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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to.

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Speaker 2: Battle Around.

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Speaker 1: This is a pro wrestling podcast with a hint of

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Speaker 1: pop culture. Joined Battle and Eli as they'd break down

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Speaker 1: the world of professional wrestling and pop culture with special

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Speaker 1: guests including wrestlers and comedians. And you never know who's

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Speaker 1: gonna stop up.

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Speaker 3: Now making their way to the microphones, give it up

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Speaker 3: for the greatest podcast tag team in the world, Battle

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Speaker 3: and Eli.

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Speaker 4: It is a great day. Why Well, that's because we're back.

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Speaker 4: And when I say we, I mean Eli is in

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Speaker 4: here and I'm not all alone.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, Hello.

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Speaker 4: It is great to hear Eli's voice finally on the podcast.

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Speaker 4: Last week, I was by myself. It was so miserable

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Speaker 4: and I was so lonely.

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Speaker 2: I was in the Magic Kingdom.

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Speaker 4: Hey you guys, I was having so much FOMO. But

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Speaker 4: I just kept watching all the insist stories and it's

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Speaker 4: a great thing.

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Speaker 2: I will say, an exciting show today.

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Speaker 4: The World's Most Dangerous Man and I'm not talking about

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Speaker 4: Mike Tyson. I'm talking about Ken freaking Shamrock is gonna

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Speaker 4: be on the show. UFC Legend WWF. I'm saying WWF,

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Speaker 4: not wwe WWF Legend is on the show.

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Speaker 2: Today.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he's underrated.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people, you know, because he

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Speaker 2: was only in.

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Speaker 5: Ww for like WWF for like three years, and but

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Speaker 5: I mean he was awesome, man.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he had a hell of a career. And

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Speaker 4: I'm just kind of looking at my watch, just tapping it,

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Speaker 4: waiting for them to announce and this year's inductee into

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Speaker 4: the WWE Hall of Fame, Ken Shamrock. It's got to happen, Like,

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Speaker 4: can we start a hashtag saying like Ken Shamrock Hall

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Speaker 4: of Fame or something?

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Speaker 5: And I don't know, you know, I'm pretty sure they

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Speaker 5: left on decent terms. But you know, I mean, it

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Speaker 5: took him thirty years, but much of it in so true.

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Speaker 4: That is true for those of you that are just now,

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Speaker 4: I guess listening to this podcast. We really didn't jump

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Speaker 4: into what this podcast is about, but you probably already

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Speaker 4: guessed this podcast is about wrestling. I'm Battle and we

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Speaker 4: just sit here and talk wrestling and pop culture and everything,

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Speaker 4: and we have guests stop by from time to time.

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Speaker 2: So let's just go ahead and jump right into it.

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Speaker 4: Aw sold out their event that's happening in Chicago and

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Speaker 4: August thirty first.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I didn't even try to get tickets. I was

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Speaker 5: that I was in Orlando, and yeah, so I guess

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Speaker 5: so they went back to the Seer Center, which is

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Speaker 5: where at all In was and I did go to

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Speaker 5: that event. But so they sold out ten thousand seats,

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Speaker 5: but there was like sixty thousand people waiting in the lobby.

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Speaker 4: So what I saw was, like I guess the capacity

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Speaker 4: of the building is roughly about eleven thousand, there was

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Speaker 4: roughly seventy two thousand, five hundred fans who were in

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Speaker 4: the online Q waiting to buy tickets, and then god

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Speaker 4: knows how many people are waiting in that lobby for.

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Speaker 2: Ye, so you know the rumor.

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Speaker 5: I don't think they'll do it anytime soon, but I mean,

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Speaker 5: at that point, I think Meltzer pointed it out.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there was more demand for that than this

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Speaker 2: year's wrestling.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's that's what I was looking at on

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Speaker 4: this thing right here about you know, Meltz was talking

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Speaker 4: sold out faster than any event he's ever heard of,

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Speaker 4: including WrestleMania.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just it's it's bizarre.

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Speaker 4: And the crazy thing about it is there's only two

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Speaker 4: matches that's been announced. It's Hangman Page and Jericho for

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Speaker 4: the title, and then Moxley versus Omega. Yeah, and those

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Speaker 4: are the only two matches. But it's it's funny because

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Speaker 4: you sit here and you look at the logo and

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Speaker 4: of course the Chicago flag is there, and you got

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Speaker 4: people who are somewhat new to wrestling. They're like, that's

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Speaker 4: a sign that's seeing Punk's gonna be there, and I'm like, no, yeah,

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Speaker 4: and that it's everybody thinks that it's gonna happen because.

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Speaker 2: It's in Chicago, but you know, it didn't happen last year.

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Speaker 2: It didn't happen last year. Could have happened this year,

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Speaker 4: But Tony Kahan did confirm that if Punk wants to

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And Cody gave like the most diplomatic answer when

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Speaker 5: but I mean, I think they would do anything they

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Speaker 5: on to say, you know, we've got a really good

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Speaker 5: who isn't signed.

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Speaker 2: I was like, that's that's the smartest thing you can do.

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Speaker 5: I mean, there's I mean, why I wonder about what

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Speaker 5: if when you have fifty people that are already signed.

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Speaker 4: You know, right, And it seems like every day when

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Speaker 4: we log onto Instagram, which, by the way, shameless plug

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Speaker 4: Battleground podcast on Instagram, it's like, aw announces somebody knew

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Speaker 4: that they just signed yep, and let's uh, this will

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Speaker 4: So Scarlet Bordeaux got released from her contract.

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Speaker 5: And Impact Wrestling, Yeah, her and so I guess her

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Speaker 5: and Killer Cross are a couple and they both have

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Speaker 5: requested their releases and they finally gave it to her.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, I don't know if that was a just

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Speaker 5: a pr like we're getting some bad blood on this,

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Speaker 4: Got brought in, like it was this big ordeal, but

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Speaker 4: they kept her away from the women's division, and then

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Speaker 4: they brought Scott Steiner back to do something with her.

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Speaker 2: And I'm just like, eh, well, why Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And I guess judging by what Killer Cross was saying,

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Speaker 5: I mean, she actually has to She has an nine

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Speaker 5: paid or not getting paid an Impact, and that's just

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Speaker 4: And you know, I saw this article online and going

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Speaker 4: Cross did say that she's been living with her mom,

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Speaker 4: having to work a side job because Impact has not

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Speaker 4: see the stories about Impact saying we're gonna guarantee contracts,

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Speaker 4: and then it's like, we'll give this to you, but

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Speaker 4: then they're not guarantee him. Then the matches, and then

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Speaker 4: it's it's an interesting thing. And a couple of weeks back,

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Speaker 4: to you should definitely go back and check that out

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Speaker 4: and here his point of view for an Impact. Even

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Speaker 4: he had some great things to say about Impact. There's

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Speaker 4: just a few bad things that are happening, like Scarlett Cross, Eli,

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 4: Anyways, which funny thing is, I was texting Eli and

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Speaker 4: I was like, I got bored one day and I

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Speaker 4: just started watching seeing punk videos on YouTube and there

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Speaker 4: was one scene where I'm scrolling through and there's like

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Speaker 4: Punk back from Kevin Nash.

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Speaker 2: I was like, this is the greatest thing in the world.

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Speaker 2: Like you go from there to there to there. They've

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Speaker 5: I've seen a lot of the one from the NXT

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Speaker 5: takeover with Smoejoe in MJF. He's one of the security

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Speaker 5: Joe and Joe describs me by the chest and does this. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: and it's just to see mjf's character now and to

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Speaker 2: Of years ago, it is just incredible.

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Speaker 5: But but yeah, I mean, I think going back to

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Speaker 2: I mean, they're gonna have some growing pains.

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Speaker 5: You know, there's gonna be some people upset, there's gonna

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Speaker 5: be people wanting to leave, new people signing, you know.

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Speaker 5: I mean it's just it's gonna be this way for

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Speaker 5: I mean, she's she's very talented. I don't she'll she'll

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Speaker 2: So, I mean she's she's a great athlete.

