WEBVTT - Tom Verducci talks state of NL/AL West, Mets dud, D-Will downfall

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<v Speaker 1>Here we go one of the best baseball writers ever,

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Berducci. Check out his work in SI and of course,

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<v Speaker 1>as I mentioned before, Buddy with AJ on Fox to

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<v Speaker 1>hear those two throughout the season, but then in the

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<v Speaker 1>postseason together on the call for an American League game.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go, he's really got the company logo going today, Tom,

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<v Speaker 1>great to have you on. How you doing and are

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<v Speaker 1>you prepared for the postseason?

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<v Speaker 2>With a not prepared for the postseason because I have

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<v Speaker 2>no idea what's going to happen, Like who's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be in it? By the way, I think I just

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<v Speaker 2>got back. I did the Mets Braids game last night.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it just ended. That was an ugly ballgame

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<v Speaker 2>that took forever. Besides green delay. My goodness, it was

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<v Speaker 2>like watching you know, when your kids first start doing

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<v Speaker 2>pitch player pitch rather than coach pitch and little league

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<v Speaker 2>and it's ball one, ball two, ball three. That's what

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<v Speaker 2>the Mets the Braids did last night.

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<v Speaker 1>What was it like at the ballpark? Tom, Because we

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<v Speaker 1>did cover this at the top of the show. The

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<v Speaker 1>Mets are going through a really, really tough time at

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<v Speaker 1>the moment, and the pitching staff is crumbling.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's interesting because they had all those good vibes

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<v Speaker 2>from the night before. You mentioned the Alonso home run record,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were supposed to have a celebration before the

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<v Speaker 2>game where they actually had a ceremony for Pete and

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<v Speaker 2>that got wiped out by the rain.

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<v Speaker 3>So that was a downer.

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<v Speaker 2>But then the Mets jump on Carlos Carrasco's now DFA

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<v Speaker 2>because quite frankly, and I love Cookie, it just does

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<v Speaker 2>not have major league stuff. The Mets jumped on and

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<v Speaker 2>for six quick But how do you lose that game?

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<v Speaker 2>You're up six at home, I guess the team out

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<v Speaker 2>of contention, and they boat race you with eleven unanswered runs.

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<v Speaker 2>And again, it's something that's really harm the Mets all year.

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<v Speaker 2>They can't command the baseball. They've walked more batters than

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<v Speaker 2>any pitching staff at the National League. It's been a

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<v Speaker 2>problem all year. We know all about the lack of

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<v Speaker 2>length from their starting rotation. That's still an issue and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't see it getting better anytime soon. Yes, they

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<v Speaker 2>fortified the bullpen, but that starting rotation right now is

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<v Speaker 2>a real problem for New York.

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<v Speaker 4>Tom That's one of my questions with the Mets. Just

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<v Speaker 4>the starting pitching, not giving him length. The bullpen gets

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<v Speaker 4>worn out. But they haven't hit either. They haven't hit

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<v Speaker 4>like the we thought the Mets would hit. So what

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, what the heck is I mean, we can

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<v Speaker 4>throw the Yankees in there too, Like what's going on

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<v Speaker 4>in New York. If something happened to the water that

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<v Speaker 4>we don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Know about, Yeah, something in the water. I'll tell you

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<v Speaker 2>if with the Mets it is a little bit the offense.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought they had a top five offense when the

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<v Speaker 2>year started. It hasn't worked that way. You look at

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<v Speaker 2>Sodo and he's taking more strikes in the zone than

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<v Speaker 2>ever before in his career. We know he's a patient hitter,

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<v Speaker 2>but then when he gets runners on base, he's hitting

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<v Speaker 2>below two hundred. He's between a lot of times, and

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<v Speaker 2>that was the case last night.

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<v Speaker 3>I know we hit a home run.

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<v Speaker 2>Why Carrasco threw him a four seam fastball, I do

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<v Speaker 2>not know, because Wan Soto does not hit sinkers. He

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely destroys four steamers. And that's not the kind of

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<v Speaker 2>guy that challenged one with a four seamer. But after that,

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<v Speaker 2>they just sput him to death and he struck out

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<v Speaker 2>three straight times.

