. I have no

691
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 2: problem when you're an elite player. Renegotiating happens in pro

692
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 2: sports all the time. What happened? Who holds out in

693
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:01,800
Speaker 2: the NFL? Micah Parsons, Nick Bosa? Right, Justin Jefferson, Jordan,

694
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 2: Jamar Chase. This guy did not have a good year.

695
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I watched a lot of them last

696
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 2: year because Tennessee was good and they were in the mix.

697
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 2: Have you heard of him in high school? Like he

698
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 2: was one of the highly talented guys in la oh.

699
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,479
Speaker 1: I think he was the number one quarterback I believe

700
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,439
Speaker 1: out of Los Angeles. So I watch all those guys

701
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:23,359
Speaker 1: tape on YouTube. Again, moves well lively, arm I thought

702
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: as a college quarterback, his accuracy was against and again

703
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: I only watched the Tennessee games against the better teams.

704
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: Very hit and miss down the field, very hit and miss.

705
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: But again my takeaway is, okay, it's like a red

706
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: shirt freshman. I'm okay with it.

707
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 2: Well, here's my issue with the whole thing is all

708
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 2: reports have it it's his dad. You know, they say

709
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 2: pigs get fed, hawks gets slaughtered. Like you said, he

710
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 2: got four years, eight million dollars without ever playing a snap,

711
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,919
Speaker 2: where a lot of coaches, Kirby Smart does not give

712
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 2: those type contracts to high school kids, right, a lot

713
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 2: of the top coach because it's not good business. Tennessee

714
00:35:58,080 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 2: did because I think he was like second or third

715
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 2: overall recruit in the class. Arch was one. So I

716
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 2: mean the hot, the hypes, the hype was was big,

717
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 2: and that he got paid for it. I think he

718
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 2: threw twenty touchdowns last year and only nine of them

719
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 2: came in the SEC. He was not good in the

720
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 2: SECN against good teams. Yeah, So to try to renegotiate

721
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 2: off a bad year, to me, he's bad business.

722
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

723
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 2: And Dan Lanning turned him in essentially like, hey, you're

724
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 2: getting played. And I think some of these coaches because again,

725
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 2: he's not that good if he was viewed as a

726
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 2: camp if he was draft eligible. Right now, he's not

727
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 2: getting drafted in the top one hundred picks. It's all

728
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 2: projection and potential but not off actual play. And his

729
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 2: dad again two and I think it was like two

730
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 2: point two he was scheduled to make this upcoming year. Yeah,

731
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 2: what if this is one of those I forget the

732
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 2: NBA player, but he like opted out and he thought

733
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 2: he could get like eighty million dollars and ended up

734
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 2: getting like a one year eight million dollars. What if

735
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 2: he can't even get a million dollars in the transfer

736
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,399
Speaker 2: portal Because some of these coaches are gonna go, well,

737
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 2: he's a little overhyped one, and we're going to try

738
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 2: to make a statement for our big business. That's why

739
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 2: Dan Lanny called them right this is because they're like,

740
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 2: this is insane. It'd be one thing if he was

741
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 2: making one hundred thousand dollars in like, hey, the going

742
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 2: rates of million dollars, A couple of million dollars would

743
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 2: totally get it. His dad, by all accounts, leading the charge.

744
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 2: If someone needs to give that guy some business advice,

745
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 2: get Dre Rosenhouse because I think it's bad business. No

746
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 2: issue if you're an elite player, if it's Drake May

747
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago or ashing genty guys that

748
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 2: could transfer and totally get it. This guy was completely

749
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 2: underwhelming Colin, this guy was It's why I think Tennessee

750
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 2: and most people universe, they are like, this is nuts.

751
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 2: This is just dumb business. Two and a half million

752
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 2: dollars to play average football in the SEC. They were

753
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 2: a defensive team last year, which is ironic because Joshipel's

754
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 2: their coach, right.

