Speaker 1: What's up, everybody.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Draymond Green Show with Baron Davis.
Speaker 2: B D is not here today, but we have a
Speaker 2: guest today, NBA Champion.
Speaker 1: And so every year I do this.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't necessary to say I do this, but we
Speaker 2: put it together at Michigan State where we do grind
Speaker 2: Week and all the pros come back. We hoop, we
Speaker 2: work out with the guys, we kick it like the
Speaker 2: next generation of guys, the guys that's on the team.
Speaker 1: Now we do this whole thing.
Speaker 2: And I actually got that whole idea, the whole premise,
Speaker 2: forget the idea, the exact thing of what it is.
Speaker 2: I got it from our next guest. When I was
Speaker 2: first second year in the league. Brought me down to Dallas.
Speaker 2: He didn't play in Dallas at the time, but brought
Speaker 2: me lived in Dallas, brought me down to Dallas, literally,
Speaker 2: pay for flights, pay for hotels, showed us a great time.
Speaker 2: She's kind of took me under his wing, and I've
Speaker 2: been forever grateful ever since.
Speaker 1: This next guest.
Speaker 2: Now, I will go on to say, unfortunately this man
Speaker 2: beat me in the twenty sixteen finals, but if we
Speaker 2: were gonna lose somebody in the twenty sixteen finals. It's
Speaker 2: my guy and an og in this been doing it
Speaker 2: for a long time, one of the grace to do it,
Speaker 2: none other. I'm happy to have this guest. Uh, none
Speaker 2: other more Gotti, Mo Williams, what's happening to my brother?
Speaker 3: What's happening? Man? I appreciate them kind words. Man, it's
Speaker 3: I'm forever grace for your friendship, always have, always will
Speaker 3: be proud of you, ma'am proud of you. I feel
Speaker 3: like an og because you're an og og. Now you
Speaker 3: came in and you know it's all It's all.
Speaker 1: Love, absolutely, bro.
Speaker 2: I still like, like I just said, I go down
Speaker 2: to Michigan State. Uh, and you know Travis used to
Speaker 2: come down with me, and like we created Grime Week
Speaker 2: at Michigan State, like people don't know like grind We
Speaker 2: that like that been long to my waves.
Speaker 4: Like yeah, taught me that and like bringing.
Speaker 2: Down there to work out to who love over to
Speaker 2: your crib barbecue. I had never seen a crib like that,
Speaker 2: Like outside of Joe Dumar's crib, I had never seen
Speaker 2: a crib like that.
Speaker 1: And so I just know, man, forever grateful.
Speaker 2: I hope I hope you can appreciate that I took
Speaker 2: your idea and continue to moving forward.
Speaker 3: Because, no doubt about it, man, that was huge for
Speaker 3: me in my career, no doubt about it. Man. I
Speaker 3: appreciate it. Man. It was some good time. We had
Speaker 3: some good we had some good work. And that's the
Speaker 3: thing about it, man. People don't know. It wasn't we
Speaker 3: were just hanging out, man. We were working, were getting
Speaker 3: we were working. We were grinding. Man, we was getting better.
Speaker 3: You know, we was getting back in shape.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: It was one and the more. That's what grind was about.
Speaker 4: It was about that moment where we needed to get
Speaker 4: back to work.
Speaker 3: So we came in, pushed each other, working out all day,
Speaker 3: and then we hung out at night, you know, with fellowship. Man.
Speaker 3: It was all love.
Speaker 1: It was perfect, bro. I appreciate it. Uh. I can't
Speaker 1: thank you enough.
Speaker 2: But obviously, as we know, game four of the finals
Speaker 2: just and there. Yeah, he tied it up to too.
Speaker 3: I got okay. See, you can ask everybody rhyme and
Speaker 3: trait I had, okay, see from day one, from day one,
Speaker 3: I had them. I had I said, listen, man, a
Speaker 3: ball tough. I figured I figured, uh before this series started,
Speaker 3: uh that it wouldn't go more than five, but Indiana
Speaker 3: snuck that snuck Game one.
Speaker 4: They didn't supposed to win Game one.
Speaker 3: No chance, they didn't supposed to win, and they lost
Speaker 3: it exactly, you know. And then they they came and
Speaker 3: you know, took care of business game to it. Then
Speaker 3: game three, Indiana came and took there. They gave him confidence,
Speaker 3: gave confidence.
Speaker 1: But this game right.
Speaker 3: Right this this this was this was the game. And
Speaker 3: Indiana trick this one all the way off they did
Speaker 3: they did.
Speaker 1: You know, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: I saw I put on I put on my threads
Speaker 2: account at one point during the game, like this was
Speaker 2: during the third quarter. Actually, okay, c doesn't look like
Speaker 2: a team that believed like like like.
Speaker 1: They they they did not believe they can win.
Speaker 2: When I was watching, what it looked like to me,
Speaker 2: was you watching the boxing match?
Speaker 1: Were watching.
Speaker 2: Whoever you you call it, Bud Crawford versus.
Speaker 1: Why am I trying to blink right now? H versus
Speaker 1: Earl Spence.
Speaker 2: When I went to that fight, and I was there
Speaker 2: live in person, when they went into that fight, in
Speaker 2: the first couple of rounds or the first round, it
Speaker 2: looked like bug trying to.
Speaker 1: Figure it out, didn't really know what they expect.
Speaker 2: And obviously we know Earle got crazy power, like Earle
Speaker 2: has lived on like his power.
Speaker 1: Is crazy, and you could see that in the fight.
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, Earle caught Bud with
Speaker 2: his best shot and Bud was like this, And from
Speaker 2: that point on, Bud pressed forward because he knew you
Speaker 2: already caught me with the best shot you can catch
Speaker 2: me with and it didn't even daze me.
Speaker 1: It didn't stunt like, it didn't stun me.
Speaker 2: So for the rest of the fight, I can just
Speaker 2: press forward because even if you catch me with your
Speaker 2: best shot again, I can.
Speaker 4: Just walk through it and ain't gonna fall back.
Speaker 1: Fact and for the first three quarters of that matchup.
Speaker 2: OKC looked like that, where Indiana's just kind of doing
Speaker 2: whatever they wanted to do when they want.
Speaker 4: It's a page.
Speaker 3: It's the pace. I'm telling you, Indiana have an unbelievable case. Okay,
Speaker 3: see was trying to play at that same pace. They
Speaker 3: can't play that like that because it doesn't benefit Shale.
Speaker 3: He needs to play at his pace. It ain't slow,
Speaker 3: it ain't fat, it's his pace. He needs to have
Speaker 3: a flow more than a pace. It just needs to
Speaker 3: have a flow so he can get it, get in
Speaker 3: his spots, slow it down and get to his elbows.
Speaker 3: But Indiana get that bitch out so quick and he
Speaker 3: they're gone.
Speaker 4: Getting it up up the court.
Speaker 3: Now the other thing, Okay, see they in a lot
Speaker 3: of iol situation now Indiana. You watching Indiana. They got
Speaker 3: a lot of action. It's a lot of movement. They
Speaker 3: creating a lot of movement. Okay, See defense is really good.
Speaker 3: When Indiana gets staggnant and they able to load up,
Speaker 3: they able to get them gaps.
Speaker 4: They ain't able to get them gaps when they got all.
Speaker 3: That movement and getting the ball of fat. But what
Speaker 3: happened was late in the fourth quarter, when every basketball
Speaker 3: game in America slow down, it benefits shape. Now it
Speaker 3: goes into the guy they got and that's when that
Speaker 3: guy came to work. So long as the Indiana can
Speaker 3: keep that pace up, they had advantage. But when the
Speaker 3: game slow down, they in trouble.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: By the way, I'm in Cobo, So for y'all, that's like, Yo,
Speaker 2: he's sweating or he looked crazy. The sun is crazy
Speaker 2: and I sweated. I've been watching outside having me a
Speaker 2: cup of drinks.
Speaker 3: You talk about it, you hot, and outside you be
Speaker 3: inside in the air condition. Man.
Speaker 2: No, no, I watched the game outside, man, at the bar.
Speaker 2: You gotta wash the game over here at.
Speaker 1: The bar more. You gotta count check it out, man,
Speaker 1: you go down.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna come out there.
Speaker 3: Man, I'm gonna come out there, get some dates and
Speaker 3: see what's going on.
Speaker 1: Just telling you, come on down here, check it out.
Speaker 3: His hot.
Speaker 1: It's a good time. Man. So I watched it at
Speaker 1: the bar, you know.
Speaker 2: So when I come in here sweating, I heard some
Speaker 2: of y'all saying crazy things last episode, like, Yo, why
Speaker 2: is he sweating?
Speaker 1: I'm telling y'all while I'm sweating. But I actually watched the.
Speaker 2: Game with PG, me and me, and PG was down
Speaker 2: there washing the game and when it was eighty seven
Speaker 2: to eighty or eighty nine to eighty, one of those screens,
Speaker 2: and I said, either take the lead to fifteen or.
Speaker 1: It's going to zero.
Speaker 3: Really, what you saw? What you saw that made you
Speaker 3: feel like that.
Speaker 1: Both teams was just hanging around.
Speaker 4: Like I had it was a pass.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were exactly and what so what I saw
Speaker 2: was Indiana really dominating them. They got them mentally, they
Speaker 2: got them physically dominating them. But you look up. You
Speaker 2: up seven at the end of the third. Now you
Speaker 2: should be up thirteen at the end of the third.
Speaker 2: But a lot a couple of players here and there
Speaker 2: get away. You let the j Dove get to join
Speaker 2: at the end of the quarter, right Like, those things
Speaker 2: change a game at this level. Regular season, even first
Speaker 2: round of the playoffs, you can get away with those things.
Speaker 1: But this is the NBA Finals and those types of
Speaker 1: things change this.
Speaker 3: So right now, y'all.
Speaker 2: Are really dominating this game, but you only up seven points,
Speaker 2: and I think at that time Shay got like twenty points,
Speaker 2: twenty points or something like that. You have to push
Speaker 2: that lead at that time. Obi Toppins the one hitting
Speaker 2: the threes, right, like Obi Toppins hitting the shots. It
Speaker 2: ain't even Pascal or Tyree's hitting the shot. So you
Speaker 2: got your other guys hitting the shots at that time.
Speaker 2: You got to extend the lead at that time and
Speaker 2: they need it. And so for me, when you if
Speaker 2: you leave the game, and while I'm watching that, and
Speaker 2: while I said that, if you lead a game within
Speaker 2: striking distance like that, then what's gonna come down to
Speaker 2: at the.
Speaker 3: End is who got the game?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, who got the best score?
Speaker 2: And we obviously all know who got the best scorer
Speaker 2: in this series. And they allow them to let it
Speaker 2: become their game. If you push it to thirteen, push
Speaker 2: it to fifteen, they can't.
Speaker 1: Slow the game down.
Speaker 3: Exactly.
Speaker 1: Got to go, go go, And that's.
Speaker 2: What it will tell you. I need to go because
Speaker 2: we ain't got that much time. We down thirteen, were
Speaker 2: down fifteen. It's the fourth quarter. I gotta go. We
Speaker 2: can't slow absolutely right, if we down seven with nine
Speaker 2: minutes to go, you like, there's plenty time left.
Speaker 1: One possession of a time, sir.