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<v Speaker 3>Bases loaded.

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<v Speaker 2>So Lindor has gotten extremely streaky this year. That's hard

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<v Speaker 2>to figure. I mean, we know he's a good offensive player,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's been in one of those funks now. But

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<v Speaker 2>you look at the bullpen that you mentioned, Aj, it's

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<v Speaker 2>interesting to me. Yes, you can be like San Diego

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<v Speaker 2>and bullpen teams to death, but to do that, you have.

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<v Speaker 3>To have them lined up in order.

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<v Speaker 2>Like Hellsley is the guy to me that got to

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<v Speaker 2>be that weapon. Drop him into a game, middle of

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<v Speaker 2>the order, six or seventh inning.

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<v Speaker 3>Get out of that jam.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got Diaz behind in the close at the face

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<v Speaker 2>the middle of the order the next time it comes up.

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<v Speaker 3>They can't do that with Helsley. He's so used to.

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<v Speaker 2>Being a one inning clean guy, does not do up

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<v Speaker 2>and downs, has a routine to get ready, to get ready.

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<v Speaker 3>For the ninth inning.

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<v Speaker 2>They're trying to groom him now into that super guy

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<v Speaker 2>to drop in the middle of the game, and he

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<v Speaker 2>just can't do it yet. I don't know if he's

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<v Speaker 2>going to get there in time the next six weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>So you look at the names and it looks good

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of depth of bullpen pieces. Yes, they're picking

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<v Speaker 2>up a lot of innings. We know that, but there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of things they need to get straightened out.

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<v Speaker 2>They're pitching a kid Nolan McLain on Saturday. You got

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<v Speaker 2>Mantaz and Blackburn starters in the bullpen, and Senga is

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<v Speaker 2>not stretched out seam Andya is not stretched out. Clay

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<v Speaker 2>Holmes is only a five any pitcher right now at best.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why I say this is something that is not

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<v Speaker 2>just a slump. I like the offense still, I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's a slump. But the pitching staff has some real

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<v Speaker 2>world issues.

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<v Speaker 5>They have issues we talk about You talked about Kogie

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<v Speaker 5>Carrasco not being a big league pitcher. This is a

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<v Speaker 5>team with playoff aspirations. If I were to say to

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<v Speaker 5>be any season World Series aspirations, the lineup has the

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<v Speaker 5>potential to be a World Series lineup. Does the pitching

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<v Speaker 5>staff as a whole even have the chance to be

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<v Speaker 5>a NLCS pitching staff.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a great question.

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<v Speaker 2>As much as I know that bullpen dominates in the postseason,

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<v Speaker 2>right look at last year Dodgers win the World Series.

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<v Speaker 2>Their starters go four and four, the bullpenk goes seven

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<v Speaker 2>to one. I think the Lavers through more innings than

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<v Speaker 2>the starters.

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<v Speaker 3>So there is a.

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<v Speaker 2>Path, but you still at times, as Yamamoto did, you

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<v Speaker 2>need some guy or two guys to go out there

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<v Speaker 2>at some point and take the ball into the sixth

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<v Speaker 2>and seventh and win the game yourself as a starting pitcher.

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<v Speaker 3>Right now, the Mets don't have that pitcher. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>If Sega is fully stretched out and he's healthy, yeah

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<v Speaker 2>he can be that guy. But again he's not there.

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<v Speaker 2>He's still gonna need some time.

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<v Speaker 3>You guys know.

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<v Speaker 2>That these pitchers have to go through progressions to work

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<v Speaker 2>up to being that eighty to one hundred pitch guy

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<v Speaker 2>to pitch three times through a lineup. The Mets literally

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<v Speaker 2>don't have one of those starters right now. Yes, I think,

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<v Speaker 2>as much as I like their bullpen, that's still a

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<v Speaker 2>problem when you get the postseason baseball.

