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Speaker 3: Specific about her boundaries allowed her to be liberated, I

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Speaker 1: if you tuned into our episode The Burden of Five

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Speaker 1: Roids for Black Women, then you know this next guest.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Joy Cooper is a Philadelphia native and an i

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Speaker 1: From Howard University, completed a master's and sexually transmitted Infections

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Speaker 1: Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, and earned an AB in African

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Speaker 1: Culture care Welcome back to the show, Doctor Joy.

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: We are so excited to have you here today. And

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Speaker 1: on your previous appearance, you talked about fibroids. Today we're

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Speaker 2: By now, Doctor Joy. This reminds me of a conversation

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Speaker 5: Really, infection means just because.

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Speaker 5: You know, everyone's running around here with these masks on

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Speaker 5: Like you know, it looks just kind of weird. And

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Speaker 2: of these STDs, Like, are there certain?

439
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Speaker 5: I don't know.

440
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Speaker 2: Look what does that even look like?

441
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Speaker 3: So I mean, honestly, they all affect the fetus in

442
00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:01,320
Speaker 3: different ways, different times. Let me try and mentally organize

443
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,280
Speaker 3: this so it sounds correct, and that sounds correct, it

444
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,879
Speaker 3: sounds makes sense. I'm just going to go through the

445
00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,000
Speaker 3: different entities that come to mind. So a case in

446
00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,840
Speaker 3: point HIV. HIV is a classic example of what we

447
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Speaker 3: call vertical transmission. So a vertical transmission means that it's

448
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,720
Speaker 3: an infection that can go from mother to child, and

449
00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:21,800
Speaker 3: even HIV can be transmitted during actual jest, dating or

450
00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,000
Speaker 3: when the baby is in the mold. But it also

451
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,840
Speaker 3: can be transmitted during labor through different sharing of blood

452
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,080
Speaker 3: and you know, mixing of things at the time of

453
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Speaker 3: delivery so different. You know, there's you know, with the

454
00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,200
Speaker 3: onset of like great HIV mets. Most of the time,

455
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Speaker 3: you know, we don't have to, you know, do se

456
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Speaker 3: sections for women to prevent this exchange of bodily fluids

457
00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:42,800
Speaker 3: or blood.

458
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:44,480
Speaker 5: But if your a biral load.

459
00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:46,800
Speaker 3: Is too high, sometimes you have to go see section

460
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Speaker 3: instead of going to the birth to now because there's

461
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,399
Speaker 3: a lot of mixing of that can affect the baby.

462
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,879
Speaker 3: And then also vertical transmission is very limited now because

463
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Speaker 3: we do have these antibo au medications.

464
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Speaker 5: That's like just a classic example.

465
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Speaker 3: One more thing with HIV is that it can be

466
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 3: transferred through breast milk, and so that's also another as concern,

467
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 3: and so in the developing the developed world, we recommend

468
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,720
Speaker 3: no breast milk at all. In terms of like something

469
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,439
Speaker 3: like syphilis, which actually is really contitital syphilis is actually

470
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Speaker 3: really i was you know into my reading for today,

471
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Speaker 3: actually is pretty high amongst black women.

472
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Speaker 5: So conteneral syphilis is basically a.

473
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Speaker 3: Condition where a baby is born with different malformations or

474
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Speaker 3: different like some things are external.

475
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:34,640
Speaker 5: Some things are internal, like affects the liver, the swing

476
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Speaker 5: can affect the brain.

477
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 3: The baby is actually born with different defects that there

478
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Speaker 3: to have been exposed to syphilist while in the womb.