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Speaker 4: She's got the look, she's got the talent, she's got,

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Speaker 4: And when I was scrolling through looking at her Twitter,

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Speaker 4: July to book. Yeah, and you know, it's crazy to

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Speaker 4: what's going to happen with Killer Cross. If he's going

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Speaker 4: want out, We'll give you the titles, you drop them

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Speaker 4: to ride her and you know Hawk, you know Kurt

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Speaker 4: at WrestleMania, that team has been gone for who knows

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, and it's it's kind of you know, one

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Speaker 5: Like that's it's it's horrible, you know, and kind of

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Speaker 5: I'm sure we'll talk to Ken about this, but I don't.

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Speaker 5: I just don't know who the like Raw specifically, but

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Speaker 5: Raw and Smack. Now, I don't know who these shows

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Speaker 5: I don't know any unless you're just a super fan

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Speaker 2: Like, I'll watch anything.

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Speaker 5: I don't care, right, I mean, the storylines are lame,

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Speaker 5: you know, they've got this whole wild card thing.

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Speaker 4: It's just like it's just like, who can we bring

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Speaker 4: to which brand you have a spike in ratings? And

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Speaker 4: it's like we were talking before the mics and it

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Speaker 4: was like there was a rumor online that Shane McMahon

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Speaker 4: was gonna win the.

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Speaker 2: Title from KOFE, and.

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Speaker 4: and jump the Fox because that deal doesn't happen until

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Speaker 2: Mm hm. So it's like, do we tank the ratings?

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Speaker 4: Right, And I think I looked somewhere online and I think, like,

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Speaker 2: That was a good segue. Do you like that? Boom

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Speaker 4: Even though it didn't tagers, We're still on this Instagram

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Speaker 5: Boom there it is, But I mean you you know

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Speaker 5: And it's funny because you know, Triple H says that

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So I guess they're just gonna be picky with

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Speaker 2: That's probably a spoiler, but he's back in n XT too.

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Speaker 5: know if that's a temporary thing. If they're gonna try

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Speaker 4: Be completely lines, I think that that would be a

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Speaker 5: Oh man, Well and it's and it's dumb stuff too,

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Speaker 4: Yeah here over here, and Eric Young is running around

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Speaker 5: And I mean, you know, Bibby Rude was over, Knockamore

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Speaker 5: I don't need to see whatever, you know, Roman versus

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, if you can't like if they

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And it's like when they said, you know, knock themore

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Speaker 2: But they pretty much watered down the match. Yeah, and

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Speaker 5: But so yeah, I mean I I right now NXT

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Speaker 2: It'scept the match that you showed me that they Oh

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Speaker 4: It was like Adam Cole and some other guy who

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Speaker 2: It looked like him, but I don't think it was them.

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Speaker 4: They're there, there's some weird I don't know what they're

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Speaker 4: many god awful spots that WWE posted this video. People

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Speaker 4: And maybe it was hot because every photo that I saw,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and I think that's in the UK somewhere,

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Speaker 5: Still NXT's that's really the only like if they came

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Speaker 4: But excuse me, it's just it's it's I would like

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Speaker 2: Vice versa.

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Speaker 5: And why not, because if you've been in NXT for

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Speaker 2: For a year or two and then you go back down.

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Speaker 2: I mean, at that point yere four year vet, you

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Speaker 5: Well, and they talked about that with the Women's Tag

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Speaker 2: Anything, and.

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Speaker 5: Uh, Peyton and Peyton Royce and Billy Billy K.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, I was like, I see their face.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 5: like stuff like that's awesome.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 5: It kind of reminds me of the old TV title

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Speaker 4: Just just would be smart and then you could just

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Speaker 4: And Nigel mcginnison that doesn't even count. But you know,

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Speaker 4: I mean, I watched less.

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Speaker 2: In the UK than I do just regue NT.

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Speaker 5: But it's the same kind of thing. They put on

442
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Speaker 5: really good shows every time they do one. And I

443
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Speaker 5: think I sent you the picture. I think that the

444
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,720
Speaker 5: NXT tag belts some of the best licking belts in

445
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Speaker 5: the whole company.

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Speaker 4: Oh it looks phenomenal, and it's it's it's that's what

447
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,080
Speaker 4: should happen. It's just should all be a hole and

448
00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 4: it should all come together for one because you look

449
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Speaker 4: at WCW when they had you know, Nitro, they had

450
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Speaker 4: what was it the Saturday morning, they had Thursday night thunder.

451
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Speaker 4: Everybody went to each one. It wasn't a thing. And

452
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Speaker 4: I grant granted you here later that Kevin Nash was

453
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Speaker 4: pissed because they weren't making the money to go.

454
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Speaker 2: To here, but they didn't.

455
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Speaker 4: But beside the point, you should be able. I think

456
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Speaker 4: if you were able to put like let's just say

457
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Speaker 4: Seth shows up two NXT and was like calls out

458
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Speaker 4: Adam Cole, like I would pay money to watch that.

459
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Speaker 2: Oh that would be incredible. Or you know you bring in.

460
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Speaker 4: You have the revived or not the rovol you have

461
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Speaker 4: you know them coal and all of them, and then

462
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Speaker 4: you bring aj down with gallows in them and have

463
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Speaker 4: that kind of thing going on which.

464
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Speaker 5: They're they're teaming up on they're doing a Japan tour

465
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Speaker 5: and those three were tagging together.

466
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Speaker 4: So and it would be I could see this now

467
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Speaker 4: that once you know, Adam Cole and all of them

468
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Speaker 4: gets called up, they'll put them on whatever brand AJ's

469
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Speaker 4: on and they will try to create the Bullet Club

470
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Speaker 4: WWE version and put Finn with them and Gallows and

471
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Speaker 4: you know, I see them doing that, especially like the

472
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Speaker 4: og Bullet Club shirts with Finn that they sold, and

473
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Speaker 4: that's just something that they would try to do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't put it past them because

475
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Speaker 2: they actually talked about I.

476
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Speaker 5: Think they they they reached out to New Japan about

477
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Speaker 5: buying the Bullet Club, like the the property, the logo

478
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Speaker 5: and everything, and that's like, I mean, even even though

479
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Speaker 5: they lost the ball of their their talent, that's still

480
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Speaker 5: a huge moneymaker for New Japan's nothing like yeah. So

481
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Speaker 5: but yeah, the other thing I was gonna get into,

482
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Speaker 5: the Moxley is still, you know, the biggest thing in

483
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Speaker 5: wrestling right now and over the last I think this

484
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Speaker 5: might have been the same weekend, but he he fought

485
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Speaker 5: uh Darby Allen, who's an indie guy who's really good.

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Speaker 5: If you hadn't seen him before check him out.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 5: I think that was at the n W thing the

489
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Speaker 5: Northeast and he somehow tied Darby Allen's hands behind his

490
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Speaker 5: back and Darby Allen was still like he like kicked

491
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Speaker 5: Moxley and then he ran and jumped onto the second

492
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Speaker 5: rope and did a flip onto Moxley and Moxley rolled

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Speaker 5: out of the ring and then he did a suicide

494
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Speaker 5: dive threw the ropes into, you know, outside the ring,

495
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Speaker 5: and it was just incredible to see this like hands

496
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Speaker 5: behind your back kind of a do. And Moxley won.

497
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Speaker 5: But then you know, after the match, he got on

498
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Speaker 5: the mic and put him over and then I guess

499
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Speaker 5: the next night or sometime later that weekend Enzone casts

500
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Speaker 5: were at a show and did an open challenge and

501
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Speaker 5: he answered it and he put them both down. So

502
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Speaker 5: so yeah, the train known as Moxley still still trucking.

503
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Speaker 4: Which, by the way, if you want to hear a

504
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Speaker 4: very awkward interview with me and Dean Ambrose, you should

505
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Speaker 4: definitely check out the past episode from the vault. I

506
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Speaker 4: think it was from like twenty fifteen, so that was

507
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Speaker 4: when like I was still trying to figure out how

508
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Speaker 4: to interview people, and I was like, hey, had my

509
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Speaker 4: DJ voice going and.

510
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Speaker 2: It happens and I was just like Dean stating.

