1 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: We're back, and so praise the Lord is Gordon g 2 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: Chang follow him with that handle at X if you would. 3 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 1: It is an incredibly important feed and resource for our country, 4 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 1: as are all of his appearances on this program. Yes, 5 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: but many many others as well, including I want to 6 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,239 Speaker 1: say a special word of appreciation to you and to 7 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: your host frequently, Maria Bartiromo at Fox Business and Fox News. Gordon, 8 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 1: the two of you are rendering week upon week, I 9 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: think incalculably important service to our country doing well pretty 10 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 1: much what you just talked about. It's not the same 11 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: thing as having our government, specifically President Trump laying out 12 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: what we're up against, but do and a frequent topic 13 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: for your conversations with Maria and her efforts including two well, 14 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: I think it's now the three if I'm not mistaken, 15 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: maybe four specials that she has done on various aspects 16 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: of China's unrestricted warfare, and in particular the financial warfare 17 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 1: elements of it is to discuss how it is that 18 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: our mavens of Wall Street persist in taking money from 19 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: American investors, much of it without their knowledge, and putting 20 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: it into Chinese companies, including Chinese companies working directly for 21 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: the military of Communist China building up the threat that 22 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: it poses to us. And I would just ask you. 23 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: We did a webinar on this subject last week. I 24 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: commend it to all of our listeners. Committee on the 25 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: Present Danger China as the sponsor Present Danger China is 26 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: where you can find it, and I entreat you to 27 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: take stock of this horror and help us correct it 28 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: and gordon your thoughts on that subject and the need 29 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: for such a course correction. Sir. 30 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 2: We don't understand the Chinese political system and because of that, 31 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 2: we are pouring money into the Chinese military, which is 32 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 2: configuring itself to kill Americans. Just to give you an example, 33 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 2: the Financial Times recently reported that there is a White 34 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 2: House memo that talks about Ali Baba the Internet. Chinese 35 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 2: Internet giant retailer has been helping the Chinese military and 36 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 2: Ali Baba and the Chinese embassy in the US deny it. 37 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 2: But we got to remember one thing, and that is 38 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 2: China runs a unitary state. No entity in China may 39 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,399 Speaker 2: disobey an order of the Communist Party. So whether we're 40 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 2: talking about a state owned enterprise or a privately owned 41 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 2: enterprise or a publicly listed enterprise. They all are required 42 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 2: to help the Chinese military. And when you talk about 43 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 2: Ali Baba, there's also the issue of military civil fusion, 44 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 2: which is the doctrine that every entity and every person 45 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 2: in China who has anything the military wants has to 46 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 2: give it to the military. So really what we're talking 47 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 2: about is a single state, and we don't view China 48 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 2: that way. We think China is organized like we are. 49 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 2: That you have a government and we've got private companies, 50 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 2: and those private companies can defy the US government. They 51 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 2: don't have to follow what the US government says. So 52 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 2: for instance, Apple did that a few years ago in 53 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 2: refusing to unlock its phones for was either the Defense 54 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 2: Department or one of the other national security agencies. That's 55 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 2: perfectly permissible in our country. So we sort of assume 56 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 2: that China's organized the same way. No, it's not. And 57 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 2: because you have these big Chinese companies on our markets, 58 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 2: they are taking cash from Americans, they're using it to 59 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 2: develop their own businesses, and those businesses transfer important technology 60 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 2: to the Chinese military. So you know, we have this distinction. 61 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 2: We sometimes sanction Chinese military link companies. Well, every company 62 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 2: in China, regardless of its business is military linked and 63 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 2: so therefore none of them should be on our exchanges. 64 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 2: And also Frank Americans should not be permitted to invest 65 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 2: in Chinese companies in China. And right now there is 66 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 2: a torrent of foreign cash going into China's equity markets. Now, yeah, 67 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 2: the Chinese economy is stumbling, but the markets there are hot, 68 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:49,919 Speaker 2: and we are helping to fuel this. These Chinese military companies, 69 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 2: which means all Chinese companies. 70 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 1: And thereby prop up the Chinese Communist Party as well, 71 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 1: which as well, as you said at the outset, is 72 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: in tent on destroying. This is the height of insanity. So, 73 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: as you may know, Gordon, in the webinar, we were 74 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: able to present some of the highlights of an interview 75 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 1: that I had with Congressman John Molinar, the Chairman of 76 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: the House Select Committee on the Chinese Communist Party and 77 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:24,239 Speaker 1: absolutely extraordinary legislator man who I think is doing probably 78 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 1: as important a job as any in our government at 79 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: the moment in trying to expose what we're up against 80 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 1: and encourage on the one hand, the government to take 81 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 1: the necessary steps to address it, and the private sector, 82 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:44,679 Speaker 1: especially these Wall Street companies. He has particularly gone after 83 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: Jamie Diamond at JP Morgan and Brian moynihan at Bank 84 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: America and the CEO of Morgan Stanley and others about 85 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: the help that they're giving to the Chinese military, among others. 