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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Crime Roundup. I'm Cheryl McCollum and I

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Speaker 1: am joined as always with the Queen of the true

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Speaker 1: crime Rodeo, Nancy Grace. Nancy. We got one today. He

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Speaker 1: is hogtied meraporically, but we got a child predator arrested

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Speaker 1: and jailed after kidnapping a twelve year old girl and

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Speaker 1: holding her hostage for two months.

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Speaker 2: You know, I want to talk about this.

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Speaker 3: You're referring to Mariago as pat has this little girl

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Speaker 3: just twelve years old, just turned twelve years old. You know, Cheryl,

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Speaker 3: we don't get to report good news that often in

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Speaker 3: our line of business. We're not the avon lady. Okay,

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Speaker 3: we're not party plans, we're not artists or poets. We

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Speaker 3: deal in the true life suffering of those around us.

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Speaker 3: And Cheryl, when I have an outcome like this little girl,

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Speaker 3: this twelve year old girl, When a child is taken

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Speaker 3: by stranger on stranger abduction, I'm not talking about custodial

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Speaker 3: interference where the mom is like, screw you, you're a

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Speaker 3: bad dad. I'm taking her to Canada. I'm not talking

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Speaker 3: about that, talking about stranger on a stranger A grown

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Speaker 3: man thirty four years old. There was some speculation he

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Speaker 3: was thirty one. I believe, we've confirmed he's thirty four.

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Speaker 3: A Guatemalan national meets this little girl, if you can

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Speaker 3: call it that online, you know what, shame on me.

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Speaker 3: He didn't meet a little girl, that's like he was

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Speaker 3: outside of Kroger and her girl Scout cookies. No, he

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Speaker 3: was online searching for a child victim. Cheryl, have you

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Speaker 3: ever gone online in the children's chat rooms? Because I haven't, never,

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Speaker 3: I have not. No closed as I've come is standing

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Speaker 3: over John David' shoulder while he's playing Minecraft to make

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Speaker 3: sure he's playing.

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Speaker 2: With people he knows in real life.

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Speaker 3: Right, Okay, I've gotten off. Course, she's alive. Bottom line,

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Speaker 3: She's alive. That's the headline. And we never get to

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Speaker 3: do that. And a stranger on stranger abduction, it never

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Speaker 3: happens with a grown man and a little child.

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Speaker 2: But it happened.

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Speaker 3: Six hundred miles away. Think about it, Cheryl, he drove

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Speaker 3: six hundred miles. What do you think he was doing

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Speaker 3: in that car the whole way? Ten hours it took

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Speaker 3: to drive him to drive himself from Ohio all the

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Speaker 3: way to Georgia to get this little girl, fantasizing.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and Nancy, you nailed it. He's online hunting, he's

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Speaker 1: at And I say it all the time, and I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna say it again. There ain't no such thing as

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Speaker 1: a part time pedophile. This is what he does.

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Speaker 3: You got to explain that because a lot of people

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Speaker 3: that are lucky for them, they're not as well versed

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Speaker 3: in child predators saying that, oh, they're online paying their

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Speaker 3: bills and they a website pop saw up and they

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Speaker 3: go through it and there's a child there. That's not

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Speaker 3: how it works. When you say.

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Speaker 2: Full time, it is full time.

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Speaker 3: Hey, have you ever seen I have to prosecute these

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Speaker 3: When I was with the Federal as trac Ammission Commission,

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Speaker 3: their whole rooms full of callers doing cold calls to

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Speaker 3: sell things. It's like the warehouse with thirty forty eighty

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Speaker 3: one hundred people working to sell stuff. And they go

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Speaker 3: NonStop from the moment they start till they leave that night,

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Speaker 3: sitting at their desk and eating and they don't stop.

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Speaker 2: That's what a child press or does. You got to

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Speaker 2: explain it.

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Speaker 1: Giryl, Well, you know I tell people I will give

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Speaker 1: an example of Walt McCollum during football season, Nancy. He

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Speaker 1: knows the players, he knows their stats, he knows how

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Speaker 1: much they weigh, he knows their hometown, he knows their majors.