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<v Speaker 5>All right, let's go to another bullpen guy that's doing

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<v Speaker 5>Devin Williams. Is he officially with what Benar's done since

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<v Speaker 5>he's come over? Is he officially you are seventh or

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<v Speaker 5>eighth inning guy? A different spot other than I know.

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<v Speaker 5>Aaron Boone said, we got to find some soft landing spots,

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<v Speaker 5>and right now we don't have any soft landing spots.

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<v Speaker 5>Do you think he is supplanted by Bennar? I do?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean in my you know that circle of trust,

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<v Speaker 2>late game, high leverage guy, have a lead, lock it down.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm all about Weaver and Bednar before I put Devin

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<v Speaker 2>in that position.

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<v Speaker 3>Now he may get there. I'm with you. Give him a.

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<v Speaker 2>Few soft landings, get the confidence going. Two pitch guy

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<v Speaker 2>in the changeup doesn't seem to be coming out of

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<v Speaker 2>his hand just the same way.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's New York at this point, you

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<v Speaker 2>know more than I almost three quarters of the way

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<v Speaker 2>through his season. That adjustment period to me should be over.

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<v Speaker 3>But not the same stuff coming out of the head.

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<v Speaker 2>So I can't just give him the ball on reputation

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<v Speaker 2>here in eighth, ninth inning, one run game. I've got

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<v Speaker 2>to back him up a little bit and eventually hope

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<v Speaker 2>that he gets there.

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<v Speaker 3>But he's not there right now.

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<v Speaker 4>There's good races going on AL West NL West. There

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<v Speaker 4>are awesome races right within a game of each other

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<v Speaker 4>right there. It's great for baseball. Forget the wildcard. I

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<v Speaker 4>want to know who wins the division in the world.

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<v Speaker 4>The third wildcard is great, but I want your take

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<v Speaker 4>on both these the Padres Dodgers and on the other side,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean the Mariners and the Astros. Who's the better

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<v Speaker 4>teams here and who's gonna get that buy in the

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<v Speaker 4>first round for both of these divisions.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, great races.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I like Seattle over Houston, and I totally

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<v Speaker 2>respect the Astros, and you never count that team out.

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<v Speaker 3>They're battle tested, we know that.

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<v Speaker 2>But I just like the roster after the trade deadline

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<v Speaker 2>for Seattle a little bit better. And I think they're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna pitch better because guys like Kirby and Gilbert. To me,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to say they've underachieved, but there's more

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<v Speaker 2>in the tank there with those guys. So I would

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<v Speaker 2>lean towards Seattle in the West. In National League West,

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<v Speaker 2>I still have to say the Dodgers, but I'm telling you, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>there's something that's just not right with this team. This

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<v Speaker 2>is not just you know, let's get healthy. They've not

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<v Speaker 2>played well this year. The thing that jumps out to me, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>the Dodgers are not a good defensive team. In the

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<v Speaker 2>last six years, they've been either first or second in

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<v Speaker 2>Major League Baseball, and turning batted balls into outs. Now

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<v Speaker 2>that stet because that's not just about defense. It's about

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<v Speaker 2>the way your pitchers control weak contact right, hit the

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<v Speaker 2>ball softly. Your defense is more likely to make the play.

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<v Speaker 2>The Dodgers have been first or second every year for

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<v Speaker 2>six straight years. They're eighteenth this year. They're below average.

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<v Speaker 2>They have a losing record against winning teams for the

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<v Speaker 2>first time in more than a decade. There's some systemic

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<v Speaker 2>problems here. They've pitched starters on the fourth day, we

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<v Speaker 2>four days of rest, less than anybody in baseball. I

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<v Speaker 2>get it. That's their mo Let's stretch everybody out. Gig economy,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, divide up the workload among the many guys.

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<v Speaker 2>But the problem is they haven't pitched third time around

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<v Speaker 2>as much as anybody else in baseball. Those guys aren't

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<v Speaker 2>really locked down now to do that. So I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know that Glassnow and Snell are going to be locked

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<v Speaker 2>down and know Towny lockdowns starters in the postseason.

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<v Speaker 3>It seems to me.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to say that there's not an urgency

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<v Speaker 2>here because this is the way they're designed to play.

