1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travison buck Sexton 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: Show podcast. Welcome in Clay Travison buck Sexton Show. I 3 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: hope all of you are having fantastic Wednesdays wherever you 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: may be across this great country or this great land. 5 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:18,799 Speaker 1: I am Clay Travis, he is Buck Sexton, and we 6 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: have got an absolute bevy of show topics to dive 7 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: into over the next three hours. Encourage you to go 8 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: follow the show at Clay and Buck on Twitter can 9 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: follow me at Clay Travis. You can follow at buck 10 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: Sexton Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, wherever you may be across the 11 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 1: social media universe, and the social media universe now officially 12 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: becoming under siege buck Sexton. As less than an hour ago, 13 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: Donald Trump announced that he is going to be suing Facebook, 14 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,319 Speaker 1: he is going to be suing Google. He is going 15 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: to be suing Twitter and all of their CEOs, as 16 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: well as sundry other aspects associated with the banning of 17 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: Trump from social media sites. I believe, buck Sexton, this 18 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 1: is the biggest story in tech. I have been waiting 19 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 1: for this to happen ever since the collusive decision to 20 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 1: concertedly ban Donald Trump occurred. Across all tech platforms simultaneously 21 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: back in January, and I didn't know whether Trump himself 22 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: was ever going to file a lawsuit over this. But 23 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: I believe that this case or a version of this case, 24 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: will eventually be decided by the Supreme Court, and I 25 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: believe it will be the most far reaching and important 26 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: decision as it pertains to big tech censorship and the 27 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: power of big tech companies to decide who is on 28 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: their platforms and who is not in this entire era 29 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: of big tech dominance. I think this is a significant 30 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: step by Trump. Now it will take years, I believe, potentially, 31 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: for there to be a full resolution of this story. 32 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: But I believe that our democracy. Everybody wants to talk 33 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: about the insurrection. I believe the far bigger threat to 34 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: our democracy than anything that went on on January sixth 35 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 1: is the response to January sixth, in particular in big tech, 36 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: and that this is going to be a seminal moment 37 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: when people look back. And some people may think I'm 38 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: crazy on this, but I believe when people look back, 39 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 1: that the biggest impact of the Trump presidency could end 40 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: up being challenged a big tech over his banning. Do 41 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: you think I'm crazy for this idea, Buck Sexton. Well, no, 42 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: because the most powerful media organizations in the world, without question, 43 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 1: are the Silicon Valley giants, the oligarchs of the Bay Area, Google, Facebook, Twitter, 44 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,239 Speaker 1: you know, Amazon, in a different way that they don't 45 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: even nothing else even comes close. You know, we used 46 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: to in the nineties the two thousands, conservatives talked about 47 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: the mainstream media, and I agree with those who say, no, 48 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: let's call it the corporate democrat media. Why why give 49 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: them that elevation of well, their mainstream That means others 50 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: are out of the mainstream. But that was the term 51 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 1: we used for what felt like a cabal of these 52 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: different corporations, you know, ABC, CBS, NBC and then CNN, MSNBC, 53 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 1: all these different media entities on TV, and then obviously 54 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 1: print and digital, the New York Times, Washington Post. They 55 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: had power to influence the national conversation. They were biased 56 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: against conservatives. But now with big tech, this actually is 57 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: giving back, has given back the left wing advantage, the 58 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: democrat advantage in communications that things like talk radio and 59 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: the Internet initially balanced out a bit, and the rise 60 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: of Fox News and other entities. Now they've been able 61 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: to reass establish a kind of information dominance that we 62 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: see with a former president, actually while he was president, 63 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: still being kicked off the most powerful communication platforms on 64 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: the planet. I mean, you know, we have the FCC. 65 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: There are things that you and I can't say on radio. 66 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: There are all kinds of rules and restrictions about what 67 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: can go on TV and political ads, and you know 68 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:26,720 Speaker 1: what donors have to be well that just came up 69 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court recently, But what donors have to be shown? 