86 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: And I wish him well in doing that, but I 87 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: also am extraordinarily happy that he is saying he intends 88 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 1: to legislate to put into statute the kinds of changes 89 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: that President Trump at the outset of his second term 90 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 1: announced in his as he calls it, America First Investment policy, 91 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: and I just pray he'll be able to get that done. 92 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: But I wanted to ask you about a specific initiative 93 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: that could be done basically right away without having to 94 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 1: go through the sausage making of legislation and getting the 95 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 1: President's signature and so on, and that is ending a 96 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: memorandum of understanding negotiated, as you know, with the help 97 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: of then Vice President Joe Biden, who subsequently went on 98 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: to become I think a Chinese asset controlled asset, as 99 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: Sam Fatus calls him, by allowing the Chinese communist parties companies, 100 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: including ones that are tied to the PLA, as you say, 101 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: preferential access to our capital markets Gordon. They don't have 102 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: to abide by our securities laws or regulations uniquely not 103 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: American companies can't do that, not European companies, nobody else, 104 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: just those of our mortal enemy. What is wrong with 105 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: that picture? And would you agree that Paul Atkins, the 106 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: Chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission, ought to rip 107 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: this thing up right away and within thirty days that 108 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: underpinning for this whole enterprise on Wall Street with China 109 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: would come undone. 110 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 2: I think whatever one thinks about Chinese companies on American exchanges, 111 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 2: and there's all sorts of opinions about it, there is 112 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 2: no justification, no justification for giving Chinese companies a free 113 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 2: pass on US securities law. This is just I don't 114 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 2: understand the motivation for it. I don't understand why we've 115 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 2: permitted this. And yes, the sec should rip up this 116 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 2: memorandum immediately, and the President the Trump administration can do 117 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 2: it without going through, as you say, the sausage making 118 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 2: of American legislation. Because the American markets are deep and 119 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 2: they are the world's most attractive. Because the rules favor everybody, 120 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 2: they just they make sure that the company's disclose well 121 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 2: We've given essentially the right to the Chinese not to 122 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 2: disclose relevant information for investors that corrodes the reputation of 123 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 2: our markets. Why are we doing this? There is, as 124 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,839 Speaker 2: I said, no reason why, and I think the Trump 125 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 2: administration needs absolutely to revoke that memorandum, especially in light 126 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 2: of that February Investment America Investment First memorandum that the 127 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 2: White House issued. 128 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: Amen. I'm so pleased that you feel this way too, Gordon, 129 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: because I think that you have become renowned not just 130 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: for your warnings of what's afoot here, but also highly 131 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: respected for your recommendations as to what we must do 132 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: about it. And this is one of those practical, near term, 133 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: very effective steps that we can take, and if you 134 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: will speak about it on your other platforms, it will 135 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: go a long way, I think, to helping make this happen. 136 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: God bless you, my friend. Thank you for joining us regularly, 137 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: and we look forward to our next visit. In the meantime, 138 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: I have a very happy Thanksgiving. Bless you and your 139 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: family and the work you do. We'll talk with you soon. 140 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: The rest of you, I hope will stick to We'll 141 00:09:48,080 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: be right back with more. Right for this welcome to 142 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: Securing America with me, Frank Affney, the program that's a 143 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: kind of owner's manual for protecting the country we love 144 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: against all enemies foreign and domestic, to the glory of 145 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:39,839 Speaker 1: God at his Kingdom. We're going to talk about all 146 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 1: of the challenges that we're facing from what I considered 147 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: to be the single most serious threat facing our nation, 148 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: and that would be the Chinese Communist Party, the determination 149 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: it has to destroy this country, and the relentless way 150 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: it has been pursuing that ambition for decades, mostly without 151 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 1: any effective response or even any particular clarity that it's 152 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: happening on the part of the United States government and therefore, 153 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: of course the American people. Few have understood better the 154 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 1: peril of that situation than our first guest. He is 155 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: the Great Gordon Chang. You can follow him as I 156 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: do at Gordon GI Chang at Twitter. He is also 157 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: a Distinguished Senior Fellow at the Gatestone Institute, a columnist 158 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: for Newsweek, the author, most recently of Plan Read Communist 159 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: China's Project Destroy America. We are privileged to have him 160 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: as a regular contributor to this program, as he does 161 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: on so many other platforms. His clarity on all these 162 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: issues is of surpassing importance, and we're deeply grateful to 163 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: him for visiting with us at a time such as this. Gordon, 164 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:03,559 Speaker 1: welcome back to my friend. 165 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 2: Well, I'm deeply grateful to be able to talk to you, Frank, 166 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 2: so thank you. 167 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: Thank you, my friend. Let me start, Gordon by asking 168 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: you about the topic of a webinar of our committee 169 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: on the Present Danger China that will be held at 170 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: one pm Wednesday, Eastern time. I'd like to have your 171 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: comments for a contribution to that program as well as 172 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: this one, Gordon. So I'm going to set it up 173 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: by asking the following. We have, as I've vindicated, an 174 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 1: ongoing problem of abiding and indeed intensifying Chinese aggression. Mostly 175 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 1: it has taken place in the non kinetic space, that 176 00:12:54,840 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: is to say, in various ways that are harmful, but 177 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: on occasion it gets pretty darn kinetic, if not explosive, 178 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: at least murderous, for example, with fentanyl and with the 179 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen biological warfare attack. The question is at what 180 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 1: point does this become a war? And if we've already 181 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 1: crossed that line, what must we do in response? 182 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 2: We Americans think of war as kinetic war, World War two, 183 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 2: Korean War, etc. China has a project to destroy America, 184 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 2: and we have to view it in terms of a struggle. 