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<v Speaker 3>I just don't like the way that they're playing right.

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<v Speaker 2>The offense isn't as good as we thought, the defense

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<v Speaker 2>isn't as good as we thought, and the pitching isn't

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<v Speaker 2>as good as we thought.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm still gonna say the Dodgers.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna sounds like I'm contradicting myself, but top to bottom,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm betting on the talent. I think they're a deeper

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<v Speaker 2>team than San Diego, but there's no question San Diego

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<v Speaker 2>is a hotter team by far.

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<v Speaker 5>Right now, you are one of the only people that

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<v Speaker 5>agrees with me on this show or any of the

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<v Speaker 5>other shows on our network. I agree, I think the

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<v Speaker 5>Dodgers are going to come out on top. But do

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<v Speaker 5>you feel like them coming out on top will be

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<v Speaker 5>a need for Mooki to go back to right field.

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<v Speaker 5>You talk about defense, you have a better shortstop on

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<v Speaker 5>the team. Who plays shortstop still in Rojas? And isn't

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<v Speaker 5>I mean he's gonna give you what he's given you.

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<v Speaker 5>And you said the offense isn't that great? But now,

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<v Speaker 5>all of a sudden, you've upgraded two positions. When you

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<v Speaker 5>have a guy that plays gold glove right field. Do

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<v Speaker 5>you see them making that move here in September or

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<v Speaker 5>even here in August to be able to solidify and

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<v Speaker 5>make them a better defensive team.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great point, Eric, I mean, I think they're

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<v Speaker 2>probably a better team with Mookie back in right field,

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<v Speaker 2>But I think they're so committed and Mookie's been so

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<v Speaker 2>committed to it, that it's hard for them to get

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<v Speaker 2>off it at this point. So while I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>something that they should consider, I don't see them doing

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<v Speaker 2>it at this late stage game of the season.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's a great point.

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<v Speaker 2>You can make the case they will be and should

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<v Speaker 2>be a better defensive team in that alignment, but I

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<v Speaker 2>don't see them doing that.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, Mookie's made.

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<v Speaker 2>Himself a pretty good shortstop. I can't say he's an

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<v Speaker 2>elite major league shortstop. I don't think he's harmed him

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<v Speaker 2>that much. But if you want incremental upgrades, I like

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<v Speaker 2>him better in right field and shortstop. I just don't

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<v Speaker 2>see the Dodgers pulling the trigger on that.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Tom, you do a great job with Joe Madden

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<v Speaker 1>on the Book of Joe podcast.

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<v Speaker 5>I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>I listen to it all the time. So you can

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<v Speaker 1>help me out with this one, because I think the

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<v Speaker 1>stat that you said was that the last five years

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<v Speaker 1>has produced top four home run teams in the regular

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<v Speaker 1>season as World Series champs. So do you think that

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<v Speaker 1>streak continues as it stands right now? Yankees, Dodgers, Angels, Diamondbacks,

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<v Speaker 1>and if we want to include the Mariners because they're

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<v Speaker 1>tied with the d Backs, those are your teams in

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<v Speaker 1>the top five home run wise, Padres twenty ninth, Brewers fourteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>blue Jay's nineteenth.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad you brought that up, Scott, because I love

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<v Speaker 2>watching the Milwaukee Brewers play baseball.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, how can you not right? They played the

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<v Speaker 3>game the right way.

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<v Speaker 2>They play hard, they put the ball in play, they

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<v Speaker 2>run the bass is great, They're very athletic. They're a

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<v Speaker 2>younger team with young legs, and they just put pressure

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<v Speaker 2>on teams constantly. You don't know if they're gonna bunt

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<v Speaker 2>or hit and run or steal a base, but you

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<v Speaker 2>must be prepared every pitch.

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<v Speaker 3>That's something maybe up.

