WEBVTT - Listener Mail: Let the Lamp Affix its Beam 0:00:02.960 --> 0:00:05.280 Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of 0:00:05.360 --> 0:00:10.760 My Heart Radio. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. 0:00:10.840 --> 0:00:14.320 Listener mail. This is Robert Lam and this is Joe McCormick. 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:16.280 And it's Monday, so it's time for us to read 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:18.279 back a few with the messages that you have sent 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:21.040 in over the past week or so, rob do you 0:00:21.079 --> 0:00:23.319 mind if I jump right in with this message in 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:26.080 response to our episodes on the invention of the chainsaw? 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:35.199 Go for it all right? This comes from Chris. Chris says, Hi, 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:39.600 Joe and Robert. Longtime listener, first time emailer. I'm currently 0:00:39.640 --> 0:00:42.400 listening to your podcast on the chainsaw and just thought 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:45.520 i'd let you know a place where these appear unchained 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:50.279 or with the bar removed completely. In sporting culture, if 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:54.160 you watch pretty much any downhill mountain bike race, there 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:57.680 will be numerous crowd members wielding chainsaws as a way 0:00:57.720 --> 0:01:00.560 to cheer on the riders. I believe are a couple 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:03.640 of different reasons behind this. The first and most obvious 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:06.240 is that a lot of mountain biking facilities are built 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:10.640 in forest plantations that are periodically harvested, so it's quite 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:14.520 common to hear chainsaws in the background. To riding. The 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:17.920 second is perhaps a slight stretch. A traditional way to 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:20.920 cheer on a road cyclist is to ring a cow bell. 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:25.240 Similar reasoning, bicycle races take place on rural roads where 0:01:25.240 --> 0:01:28.560 the only unnatural sound maybe that of cattle as they 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:31.720 go about the business of being cattle. I believe the 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:35.840 chainsaw represents the newer, more extreme sport of downhill racing. 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:38.640 I thought this was an interesting little side note to 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:41.160 the use of chainsaws. Thanks for the quirky and interesting 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:45.440 topics that you cover. Regards Chris Well, then sounds completely 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:48.600 made up. I don't know I believe any of that that, 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:52.360 but it's so weird. I guess it has to be true. Yeah, 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:54.440 I wonder Well, now I'm wondering if I should have 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:57.120 checked this beforehand. You know what, Chris, if you were 0:01:57.200 --> 0:01:59.880 lying to us, and I determined afterwards, I'm gonna cut 0:01:59.880 --> 0:02:03.400 this whole message out of the episode. But I was 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:08.480 wondering if, okay, could chainsaws be so that the the 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:12.320 downhill mountain biking person can hear you through a through 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:14.320 a helmet they've got on that would like cover up 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:17.639 their ears and muffle normal applause and cheers. I guess 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:20.080 so I could see that being the case. You know, 0:02:20.120 --> 0:02:24.000 they're muffled, they're going fast. Uh, you can't just yell hey, 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:27.000 way to go race that downhill? You know, you need 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:30.520 to maybe something louder. And it's either this or air horns. 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:33.720 And I guess the air horn could be more startling, 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:36.320 whereas the chainsaw could be startling too. I guess if 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:37.959 you're just suddenly wrapping it up, but more of it, 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:40.880 I guess it is just constantly going. Then maybe it's 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:43.840 like a nice ambient roar when they rush by. Yeah, 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:48.799 I guess so, I mean something about it seems vaguely threatening. Yeah. Well, anyway, Chris, 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:56.200 thanks for getting in touch. All right, so that was 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:58.600 a bit of a Halloween listener mail, and it's okay 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:01.320 if those continue to roll, Lynn will continue to read him. 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:04.240 But we also begin to hear from folks in regard 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:08.600 to our Doune episodes. Uh so basically we put out, 0:03:08.600 --> 0:03:11.080 you know, two new Science of Dune episodes, and this 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:14.799 was this bit of listener mail comes to us from see, hey, guys, 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:18.639 not normally one to write into podcasts first time, actually, 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:20.919 but I just finished your new episode on the BENI 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:23.959 Jesra like yourselves. I'm a pretty big fan of Doone. 