Speaker 3: Let me get this thing at the elbow, top of
Speaker 3: the keyspace it out. Let me get to the line,
Speaker 3: get to this free throw line, jumper off of the
Speaker 3: cash is all day long. And the game slowed man
Speaker 3: the last four to five minutes and it just slowed down.
Speaker 3: They just running action, gett him into his ice, so
Speaker 3: getting him into his face. They stay home. He went
Speaker 3: to work. That was the difference to down the stretch.
Speaker 3: But Indiana, and you're thinking about the little stuff that
Speaker 3: they messed up on the free throws. Obviously, them two
Speaker 3: bone headed ass files. Yeah, and the only thing then
Speaker 3: in the finals, you understand every.
Speaker 4: Single possession matters.
Speaker 3: And I ain't just saying every single possession matters like
Speaker 3: some of them you ain't got to worry about. I'm
Speaker 3: talking about every single possession, every single substitution, every single
Speaker 3: mistake that you make, how you make it, it means.
Speaker 4: Something to the bottom line.
Speaker 3: And down the stretch, they made every mistake possible to
Speaker 3: get that game away.
Speaker 2: One thousand percent. I agree with that whole heartedly. You
Speaker 2: look at there's so I thought for majority of the
Speaker 2: game and the majority of the serious To be honest,
Speaker 2: Rick Carlisle has our coach.
Speaker 1: Mark Diagno, I think, but doubt out coach him.
Speaker 2: No questions asked, Like when you look at there were
Speaker 2: certain points in that game where.
Speaker 1: J. Dubb come down.
Speaker 2: I think it was like seven and a half it's
Speaker 2: left and chet leader game limping.
Speaker 1: Jay Dumb come down.
Speaker 2: And this actually started with JDub in the third quarter,
Speaker 2: three minutes to go in the third quarter, three and
Speaker 2: a half minutes to go in the third quarter, A
Speaker 2: cuff shots.
Speaker 1: Right, like yeah, to the free throw line, getting.
Speaker 2: Behind the back that one b But but at that point,
Speaker 2: they were it was like a ten point game and they.
Speaker 1: Couldn't get good shots at that point.
Speaker 2: And that was a time where you saw Mark Dagno
Speaker 2: needed to take a like, not take a time out
Speaker 2: because it is what it is. But you need to
Speaker 2: call something, you know what I'm saying. You don't have
Speaker 2: your best player on the floor, you need to call something.
Speaker 2: And they had like three four possessions in a row
Speaker 2: and Nash where Indiana needed to put the game away.
Speaker 3: And they didn't capitalize.
Speaker 1: They did not put the game away.
Speaker 2: So in turn that it ended up like being bad
Speaker 2: shot for bad shot, bash for a bad shot, and
Speaker 2: the league just kind.
Speaker 4: Of stayed we missed a big shot too, Yes he did. Yes,
Speaker 4: that was a huge shot making a huge shot. Yep,
Speaker 4: he did.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: So I'm watching this and it's inevitable what's about to happen,
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna tell you something that I thought down
Speaker 2: the stretch that I noticed and if i'm if I'm
Speaker 2: the patients, I'm going to watch the spiel and this
Speaker 2: is what I noticed. Hey, they took Shaye off the ball.
Speaker 2: We all know that that's clear that they took Shae
Speaker 2: off the ball. They got j Dove handling the ball more.
Speaker 2: But down the stretch, where did they go to They
Speaker 2: went to a Shae Jake.
Speaker 3: Pick and roll switch.
Speaker 2: Now you got nie Smith on Shae as opposed to
Speaker 2: Nimhr on Shae. And they kept switching it and he
Speaker 2: just threw it to Shae. And now Shae got Knee
Speaker 2: Smith on him. And if you watch the beginning of
Speaker 2: for anyone who watched the beginning of this series, Shae
Speaker 2: got what he wanted on the Smith. I think it's
Speaker 2: a very good defender. For instance, he guarded Jalen Brunson
Speaker 2: better than anybody. But it's matchup to match up when
Speaker 2: it comes to this this point in the playoffs, the
Speaker 2: guy who guards one guy the best may not be
Speaker 2: the same guy to guard that guy the best in
Speaker 2: the next series. And so what we've seen is nim
Speaker 2: Hard is the guy to guard Shay in this series.
Speaker 2: Every possession down the stretch, they went to the one
Speaker 2: two pick and roll, get the switch, shake, got nimr shake,
Speaker 2: got Niee Smith on him now and Shae goes to
Speaker 2: work and gets to all the buckets that he was
Speaker 2: getting to. And so as a as a guard defender
Speaker 2: as as just as a guard, as a coach, someone
Speaker 2: with pride, a champion. At what point does the player
Speaker 2: nim hard just say, oh, I see they trying.
Speaker 4: To get that switch.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make him. If Jay dubb on to shoot
Speaker 1: a pick and pop.
Speaker 2: Three different three than the catch and shoot three.
Speaker 1: You ain't used to shooting picking pop three. I got.
Speaker 2: What point do we expect the player to be like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm not switching, I'm getting through this.
Speaker 1: It is what it is. Because I think down the stretch,
Speaker 1: that's what cost them the game.
Speaker 3: And you know what's crazy, and we go back to
Speaker 3: little stuff. Everything loses little all the little shit loses games.
Speaker 3: Looking back Game three, go look at their defensive possession.
Speaker 3: They won switching nothing. They won switching nothing. Game three.
Speaker 3: They didn't switch nothing. They got through everything and they
Speaker 3: got beat at times. Because of that, they was able
Speaker 3: to get That's why they it was such a high
Speaker 3: scoring first half because they were staying with their match up,
Speaker 3: getting through everything.
Speaker 4: Titles in that short little drop. Then this short drop
Speaker 4: I call him short drop.
Speaker 3: He right there on that short drop and he trying
Speaker 3: to stun a little bit, get back in front of
Speaker 3: you a little bit late.
Speaker 4: That's when they was turning the corner and they was
Speaker 4: reading it.
Speaker 3: But they stuck with it. They stuck with a game
Speaker 3: three because it kept the pace going, It kept okay,
Speaker 3: see downhill, make a miss, we out anyway, So the
Speaker 3: game is gonna be back and forth. But tonight they
Speaker 3: was in a lot of switches when they won in
Speaker 3: Switches game three.
Speaker 2: Exactly, and I think I think Okase took full advantage
Speaker 2: of that. Like so so now when I'm going ahead
Speaker 2: in this series, I'm saying, no matter how much we
Speaker 2: get hurt, And not only am I saying that, but
Speaker 2: also I'm matching nim Harr's minutes with Shay. The only
Speaker 2: time you get a break is when he come off
Speaker 2: the floor. And the rest of the game, you're getting
Speaker 2: through every screen. You're fighting through everything. We getting to
Speaker 2: them because again to your point, Moe, even if Shae
Speaker 2: turned the corner and he got a little advantage, but
Speaker 2: nim Harr is fighting through it.
Speaker 1: If he don't have a crazy advantage.
Speaker 2: He gonna stop because at his pace, you know, he
Speaker 2: wanted to get it at and at his pace, nim Hard.
Speaker 1: Has shown that he can guard him at his pace.
Speaker 4: He's confident.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, they play on the Canadian national team. You know
Speaker 2: they playing ones when they.
Speaker 3: In camp him. Absolutely, that's the problem. They got too
Speaker 3: much respect for him.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, So so as a scorer saying them hard,
Speaker 2: don't because I don't do this. This ain't my carridicious
Speaker 2: your career, get them hard, don't switch it.
Speaker 1: What happens next? If you shay, you've been in that position.
Speaker 3: He gotta get down here, he gets and he got
Speaker 3: he gotta get down here, and he gotta get it
Speaker 3: in advanced every single time. And he gotta be ready
Speaker 3: to step because at some point he gotta fight through it.
Speaker 3: That may be over and undered if he under You
Speaker 3: gotta have that trigger ready. If you knock, you knock
Speaker 3: a couple on screens down. When you got faith, I
Speaker 3: mean shot it down behind the screen, when you got
Speaker 3: his face. Now he getting over the top every time,
Speaker 3: and they ain't switching. Now you got him on your hip.
Speaker 3: Now you got an advantage. Now you now you get
Speaker 3: into the line more. Now Now he didn't start getting
Speaker 3: to the line to down the stretch when they were
Speaker 3: trying to keep the fucking game close.
Speaker 4: Did you get what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So that's the only time he started getting to the line,
Speaker 3: but throughout the throughout the game, he wasn't getting too
Speaker 3: the line like that because he wasn't really getting him
Speaker 3: on the hip. Everything was kind of getting to the elbow,
Speaker 3: kind of getting his feet set, trying to get some separation,
Speaker 3: trying to get that pull up off. And if I'm Indiana,
Speaker 3: I'm making I'm forcing him into that two that mit
Speaker 3: rain pull up at the free throw line because he
Speaker 3: willing to get there. If you get to him every time,
Speaker 3: you know, if he making, he making, he don't, he don't.
Speaker 3: It's still a two, and you can get it out
Speaker 3: real quick and go. Now he ain't getting to the line.
Speaker 3: He get into that line and you start letting him
Speaker 3: get an angle, and he started to get an angle
Speaker 3: on you. Unable to get them, get them long stretchy
Speaker 3: layups and them floaters. And now when he get those,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, he's gonna knock a couple of threes down.
Speaker 3: And then if he get that three level going, you
Speaker 3: want to keep him at two levels, and you want
Speaker 3: majority of them to be at the second level. And
Speaker 3: I know they trying to do that, but they really
Speaker 3: just playing off how he how how he playing and
Speaker 3: how the defense said, wherever angle he coming from, but
Speaker 3: they just falling him into that range. He gonna accept
Speaker 3: that every time.
Speaker 2: When when you when you look at when you look
Speaker 2: at what's happening with the lineups, right, you got a
Speaker 2: team that won sixty eight games.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I ain't understanding that with Dre.
Speaker 2: They came into the NBA Finals and change.
Speaker 1: I can't, I can't. I still can't believe that.
Speaker 3: Man, you know what it is. Man, you know that's
Speaker 3: when the coach just, you know, they just cocky. You know,
Speaker 3: they just you know, feel like they you know what
Speaker 3: you being. I am him, you know, it's it's just
Speaker 3: that's their case. It's because if you we can't understand
Speaker 3: why we could sit there and why would we do that.
Speaker 3: I can see Indiana doing that as they should. You
Speaker 3: won sixty eight games. You know what this looks like.
Speaker 3: And we as players, and obviously I'm a coach now,
Speaker 3: I would never adjust to the chake In a minute,
Speaker 3: I see when I go into into the locker room
Speaker 3: and we get our starters to come here from the
Speaker 3: pole team ten minutes before the game, and I get
Speaker 3: on that board coach bringing in all right, who they
Speaker 3: got starting is who we think. Then they come back
Speaker 3: and say, no, coach, they started such and so they
Speaker 3: trying to match up to us.
Speaker 1: I have won the game because that's what what that's
Speaker 1: what we do best. I done won the game.
Speaker 3: So by by doing that, now now now you get
Speaker 3: more cocky. You you felt like, well that wasn't the
Speaker 3: reason we lost the game. Running back, you know, did
Speaker 3: it again? Then obviously after game three you want to
Speaker 3: switch it back, you know, so I don't know, man,
Speaker 3: you know, so that you know what's your thoughts on name.
Speaker 2: I thought number one, you never show your hand before
Speaker 2: you need to show your hand, So.