70 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: Why do we allow why have we allowed the Internet 71 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: to be this monolith of left wing control. Finally, I 72 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: think now conservatives understand this. Whether you're on Twitter or 73 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: Facebook or not doesn't matter because of the advantage this 74 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: gives politically to the left. This is the central free 75 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,799 Speaker 1: speech fight in America today, no question about it. And 76 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 1: what's so challenging about all this is I think initially 77 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg wanted to be a free speech guy. I 78 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: really do, because in the discussion about Holocaust denialism, if 79 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: you remember that discourse, he was pretty expansive in what 80 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: he was allowing people to post on his platform. But 81 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: as we have seen, the curtailment of debate in this 82 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 1: country a modern day McCarthyism. The veil descend upon this country. 83 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: Much of it has played out on Twitter, on Facebook, 84 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: on social media in particular. And to meet Buck, the 85 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 1: decision to ban the New York Post was a crossing 86 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: the rubicon moment for tech in terms of not allowing 87 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: that story to be disseminated, and it directly led to 88 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 1: the decision to ban the exiting president of the United States. 89 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,119 Speaker 1: And I talked. I testified in front of the House 90 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: Judiciary Subcommittee investigating Big Tech back in March as a witness, 91 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: and I was excited to be able to go there. 92 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: And the analogy I drew Buck is we are in 93 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: a modern day era where back in the day Rockefeller, JP, Morgan, Carnegie, Stanford, 94 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: all of these different barons of industry. As we became 95 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: a national country with the railroads and with steel and 96 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: everything else, those men and Ford, all those men became 97 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: wildly powerful and basically we're able to pick presidents and 98 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 1: then we needed a robust and to trust law to 99 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: start to break up the power of those individuals. That's 100 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: where we are right now, Buck, And what I would say, 101 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:35,359 Speaker 1: and I understand there's people out there listening to us 102 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: right now say we'll just get off Twitter, just get 103 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: off Facebook, just get off social media because there is 104 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: a conservative argument, or go found your own version, which 105 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: is another discussion I think we need to get into. 106 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 1: But most cogently, what we need is to acknowledge that 107 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: if Facebook and Twitter, and Instagram and all, if YouTube, 108 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: all these different platforms have the ability to ban the 109 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: sinning president of the United States. It is a clarion 110 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: call for those of us who care about robust debate 111 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: and the First Amendment at all to fight the good fight. 112 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: And I believe this is the fight that Donald Trump 113 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: should be fighting. I applaud him for filing these lawsuits 114 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: and bucks some people are gonna listen to me and 115 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: they're gonna say that I'm crazy. I believe because because 116 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: immediately you know what the New York Times gonna say, 117 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: and you know what the Washington Post, an, MSNBC and 118 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: CNN are gonna say, they're gonna dismiss this lawsuit. I 119 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: believe that this lawsuit will go to the very foundation 120 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: of big tech power. And I think before all is 121 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: said and done, and it will take years, but I 122 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: think this will go all the way to the Supreme Court. 123 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: And there will be a ruling which has to take 124 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: into account the town square elements, the public utility arguments 125 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: about whether or not we can see a banning of 126 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: Donald Trump take place like we have seen so far. 127 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: I applaud him for filing the lawsuit, and I believe 128 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: this is going to be a historic day when we 129 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: look back in terms of its overall impact in the 130 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: years to come. There is a degree of urgency to 131 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: this though as well. And obviously if it just goes 132 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: to the normal course of the legal system, it will 133 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: take a very, very long time. And I also think 134 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: everyone should should understand and we got we got to 135 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: know our enemies, so to speak, our adversary in this 136 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: legal fight. Endless resources. Endless resources, I mean they if 137 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: you're talking about a company that can spend money not 138 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: just on the best lawyers, but as many lawyers and 139 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: as many procedural delays and tactics as possible, you know, 140 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: going to legal war with Google and Facebook and these 141 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: other companies isn't going to be an easy task for anyone. 142 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,719 Speaker 1: I think, I think the Trump folks understand that. But 143 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:59,079 Speaker 1: just to put everyone's perspective in the right place on it. 144 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: But then Member that we have a midterm election in 145 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: the next year coming up next year in the cycle, 146 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: we have President Trump party out there in the campaign trail. 