479
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 3: And honestly, the rate amongst black women is actually like

480
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Speaker 3: ten point three times the rate of white women in

481
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Speaker 3: this country. So it's actually like a huge concern, and

482
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 3: it really, you know, is really the reason why a

483
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 3: lot of clinics will do test for simpless not only

484
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Speaker 3: the beginning of the pregnancy, but also towards the end,

485
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,400
Speaker 3: just to make sure our mom doesn't have that. Some

486
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 3: of the more simple ones like gallery and chamythia, they're

487
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Speaker 3: really exposed. My babies can be exposed coming through the

488
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Speaker 3: birth canal. So if we actually have Donnery comedy at

489
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 3: the time of delivery and can get into the baby's eyes,

490
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 3: so and it could cause blindness. So honestly, you know,

491
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Speaker 3: when you first go see a baby viewer into a

492
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Speaker 3: hospital the first day a baby's born, it might have

493
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Speaker 3: this like.

494
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Speaker 5: Cookie stuff in its eyes. That's to like treat like

495
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,160
Speaker 5: potential infection that a baby.

496
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Speaker 3: Could have picked up in the vagina. And it's just

497
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Speaker 3: we do it to everybody. We don't assume anybody you

498
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,680
Speaker 3: know has donnery chlymythia. It's more so just like if

499
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Speaker 3: we didn't catch it, it'd be pretty jamming because the.

500
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Speaker 5: Baby would be blind.

501
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 3: And then herpes lastly is so the thing about herpes

502
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,159
Speaker 3: is that it actually is super super dangerous to a fetus.

503
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,640
Speaker 3: So if a mom has or a birthing person has

504
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 3: an actual lesion on their perennium or on their leg

505
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,679
Speaker 3: or close to the birth canal, then we actually do

506
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 3: not allow them to labor.

507
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 5: We just do a sea section because the risk of

508
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 5: the baby even being exposed and the sequila or what

509
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 5: can happen after that is so severe.

510
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Speaker 3: So there's something called encephalitis, which is inflammation of the brain,

511
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Speaker 3: and herpes could actually cause that aneal needs or infants,

512
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,120
Speaker 3: and so that is so severe where a baby could

513
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Speaker 3: actually die that we don't take any chances with that basically,

514
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 3: but it's an easy fix.

515
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Speaker 5: If you have an actual legion, then we do a

516
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Speaker 5: sea section. And it's so important so much that like

517
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Speaker 5: at the end the pregnancy, anyone who has.

518
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 3: Ensue herpes, just give me prophylaxis, which is like something

519
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 3: like biltracks or that severe that you can take.

520
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 5: Every day to prevent you from having an outbreak.

521
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Speaker 1: And is that safe for the bake? Oh well, I'm

522
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Speaker 1: assuming then that it's safe for the base. Wow. And

523
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Speaker 1: so you started talking as you were sharing this information,

524
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Speaker 1: you were in terms of transmission to the fee is.

525
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 1: You were also giving us some stats, particularly as it

526
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Speaker 1: relates to pregnant parents. But what are some of the

527
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: other statistics that we should be aware of regarding STIs.

528
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 3: I would say to keep it simple, honestly, the main

529
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Speaker 3: thing that anyone between fifteen and twenty.

530
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 5: Four should know is that you have a high risk

531
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Speaker 5: of chlamydia.

532
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 3: So you should always I mean, I think people in

533
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 3: general should always just be getting sc testing regularly, but

534
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,919
Speaker 3: you should definitely if you're in that age range. That

535
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 3: is the age when a people get chlamydia and don't

536
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 3: know it, and so when it festers it can affect

537
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 3: you know, your tubes and all that stuff I talked

538
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 3: about with PID or public inflammatory disease, and there are

539
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 3: a lot of like things that can happen.

540
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 5: Down the line because of that.

541
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Speaker 3: So I think that's the best thing to protect yourself

542
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 3: phone is to just get tested regularly.

543
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 5: If you're in that age fifteen twenty four. That's like

544
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 5: all comers.

545
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 3: Any woman who is a young women between fifteen twenty

546
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 3: four will always have a high risk of lymydia. Once

547
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 3: you start extrapolating all the seds, black women are like

548
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 3: our high risk.

549
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 5: We have all the disparities.

550
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 3: We you know, we get worse, just like from you

551
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 3: know my talk with the five words if you know,

552
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 3: when it comes to black anything, I just feel like

553
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 3: we have the worst statistics and we get it worse.