185 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 2: And as you point out, Frank, sometimes the war goes kinetic, 186 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 2: but sometimes it isn't. But all the time, China is 187 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 2: intending to take down our society. Now, to start with 188 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 2: the basics. In May twenty nineteen, People's Daily, which is 189 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 2: the most authoritative publication in China, carried a landmark editorial 190 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 2: that declared a quote unquote people's war on us. That's 191 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 2: a term which resonates in Communist Party thinking. It goes 192 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 2: all the way back to the Maoist era. And if 193 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 2: we needed a definition, Ela Daily, which is the main 194 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 2: propaganda organ of the Chinese military, in March to twenty 195 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 2: twenty three, defined People's war as total war. Now China, 196 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 2: although it denies it, has a doctrine of unrestricted warfare. 197 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 2: That's the title of that nineteen ninety nine book from 198 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 2: two Chinese Air Force Kernels, which essentially argues that the 199 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 2: China can use any tactics, including terrorism, to take down 200 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 2: the US. And to show you the nature of this struggle. 201 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 2: In that book, they talk about bin Laden, who China 202 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 2: at the time was actually supporting. They talk about Bin 203 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 2: Laden hitting the US. So that's two years before nine 204 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 2: to eleven. So it gives you a dimension of all 205 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 2: of this. Now, China knows that the the United States 206 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 2: is a far stronger society, and so what they've been 207 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 2: trying to do is to weaken US, and they do 208 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 2: it in a number of different ways. So you mentioned 209 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 2: COVID nineteen. We know COVID nineteen came from the Wuhan 210 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 2: Institute of Virology. We don't know whether it was a 211 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 2: manufactured biological weapon or whether it was just escape pathogens. 212 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 2: I think it was a biological weapon, but that's something 213 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 2: question for virologists. And we know that it escaped into 214 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 2: the Chinese population and there are questions about that. But 215 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 2: what's really important is not anything up to that point. 216 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 2: It's what Sijnping did after that disease got into the 217 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 2: Chinese population, because he then took two decisions. One of 218 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 2: them is that he told the world it was not 219 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 2: transmissible human to human when he knew it was highly contagious. 220 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 2: He had to know it was highly contagious no later 221 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 2: than the second week of December. But China did not 222 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 2: admit human transmissibility until January twenty of twenty twenty, and 223 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 2: then he said it was only limited transmissibility. And then 224 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 2: all the while they were telling health officials around the world, 225 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 2: including the United States on January three, I think it 226 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 2: was that this was don't worry about it. The other 227 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 2: thing they did was while they were locking down their 228 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 2: own society, they were telling others to take rivals from 229 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 2: China without travel restrictions or quarantines. Lockdowns are controversial, but 230 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 2: by locking down their own society, they were telling the 231 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 2: world they thought this was an effective way to stop disease. 232 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 2: You take these two things together, lying about contagiousness and 233 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 2: the lockdowns, and it shows that the spread of this 234 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 2: disease outside China's borders was deliberate. That means seven million 235 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 2: people outside of the China who died from COVID. Those 236 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 2: were murders. That includes one point two million Americans. We 237 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 2: know about fentanyl. Last year, forty eight thousand Americans from 238 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 2: a disease which we know the Communist Party sorry, a 239 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 2: drug which the Communist Party has been behind. They are 240 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 2: fully behind the fentanyl scourge. We know that because fentanyl producers, 241 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 2: some of them are state owned. But even if they're not, 242 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 2: China runs a total surveillance state, and they know what 243 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:24,199 Speaker 2: these fentanyl producers are doing. Chinese diplomats give covered to 244 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 2: the gangs. Chinese central government provides subsidies for the production 245 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 2: of fentanyl. Every container that leaves China is inspected by 246 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 2: Chinese officials. China's TikTok promotes illicited drug use. The fentanyl 247 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 2: gangs they laundered their proceeds through the Chinese state banking system. 248 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 2: I could go on and on, but you can see 249 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 2: that the fentanyl deaths are not overdoses. They're murders. We 250 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 2: can go on a number of different things China's doing, 251 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 2: but we can see that this is a long term 252 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 2: project to take down our country, and whether we think 253 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 2: about war in kinetic terms or not, this is a 254 00:17:57,960 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 2: struggle which is existential. 255 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: Gordon. That's so helpful in terms of setting the stage 256 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 1: for an appreciation of what they have been doing to 257 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: us until now. And you can obviously flesh it out 258 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 1: with other things that are not murderous literally though they 259 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: are deadly for sure, like destroying our industrial base and 260 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: like creating dependencies on Chinese sources of supply. That are 261 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: unreliable at best and at worst going to be. 262 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 2: Cut off, attacking our food supply. 263 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 1: Attacking our food supply. Indeed, and I guess I would 264 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: ask you this question very pointedly, at what point must 265 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 1: we consider the state we're in with respect to China 266 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 1: as a state of war. 267 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 2: The President of the United States has an obligation to 268 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 2: talk to the American people about what siegumping is doing, 269 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 2: which is preparing all of Chinese society, not just the military, 270 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 2: for war. We think we're a society in peace. We're not. 271 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 2: And I think that this was a failure of our 272 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 2: presidents going back to almost the turn of the century, 273 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 2: not to talk to the American people about what China 274 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,919 Speaker 2: is doing. So, although we're a far stronger society, as 275 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 2: I mentioned, we could lose our country because we're not 276 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 2: defending ourselves with the vigor and with the determination that 277 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 2: is necessary. So there's a failure of the American society 278 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 2: to understand the situation we are in, and that failure 279 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 2: stops at the top, starts at the top. 280 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more. It's time that we rectify that, 281 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: and I believe that Donald Trump is the man to 282 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 1: do it. We'll talk about another way in which he 283 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 1: can make a course correction on the other side of 284 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 1: this very short break. It's an incredibly important topic. Please 285 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: stay t in for more. 286 00:19:55,000 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 3: Right after this, we're back, and so is Bill Walton. 