147 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: There are going to be challenges now. People are going 148 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: to start to say, well, hold on a second, how 149 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: is it that you could have the former president and 150 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: for many still the de facto leader of the Republican 151 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: Party not allowed access to the same public square. And 152 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 1: if we're not a willing to treat these companies like 153 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: utilities or start to force utility like regulations on them, 154 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: people are saying, you know, the phone company for example, 155 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 1: or whatever the case may be, then breaking them up 156 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: as monopolies also has to happen. But there's another big 157 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: challenge here. I mean, I'm with you that it's great 158 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: that Trump is taking this action and it forces a 159 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: national conversation. There are a lot of Republicans because I 160 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: remember this in the last two years, the Trump administration 161 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: who talk tough on this issue, and then you find 162 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: out that they've actually taken some really nice money from 163 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: it's actually Alphabet that owns Google, the company that but 164 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: they've taken campaign donations, or they have some business interest 165 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: or some future business interest. Even I mean the ability 166 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: of big tech not only to influence the national political conversation, 167 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: but also to act as oligarchs in previous societies throughout 168 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:20,079 Speaker 1: history where they can induce, they can seduce, they can 169 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: get people to come over to their side who are 170 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: supposed to be the champions of free speech and conservative value. 171 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: So I just want to make sure that everyone watches 172 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: which members of Congress because there are Republicans I can 173 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: tell you right now who will surprise you as sellouts 174 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: on this because you want to talk about elites. You 175 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: want to talk about people that can throw really good 176 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: things your way if they choose to the heads of 177 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: these tech companies are I mean, really, they're like the 178 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: new They're like the digital royals. I mean they they 179 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: operate in this sphere of wealth and influence and power 180 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:55,559 Speaker 1: that's really hard to comprehend. I mean, they're almost like 181 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: nation states unto themselves. Your one hundred percent right on 182 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: all that, and that is why they need to be 183 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: attacked and broken up. And look, I'm a capitalist. I 184 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:10,959 Speaker 1: believe in success in using markets to drive your business 185 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: as large as it can possibly go. But I also 186 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: know people want to talk all the time about the 187 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: foundations of democracy. You hit on something that I think 188 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: has to be unpacked to a large extent in twenty 189 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: twenty two and twenty twenty four. Imagine, let's say that 190 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: Donald Trump is the nominee in twenty twenty four. Imagine 191 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 1: if there is a digital army of Democrats attacking Donald 192 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: Trump all day long on social media and he's not 193 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: allowed to fire back. Your analogy, I think is a 194 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: good one of public utilities in town square. I want 195 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: to discuss that in greater detail when we come back, 196 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: because I do think it's massively significant. We don't really 197 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 1: understand the technology that we have wrought. It's Frankenstein like 198 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: in the way that social media has grown and tech 199 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: has grown, and I think we're just starting to realize 200 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: how many of these issues have metastasized into something massive, 201 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: and I think we need to discuss this in greater 202 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,199 Speaker 1: detail when we come back. We'll also, by the way, 203 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: open up the phone lines if you guys have questions 204 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: about this. Eight hundred two eight two eight eight two 205 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: Donald Trump going to war with big Tech. But in 206 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: the meantime, it doesn't matter what your politics are or 207 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: who you vote for. Everyone should have the right to 208 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: express themselves freely. Sadly, the big tech monopoly has instead 209 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: opted for silencing tactics and censorship. 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Clay Travis and 232 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 1: Buck Sex to the inspired by Rush on the EIB 233 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 1: network Today, in conjunction with the America First Policy Institute, 234 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: I'm filing as the lead class representative a major class 235 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: action lawsuit against the big tech giants including Facebook, Google, 236 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: and Twitter, as well as their CEO's Mark Zuckerberg. Sunder 237 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: But Jay and Jack Dorsey, three real nice guys. Welcome 238 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: back to Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show. There you 239 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: had the presidents announcing and this is Buck, by the way, 240 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: you're the president announcing this lawsuit that Clay and I 241 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: are talking about. And Clay, I just want to point 