554
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 3: So I think keep that in mind, and I think, honestly,

555
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 3: the thing that I remember about my STI training was

556
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 3: that I learned.

557
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 5: That the difference of team, Like, you know, people can

558
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 5: get pregnant.

559
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 3: You can prevent a pregnancy with you know, birth control pills, IUD,

560
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 3: whatever you want. The thing about s CDs is, yes,

561
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 3: you can prevent it from with condoms and you know,

562
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 3: safe sex practices and limited partners. But the real question

563
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 3: is who are you having sex with? And the thing

564
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 3: is that STIs are all about your network, and the

565
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 3: problem is that I really feel like, you know, black

566
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 3: sexual network for the most partners are very tight and

567
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 3: confined space. And if it were to be an actual

568
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 3: physical space, but basically, I think it's just that your

569
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 3: network really when it comes to s s cis.

570
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 5: De termagent network.

571
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Speaker 3: If you are having sex with the maybe the person

572
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Speaker 3: who is a let's let's say future of the group

573
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 3: or of the crew or the other, that person is

574
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 3: not brought around having unprotected sex with lots of different people.

575
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 5: As noted by their multiple children.

576
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 3: So to have sex with a person like that, you're

577
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 3: putting us off at risk for things. Basically, So it's

578
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 3: not just how you have sex with, you have sex

579
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 3: with just.

580
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Speaker 1: That, right, right, And so then it's and so then

581
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: it's also about getting tested.

582
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 6: Now.

583
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:32,479
Speaker 1: I remember once I had a doctor tell me I

584
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: went in and I was like, okay, I want STI

585
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:40,360
Speaker 1: testing And when I looked at the paperwork, the only

586
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: tests that they ordered were for chlamydia, gnneria and HIV.

587
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: And when I inquired, because my guess is that most

588
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 1: of us would go in and we just you know,

589
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,199
Speaker 1: we'll say to the doctor we want we want testing

590
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,199
Speaker 1: for s CI STDs, right, and don't think anything of it,

591
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: and then we get the results. But I I decided

592
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 1: to inquire. I wanted to see like what were they

593
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: actually testing for? And it was just those three. And

594
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: so when I inquired about getting tested for everything, the

595
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: response that I got was, well, in particular when it

596
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: comes to herpes, that it's so common and so many

597
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: people have it, and that it may not pick up

598
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 1: if you do have it, or it may pick up

599
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: and say you like, it may pick up and say

600
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: that you have it, and you might not be having

601
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 1: any symptoms.

602
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 2: And I was so confused by that.

603
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 3: That's a really good question. And I will say this

604
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 3: is just my own way of practice. I don't want

605
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 3: to say that my way is the right way. I

606
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 3: would just say that my way is very informed by data,

607
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 3: just because I feel like, when you it's good that

608
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 3: your doctor did not just banket blanketly just order that,

609
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 3: because in a lot of private practices they will order

610
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 3: herpees just.

611
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 5: Because people want it.

612
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 3: And so my thing, my thesis is a doctor, is

613
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 3: if I'm ordering something, what do I expect to get

614
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,479
Speaker 3: from this and how will it change my management? And

615
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 3: the problem with herpee's screening shall be said, is that

616
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 3: there really is no good screening test for herpes.

617
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 5: There's two different herpees. There's HIV one and HSV two.

618
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 5: So back in the day, back when I was in

619
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 5: high school. I'mber rough.

620
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 3: So HSV one is the one that's like the cold

621
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 3: source on your mouth, and then HSV two is the

622
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 3: general herpes, so the scary type. Because of sex, HSB

623
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 3: one and two are interchangeable. They're both everywhere. It's just

624
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 3: really matters where it manifests and if you have symptoms.

625
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 3: So given that fact, I don't tell patients to get

626
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 3: zology because if you come back as HIV one or

627
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 3: two positive, it means nothing. You can honestly have either

628
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 3: one either place. The main thing that you would know

629
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 3: is if you ever had an outbreak. And let me

630
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 3: tell you that herpees' primary outbreaks are the worst thing

631
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 3: that can happen to you. It really is very painful,

632
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 3: and people remember very few people don't remember their first

633
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 3: herpes oupreak. People deny it, but they don't forget it.