755
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, And if josh Hipel's the coach, you would think

756
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: it's one of those things where like when Shanahan couldn't

757
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: make Trey Lance work and the Cowboys gave up before,

758
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 1: it's like that's bad gmming. Josh Hipel you would think

759
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: would be able to get the most out of this kid.

760
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 1: I think one of the things the NBA. I never

761
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: understood this about the G League. So let's not pretend

762
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,800
Speaker 1: this is the fifties, sixties or seventies where basketball players

763
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: are all starving coming into college basketball. They're not. It's

764
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: a suburb sport aau kids. The good players are all

765
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: getting taken care of. Even before nil kids were getting

766
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,919
Speaker 1: swag chefs. They're getting treated great.

767
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 2: I am yeah.

768
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: So I never understood kids that went to the G

769
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 1: League instead of going and playing for a top six

770
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: program where you're on television twenty five times. I know

771
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: Zion because he went to Duke. Would you rather take

772
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: four hundred thousand dollars for the G League or three

773
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars or take thirty five million dollars of

774
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 1: free marketing and advertising for Duke? And people say, well,

775
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 1: they didn't grow up with a lot of money. Again,

776
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: it's a year. You're not asking him to take a

777
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: seven eight year hiatus away from money. This is not like,

778
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:11,760
Speaker 1: this is not I mean again, great AU basketball players

779
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: are getting taken care of. So I kind of feel

780
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: the same way about the dad here. I don't blame

781
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 1: the kid, but it's like, if you have one good year,

782
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: if you come back to Tennessee and have thirty touchdowns,

783
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: eight picks, and you move well, you will be a

784
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: first or an early second round pick next year. Because

785
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: there's arch Manning will go number one. After that, there's

786
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 1: about five guys and they're all in the same class.

787
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: It depends how the season goes. I just think the

788
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 1: dad lacks a certain self awareness.

789
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 2: Which is understandable. A lot of these dads, a lot

790
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 2: of human beings, would not have any clue or knowledge

791
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 2: what to do in this situation. If I was one

792
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 2: of these people that had the opportunity to make a

793
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 2: million dollars and now in this world where I can

794
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 2: get real representation, I would have Tennessee, Hey, could we

795
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,720
Speaker 2: get in contact with either CAAA Rosenhaus. I'd want someone

796
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 2: real negotiating my thing, and I would imagine they're like, well,

797
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 2: Carson Beck just got four million dollars. Well, two years ago,

798
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 2: when Carson Beck had Lad McConkey and brock Bauers, a

799
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 2: lot of us thought like, this guy could be a

800
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,919
Speaker 2: first round pick. He had a really, really good year.

801
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 2: Now I think most of us also thought Miami's kind

802
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 2: of crazy. But some of these numbers that get thrown around,

803
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 2: no one truly knows what's real or not. It's pretty

804
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 2: clear like it was concrete. This guy signed an eight

805
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 2: million dollar four year deal and if he came back

806
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 2: in three years, he will have banked over six million

807
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 2: dollars in a no state income to state at I

808
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 2: don't know where Tennessee like, I don't have a great

809
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 2: feel for their roster right now. In April, I would

810
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 2: guess it's a top ten roster in college football and

811
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,919
Speaker 2: he got a pretty good chance to compete. So we'll

812
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 2: have to see where this guy ends up. But it

813
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 2: doesn't feel like Oregon, Ohio State are just lined up

814
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 2: for the kid. So if he ends up losing money,

815
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 2: not only would it be a bad business saho a

816
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,720
Speaker 2: football decision, the Tennessee's got to be on the short

817
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 2: list of great places to be a young quarterback playing

818
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 2: football in twenty twenty five.

819
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: Listen, I've learned over the course of my life, is

820
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: the young media oh as sides with the player. Oh,

821
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 1: because it's a good story and all the narrative. They

822
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: don't come from anything. We don't know that. Again, if

823
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,280
Speaker 1: you're the number one or two or three high school

824
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: football quarterback in the country, you're getting taken care of

825
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: by a lot of people. So I just think it's

826
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: one of those situations. I don't blame the kid, And

827
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: I think when I watched him, I thought, oh, yeah,

828
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: I can see it. I mean, he's got talent, but

829
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: and I.