242 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: out everybody that it's not even just the banning that 243 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: we need to be very aware of. I mean, that's 244 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: obviously a clear manifestation of the political bias that we're 245 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: all talking about, but it's also the use of back 246 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: end algorithms to elevate and suppress shadow banning. The way 247 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: that for all of COVID, and I want to remind 248 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: everybody during the COVID pandemic they suppressed. That was the 249 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: first time that social media was openly suppressing. They had 250 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: been suppressing conservatives for years, and they kept saying disingenuously, Oh, 251 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: it was an accident, right, I mean you've probably seen 252 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: this when they had Oh, we didn't mean to ban that. 253 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: It just so happened to be conservatives. Every time they 254 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: did this openly under the health emergency rubric with COVID, 255 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: including on things like the lab League theory where they 256 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: were just flatly wrong. So they suppressed on the basis 257 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: of public health things that turned out to be true 258 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: and elevated things that turned out to be likely untrue. 259 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: And now you just had there was barely a whisper 260 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: about this. Clay. Facebook is doing this anti extremism warning testing. 261 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: Have you seen this is in recent days where they'll 262 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: tell you what do you think you or someone you 263 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: know they have been exposed to extremist thought, And I'm like, well, 264 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: at what point is extremist thought anti CRT? At what 265 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: point is extremist thought teaching about Marxism and totalitarianism and 266 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: the hundreds of millions murdered and enslaved in living memory 267 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: by those ideologies. That's what I want to know when 268 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: we're talking about big tech. Yeah, And to your point, Buck, 269 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: the algorithms drive discussion in a fundamentally artificial way because 270 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: the algorithms have been designed to favor left wing causes. 271 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: And then the media, which already overwhelmingly trends left wing, 272 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: looks at what stories are populated on social media as 273 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: a reflection of what people in the real world are 274 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: talking about. And let me try to make an analogy 275 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: here that I think is significant that people need to understand. 276 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: And this is me thinking about it from a legal perspective, 277 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: because I think this class action lawsuit that Donald Trump 278 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: has filed will eventually end up at the Supreme Court. 279 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 1: I really do over trying to figure out how to 280 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: draw the line as it pertains to censorship, big tech, banning, 281 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:18,719 Speaker 1: and all of those things. There isn't a great example 282 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: historically of the power that big tech has, but there 283 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: is an analogy based on if people remember back in 284 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: the day, it's not as common now. There used to 285 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 1: be company owned towns. So if you had a big factory, 286 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: the company might well on property that it owned build 287 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: housing that people could live on. Inside of that universe, 288 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 1: you did not lose your right to free speech. Because 289 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: you happen to live in a company owned town. It 290 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: was a necessity of life in order to work at 291 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: these factories that you might not be able to afford 292 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 1: buck Sex than any other place where you could live. 293 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 1: And so the Supreme Court in a series of cases 294 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: had to analyze First Amendment there. And we can continue 295 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: to talk about that when we come back. Let's come 296 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:18,679 Speaker 1: back into more. There's just so much here. But you know, 297 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:22,439 Speaker 1: we all have an obligation, a sacred obligation to those 298 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 1: who served. And that's what the Tunnel to Towers Foundation does. 299 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: They help us keep our commitment to never forget. 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That's t the number two t dot org. 313 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 1: You're listening to Clay Travis and Buck Sexton fund the 314 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: EIMB network walcome back. I'm Clay Travis. You are listening 315 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 1: to the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, and we 316 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: are rolling through massive news that I would say could 317 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 1: linger and continue to resonate for years to come. Donald Trump, 318 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: in what I think is the most important battle of 319 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: all the battles that he could possibly fight, has filed 320 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: a lawsuit against Facebook, Twitter, Google for the bannings that 321 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: have occurred on social networking sites Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube. 322 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: So suing also all of the individual CEOs Buck Sex 323 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: and this could also be big because getting those tech 324 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: CEOs under oath and making them discuss all of the 325 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: decision making surrounding the decision to ban Donald Trump could 326 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 1: also further illuminate anti conservative bias inside of these companies. 