Speaker 3: That should have been an adjustment.
Speaker 2: That's an adjustment when you going into the series. We're
Speaker 2: going with what has worked for us this whole time.
Speaker 2: If we get in game one, I'm not sure I'm
Speaker 2: adjusting to game one, But if it's so bad and
Speaker 2: it's glaringly noticeable, then yes I'll make the adjustment. But
Speaker 2: for instance, okay, see like they should have won game one.
Speaker 2: They they they won game one. They just trick it off.
Speaker 2: But when I when I when I take a step
Speaker 2: back and I'm I'm going into the series, you never
Speaker 2: they showed their adjustment before the series started. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: when you've been in these situations and you know how
Speaker 2: this go in In twenty fifteen, when we won our
Speaker 2: first championship, the death lineup was already born. We knew
Speaker 2: our small lineup was our best lineup. We didn't start
Speaker 2: the series with our death lineup, starting with Andre Goadala
Speaker 2: in the start lineup. We started the series starting our
Speaker 2: lineup we have been starting. We got to two to one,
Speaker 2: down to one, they made the call.
Speaker 3: We started.
Speaker 2: Now Andre, we're going with our death line up to start, right.
Speaker 2: That's our first time in the NBA finals. That's also
Speaker 2: Steve Curts first time coaching the NBA finals. Also his
Speaker 2: first year ever as a coach, but Steve has played
Speaker 2: and won five championships. Dan greg Popovich, he's seeing Phil
Speaker 2: Jackson make these adjustments when the adjustment need to be made,
Speaker 2: not starting the series. And so we're going into this series.
Speaker 2: We're playing with all right, boom that ain't working.
Speaker 1: This boom.
Speaker 2: We got our adjustment. But to show your adjustment, like
Speaker 2: there's no adjustment for Okac. The adjustments they're making now
Speaker 2: is like, all right, we want to get Shay off
Speaker 2: the ball a little bit more although I think that
Speaker 2: didn't work either, Like if Indiana closed the game when
Speaker 2: they should close the game and extend the league, how
Speaker 2: they should that don't work either, right, Like the adjustment
Speaker 2: is usually a.
Speaker 1: Matchup or line. You already took that away. So if
Speaker 1: you know they've made their adjustment, what can they do now?
Speaker 2: Like all right, so yes, they won game for and okay,
Speaker 2: see's the best team, so they should win the series.
Speaker 1: But it should what you've already made your trump and
Speaker 1: then not.
Speaker 3: But I don't think we give it well that were
Speaker 3: given all out enough credit right now? I want I
Speaker 3: wanted to say credit more so respect. You get what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, just more so on like like here far
Speaker 3: as coaching, he's a he's a he's a legend.
Speaker 1: Yes, you get what I mean.
Speaker 3: So when I when I'm talking about, okay, see Indiana
Speaker 3: right now, talent wise, team wise, what they've done from
Speaker 3: a season standpoint, absolutely, But now we're talking about adjustment
Speaker 3: on top of adjustment, you know, how we're approaching the
Speaker 3: next game, how you even communicate with your team getting
Speaker 3: them ready when we're talking about staff putting all that together,
Speaker 3: not saying who's better. But boy, I'm talking about who's
Speaker 3: been doing it longer. You give what I'm saying. Just
Speaker 3: imagine Dread year three and Drea year twelve and eight,
Speaker 3: Draad year whatever. It's a different level of mindset. Even
Speaker 3: though Dre was good at the year three. Yes, you
Speaker 3: get what I'm saying. So at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: I think that it's almost like, you know, you're gonna
Speaker 3: be all young fella. You should be back here so on,
Speaker 3: or you may be back here another day, but you know,
Speaker 3: let the grown folks handle this.
Speaker 4: What's going on. How I feel, are he coaching? You
Speaker 4: know what I mean?
Speaker 3: So I just think Indiana from that standpoint, has a chance.
Speaker 3: You know, Look, okay, see clearly the better team one thousand.
Speaker 2: And I've had, I've had and I know this thing
Speaker 2: is this because I've had a coach and he's a
Speaker 2: very prominent coach in the being. I won't say his
Speaker 2: name because I ain't that type of guy. I ain't
Speaker 2: selling nobody.
Speaker 3: I got you.
Speaker 2: But what he did tell me is and the way
Speaker 2: he said, the coaches who has won championships, it's like
Speaker 2: this little fraternity and they don't want to see a
Speaker 2: new coach enter m hm. So Rick Carlisle is holding
Speaker 2: it down for all the coaches that have.
Speaker 5: Wonagno entered the conversation, and I know this to be factual.
Speaker 1: It's a very prominent coach. He's a player.
Speaker 2: He might have won a championship as a players. Listen
Speaker 2: and saying that though, and I think I think Rick
Speaker 2: has out coached him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, you've out coached him in y'all too too.
Speaker 2: Do you think Rick made a mistake because down the stretch,
Speaker 2: I think we had like three holly cross cross cross
Speaker 2: cross cross, step back air ball threes down? Was Rick
Speaker 2: I fought for not making sure Pascal get the ball,
Speaker 2: because absolutely, I think is the guy when you need
Speaker 2: to get a great look. Pascal is the guy to
Speaker 2: get you to look. He was he mad down the
Speaker 2: stretch and not Pascal got a touch.
Speaker 3: I think I think so you know, but I do
Speaker 3: think too, it's a it's a kind of let your
Speaker 3: team play too, because you got to think about it.
Speaker 3: They offen, you know, it better than not do. It's
Speaker 3: just free flow, like they ain't really geared. It's unless
Speaker 3: howscal they're giving it to him on that chopper wing
Speaker 3: area right there. I call it chopper wing in between
Speaker 3: the slider and the wing in that area right there.
Speaker 3: If he getting it there, way he able to maneuver
Speaker 3: the top of the key in the trail position or
Speaker 3: right there in the mid block. If you get in
Speaker 3: the ball of them three spots, get out the way.
Speaker 3: Let him go to work. Make sure we's facing.
Speaker 4: But outside of that, it's spacing the floor.
Speaker 3: We hid were cutting off here, we in our open action,
Speaker 3: we in our rip action. They just it's a lot
Speaker 3: of movement and that's the base of the offense. So
Speaker 3: I think he's smart.
Speaker 4: Enough and don't give a damn enough to say I'm
Speaker 4: gonna let my team play.
Speaker 3: You know, if I have to go to that, to
Speaker 3: you know, them dirt spots, I go to it if
Speaker 3: I have to mean it. Well, okay, see going to
Speaker 3: those dirt spots before they have to run action, which
Speaker 3: they ain't even running.
Speaker 4: They ain't running no action.
Speaker 3: Okay, see just getting downhill, putting the ball in guy's hands,
Speaker 3: you know, looking for some overhelp, kicking out, trying to
Speaker 3: make some threes, and trying to get the spots. But Indiana,
Speaker 3: more so, they relying on their action and their movement,
Speaker 3: because if you stand still on okay see and try to.
Speaker 4: Go to work, you gonna have some trouble.
Speaker 3: And Indiana don't have enough guy that on the elite
Speaker 3: level that can just go get buckets, you know, so
Speaker 3: outside of past guy, yeah, you know. So they gotta
Speaker 3: rely on movement because if you know, if you let
Speaker 3: okay see, just just load up and get back and
Speaker 3: being position.
Speaker 4: Oh, you're in trouble. That's why they're getting it out.
Speaker 3: That's that's why that's why he had five steals game,
Speaker 3: because they don't care we're getting it out. We're not
Speaker 3: letting y'all get back and setting up. If we're getting
Speaker 3: that ball down in the court, we'll live with those steals, yep.
Speaker 3: If we're getting that ball out on one second touch
Speaker 3: it out of there, we're gone. And they getting the
Speaker 3: ball across head quarter three seconds every single possession, every
Speaker 3: single and the more they do that, the more often.
Speaker 4: They get the ball across the head quarter three seconds.
Speaker 3: Now, if it's creating a flow in the shifting defense,
Speaker 3: you already created your advantage. But if you get that
Speaker 3: ball up more than five second with a defense every
Speaker 3: single one on the touch the three point line, you
Speaker 3: in trouble.
Speaker 2: The facts what it also does is they create natural
Speaker 2: mismatches because we're all taught in transition. You don't have
Speaker 2: a man in the NBA. The first rule in transition
Speaker 2: is you don't have a man like that. You're just
Speaker 2: going to run to young man and transition the other team.
Speaker 2: If you're rulesing the NBA, are you go get your
Speaker 2: man every time? The team will get a layup every possession.
Speaker 2: So that's the number one rule in the NBA. You
Speaker 2: don't have a man in transition. And so what it's
Speaker 2: doing also is it's naturally creating these mismatches. It's naturally
Speaker 2: creating cross matches to where you you know.
Speaker 3: Topping Topping gonna have a guard on. He's running Topping
Speaker 3: out there on the track. Man he running and they say,
Speaker 3: you know they pushing it down. He already in the
Speaker 3: seal because he because the only person can get back.
Speaker 1: With him is a guard. Yep, exactly.
Speaker 2: And you look at you look at like Hallie got
Speaker 2: maybe three layups in the in the third quarter going
Speaker 2: to his right hand, stretch out layups. None of them
Speaker 2: were on lou dr I think one of them was
Speaker 2: on the check check was behind Shay was Shaye was
Speaker 2: on them and that's because they're pushing the ball so fast.
Speaker 2: You just got to get matched up with who's ever
Speaker 2: the closest man, and that is to their advantage, and
Speaker 2: they take that advantage.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, when the game so down, you have to that
Speaker 1: we got to get that ball to Pascal. He's the
Speaker 1: only person on.
Speaker 2: Indiana's team that can create a double team. And create
Speaker 2: the double team, you kick it out and now you
Speaker 2: got the first domino to fall. Everything else can just roll.
Speaker 3: Yep, exactly, and that and that's what they missing, and
Speaker 3: that's what and all they got it. He just didn't
Speaker 3: go to it. So to go back to what you said,
Speaker 3: you know, I bet he had the career right now
Speaker 3: or probably in the office right now thinking about that stuff.
Speaker 3: My god, dog, you know they understand that. You know, man,
Speaker 3: it's it's real.
Speaker 4: You know, it's real. We've been in the moments, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So you you live with some you know, you go
Speaker 3: back to the room and you say, man, you start kicking,
Speaker 3: You start kicking yourself, playing it all back, playing it
Speaker 3: all back, which you can do it all over again,
Speaker 3: but you can't.
Speaker 4: You got to move on to the next too.
Speaker 3: So too, Yes, it is too too man.
Speaker 2: So speaking of moving on to the next one we
Speaker 2: had in the game five and going into game five,
Speaker 2: what do you think is the most important thing going
Speaker 2: into game five for OKCU who's heading back home, but
Speaker 2: then also for Indiana who got to go back on
Speaker 2: the road. You've given up home court again, you gotta
Speaker 2: go get it back. What is it heading into game
Speaker 2: five for these guys?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 3: I think game five for OKC is more so going
Speaker 3: back home with some confidence. You know, even though they
Speaker 3: was losing an entire single game, became and wanted the end.
Speaker 3: That little bit gave him the confidence they needed to
Speaker 3: go win Game five.
Speaker 4: Yep, you know, they just knew that we got out
Speaker 4: of here with one. It's all, you know.