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Speaker 2: He knows the schedule.

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Speaker 1: He knows when Georgia plays in Athens and away and

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Speaker 1: where they're going, and then he knows their opposing team

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Speaker 1: and their stats. He knows Georgia football like he's an

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Speaker 1: assistant coach. He makes it his part time jaw. He

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Speaker 1: reads everything, he looks up everything. He won't miss a game.

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Speaker 1: He watches the pregame, then he watches the game, then

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Speaker 1: we got to watch the post game, then we got

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Speaker 1: to talk about all the above. That's how invested he

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Speaker 1: is in football. These child predators do the same thing.

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Speaker 1: They know apps. They know apps to tell the children

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Speaker 1: they're actually talking that look like the calculator icon and

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Speaker 1: so you don't even realize that's a separate app on

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Speaker 1: the child's punel where they can communicate. So you know,

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Speaker 1: there's this chat room you're talking about. There are other

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Speaker 1: ways that they get to these children. There's ways that

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Speaker 1: they know to talk to the children to get them

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Speaker 1: to open up. This little girl talked about being unhappy,

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Speaker 1: she was lonely, she spent a lot of time alone.

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Speaker 2: So that's right there.

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Speaker 3: You know what's really making me angry, as angry as

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Speaker 3: I can be this early in the morning, which is

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Speaker 2: Actually.

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Speaker 3: You know what, when I would walk into an arrayment

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Speaker 3: be mad as hub l I mean, and it would

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Speaker 3: be seven point thirty in the morning. Number one, believe

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Speaker 3: it or not, I cannot afford any coffee. I never

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Speaker 3: had any money. I wor at two night jobs teaching school. Yes,

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Speaker 3: I had no money. So I'd go in without any coffee.

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Speaker 3: Then I would have to go bum coffee if I

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Speaker 3: got any at all from the secretary in the judge's chambers.

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Speaker 3: And believe you me, you would give me the side eye,

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Speaker 3: and coffees. You go like, yes, okay, so of course

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Speaker 3: I was mad. I go in there and look at

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Speaker 3: all of them and all the charges. Yes, I was mad,

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Speaker 3: you know, and much less a trial calendar. But yes,

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Speaker 3: this will get me going first thing in the morning.

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Speaker 3: When you're talking about her writing that she was lonely

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Speaker 3: and miserable. What twelve year old girl doesn't claim they're

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Speaker 3: lonely and miserable. They're all lonely and miserable. You can

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Speaker 3: take them, which I hate shopping with all of my heart,

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Speaker 3: hence the same tennis shoes and clothes constantly. I'll take

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Speaker 3: her shopping. I'll take her to get her nails done.

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Speaker 3: Also hate that. I'll take her to a movie. I'll

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Speaker 3: take her to meet her friends.

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Speaker 2: They're still lonely and miserable.

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Speaker 3: But cheryld people are acting like, oh this little twelve

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Speaker 3: year old girl reached out to him negative, Illy, you

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Speaker 3: gotta hand me that hot tea over there, and I

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Speaker 3: don't mind to pull something in it. Of course I'm

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Speaker 3: not drinking, but I'm thinking I'm drinking. I'm thinking I'm drinking.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me get you even hotter, and matter?

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Speaker 2: Do I need that?

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Speaker 3: Because I'm already seeing my heart beat in my eyeballs.

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Speaker 2: Do we really need?

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Speaker 3: Go ahead?

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Speaker 1: We're gonna go all in. Have you seen him smiling

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Speaker 1: in his muggs?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 3: I threw a fit on crime yesterday about that, and ohhi,

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Speaker 3: I would love to pace like a tiger, back and

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Speaker 3: forth and back and forth, in front of the jury,

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Speaker 3: just staring at the person outside, giving them little chunks

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Speaker 3: of meat with that mugshot in my hand, because yes

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Speaker 3: he is smiling. Also, Cheryl change development. His charges have

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Speaker 3: been upgraded. He is now charged with sex assault on

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Speaker 3: the twelve year old little girl. Think about it, Cheryl.