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:26.359 It is my default favorite book in any sort of 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:30.120 favorite book discussions, I give both Done and Done Messiah 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:33.440 a read through every couple of years. Anyway, to the point, 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:36.840 I was really thinking deeply about the box while watching 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:39.840 some late night peanut butter brownies finished baking in the oven, 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:43.200 and a curious thing struck me. I am one that 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:46.720 leans towards the box not being a secret technology but 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:49.720 some parlor trick of the Reverend Mother. As I was 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:52.840 listening to you guys discussed the box and Paul's later 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:55.640 anecdote about not falling for tricks again, it made me 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:58.560 wonder if he would have felt anything at all if 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:01.760 he hadn't asked what was in the box. After all, 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:04.400 the benegestor to have command of the voice, and so 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:06.880 I wonder if the Reverend Mother telling Paul what to 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:10.480 expect in the box, maybe that was enough. I think 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:13.480 maybe the Reverend Mother planted that in his mind, maybe 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:16.640 with the voice, and then Paul's mind created that very 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:20.359 pain that tortured him. So maybe the box is just 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:23.880 simply that a box. Anyway, Thank you guys for the 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:26.240 years of podcasting excellence. And I look forward to any 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:31.360 more cheers. See. Yeah, you know, I pretty much suspect 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:34.080 this is what Herbert had in mind, that actually the 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:37.719 box itself doesn't do anything, and it is the Reverend 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:40.920 mother who is the who is the active principle, who 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:45.599 is causing the the sensations of pain that Paul is feeling. Yeah, 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:48.640 I too think that's probably more in line with with 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:51.120 the way he seems to operate. And it's certainly the 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:53.520 way that the Reverend Mothers seemed to operate. It's a 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:55.880 it's kind of it's like a distraction to a certain extent, 0:04:55.960 --> 0:05:01.200 and it's a method of of of tweaking our perception 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:03.719 of things. Um, but I wonder what would happen if 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:05.760 she had said something other than pain, Like what if 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:08.480 she had said, it's filled with like what's in the paint? 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:12.600 What's in the box? And and she says, well, it's eyeballs, 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:16.080 it's a witch's hair from a witch who once lived 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:21.080 in this house. Now it's the intestines of a murderer. Yeah, 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:23.520 it would have that. It would have been interesting. Have 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:26.440 you ever done one of those Halloween parties the field, 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:29.599 the Field, the Ikey's I remember it is a child. 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:33.000 I remember going to some sort of uh, you know, 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:35.479 I don't know, it's like an Elks Club Halloween or something, 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:38.279 I don't know, and uh, and somebody had that set 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:41.440 up and I remember thinking it was pretty neat because 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:44.240 you had the other spaghetti for guts I think, and 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:49.760 then skinned grapes, particularly skinned grapes for for eyeballs. And yeah, 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:51.360 I can't remember what those are, the two big ones. 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:53.480 I was like, Yeah, these aggress I guess another way 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:55.600 of framing it is you could say that if if 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:59.400 the Reverend Mother is just doing something, you know, psychologically 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:02.240 manipulated of de Paul with her own voice and stuff, 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:05.320 that the box could be considered misdirection. You know, the 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:08.680 classic uh, one of the most common tricks used by 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:11.840 stage magicians is misdirection. And that like they will draw 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:15.480 your attention to an object or to what they're doing 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:17.640 with one of their hands or something. You know, the 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:19.640 whole point is to get you to look at this 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:22.760 thing while the real trick is happening somewhere else in 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:26.919 their other hand or something. Now, there's nothing really presented 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:30.880 as far as I know, to doubt the the the 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:33.640 idea that the needle that the gone jibar itself has 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:36.320 has poisoned at the tip of it. But I mean, 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:38.680 if if the box doesn't really have pain in it, 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:41.080 if the box is just a box, is it possible 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:43.440 if the gonjibar is just a needle and that if 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:45.160 she has to poke you with it, you're just gonna 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:47.120 get poked with the needle. You're not actually gonna die. 