Speaker 1: You have to earn the respect of the writers, for sure.
Speaker 1: I mean that was That's part of the whole thing.
Speaker 1: You know, If you just keep showing up and you
Speaker 1: keep putting yourself on leaterboards and you keep getting asked
Speaker 1: in the tent, eventually they start like asking serious questions
Speaker 1: and they care what you say, you know, And I
Speaker 1: think that's the same with the fans. I think it's
Speaker 1: unfortunate that people don't know some of these guys. But
Speaker 1: no one knows unless you're Tiger Woods and you have
Speaker 1: an ESPN sort of junior career, Like nobody knows who
Speaker 1: these kids are, so that you have to earn the
Speaker 1: respect of the writers. And then if you earn the
Speaker 1: affect of the writers and the TV, then you were
Speaker 1: in the respect of the fans and then off you go.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's the ruthless world, but I guess
Speaker 1: it's the meritocracy with the sport that we play with.
Speaker 1: Put another log on the fire what are here? Give
Speaker 1: it time? Hello, and welcome back to another Fire Drill podcast.
Speaker 1: It is deep into the first round here at the
Speaker 1: US Open. Sitting to my left is Michael Bamberger. To
Speaker 1: my right is Ryan French across the ocean is Jeff
Speaker 1: Ogilvie and quite an interesting first day. The late great
Speaker 1: Dan Jenkins used the word lurkers a lot. We're talking
Speaker 1: about first round leaderboard. There's certainly some unexpected names. We've
Speaker 1: got Rory Jt. We have Matt fitz Patrick, another world
Speaker 1: class player. Jeff, tell us what you think of this
Speaker 1: leaderboard and just first impressions of the first round. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, lakas is a pretty good word. I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess the first round of the US Open, you
Speaker 1: never work out who's gonna win, but you probably work
Speaker 1: out who isn't gonna win. Um, so you lose a
Speaker 1: few people that you may have thought that were a chance. Um,
Speaker 1: But most of the players that we expected played pretty well. Um.
Speaker 1: It's nice to say Rory have a good first round
Speaker 1: in a major. Um. He's obviously up and about. He's
Speaker 1: sort of pretty motivated at the moment. At same he's
Speaker 1: sort of as Johnty is he ever been and sort
Speaker 1: of seems pretty motivated and fired up to play well.
Speaker 1: So it's pretty cool to see him player first good
Speaker 1: first round because his first round scoring average and majors
Speaker 1: has been awful. The last quite a long time, so
Speaker 1: good to see and he's dangerous when he's up there
Speaker 1: at the front. J T looks like he's playing really
Speaker 1: really well. Um Fitzpatrick's back there again in the major
Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean, um interesting cours looks brutal. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a lot, there's quite a few guys under par
Speaker 1: but it does have that sort of they're not getting
Speaker 1: very far under power, and it does look like that
Speaker 1: sort of thing that they're just going to start gradually
Speaker 1: every day you're gonna have slightly less under power. And
Speaker 1: can anyone be there at the end of the week. Yeah, Bryan,
Speaker 1: you were out there tracking your guys and this is
Speaker 1: actually your dream leaderboard. Mr Monday q info. I mean
Speaker 1: the casual fan wants the stars. I know you love
Speaker 1: the unknown, so you must be enjoying this. Yeah. I enjoy.
Speaker 1: Not only do I enjoy the leaderboard, I enjoy all
Speaker 1: the report like this is my first time in the
Speaker 1: media center, and I enjoyed the disdain of all the
Speaker 1: all of all the things there. I have to tell
Speaker 1: a quick story, so uh, the reporter shell remain nameless.
Speaker 1: But behind me Eric Barnes, who's had a lot of
Speaker 1: publicity based off of a tweet and story I wrote.