511
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Speaker 4: Character the entire time. But man, interesting stuff. But we've

512
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Speaker 4: kind of been giving you a little layout of the

513
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Speaker 4: land and catching you up on what's going on in

514
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Speaker 4: the wrestling world. Which, by the way, we do have

515
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Speaker 4: a new weekly challenge this weekend. This is a really

516
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Speaker 4: good one, and I can kind of let Eli explain

517
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Speaker 4: who this weekly challenge is, which, by the way, you

518
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 4: can voice your opinion on our Instagram Battleground podcast and

519
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Speaker 4: this week's weekly challenges.

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Speaker 2: We got to pull it up, I forget. Oh yeah,

521
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Speaker 2: you can tell how prepared we are doing these things.

522
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Speaker 5: I made this one this past weekend and I got

523
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Speaker 5: back from my trip six so I've just been like, yeah,

524
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Speaker 5: So I thought this one was kind of cool because

525
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Speaker 5: the New Day inducted the Free Birds into the Hall

526
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Speaker 5: of Fame and they use the Freebird rule, which is

527
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Speaker 5: any two members of the team can defend the titles

528
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Speaker 5: or be in the match or whatever.

529
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Speaker 2: So so yeah, this week is going to be the

530
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Speaker 2: fabulous Free Birds against the New Day.

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Speaker 4: So go ahead voice your opinion right now on our

532
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Speaker 4: Instagram at Battleground Podcast and let us know what you think.

533
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Speaker 4: But without further ado, the moment you've all been waiting for.

534
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Speaker 2: Ken Shamrock, the Dangerous Man. The Dangerous Man is on

535
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Speaker 2: with us right now. Let's get to our ring announcer.

536
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 4: He's gonna tell you what to do, and then we're

537
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 4: gonna get ready to rumble with Ken Shamrock.

538
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 2: Now, let's get ready to rumble.

539
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Speaker 4: You know, this is probably a proud moment for myself

540
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 4: right now, just the fact that who we get to

541
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Speaker 4: talk to on the phone, A guy that was, hands

542
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Speaker 4: down my favorite wrestler of all time, Ken Shamrock, is

543
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Speaker 4: on the phone with us right now.

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Speaker 2: This is crazy, Ken, How you do man?

545
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Speaker 8: Going on? Good brother? I appreciate you, guys man, thank

546
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Speaker 8: you for having me on.

547
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Speaker 4: Dude, thanks for taking the time out and talking with us.

548
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:39,719
Speaker 4: I mean, this is such an honor to have you on.

549
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 4: Like I told Eli about this, I was like, Ken

550
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 4: is gonna be on the show? Like I'm geeking out.

551
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 4: I don't want to sound like a fangirl. And what

552
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 4: am I doing right now? I sound like a fangirl

553
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 4: on the line with Ken Shamrock.

554
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, you should see his hand motions. He's very animated

555
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 5: right now.

556
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Speaker 4: So let's kind of go ahead and jump right into this.

557
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 4: So you excelled in sports growing up. How did that

558
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 4: background lead you to MMA training.

559
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Speaker 8: Well, I think most of it was basically the way

560
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 8: I grew up. You know, I didn't have all the

561
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Speaker 8: luxuries of you know, having a normal home like most

562
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Speaker 8: kids with mother and father. I grew up in group homes,

563
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Speaker 8: and so for me, I was fighting all the time

564
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Speaker 8: to you know, have my own space, my own toothbrush,

565
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Speaker 8: and my own space in my bedroom, you know, and

566
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Speaker 8: so people would you know enter or violate your your spacing.

567
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Speaker 8: You had to fight for it. So for me, it

568
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Speaker 8: was a different kind of growing up for me. So

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Speaker 8: I think that that really prepared me to go in

570
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Speaker 8: and actually be a competitor at a high level. When

571
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Speaker 8: it came to sports or whether it's football or fighting

572
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 8: or anything, it was almost like I had to win

573
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Speaker 8: because if I didn't win, there was a lot more

574
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Speaker 8: to lease for me when I was growing up, and

575
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Speaker 8: so I took that same entirety of computing, whether it

576
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Speaker 8: was in sports or fighting at the same level.

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Speaker 2: That's awesome, Well most of it's awesome, some of not.

578
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Speaker 5: So you know, it's kind of embarrassing to say this

579
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Speaker 5: to you, or maybe you get it a lot, but

580
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Speaker 5: I mean, you're arguably the first superstar and you see history,

581
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Speaker 5: you know, I mean, you were one of the first

582
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Speaker 5: ones to gain mainstream attention and all that jazz. What

583
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Speaker 5: was it like being a part of UFC one and

584
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Speaker 5: then seeing it evolve over the years to this huge,

585
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Speaker 5: you know, kind of a conglomerate like the WWE is.

586
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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's fun. It was a fun journey. And when

587
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Speaker 8: you're in the moment, especially when I was in Japan

588
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Speaker 8: and the UFC at the time where I was really

589
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Speaker 8: fighting for identity, I wanted to make sure that even

590
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Speaker 8: in the moment that I wanted people to say my name,

591
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Speaker 8: I wanted people to know who Kim Samuck was while

592
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Speaker 8: I was fighting, and I wanted to be the best

593
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Speaker 8: and and so for me, my desire from the start

594
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Speaker 8: was I just didn't want to be another person in

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Speaker 8: this world. Uh, you know, because especially my background and

596
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Speaker 8: where I came from, I always felt I wanted to

597
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Speaker 8: be special and I wanted to be something. And I

598
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Speaker 8: not just wanted to I knew I would be, and

599
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Speaker 8: so I went out after it and you know, first

600
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Speaker 8: my first love was football and I was going to

601
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Speaker 8: be an NFL star and there was nothing that was

602
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Speaker 8: going to stop me. And you know, obviously, and I

603
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 8: probably could have, but because of the way that you know,

604
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 8: life works, you have a you have a target that

605
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Speaker 8: you're trying to hit, and you're fighting for that target.

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Speaker 8: You're doing everything you can to make sure that people

607
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Speaker 8: know who you are and they say your name with respect.

608
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Speaker 8: And then as you're going in that direction, all these

609
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Speaker 8: other doors open up.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 8: Something I thought I was in love with, which was football,

612
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Speaker 8: was my first love. All of a sudden I got

613
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Speaker 8: a glimpse of this stuff over in Japan, and I

614
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 8: was like, dude, that is just unbelievable when it comes

615
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Speaker 8: to combat. And so I kind of took a chance

616
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Speaker 8: at that, going let me try that out. And so

617
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Speaker 8: I took a chance in the next thing. I know, man,

618
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Speaker 8: I was like football, what And I really just and

619
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Speaker 8: because I loved it and I wanted to do it,

620
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Speaker 8: I just excelled and I want, like I said, I

621
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Speaker 8: just there was no way that I was going to fail.

622
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Speaker 8: That wasn't even a thought, wasn't even anything that even

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Speaker 8: entered into my mind.

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Speaker 2: Our guests.

625
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Speaker 4: Right now, Ken Shamrock is on the phone with us,

626
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Speaker 4: and you kind of hear him talking a little bit

627
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Speaker 4: about how he got into UFC and everything else. Let

628
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Speaker 4: me take you back about thirty years years nineteen eighty nine,

629
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Speaker 4: you made your pro wrestling debut.

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Speaker 2: How did you get involved in pro wrestling?

631
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Speaker 8: Well, you know, obviously, going into the MMA world, I

632
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Speaker 8: was focused on becoming the best there ever was, and

633
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Speaker 8: you know my mentality, I just kept striving for that.

634
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Speaker 8: And of course it got to a point where Bob

635
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 8: Myerwitz was constantly in and out of court because they

636
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 8: were going to different cities and states, and there was

637
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Speaker 8: always some sort of you know, peace love and granola

638
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 8: type people trying to close down the event. Even though

639
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 8: it got sanctioned it was okay to go. They a

640
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 8: group of people got together, attorneys got together, and they

641
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Speaker 8: tried to ban it from coming to their state. And

642
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 8: so they were constantly in and out of court, and

643
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Speaker 8: Bob Myerwitz got to a point to where he's like, man,

644
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Speaker 8: it was just getting drained financially. And so I had

645
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 8: been promised to contract and my time was up, and

646
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Speaker 8: I was supposed to get a certain amount and Bob

647
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 8: came to me and said, hey, you know, we're just

648
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 8: not able to pay you what what what? What? What?

649
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 8: You got what you want? And because of all these

650
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Speaker 8: things happening, And I said, hey, listen, I am standing.