287 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: We've missed him, but we have him now, and we 288 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: have him on a topic that is of very important 289 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: well moment, shall we say, because the latest conference of parties, 290 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: the thirtieth of these things, where the world gathers to 291 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 1: fulminate about the terrible damage that is being done to 292 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: the world's climate and the temperature of that climate, specifically 293 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: by human produced CO two carbon dioxide. The last time 294 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: I checked, every time we excit, we are generating it 295 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: and limiting. That seems to me to be a formula 296 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 1: for some pretty nasty things for humans, to say nothing 297 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 1: of cows and a lot of other creatures. But we 298 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: are joined by Bill for the purposes of explaining what 299 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 1: on earth this is all about, and he brings to it, 300 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: of course, the expertise of a man who has spent 301 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,959 Speaker 1: much of his life in the financial sector. A maven 302 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,360 Speaker 1: of Wall Street at Allied Capital, he has most recently 303 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: been the host of a terrific television program, The Bill 304 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: Walton Show. He has until recently been the vice chairman 305 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: of the Conservative Political Action Coalition as well Men of 306 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: many Parts, and we're interested in his views on COP thirty. 307 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: Welcome back, Bill. It's good to have you, my friend. 308 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 4: Great, great talking with you, Frank. 309 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 1: So what I have to ask just for level setting purpose, Bill, 310 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: is your informed assessment of whether, in fact, man impacted 311 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: carbon dioxide production is causing the world to end at 312 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: some point in the foreseeable future or similar dire outcomes. 313 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 4: Well, we're talking about that that villain. CO two, which 314 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 4: is you mentioned, is sort of essential to life and 315 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 4: something we breathe out all the time, and most importantly 316 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,360 Speaker 4: it's essential to plant growth. And if you look at 317 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 4: you know, they've done some experiments and if you have 318 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 4: a plant sitting in a room with a certain level 319 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,919 Speaker 4: of CO two and then there's one just above that, 320 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 4: and then another above that, and you come back in 321 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 4: six months, the plant that was exposed to the most 322 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 4: CO two grows significantly larger than the other two. And 323 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 4: the CO two was demonized it they called it a 324 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 4: I remember what what was a phrase epad EPA used 325 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 4: to demonize it. Anyway, they did, and about fifteen years 326 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 4: ago and the. 327 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: Well, I think they had something on their mind, like 328 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: banning it. I think at one point it was just. 329 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 4: They have a term. They have a term. It's say, 330 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 4: oh gosh, I'm supposed to be expert in this, and 331 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 4: it slipped my mind. Well anyway, see, I'm I'm I'm 332 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 4: a member of a coalition called the CO two Coalition, 333 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 4: which is a group of scientists PhDs spent their lifetime 334 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 4: in this in this field, but you know, in physics 335 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 4: and in other related areas of science, not exactly climate, 336 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 4: because and the interesting thing about this group is they're 337 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 4: all retired. They're all sixty five, seventy seventy five years old. 338 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 4: Because you can't get a job in the climate field 339 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 4: unless you go along with the quote consensus. And so 340 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 4: since these guys are retired, they don't need grants, they 341 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 4: don't need their professorships. They can say they truly think, 342 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 4: and what they truly think is that CO two is 343 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 4: not only not harmful, but it's benign. And they will 344 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 4: admit that there has been some men made increase in 345 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 4: CO two and some man made increase in temperature, but 346 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:18,239 Speaker 4: not anything that is dramatic, nor anything that caused us 347 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 4: to reorganize society, drop fossil fuels and run to windmills 348 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 4: and solar and windmills. Chinese built windmills, Chinese built solar panels, 349 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 4: and of course China two coal plants a week. They're 350 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 4: the largest carbon bitter in the world. And interestingly, at 351 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 4: this conference, they had the biggest pavilion and they had 352 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 4: the largest delegation except for the delegation from Brazil, which, 353 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 4: of course, since it was hosted in Brazil, you would expect. Uh. 354 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 4: So China has become, in our absence, the leading advocate 355 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 4: for the readjusting the world economy, but not that Chinese economy, uh, 356 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 4: to address climate change. 357 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 5: Uh, it's it's almost the Chinese economy if you wanted 358 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 5: to if you wanted to wreck if you wanted to 359 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:13,640 Speaker 5: wreck western sieve, uh, civil you would. 360 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 4: You would start by reducing their ability to produce reliable, cheap, 361 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 4: consistent energy. And that's exactly what wind and solar are about. Germany, 362 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 4: we can see, used to be the manufacturing capital of 363 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 4: the world and now it's been, you know, eclipsed by 364 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:34,199 Speaker 4: China and the China. The German economy is growing, so 365 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 4: the Chinese is succeeding in their plan by demonizing carbon 366 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:43,639 Speaker 4: to to in effect destroy the German economy, the. 367 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 1: And not just the German economy. This is true in 368 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:47,439 Speaker 1: the not Well, you've. 369 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 4: Got France, you've got Brussels, you've got all the all 370 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,959 Speaker 4: the both most of the eager adopters, and Britain, Great Britain. 