Speaker 1: Um chipped in for Eagle, and a reporter behind me goes,
Speaker 1: I don't even know who that is, and the guys
Speaker 1: wrapped up his tour card on the corn Ferry tour
Speaker 1: like I mean, let's be better than that, You know
Speaker 1: what I mean. But this board is a perfect and
Speaker 1: I love that everyone else hates it. Well, I think
Speaker 1: you've diagnosed it accurately, which is a lot of reporters,
Speaker 1: just like a lot of fans, are a little bit lazy,
Speaker 1: and they don't want to have to make the effort
Speaker 1: they just wanted. They know the big names, and they
Speaker 1: know the their storylines and their struggles, and it requires
Speaker 1: investing a lot of time and effort into a bunch
Speaker 1: of these other people, and they don't want to make
Speaker 1: that effort. So I think your critique is accurate. It's
Speaker 1: really it's it's disdained because they have to work harder.
Speaker 1: Here is this is a semi serious, uh take? Is
Speaker 1: Hayden Buckley is a tour player, very good, had a
Speaker 1: good college career, played well. Today they bring him to
Speaker 1: the media center. It was me and Kevin Price, Okay,
Speaker 1: two people like they don't even I mean, I understand
Speaker 1: all of you guys have been through that nine percent
Speaker 1: of the time. Haydn Buckley is not gonna win the
Speaker 1: US Open, but I mean it's twenty ft away. So
Speaker 1: I ask the kid and like learned about his story.
Speaker 1: So on Sunday, if he does win, you already know it.
Speaker 1: I would chip in there and say it's it's Alan
Speaker 1: and Michael's fault. And there peers because they tell us
Speaker 1: that the only people worth watching they've been telling his
Speaker 1: fee is the only people worth watching in the top ten,
Speaker 1: top fifty in the world. That's I think what you're saying,
Speaker 1: the live tour is Alan and Michael's and everybody else's
Speaker 1: fault because they're saying, hey, we just need to have
Speaker 1: forty eight players and that's it. We can hear you.
Speaker 1: Guys were part of this podcast. You know that, right,
Speaker 1: I can hear you. Uh Well, my rebuttal to that was,
Speaker 1: let's see how Haydon Buckley does on Friday. Now, if
Speaker 1: you're still there, then name the bet then we'll see.
Speaker 1: Um we will name it after this podcast. Yeah, let
Speaker 1: me think of that. Michael. Well, welcome to the podcast, Michael. Yeah,
Speaker 1: until one quick a music something about that. Jeff, Jeffy
Speaker 1: wait too young for this. But my friend Mike Donald, Uh,
Speaker 1: he shot at first round. I think I've got it wrong.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say sixty four, but that can't be wrong
Speaker 1: at wingfoot and eighty four and Arnold was playing, and
Speaker 1: Big Jack and Tom Watson everybody, and he you know,
Speaker 1: he came in at six pm and the only person
Speaker 1: write him up was Tim Roseford and he wrote the
Speaker 1: hell out of it. Uh. And Tim Roosefort known for
Speaker 1: his hustle and his his curiosity. So kudos to Tim
Speaker 1: rosa four and you know, well, Jeff was tough. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Were you ever in this position? Where were you ever
Speaker 1: the guy? Uh? At some point in your career when
Speaker 1: you're starting out where like nobody was expecting you to
Speaker 1: have a maybe an Australian Opener or a major. Uh,
Speaker 1: well it wouldn't happen to Australia, I don't think. But
Speaker 1: you had a Thursday round that nobody was expecting and
Speaker 1: suddenly all eyes are on you. Were you in that
Speaker 1: position yourself? Every um future I lead I've shot sixty
Speaker 1: three or four in the first round at Callaway Gardens,
Speaker 1: the Old Southern Open, two thousand and one, UM, and
Speaker 1: that was my first year out there, but I've had
Speaker 1: a few good tournaments. It wasn't a surprise. That's the thing.
Speaker 1: You definitely feel when you're one of these guys, the
Speaker 1: the disrespect, I think from the general feeling of like,
Speaker 1: we have to talk to this guy, he's not going
Speaker 1: to be there at the end. You can feel that
Speaker 1: energy when you come in there when you're that guy,
Speaker 1: like it's I understand it, Like I completely understand it.