651
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Speaker 8: And I said, but if I take, if I don't

652
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Speaker 8: get what I needed to have, I said, I can't

653
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Speaker 8: support because I had a fighter's house, I had gym's

654
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Speaker 8: you know, I mean, I had a life that I

655
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Speaker 8: was accustomed to living, and so if I couldn't get

656
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 8: the money I needed to be able to support that lifestyle,

657
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 8: I had to go do something else. And so that's

658
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 8: what I told Bob. I said, hey, you know, I

659
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 8: mean I'd love to be able to stick it out

660
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 8: and hang in there and do what I got to

661
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 8: do to be there. But you know, I've always told myself,

662
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 8: if I can't do what I love doing and support

663
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 8: my family, then I have to go do something else

664
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 8: to make sure I support my family, because that's number one.

665
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 8: And so he understood it. We had a good conversation,

666
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 8: and so that's how I got into pro wrestling was

667
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 8: I had to go and find another option to be

668
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 8: able to support my family. And you know, the funny

669
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 8: thing is is when I went into pro wrestling, it

670
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 8: was it was Option B because I couldn't do Option A,

671
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 8: which was fighting, and so I kind of took a

672
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 8: spot off that waiting for the opportunity to go back

673
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 8: to it because I knew it, you know, at some

674
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 8: time it would build back up again and I'd be

675
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 8: able to bring me back and pay me what I wanted.

676
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 8: And so I ended up doing the pro wrestling and

677
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 8: got a really good lucrative deal there, and I was

678
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 8: really happy with it, and you know, after about you know,

679
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 8: six months, eight months into it, I fell in love

680
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 8: with pro wrestling. I mean I literally was like, Wow,

681
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 8: this is not what I expected. And I really enjoyed it.

682
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 8: And so people asking which one did you like better?

683
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 8: You know, obviously MMA is my DNA, and that's really

684
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 8: what gave me the opportunity to be who I am today,

685
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 8: But I did. I really enjoyed both. And I think

686
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 8: my character and my personality and even my history will

687
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 8: definitely side on the side on the side of me

688
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 8: being in love with both of them and being able

689
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 8: to have success at both of them.

690
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 2: Right well, skipping ahead a couple of years, you well,

691
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 2: you debuted with w W F in ninety seven, so

692
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 2: you must have signed I guess maybe you know a

693
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 2: little bit before that.

694
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 5: How did how did you how did you end up

695
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 5: with w w F is a short question. I mean

696
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 5: did did they approach you? Did you approach them? Let

697
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 5: them know there's interests? Like how did that come to be?

698
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's like I said with Bob Myertz, he wasn't

699
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 8: able to pay me when I needed and so I

700
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 8: had to go out and find another option. And fortunately

701
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 8: for me, uh, you know, I checked New Japan, Old Japan,

702
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 8: w C W, Vince, you know w w F, and

703
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 8: Vince was the one that was the most aggressive. He

704
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 8: came after me. He brought me down Monday night raw

705
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 8: and uh and it was very quickly to act on

706
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 8: bringing me in, and he really gave me a deal

707
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 8: that you know, I thought was you know, you know,

708
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 8: it's really it was a really good deal. And so

709
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 8: I thought like, wow, okay, cool, you know, there's no

710
00:34:58,120 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 8: where there's no reason to look anywhere else. And you

711
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 8: next thing, I know, on sitting in the front row

712
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 8: having a conversation with Peruke, you know, and from that

713
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 8: point on, it was it was it was game on.

714
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 4: You know, you talk about game on and like you

715
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 4: had a historical career in the WWF and WWE. One

716
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,919
Speaker 4: thing that stood out and a lot of people say

717
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 4: that this could be possibly the greatest matches in WrestleMania history.

718
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 4: You were a part of it, refereeing for Brett Hart

719
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 4: Steve austin WrestleMania thirteen. What was it like being involved

720
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:29,720
Speaker 4: with that match?

721
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 8: Well, you know, it's you look at it and you

722
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 8: think about all the pieces that were added to that match,

723
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 8: and I think if you take one piece out of

724
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 8: any of it, whether it's Brett or whether it's Stone

725
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 8: Cold or whether it's me, you don't have the same match.

726
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 8: I just don't, because the thing that really created the

727
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 8: that that match was won. Those two guys just did

728
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 8: a heck of a job. I mean, you know, I

729
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 8: was in it, and I was caught up and then

730
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 8: I was refereeing it, but didn't have to have a

731
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 8: guy in there who was actually refereeing the match that

732
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 8: comes from that legitimate world of fighting and was the

733
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 8: legitimate champion of the world, the world's most legitimately dangerous

734
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 8: man refereeing this match and being able to do an

735
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 8: equit match like that, where don't Go was bleeding profusely,

736
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 8: and those guys were knocking the snot out of one another,

737
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 8: and and me to being in a refereeing and so

738
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 8: to me, I thought the combination of all of that

739
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,399
Speaker 8: put together really turned the wrestling world on its head.

740
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 2: Yeah.

741
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 5: Absolutely, Well, going back to your career, I mean, you

742
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 5: were King of the Ring winner, which I'm kind of

743
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 5: sad they don't do that anymore. Uh, you held the

744
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 5: Icy Intercundown title, the Tech Team Champion. Can you give

745
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 5: us a little bit of idea of like what the

746
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 5: booking process was like back then? Like were you aware

747
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 5: that you were going to get the Icy Belt like

748
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 5: for an advance or was it like you show up

749
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 5: Monday to Raw and you're like, hey, you're getting the

750
00:36:59,200 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 5: title night?

751
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 2: Like how what was that like?

752
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 8: No? Literally, because for me, I think a lot of

753
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 8: the stuff that I understood was within the week a

754
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 8: couple of days. I didn't I didn't really have an

755
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 8: understanding of what they were doing because a lot of

756
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 8: times when I was involved with something, you know, we

757
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:20,720
Speaker 8: had three, four or five eight matches before that title

758
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 8: would turn over to me. Like for instance, in a

759
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 8: continental title, I had to run with the rock and

760
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 8: you know, and then and then after I don't know

761
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 8: how long, but eventually I ended up getting the Icy

762
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 8: title and the Rock moves up to start challenging for

763
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,720
Speaker 8: the heavyweight title. But there was a long process in

764
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 8: order for me to get that belt. And so I

765
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 8: think for the tag team Dell was kind of the

766
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 8: same thing where they were just different people that was

767
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 8: tagged up with. There was different matches we did, and

768
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 8: eventually I got the tag team belt. So a lot

769
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 8: of the stuff was a process in building me up

770
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 8: to see whether or not it was a good fit.

771
00:37:55,640 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 8: And it was, and you know, I even knew, probably

772
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 8: the most I ever knew was the heavyweight title was

773
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 8: when Brett Hart told me that he was going to

774
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 8: drop it to me, he wouldn't drop it to anybody else,

775
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 8: and uh so I got a heads up early on.

776
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 8: Unfortunately on that one, the office wasn't on board on

777
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 8: board with that, which I didn't know, you know, you know,

778
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 8: I was completely out of the loop on that. So

779
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 8: you know, then you got the screw job and and

780
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 8: of course I'm I'm on the end of a bad

781
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 8: situation because Brett Hart was the one I worked with,

782
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 8: trained with, I went to for you know, advice and

783
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 8: then all of a sudden that happens, and so anybody

784
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 8: that was it seemed like anybody that was connected with

785
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 8: Brett was getting this was getting screwed also. Uh So

786
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 8: it was just like I said, it was a tough,

787
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 8: tough situation. But those belts and in the opportunity to

788
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 8: be able to carry those straps was a process where

789
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 8: you would carry out matches and programs to see if

790
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 8: that was going to happen or if it was going

791
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 8: to fit. But most of the time the office and

792
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,760
Speaker 8: the people writing the scripts kind of knew in advance

793
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 8: where they were going with it. But at least for

794
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 8: me myself, I don't know what Brett and those other guys.

795
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 8: I'm sure they had a lot of more understanding of

796
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 8: where they were going on, what straps were doing what

797
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 8: when they were involved. But for me, I really wasn't

798
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 8: you know, even if if you didn't let me know,

799
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 8: at least it was at least a week or a

800
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 8: couple of days prior to me even getting the strap.

