1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: My Heart Radio. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. 3 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: Listener mail. This is Robert Lam and this is Joe McCormick. 4 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 1: And it's Monday, so it's time for us to read 5 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 1: back a few with the messages that you have sent 6 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: in over the past week or so, rob do you 7 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:23,319 Speaker 1: mind if I jump right in with this message in 8 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 1: response to our episodes on the invention of the chainsaw? 9 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 1: Go for it all right? This comes from Chris. Chris says, Hi, 10 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: Joe and Robert. Longtime listener, first time emailer. I'm currently 11 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: listening to your podcast on the chainsaw and just thought 12 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 1: i'd let you know a place where these appear unchained 13 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:50,279 Speaker 1: or with the bar removed completely. In sporting culture, if 14 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: you watch pretty much any downhill mountain bike race, there 15 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: will be numerous crowd members wielding chainsaws as a way 16 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: to cheer on the riders. I believe are a couple 17 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: of different reasons behind this. The first and most obvious 18 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: is that a lot of mountain biking facilities are built 19 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: in forest plantations that are periodically harvested, so it's quite 20 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: common to hear chainsaws in the background. To riding. The 21 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: second is perhaps a slight stretch. A traditional way to 22 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: cheer on a road cyclist is to ring a cow bell. 23 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: Similar reasoning, bicycle races take place on rural roads where 24 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: the only unnatural sound maybe that of cattle as they 25 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: go about the business of being cattle. I believe the 26 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: chainsaw represents the newer, more extreme sport of downhill racing. 27 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: I thought this was an interesting little side note to 28 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: the use of chainsaws. Thanks for the quirky and interesting 29 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: topics that you cover. Regards Chris Well, then sounds completely 30 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: made up. I don't know I believe any of that that, 31 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: but it's so weird. I guess it has to be true. Yeah, 32 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: I wonder Well, now I'm wondering if I should have 33 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: checked this beforehand. You know what, Chris, if you were 34 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: lying to us, and I determined afterwards, I'm gonna cut 35 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: this whole message out of the episode. But I was 36 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: wondering if, okay, could chainsaws be so that the the 37 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: downhill mountain biking person can hear you through a through 38 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: a helmet they've got on that would like cover up 39 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 1: their ears and muffle normal applause and cheers. I guess 40 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: so I could see that being the case. You know, 41 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: they're muffled, they're going fast. Uh, you can't just yell hey, 42 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: way to go race that downhill? You know, you need 43 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: to maybe something louder. And it's either this or air horns. 44 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: And I guess the air horn could be more startling, 45 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: whereas the chainsaw could be startling too. I guess if 46 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:37,959 Speaker 1: you're just suddenly wrapping it up, but more of it, 47 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: I guess it is just constantly going. Then maybe it's 48 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: like a nice ambient roar when they rush by. Yeah, 49 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 1: I guess so, I mean something about it seems vaguely threatening. Yeah. Well, anyway, Chris, 50 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: thanks for getting in touch. All right, so that was 51 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: a bit of a Halloween listener mail, and it's okay 52 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: if those continue to roll, Lynn will continue to read him. 53 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: But we also begin to hear from folks in regard 54 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: to our Doune episodes. Uh so basically we put out, 55 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 1: you know, two new Science of Dune episodes, and this 56 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 1: was this bit of listener mail comes to us from see, hey, guys, 57 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 1: not normally one to write into podcasts first time, actually, 58 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 1: but I just finished your new episode on the BENI 59 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,959 Speaker 1: Jesra like yourselves. I'm a pretty big fan of Doone. 60 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 1: It is my default favorite book in any sort of 61 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: favorite book discussions, I give both Done and Done Messiah 62 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: a read through every couple of years. Anyway, to the point, 63 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: I was really thinking deeply about the box while watching 64 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: some late night peanut butter brownies finished baking in the oven, 65 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: and a curious thing struck me. I am one that 66 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: leans towards the box not being a secret technology but 67 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: some parlor trick of the Reverend Mother. As I was 68 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: listening to you guys discussed the box and Paul's later 69 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: anecdote about not falling for tricks again, it made me 70 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: wonder if he would have felt anything at all if 71 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: he hadn't asked what was in the box. After all, 72 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: the benegestor to have command of the voice, and so 73 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: I wonder if the Reverend Mother telling Paul what to 74 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: expect in the box, maybe that was enough. I think 75 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: maybe the Reverend Mother planted that in his mind, maybe 76 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: with the voice, and then