Speaker 1: Because you're all going to write stuff and you read
Speaker 1: it is gonna go who's this guy? You're not gonna
Speaker 1: write about him? Like I understand that, um thing. And
Speaker 1: you've stood up and probably listened to twenty five of
Speaker 1: the great the prima donnas get up there and pontificate
Speaker 1: about their things. So you're just done with those guys.
Speaker 1: But you definitely have that feeling when you're not one
Speaker 1: of those guys when you come in the media center
Speaker 1: that no one's really interested and they're just standing there
Speaker 1: because they're supposed to. You know, Um, you have to
Speaker 1: earn the respect of the writers for sure. I mean
Speaker 1: that was um, that's part of the whole you know,
Speaker 1: if you just keep showing up, and you keep putting
Speaker 1: yourself on later boards and you keep getting asked in
Speaker 1: the tent. Eventually they start like asking serious questions and
Speaker 1: they care what you say, you know, And I think
Speaker 1: that's the same with the fans. I think it's unfortunate
Speaker 1: that people don't know some of these guys. But no
Speaker 1: one knows unless you're Tiger Woods and you have an
Speaker 1: ESPN sort of junior career, Like nobody knows who these
Speaker 1: kids are, so that you have to earn the respect
Speaker 1: of the riders. And then if you earned affect of
Speaker 1: the riders and the TV, then you were in the
Speaker 1: respect of the fans and then off you go. You know,
Speaker 1: it's it's the ruthless world. But I guess it's the
Speaker 1: meritocracy with the sport that we play with. Interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this whole this whole podcast is gonna change my entire
Speaker 1: professional career. I'm going to those press conference. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: start writing these kids up. I feel bad like you
Speaker 1: guys have shamed you've shamed me. I mean, two people
Speaker 1: were there and there's no two bigger kaufnors in the
Speaker 1: world than Kevin Brice and myself, and but you must
Speaker 1: have been so happy because I'm sure your guys are
Speaker 1: familiar faces like that must have been a great sense
Speaker 1: of comfort that you were The two dews were a
Speaker 1: quick side note, Kevin using Kevin used the microphone to
Speaker 1: ask a question. It was my favorite part of the
Speaker 1: entire press conference is that there was only two people
Speaker 1: in the room and he used the microphone. Jeff, how's this?
Speaker 1: How's this golf course showing up on TV? It looks great.
Speaker 1: It looks like a very old school, traditional US Open?
Speaker 1: Done it? I mean, um, we had I don't know
Speaker 1: in the last decade, We've had a few different ones,
Speaker 1: you know. Um, but this looks yeah, old school US Open,
Speaker 1: as I said, the leaderboard, not necessarily the names, I
Speaker 1: mean the names, it looks pretty normal. Is normally, um,
Speaker 1: a few big names and a few that you haven't
Speaker 1: heard of an US Open, right, that's the nature of
Speaker 1: the field. Um it. Yeah, it looks kind of normal.
Speaker 1: Looks like it's going to be one of those ones
Speaker 1: that everyone sort of gradually drifts back and it's who
Speaker 1: hangs on, you know. It's got that feel about It
Speaker 1: looks like a grind. It looks like there's birdies out there,
Speaker 1: which they're usually or they can often be in that
Speaker 1: traditional US Open Thursday. I'm sure it'll get tougher every day,
Speaker 1: doesn't I don't think there's any rain in the forecast,
Speaker 1: so it's going to get as firm as they wanted
Speaker 1: to get. It's um hopefully stays within the realm of
Speaker 1: like sensible, you know, but it looks great right now.
Speaker 1: It's kind of it looks like a perfect US Open
Speaker 1: from afar watching it on to you day at this point. Well,
Speaker 1: and today was overcast and almost a little cool, and
Speaker 1: that obviously is going to keep some moisture in the course.