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:49.920 Or is it a similar situation where if you draw 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:52.560 your hand out, you're gonna believe you're gonna die when 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:55.760 you're when you're spiked with that gone jibar needle poison 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:58.520 or no poison, Like, you don't need the meticyanide. It's 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:03.520 like the matrix your mind makes it real. Yeah, whoa dude, Yeah, 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:05.919 that that's Dune. That's how the Dune works on you. 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:14.000 All right? What else we have? Joe? Alright? This next 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:17.120 message is also in response to the Dune episodes. This 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:20.600 comes from e k ek Ses, Robert, and Joe. I've 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:24.160 enjoyed your podcast for quite a while. As a psychiatrist, artist, 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:26.720 and D and D enthusiasts. There are a number of 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:29.320 topics you cover that cross over with my professional and 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:33.480 personal interests. Your latest episode and the discussion on pain 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:37.120 and the psychological inputs certainly touched on a topic that 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:41.480 I frequently discussed with my patients. You mentioned hypnosis briefly, 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:44.960 and although I do not practice it myself, during my training, 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:50.080 I've seen video documentation of patients undergoing surgery under hypnosis 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:55.040 instead of anesthetics, including a Sissyrian section. This is a 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:58.520 profound reduction in pain rather than a moderate effect size, 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:01.480 although of course hypnosis this is really only an option 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:04.600 for a select population. This is what we're talking about 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:07.280 in the episode that while it does seem like hypnosis 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:10.760 is pretty efficacious for people who are susceptible to it, 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:13.640 not everybody is susceptible to it. But e K goes 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:16.920 on that said, I think we all have experience of 0:08:16.960 --> 0:08:20.440 not noticing an injury and feeling pain only when we 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:23.560 notice the scrape or blister later. In my work with 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:26.800 individuals with anxiety and depression, I've found that people in 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:30.920 a negative state of mind often experience worse pain. In 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:34.160 the same way, the brain gives more value to negative 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:38.400 thoughts and words of discouragement when depressed, the brain also 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:42.520 pays more attention to negative physical inputs like pain. Thus, 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:46.160 I find that treating depression and anxiety often improves physical 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:48.800 pain as well, even if it does not take away 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:51.920 the physical ailment that causes it. I believe there was 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:55.160 also a World War two physician who found that service 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:59.199 members wounded in the battlefield often needed less morphine than 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:03.600 civilian who had similar gunshot wounds. The theory is that 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:07.240 the soldier's injury meant going home and returning as a hero, 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:10.400 and thus had a different meaning than, for example, a 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:13.440 shopkeeper who was wounded in a robbery and had only 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:16.800 lost as a result. In psychiatry, of course, we deal 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:20.000 with how the meaning of things affects perceptions and experiences, 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:22.840 and this is definitely true when it comes to pain. 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:27.000 Keep up the good work. Enjoy the podcast. E K Yeah, 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:30.319 I feel like we've discussed the the scenario with the 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:34.240 World War two physician. UM believe this is coming. I 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:37.160 think so, either in some of our past episodes on 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:41.960 perceptions of pain or perhaps placebo. Okay, I guess that 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:44.360 didn't stick in my brain for some reason. Maybe I'll 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:47.400 mean or it could be possible that I assembled it 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:50.480 wholesale in my own brain. I could be misremembering, but 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:55.760 it rings a bell or chainsaw well, e K. Thank 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:58.720 you very much for sharing your insight from clinical experience. 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:02.320 Always great to hear from from people working in a 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:13.840 professional capacity in the subjects we cover all right, Here 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:17.120 is one from zach Uh. This is in response to 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:20.120 our episode on the leshy Uh. This was put out 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:21.560 as a vault episode, but it was one of our 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:25.240 favorite Halloween episodes from the previous year. Zach rides high. 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:28.240 In the recent fault episode, Joe was listing the subtle 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:31.199 ways in which a lesh she might have a subtle 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:34.360 detail wrong with it, enabling the hero of the folk 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:38.160 tale to realize that they're encountering Aleshi. I think this 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:41.000 has come up before in your episodes about Incubi and succuby. 