Speaker 3: So now they can go home and they regroup. They're
Speaker 3: gonna get their energy from their fans.
Speaker 4: So now when they you know what the media been
Speaker 4: talking about last two day.
Speaker 3: Oh they look tired it, Oh they ain't gonna look
Speaker 3: tired on game five.
Speaker 4: Promise you ain't gonna be tired in game five.
Speaker 3: But the energy is gonna be. They just gonna be
Speaker 3: pulling energy from the crowd. So I expect, you know,
Speaker 3: okay see to have one of those high scoring games though,
Speaker 3: that one twenty five, one thirty five type of game.
Speaker 3: Game five, my opinion, I feel like the defense gonna
Speaker 3: create you know, a lot of tough shots, like Indiana
Speaker 3: is getting a lot of good looks.
Speaker 4: And now it's gonna be Game five on the road
Speaker 4: and a lot.
Speaker 3: Of them looks that they make, and even some tough ones,
Speaker 3: they better shoot a high percentage. And like Game two,
Speaker 3: they was in the thirties, and so I think it's
Speaker 3: a it's a it's one of them games.
Speaker 4: But okayc got it make shots.
Speaker 3: The more that ball going the basket, even though they
Speaker 3: getting it out quick, the more you could get your
Speaker 3: defense set. The more you score, the more you have
Speaker 3: energy on the defensive end far as getting stops, because
Speaker 3: everybody feeling good, you know, everybody pumping their chest. We
Speaker 3: scoring the ball, they bringing energy on the defensive end also,
Speaker 3: so now now we got confidence on the offensive. Man,
Speaker 3: now we're running more now the other guys. I just
Speaker 3: think it's gonna be one of those games. Okay. See
Speaker 3: my opinion, I think is gonna be a game of okay,
Speaker 3: see dominate now. Then it's gonna be a domination game.
Speaker 3: Now Indianago had to go back home as far as
Speaker 3: regroup and send it to game seven. That's my uh,
Speaker 3: you know kind of kind of perception of what's gonna
Speaker 3: happen going forward. I just think, okay, see got away
Speaker 3: with one.
Speaker 4: You know, I think this was the game, and they
Speaker 4: Indiana did what they had to do to get them.
Speaker 3: How hard it was to get these two games they
Speaker 3: could have got.
Speaker 1: Then would there would have going on that would have
Speaker 1: won of what?
Speaker 3: Oh I'm talking about National NBA Championship. Man, that one
Speaker 3: game that they had.
Speaker 2: They had the game, they had the game this listen,
Speaker 2: this puts them up three to one, which which moves.
Speaker 3: Us on who my goodness, man.
Speaker 2: Speaking of game five today in NBA history of Lebron
Speaker 2: and Kyrie scored forty one points. They go out of
Speaker 2: their mind and y'all beat us. Excuse me because game
Speaker 2: five is I'm suspended. So both yeah, both guys go
Speaker 2: for forty one and we are headed back to Cleveland
Speaker 2: for game six.
Speaker 1: Like what's the conversation like now?
Speaker 3: Right? Like, so so game five those the year before
Speaker 3: you you was thinking about this sixteen So yes, so
Speaker 3: sixteen so game five obviously that happened to you and broun.
Speaker 3: Game four you did as a favorite, like if you
Speaker 3: did it today, that's the whole nothing.
Speaker 4: That ain't they got something that ain't got nothing to
Speaker 4: do with me. They got something do with y'all. Y'all.
Speaker 3: The one that that's up there talking to Adam and
Speaker 3: stuff handling that, that's who handled all that.
Speaker 4: So listen, you did us a favor.
Speaker 3: Because by you not being in game five, that that
Speaker 3: really gave us confident that we got past Game five.
Speaker 3: That was the game y'all could have put us away,
Speaker 3: Like if you play game five, y'all could have put
Speaker 3: us away because we we we would. We just needed
Speaker 3: something and the motivation we got going back for game
Speaker 3: six was the whole thing. Going back home, we were
Speaker 3: just we remember Christmas, y'all, remember y'all we played on Christmas,
Speaker 3: and but y'all came in there talking about, oh, it's
Speaker 3: the listening like Champagne up here.
Speaker 4: We never forgot that. We never forgot it.
Speaker 3: It's like Champagne and we like damn, that's how they feel.
Speaker 3: So coming back for game six, always saying, man, they
Speaker 3: ain't celebrating any Q. That was always saying, and you
Speaker 3: already know all you need is something you get what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, So like that was the biggest thing. So
Speaker 3: fast forward, we win game six, going back for game seven.
Speaker 3: Now we in the mold like anything can happen type stuff.
Speaker 3: But what really got our head right was we started
Speaker 3: talking about how.
Speaker 4: We're gonna be, what we're gonna do during the parade.
Speaker 4: This is before game seven. That's why you start like Jr.
Speaker 3: With the shirt.
Speaker 4: You saw a lot of us with a shirt offs.
Speaker 3: But jayall the one that they talk about. But that's
Speaker 3: what we say stuff. Man, I ain't wearing a shirt
Speaker 3: for a week. I ain't doing it like. It's just
Speaker 3: things that we're kind of putting out in the atmosphere,
Speaker 3: like when we win it, when we win it, when
Speaker 3: we win it. So it was just that mindset once
Speaker 3: we got past game six in game seven, and obviously, man,
Speaker 3: I tell people this story all the time, and you
Speaker 3: can now you hear it from someone opposing team perspective,
Speaker 3: and just to be in that game for every possession,
Speaker 3: understanding how much every single possession matters. I played twelve
Speaker 3: minutes that game. Every possession I had in that game mattered.
Speaker 3: My match up was shown lives that I have to
Speaker 3: understand his spot. I gotta know exactly what's on the
Speaker 3: scot report where I need to send them, what shot
Speaker 3: I want him take it? You get what I mean.
Speaker 3: And every single minute that Kyrie on the bench and
Speaker 3: I'm in the game, like my minute's important. I can
Speaker 3: make or break us in these twelve minutes. So I
Speaker 3: just remember just every single possession and just the moment
Speaker 3: the block happened, the shot happened, just this pot going
Speaker 3: zero zero, just all those moments when you win it.
Speaker 4: Obviously you had the experience of doing it multiple.
Speaker 3: Times, but just the feeling of window clock. Just imagine
Speaker 3: your first one. How that felt. Yeah, that's how mine felt.
Speaker 3: What I'm saying, you know. So at the end of
Speaker 3: the day, then you're going back to Cleveland. We leave
Speaker 3: you guys, don't know if you know this story on
Speaker 3: something you do. Oh yeah, we were de vage. But
Speaker 3: but this is the crazy thing, though, Joe, this is
Speaker 3: the crazy thing. We had two planes.
Speaker 4: It was two planes, one plane for the family, one
Speaker 4: plane for the team. Right, they put the family on
Speaker 4: the plane, they went on to Cleveland.
Speaker 3: We didn't got in the air fo hour and boom boom, boom,
Speaker 3: we invade, were like, what the we're in Vegas, family
Speaker 3: home man. We in Vega til eight eight nine in
Speaker 3: the morning. Then we fight a Cleveland man. This one
Speaker 3: hundred thousand even like at the airport is crazy. One
Speaker 3: point five million people downtown at the parade, one point
Speaker 3: five million, man, it was experienced like no other.
Speaker 1: I bet it was.
Speaker 2: I remember our first parade in Oakland, Oakland never expected
Speaker 2: to see a parade. There was over a million people
Speaker 2: out there and it was one of the best days
Speaker 2: of my life. So I can only imagine that was
Speaker 2: like from you, especially being in a position where it's like, yo,
Speaker 2: you're supposed to lose the series exactly, like it's over exactly.
Speaker 1: I can only imagine what that was like.
Speaker 2: But in speaking of that, that ended up being the
Speaker 2: last year of your career, Part question number one, how'd
Speaker 2: you end up back in Cleveland for the last year
Speaker 2: of your career where you became an all star, where you,
Speaker 2: like Moll Williams always had a great career and was
Speaker 2: putting together a good career, but like you really became
Speaker 2: one of the ones in my opinion, like in Cleveland,
Speaker 2: like that you had fifty before, like all of the things.
Speaker 2: But like we've seen other guys have fifty like that,
Speaker 2: you think, all right, like that guy had fifty, But
Speaker 2: like I felt like you really became like one of
Speaker 2: them dudes in Cleveland. And then to go there for
Speaker 2: that last year. What was that whole process like for you?
Speaker 3: It was it was good man, because that was I
Speaker 3: was in I was in Minnesota. It was bad that year.
Speaker 3: That was That was the year that Flip passed away. Unfortunately,
Speaker 3: right after that and me and Ricky Rubio, we just
Speaker 3: drafted Zach Levine and I signed there as a free agent.
Speaker 4: I was coming off surgeon with my thumb.
Speaker 3: Leaving Utah, and I went to Minnesota and I started playing,
Speaker 3: you know, toward the first half of the season, you
Speaker 3: know Zach.
Speaker 4: They were trying to bring Zach along. Rub Yo got hurt.
Speaker 3: So I started playing a lot of minutes, starting playing
Speaker 3: thirty five, thirty seven, and it always works yourself out,
Speaker 3: so I'm hoping. And then all of a sudden, you know,
Speaker 3: they wanted we sorry as hell, so they you know,
Speaker 3: they're trying to bring back up, which was a good decision,
Speaker 3: and Flip came to me. It was crazy because I
Speaker 3: was supposed to go to Cleveland. I was supposed to
Speaker 3: get bought out and go to Cleveland, miss miss season
Speaker 3: and play against y'all in the fifteen final. I would
Speaker 3: have been against y'all that year. So, uh, Flip come
Speaker 3: to me, he said, Mo, I love you know. He said,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna trade you, man, so you know I'm finnah
Speaker 3: play this. This is how real flips on the world.
Speaker 3: He came to me, said, I'm gonna trade you know.
Speaker 3: He said, Hey, I'm a Zach Gavine young fellow. We
Speaker 3: you know, we're finna bring him up. He's gonna play
Speaker 3: more than me and he ain't gonna play, but I'm
Speaker 3: I'm gonna trade you. So, you know, talk to your agent.
Speaker 3: Y'all get back with me.
Speaker 4: He said, Man, I can't look down there at that bench.
Speaker 3: You know. You you know you should be playing and
Speaker 3: I can't play. I said, man, that's real. So we
Speaker 3: had our team. It was obviously LA and it was Cleveland.
Speaker 4: So uh, we went to him with those options.
Speaker 3: You know, me and Rich talked and Rich, you know,
Speaker 3: talking through talking for Braun and He's just like, yeah, man,
Speaker 3: get you know, listen, let's let's figure out how we
Speaker 3: can get about out over there.
Speaker 1: And the deal done.
Speaker 3: So we were trying to work and through that, the
Speaker 3: Flip came to them and said, I can't give you
Speaker 3: away for nothing. That ain't gonna happen. So I end
Speaker 3: up going to Charlotte and Kimball was down a little
Speaker 3: bit and they were writing that ninth spot, so they
Speaker 3: was fighting for a playoff spot. And let me tell
Speaker 3: you something crazy about that season I was in Minnesota.
Speaker 3: Were sorry as head. I won Western Conference Player of
Speaker 3: the Year. I'm not playing the year player of the week,
Speaker 3: Western confiss Player of the Week. I get traded mid
Speaker 3: season to the Eastern Cover to Charlotte second week there
Speaker 3: when East Common player of the week.