634
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 3: And so I think the key thing is that when

635
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 3: if you feel like you have herpes or you have

636
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 3: a lesion, that is when a doctor will actually swab

637
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 3: with the actual like Q tip type swab and we

638
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 3: send it for PCR, and PCR is actually looking for

639
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 3: the actual like DNA strand of herpes basically not just

640
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 3: looking to see if your immune system has interacted with it.

641
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 2: Wow, I'm just processing all of this, Oh my goodness.

642
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: And so then so you're saying your recommendation then is

643
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: that it's okay to not get tested specifically for herpes

644
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: unless you were having symptoms. So then what are the

645
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: STIs that we should be advocating for when we visit

646
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: our doctors.

647
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 5: Good question.

648
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 3: I would say, definitely got our kennedia, Definitely HIV, And

649
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 3: then I would say simpless. I would just say simpliss

650
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 3: just because it's just so high risk our community that

651
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 3: it's just you know, most likely do not have a

652
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 3: symphilus is so rare, but you know, it's it's definitely

653
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 3: seeing a resurgence in our community, and I think it

654
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 3: just makes sense just to rule that out. And we

655
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 3: always and I think also like I'm ustatistic, simplist, because

656
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 3: we always do the pregnancy, so it's not like out.

657
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 5: The bounds to be tested.

658
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 3: And I also think, like you always tell people like

659
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 3: pregnant women are diagnosed with things because they get tested

660
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 3: and screened.

661
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 5: The only time people really like in their lives, male.

662
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 3: Or female, come in contact with the healthcare system by

663
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 3: force is because they have a baby.

664
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 5: And so that's the reason why a lot.

665
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 3: Of men go unchecked, because they don't go to the

666
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 3: doctor because there's never something that forces them, whereas just

667
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 3: being pregnant forces us to do a lot of things.

668
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 3: So my charge to everyone is like, don't wait until

669
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 3: you're I think we have this thing around pregnancy where

670
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 3: if I'm carrying someone else is like their life is

671
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 3: more important than mine, and then I can take care

672
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 3: of myself. But you should definitely take care of yourself

673
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 3: before you get pregnant, before you are giving life.

674
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 5: To someone else.

675
00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: That's an excellent, excellent point.

676
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,239
Speaker 2: Now, doctor Jordy, are you familiar with doctor Sabie I

677
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 2: know who you're talking about yet, Yes, Honduran rbalist who

678
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 2: is on record. Let me see, I'm trying to find

679
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 2: the actual post. But he said to have cured HIV

680
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 2: and cancer and certain patients and even other STDs through

681
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 2: diet and some of his herbs. Is that something that

682
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 2: you're that folks that are in your practice are like practicing.

683
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 2: Is it something that you've seen to work as far

684
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 2: as like diet and things like that.

685
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 5: Honestly, I always just tell people that I'm.

686
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 3: Not trained and I'm trained, trained.

687
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 5: In Western medicine, So that's what I know.

688
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 3: I mean, could I say that one or two or

689
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 3: how many people have been cured by.

690
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 5: Something, Yeah, I can believe it.

691
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 3: I think the thing is that the vast majority people

692
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 3: will not be cured by certain things.

693
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 5: The way that it works, the way that it divides.

694
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 3: That's why we don't even have a vaccine, you know,

695
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 3: like you know, everyone so anti vaccine these days, but

696
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 3: you know, I bet it that there was an.

697
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 5: HIV vaccine people will be signing up for.

698
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 3: But it's so hard to produce because HIV replicates, and

699
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 3: when it replicates, it makes a new version of itself

700
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 3: and a mutass so often that it's hard to like

701
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 3: keep up with it. So I guess I'm just trying

702
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 3: and say, like, yeah, I'm saying this all to say that,

703
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 3: like it's hard to cure, and I wish it was

704
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 3: as simple.