Speaker 1: But tomorrow high eighties and it's going to be by
Speaker 1: far the hottest day of the week. People. You know,
Speaker 1: the players talk about how a course can change from
Speaker 1: day to day, but I think the casual fan has
Speaker 1: trouble really understanding that. Jeff, can you talk about how
Speaker 1: much of course can evolve in just twenty four hours
Speaker 1: and if you have an extreme example of that? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, um, firstly, the grains, I mean the grains
Speaker 1: are so stressed. Well well, well, I mean firstly, the weather,
Speaker 1: like you say, overcast, not much wind, it's a very
Speaker 1: it's a nice temperature. It's a great sort of environment
Speaker 1: to play golf, and sun comes out, a little bit
Speaker 1: of wind looked like it looks what happens this afternoon.
Speaker 1: It's just there's another element to the thing, to the
Speaker 1: the ball flight changes a little bit when the temperature
Speaker 1: warms up. The wind obviously adds sort of an element
Speaker 1: of difficulty. Um greens gradually generally firm up during the
Speaker 1: day because the irrigation, if they are putting any water
Speaker 1: on the greens at night, it doesn't go on after
Speaker 1: the first group or from after about five in the morning,
Speaker 1: so naturally it's just sort of evaporates and dries out
Speaker 1: during the day, so they're at their firmness at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, so you can see it change
Speaker 1: in front of you. And a normal PGA two, of course,
Speaker 1: is a relatively docile set up, I would say, compared
Speaker 1: to these things. It's not pushing the course to its
Speaker 1: absolute limit. But when you push green, especially greens and fairways,
Speaker 1: you're cutting them really short and you're pushing them to
Speaker 1: their limit. They are right on the edge. So they die.
Speaker 1: They're they're on the edge of dying really quickly. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're not dying but they feel like that because it's
Speaker 1: just a lack of water there and the leaf sort
Speaker 1: of dries out and it's um. It can really change
Speaker 1: from morning group to afternoon group, and then day to
Speaker 1: day even it's even more so. You know, it's like
Speaker 1: it feels like Thursday, it takes still after lunch for
Speaker 1: it to start getting sort of unchy and hard, and
Speaker 1: then Friday it's eleven o'clock and Thursday it's a little
Speaker 1: bit earlier. It seems to happen a little bit earlier
Speaker 1: every day in these u s opens and then Sunday
Speaker 1: it's just like brutal from the first group, you know,
Speaker 1: which is how they like it. And I think that's
Speaker 1: how these Great Championship should be. I think you're trying
Speaker 1: to sort the week from the chaff, and you're trying
Speaker 1: to get the creamed to rise to the top. And
Speaker 1: I think that the firmer and more sort of krusty
Speaker 1: golf course gets towards the end. You do that, you know.
Speaker 1: The most extreme thing, I think Pebble Beach when um
Speaker 1: Gary Woodland one when was at ten nineteen no the
Speaker 1: one before that, then umah Dald two, thous Gray mcdowal
Speaker 1: the Graam mcdowe was incredible. I mean, the pebbles always
Speaker 1: sort of cloudy in the morning and carmel as you
Speaker 1: know Alan, and then at some point every day that
Speaker 1: week the sun would come out and they have those
Speaker 1: power greens out there, and there's apparently there's multiple varieties
Speaker 1: of that grass in those greens which you can't tell
Speaker 1: when the sun was out, and they were perfect in
Speaker 1: the morning, but as soon as the sun came out,
Speaker 1: there was one particular variety of that grass. It just
Speaker 1: laid down and went brown, and so you had all
Speaker 1: these like low bits and high bits, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, just like ten minutes after the sun came out,
Speaker 1: the greens completely changed and they were almost unpossible, and
Speaker 1: then the morning they were fantastic until the sun came out.
Speaker 1: So um, that one was the most extreme change absolutely.