327 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: I love everything about this lawsuit. I just want to 328 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: say we have to remember that Trump with Twitter, took 329 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,679 Speaker 1: a favorite tool of the left and the Democrats and 330 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: used it back against them in a way that they 331 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: weren't expecting. One of the great things of the Trump 332 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: of the Trump era. Honestly, some of the most genius 333 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: aspects of his political maneuvering had to do with a 334 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: kind of jiu jitsu. He would take what they were 335 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: doing and throw it back at them. A perfect example. 336 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 1: This is a lot of folks forget now because he 337 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 1: so successfully did it with fake news. Fake news initially 338 00:20:56,040 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 1: was something that the corporate Democrat media was calling out 339 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 1: out because of the Russian bots on Facebook and that 340 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 1: the Trump voters were believing the fake news. And then 341 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: Trump said, you know what, you the corporate media are 342 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: the fake news. And they went, you know, apoplex, and 343 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,160 Speaker 1: they freaked out about that. That of course upset them 344 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: to no end because they're they're both hyper sensitive and 345 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: very ego driven. That's always true of the corporate journals. 346 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 1: But on this on Twitter, all of a sudden, the 347 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,919 Speaker 1: President created a workaround to his you know, roughly eighty 348 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: I don't know the final number, but it was something 349 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: like eighty million followers and no longer had to go 350 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: through the filter of some you know bullcrap. You know, 351 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 1: a corporate media interview, some sit down with one of 352 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:48,120 Speaker 1: the broadcast cable station of broadcast stations. Rather where they 353 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: cut the interview, they edited, maybe they presented it in in 354 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: a certain way, they asked the questions. Trump being able 355 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: to take the message directly to his base was something 356 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: that they had to shut down and clay. The whole 357 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,919 Speaker 1: erection and the election and all this stuff was the 358 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: excuse because not only did they feel like Trump had 359 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: taken their toy away, they had to make sure that 360 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: in the early months of the Biden presidency, you wouldn't 361 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 1: have this massive Trumpian megaphone blasting sleepy Joe. I mean, 362 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 1: look at the look at the Biden administration as it 363 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 1: is right now without Trump being able to reach all 364 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 1: those people. I mean, just think, can you imagine the jokes, 365 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 1: imagine the hashtags that Trump would get started about Biden. 366 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: The one thing these leftist authoritarians can never, can, never 367 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,360 Speaker 1: tolerate is mockery. And that's what Trump went after them 368 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 1: with two no doubt, And to your point, social media 369 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: is a natural evolution in the twentieth and into the 370 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: twenty first century. Franklin Roosevelt, obviously, with his fireside chats, 371 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 1: used radio, much to his benefit, a new communication device 372 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 1: to reach directly into homes, which is what we are 373 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 1: still using today a hundred years later. Memorably, John F. 374 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 1: Kennedy against Richard Nixon in the first televised presidential debate. 375 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 1: People who listen to that debate believed Nixon had won. 376 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 1: People who watched believed Kennedy had won. Television and I think, 377 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: mastered in many ways by Ronald Reagan, changed the way 378 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: that the president communicated with the American public yet again. 379 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,120 Speaker 1: And now social media, and I think Trump's mastery in 380 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 1: many ways, intuitively in his nature to use social media 381 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 1: to reach his audience was an incredible value proposition that 382 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: he brought to bear in the world of politics. And 383 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 1: as you said, Buck cut out the middleman and went 384 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 1: directly to his audience as opposed to relying on other 385 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: forms of corporate media to disseminate his message, which may 386 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: have been done so in an inaccurate fashion. Now, the challenge, 387 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: obviously with Trump and social media in general, is there's 388 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 1: a lot of people out there listening to us right 389 00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: now that wanted the good Trump on social media without 390 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: the bad Trump on social media. And I do think 391 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:07,199 Speaker 1: his usage of social media was not as adroit and 392 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,719 Speaker 1: tactical as it could have been. But what do you 393 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: expect from a seventy five year old guy. I think 394 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:17,199 Speaker 1: there are younger versions of political impressionists who were going 395 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: to do a better job of Do you remember whatever Trump? 