371 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 4: You know, cost of electricity is going up five times. 372 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 4: It's it's uh, it's it's it's. 373 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: Well, so it's turned to what this so called COP 374 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 1: thirty was about. What was the upshot of all of 375 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: this thrashing around about climate change and man induced stuff. 376 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 1: I think endangerment finding was the thing you were looking 377 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: for in terms of what EPA was saying about this. 378 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 2: I think that COP types are all about. 379 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:28,120 Speaker 4: Right, I should have had my groc open before me. Well, 380 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,640 Speaker 4: you know, as you pointed out, Conference of the Parties, 381 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 4: you know, is what COP stands for. COP thirty thirty 382 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 4: is thirty years. And this guy kicked off by something 383 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 4: called the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change and 384 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 4: they had their first meeting Earth Summit and Rio de 385 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 4: Janeiro in nineteen ninety two. They had another COP in 386 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 4: Berlin in nineteen ninety five. Now this gave us this conference. 387 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 4: It's not just a gathering. They come up with statements 388 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 4: and statements that they would hope that governments around the 389 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 4: world would follow to the letter. And they came up 390 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 4: the Kyoto Protocol and also the famous Paris Agreement, which 391 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 4: thankfully Donald Trump got us out of, which would have 392 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 4: had a catastrophic effect in our economy. And so they've 393 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 4: been coming together every year. This year was different because 394 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:24,919 Speaker 4: it was in Brazil beside the rainforest. In fact, they 395 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 4: had to carve out big chunks of the rainforest in 396 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,920 Speaker 4: order to accommodate a highway. 397 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,360 Speaker 1: To make this stuff up. 398 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 4: Now you can't. Then the cruise ships offshore to accommodate 399 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 4: the fact there weren't enough hotel rooms, and so you've 400 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,160 Speaker 4: got the cruise ships. You know, they're diesel engines running 401 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 4: away twenty four to seven. So the comedy is there, 402 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 4: But the serious thing is they want and a sense 403 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 4: if we've talked about this, Frank, this is all sort 404 00:27:55,200 --> 00:28:00,679 Speaker 4: of a one world governance agenda and similar climate what 405 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 4: World Health Organization is doing with their desire to take 406 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 4: control of governments when there's a crisis, when there's a pandemic, 407 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 4: and so this is more of one size fits all, 408 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 4: one world. You will be happy living with nothing, you 409 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,919 Speaker 4: will be happy owning nothing. And it's interestingly you go 410 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,679 Speaker 4: on the websites of all these different organizations and the 411 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 4: prescriptions are almost identical. This year, though the attendance was 412 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 4: roughly half what it was at the last one. They're 413 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 4: expecting one hundred thousand, they got fifty. And part of 414 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 4: that is because what Donald Trump has been doing in 415 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 4: the United States by really calling out what the climate 416 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 4: agenda as I think he flat out calls it a con, 417 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 4: a hoax, a con. And he has Chris Wright in 418 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 4: the Energy Department, who knows as much about this as 419 00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 4: anyone that's articulating what her energy needs should be. And 420 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 4: he's been very, very strong and advogating nuclear and also 421 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 4: pointing out that that the hydrocarbons are not the devil 422 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 4: that they've been portrayed as being, and so we need 423 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 4: to keep those in our energy mix. You know, it's interesting, 424 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 4: for thirty years they've been talking about switching over to 425 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 4: renewables wind and solar, and the mix of energy has 426 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 4: been about eighty percent fossil fuels for that entire period. 427 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 4: So for all this storm and drung. They haven't affected, 428 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 4: you know, the source of our energies. 429 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 1: And among other reasons, Bill for the very practical one 430 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: that almost everything we do that's important, whether it's you know, manufacturing, 431 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: whether it's artificial intelligence, if you think that's a thing 432 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: that will need to be pursuing, they all require reliable 433 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: base load power and simply don't produce. 434 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, so that's so right. A couple of things here. 435 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 4: There have been some big brain economists that have done 436 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 4: studies on this, and they will say there's like almost 437 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 4: a one to one correlation between energy production and lower 438 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 4: cost energy and economic growth. And so it's it's intrinsic 439 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 4: in the in economies that energy is the key driver. Also, 440 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 4: if you look at a chart, our energy level has 441 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 4: been flatlined for gosh, I don't know, twenty twenty five years, well. 442 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: China veluption, I mean, or what's consumption or production production. 443 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 4: Production, and you know, we've done a lot of energy 444 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 4: saving things with appliances and different sort of regulations, and 445 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 4: we haven't had that big of increase in demand and 446 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 4: electricity China. I think though, in anticipation of AI and 447 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 4: other needs, you know, the these technology, new technologies just 448 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 4: use energy. They just it's incredible how much appetite they 449 00:30:55,720 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 4: have for electrical power. Well, their chart for electrical reduction, 450 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 4: in part because of these two new coal plants every 451 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 4: week is going up like this. So they're much more 452 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 4: prepared to meet, for example, the needs of artificial intelligence. 453 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: Than we are, and increasingly from indigenous sources, notably cold. 454 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 4: As you would say, I got to make this point. 455 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 4: I know we're about done indigenous people. At this conference. 456 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 4: They were trotting out indigenous people. These are Indians that 457 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 4: live in the rainforest to say they really rather live 458 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 4: in the rainforest as is and not have modern life 459 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 4: than to have this terrible thing carbon. 