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<v Speaker 2>And I love that kind of pressure, that anticipation of

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<v Speaker 2>something happening. That being said, yes, there is something that

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<v Speaker 2>in this game day and age, where you get to

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<v Speaker 2>the postseason and you're seeing the front of rotations, the

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<v Speaker 2>backup bullpens, with the off days, that's pretty much all

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<v Speaker 2>you're seeing. It's very hard to string those rallies together

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<v Speaker 2>with three four hits, right, and that's where those one swings,

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<v Speaker 2>two swings Guy on bass pop one can win a

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<v Speaker 2>game for you. And yes, and I think it's the

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<v Speaker 2>last five times five years no lower than fourth.

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<v Speaker 3>In Major League Baseball, not just in the league in

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<v Speaker 3>home runs.

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<v Speaker 2>The Brewers, I think last time I checked, were about

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<v Speaker 2>eighteenth or nineteenth in home runs. The last time a

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<v Speaker 2>team won the World Series without being in the top

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<v Speaker 2>half of Major League Baseball at home runs was the

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<v Speaker 2>twenty fifteen Kansas City Royals. That's a decade ago. You

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<v Speaker 2>guys know how much the game has changed. This is

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<v Speaker 2>a very different game played in twenty five that wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>team So I like to believe it's true, but you gotta.

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<v Speaker 4>Show me that first Tom five second time out. I

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<v Speaker 4>got a special visitor. I don't know if you guys

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<v Speaker 4>know who this is.

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<v Speaker 3>Scott. That's when I watched football. That was the primetime

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<v Speaker 3>day video.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah exactly. That's what happens when you show up at Fox.

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<v Speaker 4>You just random people walking.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh nice, Oh, tell me good things about Penn State.

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<v Speaker 3>I just gotta know good things about Penn State.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a good thing about Penn State.

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<v Speaker 3>Dudes, we'll see you.

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<v Speaker 4>Said they're gonna win it all by the way, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>c l.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, good answer, good stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, I feel like that was a valid interruption there

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<v Speaker 1>aj here, we got two minutes to go.

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<v Speaker 4>So we just had one of the best looking quarterbacks

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<v Speaker 4>of all time. Tom, I got to meet the all

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<v Speaker 4>time best looking Fox employee today. So your second Tom,

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<v Speaker 4>but this other Tom beat you, So I have to admit.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, Tom, you're a great looking fellow, but that

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<v Speaker 4>guy beat you for Fox Sports rankings.

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<v Speaker 2>I have no problem being number two behind that dude.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that is that's the goat in every way.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't call him the goat for nothing. And he

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<v Speaker 3>can play and he can play baseball. Yes, he got drafted.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he asked me.

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<v Speaker 3>He's like, he's like exos catcher.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a pretty dark with golfer and there's probably nothing

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<v Speaker 2>he can't do.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, you're the only good Tom on this show. Okay,

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<v Speaker 5>you are Tom. He is Brady. Okay, just just remember that.

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<v Speaker 2>You got you gotta get him on the show. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>get brand and me at the same time.

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<v Speaker 3>How about that?

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<v Speaker 4>He said he would if you could fit it in

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<v Speaker 4>the schedule, which is schedules.

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<v Speaker 3>He said he would.

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<v Speaker 4>He loves to talk baseball. And we just had Matt

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<v Speaker 4>Lionard on. I mean Tom Brady, Matt Lioner. Once one

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<v Speaker 4>has a heisman, the other one does it.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, right, well done.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true. That is something AJ would say through both

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<v Speaker 1>of them if he was standing with them both. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>how does it feel.

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<v Speaker 4>That Lioner some walking in and he had a USC shirt?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, U C l A right, and he's like

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<v Speaker 4>what he gave me? Knuckles duds Like no, He's like

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<v Speaker 4>you said USC.

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<v Speaker 1>That's good. Well, Tom, thank you for stopping by. I

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<v Speaker 1>really appreciate it. We're looking forwards obviously you got six

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<v Speaker 1>weeks left, but then seeing you and AJ cover whatever

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<v Speaker 1>it is because we have no idea what the postseason

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<v Speaker 1>is going to look like. This is a very unpredictable year.

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<v Speaker 1>But great to see you. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is always fun. You guys do a great job.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks for having me.