830
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 2: Will feel he's got no fuel for the pocket. He doesn't.

831
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: That's the when you watch, like, you can say what

832
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: you want about Shadoor Sanders. He has a feel. He's

833
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: an accurate thrower of the football under duress, Like you

834
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: can tell he's quarterbacked a lot. And also Shor is

835
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: not a great enough athlete to make extra yards running around.

836
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: He's had to make hey in the pocket. And by

837
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,399
Speaker 1: the way, his dad Dion Smart. He's told that kid, kid,

838
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: you want to get rich, don't be a run around guy,

839
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: sit in the pocket and throw darts. I mean, Dion

840
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: knows what the hell's going on. So when you watch

841
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: Shadoor Sanders, you can clearly tell that he can see

842
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: the field. He's super accurate. This kid's just talented. Yeah,

843
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: but I you know, I I do think they're the

844
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: family needs to take a deep breath because I mean,

845
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: if he's great, he'll get drafted. I don't think he's great.

846
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: I just think he's talented. Okay, NFL story here, so

847
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: the people are talking about, you know, standards. It's not

848
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: a very sexy draft. But there was a Derek Carr

849
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 1: story this weekend and I'm thinking, Okay, that's where Chador

850
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:52,240
Speaker 1: is gonna go. So Derek Carr apparently may not play

851
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: this season? Did I miss the injury? Did I did?

852
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 2: Was this?

853
00:42:58,200 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: I read the story and.

854
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 2: I thought did I watched their.

855
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: Games last year? I know he was banged up. Were

856
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: you surprised at all by that story?

857
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 2: I saw some of the Saints guys saying that that

858
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 2: they didn't think it was as serious as being played

859
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 2: out and he just had injured his shoulder. And I

860
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 2: think either last year or two years ago. Did I

861
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 2: wonder if this is a classic week or two before

862
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 2: the draft, you're trying to get some information out there

863
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 2: so someone jumps you, right, so players fall to you.

864
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 2: I would be a little shocked again if, like I'm

865
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 2: with you, if something that happened that we don't know

866
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 2: because immediately like, that's a pretty big deal if you

867
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 2: The other thing is they kept him on the roster

868
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 2: when they could have cut him for forty million dollars,

869
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 2: You would think that they would add a pretty good

870
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 2: idea the health status. I just think a lot of

871
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 2: times the two weeks before the draft, you just got

872
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 2: to be very very careful with the uh, with the

873
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 2: shenanigans going on on, stories being leaked about It's why

874
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 2: I never have an issue, and I know, you know,

875
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 2: former players get really worked up. Like when an anonymous

876
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 2: GM says thing about a player, It's like, guys, there's

877
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 2: no love and war here. This is an absolute war

878
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 2: zone to try to do whatever you have to do

879
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 2: to get the player you want. No one remembers this

880
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 2: stuff in a couple months.

881
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: You know.

882
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 2: Most of this stuff is all just kind of bs anyway.

883
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 2: It's part of the game that's played in this business

884
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 2: that everyone's getting richer than they ever thought, players included,

885
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 2: So it's like nothing's that bad shador Like. Everyone knows

886
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 2: he's not a bad guy or anything. So when it's

887
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 2: like he acted a little weird in the combine things

888
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 2: like that get said every single year, and the overreaction rinse, wash, repeat,

889
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 2: it's like everyone just calmed down. The Derek Carr thing

890
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 2: felt a little like a draft story being thrown out

891
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 2: there to try to get people to manipulate spots that

892
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 2: maybe the Saints leak it out to try to get

893
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 2: someone to throw them. I don't believe much that's happening

894
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 2: right now over this last week now. I also think

895
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 2: I think that the NFL is very turned off by

896
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 2: this crop, you know, because typically you feel really good