460 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: I'm sure they were not pulled on the subject. 461 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 4: I'm sure they weren't paid either. 462 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 1: Just another fraud, just another hoax. Thanks Bill for this report. 463 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: We look forward to talking with you in the near future. 464 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 1: Thank you. I have a great Thanksgiving my friend, God 465 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: bless you and yours. We'll talk with you soon. We'll 466 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 1: be right back. Books, please to. 467 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 3: Welcome back. 468 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 1: We are talking now with a man to whom we 469 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: turn frequently on matters involving the challenges we face from 470 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: what I call Shariah supremacism. He is a practicing Muslim 471 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 1: by background. He is also a former Attendant commander in 472 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 1: the United States Navy. He served in its medical Corps, 473 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:49,720 Speaker 1: among other things, serving on Capitol Hill tending to the 474 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: members of Congress there and the Supreme Court. He has been, 475 00:32:54,280 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: among other things, an internist excuse me, a nuclear medicine 476 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 1: specialist his medical practice, and is also a man who 477 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: has taken a leading role in trying to reform Islam. 478 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 1: He is doctor Zudi Jasser, the author of an important 479 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: book on this subject entitled The Struggle for the Soul 480 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: of Islam. Is I recall patriots fight to save his faith. 481 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 1: He has been, among other things, the founder and leader 482 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 1: of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy and the Muslim 483 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 1: Reform Movement, and we're always delighted to catch up with 484 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: him whenever we can. Doctor Jasser, we're speaking to you 485 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 1: before Thanksgiving. I hope you have a very happy one, 486 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: and I give thanks for your appearances on this program, 487 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 1: among other things. Welcome back, well, thank you. 488 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:53,959 Speaker 6: Likewise, Frank, it's always great to be with you. 489 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 2: Appreciate it. 490 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: Thank you, so Zudi. In the past few days, the President, 491 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 1: as shared with John Solomon and his audience that he 492 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 1: intends to designate the Muslim Brotherhood as an international terrorist organization. 493 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 1: And you have been contending with the Brothers probably as 494 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:22,280 Speaker 1: long in as hard as anybody I know, both within 495 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 1: the struggle for the soul of Islam, as you put it, 496 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: but also in terms of their efforts to sort of 497 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,720 Speaker 1: marginalize you or worse, talk to us about this group, 498 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,320 Speaker 1: the role that it is playing, not just you know, 499 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 1: elsewhere around the world, but here in the United States 500 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 1: as well, and the implications for our country if we 501 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 1: fail to treat them as they should be as a 502 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: terrorist organization. 503 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 6: Well, this designation has been a long time coming, and 504 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 6: as I talk about in my book, a Battle for 505 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 6: the Soul of Islam, from when I was in college 506 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 6: at the Inn, Wisconsin. My foray and understanding the ravages 507 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 6: of political Islam was working against the Muslim Student Association 508 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 6: and quickly getting an education on what they're all about, 509 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 6: the fact that they use Islam as a cloaking in 510 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:21,840 Speaker 6: order to control communities, to control minorities, vulnerable groups like 511 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 6: women and others in their own cliques if you are 512 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 6: in the West, but then globally it's a movement that 513 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 6: whose mothership Islamism if the ideology, but the mothership of 514 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 6: the of the movement is the Muslim Brotherhood on the 515 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,919 Speaker 6: Sunday side, based out of Egypt, and that movement has 516 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,759 Speaker 6: had thousands upon thousands of splinter groups that have emanated 517 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 6: from it. And the designation of that group as a 518 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:48,279 Speaker 6: terror group, you know, is I think one of the milestones, 519 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,399 Speaker 6: if you will, and I use that term intentionally, has 520 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 6: been to the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood talks about 521 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 6: in a book milestones on how he is going to 522 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 6: defeat the West. Seydo Kotov did the same thing, and 523 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,719 Speaker 6: they use these miles stones as a way to defeat secular, 524 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 6: non Islamic countries. And we should have milestones for America 525 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 6: first for defeating our greatest threats, whether it be Soviet 526 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 6: communism in the twentieth century or now political Islam in 527 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,279 Speaker 6: the twenty first century, and all of its permutations from 528 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:20,760 Speaker 6: the OIC and I think ultimately the Muslim Brotherhood by 529 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 6: designating it, and we can go into some of the 530 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,240 Speaker 6: other points in history from the Holy Land Foundation, trial 531 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:31,439 Speaker 6: and on victories, but this designation will certainly give us 532 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 6: freedom thinking Muslims a lot more oxygen. 533 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,279 Speaker 1: Well, I pray so Zudi and again, depriving you of 534 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 1: that oxygen is a central purpose of the Brothers, is 535 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 1: it not, And really trying to assure that they and 536 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 1: only they speak for the Muslim community in the United States, 537 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 1: and at the same time they're all about radicalizing it, 538 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 1: including people I believe, like you know, your own family 539 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 1: who came here to get away from Sharia and all 540 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 1: that it compels mum pithful Muslims to do, including jihad. 541 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 6: Right one hundred percent, And all you need to do 542 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,319 Speaker 6: is you know. I testified to Congress about this a 543 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 6: few times, the last time was twenty eighteen to Congressman 544 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,360 Speaker 6: DeSantis on the Oversight Committee about why the Muslim Brotherhood 545 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 6: should be declared a terrorist organization. And at the end 546 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,239 Speaker 6: of the day, a lot of these groups, if you 547 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,200 Speaker 6: look at the Holyland Foundation trial, Care was a unindicted 548 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 6: co conspirator because it was part of the funnel. It's 549 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,799 Speaker 6: an adjacent group that provided a lot of the contacts 550 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 6: and networking for funding that ultimately led to money going 551 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,360 Speaker 6: to Hamas, which is why the board of the Holyland 552 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 6: Foundation is in prison for twenty five years. So a 553 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,359 Speaker 6: lot of these adjacent groups are feeding from that same ideology. 