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Speaker 3: When I was twelve years old growing up on a

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Speaker 3: you could call it that, because everybody was so far

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Speaker 3: away from each other. Joy told me what a period was.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, no, it's not that's not true. That's crazy talk.

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Speaker 2: Go away. That will never happen to me.

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Speaker 3: I knew nothing right, nothing at all. And here's this

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Speaker 3: and people are actually stating she reached out to him

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Speaker 3: because he's a predator online and he catches a twelve

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Speaker 1: Her repeatedly and nas you know, she saved herself. She

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Speaker 1: was able to make another Facebook page and reach out

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Speaker 1: that twist in this thing where you think here's this

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Speaker 3: I don't know that she thought it through that way.

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Speaker 3: I don't think. I do not believe that was her

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Speaker 3: mind process, her thought process, that I'm going to create

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Speaker 3: a secret Facebook page and I'm going to write my

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Speaker 3: dad and then he's going to track me down. I

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Speaker 3: think she just wrote her dad. But that said, it

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Speaker 3: doesn't matter. Why doesn't it matter? Because there is no

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Speaker 3: consent in our jurisprudence for a child that age. That, Cheryl,

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Speaker 3: is why a child cannot go buy a car, or

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Speaker 3: middle wherewithal to make those kind of decisions. Like this morning,

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Speaker 3: it was the twins' first day. Just the words of

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Speaker 3: choking in my throat. If they taste like a dirt sandwich,

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Speaker 3: How in the hay did that happen. I've only got

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Speaker 3: two good years left, Cheryl, Let's make the most of them.

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Speaker 3: But this morning she could not find her other shoe,

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Speaker 3: find her tennis shoe.

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Speaker 2: That she has to wear. Where was it?

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Speaker 3: It was about eight inches away from the other shoe,

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Speaker 3: or my son cannot go out. I heard him laugh

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Speaker 2: Said their prayers.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if they lie or not, and then

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Speaker 3: I go. So what I'm saying is this child cannot

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Speaker 3: So everybody's saying, well, she went along with it. She

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Speaker 1: Nancy, can you imagine at twelve, if you could have

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Speaker 1: gotten a tattoo, I would.

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Speaker 2: Have been covered. He signs in unicorns. That wouldn't help

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Speaker 2: in front of a jury.

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Speaker 1: That would not help in front of a jury. And

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Speaker 1: I know, you know, hug he used to talk about

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Speaker 1: getting a tattoo when he was you know, fourteen fifteen. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm getting this, I'm getting that. And we laugh today

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Speaker 1: because of what he would have selected then, and that

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Speaker 1: would be permanent, that'd be forever.

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Speaker 3: What would he have picked?

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Speaker 1: Well, when he was little, he wanted the island of

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Speaker 1: Sodor from Thomas. The train. He wanted like the whole mound.

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. So okay, wait, we had the whole

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Speaker 3: train set. And that was our coffee table in New

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Speaker 3: York and Atlanta's same exact coffee table with all the

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Speaker 3: hate anybody to come to the house because I'm a.

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Speaker 2: You know, weirdo.

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Speaker 3: So they would look at the coffee table covered in trains,

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Speaker 3: and of course the children would put plastic animals on

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Speaker 2: Kind of craziness.

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Speaker 3: This child is twelve and I believe just turned twelve.

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Speaker 1: That's their prey. She was a straight up target.

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Speaker 3: So I'm just trying to think through what's going to

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Speaker 1: I think you're absolutely right, and I think furthermore that

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Speaker 3: You know, some people actually say idiotic things like well,

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Speaker 1: And you know, Nancy, you and I had a buddy

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Speaker 3: Speaking of their vernacular, all right there, that gave me away.

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Speaker 3: I could never fit in their vernacular. They're slang, Sheryl.

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Speaker 3: and they said, please, don't ever say that again. Ever,

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Speaker 1: Number one. That just goes how old we are. Like,

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Speaker 1: And again, when you start trying to is slang, it

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Speaker 3: And I'm just thinking about the chat rooms and how

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Speaker 3: And this is happening, Cheryl, You and I have covered it,

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Speaker 2: And once the child is gone, it's over.