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:44.280 I think you guys mentioned how Christian authors interpreted this 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:47.600 feature of monsters as being imposed by God to provide 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:50.680 righteous Christians with the opportunity to realize they were being 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:53.600 tempted by an evil monster. This reminds me of how 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:57.280 scam emails or texts will always have crazy misspellings or 0:10:57.320 --> 0:11:01.360 bad grammar. If you're a scammer sending issuing emails to people, 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:04.720 it's as if no matter how well written the email is, 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:07.840 God will alter the text of the email in transit 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:11.800 to insertain misspellings and give the recipients an opportunity to 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:15.439 realize they are being scammed. Thank you God for protecting 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:20.880 me from modern day lescies, Zach. It's it's strange how often, 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:24.520 uh this is true. Yeah, yeah, So you know the 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:26.480 thing that we've discussed in that I think it's come 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:29.319 up a few times before, is yeah, this this medieval um, 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:31.640 I don't know, it's late medieval and kind of post 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:37.040 medieval concept as well, that these demons could take human 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:42.000 form um in order to deceive people and uh and 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:45.120 make them give into their sins. But God being just 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:49.200 would not allow the devil and his minions uh to 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:51.720 have a complete advantage over the righteous, and so there 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:55.120 would always be that telltale sign such as uh, duck 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:58.840 feet on an otherwise, you know, attractive female form, that 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:01.720 sort of thing. And so as long as you looked 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:04.520 for the duck feet, acknowledge the duck feet, and then 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:09.080 corrected your course, you know appropriately, you'd be all right. Uh. 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:12.160 So I do like this comparison. I mean, it's certainly 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:15.079 you can't rely on this absolutely, but it's one of 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:18.280 those things they frequently teach you. I know, we're always 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:20.440 getting warnings at work about how to look out for 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:22.600 phishing emails, and that's one of the things. They're like, 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:25.080 look for the airs, look for the duck feet. But 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:27.760 I do want to reemphasize what you said, Rob. You know, 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:30.640 it shouldn't be your only fail safe, because hey, some 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:33.240 scammers must have really good grammar. It's just the law 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:41.720 of large numbers. All right. Maybe we should finish up 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:45.440 with uh with the message or too About Weird how Cinema. 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:49.560 This one comes from Greg Gregg, says, Hi, gentlemen, you 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:52.080 mentioned during this week's Weird howse Cinema episode, which was 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:55.439 Highway to Hell, that you couldn't recall a sofa slash 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:59.520 easy chair horror film. I think the context was I 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:01.880 was saying, you know, there's like, there's a horror movie 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:05.400 for every type of media technology. Uh. There's like The 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:08.000 Ring where you watch a videotape and then it kills you. 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:10.480 There's h there's fear dot com where you go to 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:13.920 a website and it kills you. There is Uh. Those 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:15.920 came out I think right around the same time, and 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:18.400 we're extremely similar movies. By the way, there was another 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:20.959 one called nine seven six Evil we were talking about, 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:23.520 which I've never seen, but it allegedly is about a 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:25.520 phone number you call and it kills you. But I 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:27.760 was like, well, surely nobody ever made a movie where 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:29.960 there's a reclining chair and you sit in it and 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:33.439 it kills you. But apparently I was wrong. Greg says, 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:37.600 look no further than Killer Sofa nineteen from the Fine 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:41.920 Folks at High Octane Pictures. This New Zealand horror comedy 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:45.760 was most recently available on Amazon Prime, alongside sure to 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:49.640 be classics like Veloci Pastor, in which a priest transforms 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:53.560 into a velociraptor. At least, give the Killer Sofa trailer 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:56.560 a look. The image of a recliner evil e peering 0:13:56.559 --> 0:13:59.920 out of a second floor window says it all. Thanks Greg. 