897
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 2: about ten to fifteen guys in a draft, and listen,

898
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 2: I like Ashton gent. People think I'm being critical when

899
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 2: a five to eight running back from Boise State is

900
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 2: considered the third best talent in your draft. You got problems, Yeah,

901
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 2: you got And listen, I really like the player. I

902
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,879
Speaker 2: think taking a five eight running back when it's one

903
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 2: of the deeper drafts at that position would be insane

904
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 2: for any team in like the top twenty, that includes

905
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,760
Speaker 2: the Raiders the Cowboys taking He also played at Boise

906
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 2: State where we saw him against Penn State. Not all

907
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 2: his fault It's hard to like his greatness, you know,

908
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 2: is he Barry Sanders? Well, if you're gonna take him

909
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 2: in the top ten, he better be Barry Sanders. Or's

910
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 2: disaster because the last couple guys get drafted high, Christian McCaffrey,

911
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 2: Saquon Barkley, b John Robinson are not five eight kids

912
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 2: from Boise State. And again, really good player. His year

913
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 2: was awesome. I do think the hype on this guy

914
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 2: to draft him really high speaks to two things. One,

915
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 2: it's just I think teams are like, well, all these

916
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 2: players we don't think any of them are good, so

917
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 2: we might as well take this little guy who is

918
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 2: least good. But historically a five eight running back honestly

919
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 2: going in the first round is pretty it'd be borderline

920
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 2: on precedent, and it does not happen very often.

921
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: No. I think I've theorized John that about ten years ago,

922
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 1: when there was the CTE stories and the concussion stories

923
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: that the media had just pounced on and they were

924
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: certainly worthy stories, is that the NFL had a real

925
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 1: concern on their hands that they started targeting moms. Remember

926
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: that about ten years ago when the NFL started targeting women,

927
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: and it's really helped. They've increased their female audience significantly,

928
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 1: and that's great. That means, you know, I mean, it's

929
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: like more people that love football, the better for you

930
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: and me. But during the CTE, when they wrote that

931
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: almost billion dollar check, the NFL had a mom problem.

932
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 1: And that was about ten years ago. I know I'm imprecise,

933
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: but it was it was around there, yeah, right, yeah.

934
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 2: And.

935
00:46:53,920 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: I've talked to youth coaches and turnout has been down now,

936
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: not in Texas, maybe Georgia, Florida, Ohio, but turnout is

937
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: down and I'll throw this out there. This is the

938
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 1: first draft because kids would have been Remember they would

939
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 1: have been eight, moms, kids would have been eight. Now

940
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 1: they're eighteen or no. Kids would have been twelve when

941
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 1: you start playing football. Now now they're twenty two outside

942
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: of college. Right, So if you go ten years ago,

943
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: the twenty two year old is getting drafted twenty months

944
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,760
Speaker 1: would have been eleven and twelve when you start playing

945
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: tackle football for most kids, and moms are like, nope, nope.

946
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: Now some may have been convinced. Over the last decade,

947
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of rule changes. There's fewer concussions,

948
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: the game is safer, there's less hitting. But if you

949
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: look at when that story started ten years ago, the

950
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: kids in this class were eleven and twelve years old.

951
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: And this is a casualty of that CTE two year story.

952
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: Is that a lot of moms just said, we're not

953
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: doing it. My son's not playing football. And now there

954
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: may have been fathers as well. But I have friends

955
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles. I have a friend that lives west

956
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: of the four or five, which is kind of the

957
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 1: nicer area of La the Ritzier area, and he's like,

958
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: he goes, I'm rare. I want my kids to play football.

959
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: They transfer out of here, they go to school out

960
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,439
Speaker 1: of our zip code to go play football. He goes.

961
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: But I can almost find no parents where I live

962
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 1: in Brentwood. My friend where the kids play football, they

963
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: all play something else, golf, tennis, basketball, baseball, something else.