Paul's mind created that very 77 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:20,359 Speaker 1: pain that tortured him. So maybe the box is just 78 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: simply that a box. Anyway, Thank you guys for the 79 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: years of podcasting excellence. And I look forward to any 80 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: more cheers. See. Yeah, you know, I pretty much suspect 81 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: this is what Herbert had in mind, that actually the 82 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 1: box itself doesn't do anything, and it is the Reverend 83 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 1: mother who is the who is the active principle, who 84 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 1: is causing the the sensations of pain that Paul is feeling. Yeah, 85 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: I too think that's probably more in line with with 86 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: the way he seems to operate. And it's certainly the 87 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: way that the Reverend Mothers seemed to operate. It's a 88 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: it's kind of it's like a distraction to a certain extent, 89 00:04:55,960 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: and it's a method of of of tweaking our perception 90 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 1: of things. Um, but I wonder what would happen if 91 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: she had said something other than pain, Like what if 92 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 1: she had said, it's filled with like what's in the paint? 93 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 1: What's in the box? And and she says, well, it's eyeballs, 94 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: it's a witch's hair from a witch who once lived 95 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: in this house. Now it's the intestines of a murderer. Yeah, 96 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: it would have that. It would have been interesting. Have 97 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: you ever done one of those Halloween parties the field, 98 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 1: the Field, the Ikey's I remember it is a child. 99 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: I remember going to some sort of uh, you know, 100 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's like an Elks Club Halloween or something, 101 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 1: I don't know, and uh, and somebody had that set 102 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: up and I remember thinking it was pretty neat because 103 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: you had the other spaghetti for guts I think, and 104 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: then skinned grapes, particularly skinned grapes for for eyeballs. And yeah, 105 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: I can't remember what those are, the two big ones. 106 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 1: I was like, Yeah, these aggress I guess another way 107 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 1: of framing it is you could say that if if 108 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: the Reverend Mother is just doing something, you know, psychologically 109 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: manipulated of de Paul with her own voice and stuff, 110 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: that the box could be considered misdirection. You know, the 111 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: classic uh, one of the most common tricks used by 112 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 1: stage magicians is misdirection. And that like they will draw 113 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: your attention to an object or to what they're doing 114 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: with one of their hands or something. You know, the 115 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: whole point is to get you to look at this 116 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: thing while the real trick is happening somewhere else in 117 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,919 Speaker 1: their other hand or something. Now, there's nothing really presented 118 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: as far as I know, to doubt the the the 119 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: idea that the needle that the gone jibar itself has 120 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: has poisoned at the tip of it. But I mean, 121 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: if if the box doesn't really have pain in it, 122 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: if the box is just a box, is it possible 123 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: if the gonjibar is just a needle and that if 124 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 1: she has to poke you with it, you're just gonna 125 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: get poked with the needle. You're not actually gonna die. 126 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 1: Or is it a similar situation where if you draw 127 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: your hand out, you're gonna believe you're gonna die when 128 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: you're when you're spiked with that gone jibar needle poison 129 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: or no poison, Like, you don't need the meticyanide. It's 130 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: like the matrix your mind makes it real. Yeah, whoa dude, Yeah, 131 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,919 Speaker 1: that that's Dune. That's how the Dune works on you. 132 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: All right? What else we have? Joe? Alright? This next 133 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: message is also in response to the Dune episodes. This 134 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: comes from e k ek Ses, Robert, and Joe. I've 135 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: enjoyed your podcast for quite a while. As a psychiatrist, artist, 136 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: and D and D enthusiasts. There are a number of 137 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: topics you cover that cross over with my professional and 138 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: personal interests. Your latest episode and the discussion on pain 139 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: and the psychological inputs certainly touched on a topic that 140 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: I frequently discussed with my patients. You mentioned hypnosis briefly, 141 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: and although I do not practice it myself, during my training, 142 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: I've seen video documentation of patients undergoing surgery under hypnosis 143 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: instead of anesthetics, including a Sissyrian section. This is a 144 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: profound reduction in pain rather than a moderate effect size, 145 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: although of course hypnosis this is really only an option 146 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: for a select population. This is what we're talking about 147 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: in the episode that while it does seem like hypnosis 148 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: is pretty efficacious for people who are susceptible to it, 149 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: not everybody is susceptible to it. But e K goes 150 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: on that said, I think we all have experience of 151 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: not noticing an