Speaker 1: But I mean when fort the wing Foot, the year
Speaker 1: i won the morning group to the afternoon group, putting
Speaker 1: on the greens was incredibly My afternoon round on Thursday
Speaker 1: was just outrageously difficult to put on, and then morning
Speaker 1: on Friday they were like Christine and perfect. So when
Speaker 1: you get these stressed out on the edge greens, they
Speaker 1: just take footprints harder, they just take where harder, and
Speaker 1: they just get sort of the moisture goes out and
Speaker 1: by the end of the day and they get that
Speaker 1: sort of shiny look where people are stepping and stuff,
Speaker 1: and they can deteriorate in front of your eyes. Actually,
Speaker 1: and I'm not trying to say that's a bad thing,
Speaker 1: as I said, I think that's a really good thing, um,
Speaker 1: because you're trying to sort out the men from the boys,
Speaker 1: and usually the good part of the whole parts in
Speaker 1: those situations stuff. But yeah, it does incredible the difference
Speaker 1: from Thursday morning the Sunday afternoon and the US Open
Speaker 1: and a normal, traditional good weather US Open. It's amazing
Speaker 1: the difference. And to your point about about Pebble being,
Speaker 1: you know, its own micro clemate as they always say
Speaker 1: they're in ninety two, the same thing happened when Tom
Speaker 1: Kite one and people are congratulating Calm Montgomery and winning,
Speaker 1: and I don't recall what it was, but a monsoon
Speaker 1: of wind came in, if there is such a phrase,
Speaker 1: it was it was a totally different golf course and
Speaker 1: was hanging on for dear life, for for for everybody.
Speaker 1: And that's part of the greatness of the Open Championship.
Speaker 1: But you know, the day is so long, everybody's playing
Speaker 1: off the first tea, and you know, as it's it's
Speaker 1: said every year, you know where you are in the
Speaker 1: drawshet Thursday Friday will often affect where you are Sunday afternoon.
Speaker 1: If you're even playing by Sunday afternoon. Well, you say,
Speaker 1: that's the greatness that watching this about the Open chev
Speaker 1: If you're a player that's sort of you get very
Speaker 1: unlucky in the Open Championsip. It turns you know, as
Speaker 1: you are, you get a little jaded. If you get
Speaker 1: a couple of bad opens in a row, would you
Speaker 1: have a two? Would you have? You're right? But if
Speaker 1: you run the RNA, would you have a two tea
Speaker 1: start for for the Open Championship? You know what I
Speaker 1: mean now that I'm ah, I don't know. I mean
Speaker 1: I think, look, great players when they open, generally the
Speaker 1: right player wins and the right players are up there.
Speaker 1: It works out in the long run, right, And if
Speaker 1: you get a couple of randoms, you get a cup
Speaker 1: of randoms. I mean, Louis, you had the dreamy drawer
Speaker 1: the old course in OH five, was I mean, you
Speaker 1: just had an incredible draw, but like history has proven
Speaker 1: that he was the right winner, you know. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: it sucks when you get the bad draw, but it's
Speaker 1: it's just part of that tournament. It's just it's it's
Speaker 1: part of what gives it that tournament. It's quirk if
Speaker 1: you like. But it would be so different think about
Speaker 1: the links courses like like maybe like Troon where all
Speaker 1: the holes go in one direction on the front and
Speaker 1: a different direction on the back. If you started on ten,
Speaker 1: it's such a different rhythm and a different experience you're
Speaker 1: preaching to the converter. I would never want to change
Speaker 1: anything about the Open, you know. And it's so interesting
Speaker 1: how different the philosophies are. And you know, Jeff, as
Speaker 1: you've gotten to know U. S J people over there
Speaker 1: and wondering if you can speak to this by once
Speaker 1: heard Mike Davis say in an unguarded moment, I can
Speaker 1: have any winning score I want. And I'm just wondering, Joe,
Speaker 1: how do they feel about two eighty Do they have
Speaker 1: some special relationship with that number of the U s
Speaker 1: J people. Do you have a sense of that. They
Speaker 1: certainly seem to have a preoccupation with par like what
Speaker 1: is part? They want to make part a very valuable thing,
Speaker 1: make it very difficult to shoot even part for the week.