396 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: I mean? I'm sure you got the Trump retweet sometimes 397 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: and I remember what that happened to me. The only 398 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 1: the way I would know is because all of a sudden, 399 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 1: all of my inboxes would be filled with like c 400 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 1: list actors cursing at me, and all of a sudden, 401 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 1: you know out of the woodwork that the lunatic leftist 402 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 1: they'll descend on you like a plague of locusts. They'll 403 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 1: come after you because a Trump retweet means they're all good. 404 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: Because every journal you could not have been up on 405 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: the news cycle during the Trump presidency, You couldn't have 406 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 1: been following it closely enough if you worked in politics 407 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,439 Speaker 1: without following that Twitter account. That was the kind of 408 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: power that he had there. He made Twitter more relevant 409 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 1: as a company than it would otherwise have, which I 410 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: think is also interesting when you look at all this. 411 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: But here, let's there's a little more from his announcement today, 412 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 1: the former president talking about it. Play it. We're asking 413 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: the US District Court for the Southern District of Florida 414 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: to order an immediate halt to social media companies a 415 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: legal shameful censorship of the American people. And that's exactly 416 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 1: what they are doing. We're demanding an end to the 417 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 1: shadow banning, a stop to the silencing, and a stop 418 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: to the blacklisting, banishing, and canceling that you know so well. 419 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: Our case will prove this censorship is unlawful, it's unconstitutional, 420 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,679 Speaker 1: and it's completely Unamerican. We all know that, we know, 421 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: we'll know that very very well. Play Let's assume for 422 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: a second that it would be possible to get a 423 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 1: judge to give injunctive relief. And one of the big 424 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 1: problems under the Trump years was that all it took 425 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 1: was one lunatic activist judge to do a universal injunction 426 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 1: and to effectively block nullify temporarily a Trump administration, an 427 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,199 Speaker 1: issue that was happening over and over again. You know, 428 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: the Ninth Circus would do the crazy stuff that they do. 429 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 1: Even lower courts would do that, Clay, if we got 430 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: injunctive relief here, if Trump's lost it, which is clearly 431 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: asking he's laying out some of things they're asking for, 432 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 1: what would that even look like? I mean, I think 433 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 1: this is one of the problems we have right because 434 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: you're trying to enforce a speech standard of neutrality. How 435 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: does that really how does that really look? How does 436 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,360 Speaker 1: that really go? It's a fascinating question. And that's why 437 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,439 Speaker 1: I think this ultimately Buck goes all the way to 438 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court, because I think the Supreme Court in 439 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 1: a social media and digital era, and you're already seeing 440 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: people on the court. Clarence Thomas has done it for sure, 441 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,360 Speaker 1: and Silberman, I believe it was in the DC District 442 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: Court wrote an incredibly interesting piece basically saying, hey, we 443 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,239 Speaker 1: need to over turn New York Times v. Sullivan and 444 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: basically our First Amendment jurisprudence doesn't fit the current tech 445 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 1: industry in which we are in. I do think it's 446 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,199 Speaker 1: significant to your point, Buck, he's filing this lawsuit in 447 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: a federal district court in South Florida. I don't know 448 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: which judge will end up with it, but think where 449 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 1: was Trump's strongest market in terms of his growth in 450 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty elections South Florida. Trump flipped effectively in 451 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: Miami Dade County. So many voters in twenty sixteen who 452 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: had gone for Hillary Clinton, the Cuban, the Venezuelan element, 453 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 1: they all started going for Trump. Now, if you could 454 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 1: get a district court judge to look at this and 455 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: immediately rule that Trump is being harmed by not being 456 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: able to reach his audience, that also Facebook and Twitter 457 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: are violating the terms in YouTube of their of their 458 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: universe under the existing guidelines. This could get really interesting 459 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: in a hurry, because a federal district court judge would 460 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 1: have the ability, in theory if they bought into this case, 461 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: to argue that Trump had the ability to get access 462 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: back to his Twitter account. Where is that Twitter account 463 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: even being saved? For instance, buck are those eighty five 464 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 1: million Twitter followers frozen in amber in the servers at Twitter? 