705
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 5: I think you can, you know.

706
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 3: I think also the thing is when it comes to cure,

707
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 3: I think the cure level in medicine, in terms of

708
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 3: the Western medicine way, is a very high threshold.

709
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 5: That means you don't have any virus in your body.

710
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 3: That means you don't have any you know, any other

711
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 3: like lasting effects of having that infection, which is you know,

712
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 3: really we just don't kind of believe it. You know,

713
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 3: it's hard. I mean, you know, trust me. I'm like,

714
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 3: I'm a positioning who takes care of a lot of

715
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 3: black women, So I do get these questions. But I'm

716
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 3: always like, you know, I leave people to try whatever

717
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 3: so they want.

718
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 5: To, so long as it doesn't like interfere.

719
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 3: With the care that has to give them. Because there

720
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 3: are some urgs that you have, some averse effects that

721
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 3: aren't always advertise.

722
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 2: Right, that makes sense. And after j before we move

723
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 2: into our next segment and change up the energy, I

724
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 2: just kind of want to ask a few questions. Do

725
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 2: you already know what's coming? I want to ask a

726
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 2: few questions about advocating for ourselves now. I remember when

727
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 2: I first started having sex, I was not in a

728
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 2: place where I was comfortable advocating for myself in the bedroom.

729
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 2: It's taken time for me to you know, evolve, to

730
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:25,439
Speaker 2: get to a place where I know what I want,

731
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 2: I say what I want and all that. So I

732
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 2: want to know for women or men who are out

733
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 2: there and they are with someone who you know, they

734
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 2: spit in that game and they're like, oh, I can't

735
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 2: feel anything with the condom, or you know, they're just

736
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 2: trying to pressure them to do certain things. How like,

737
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 2: what advice do you have as far as like advocating

738
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 2: for yourself in those moments where someone doesn't want to

739
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 2: pull out a condom or maybe they're being kind of

740
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 2: weird where you're asking me about STD testing?

741
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 5: What advice do you have for that?

742
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 3: So a couple of things. One I always tell people

743
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 3: is like just being realistic. I have this big thing

744
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 3: like everyone likes to talk about, Oh it's different with

745
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 3: the condom, but it is like, you know, it feels different.

746
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 5: That's just how it is. I'd rather protect myself.

747
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 3: I think you just have to really, like, honestly, I

748
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 3: would say, make an exercise of like what your boundaries are,

749
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 3: and what are your key things that are your non

750
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 3: negotiables and why so you have like a follow up

751
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 3: answer to whatever someone throws at you, because they are

752
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 3: because everyone wants their way, and the key thing is

753
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 3: just to be able to spin it back and then

754
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 3: also be prepared to walk away and say, actually this

755
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 3: is not I'm not feeling this, you know, I think

756
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,919
Speaker 3: you have to. Really, I think that's the best part

757
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 3: I think for me of the thirties is really learning

758
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 3: how to erect boundaries. It's like like this, not like this,

759
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 3: because if you don't, then you'll realize every time you

760
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 3: make a concession, by the end of it, the product

761
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 3: you end up with is vastly different than what.

762
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 5: You actually entered into the agreement for.

763
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 3: And so I think one of the I love that

764
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 3: show She's Got to Have It from like Lee, just

765
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 3: because I feel like her being so sex positive and

766
00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 3: being very like specific about her boundaries allowed her to

767
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 3: be liberated, I would say, in her sex life. And

768
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 3: I think, to me, I think she does an excellent

769
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 3: job of like negotiating for herself and telling people like

770
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 3: oh no, you know, I only make love and my

771
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 3: love bed, or you know, having her own rules and like, look.

772
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 5: You just gonna have to deal with it.