Speaker 1: They don't seem to like us making birdies too much.
Speaker 1: Um yeah, I like and I think that's great at
Speaker 1: most courses, at a course at the country club, obviously
Speaker 1: you can set it up sensibly and have that sort
Speaker 1: of score shot. Sometimes you go to places that you
Speaker 1: have to get really a bit out of control to
Speaker 1: get people to shoot that score. And I think that's
Speaker 1: ellier then when I think when good when really really
Speaker 1: good shots are getting punished and making bogs and doubles,
Speaker 1: I don't like it, you know, I just don't think
Speaker 1: that's right. But generally, and I'm not out there this week,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure a couple of the boys who have
Speaker 1: had some high numbers might disagree, but it looks like
Speaker 1: if you play well, you'll have a reasonable score. And
Speaker 1: I think I don't think any player can have a
Speaker 1: real fair complaint that if you're hitting good shots, they're
Speaker 1: getting kind of rewarded. You a really good shots that
Speaker 1: should be really good shots. Um. But if you get
Speaker 1: good shots all week, you should get rewarded. If you're
Speaker 1: good shots and get punished, which happens. It's happened a
Speaker 1: few times. We've seen that that's a bit over the top.
Speaker 1: Um So I think they're a little probably too preoccupied
Speaker 1: with the score we shoot. But for the most part,
Speaker 1: they do a reasonable job at it. I think just
Speaker 1: sometimes you go to these historic golf clubs that have
Speaker 1: these reputations, and I feel sometimes the club has such
Speaker 1: a such a sort of an ego issue with anyone
Speaker 1: shooting underpar. That has to be hard. Oak mots hard,
Speaker 1: so we have to make it harder than it's ever
Speaker 1: been before, and jocks hard, so it's gonna be harder
Speaker 1: than it's ever been before. I think when you go
Speaker 1: to these new venues that don't have that history, I
Speaker 1: think the us j I end up getting to set
Speaker 1: it up kind of how they want. But I think
Speaker 1: when you go to these traditional venues, I think sometimes
Speaker 1: there's some kick back from the club to make sure
Speaker 1: that it's actually hard enough. Yeah, the commentary and when
Speaker 1: Bryson won at Wingfoot was hilarious, like on Twitter, Oh,
Speaker 1: say your prayer for the Wingfoot members, you know, because
Speaker 1: the scores were low and he was kind of taking
Speaker 1: apart the golf course. But um, anyway that that's an
Speaker 1: interesting discussion. Just you want to add, but just you know,
Speaker 1: it's so nice to come here and see just a
Speaker 1: proper golf course. And just to your point, Jeff, I
Speaker 1: remember two US Opens, particularly um Pinehurst the year that
Speaker 1: Michael Campbell won and Marrying the Earth that justin Rose one.
Speaker 1: The moment you arrived and looked at the golf course,
Speaker 1: it's like, this is not what the golf you were both,
Speaker 1: weren't you, Jeff, Just to my eye, having been there
Speaker 1: under normal conditions a lot over the years, the golf
Speaker 1: course didn't look like it's supposed to look like like
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know how else to word.
Speaker 1: It just didn't look the golf course. It looked like
Speaker 1: they had manipulated the golf course to make two eighty
Speaker 1: or something right around there the winning score. And I
Speaker 1: don't think that's I think it's a shame. Really, we've
Speaker 1: evolved as golfers. I mean it's we're using metal woods
Speaker 1: and better balls and better equipment and everything is better.