Speaker 4: You look up.
Speaker 3: The record going on the player they ever did that's
Speaker 3: winning player of the week in both conferences in the
Speaker 3: same year. Obviously you got to get traded. But I'm
Speaker 3: the only player that's ever been done. I looked it up. Now,
Speaker 3: you tell me if I'm wrong, But that's something I
Speaker 3: could take to my grade right there, that I ain't
Speaker 3: seen happen too often, you know, so obviously, exactly so,
Speaker 3: obviously these.
Speaker 1: Guys that good to win those awards don't get.
Speaker 3: Traded, exactly exactly. So I WoT Player of the Week
Speaker 3: in both both conference in the same year. So I
Speaker 3: was a free agent this summer, and you remember Kyrie
Speaker 3: was hurt. Remember he came back on Christmas against y'all
Speaker 3: the next year, so I was a free agent and
Speaker 3: I had some option to go some team and get
Speaker 3: a little money, but it was it was nothing.
Speaker 4: Playoff teams or teams that ain't have a chance.
Speaker 3: And then then I started talking to Cleveland and we
Speaker 3: talked Big Griff was talking Dave Davis over there. Griffin
Speaker 3: was over there at the time. So we started talking
Speaker 3: and they ain't had no money. So basically, you know,
Speaker 3: they like, you know, we come over here, Kyrie gonna
Speaker 3: be out. We need somebody to come in and start
Speaker 3: and play heavy minutes. You know, Deli is a backup
Speaker 3: and we want to keep him in that role. And
Speaker 3: when Kyrie come back, you know he's gonna play. Deli's
Speaker 3: gonna play. You just got to stay ready, you know.
Speaker 3: So they kind of sold me on that, and just like, man,
Speaker 3: you know, we compete for a championship, and you know,
Speaker 3: when things open up, we'll be you know, money, we'll
Speaker 3: be willing to pay you or obviously, you have opportunity
Speaker 3: to go get it wherever you want to go. So, uh,
Speaker 3: I took that option, you know, because I wanted to
Speaker 3: win a championship because at the moment at the time,
Speaker 3: I was even debating being done anyway, not even worried
Speaker 3: about another contract because actually my knee was messed up
Speaker 3: and I had another year left on the deal. I
Speaker 3: just got the surgery and shut it down and I
Speaker 3: played through that season. My last season, I played through
Speaker 3: it with a messed up knee. UH, and got surgery
Speaker 3: after the season and decided to hang it up. But
Speaker 3: the championship aspect of it really really.
Speaker 4: Made the decision for me. It made the decision easy
Speaker 4: for me.
Speaker 3: And you know, and then at that time, you know,
Speaker 3: I had the gym in Dallas, I had the youth
Speaker 3: team going on, and I was coaching. I had got
Speaker 3: that bug, and you know, at that point I got
Speaker 3: you know, obviously, I got seven boys and all my
Speaker 3: boys coming up playing, and I wanted to start my
Speaker 3: second half of my career. I knew I wanted to coach,
Speaker 3: and eventually I want to, you know, obviously get to
Speaker 3: a level where I can compete for a national championship.
Speaker 3: But you know, I got a grind. I gotta pay
Speaker 3: my dues, you know what I mean. And I'm obviously
Speaker 3: at Jackson State HBCU, where we don't have all the resources.
Speaker 3: You know, people don't really understand like the things I
Speaker 3: gotta do, you know, as far as like non comfort schedule.
Speaker 3: You know, I got to play you know, the Houston,
Speaker 3: the Michigan State stuff, you know, the dude the guns AGAs,
Speaker 3: you know, to get one hundred thousand dollars a game
Speaker 3: to raise my budget which is now one hundred thousand dollars,
Speaker 3: so you know, I can pay my Saturday guys and
Speaker 3: travel the way we need to travel and get the
Speaker 3: thing we gotta get.
Speaker 4: But what they do is it puts us on.
Speaker 3: The rod with thirteen straight game. We don't have the
Speaker 3: schedule to compete like you know, other teams. And then
Speaker 3: you look at my record and you say, you know,
Speaker 3: he's just a five hundred cod but I'm forty one
Speaker 3: and fifteen in conference light. You get what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: you know, but I done played thirty nine straight on
Speaker 3: the road by games, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 3: so for me, it is like people don't understand their story.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like you know, I reach
Speaker 3: out to people to just try to get people to
Speaker 3: kind of understand if we can just get some support,
Speaker 3: like man, we get somebody together because we all five
Speaker 3: we five oh one C three you can get all
Speaker 3: your right ouf. Cause we're school. We're educational school. So
Speaker 3: now when we're talking about hipping our kind of helping
Speaker 3: our institution, that's that's how.
Speaker 4: We can help us.
Speaker 3: You know, it ain't about talking about it or putting
Speaker 3: onders whatever. It's the financial part is the difference in
Speaker 3: the dude, not even the dukes I'm talking about like
Speaker 3: the Sam Houston and the Louisianas, you know, just just
Speaker 3: that type, that type of level, like they don't have
Speaker 3: to go out and play by a game.
Speaker 4: They have home games. They can you know they can.
Speaker 3: Do that because they got a million dollars coming in
Speaker 3: the difference between those schools. I have to go raise
Speaker 3: that money by playing games. Now, we can function like
Speaker 3: any other Division one team. But if you can go
Speaker 3: out say I'm just giving this an example, I say, Drake,
Speaker 3: you're our GM, because what these fields got right, You
Speaker 3: our GM. All you doing is you're gonna go to
Speaker 3: ten people that you know and say match my one
Speaker 3: hundred thousand, and they gonna say, all right, Dre, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna match your one hundred thousand, and you're gonna creator.
Speaker 3: You're gonna create an entity.
Speaker 4: Y'all gonna put that. You're gonna get that money.
Speaker 3: You're gonna send it to Jack State that is gonna
Speaker 3: get it right off from from a donation every single year.
Speaker 3: That creates our budget.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So now i can go play thirteen non conference game
Speaker 3: where I'm playing North Carolina Central. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Where I'm playing You get what I'm saying where I'm
Speaker 3: playing Savannah State, Right, those are games I should be playing.
Speaker 1: Why should I.
Speaker 4: Don't me playing Michigan State.
Speaker 3: That don't make sense.
Speaker 1: It's just a practice game for us.
Speaker 3: But I gotta do it. You give what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I gotta go raise one hundred thousands. But that ain't
Speaker 3: the type of environment you're giving your kid. Because now
Speaker 3: you got to think about this. Imagine you want to
Speaker 3: see you have a you have a son, and you
Speaker 3: want to send your son to HBCU. You play in
Speaker 3: Michigan State. You want him to have some of the
Speaker 3: same things that you had. You know, all the things
Speaker 3: that that school. It can be created at HBCU, but
Speaker 3: you don't have the capacity to get it done, you
Speaker 3: get what I mean.
Speaker 4: So if you can get people.
Speaker 3: To get involved in a way of getting the money here,
Speaker 3: now you can go raise money and have a meal
Speaker 3: plan and have certain things. The little things you can't
Speaker 3: go get because you spending all your money just on
Speaker 3: rating for about game and getting through your salaries and
Speaker 3: everything like that. So you just robbing Peter to play
Speaker 3: Paul every year instead of building things around. So that's
Speaker 3: the biggest thing that I want you to know. And
Speaker 3: when you are around people, it ain't got to be
Speaker 3: judge Jackson State, but just understand HBCU as a general
Speaker 3: if they have a group and that's something that you
Speaker 3: can be an initiative of fore fund and make that
Speaker 3: initiative where get groups together and get just tied to
Speaker 3: HBCU as far as financially, put some toward you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, and put some tour the men's basketball
Speaker 3: program or whatever program that they tied to. Because that's
Speaker 3: the difference between you know, those universities and HBCU. Because
Speaker 3: we all operate the sign.
Speaker 2: And I think I think let's let's also take it
Speaker 2: a step further because I am a college basketball fan
Speaker 2: and obviously I watch Michigan State faithfully. But you talk
Speaker 2: selection Sunday and all these things. Let's take it a
Speaker 2: step further. Say, y'all do win your conference, but you've
Speaker 2: lost thirteen games to Michigan, stated, North Carolina, Gonzaga, blah
Speaker 2: blah blah because you've had to play these games from
Speaker 2: a budget standpoint. Now you get the sixteen sixteen playing
Speaker 2: game as opposed to if you didn't have to play
Speaker 2: those games. And y'all are Jackson State, but are twenty
Speaker 2: nine and four. Exactly, you may get the thirteenth seed
Speaker 2: that doesn't play in it, and it's just a totally
Speaker 2: different ball game then the sixteen sixteen.
Speaker 1: You win the sixteen sixteen, great, good luck.
Speaker 6: You play Auburn Exactly, you got no chance as well, Right,
Speaker 6: I get it, you have no chance, and that's one thing,
Speaker 6: and we're all fight for just that one spot you're
Speaker 6: talking about.
Speaker 3: And to even go further with that is you take me,
Speaker 3: for example, last year, I finished second in the league
Speaker 3: last year, one.
Speaker 4: Game out of first place, right, one game and then
Speaker 4: one game out of the tournament. So just think about this.
Speaker 3: I got thirteen non conference, guy, I'll go oher to
Speaker 3: thirteen and non conference from that point on. When conference
Speaker 3: place started, I won sixteen out of twenty games.
Speaker 4: You get what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So imagine if I play another conference schedule like anybody
Speaker 3: else and just say I go eight and five. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's twenty four, that's twenty four. At nine. Now I've
Speaker 3: lose that championship game. I'm in the n I t
Speaker 3: I'm in some kind of other tournament. I don't even
Speaker 3: get the opportunity to go into another tournament because I'm eighteen.
Speaker 3: I'm sixteen to seven team up below five hundred. But
Speaker 3: I have won sixteen out of twenty games when conference
Speaker 3: plays start. So that's what I'm trying to change. And
Speaker 3: the only way I can change that it's getting money
Speaker 3: to the money that I got to go get to
Speaker 3: buy money that nine hundred thousand. If I can raise
Speaker 3: that and give that to the school, now I can
Speaker 3: create the schedule where it can be balanced, where I
Speaker 3: can get home games and get good competitive games, just
Speaker 3: like anybody else.
Speaker 4: Play that.
Speaker 3: Go you go look at the UABS you know the
Speaker 3: two line, like the fau's those schools, they're they can.
Speaker 4: We're on the same level as them.
Speaker 3: But the difference is they coach are only going to
Speaker 3: have to go play one of those games to go
Speaker 3: get one hundred thousand.
Speaker 4: I gotta go get nine. That's the difference, you know.
Speaker 3: Because the school, the school aspect, the actual school, the
Speaker 3: athletic department is the department of the school. The school
Speaker 3: is fund in all departments. Right at those schools I'm
Speaker 3: talking about. At Jackson State Athletic, we create our own budget. Really,
Speaker 3: That's what I'm trying to tell you, Like the school does.
Speaker 3: If I don't go out and play now one hundred
Speaker 3: thousand dollars, we do not operate. So I'm not only
Speaker 3: helping men's basketball, but I'm helping women's basketball.
Speaker 4: I'm helping volleyball.