964
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 1: So I'm going to theorize that this is not going

965
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: to be normal. We're not going to have bad drafts constantly,

966
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: but will it become a little bit more like the

967
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: NBA or about every third or fourth draft you look

968
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: up and go, yeah, there's about seven eight great. I

969
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: mean the NBA last year's draft was weak, I mean bad.

970
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 1: If I asked you, and you're a sports guy, name

971
00:48:58,520 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 1: five guys.

972
00:48:59,080 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 2: In the truck.

973
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: No, No, I mean the WNBA draft was more memorable

974
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: than the NBA draft. So I just think I don't

975
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: remember in my lifetime a draft with this level of

976
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: star power that it has, like three. If it not

977
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: for Shoe or Sanders, I wouldn't be it wouldn't make

978
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 1: my show very often.

979
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 2: I'm gonna need a little more data before I agree

980
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 2: that that. I'm not saying that you're wrong. I do think, like,

981
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 2: look at this draft, it's gonna be There are a

982
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 2: lot of offensive and defensive linemen. They're gonna go in

983
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 2: the first round. Yeah. Those human beings can only do

984
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 2: so much athletically, right, They're not gonna play baseball. They're

985
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 2: gonna gravitate towards football. Physically you can dominate, right, So

986
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 2: it's not shocking. One thing that has I would say changed,

987
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 2: and we're never going back. I know they say sports

988
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 2: ebbs and flows, but forever, I remember we did something

989
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 2: probably like seven eight years ago in Newport like a

990
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 2: Fox iHeart get together. I remember coming down there and

991
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 2: Carson Palmer was there, and you look up and you

992
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 2: realize that. And I remember going to a out of

993
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 2: radio games when I got in the radio and that

994
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 2: the quarterbacks of his generation, Philip Rivers, Eli Roethlisberger was

995
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 2: on the higher end of athleticism, but most of them

996
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 2: were NBA looking human beings six five to sixty six

997
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,919
Speaker 2: but couldn't move. And Tom Brady said this, I could

998
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 2: only play one position in a high school football game.

999
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 2: I couldn't play any other position in the prime of

1000
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 2: my career. And Carson Palmer, like those guys can't beat

1001
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 2: any human in a foot race. On the field, including

1002
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 2: the linement, not even close. Those guys don't exist in

1003
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 2: the draft anymore. All the players at quarterback. So as

1004
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 2: that guy is he now playing golf and pitching in baseball,

1005
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 2: where for a while maybe he gravitated toward football, and

1006
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 2: now he realizes the coach only wants to Nico Emioala

1007
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 2: because he can move around, even though he can't play right.

1008
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:50,399
Speaker 2: But he's a good athlete. And you look at all

1009
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 2: these college quarterbacks. I remember going through Arch's class. Jack Arnold,

1010
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 2: I think he transferred from Oklahoma. He's at Auburn now.

1011
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 2: But the whole group were athletes. None of them were

1012
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 2: like Jared Goff. Is really the last of a dying breeze.

1013
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,280
Speaker 2: When you look at the top quarterbacks in the NFL,

1014
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 2: obviously the top dudes are all athletes. Lamar and Josh

1015
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 2: are better, but Mahomes Herbert can all move Then the

1016
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 2: Jalen hurts that even Party can move around. There is

1017
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 2: not a golf even Baker, now that he's slimmed down

1018
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 2: and got older, he's much more of a movie.

1019
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: Stafford and Goff for the last two pocket quarterbacks.

1020
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 2: But staffordhen Stafford was younger, he had much more mobility.