801
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 8: So yeah, I didn't have an understanding or even knowledge

802
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 8: of whether or not I was getting it up until

803
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 8: the week that we were going to do it.

804
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 4: Man, it's just crazy hearing these stories from Ken Shamrock

805
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 4: on the phone. Right now, let's kind of fast forward,

806
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 4: still staying on the topic of straps. Back in two

807
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 4: thousand and two, you joined TNA, which is now Impact.

808
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 4: You not only won the NWA World Heavyweight title, but

809
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 4: are recognized as the first TNA heavyweight Champion. What was

810
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 4: your time like in that company and what was it

811
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 4: like to hold one of the most important belts in

812
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 4: professional wrestling history.

813
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 8: Yeah, it was awesome. I really enjoyed it, especially going

814
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 8: in there. A lot of guys there cared about, you know,

815
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 8: the organization, They cared about having good matches, and you know,

816
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 8: I thought that, man, these guys are going to take off.

817
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 8: But for whatever reason, man, that that world is really

818
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 8: weird and different. But I thought they had a great

819
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,760
Speaker 8: shot at doing something special. Uh, and it just didn't

820
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 8: work out. But I enjoyed the time I had there,

821
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 8: the people that they were involved with, the Jarretts, all

822
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 8: of them was really just to me, a first class

823
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 8: action and I really enjoyed working for all of those guys.

824
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 4: And you know, we kind of sit here and talk

825
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 4: about this, and I believe that first event about the

826
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 4: title shot. I want to say it was here Nashville

827
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 4: Minis Audatorium. You were in the main event. It was you,

828
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 4: Jeff Jarret and I want to say it was it

829
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 4: a ladder match. I believe I was at that event,

830
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:54,479
Speaker 4: but it's been so long.

831
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's what it was.

832
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 4: And it was like the craziest thing because I think

833
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 4: you got screwed and I believe what was it, Kevin

834
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 4: Nash and Scott Hall came out and I believe that's correct.

835
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 8: Yeah, something like that was a long time for me too,

836
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 8: But yeah, and uh it but there's a lot of

837
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 8: there's a story behind a lot of that stuff too,

838
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,240
Speaker 8: even with me there because I was I was actually

839
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 8: still processing my fight career because I was going back

840
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 8: to fight Teito, and so I was in the middle

841
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 8: of training and getting ready to fight while I was

842
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 8: doing those shows.

843
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 4: Really, I mean, that's I mean, that's kind of like

844
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:42,280
Speaker 4: crazy because you looking at it now, it's like, for example,

845
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 4: Brock can't wrestle and b UFC training at the same

846
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 4: time because both companies kind of freak out.

847
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 8: Right right right. But I was doing it because the

848
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 8: Jarretts were only bringing me in like once every month

849
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 8: or something like that really really a small amount, and

850
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 8: so I was able to really be able to go

851
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 8: in and and work for those guys at the same

852
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 8: time I was preparing to fight Peter Ortizz.

853
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 4: That's just bizarre right down, just hearing you talking about

854
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 4: training for a UFC fight while training for a professional

855
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 4: wrestling fight.

856
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 2: Wow. Being the world championship that was?

857
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 6: That was.

858
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 8: It was definitely interesting, that's for sure, because you know,

859
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 8: especially when I was spawling a lot and I was

860
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 8: on the mat and I was, you know, kickboxing quite

861
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 8: a bit, and I would get into some of those

862
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 8: wrestling matches and.

863
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 2: Kind of forget that it was a wrestling.

864
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 8: Match myself, myself going, hold up, kid, this is not training.

865
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 2: That's wild. Speaking of we, you know, we've touched on

866
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 2: the WWE. Do you watch the current product and if so,

867
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 2: what what's your opinion of the current product that's out

868
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 2: right now?

869
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 8: I do, you know, I watched at the other night.

870
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 8: I flipped it on and watched it and yeah, you know,

871
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 8: I mean, I guess it's different for different folks. I

872
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 8: hate to, you know, because everybody has their way of

873
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 8: doing things. And you know what, just because I think

874
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 8: one thing, don't make it right, But it seems to

875
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 8: me like there's not I mean, but they're just missing

876
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 8: that toughness, you know, like like where's that edgy and

877
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 8: that toughness that that that used to be there, like

878
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 8: when we had the attitude there. You know, it just

879
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 8: seems like they're missing that that part of it. The

880
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 8: rest of it. I think it means it's all really

881
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 8: I mean, it's good, don't get me wrong, but it

882
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 8: just seems like there's there's just missing that toughness part.

883
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's almost like we we uh, we had Dutch

884
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 5: Mantel on the show a couple of weeks ago, and

885
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 5: he was talking about, you know, the influence of like

886
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 5: Memphis Wrestling and how you know there was some soap

887
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 5: opera stuff to it. You know, there was some of

888
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 5: that elements, but it was really just your classic good

889
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 5: guy bad guy. But I mean those guys were like hated,

890
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 5: you know when when the heels are in town. I

891
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 5: mean you had grannies on the frost row hitting them

892
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 5: with purses, and I mean like these guys nowadays don't

893
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 5: really draw that kind of heat.

894
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 8: You know, and so and the reason being is because

895
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 8: they're too worried about the spots, like all these guys

896
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 8: are worried about even A and E and all these

897
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 8: other ones, even though people are liking it, but there's

898
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 8: so many spots, like these guys are so worried about

899
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 8: pulling off this match where there's one hundred spots as

900
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 8: opposed to getting genuine storylines, genuine heat, and genuine baby

901
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 8: face comebacks. It's like we're missing that that toughness of

902
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 8: the sport where it's not like this choreographed dance where

903
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 8: you're doing high spots the whole time.

904
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 5: Right, because I mean, it always the way I always

905
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 5: looked at it and the way I always explained it, it

906
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 5: was I mean it was it was basically athletics storytelling,

907
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,479
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. And to me, WWE, they're

908
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 5: focusing more on the in entertainment side of sports entertainment,

909
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 5: and so you've you're missing something because you know, wrestling

910
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 5: kind of evolved out of the circus and it kind

911
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 5: of evolved out of the strong man and all that

912
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 5: kind of stuff. So I mean, it has a history

913
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 5: of being tough and you know all this stuff, and

914
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,760
Speaker 5: it's just I agree, I think it's kind of watered

915
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 5: down to a degree, and I mean, I think you

916
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 5: can do those spots, you know, I think, you know,

917
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 5: you look at somebody like the Young Bucks, I think

918
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 5: they do the spots in a good way because it

919
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 5: is still telling a story. But then there's there's some

920
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 5: people where it's just you know, I think the sling

921
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 5: is spot monkeys and they just you know, they do

922
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:35,760
Speaker 5: the spots just to do the spots.

923
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 8: So yeah, and it does, and it goes from the

924
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 8: opening match to the main event. And it used to

925
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 8: be you had different characters. You had strong men, you

926
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 8: had guys that were more acrobatic, you had guys that

927
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 8: were wrestlers, guys that was submission, especially the guys strikers.

928
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 8: I mean, there was just different kinds of characters. Each

929
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 8: match was different in itself. But now you look at

930
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 8: the card and just going from spot, from opening bell

931
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 8: to the finished bell, the spot spots, spots, spot, and

932
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,919
Speaker 8: you're looking at it and going, okay, it's only going

933
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 8: to get a matter of time before everybody goes, okay,

934
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 8: they're just it's all just the whole matches a spot.

935
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:21,760
Speaker 8: So in my opinion, I think slow it down, get

936
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 8: especially if you're the first couple of matches on the card.

937
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 8: You need to tell a story.

938
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 6: You need to get.

939
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 8: Comebacks and pops and spots that count and leave the

940
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 8: semi main event and main event if they want to

941
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 8: go from finish to the end, you know, and they

942
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 8: want a spot, spot spot, you know, Okay, whatever, if

943
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 8: that's what your thing is. But I think it's now

944
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 8: it seems like the opening match to the closing match,

945
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 8: nobody cares whether or not they're steeling the thunder of

946
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 8: the main event or semi main event, right.

947
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 5: And you know that was always the most important part

948
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 5: of the last match is the most important, so but yeah,

949
00:46:58,239 --> 00:46:59,760
Speaker 5: now it's just it.