injury and feeling pain only when we 152 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: notice the scrape or blister later. In my work with 153 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: individuals with anxiety and depression, I've found that people in 154 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: a negative state of mind often experience worse pain. In 155 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: the same way, the brain gives more value to negative 156 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: thoughts and words of discouragement when depressed, the brain also 157 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: pays more attention to negative physical inputs like pain. Thus, 158 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: I find that treating depression and anxiety often improves physical 159 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: pain as well, even if it does not take away 160 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: the physical ailment that causes it. I believe there was 161 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: also a World War two physician who found that service 162 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 1: members wounded in the battlefield often needed less morphine than 163 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: civilian who had similar gunshot wounds. The theory is that 164 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: the soldier's injury meant going home and returning as a hero, 165 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: and thus had a different meaning than, for example, a 166 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 1: shopkeeper who was wounded in a robbery and had only 167 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: lost as a result. In psychiatry, of course, we deal 168 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: with how the meaning of things affects perceptions and experiences, 169 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: and this is definitely true when it comes to pain. 170 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: Keep up the good work. Enjoy the podcast. E K Yeah, 171 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:30,319 Speaker 1: I feel like we've discussed the the scenario with the 172 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: World War two physician. UM believe this is coming. I 173 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: think so, either in some of our past episodes on 174 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: perceptions of pain or perhaps placebo. Okay, I guess that 175 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: didn't stick in my brain for some reason. Maybe I'll 176 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: mean or it could be possible that I assembled it 177 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: wholesale in my own brain. I could be misremembering, but 178 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: it rings a bell or chainsaw well, e K. Thank 179 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: you very much for sharing your insight from clinical experience. 180 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: Always great to hear from from people working in a 181 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: professional capacity in the subjects we cover all right, Here 182 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: is one from zach Uh. This is in response to 183 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: our episode on the leshy Uh. This was put out 184 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: as a vault episode, but it was one of our 185 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: favorite Halloween episodes from the previous year. Zach rides high. 186 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: In the recent fault episode, Joe was listing the subtle 187 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,199 Speaker 1: ways in which a lesh she might have a subtle 188 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: detail wrong with it, enabling the hero of the folk 189 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: tale to realize that they're encountering Aleshi. I think this 190 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: has come up before in your episodes about Incubi and succuby. 191 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: I think you guys mentioned how Christian authors interpreted this 192 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: feature of monsters as being imposed by God to provide 193 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 1: righteous Christians with the opportunity to realize they were being 194 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: tempted by an evil monster. This reminds me of how 195 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: scam emails or texts will always have crazy misspellings or 196 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: bad grammar. If you're a scammer sending issuing emails to people, 197 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: it's as if no matter how well written the email is, 198 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: God will alter the text of the email in transit 199 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: to insertain misspellings and give the recipients an opportunity to 200 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:15,439 Speaker 1: realize they are being scammed. Thank you God for protecting 201 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: me from modern day lescies, Zach. It's it's strange how often, 202 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: uh this is true. Yeah, yeah, So you know the 203 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: thing that we've discussed in that I think it's come 204 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,319 Speaker 1: up a few times before, is yeah, this this medieval um, 205 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's late medieval and kind of post 206 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: medieval concept as well, that these demons could take human 207 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: form um in order to deceive people and uh and 208 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: make them give into their sins. But God being just 209 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: would not allow the devil and his minions uh to 210 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: have a complete advantage over the righteous, and so there 211 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: would always be that telltale sign such as uh, duck 212 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: feet on an otherwise, you know, attractive female form, that 213 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: sort of thing. And so as long as you looked 214 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: for the duck feet, acknowledge the duck feet, and then 215 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: corrected your course, you know appropriately, you'd be all right. Uh. 216 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: So I do like this comparison. I mean, it's certainly 217 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,079 Speaker 1: you can't rely on this absolutely, but it's one of 218 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: those things they frequently teach you. I know, we're always 219 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 1: getting warnings at work about how to look out for 220 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: phishing emails, and that's one of the things. They're like, 221 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 1: look for the airs, look for the duck feet. But 222 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: I do want to reemphasize what you said, Rob. You know, 223 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: it shouldn't be your only fail safe, because hey, some 224 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: scammers must have really good grammar. It's just the law 225 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: of large numbers. All right. Maybe we should finish up 226 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: with uh with the message or too About Weird how Cinema. 