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Speaker 3: They will be molested, it will happen, and then, Cheryl,

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Speaker 3: they're never the same. Yes, they'll go through life, they'll

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Speaker 3: it's never the same. Just like every other crime victim,

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Speaker 1: Their whole life is affected, every part of it.

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Speaker 3: Have you ever well, of course, you had dealt with

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Speaker 3: happen over and over and over. How many times you

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Speaker 3: think this guy raped this twelve year old little girl?

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Speaker 1: He raped her before they got back to Ohio.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, no question.

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Speaker 1: And over a two month period of time, you're talking

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Speaker 2: Here's the kicker.

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Speaker 3: Even if he gets twenty to life, they'll get out.

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Speaker 3: I guarantee you they'll get out in uh max seven years.

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Speaker 3: I want him behind bars for life because they that

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Speaker 2: Do you remember.

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Speaker 3: Walter Gates, For Pete's sake, By the time I got

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Speaker 2: He was a young man.

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Speaker 3: I alone came up with eight or nine similar transactions

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Speaker 1: That's right. Nobody rapes one time, no one.

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Speaker 3: So bottom line, what can we do to help? All

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Speaker 1: Here's the deal for parents to know when your child

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Speaker 3: You know, when you said child molesters or predators, can

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Speaker 3: I just go ahead and throw in teachers, Sunday school teachers,

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Speaker 3: I couldn't stand it when it got time for Scout camp.

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Speaker 2: In my mind, what does that mean? Murdering? Molestation?

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Speaker 3: So I made David and you can't imagine how much

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Speaker 2: Guess what they weren't.

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Speaker 3: So there I was in the middle of the night,

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Speaker 3: Why because John David was actually got his sharpshooter badge,

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Speaker 3: Yet on the other side of this massive Scout property

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine I could.

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Speaker 3: Hardly walk by the end of the day. I gone

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Speaker 2: Next year, screw it, they went on their own.

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Speaker 3: And guess what, they came home safe and sound.

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Speaker 1: Amen, And every step was worth it.

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Speaker 3: Hey, can we just talk one more minute out about Melissa.

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Speaker 3: I'm just I can't believe there was really finally an arrest.

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Speaker 3: After all these years, all.

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Speaker 2: The times we talked about it, all the times we.

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Speaker 3: Thought about it, it really happened. It's not that I

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Speaker 3: But finally, when I talked to her mother and sister

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Speaker 1: Arrest, finally, and you know, I was out of town.

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Speaker 1: So again, people don't understand that you are not just

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Speaker 1: But this should show them that you are still active.

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Speaker 1: You are still boots on the ground, honey, and when

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Speaker 3: It's amazing. It's amazing, and what law enforcement did to

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Speaker 3: that feels like. You work and you work and you

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Speaker 3: like that's been your mission, very kind of like an

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Speaker 2: You have to kind of start all over again. And

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Speaker 2: I will be at your fancy dinner.

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Speaker 3: I'll probably be dragging shut up David and the twins

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Speaker 1: So I'll put you down for four.

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Speaker 3: And you better put me down for five because John

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Speaker 2: I mean a lot. Oh man. I have to cook

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Speaker 1: I hear you one hundred percent and listen, is that

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Speaker 1: not extraordinary? And you know, people say, how do you

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Speaker 2: Just working?

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Speaker 1: You know, sad and horrible cases all the time, And

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Speaker 1: I tell them, with the people that I get to

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Speaker 1: work with every day, they are literally heroes. They are

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Speaker 1: the best people in the world. How in the world

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Speaker 1: can I burn out?

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Speaker 3: Okay, I haven't you continue the back padding on yourself

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Speaker 3: and I'll go work on some cases.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you, honey.

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Speaker 2: Bye.

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Speaker 1: I'm Cheryl McCollum and this is the Crime Roundup with

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Speaker 1: Zones Haaven