1021
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 2: He would have been on a better athlete than like

1022
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 2: a Palmer or an Eli. Right, that's human. That was

1023
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 2: always a number one pick or a Philip Rivers a

1024
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 2: top five pick. He just doesn't exist in football. But

1025
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 2: that athlete still exists. They're still going to be the

1026
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,320
Speaker 2: six five seventeen year old kid. Is he just throwing

1027
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 2: ninety eight and going to Florida to pitch or is

1028
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 2: he going to Arizona State to play golf? Maybe he is,

1029
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 2: but he's not playing quarterback anymore. And for you just

1030
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:53,280
Speaker 2: look at the history for my entire life, eighties, nineties,

1031
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 2: two thousand's, that guy littered the top ten in drafts,

1032
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 2: the six' five quarterback from school acts that couldn't really

1033
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 2: run but had a big, arm and not just the

1034
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 2: first round like he got drafted throughout the. Draft he

1035
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 2: just doesn't exist playing. Football you AND i watch a

1036
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 2: lot of college. Football who on a good team in

1037
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 2: college football are a good, prospect can't move Even Drew,

1038
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 2: aller who's questionable prospect but can, move, yeah right a little,

1039
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 2: Bit and he's on the lower end of athleticism for college.

1040
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: CANS i, mean A usc has a young quarterback that

1041
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: got FROM unlv AND i mean his greatest asset is

1042
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: that he. Moves he's not a guy that to this

1043
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: point in his, career he's very hit and. Message i'm

1044
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: kind of surprised how Loyal lincoln And riley's been to.

1045
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,359
Speaker 1: Him but he does move the, pocket AND i think

1046
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: that does give these smart offensive coaches about twenty five

1047
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,439
Speaker 1: percent more playbook AND i think it's an absolute. Advait

1048
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 1: that's Why stafford is so good because he doesn't get

1049
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 1: those he doesn't get movement, Right, like you have to

1050
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,280
Speaker 1: win from the pocket And matt can do. It Jared

1051
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 1: goff has to win from the. Pocket that's. WHY i,

1052
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 1: mean if you asked every coach in the league right,

1053
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: NOW i know it's only one, Year, john if you

1054
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: asked every coach in the league next ten, years pick a,

1055
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: QUARTERBACK i THINK i think that'll Take jade And. DANIELS

1056
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 1: i think that's the kid they look at and, go,

1057
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: well five of the, YEARS i don't have to pay.

1058
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: Him he moves exceptionally. Well he's, scary bizarrely poised and

1059
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 1: accuracy LIKE i watched this year and my take is

1060
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: this is not recency. Bias this kid in fourth down

1061
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 1: high leverage over, time last drive of the. Game this

1062
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: shit is. In he's just, intuitive like he just understands

1063
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: it's innate that you can't teach some of that stuff

1064
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 1: that kid does.

1065
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,720
Speaker 2: WELL i think what's Made lamar such an awesome player

1066
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 2: is he was a mobile guy that is morphed into this.

1067
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 2: Hybrid he can play in the pocket and kill. You

1068
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 2: but he wasn't like that early and he's become.

1069
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 1: That.

1070
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 2: JADEN i think a lot of people, thought, like this

1071
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 2: athlete immediately is like awesome pocket passer who also can

1072
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 2: just take off and move. Around not quite Like, lamar but.

1073
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 2: Kinda and, YEAH i just you're always gonna have to

1074
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 2: win from with in the. Pocket BUT i think now

1075
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 2: college you only get to pick you, Know parcels used to,

1076
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 2: say like the grocery store is college, football that that's

1077
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 2: where we pick the. Ingredients, well college is only giving

1078
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 2: you look at The National championship, historically when you Think

1079
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 2: Ohio state And Notre, dame you think like pocket. Quarterbacks

1080
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 2: both those guys were sprinting. Around Will howard had one

1081
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 2: of the biggest runs in the. Game, Yeah Will howard

1082
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 2: can play a little bit from the pocket, too but

1083
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 2: he's an athletic. Guy that's why when they got him

1084
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:29,919
Speaker 2: From Kansas, State you're, like this is this gonna. Work chip wants

1085
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 2: a mobile, guy and then by the playoff, run he's

1086
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 2: like really throwing well from the. Pocket but that's that's

1087
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 2: all college football is the, mobility which is. Good Like

1088
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 2: i'm not no one's being LIKE i wouldn't Want Patrick,

1089
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 2: mahomes but like it still works With Jared Goff and

1090
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 2: like if you Put Peyton manning Or Tom brady at

1091
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 2: thirty years old in this, league they would be just

1092
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:51,320
Speaker 2: fine because they get rid of the football really. Quick

1093
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 2: but you watch college, football no one plays like that.