465 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: I don't know. Can they flip a switch and suddenly 466 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,640 Speaker 1: it's back to normal. And let's also remember that there 467 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: were lawsuits brought against Trump for blocking people, yes and there, 468 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: and there were judges who said not allowed. This is 469 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: a private platform. But he's a public figure on this 470 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: private platform and you're not allowed to be blocked. So 471 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: they've already set the oppressed right here for a judge 472 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: weighing in and telling Twitter what you know, we're telling 473 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: an individual using Twitter what you can and can't do, 474 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: so you're all. All it takes is one judge here, 475 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: and that would it would be a fascinating situation. I 476 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: just have concerns about. Look, reinstatement would be the injunctive 477 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: relief they want. I get that, but what does it mean? 478 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: You know, how do we actually have this going forward 479 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: other than a handshake agreement where you won't show bias. 480 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: What's the legal you know, you start to get into 481 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: what would effectively be antidiscrimination language for political belief right, 482 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: we use this in other places public accommodations and so 483 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: on and so forth. What about for political beliefs? That's 484 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: something that some states have already started to consider. Well, 485 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: and remember Florida has filed a laws, has passed a 486 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: law Ron de Santis. They did, yeah, banning the behavior 487 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: that has occurred here with Trump. So this is I mean, 488 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: there are going to be a lot of people in 489 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: the mainstream corporate left media who are going to say, oh, 490 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 1: this lawsuit is dead on arrival. I'm telling you the opposite. 491 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: I'm telling you that a lawsuit like this and some 492 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: version of it is going to go all the way 493 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: to the Supreme Court and body blow. I believe in 494 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 1: a big way all of the power at big tech. 495 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: One of the principles that we continue to have here 496 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 1: on the Clay, Travis and Buck Section show is to 497 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: bring you opportunities to save money and get great service, 498 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: great products. This this is just a central premise we 499 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 1: have for you. Why do you want to overpay for 500 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: self service? I mean, think about that and how much 501 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: are you really overpaying? What if I told you about 502 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 1: eight hundred dollars a year on average, you could save 503 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: over eight hundred dollars a year by making a very 504 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: simple switch to pure talk. Because the big wireless providers 505 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:34,959 Speaker 1: they charge you for all kinds of stuff. You've all 506 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: seen it, Clay, You've seen right. Sometimes they'll slip some 507 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: seven dollar charge for your Look what is this some 508 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: switching from tower one to tower two charge. 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Can we 529 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: put stories if you're like, oh, what were they just 530 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 1: talking about? What was that Storyclanbuck dot com. And as 531 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: we're talking about social media, follow us. It's a way 532 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: we can communicate with you all the time. Clay Travis 533 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: on Twitter and Facebook. Buck Sexton. That's me on Twitter 534 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 1: and Facebook. If you're not already following me on Instagram, 535 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: ask yourself why I post photos of Tulula the French bulldog. 536 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,719 Speaker 1: That's really the only thing that's worthwhile there. But come 537 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: check out my Instagram buck Sexton. All right, Terry in 538 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: York County, Virginia, Terry, Welcome to Clay Travison buck Sexton Show. Well, 539 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 1: thank you, guys. I hope you're doing well. I don't 540 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: really have a dog in this fight because I voted 541 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: for Trump, but I voted for my four oh one 542 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: k and I'm not on social media, so I don't 543 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: pay attention to what he said or didn't say. I 544 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 1: think it's probably unfair to keep him off. But I'm 545 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: buying popcorn for this because you can get into the 546 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 1: injunctive phase, you get into summary judgment when they get 547 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 1: to discovery. I assume his lawyers have told him they're 548 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: going to ask him everything in the world. He doesn't 549 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,959 Speaker 1: want to answer about that January six event. Yeah, but 550 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 1: I do not answering. Yeah, I don't think that that's 551 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: an interesting point. Are you a lawyer? Terry somewhat. Yeah, 552 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: I joined the club. So I think it's I think 553 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 1: it's a really interesting point. What I would say is, 554 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: I think the big tech CEOs have far more to 555 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 1: lose answering questions under oath than Trump does, because by 556 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 1: and large Trump has already had every single thing that 557 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: he did surrounding the January sixth incident looked at in 558 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: minute detail, whereas the tech companies have it. And I'll 559 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 1: say this book, the filing of this lawsuit and making 560 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 1: it a class action also may go a long way 561 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:48,719 Speaker 1: towards discouraging Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube from additional bands because 562 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 1: now somebody is punching back in a big way. Yeah, 563 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 1: and now you raise the cost of doing this stuff, 564 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: and that's been that's been important. I think go along 565 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: is that they do have to make some level of 566 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: business decision here. But let's also remember there's these companies 567 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 1: Google where they had people at the top level, I 568 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 1: mean the CEO at the time had a town hall 569 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,320 Speaker 1: where they all had a cry They had a cry session. 