773
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 3: And I really love that because I think it's it

774
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 3: made it okay. And it was also you know, like

775
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 3: it was when the men did not listen and she

776
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 3: had been giving the negative to be like, oh, I

777
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 3: got to go this is not for me. And so

778
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 3: I think that's the key too, is I think sometimes

779
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 3: we have to be honest that we sometimes make concessions

780
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 3: because we so long for intimacy that we don't care

781
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 3: about our rules. We care more about having the intimacy.

782
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 3: And so that's why it's important to go into all

783
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 3: your intimate encounters knowing exactly what you went out of it.

784
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 3: Because if intimacy is number one and not protecting your

785
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 3: body isn't, then what's you know, what's what's the point?

786
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 3: Because you know you might be putting he might be

787
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 3: honestly vastly changing your sex life, you know, for the

788
00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:58,720
Speaker 3: rest of your life.

789
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 2: Potentially you better preach okay, hate it. And on that note,

790
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 2: we're just gonna shift it up and change up the energy. Okay,

791
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,919
Speaker 2: that was a word right there. All writing and doctor Joy,

792
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 2: you already know what's coming now because we recognize, appreciate,

793
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,720
Speaker 2: and celebrate the multifaceted woman and believe that it's okay

794
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 2: to be classy and ratchet and you can still be

795
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 2: elegant and dance to strip club music. We want to

796
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 2: invite you too for the second time, the oh you

797
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 2: clash it segment? Do you take on the challenge once again?

798
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 2: Doctor Joy? I think I have no options about to

799
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 2: take it out. You know you excited about the Oh

800
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 2: you know.

801
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 5: I'm like, I don't know what the classic think on me.

802
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 6: So I was like, okay, okay, well our first question,

803
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 6: which song gets you on the dance floor at the

804
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 6: club or party currently?

805
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:53,479
Speaker 5: I just can't.

806
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 3: So I went to Ghana's Your Return Ho Litleus for Christmas.

807
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 3: So I'm like, I feel like lately I've honestly been

808
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 3: more into afro beats, So I would say number one

809
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 3: honestly would be toasted by coffee.

810
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 5: And they're like, I don't know that song.

811
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: I think about it for a second. I think, if

812
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: I hear it, I know it. I'm bad with remembering titles,

813
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: but I think, if I hear it, I don't know

814
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: exactly what.

815
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:19,240
Speaker 5: You talk about reggae.

816
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 3: She actually just was the youngest person to ever win

817
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 3: a Reggae Grammy, basically Best Reggae Grammy.

818
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna check. I'm gonna check it out right

819
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 2: after this. I'm gonna check it out.

820
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 3: But if you really if to make it easier in terms, yeah,

821
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 3: Like I feel like I've just been on because even.

822
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 5: My other song is burn a Boy. Anybody?

823
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there we go.

824
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 5: There we go.

825
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've just been on Like I'm like, what's sounds.

826
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 3: I'm like, yes, I've been afrobeats. It's been hard to

827
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 3: tear myself away.

828
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 2: That's what's some afrobeats.

829
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: So we're gonna we will put those song titles and

830
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: artists in the show notes so that all the ladies

831
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: listening can get up on game.

832
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 2: Okay, yes, now for the culture. What's your favorite hairstyle

833
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 2: on yourself?

834
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 5: That's easy? Actually, no, it's hard. So can I say

835
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 5: it's a tie?

836
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:03,439
Speaker 2: Yes, you can.

837
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 5: Honestly, when I was sixteen.

838
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 3: I cut all my hair off and I guess before

839
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 3: it's called the big chop. It was a big chop, yes,

840
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 3: And honestly I love my.

841
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 5: Hair like that.

842
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 3: Every couple of years I do a reset and just

843
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 3: go back to that. But then my other one is

844
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 3: like classic like Mike Rossen a galice twists that are

845
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 3: like down to the middle of my back like number

846
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 3: one Jet Black, Like that is like my favorite hairstyle.

847
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 3: And I shout out to my vibration and Kenya, who

848
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 3: messaged me for a New Years like I didn't see

849
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 3: you this year. My god children live at Kenya, and

850
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 3: I go annually to Kenya, and she was like, I

851
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 3: didn't see you this.