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:03.040 You know, Greg, I gotta be honest. I did not 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:05.360 have high hopes for this, and I went and looked 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:07.160 at because I mean, movies like this A lot of 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:11.240 times they when you're trying this hard to make a 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:14.640 silly or bad movie on purpose. You know this level 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:19.040 of irony from the conceptual origins. It just doesn't usually 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:21.680 work in its final form. I don't know why, but 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:23.720 most of the time, it's it's not as fun as 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:27.480 the concept would seem. But I gotta say, I watched 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:31.000 the trailer for this and it it looks dope. I'm sold. Uh. 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:35.760 It's got these great shots of like menacing springs poking 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:39.160 out into the into the frame, and there's something quite 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:42.600 infectious about the way the characters in the trailer just 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:46.000 keeps saying the word recliner over and over and not 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:51.480 switching out for synonyms like chair. Yeah, this is I 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:54.320 think in that episode, Um, I said that I thought 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:56.320 that I had seen some sort of a killer or 0:14:56.440 --> 0:15:00.400 couch or or whatever movie not seen. That's the poster 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:01.840 for it, and I believe this is the one. This 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:05.080 must have come up for me in Amazon or something. Um. 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:10.640 You have my sincere apology for for not heeding you. Um. Now, 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:13.200 as as far as I understand, this is not a 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:17.120 part of like the full Moon universe, so I don't 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:20.840 think we can currently have killer Sofa Battle um, like 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:24.400 Killer Ball or anything like that, which is which is 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:27.160 a shame. It seems like this creation would fit well 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:30.680 in that universe. Oh within band camp. Yeah, I'm not 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:36.240 seeing Killer Ball either, but that to me, Again, I 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:37.920 don't want to pre judge. I haven't seen it, but 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:40.120 that sounds like the kind of movie I was talking 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:48.560 about that usually doesn't doesn't really do it for me. Yeah, 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:50.800 all right, and here's one more. This one comes to 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:57.160 us from Mike. Mike says, Hey, Joe, he's got beef 0:15:57.240 --> 0:16:00.960 with me, apparently to start, I've been enjoying this podcast 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:03.120 for the last five years and playing older episodes in 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:06.480 between your new ones, catching up constantly. I'm a fan 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:09.720 of horror slasher films of the seventies and eighties. On 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:13.800 multiple occasions, I've heard you state that Jason Vorhees essentially 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:17.400 becomes a revenant after the seventh God Awful film. Here's 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:20.720 my gripe, though, isn't Jason a behemoth revenant from the 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:25.040 beginning first film? He drowned at Crystal Lake and died. 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:30.760 He is the uncaring, unfeeling, unstoppable, monolithic beast from the start. 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:35.360 Any thoughts, Mike, Well, Mike, I I appreciate all the aggression. 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:41.600 Uh uh No, I think you're wrong. Uh So. I 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:44.920 will admit that the early films are not quite consistent 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:48.160 on this point. Uh so. Yeah. In the first Friday 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:53.080 Thirteenth movie, the premise is that Jason died and uh, 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:56.040 and of course it is revealed that it's his mother 0:16:56.160 --> 0:16:58.200 who is doing the killings that are that are being 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:02.880 blamed on him. But uh my, my basic understanding was 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:05.240 that this is just sort of ignored in rhet cond 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:07.760 in the second film where Jason does show up. I 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:10.280 think just because the first one was successful, they wanted 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:12.200 to make another one. They thought it would make money. 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:15.040 They're like, okay, well, Mrs Voor, he's got her head 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:17.480 cut off at the end of the first film, so 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:19.199 we can't really use her again. Well what if we 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:22.840 just say that, like, Jason wasn't actually dead, he was alive. 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:26.280 Uh So that's what we got Jason, and it turns 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:30.160 out is alive. He is a psychotic killer adult man 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:33.320 in the second movie, and uh, then again in the 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:35.919 third movie, then again in the fourth movie. In the 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:38.240 fourth movie, Corey Feldman waxed him in the head with 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:40.880 the machette and he is no more. The fifth movie 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:43.640 features a copycat. And yes, it is the sixth film. 