950
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,959
Speaker 2: Doesn't really seem to have a narrative. They're just they're

951
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:03,800
Speaker 2: just all blandless matches.

952
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 6: So I don't know, Yeah, if they could, I tell

953
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 6: you what, if you can mix the aw show is

954
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 6: doing and what WWE is doing, you mix that together.

955
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 8: Now you've got the dramatics, you've got the storylines, you've

956
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 8: got the soap opera, and then now you've also got

957
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 8: the actual wrestling mixed in with it. Now you got

958
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 8: yourself for show. But right now you've got WWE is

959
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 8: so bit on on the soap opera type thing, Like

960
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 8: there's only a few things in there that actually have matches,

961
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 8: and so I think you can try to find that

962
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 8: happy medium in there where you're getting these wrestling matches

963
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 8: on top of the soap opera. I think that's the

964
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 8: sweet spot.

965
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 4: And I think that was kind of the issue w

966
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 4: in WW is like we're going to add a third hour,

967
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 4: and it's like, what do we fill that extra hour with?

968
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 6: Too?

969
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:56,959
Speaker 4: You know, we prolonged matches and run around backstays trying

970
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 4: to find a belt that looks like a golden token

971
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 4: that is a water down hardcore championship belt, or.

972
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 8: Packing people in the boxes and sending them up on

973
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 8: the truck. Yes, like where you go? Where do you go?

974
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 2: It's it's not like.

975
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 8: A better story than that.

976
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 2: It's not like it was when we were growing up.

977
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 4: Because I've got a twelve year old who watches it

978
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 4: and we have the network, and I showed him my

979
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:24,760
Speaker 4: roll compared to his raw, and he's like him being twelve,

980
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 4: was like, this is your role is ten times better

981
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 4: than this, And it's like that was when they would

982
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 4: push the envelope. It would never get meled out, but

983
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 4: they would push it as far as it could go exactly.

984
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:39,959
Speaker 8: But but again when you look at what they did.

985
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 8: You know, even with that short thing I'm talking about

986
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 8: with it, it got this this, this this sitcom that

987
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 8: they're doing in the middle of the ring with Shane

988
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,839
Speaker 8: McMahon and you know, they're asking questions and he's got

989
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 8: to fight the two guys, you know, and and then

990
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 8: all of a sudden, one guy is getting stuck in

991
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 8: a box and mailed up and you're thinking, you're going, okay,

992
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 8: what's the punchline? Right, tell them what the punchline is?

993
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 2: Where?

994
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 8: Because it's just like, okay, where to go?

995
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 6: What?

996
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 8: What? What? What happened? You know? So it just was ridiculous.

997
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 8: And to get to take away and and and I

998
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 8: don't understand it, but to take away guys that have

999
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,720
Speaker 8: worked their whole life to get in the ring and wrestle,

1000
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 8: and then you've got Sham McMahon in there, who is

1001
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 8: being put over as the greatest.

1002
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1003
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 8: I mean, there's so many missed opportunities that they're getting

1004
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 8: away from because they seem like the desperate to pull

1005
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 8: something off and all the stuff is right there in

1006
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,720
Speaker 8: front of him. They would just look at it and go, Okay,

1007
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 8: let's look at what we got and let's build up

1008
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 8: of what it is we have instead of trying to

1009
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 8: create things that aren't there.

1010
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 4: Just hearing Ken Jamrock dropping knowledge about the current state

1011
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 4: of wrestling is possibly the greatest thing in the world.

1012
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 2: Like, do I have to go to church this Sunday?

1013
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 8: Now?

1014
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 4: Just listening to Ken preach about wrestling. I mean, that's

1015
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 4: what I'm thinking. So right now, here's a fun part

1016
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 4: of the show we like to do. We kind of

1017
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 4: like to let listeners ask questions of guests that we

1018
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 4: have on the show. And we've got a couple of

1019
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 4: questions and they involve some MMA fighters, some WWE questions.

1020
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 2: So Eli's got the first one for you.

1021
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 5: You know one, you know, going back to the conversation,

1022
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 5: we were just having. One good thing that ww did

1023
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 5: in the last year was Ronda Rowsey. You know, tons

1024
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 5: of mainstream press, not quite the same path as you,

1025
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,720
Speaker 5: but similar you know, made her name in UFC first

1026
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 5: and then came over. What were your thoughts on on

1027
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 5: her transition to wrestling and what do you think, you know,

1028
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 5: how do you think she did in her first year

1029
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 5: with w W.

1030
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 8: Now, she's tremendous, you know, coming from some of the

1031
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 8: problems that she had. I know a lot of people

1032
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 8: banged on her because she lost and then left, and

1033
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 8: and I don't think people realize how hard it is

1034
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 8: for someone to have so much pressure on them that

1035
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:07,760
Speaker 8: it gets to a point where they're not really fighting

1036
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 8: for themselves anymore. They're fighting for everyone else, and the

1037
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 8: pressure of them failing begames so tremendous that they ended

1038
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 8: up having a breakdown, and so it's real. It's I mean,

1039
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 8: obviously I didn't have to deal with that, but I

1040
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,399
Speaker 8: do know it's real, and people deal with it because

1041
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 8: they care about what people think. And so I think

1042
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 8: Ronda went through that. For her to be able to

1043
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,919
Speaker 8: bounce back from that, be able to you know, start

1044
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 8: another career into something else, which is not easy to do,

1045
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 8: and to be able to go out and pull it

1046
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,320
Speaker 8: off like she did, I thought it was tremendous and

1047
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 8: kudos to her, and I'm glad she was able to

1048
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 8: do that. So I thought she did tremendously well. I

1049
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 8: think that the organization itself missed the opportunity to groom

1050
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 8: her like they did block Lesbi with the UFC, whereas

1051
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 8: they just started her out too soon because they could

1052
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 8: have had her to do so much things prior to

1053
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 8: her wearing that strat I mean, because like I said,

1054
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 8: I think that they could have Even though it's doing well,

1055
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 8: I still think they could have done a whole lot

1056
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 8: more with her prior to her actually getting the belt.

1057
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 8: And you know, you look at brock Lesli come the

1058
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 8: same thing in the UFC where the guy was fighting

1059
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 8: guys who order he had fifteen seventeen, eighteens and he

1060
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 8: had one or two, you know, and so they pushed

1061
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 8: him way too fast, and now you see he's burned

1062
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 8: out of it. But if they would have done this

1063
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:31,879
Speaker 8: with Rondo or Brock and started him out the way

1064
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 8: they should have started out and got you know, twelve

1065
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 8: to fifteen to twenty wins under their belt, building up

1066
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 8: their character and their dominance in that sport. Do you

1067
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 8: imagine what they would have been like being able to

1068
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 8: have such a massive like they did with Tyson when

1069
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 8: he was destroying all these guys moving up the ladder.

1070
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 8: Doesn't matter whether or not these guys were able to

1071
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 8: compete with them. They were in the same bracket as in,

1072
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 8: they had the same amount of wins. They start at

1073
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 8: the same time. Sorry, but you've got to work your

1074
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 8: way up that ladder, and when you do that, if

1075
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 8: you're that good, you're basically building a reputation of yourself

1076
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 8: like they're just a destroyer. And I thought Ronda could

1077
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 8: have done that, and I thought Rock could have done

1078
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 8: that in the UFC, where they could have had twenty

1079
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 8: wins and people would have been looking at them like

1080
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:16,479
Speaker 8: nobody's gonna be able to beat them, and these guys

1081
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 8: are just unbelievable, instead of because they were so good

1082
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,879
Speaker 8: going into it right away, they basically started them out

1083
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 8: at a championship level and didn't get a chance to

1084
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 8: start out as a person grooming themselves into being a professional.

1085
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 8: And me looking at Parrello Pro Wrestling with Ronda, where

1086
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 8: you know, she started right at the top man, and

1087
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 8: they didn't get her a chance to really go in

1088
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 8: and start working on some of the undercards and pro

1089
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,839
Speaker 8: wrestling like number four, you know, number five, you know,

1090
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 8: and getting her to get to where she had twenty

1091
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 8: wins or something like that and worked her way up

1092
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 8: into that championship. Felt then she would have had a

1093
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,720
Speaker 8: lot more knowledge, a lot more ring experience, and wouldn't

1094
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 8: have been so nervous going into these big main events

1095
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 8: because she would have had the experience to carry that strap,

1096
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 8: you know.