Speaker 3: Football go out and play one game. They don't have
Speaker 3: to play one game, and they just hit They just
Speaker 3: on themselves. But I got a fund three because the
Speaker 3: other sports that not generate income generate sports.
Speaker 4: I'm the only sport on campus that can go out.
Speaker 3: And raise them million dollars just playing games and get
Speaker 3: my ass kick.
Speaker 1: Wow, And then they take some of that money and
Speaker 1: give it to other programs. Yes, how do you win.
Speaker 4: My point?
Speaker 3: Ex athlete, I just told you. I am forty one
Speaker 3: and fifteen in conference, playing three years, but I played
Speaker 3: thirty nine straight games on the road. I'm talking about
Speaker 3: I ain't playing I'm playing Minton Missouri. I'm playing Memphis.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm playing. I went to Missouri and beat them.
Speaker 3: I went the SMU and I beat them. I went
Speaker 3: to Georgetown. It's a four point game with two minutes ago,
Speaker 3: A Joey Cooler said, hey, Mo, it ain't gonna be
Speaker 3: long for you.
Speaker 4: Get somewhere, but don't call me no more. I'm not playing.
Speaker 3: So the difference is now, when you're talking about me
Speaker 3: knowing what I'm doing, trying to move up and get
Speaker 3: other jobs. They look at man, why he ain't winning game?
Speaker 3: Because those a these ain't on this. They don't understand
Speaker 3: what I gotta go through. So that's why I tell
Speaker 3: this story or theother You don't know this. You get
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So when I call people and I'm like, yo,
Speaker 3: I need this, I need that, it's hard.
Speaker 4: Two people have done something for.
Speaker 3: Me and that I know in the league, damn sent
Speaker 3: me fifty. CJ sent me ten. You know what I mean,
Speaker 3: They understand what's going on, but exactly you know, So
Speaker 3: I'm trying to get the work because I didn't know
Speaker 3: this until I got here. We don't because we got
Speaker 3: our own lives. We ain't.
Speaker 4: We don't understand this.
Speaker 3: We just know when we see non conference game and
Speaker 3: it's a sweat HBCU playing the big school they losing
Speaker 3: about sixty.
Speaker 4: That's all we know.
Speaker 1: That's all we mean.
Speaker 3: They have no business playing them. We have no big
Speaker 3: We have no big Why you think why you think
Speaker 3: football has the n c A and f CS they
Speaker 3: not playing them? Yeah, we shouldn't play dude, We shouldn't
Speaker 3: play Alabama like they shouldn't be on our schedule. Like
Speaker 3: how how how am I skipping you know, louis Susiana
Speaker 3: mon Roll you know what I'm saying, and going to
Speaker 3: play there because Louisiana mon Roll can't pay one hundred
Speaker 3: thousand dollars, So I have to go play you cun
Speaker 3: Gonzaga because all they doing is to try to feed
Speaker 3: all them schools are trying to fill three games on
Speaker 3: their schedule, so they just gonna go give us one
Speaker 3: hundred dollars dollars come up there and get their butt. Well,
Speaker 3: we ain't got a chance to win the game. That
Speaker 3: ain't making you no better. You spend the time keeping
Speaker 3: your team together, you give what I'm saying, because you
Speaker 3: ain't gonna win the game. The rest ain't gonna let you.
Speaker 3: It's so much against you. So when I go to
Speaker 3: Missouri SEC team and beat them on their floor, man,
Speaker 3: we celebrate. Why we celebrate if we weren't supposed to
Speaker 3: win this game? You know so, Man, if you can,
Speaker 3: if you can understand that and say, man, you know
Speaker 3: what more, I'm gonna figure out some way to help
Speaker 3: you that'll change our life down here.
Speaker 2: I respect so so from an NIL standpoint, right, like
Speaker 2: the actual nil.
Speaker 1: Did that affect y'all?
Speaker 2: Or because because of the problems you're already dealing with,
Speaker 2: that didn't necessarily come to you? See what I'm trying
Speaker 2: to say, Like, didn't necessarily come to that level because
Speaker 2: of the problems you're already dealing with.
Speaker 1: Or did NIL screw y'all even more?
Speaker 3: No, I think.
Speaker 4: One of both.
Speaker 3: I think when I say one of both, I mean
Speaker 3: it didn't screws. But in some cases it did when
Speaker 3: I say it didn't because it's so many kids out there.
Speaker 3: It's so many kids, and everybody think that they're gonna
Speaker 3: get one hundred thousand, two hundred down three hundred thousand
Speaker 3: so far going up. You know, if you want to
Speaker 3: talk to Mellion, we talking about to select few. But
Speaker 3: the Norman is then the three four hundred, you know,
Speaker 3: like five hundred and six hundred, depends on what level,
Speaker 3: you know, how major, you know seven on up mid
Speaker 3: major gonna be kind.
Speaker 4: Of two up to seven.
Speaker 3: And then when you get down our level lower level,
Speaker 3: you know, anything under one hundred, you know it's good.
Speaker 3: You know. So you know my guys is you know
Speaker 3: they're getting good money, you know, And that's another way
Speaker 3: that you know, that's that's the part that I have
Speaker 3: to do. So I can't do nothing for the buy
Speaker 3: money because I won't have a team if I don't
Speaker 3: have no money to even get kids, no money. So
Speaker 3: from that aspect, you got to be able to have
Speaker 3: money on my level. You have to pay guys, and
Speaker 3: guys are getting paid on our level if you want
Speaker 3: to be good, you know, or is it is it?
Speaker 3: For example, Michigan they got players on their team making
Speaker 3: two million dollars, you know what I mean. We don't
Speaker 3: have that, You get what I mean. So you come
Speaker 3: here and get you a nice little number under one
Speaker 3: hundred and under fifty. You know, you in their reign,
Speaker 3: you living good, you.
Speaker 4: Know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And on our level, you really the upper echelon, and
Speaker 3: you're doing it big, you know, because you have some
Speaker 3: cases down here where they don't have nothing.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: So the beauty of it is is there's a lot
Speaker 3: of guys that get in the portal looking for the money,
Speaker 3: and on our level, you gotta be smart about it
Speaker 3: and just and we're at the point where we have
Speaker 3: to wait, you know, so when recruiting open up, I
Speaker 3: can't just go out and recruit you right away, you know.
Speaker 3: I gotta wait till that that that that domino just
Speaker 3: keeps falling down, you know, because money gonna drive up.
Speaker 3: And then and then when you know, when they fifty
Speaker 3: thousand and sixty thousand, was was like disrespectful. Now it's
Speaker 3: almost like that is folkram Okay, all right, I'm like
Speaker 3: can deal with you know, It's different when you don't
Speaker 3: have nothing, so you kind of just sit on it
Speaker 3: sometime and get the right kid. You know, you just
Speaker 3: get the right kid.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Do I have kids, you know that can go to
Speaker 3: Douke one day? Possibly, you know, but they young, you know,
Speaker 3: they freshman. You know, I recruit young and I recruit kids.
Speaker 3: You know, they got an opportunity to play a bigger schools.
Speaker 3: And I sell them I'm different. I get good kids
Speaker 3: because I sell them on the fact that I want
Speaker 3: to get you to that level. I want to get
Speaker 3: you a Bama. I want to get you a state.
Speaker 3: Give me one of two years, you know. And I
Speaker 3: got a kid like that last year that was freshman
Speaker 3: of the Year. He'll be a sophomore this year, and
Speaker 3: I expect them to have a big year in getting
Speaker 3: the port and go get some money. I got a kid,
Speaker 3: a guard man coming back. There was a Macdomals All American.
Speaker 3: They got a chance. We got a real chance to
Speaker 3: be a pro, A real chair point guard transferred from
Speaker 3: me from old miss. The kid. The kid is electric.
Speaker 3: He got hurt, missed last season, came back this season
Speaker 3: second in the league, is going first in the league
Speaker 3: and assists. So I got talent, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So like with the team, I got safeist. I play,
Speaker 3: you know, with respect schedule. Man, I'm twenty twenty four wins,
Speaker 3: you know, you know, it's it's just a different ball game.
Speaker 3: So I'm fighting real hard to kind of change that
Speaker 3: aspect of because me personally, man, I don't want I
Speaker 3: don't want to lead, you get.
Speaker 4: What I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I like the space I'm at the crib. Man. I
Speaker 3: want to build this thing and I and I just
Speaker 3: want to be able to do that for for for
Speaker 3: my city, you know what I'm saying. So if I
Speaker 3: if I can get hold of you guys and get
Speaker 3: some up, just get some people just to understand it
Speaker 3: and support it. Man, watch this thing blow up and
Speaker 3: be a part of it. And I think it'll be
Speaker 3: something special.
Speaker 2: No doubt. Man, that's good. That's good to hear it.
Speaker 2: I never had any clue that was the case. And
Speaker 2: so just like just knowing that, I think it makes
Speaker 2: a difference for all. But just having the knowledge, right,
Speaker 2: you don't got the knowledge. You just don't know, right,
Speaker 2: Like you think all these schools.
Speaker 1: Like it's a college that's you know, and that's just
Speaker 1: kind of what you think.
Speaker 2: So I think, but I also think you know, and
Speaker 2: we'll move on before we get out of here. But
Speaker 2: I hope in all these rules that they're changing because
Speaker 2: they're figuring it out right, like the nil or four
Speaker 2: or five years old or something like that to transfer
Speaker 2: portal like there. I just feel like they're throwing shit
Speaker 2: out the wall and seeing what sticks. I hope that
Speaker 2: it ultimately can become a system like Europe where and
Speaker 2: when I say Europe, I mean European football in particular,
Speaker 2: where you come get a guy from the lower league,
Speaker 2: you got to pay that program two million dollars to
Speaker 2: get that player. You know, Yah, maybe it's not two
Speaker 2: million dollars like that's professional sports, it's PSG, it's real matry,
Speaker 2: like that's a different But maybe it's not. But to
Speaker 2: your point, them having to, hey you two hundred thousand
Speaker 2: dollars three hundred thousand.
Speaker 1: That makes a big difference difference. I hope to see that.
Speaker 2: And I think it's only fair that as this thing
Speaker 2: continues to come into effect and rules continue to change,
Speaker 2: that when you're getting these kids from these smaller schools,
Speaker 2: you gotta pay that smaller school how to get that
Speaker 2: school a chance you're going to come. You shouldn't just
Speaker 2: be able to free for all every year up that
Speaker 2: player had a good year and the come here like
Speaker 2: because I know you, and so I hope it gets
Speaker 2: to a point to where there's like a transfer fee,
Speaker 2: because this is no longer.
Speaker 1: Amateur sports. This is no longer you know you uh
Speaker 1: what they call college? It's so fake. I forget it.
Speaker 3: Hey, you want you want to hear some You want
Speaker 3: to hear some crazy. So you want to hear some
Speaker 3: crazy drake. So I will talk to the coach. I
Speaker 3: don't want to say the name because he told me
Speaker 3: it's a confidence till you're talking about nil, So answer
Speaker 3: the IMF. This happened to you. So in schools, some
Speaker 3: schools now, the schools are able to play the kids
Speaker 3: right now most of the schools now. But in some schools,
Speaker 3: you got a certain date, like say the date, it's
Speaker 3: like June thirty, right, that date is the only Like,
Speaker 3: if you don't spend that money that we're giving you
Speaker 3: the nil, then it goes away. So listen to this.