554 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 6: What is that, the sense that Islam is a supremacist idea. 555 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,719 Speaker 6: Islamic law should control the communities and it takes precedence 556 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:03,359 Speaker 6: over any other law, be it American constitution, Western secular law, 557 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 6: Christian law, whatever it might be. They find those to 558 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 6: be inferior to their Islamic supremacism, and their emams teach 559 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,720 Speaker 6: that from the pulpit within our country, which I called 560 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,280 Speaker 6: out from ninety five when I was in my uniform 561 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 6: at the Islamic Society of North America, I called out 562 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:23,040 Speaker 6: Sadaj Wahaj as being a seditious trader because he held 563 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 6: up the Koran and said, we are here to replace 564 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 6: this from the Constitution to the Qoran. And I said 565 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,759 Speaker 6: that sedition. And now that Imam, thirty years later is 566 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,279 Speaker 6: taking pictures with Mamdani a few weeks before he won 567 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,399 Speaker 6: the New York mayorship, So this designation could not come 568 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 6: too soon and finally begin to expose the reality of 569 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,480 Speaker 6: people like Mamdani and ilhan Omar that really have oaths 570 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 6: to systems outside of America, outside of our constitution, that 571 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,440 Speaker 6: make them truly a threat to our freedom and democracy 572 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 6: and s. 573 00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 1: Just a quick point, you mentioned the Muslims Students Association, 574 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,240 Speaker 1: which was the wellspring of the Muslim Brotherhood of course 575 00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: in the sixties. You also mentioned the Council in American 576 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:12,640 Speaker 1: Islamic Relations, a group that is not, I don't think 577 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:17,480 Speaker 1: just adjacent to Hamas. It was established by Hamas. And 578 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,680 Speaker 1: we know that because the FBI back in the day 579 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,719 Speaker 1: when it did this sort of thing, was wiretapping the 580 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,080 Speaker 1: organizational meeting in Philadelphia, and it was very clear that 581 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:30,319 Speaker 1: Hamas or SAMA as they called it in code, was 582 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,319 Speaker 1: you know, to be the beneficiary of this sort of 583 00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:38,680 Speaker 1: political warfare instrument called the Council on American Islamic Relations 584 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 1: or CARE. So again, you have been confronting these guys. 585 00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,439 Speaker 1: You have seen firsthand the kind of control they try 586 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:50,080 Speaker 1: to exercise and the kind of submission they seek to 587 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 1: impose on everybody, not just Muslims like yourself, but the 588 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,120 Speaker 1: rest of us as well. We have to take a 589 00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:57,640 Speaker 1: short break. When we come back, I want to talk 590 00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:01,799 Speaker 1: about another of these characters on mom Dannie met the 591 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:25,000 Speaker 1: President of the White House last week. Stay tuned. We're back, 592 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:29,680 Speaker 1: and so is doctor Zudi jasser Man, who served in 593 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,440 Speaker 1: the uniform of the United States Navy, and these days 594 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:38,640 Speaker 1: is seeking to run for Congress from his state of Arizona. 595 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,360 Speaker 1: He did once before, he seems to be making headway 596 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,080 Speaker 1: this time around, and we're very pleased to have him 597 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,480 Speaker 1: here with us to talk about some of the topics 598 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,239 Speaker 1: that that should be I hope front and center in 599 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,520 Speaker 1: your race, Zudi. And another of them is the fact 600 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 1: that you have been fairly forthright, shall we say, in 601 00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:04,359 Speaker 1: your credit of another of these Sharia supremacists, a man 602 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:08,600 Speaker 1: who is a convert to Islam, a convict in fact, 603 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:14,879 Speaker 1: to the Shia strain of Islam that has a sort 604 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,920 Speaker 1: of death cult quality to it, Twelverrism, as it's called, 605 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,319 Speaker 1: despite the fact that he's not only all of that, 606 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:27,440 Speaker 1: but a communist to boot, and the President of the 607 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:34,480 Speaker 1: United States had properly castigated him in the race to 608 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,839 Speaker 1: become the next mayor of New York City. Having won 609 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,600 Speaker 1: that race, the President actually met with him at the 610 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:47,319 Speaker 1: White House last week, and you'd hardly know that not 611 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,080 Speaker 1: only had the President called him out for what he is, 612 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,680 Speaker 1: but Zorammdani had described the President as, oh, I don't know, 613 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,680 Speaker 1: a fascist and a dictator, and the like something he's 614 00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:00,560 Speaker 1: actually said again subsequent to the meeting, and yet he 615 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,880 Speaker 1: got a very hearty welcome and a promise from the 616 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,600 Speaker 1: President to try to help him succeed. What do you 617 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,520 Speaker 1: make of all this, sir, and what should the rest 618 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:09,200 Speaker 1: of us make of it? 619 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:15,120 Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, the President I think is likely well 620 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:20,759 Speaker 6: intended trying to, you know, in many ways help New 621 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:25,680 Speaker 6: Yorkers withstand the Socialist onslaught, the Islamist onslaught that's going 622 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,400 Speaker 6: to happen with the mayor, and try to buffet some 623 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:30,839 Speaker 6: of that. But at the end of the day, the 624 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,680 Speaker 6: Islamists are simply dissimulators. They will lie in every meeting 625 00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,719 Speaker 6: in order to appease whoever's in front of them, and 626 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,080 Speaker 6: then go on to do what they do with their 627 00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:44,000 Speaker 6: closest constituents, which are the Islamists and the Red Green Axis. 628 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:48,200 Speaker 6: So I wouldn't trust anything Mamdanie would say at the 629 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,319 Speaker 6: press conference or at the meeting that he had with 630 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,480 Speaker 6: the President. And actually I was a bit saddened to 631 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,080 Speaker 6: see him platform this way because there's no really contrary 632 00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,640 Speaker 6: narrative right now for Muslims. One of the reasons I'm 633 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,880 Speaker 6: running is I believe we need to flip the script 634 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,840 Speaker 6: the DEI years. If you look recently just this weekend, 635 00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:13,040 Speaker 6: h Rap Brown, who