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:45.240 I think you got the order a little off because 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:47.800 you were saying the seventh it's the sixth film. Where 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:50.000 finally they're just like, ahh to hell with it. Okay, 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:54.119 he's he's undead. It's magic now, I you know what, 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:56.359 I think it's it was a smart move on their part, 0:17:56.800 --> 0:17:59.520 good choice. Yeah, like I said, there's a progression there. 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:03.919 I haven't. Like I said, for me, most of them 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:05.960 are kind of a blur, and they kind of blur 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:09.399 together because I was probably watching them on you know, 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:11.960 USA or TNT back in back in the day, and 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:14.120 I would catch like parts of one late at night, 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:16.640 and Uh, in isolation like that, they can seem much 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:21.040 the same. Um, So I trust your your judgment on this. 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:25.040 They are much the same. Uh. They have extremely similar 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:28.520 structures across most of them. Now here's the question. Has 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:31.359 he remained a revenant since then or have the newer 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:35.320 films kind of gone back and made him human again. Uh? 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:38.160 There was a remake film in about two thousand nine 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:41.000 or so, which I have not seen since I saw 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:43.800 it in the theater then. But my my memory is 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:46.399 that he is a regular human in that one. I 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:48.600 guess we could alway, if there's any there any films 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:51.679 that come out subsequently, uh that we're not fond of, 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:54.159 we can always say that they were just a holidack 0:18:54.520 --> 0:19:00.680 simulation aboard the Starship Grendel from Jason Jason X. Yes, 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:04.359 I gotta say that, actually, Jason X is. It has 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:07.480 one of the most inspired moments of the entire series, 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:10.760 which is which is when the characters distract Jason by 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:13.159 putting him in the hollow deck and supplying him with 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:17.840 fake holographic victims. It's kind of a perfect solution, right 0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:20.480 because then like he's not actually hurting anybody, and of 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:23.040 course you know you can't stop him because he's unkillable, 0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:25.879 but you just like let him busy himself playing video 0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:28.439 games for the rest of eternity. I should I need 0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:29.920 to go back and watch it at some point, because 0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:31.720 there's raises the question like how they get him? How 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:33.719 did he ever escape from the Holio deck. Couldn't they 0:19:33.720 --> 0:19:37.040 have just programmed in infinite victims and then he'd be 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:41.240 happy in this simulated world. I think the problem was 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:46.879 that the Holidack broke or ran out of power or something, okay, 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:49.439 because because otherwise it seems like it could be a 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:51.880 good fit. Though on the other hand, the other side 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:55.200 of looking at it is or don't ethical concerns arise 0:19:55.359 --> 0:19:58.359 if we are creating this endless simulation where their endless 0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:02.840 victims for Jason to dispatch. Um, I think we get 0:20:02.920 --> 0:20:06.760 into murky territory pretty quickly with that. What, like your word, 0:20:06.920 --> 0:20:10.160 is it not fair to do this to Jason? Well, 0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:12.880 I'm not not really concerned about Jason. I'm thinking about 0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:15.040 the simulation, like what are they? What are these simulars 0:20:15.119 --> 0:20:19.720 or these conscious holographic victims? Yeah, um, I'm gonna yeah, 0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:23.879 I'm not sure how I feel about that. Would he 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:26.240 eventually get it out of his system? Maybe he reached 0:20:26.240 --> 0:20:28.640 the point where he's like, killing brings me no jewel anymore. 0:20:29.000 --> 0:20:32.520 Now Jason becomes a creator, Yeah, he becomes yeah, okay, 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:35.960 now he's a peaceful artist because he saw the error 0:20:36.000 --> 0:20:39.040 of his ways. Oh man, that that would actually, I 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:40.679 think that would work as a sequel. Would be kind 0:20:40.680 --> 0:20:43.800 of like the Creature Walks among Us, where Jason has changed. 0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:46.520 He goes out into the world and he's this artist 0:20:46.640 --> 0:20:51.159 or something, but of course he makes pottery. But eventually 0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:54.040 he's going to backslide, and there's your movie. He backslides 0:20:54.119 --> 0:20:57.120 because of rude gawkers at the craft's fair who come 0:20:57.200 --> 0:21:01.680 by the tent but never buy anything. Well, you should 0:21:01.680 --> 0:21:04.280 have had some postcards everything most people will buy a postcard. 0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:07.680 All right, now that we have that settled, let's I 0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:09.560 guess we'll go ahead and close it out for today. 0:21:09.600 --> 0:21:12.360 But we appreciate everyone who wrote in UM. As we 0:21:12.359 --> 0:21:14.600 we often stressed we don't we don't have time to 0:21:14.680 --> 0:21:18.320 respond to everybody via email. 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