227 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 1: This one comes from Greg Gregg, says, Hi, gentlemen, you 228 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: mentioned during this week's Weird howse Cinema episode, which was 229 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:55,439 Speaker 1: Highway to Hell, that you couldn't recall a sofa slash 230 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: easy chair horror film. I think the context was I 231 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: was saying, you know, there's like, there's a horror movie 232 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: for every type of media technology. Uh. There's like The 233 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: Ring where you watch a videotape and then it kills you. 234 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: There's h there's fear dot com where you go to 235 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: a website and it kills you. There is Uh. Those 236 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: came out I think right around the same time, and 237 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: we're extremely similar movies. By the way, there was another 238 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,959 Speaker 1: one called nine seven six Evil we were talking about, 239 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: which I've never seen, but it allegedly is about a 240 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: phone number you call and it kills you. But I 241 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: was like, well, surely nobody ever made a movie where 242 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: there's a reclining chair and you sit in it and 243 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,439 Speaker 1: it kills you. But apparently I was wrong. Greg says, 244 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: look no further than Killer Sofa nineteen from the Fine 245 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: Folks at High Octane Pictures. This New Zealand horror comedy 246 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: was most recently available on Amazon Prime, alongside sure to 247 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: be classics like Veloci Pastor, in which a priest transforms 248 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 1: into a velociraptor. At least, give the Killer Sofa trailer 249 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 1: a look. The image of a recliner evil e peering 250 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: out of a second floor window says it all. Thanks Greg. 251 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: You know, Greg, I gotta be honest. I did not 252 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: have high hopes for this, and I went and looked 253 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: at because I mean, movies like this A lot of 254 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: times they when you're trying this hard to make a 255 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: silly or bad movie on purpose. You know this level 256 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: of irony from the conceptual origins. It just doesn't usually 257 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: work in its final form. I don't know why, but 258 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: most of the time, it's it's not as fun as 259 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: the concept would seem. But I gotta say, I watched 260 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: the trailer for this and it it looks dope. I'm sold. Uh. 261 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: It's got these great shots of like menacing springs poking 262 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: out into the into the frame, and there's something quite 263 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: infectious about the way the characters in the trailer just 264 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: keeps saying the word recliner over and over and not 265 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: switching out for synonyms like chair. Yeah, this is I 266 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: think in that episode, Um, I said that I thought 267 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: that I had seen some sort of a killer or 268 00:14:56,440 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: couch or or whatever movie not seen. That's the poster 269 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: for it, and I believe this is the one. This 270 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: must have come up for me in Amazon or something. Um. 271 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: You have my sincere apology for for not heeding you. Um. Now, 272 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: as as far as I understand, this is not a 273 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: part of like the full Moon universe, so I don't 274 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: think we can currently have killer Sofa Battle um, like 275 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: Killer Ball or anything like that, which is which is 276 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: a shame. It seems like this creation would fit well 277 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: in that universe. Oh within band camp. Yeah, I'm not 278 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: seeing Killer Ball either, but that to me, Again, I 279 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: don't want to pre judge. I haven't seen it, but 280 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: that sounds like the kind of movie I was talking 281 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: about that usually doesn't doesn't really do it for me. Yeah, 282 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: all right, and here's one more. This one comes to 283 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: us from Mike. Mike says, Hey, Joe, he's got beef 284 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: with me, apparently to start, I've been enjoying this podcast 285 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: for the last five years and playing older episodes in 286 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: between your new ones, catching up constantly. I'm a fan 287 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: of horror slasher films of the seventies and eighties. On 288 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: multiple occasions, I've heard you state that Jason Vorhees essentially 289 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: becomes a revenant after the seventh God Awful film. Here's 290 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: my gripe, though, isn't Jason a behemoth revenant from the 291 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: beginning first film? He drowned at Crystal Lake and died. 292 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: He is the uncaring, unfeeling, unstoppable, monolithic beast from the start. 293 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: Any thoughts, Mike, Well, Mike, I I appreciate all the aggression. 294 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: Uh uh No, I think you're wrong. Uh So. I 295 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: will admit that the early films are not quite consistent 296 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: on this point. Uh so. Yeah. In the first Friday 297 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: Thirteenth movie, the premise is that Jason died and uh, 298 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: and of course it is revealed that it's his mother 299 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: who is doing the killings that are that are being 300 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: blamed on him. But uh my, my basic understanding was 301 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: that this is just sort of ignored in rhet cond 302 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: in the second film where Jason does show up. I 303 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: think just because the first one was successful, they wanted 304 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: to make another one. They thought it would make money. 