then Trent, who then converted to Islam, 636 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,880 Speaker 6: was part of the Red Green Axis back in the 637 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,560 Speaker 6: sixties and seventies when he was killing cops and radicalizing 638 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:23,839 Speaker 6: Muslims along with Malcolm X and you know Fara Khan 639 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,959 Speaker 6: and Muhammad Ali and other icons. And now we've come 640 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,239 Speaker 6: thirty forty years later with BLM, etc. That Red Green 641 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,919 Speaker 6: axis is more potent than ever. And Mamdani as part 642 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,600 Speaker 6: of the immigrant part of that access of the Islamists 643 00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,600 Speaker 6: that have come to destroy America from abroad, be it 644 00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:44,920 Speaker 6: from Congo, Iran, India, wherever it might be. They despise, 645 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:49,480 Speaker 6: they despise the West, and they're trying to use Katari money, 646 00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:54,000 Speaker 6: Turkish money, and others to destroy us in a common 647 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,040 Speaker 6: enemy process that with the Chinese and others. And we 648 00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,360 Speaker 6: have to expose that. And we want to flip the 649 00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,400 Speaker 6: script so that we can say, you know what, this 650 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,320 Speaker 6: is a very American battle. Our founding fathers fought against 651 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,840 Speaker 6: theocracy and created the greatest democracy in the world. Muslims 652 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,640 Speaker 6: are having this same battle. And President Trump said it 653 00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,520 Speaker 6: as you mentioned to me back in twenty sixteen that 654 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:17,760 Speaker 6: this is a core battle against radical Islam, theocratic Islam, 655 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:19,880 Speaker 6: that we have Muslims that are on our side in 656 00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,879 Speaker 6: our reform movement, and the Mamdanis of the world are 657 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:27,440 Speaker 6: the enemy, if you will, of that from that ideology 658 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,000 Speaker 6: that we need to defeat. And I hope he has 659 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,560 Speaker 6: for every one press conference he does with Mamdani, he 660 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,960 Speaker 6: has ten with our Clarity Coalition and Muslim reformers to 661 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,759 Speaker 6: begin to flip that narrative, if you will, and make 662 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,200 Speaker 6: it about diversity of ideas, not diversity of skin color 663 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:43,960 Speaker 6: and other apologetics. 664 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,040 Speaker 1: Well, I do too, Zudi, and I want to thank 665 00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,160 Speaker 1: you for bringing back up this idea of a very 666 00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:55,560 Speaker 1: important speech that the president made when he was actually 667 00:44:55,640 --> 00:45:00,440 Speaker 1: the Republican nominee for presidents in his first campaign sixteen. 668 00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:05,560 Speaker 1: In August fifteenth of that year's to be precise, he 669 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:12,560 Speaker 1: went to Youngstown, Ohio to deliver a profound denunciation of 670 00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:16,239 Speaker 1: what Hillary Clinton was doing with the Muslim brothers and 671 00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,200 Speaker 1: others in the you know what, he called the radical 672 00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:25,960 Speaker 1: Islamic you know, sort of ideological camp. And in addition 673 00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:30,719 Speaker 1: to condemning the ideology of radical Islam, he said two 674 00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:35,080 Speaker 1: things that I think weren't repeating in this moment, specifically 675 00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:41,319 Speaker 1: about Mumdani. He pledged to quote screen out any immigrants 676 00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:47,120 Speaker 1: who have hostile attitudes towards our country or its principles, 677 00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:52,919 Speaker 1: or who believe that Sharia law should supplant American law. 678 00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:01,719 Speaker 1: He also said that he would take it to the 679 00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:07,439 Speaker 1: quote support networks for radical Islam in this country, which 680 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:14,239 Speaker 1: will be stripped out and removed one by one. So 681 00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:18,360 Speaker 1: I guess I ask you, Zudi Jasser in New York City, 682 00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:24,200 Speaker 1: for example, is that likely that we'll see people who 683 00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:29,879 Speaker 1: espouse Sharia being discouraged from coming to the city taking up, 684 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,560 Speaker 1: you know, rolls in networks there of the Muslim brotherhood, 685 00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:36,799 Speaker 1: or is it likely that we'll see more of that, 686 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,279 Speaker 1: In fact, they'll be kind of given a sanctuary in 687 00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:43,000 Speaker 1: which to operate. And one other thing, you said that 688 00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,600 Speaker 1: you wouldn't trust anything he says, How about the loyalty 689 00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,520 Speaker 1: oath that he's supposed to take upon taking office. You've 690 00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,279 Speaker 1: sworn that oath many times I know in the course 691 00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:57,560 Speaker 1: of your career. If he does take it, whether it's 692 00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,239 Speaker 1: on a Quran or something else, is it likely that 693 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,840 Speaker 1: he will adhere to that oath in your estimations. 694 00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,200 Speaker 6: Well well, as we learned in the Cold War, we 695 00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,240 Speaker 6: can vet immigrants for whether they're part of the Communist 696 00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,959 Speaker 6: Party or part of ideologies that threaten us. And it's 697 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,200 Speaker 6: you know, we've put them on record. They could lie, 698 00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,680 Speaker 6: but we put them on record. And then ultimately, as 699 00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:18,680 Speaker 6: I've tried so many times in the House and the 700 00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,360 Speaker 6: Senate to tell them, listen, we need to vet folks 701 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:26,160 Speaker 6: that get clearances and so many whether it's police, Pentagon officials, 702 00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:30,280 Speaker 6: service members, all of them should be vetted for these ideologies. 703 00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,280 Speaker 6: And that vetting is not only their loyalty oaths, which 704 00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,760 Speaker 6: they absolutely have to take as citizens, but it's also 705 00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,279 Speaker 6: what have they said to be on our side in 706 00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,719 Speaker 6: this war for liberty, for separation of Moskin State, for 707 00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:47,319 Speaker 6: our constitution? Have they countered Shariah? And mcdonnie hasn't done 708 00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,480 Speaker 6: any of that. He stood next to its misogynists, he 709 00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:54,640 Speaker 6: stood next to anti American theocrats and has apologized. These 710 00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,720 Speaker 6: are organizations that he works with, our part and parcel 711 00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,560 Speaker 6: of cut, our Turkey, et cetera. And they hate America 712 00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:01,240 Speaker 6: and the hate. 713 00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,720 Speaker 1: Israel, and they're seeking to destroy us from within. Zudi Jesser, 714 00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,560 Speaker 1: thank you for standing against all of that. Come back 715 00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,480 Speaker 1: to us with updates on it, if you would. God 716 00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,279 Speaker 1: bless you, my friend. Thanks to all of you for 717 00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,319 Speaker 1: joining us this time. I hope you'll do so next time. 718 00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,160 Speaker 1: Until then, go forth and multiply