1097
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 4: And it's kind of interesting that you talk about this

1098
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 4: because a few months back, we had a couple of

1099
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 4: UFC fighters in here and we asked them. It was

1100
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 4: Macy Barber and Thug Nasty Bryce.

1101
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 2: He was in here.

1102
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 4: We were kind of asking him about what's his thoughts

1103
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 4: of you know, ww wrestlers jumping, and he kind of

1104
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 4: had the same thought that you just said about seeing

1105
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,439
Speaker 4: Punk going into UFC. He should have worked his way

1106
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 4: up and not gone the two pro fights and then,

1107
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 4: you know, have first two losses on his career.

1108
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:34,879
Speaker 8: Yeah, because I even said that when he first got

1109
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 8: into a naster of what I thought, and I said, well,

1110
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 8: hopefully they'll get him somebody that will be at his

1111
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 8: level and not thrusting into that pro card because people

1112
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 8: are going to want to see him at that pro level,

1113
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 8: and okay, give it to him, but give it to

1114
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 8: him with the guy that's the same skill sets he is,

1115
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 8: at the same level he is, and then build him up,

1116
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 8: even though he's not going to be semi invent or

1117
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 8: main event him on the opening of the car Man.

1118
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 8: Build him up and build him up, build his name

1119
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 8: up and give him a chance to be able to succeed.

1120
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 8: Don't just throw him in there. You're seeing what Dana

1121
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 8: White did to James Tony or I don't know if

1122
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 8: it was. James was a boxer who came in and

1123
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 8: he put him against Randy Coutour and you're like, okay,

1124
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 8: so that's not that's not right. Should have put him

1125
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 8: against Chuck Ladell because Chuck's a striker, and give him

1126
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 8: a chance to at least succeed at something. Don't just

1127
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 8: throw him in there and have the Hounse tear him up. Yeah, exactly.

1128
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 8: At least let him feel some chance to be able

1129
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 8: to say, Okay, I'm going against the striker, even though

1130
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:43,800
Speaker 8: Chuck probably would have took him down, but Chuck's not.

1131
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 8: It's not what Chuck is the best at. So at

1132
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 8: least he wouldn't have got destroyed by one of the

1133
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 8: best flapplers ever to step in the octagon. So it's

1134
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 8: it's just to me, it was you look at the

1135
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 8: way that these guys are pushed because they're so good, right,

1136
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 8: and not necessarily with you know, some of them, some

1137
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 8: of them get pushed just because of their name. But

1138
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 8: with Black Lesner and with Rona Rousey. They were actually good,

1139
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 8: even Ronde and pro wrestling. She carried some skill sets

1140
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 8: to where she could really pull it off and still

1141
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,800
Speaker 8: be at that level. And Brock was just a monster

1142
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 8: going into the US, and so they started him out

1143
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:21,879
Speaker 8: right at the top, and so he had a five

1144
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,399
Speaker 8: hundred record in the MMA world, where if they would

1145
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 8: have started him out where he needed to be, he

1146
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,280
Speaker 8: could have been twenty and old before he ever reached

1147
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 8: that level of the title shot right, and he would

1148
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 8: have been a monster, and he would had experience and

1149
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 8: he felt comfortable going into those fights. Instead, he just

1150
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 8: jammed up in there real quick. And saying with Ronda,

1151
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 8: she was jammed up into pro wrestling real quick because

1152
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 8: pro wrestling was dying and it was meeting a superstar,

1153
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:48,720
Speaker 8: and she was a bona fide superstar in MMAG carried

1154
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 8: over into pro wrestling and everybody's watching, so they thrust

1155
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 8: her into that role. And so now she's thrust into

1156
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 8: this role to carry that strap with all the pressure

1157
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 8: that goes with carrying a strap. That's a lot of pressure.

1158
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, we kind of talked a little

1159
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 4: bit about the octagon, So let me ask you this,

1160
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 4: what MMA fighter do you think could be huge in wrestling,

1161
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 4: because you see a lot of people kind of jumping

1162
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 4: the indie scenes and then making their way up, like,

1163
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 4: for example, Matt Riddle, who just has literally been blowing

1164
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:20,919
Speaker 4: up the indie scenes and finally got a WWE deal.

1165
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 4: In your opinion, what MMA fighter would be huge in wrestling?

1166
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 8: You know, that's the one thing I think that you

1167
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 8: just don't know because no matter what you see in

1168
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:37,479
Speaker 8: character on somebody in a fight, when it comes down

1169
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 8: to X going in and pretending to carry a certain character,

1170
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 8: even though it might be one year doing, it's a

1171
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 8: whole different ballgame to go in there and be able

1172
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 8: to look tough, be able to go in and put

1173
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 8: moves on to make it look tough, and being able

1174
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 8: to carry a storyline from the beginning to the end

1175
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 8: and selling on top of it. It's really tough. So,

1176
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 8: I mean, you really can't say, oh, I think you'd

1177
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 8: be great, because until they actually hid in there, you

1178
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 8: just don't know.

1179
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1180
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 5: So, since I guess sometime last year you got involved

1181
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 5: with BCW in Australia and you're still I guess you're

1182
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 5: still part of the Tag Team Champions.

1183
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 2: I guess belt hadn't changed yet. Tell us about that promotion.

1184
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 5: How you got involved, and then I guess the next

1185
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 5: event you haven't coming up soon with BCW.

1186
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, I was kind of figuring out how

1187
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 8: to get back into pro wrestling. I made a statement.

1188
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 8: I put the wrestling word on notice. I was coming back,

1189
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 8: and I'm coming back to capture the Heavyweight Championship belt.

1190
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 8: And when I did that, we had been actually searching

1191
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 8: to find places for me to wrestle, and it was

1192
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 8: really difficult because the independent circuit hadn't really started to

1193
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 8: take off yet, and so when I was leaching out

1194
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 8: to do some of these things, it was ridiculous on

1195
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 8: the mount of the money they wanted to pay and stuff,

1196
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,479
Speaker 8: and so you know, I just wasn't going to jump

1197
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 8: in a ring and do that and risk my body

1198
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 8: on some of the stuff that they will wanting to pay.

1199
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 8: I think it was probably two three months in of

1200
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 8: US began trying to search and find places to see

1201
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 8: if there was anywhere that I could wrestle. There was

1202
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 8: nothing in the US, and so we started searching in

1203
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 8: Japan and different places, and we got a hit with

1204
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 8: Australia and this event. They were doing out there, and

1205
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 8: so we you know, threw our number out there and said, listen,

1206
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 8: this is what we're willing to do it for. And

1207
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 8: you know, we love to be able to get Cam

1208
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 8: back in the ring and start grooming him to get

1209
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 8: him back into poor wrestling. And guy came back and said, yep,

1210
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 8: we'd love to have him. That's fine, let's get this

1211
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 8: deal put together. And we put the deal together, went

1212
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 8: up there, did a show and after that because it

1213
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 8: was a one time show, and then we went back

1214
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 8: and sat down and said, hey, I'd like to have

1215
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 8: him come back. We really love to bring him in

1216
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 8: and have him carry our strap, our tag team strap,

1217
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 8: and see where it goes from there, and do you

1218
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 8: know a multiple fight deal and and so we've put

1219
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:07,919
Speaker 8: that deal together and uh, and now we're even looking

1220
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 8: at even moving farther along with them, because I think

1221
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 8: working with them, I've been able to really connect and

1222
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 8: be able to put on some good shows and I

1223
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 8: feel like I found a home there. Uh, and so

1224
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 8: we're really happy with it. And I've got to go

1225
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,959
Speaker 8: to Germany and wrestle up there, and so I've gotten

1226
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 8: a lot of opportunities now after I've gotten going in BCW,

1227
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 8: I've got a title defense with my tag team partner,

1228
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 8: Carlos Cannon. We're going to defend our titles in seven

1229
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 8: and in seven days I will be doing a actually

1230
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,919
Speaker 8: fourteen days, yeah, fourteen days. I'll be defending our tag

1231
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 8: team titles up in Australia. I believe it's in Melbourne.