1094
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 2: Anymore SO i do wonder if that is morphing into

1095
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 2: the kids that play football in high, school because if

1096
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,720
Speaker 2: you're a high school. COACH i don't watch much high school,

1097
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:06,720
Speaker 2: football but it does feel like all the top recruits

1098
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:07,720
Speaker 2: are all like moving.

1099
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:12,760
Speaker 1: Around, yep they are. Indisputable have you gone on your honeymoon?

1100
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 2: YET i have. Not we kind Of we were In

1101
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:17,959
Speaker 2: nashville for like a, week SO i just took a deep.

1102
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: Breath. YEAH i went to The bahamas for six days

1103
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,879
Speaker 1: and it was. Nice it was not too, hot not too.

1104
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,319
Speaker 1: Crowded it was. Nice BUT i told my wife, this

1105
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 1: we like walking in our neighborhood In. Chicago, YEAH i,

1106
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: said this sounds crazy to, say BUT i grew up

1107
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: in The Pacific northwest AND i currently reside in Southern

1108
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: california most of the. Time AND i, SAID i know

1109
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: everybody's dream is to live In hawaii and The. BAHAMAS

1110
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 1: i couldn't do. It the foods too, inconsistent the transportation

1111
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,240
Speaker 1: is hit and. Miss it was really an eye. OPENER

1112
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 1: i really had a good, time And anzo was. Fun

1113
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: BUT i told, HER i, said, like, look if you

1114
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: had that your condo redone or your house, redone where

1115
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: are you getting high end tile? Work? Like because SO

1116
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: i asked a lady that was in the, business and she, goes,

1117
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 1: well when we built this, hotel we you, know we

1118
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: shipped in we shipped in. Workers that that's and it

1119
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 1: was just funny being and again it's. Gorgeous The bahamians

1120
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 1: are wonderful. People it's. SAFE i, mean go. There BUT

1121
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: i told my, WIFE i, SAID i get tired of aqua,

1122
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: water like after about four to five, Days i'm, LIKE

1123
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 1: i need cloudy skies and fifty seven degrees AND i

1124
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 1: know that sounds crazy for a guy that lives In,

1125
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 1: arizona BUT i SAID i could never live down, here

1126
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 1: AND i have great, respect But i'm, like it's just

1127
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 1: it's not quite organized enough for. ME i need my big,

1128
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: CITY i need MY a plus. Transportation AND i learned

1129
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 1: that about. Myself that's.

1130
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 2: Vacation, yeah you, Know maria Thinks i'm kind of, Crazy

1131
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 2: LIKE i love to work because my, Work i'm not

1132
00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 2: digging ditches, here LIKE i could do it seven days a,

1133
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:02,399
Speaker 2: WEEK i don't, know three sixty. Five, yeah But i'm,

1134
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 2: LIKE i view myself Like i'm forty years, old like what.

1135
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:07,359
Speaker 2: ELSE i watched, football talk about sports LIKE i could

1136
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 2: do this.

1137
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 1: NonStop i Told anne after four, Days i'm ready to talk. Again.

1138
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 2: YEAH i really really enjoy WHAT i And i've always

1139
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 2: kind of been like that WHATEVER i was, doing BECAUSE

1140
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 2: i just kind of followed WHAT i like to. Do

1141
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 2: we Love, nashville and there is a pace though with

1142
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 2: The south that is a little. Different like, Listen i'm

1143
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 2: not there are things with the wiring of people that

1144
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 2: are from The northeast that are a little different than.

1145
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 2: Me BUT i did like the way they, pace which

1146
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 2: is one hundred miles an. Hour everywhere, same and there's

1147
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 2: there's always elements of, that like of there's A california

1148
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 2: cool to the west, coast but there is like you

1149
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 2: better be, quick like WHEN i want the, CHECK i

1150
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 2: want the, check LIKE i need. This we like things.