Speaker 3: So your dealer is two million a year, they've got
Speaker 3: to give you the two MILLI in June thirtieth when
Speaker 3: you get on campus. So you can leave my point
Speaker 3: exactly now you signed, but you don't cand they gotta
Speaker 3: give you off. They ain't giving it to you monthly
Speaker 3: first and fifteen two million dollars in your hand June.
Speaker 4: If that's a true story, what man, A coach told.
Speaker 1: You that, I money like that.
Speaker 3: My point is badly said. They had to use it
Speaker 3: because they would have went the way went away on
Speaker 3: that date.
Speaker 4: So they had to give it to them or they
Speaker 4: wouldn't have had Imagine that.
Speaker 3: What would you, man, I think college eighteen nineteen, twenty
Speaker 3: years old. You just give me two million dollars? Come on, man,
Speaker 3: that's it. Say that's what now?
Speaker 4: That's when you.
Speaker 3: Say they gonna have to make something, you know. But
Speaker 3: from the changes they just made created that though. Think
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 4: So really you didn't have it.
Speaker 3: You created another issue. Great because because of the new rule,
Speaker 3: that's what the school had to do.
Speaker 1: But I actually think the NCAA did that on purpose.
Speaker 2: Like I think the NCAA wanted to throw this whole
Speaker 2: thing and everyone's face like, boom, there you go, got it,
Speaker 2: let it blow up, and.
Speaker 4: Everybody, Yeah, that's what y'all want here.
Speaker 2: That's what that's what That's what I believe happened.
Speaker 1: But a couple of questions before we get out of here.
Speaker 2: I'm just talking about the NBA, uh number one, And
Speaker 2: I would love to know your answer to this question
Speaker 2: because of who you were in your career and that
Speaker 2: line you walked right of, like being an all star,
Speaker 2: being a guy who got it. But for the past
Speaker 2: few weeks, it's been this constant conversation about players that's
Speaker 2: a superstar or no, yeah, And so I think my
Speaker 2: question to you is, how would you describe a superstar?
Speaker 2: And NBA we all saw magic the other day, say
Speaker 2: a person who can go on the road and sell
Speaker 2: the building out.
Speaker 1: But how do you just wribe marketing?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 3: You know, I feel like, you know.
Speaker 4: Superstar is I'm talking about pure on the court.
Speaker 3: You know, that's that's he that's marketing, and that's that's
Speaker 3: just selling stuff. And you don't have to be a
Speaker 3: superstar to sales stuff.
Speaker 4: You got to just be marketable.
Speaker 3: But when you talk about a superstar, I'm talking about
Speaker 3: somebody that can galvanize a whole franchise. You get what
Speaker 3: I mean? Like Steph is a superstar. You know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, just this or or just off when that
Speaker 3: moment and just take step out of just what I'm
Speaker 3: just talking about. The superstar now just in any moment,
Speaker 3: understanding on how big that stage is and always able
Speaker 3: to step up into that spot of whatever it is
Speaker 3: that they do best on how they are a superstar.
Speaker 3: I feel like a superstar is someone that no matter
Speaker 3: what the opponent has in front of them, they can
Speaker 3: overcome it, no matter if they might get knocked down,
Speaker 3: they may got stopped in this series or this game,
Speaker 3: you know, but at the end of the day, he's
Speaker 3: going to figure that out.
Speaker 4: That's a star.
Speaker 3: You know. I'm a roll star, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So at the end of the day's moments where Shi
Speaker 3: I can't do nothing to night, I mean they only
Speaker 3: first of all our moments, i'd have had three good games.
Speaker 3: They got a scheme on me. They they they ain't
Speaker 3: really worried about Broun tonight. They feel like that we
Speaker 3: take MO out, then you know, let Broun get his
Speaker 3: forted to night. He ain't even really aggressive night anyway.
Speaker 3: Then I'm gonna just gonna struggle a little bit. It
Speaker 3: ain't nothing nothing I can do, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: They skin got me, but a superstar it ain't nothing
Speaker 3: you can do.
Speaker 4: You just gotta just hope.
Speaker 3: That they don't figure it out their game and they
Speaker 3: don't figure it out the series, and you know they
Speaker 3: just whatever you created, you know, it's just you know,
Speaker 3: obviously just kept them in a fum you know, just
Speaker 3: I take sixteen for his now for just that was
Speaker 3: kind of the first season where we were just kind
Speaker 3: of just our skyme report was any time Steph is around,
Speaker 3: you better not go buying what I touch. Hmm, Like
Speaker 3: every time you see him touch him boom and Jay
Speaker 3: y'all just happened to be in the screen with him
Speaker 3: the whole time. He just taking advantage, he leaning into it,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. So like that was something
Speaker 3: that we did. You know what I'm saying that that
Speaker 3: was in the scout work for That's something we talked about,
Speaker 3: you know, making sure we physical, making sure we hit them,
Speaker 3: making sure we hit them, making because he never.
Speaker 4: Wanted to switch, you know, so it was make him switch,
Speaker 4: hit him. You know. So when you understanding that, you
Speaker 4: look at stuff now, you.
Speaker 7: Can't do that to step today, You're not you know
Speaker 7: what I'm saying, the world, So how many so, how
Speaker 7: many superstars.
Speaker 2: Do you say are actually in the NBA, Because I
Speaker 2: think people get the superstar tacking.
Speaker 1: They not superstars.
Speaker 4: Yeah, hey listen, man, that's a.
Speaker 3: Small room dog, you know, bro, they don't. It ain't
Speaker 3: even no key to their room. Like you gotta like
Speaker 3: get it stamped on you and it just automatically open
Speaker 3: when you get there. You get what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 3: you talk about superstar, I mean, let's you know, obviously, bro,
Speaker 3: you got it obviously like that ain't even to talk about.
Speaker 3: I put step in that category obviously, y honest. And
Speaker 3: when I say, you honest in my opinion, because I
Speaker 3: don't give it damn many man, you can't this man.
Speaker 4: That's beyonest, you understand? Is za of what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It ain't no guarding him. It's just scheming for him
Speaker 3: and what we're gonna give him. What we're forcing him into,
Speaker 3: Like that's a sign of a superstar too. It's like, man,
Speaker 3: we finish go out here and guard him. We finished
Speaker 3: shut him down. Nah man, we forcing it into this
Speaker 3: right here all night long.
Speaker 1: If he go get.
Speaker 4: Forty right here, it is what it is.
Speaker 3: You know, I go to palls, man, because I can't
Speaker 3: just get it out like that. You know, all just
Speaker 3: wanted to be saying names. I mean Quai, I mean,
Speaker 3: oh that's that. I mean yeah, but you but you
Speaker 3: straddling when you get to you know, like he's a
Speaker 3: star like James Horning a star. He's like a really
Speaker 3: good star, you know, like man superstar. Like that's almost
Speaker 3: when you talk about superstar, you almost.
Speaker 4: Talking about Man.
Speaker 3: That's it's tricky man like legend stuff. Man, you're talking
Speaker 3: about AIS and like that's almost disrespectful to the AIS,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like, Man, I remember my
Speaker 3: second in the league. Man, I'll never forget that third
Speaker 3: year might have been my third year. Man, this is
Speaker 3: the year after because he won the championship, he won
Speaker 3: the MVP and O four. It's gotta be two thousand
Speaker 3: and five. Man, we're playing filling in Milwaukee, AI scoring
Speaker 3: champion the previous season, MVP, my first year starting, and
Speaker 3: on my second year start, we're playing in Milwauker.
Speaker 4: He first had.
Speaker 3: Fifteen points, make along so short first half? Fifteen points.
Speaker 3: We go to halftime, Uh, to your reporter to hype
Speaker 3: me up. They mothers don't help a job. Man over there,
Speaker 3: keep it up, you know, so so you coming out,
Speaker 3: so you come out the taller. I gotta walk come
Speaker 3: by taller, they taller. So he gotta go to this goal.
Speaker 3: We go to gold. We gotta walk by each other,
Speaker 3: so you know, walk about. I remember what coach said,
Speaker 3: and there I'm young. It's my third year. So walking
Speaker 3: by AI, hey, y'all walked out and said, see young
Speaker 3: fell out of sweated to look out.
Speaker 1: That's all all he said.
Speaker 4: There, Drake, that's all he said.
Speaker 3: But we never stopped.
Speaker 4: He said it as he walking by a young fellaw,
Speaker 4: I swe the look out.
Speaker 3: And we just know.
Speaker 1: I just add like a year, but I hear.
Speaker 3: He fitted the.
Speaker 4: Game fifty four. That's into you.
Speaker 1: The hair man.
Speaker 4: We walked by each other and said, a young fella,
Speaker 4: I sweated that lookout.
Speaker 3: It's over fifty four.
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3: That's super that's a true store, true store man.
Speaker 4: That's everybody that's that's a superstar.
Speaker 1: That's stuff.
Speaker 2: Carrying in front of Boston bench in twenty twenty two
Speaker 2: saying this y'all last winning this finals and that actually
Speaker 2: being your last win. Obviously that's a different thing. It's
Speaker 2: the NBA Finals. But only superstars can do that.
Speaker 4: We want to.
Speaker 2: I don't know if the story is true, but we
Speaker 2: once heard the story of Patrick Bradley saying you you
Speaker 2: have had the last five years.
Speaker 1: I got the next five years.
Speaker 2: Superstars can say that, but you have to be a
Speaker 2: superstar because you would have to be able to control
Speaker 2: so much.
Speaker 1: And only superstars.
Speaker 2: And by the way, when I say only superstars, like
Speaker 2: four to five of them, that's it.
Speaker 3: That's it. Like man, as much as I love k D,
Speaker 3: like much as I love KD like he's a star,
Speaker 3: like superstar, I'm not disrespecting you. But okay, I'm with you.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm gonna tell you why superstar because I'm
Speaker 2: gonna say, like superstar right here, and like KT.
Speaker 3: Like like to me, he like he like he like man,
Speaker 3: they ready to open the door for.
Speaker 4: You're gonna tell you y k is but you played
Speaker 4: with him.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you, y KD is a superstar.
Speaker 2: No matter where you place him, he can do the
Speaker 2: same exact thing. Okay, there, if he's on my team,
Speaker 2: your team, Lebron James team, uh Nicola Jolkish team, Stephen
Speaker 2: Curry team, right, he can do the same exact thing
Speaker 2: or no matter where he is that's all right.
Speaker 4: So now you you open it up a little bit. Now,
Speaker 4: so James Harden, has.
Speaker 2: He done the same exact thing anywhere else outside of Houston?
Speaker 3: KG. See that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's a superstar.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: When you say when you when we locked in O
Speaker 3: KD like a no brainer superstar, then that's when the
Speaker 3: KG when you start talking KG, the because KG, you
Speaker 3: get what I'm saying now, it's like they're no brainers.
Speaker 4: You get what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: When I when we were talking about like superstar like
Speaker 3: training saend it like.
Speaker 1: Like like.
Speaker 4: Not at least get get a little bit bigger.
Speaker 1: I see what you're saying.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Sure, get bigger. Now we
Speaker 3: ain't really you know, locked in on just kind of
Speaker 3: two qualities and we just open it up.
Speaker 4: It's just kind of like the bag.
Speaker 3: Then then you can start, you know, not not a
Speaker 3: Paul Pierce is coming question?
Speaker 1: All right, I like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: We go back, well, you get what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Paul Piers coming question.