305 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: They're like, okay, well, Mrs Voor, he's got her head 306 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: cut off at the end of the first film, so 307 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,199 Speaker 1: we can't really use her again. Well what if we 308 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: just say that, like, Jason wasn't actually dead, he was alive. 309 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: Uh So that's what we got Jason, and it turns 310 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 1: out is alive. He is a psychotic killer adult man 311 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: in the second movie, and uh, then again in the 312 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 1: third movie, then again in the fourth movie. In the 313 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: fourth movie, Corey Feldman waxed him in the head with 314 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,880 Speaker 1: the machette and he is no more. The fifth movie 315 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 1: features a copycat. And yes, it is the sixth film. 316 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: I think you got the order a little off because 317 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: you were saying the seventh it's the sixth film. Where 318 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: finally they're just like, ahh to hell with it. Okay, 319 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 1: he's he's undead. It's magic now, I you know what, 320 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 1: I think it's it was a smart move on their part, 321 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: good choice. Yeah, like I said, there's a progression there. 322 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 1: I haven't. Like I said, for me, most of them 323 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: are kind of a blur, and they kind of blur 324 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 1: together because I was probably watching them on you know, 325 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: USA or TNT back in back in the day, and 326 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 1: I would catch like parts of one late at night, 327 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,640 Speaker 1: and Uh, in isolation like that, they can seem much 328 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: the same. Um, So I trust your your judgment on this. 329 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: They are much the same. Uh. They have extremely similar 330 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: structures across most of them. Now here's the question. Has 331 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 1: he remained a revenant since then or have the newer 332 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: films kind of gone back and made him human again. Uh? 333 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 1: There was a remake film in about two thousand nine 334 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: or so, which I have not seen since I saw 335 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: it in the theater then. But my my memory is 336 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 1: that he is a regular human in that one. I 337 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: guess we could alway, if there's any there any films 338 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 1: that come out subsequently, uh that we're not fond of, 339 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 1: we can always say that they were just a holidack 340 00:18:54,520 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 1: simulation aboard the Starship Grendel from Jason Jason X. Yes, 341 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 1: I gotta say that, actually, Jason X is. It has 342 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: one of the most inspired moments of the entire series, 343 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: which is which is when the characters distract Jason by 344 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 1: putting him in the hollow deck and supplying him with 345 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: fake holographic victims. It's kind of a perfect solution, right 346 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: because then like he's not actually hurting anybody, and of 347 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: course you know you can't stop him because he's unkillable, 348 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 1: but you just like let him busy himself playing video 349 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 1: games for the rest of eternity. I should I need 350 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 1: to go back and watch it at some point, because 351 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: there's raises the question like how they get him? How 352 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:33,719 Speaker 1: did he ever escape from the Holio deck. Couldn't they 353 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: have just programmed in infinite victims and then he'd be 354 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: happy in this simulated world. I think the problem was 355 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: that the Holidack broke or ran out of power or something, okay, 356 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,439 Speaker 1: because because otherwise it seems like it could be a 357 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,880 Speaker 1: good fit. Though on the other hand, the other side 358 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 1: of looking at it is or don't ethical concerns arise 359 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 1: if we are creating this endless simulation where their endless 360 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: victims for Jason to dispatch. Um, I think we get 361 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: into murky territory pretty quickly with that. What, like your word, 362 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 1: is it not fair to do this to Jason? Well, 363 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:12,880 Speaker 1: I'm not not really concerned about Jason. I'm thinking about 364 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: the simulation, like what are they? What are these simulars 365 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: or these conscious holographic victims? Yeah, um, I'm gonna yeah, 366 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 1: I'm not sure how I feel about that. Would he 367 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: eventually get it out of his system? Maybe he reached 368 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 1: the point where he's like, killing brings me no jewel anymore. 369 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: Now Jason becomes a creator, Yeah, he becomes yeah, okay, 370 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 1: now he's a peaceful artist because he saw the error 371 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: of his ways. Oh man, that that would actually, I 372 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 1: think that would work as a sequel. Would be kind 373 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: of like the Creature Walks among Us, where Jason has changed. 374 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: He goes out into the world and he's this artist 375 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 1: or something, but of course he makes pottery. 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