1151
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 2: Quick and there are parts of the country like the word.

1152
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 2: RETIREMENT i love. GOLF i MEAN i enjoy playing. IT

1153
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 2: i LIKE i love watching like talking about. IT i

1154
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 2: can play two days in a. Row it's LIKE i.

1155
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 2: Can't i'm, Done Like i'm. Good, yeah you know some

1156
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 2: of these people like they can just play golf over and.

1157
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: Over i'm, Not LIKE i can't those, people AND i

1158
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: LOVE i had so much Fun. SATURDAY i played with

1159
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 1: uh in. LAWS i had a ball AND i could

1160
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: have played the next, day but THEN i would want

1161
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: to get you, know it sounds. Wed i'm. NOT i

1162
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: don't consider myself a. Workaholic but it was really interesting

1163
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 1: being The bahamas and we went to two different. Hotels

1164
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: the people were, wonderful but that there Is AND i

1165
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 1: went To turks And keikos about four or five years

1166
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 1: ago with my kids and it was more fun then

1167
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 1: because the kids were all there and watching them enjoy.

1168
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 1: It but it is. INTERESTING i do think there's people

1169
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: down it listening to us, think, oh you didn't.

1170
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 2: Have a good.

1171
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 1: TIME i had a great. Time but it was really

1172
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: an eye opener to me AS i. Now i'm, sixty, Right,

1173
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 1: so LIKE i think about stuff like, this And i'm, like,

1174
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 1: No i'm going to retire in a cold weather climate

1175
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 1: and then cherry pick occasionally gorgeous beaches and. Resorts But

1176
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: i'm like. YOU i like the pace Of. CHICAGO i

1177
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: like the pace Of. BOSTON i like cold weather. Cities

1178
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 1: there is A i don't, know like getting up walking

1179
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: in forty eight degree, weather putting a cap on is

1180
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 1: SOMETHING i really enjoy doing and with a coffee in my.

1181
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 1: Hand AND i JUST i really discovered it about myself this.

1182
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 2: Week i'm probably. Opposite the cold is something THAT i

1183
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 2: like the pace of The. Northeast hate the, cold BUT

1184
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 2: i don't mind the.

1185
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 1: Heat.

1186
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 2: YEAH i can go on a walk in one hundred

1187
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 2: and ten degrees no problem here In. Arizona and like you,

1188
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 2: SAID i live in a desert now for several. Years the,

1189
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 2: water even WHEN i lived in The Bay, AREA i

1190
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 2: wouldn't really call that the. Ocean you. Know it's like

1191
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 2: you go to the. Beach, honestly for, me like one

1192
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,439
Speaker 2: thing golf's been really good for me in this area

1193
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 2: is like meeting people and social. Life And i've met

1194
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 2: a lot of like just high level people THAT i

1195
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 2: would not have met without. It that value to me

1196
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 2: in a place where WHEN i moved, HERE i don't

1197
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 2: know anyone here besides like Through maria has been really.

1198
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 2: Valuable so many people that have listened to the podcast

1199
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 2: reach out and bte me to their club or just

1200
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 2: just meet normal. People and it's it's a very comfortable, situation, Like,

1201
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 2: hey you want to come play. Golf never met a

1202
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 2: human you show, Up you typically have a pretty normal

1203
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 2: interaction to someone that spends a lot of time by

1204
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 2: himself in an office watching and talking about. Sports it's

1205
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 2: good to, socialize But i'm with. YOU i don't you.

1206
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 2: KNOW i Like hawaii as much as the next. Guy

1207
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 2: but IF i don't go for five, YEARS i don't

1208
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:21,439
Speaker 2: spend that much time thinking about.

1209
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:26,479
Speaker 1: It John, middlecoff FORMER nfl, Scout good to talk, again,

1210
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 1: buddy you two calling see it