Speaker 3: You know he like borderline almost you get what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: And we started to broaden it up a little bit.
Speaker 2: Definitely not in the category no disrespect to the truth.
Speaker 2: I think he is the truth.
Speaker 3: But but you get what I'm saying. But you're giving
Speaker 3: me too much exactly.
Speaker 1: I can't argue that one say no more. I can't
Speaker 1: argue that one respect.
Speaker 3: But but that's why that's a touch. That's why they's
Speaker 3: been a topic for a month or so now, because
Speaker 3: because because we respect people so much. Where I feel
Speaker 3: like Kg, I feel like Ais and As all them
Speaker 3: guys are superstar. But everybody like, how do you This
Speaker 3: all depends on how you categorize superstar. Well, some people
Speaker 3: it's like, nah, bro, it ain't number two up. Mike
Speaker 3: and Mike and Brown. That's it. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: Kobe ain't even there.
Speaker 4: I heard that.
Speaker 1: That's idiotic. You get what I'm saying, List, I follow you.
Speaker 3: That's just a broad I just broad and I and
Speaker 3: I and I take that back by KD because now
Speaker 3: the more I think about it, I just felt like
Speaker 3: I disrespected him.
Speaker 4: You feel me, So it's like, you know, you get
Speaker 4: what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: When you think about it, you know, it's like, okay,
Speaker 3: if you brought it up, k ne a no brain.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, he on the same level
Speaker 3: as Ai KG, because if they superstars, this is a
Speaker 3: no brainer for KD. But if you're saying, am they
Speaker 3: gotta be on Mike and bro Living, I'm like, real shield,
Speaker 3: it ain't number two of them, three of them.
Speaker 2: From a basketball perspective, KD and Alan Iverson are definitely
Speaker 2: on it.
Speaker 1: And kd's a two time champion.
Speaker 2: Right And by the way, I'm the biggest allan Irison
Speaker 2: fan shout out to the OG. Just had a birthday.
Speaker 2: Happy birthday to him again, Happy fiftieth. But from a
Speaker 2: basketball perspective, I feel like what KD bring to the
Speaker 2: game and what AI brought to the game is very similar.
Speaker 2: Where difference is AI changed the whole culture, and he
Speaker 2: changed the whole way of how we all look at
Speaker 2: the game, how we felt like we can act, how
Speaker 2: we thought we could dress, how he changed so many
Speaker 2: different things. And I think that's what makes AI a
Speaker 2: little different. But no, no, KD got the same effect
Speaker 2: though he does. KD got every nobody who's over six
Speaker 2: seven thinking we should dribblings.
Speaker 3: Because and how and how authentic he is. You give
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, how how one of the guys. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so I think he's he has an AI kind of feel,
Speaker 3: you know, from a superstar standpoint, You get what I mean.
Speaker 4: So the superstar that.
Speaker 3: Was in the league at that time with AI had
Speaker 3: they own persona. Now that the superstars in the league
Speaker 3: along with KD, the Brons, and the Steps, they got
Speaker 3: a whole different persona than KD. KD counted the AI
Speaker 3: of this group.
Speaker 1: Mm hm mm hmm.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: One thousand. I agree.
Speaker 2: My last question before we get out of here, and
Speaker 2: I think this is an interesting question for me.
Speaker 1: You played with Bron before he went to Miami. You
Speaker 1: also played with Bron after he left Miami.
Speaker 2: Was the what what was any difference that you've seen.
Speaker 3: And maturity, maturity, all the little things. Maturity is just older,
Speaker 3: you know, just doing things just you know, maturity. You know,
Speaker 3: the first time I was there, he did all the
Speaker 3: things he was doing when when he got back, but
Speaker 3: he was doing it better and he was doing it,
Speaker 3: you know, more precise. You know, he added he had
Speaker 3: to dial in, you know when they talk about you know,
Speaker 3: him taking care of his body. You know, he was
Speaker 3: doing that the first time. But when I got with
Speaker 3: him the second time. It was like clockwork.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I knew what times he was gonna be down. There's
Speaker 3: gonna be early morning when he's doing this. You know
Speaker 3: what time, how early he gets to the game. You
Speaker 3: know what he gonna he already gonna be there shoot
Speaker 3: around when we get there. You know, he gonna be
Speaker 3: at the gym before the first buss get there. You know,
Speaker 3: he getting a massage. Like I still remember hit that
Speaker 3: routine because I saw so much every single day and
Speaker 3: that was the difference I saw.
Speaker 4: And obviously that translated to the court.
Speaker 3: That's off him just playing games and getting older and
Speaker 3: just being better and being you know, one of the
Speaker 3: greatest players in his game just matured. He just everything
Speaker 3: got better. And obviously as he the second time.
Speaker 4: Rynd, He's shot the ball a whole lot better.
Speaker 3: I think that's a that's one of the biggest things
Speaker 3: that you know, that that part of his game kept
Speaker 3: going and obviously got to the point where yet, but
Speaker 3: just the maturity in this game, I'll say, just out
Speaker 3: the decision making, just being more sharper, just understanding spots
Speaker 3: on how to go get a bucket when he wanted to.
Speaker 3: I think he's always been a great feel for the game,
Speaker 3: and I think just.
Speaker 4: The development on the just going to get a bucket?
Speaker 3: You know, understand you know you you you understand the game.
Speaker 3: You know, you know guy that I can go get
Speaker 3: a bucket when I want to go get a bucket. And then,
Speaker 3: you know, some guys ain't really about that life. So
Speaker 3: it just depends on how they feel, on how they
Speaker 3: going that day, on how aggressive they don't be. You know,
Speaker 3: I thought, you know, so, I thought that part of
Speaker 3: the game where he needed to go get a bucket,
Speaker 3: he knew how to get to his spots and get
Speaker 3: an efficient shot that he knew he can make.
Speaker 2: That's fire man, Man. I appreciate you for coming on
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 1: I obviously want to wish you happy Father's Day.
Speaker 4: Absolutely sunning you out, man, It's crazy.
Speaker 3: I was laying down today and my wife is the house.
Speaker 3: I saw it then aggressive man foursday Sunday. She said, yeah,
Speaker 3: four and seven kids, I should know that.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I saw Ma's got a few offers.
Speaker 3: Huh he did, man? He bawling, Yeah, he balling, man,
Speaker 3: Now he bothered man about six three six folk. You know,
Speaker 3: point guard handling that thing. Got a good body. Now
Speaker 3: he's gonna be straight. And my and my other son
Speaker 3: is a freshman with me. So I got dad. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but you know my other one, the one you talking about,
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna seeing him. He getting some offers.
Speaker 4: So man, DePaul just called about in the day.
Speaker 3: So he got Washington, he got Louisi, and he probably
Speaker 3: the Mexico State about ten offers now, So been proud
Speaker 3: of man. Hey, man, I'm you know, I'm a proud dad. Man.
Speaker 3: That's right, that just got back from the NBA top
Speaker 3: wanted hunted camp with him. Man, man, it's a blessing. Man.
Speaker 3: I got one of my son that's on my staff.
Speaker 3: My oldest son is one of my assistant coaches coaching
Speaker 3: my son here a freshman.
Speaker 4: Then I got this.
Speaker 3: I'm about to be a senior in high school. That's
Speaker 3: gonna be to pick wherever you want to go. Oh, man,
Speaker 3: I bet I was in the NBA Chop one hundred camp.
Speaker 3: My one that's assistant coach was in their camp. My
Speaker 3: freshman that was in the camp last year.
Speaker 1: He was.
Speaker 3: So, man, I'm blessed. Man, Like I don't have no complaints.
Speaker 3: Now I got seven boys. Man, so I get to,
Speaker 3: you know, do this thing over and over again. That's
Speaker 3: why I'm in coaching, man, just to I love what
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 4: Man, I love what I do.
Speaker 3: I love where I'm at. I appreciate, I appreciate you
Speaker 3: guys like you know, guys like yourself. Man that you
Speaker 3: know the friendships that I created over my life. Man,
Speaker 3: and I just sit back.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: I don't do much man, you know, I just love
Speaker 3: what I do. I coach, be around my kids, man,
Speaker 3: sit on my akers know in Mississippi posted up, Man,
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 1: That's incredible.
Speaker 2: Bro. I'm happy for you. I was rooting like hell
Speaker 2: for y'all to get that one last game and get
Speaker 2: in that. But it's coming this year.
Speaker 3: It's definitely about God speed man.
Speaker 4: Everything. You know, everything for a reason is the reason
Speaker 4: I ain't win that part.
Speaker 1: But it's coming. It's definitely. I appreciate you, brother, Thank you.
Speaker 3: I appreciate you.
Speaker 2: I just want to mission again showing me how to
Speaker 2: take care of guys that come after me. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like what you did for me, I
Speaker 2: can never thank you enough. It showed me. It just
Speaker 2: showed me more. You know what I'm saying, it showed
Speaker 2: me what it could become for me, and then it
Speaker 2: also showed me what it needed to look like for
Speaker 2: the guys that come after me. And you ain't know
Speaker 2: me from a canap paiint, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Like I ain't grow up with somebody you brought up
Speaker 2: or in your neighborhood.
Speaker 1: You ain't know me from a canap paignt.
Speaker 2: You just saw a young dude in the NBA trying
Speaker 2: to make it and to take me in like that.
Speaker 1: I'll never forget it, and I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: And we're gonna have some more conversations about Jackson State
Speaker 2: because you know, I'm a proud Michigan State donor, no
Speaker 2: doubt tied all.
Speaker 1: Day, proud Michigan State donor.
Speaker 2: But and I got a lot of respect for what
Speaker 2: you're doing, and hearing that.
Speaker 1: Meant a lot to me.
Speaker 2: So I hope someone out there heard what I heard
Speaker 2: and feel how I feel and want to bring or
Speaker 2: help you know what I'm saying. It's hard to carry
Speaker 2: it off, but just to offer a helping hand. So
Speaker 2: we'll be chopping it up about that, for sure.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that. I appreciate it out man. It's all
Speaker 3: love man, Love you man. Appreciate you man, keep doing
Speaker 3: what you're doing.
Speaker 1: Appreciate you. Coming on all right, boy, it's sir. To
Speaker 1: the rest of y'all out there. That's a rap from
Speaker 1: this episode of The Draymond Green Show.
Speaker 2: We just had a legend on here, but like I said,
Speaker 2: even more than legend, somebody who cared about the next guys.
Speaker 1: Because that's what keep this thing going is.
Speaker 2: You know, you see the finished product, but you don't
Speaker 2: see the people going through it and the people that's
Speaker 2: offering a helping hand. The vets like vets is a
Speaker 2: missing thing in this league today, and I am a
Speaker 2: product of great vets.
Speaker 1: Jermaine O'Neill, David Lee, Andrew Bogan.
Speaker 2: Carl Landry, Richard Jefferson, Moe Williams, a guy who took
Speaker 2: me on this wing. I ain't play with you know,
Speaker 2: I'm a product of that soul. I always had an
Speaker 2: utmost appreciation for guys like that, and I'll always try
Speaker 2: to be that guy to the guys that come after me.
Speaker 2: And hopefully I can help like Mo help me, and
Speaker 2: we can continue this day roll so the fans get
Speaker 2: what they want till next time. That's a rap from
Speaker 2: this episode of The Draymond Green Show with Baron Davis.
Speaker 1: We'll see him next time. Peace,