852
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 5: I was like, I know, trust me, I feel the pain.

853
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 2: She was turning up.

854
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, what's the best compliment you've ever received?

855
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 2: I I'm sorry, I feel like so, you know, you

856
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 2: got some compliments in Ghana. Don't be fronting now, right,

857
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 2: you have.

858
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 3: No idea with door, You're not gonna Honestly, the best

859
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 3: compliment I've gotten, honestly was for my grandmother, just because

860
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 3: you know, like our were just such a different generation.

861
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 3: My grandmother got married in nineteen fifty five at the

862
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 3: age of like twenty three or so, and you know,

863
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 3: all she knew was marriage, you know, like she was

864
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 3: married fifty two and a half years until my grandfather died.

865
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 3: And it's funny because when I was moving out to California,

866
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 3: she gave me money towards my apartment and I was like, oh,

867
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 3: I'll pay you back, just so I can pay my

868
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 3: apartment security deposit. And she was like, no, you're doing

869
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 3: great things, like don't worry about it.

870
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 5: Consider it a wedding gift.

871
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 3: And it was just the biggest, like just that my

872
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 3: grandma felt like the things that I were doing was

873
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 3: on the level in our society of like marriage, because

874
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 3: you know, if you get married, everyone's willing to like

875
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 3: throw out all they money, do everything. And the fact

876
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 3: that it was like, oh, like you're doing big things,

877
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Speaker 3: just you're doing great things. I felt like that was

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Speaker 3: We are two different generations, we're two different generations removed,

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Speaker 3: but she saw me as this millennial woman who's actually

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Speaker 3: doing her thing, and that, like I think, was probably

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Speaker 3: the best like comments I've ever gotten.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm glad you dug DP for that.

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Speaker 5: That is beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Why are you so beautiful?

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, my heart is singing right now, Like

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Speaker 1: that's so beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Right now. Our last question for you is are you

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Speaker 2: going twork or two step?

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Speaker 5: Why can't I do both?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? All right, all right, she's saying, why can't I

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Speaker 2: do both?

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Speaker 5: I love it.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Joy, Thank you so much for sharing your gems,

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Speaker 2: your insight, your gifts with us again for the second time.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate you, and we want to know where can

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Speaker 2: our listeners find you?

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Speaker 5: Okay, so you can find me personally at th h E.

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Speaker 3: Joy at the doctor Joel on Instagram In terms of

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Speaker 3: my startup, it's at our Culture Care on all different Twitter, Facebook, IG,

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Speaker 3: all of that. And then for my nonprofit at Deo Diaspora,

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Speaker 3: we're doing some great things and Goanna this year and

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Speaker 3: in Houston this fall and in Philadelphia excuse me the

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Speaker 3: spring and in Philadelphia, so just check us out.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, ladies, Well, we.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for all the knowledge that you

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Speaker 1: shared with us today. And I know that our listeners

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Speaker 1: are so appreciative and they probably will be hitting you

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Speaker 1: up with all the extra questions that they have after listening.

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Speaker 5: Oh lord, well, like then let me put another plug in.

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Speaker 5: Go ahead.

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Speaker 3: If you have a specific question that's medical and you

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Speaker 3: live in California, I'm willing to do a discounted our

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Speaker 3: Culture Care consult for you. If you dm us at

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Speaker 3: oh you culture Care on Instagram, then we will reply

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Speaker 3: get you said with our platform only if you live

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Speaker 3: in California.

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Speaker 5: For now, we are expanding other states soon though, all right,

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Speaker 5: Thank you, oh look you so much, doctor Jorge.

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Speaker 2: Hey girl, Hey, it's Terry here from the Heirspace podcast.

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Speaker 2: Every Wednesday I release a Wisdom Wednesday mini episode that'll

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Speaker 5: I hope to see you there.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us today in her Space. Please note

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Speaker 1: that our show may contain conversations about self health, advice,

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Speaker 1: self empowerment, and mental health, but it is by no

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Speaker 1: relationship with a trained mental health provider. If you are

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