1232
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 8: Not no, maybe it's Perth. I'm not sure that Perth

1233
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 8: and Melbourne. But when I get there and I'm in

1234
01:00:55,600 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 8: the ring, I'll know right there. But it's been a

1235
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 8: fun ride, and like I said, I have been really

1236
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 8: happy with the way things have been going working with

1237
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 8: BCW and also my tag team part of Nicolas Canada,

1238
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 8: which I've never really had. My whole career is built

1239
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 8: on singles.

1240
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 6: You know.

1241
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 8: Obviously I did the tag team WWF and I captured

1242
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 8: the titles there with that, but really my character was single.

1243
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 8: But ever since I started with BCW, I've done nothing

1244
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 8: but have a tag team partner, and so I've been

1245
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 8: really happy with it and enjoyed it a lot.

1246
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 4: You know, you kind of talk about how you're wrestling,

1247
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 4: you know, in Australia and Germany and a couple other places.

1248
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 4: One thing I did not hear you mentioned is you

1249
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 4: wrestling back in Nashville? Is that ever gonna happen? You're

1250
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 4: gonna come back to Nashville and see everybody again.

1251
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 8: Well, you know that's funny because we definitely had some

1252
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 8: discussions with Impact. Nothing's done, nothing running, nothing is close

1253
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 8: to that. Yeah, but but it's something I'd like to

1254
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 8: do because I have been there and I did capture

1255
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 8: that title. I was the first one. So it'll be

1256
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:02,440
Speaker 8: fun to go back and revisit that and see what

1257
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 8: kind of opportunities are there.

1258
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 4: Man, it's exciting to hear the stuff that you just

1259
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 4: dropped on everybody, the knowledge and like I'm sitting here

1260
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 4: looking at Eli and I'm still kind of doing the

1261
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 4: vibrant hand move just because I'm listening to you tell

1262
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 4: stories and just it's an honor to have you on

1263
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 4: the show. And I really do mean that, Ken, you.

1264
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 8: Know, I appreciate that.

1265
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 2: Thank you so real quick. One last question and we'll

1266
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 2: let you get off here.

1267
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 4: Where can people stay up to date with you and

1268
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 4: your current events, like your social media Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, Yeah.

1269
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 8: I have all of that and you can go to

1270
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 8: Kinshammuck dot com and I have all my social media

1271
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 8: sites on there all the things that we're doing. And

1272
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 8: trust me, man, we are doing a lot. So I've

1273
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 8: got a lot of exciting things, some things we haven't

1274
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:52,919
Speaker 8: announced yet. Probably in the next two two to three

1275
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 8: weeks we'll announce a new event that we'll be doing.

1276
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:00,919
Speaker 8: So yeah, Kin Shamuck's doing a lot horizon and really

1277
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 8: jumping up and making some big moves in the world

1278
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 8: of entertainment. So go check it out. Kenshamick dot com.

1279
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 8: Stay in touch with us and you'll get to hear

1280
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 8: the news first.

1281
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 4: Oh man, Ken, thank you so much for taking the

1282
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 4: time out of your day and hanging out with us

1283
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 4: for the past couple of thirty minutes or so.

1284
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 8: Hey, listen, I appreciate you guys for having me man,

1285
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 8: And hey, I look forward to coming down to the

1286
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 8: Nashville So listen, anybody wants to bring me in for

1287
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 8: an event ory like that, bring me down. I got

1288
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 8: a lot of friends in Nashville like to go back

1289
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 8: and visit everybody.

1290
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1291
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, And when you come to Nashville, the studio door

1292
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 4: is wide open and you can come in here and

1293
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 4: hang out as long as you want, and if you want,

1294
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 4: you can put Eli in a choke hold.

1295
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 8: Oh hey, listen, I look forward to that and if

1296
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 8: I do come down there, I hope we soon. Man,

1297
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 8: I'll definitely hit you guys up.

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Speaker 2: Yes, most definitely. Thank you so much Ken.

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Speaker 8: For everything, all right, you guys take care.

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Speaker 4: Man, sitting here still on cloud nine, just thinking about

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Speaker 4: listening back to Ken Shamrock all the stories he told, like,

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Speaker 4: just I don't know what to do with myself right now.

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Speaker 4: I'm kind of like Ricky Bobby where it's like that

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Speaker 4: scene where it's like what am I supposed to do

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Speaker 4: with my hands?

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Speaker 2: Kind of thing.

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Speaker 5: Well, first off, he was awesome. I mean he was cool,

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Speaker 5: just really laid back. I thought he had a lot

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Speaker 5: of good opinions, especially about like the current WWE product

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Speaker 5: or like thereof. And it seems like a lot of

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Speaker 5: the the you know, we'll call him veterans, we won't

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Speaker 5: call him old guys, but a lot of the guys

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Speaker 5: that have you know, been around it for a while,

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Speaker 5: they just think something's missing, and I think it's.

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Speaker 2: Specifically with WWE.

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Speaker 5: But you know, I think that's why we talked about

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Speaker 5: this before we got on the air. But yeah, you know,

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Speaker 5: coworker of mine was like, hey, you watching Raw tonight

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Speaker 5: or last night, I was like, I'm not no, I'm

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Speaker 5: not even turned into television, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 5: Like nothing about the product gets me excited. But then

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Speaker 5: you look at all this indie stuff, and you know,

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Speaker 5: we talked about I think the one thing we did

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Speaker 5: miss as the Lucher Brothers and Young Bucks had a

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Speaker 5: rematch for the AAA Tag Team Belts and Lucher Brothers won.

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Speaker 5: So you know that's been a few uh, you know,

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Speaker 5: going back and forth, and you know, we talked about

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Speaker 5: Moxley with Darby Allen Moxley within Zoe and casts, and uh,

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Speaker 5: there's the the GCW show that's coming to Nashville in July,

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Speaker 5: you know, even stuff in the n w A.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 5: I mean, there's just so many other options right now,

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Speaker 5: you know, and it's like kind of you if you

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Speaker 5: kind of compare it to movies, you know, if you

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Speaker 5: don't like Disney Blockbusters, I mean, there's other movies out there,

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Speaker 5: right and same same kind of thing with wrestling. So

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Speaker 5: so yeah, you know, everybody's got their opinion. I don't

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Speaker 5: know if they're right or wrong, but you know, the

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Speaker 5: the ratings are indicating that they are right.

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Speaker 2: I mean they're tanking. They're starting to tanking the ratings.

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Speaker 4: So it should be interesting over the next couple of

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Speaker 4: weeks to see how things happen going into the fall,

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Speaker 4: especially once ae W drops their TV deal.

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Speaker 2: And I mean you just look at.

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Speaker 4: Them and they've only had what three events, and it's

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Speaker 4: the biggest thing in the world at the moment.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, the next one coming out, I think it's

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Speaker 5: next weekend. The next event, the fight Fest or whatever

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Speaker 5: the calling, right, that's gonna be free. So you know,

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Speaker 5: some people were complaining about the price of the double

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Speaker 5: or nothing, so that one's gonna be free.

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Speaker 2: So so, and.

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Speaker 4: We'll also put a link if you haven't figured out

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Speaker 4: where to watch it for free, we'll put a link

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Speaker 4: in this and tell you where to watch it. But well,

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Speaker 4: that's gonna conclude this week's episode. Ken Shamrock, thank you

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Speaker 4: for stopping by. And we are on social media Instagram,

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Speaker 4: We're at Battleground, podcast Twitter, we are at Battleground I

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Speaker 4: h are and just search us on Facebook just typing

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Speaker 4: background podcasts and you should see everything.

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Speaker 2: But that I guess that's it. I think we talked

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Speaker 2: about everything we had to talk about, so we might

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Speaker 2: have a surprise letter today.

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Speaker 4: There we go. I can't tell you what it is,

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Speaker 4: just make sure that you're following along. It could be

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Speaker 4: a bonus episode. Shit, I just gave away the fright. Anyways,

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Speaker 4: I won't tell you who it is. You'll just find

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Speaker 4: out later this afternoon. So until next time, later see you.

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Speaker 2: We hope you enjoyed this week's episode of Battleground. Make

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Speaker 2: sure you give it five stars and leave a nice review.

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