570 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 1: They were actually crying, adults crying because Trump won the 571 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen elections. This is on video, you can see it. 572 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: They're like, oh, don't worry. We're not all gonna die. 573 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,880 Speaker 1: You know, it was crazy, but they run these companies, 574 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:22,839 Speaker 1: so let's not forget that. Terry, thank you very much 575 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 1: for calling in. And we got Brock in the Texas Panhandle, 576 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: not to be confused with the Florida Panhandle. Brock, thanks 577 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 1: so much. Hey, fellas, you did a good job. Hey, 578 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 1: I just want to get right to it. There's something 579 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,399 Speaker 1: that we all got to remember. President Trump doesn't do things. 580 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 1: He didn't fly by the seat of his pants. He 581 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 1: all he always has things set. He's got his ducks 582 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 1: in a row, and I tell you what, he's got 583 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 1: an ace in the hole. We all know what James 584 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 1: o'keith has done in the past. I bet you he's 585 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 1: got moles and all these companies. I bet he's got documentation. 586 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 1: I bet he's got things that people have laid out 587 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:59,839 Speaker 1: and have evidence of them banning him. I guarantee you 588 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: he he's not going in this half hearted hero Brock. 589 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 1: I mean, we know he's banned, but they're they're open 590 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 1: about the band parts, so that that part of it 591 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,240 Speaker 1: everyone agrees on. I do think that that that Brock 592 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 1: is right about the potential for people inside of Facebook 593 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,879 Speaker 1: and Twitter to be able to speak as YouTube as 594 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,800 Speaker 1: well about the environment under which the banning occurred. You know, 595 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,799 Speaker 1: I haven't brought we haven't even brought up YouTube this hour, 596 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 1: and I just which is also under the you know 597 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 1: Google under alphabet. YouTube is the dominant news, news and 598 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 1: information source for people under the age of thirty these days. 599 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,759 Speaker 1: I mean, YouTube is it's where people are finding the 600 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 1: voices they follow. It's where and they are ruthless about 601 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:46,240 Speaker 1: banning conservatives. You say anything about the twenty twenty election, 602 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,319 Speaker 1: you say anything about masks, You're you're gone. I mean 603 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 1: they'll they'll just kick you, and they don't care who 604 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: you are. So every conservative now there's a chilling effect 605 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,720 Speaker 1: on speech because you don't want to lose your business 606 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 1: or you don't want to lose your voice, even if 607 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 1: you're just a person who wants to have a YouTube channel. 608 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 1: You're right on undred percent about YouTube. My kids are 609 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:08,359 Speaker 1: they don't ever watch television. They're on YouTube all day long, everyday. Buck. 610 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 1: It's where they go to get almost all of their news. 611 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:23,320 Speaker 1: I mean, it's wild. What about let's see Martin in Pratt, Kansas. Martin, 612 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 1: are you there with us? Yeah? What's you got for you. Hey, Yeah, 613 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,839 Speaker 1: I just had a thought that you know, I think 614 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 1: it's great what President Trump's doing, and I hope it 615 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 1: ends up costing these companies millions, and I hope that 616 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 1: at the end of it all, it sets a precedent 617 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 1: that mandates the upholding of you know, our constitutional right 618 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,799 Speaker 1: to freedom of speech. But I think that you know, 619 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 1: of the millions of people that voted for Trump, of 620 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 1: which I'm warn any and all that have had any 621 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 1: banning or censorship for many of these companies, I think 622 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 1: y'all jump on board and band together and follow our 623 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 1: own lawsuits against these companies. And all right, Martin, thank 624 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,880 Speaker 1: you so much for sharing. Unfortunately, it's gonna have to 625 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,360 Speaker 1: cost billions, not millions, for these companies to care. Probably 626 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,480 Speaker 1: ten Well. It's also a class action, Buck, so that's 627 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,279 Speaker 1: what they want everybody to say. It's gonna have to 628 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,759 Speaker 1: be big time money. CRT critical race theory. We are 629 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 1: going to dive into that fight with you coming up 630 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:26,800 Speaker 1: here in just a few minutes. You're listening to Clay 631 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:38,240 Speaker 1: Travis and Buck Sexton on the EIB Network