Speaker 1: And it's like you go play Marian where there really
Speaker 1: isn't much room to make it much bigger Um, we're
Speaker 1: going to shoot lower. We just are. That's just just
Speaker 1: the nature of sport. I mean, like we wouldn't watch
Speaker 1: the hundred meters of the Olympics if they weren't getting
Speaker 1: faster every time, you know. Like, I know it's a
Speaker 1: little different in Gulf, but um, when you have to
Speaker 1: manipulate a course to force a score, you're right. I mean,
Speaker 1: Marian just got a bit narrow. I thought it was
Speaker 1: a fantastic open, but I just got a bit narrow
Speaker 1: because it was just they were a bit scared because
Speaker 1: it felt a bit small. You know. Um that year
Speaker 1: with Michael Campbell's was way too narrow, and I mean
Speaker 1: just like little alleyways. It just didn't look really like
Speaker 1: a like like like a proper golf course. Do you
Speaker 1: do you think, Jeff, the extra old factors influences how
Speaker 1: the us j would set up of course. For instance,
Speaker 1: I think the last thing the usg would need right now,
Speaker 1: with everything going on in the political landscape of golf,
Speaker 1: is for their setup of their course to become the story.
Speaker 1: Do you think they would go out of the way
Speaker 1: to make sure that doesn't happen. No, I don't know.
Speaker 1: They generally seem to go out of their way to
Speaker 1: make sure that does happen. Um, so that would be
Speaker 1: against tradition. Um, I don't know. Obviously, they want to
Speaker 1: really really good positive like, wow, how good is the
Speaker 1: US Open? How good is the U s g A.
Speaker 1: Look at this, The traditions of the game are great.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's coincidental or ironic or really handy that
Speaker 1: it's maybe the oldest golf club that we play golf
Speaker 1: tournaments out. It's one of the most historic venues. It's like, um,
Speaker 1: one of the founding clubs of the U s g
Speaker 1: A at this sort of time when golf sort of
Speaker 1: doing what it's doing. So, um, it's good timing for
Speaker 1: the U. S g A. And it looks like they've
Speaker 1: nailed it, I mean, got three days to go. But um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think they would have been conscious about let's just
Speaker 1: let's fingers cross, we can make this just a great
Speaker 1: attractive US Open, that it just gets everyone excited about
Speaker 1: the traditions of golf and how good the US Open
Speaker 1: is right well, And I mean the class example is
Speaker 1: they screw up Shinnikock and oh for the club almost
Speaker 1: never wants to come back. They finally get to go
Speaker 1: back in in eighteen to prove they can do it right,
Speaker 1: and they have another controversy there and there's some pin
Speaker 1: you know, places positions were on the edge, and like,
Speaker 1: well it was warmer and windier than we thought. You're
Speaker 1: right by the ocean. It's always windy in the afternoon.
Speaker 1: Like it was so absurd. But so Ryan, let me
Speaker 1: get your take on just the feeling on the grounds
Speaker 1: out there. You know, first round, there's uh, did you
Speaker 1: what did you see? What did you hear? And what
Speaker 1: was kind of just the feeling for and what's it
Speaker 1: like to be at a US open for you Yeah,
Speaker 1: when it really counts now, Yeah, I mean it was.
Speaker 1: It's awesome. It is awesome. But I was, I mean
Speaker 1: it's pretty subdued out there today. I mean part of
Speaker 1: that is, I think it's not a rate spectator course,
Speaker 1: so a lot of you know, there's not a lot
Speaker 1: of big, huge grandstands. There's when people are standing around
Speaker 1: the green, it's six or seven deep, so they're they're
Speaker 1: not seeing the shots. But so I was, I mean, considering,
Speaker 1: I know, it will get more rowdy as we go
Speaker 1: and people start to separate themselves and everybody starts to
Speaker 1: take divisions and all those, but I was a little
Speaker 1: disappointed with the atmosphere if I mean, obviously I'm following
Speaker 1: people were, you know, out of the the main part
Speaker 1: of the draw, but there was not like a lot
Speaker 1: of roars. There wasn't a lot of yelling out. It
Speaker 1: was it's kind of subdued in my opinion. I totally agree.
Speaker 1: And I was following Rory on his back nine. Who
Speaker 1: as you come from the Irish Island, you're playing in Boston,
Speaker 1: you're you're already gonna have fans and he's Rory Mocroy.
Speaker 1: Everyone loves him and he was leading the tournament and
Speaker 1: it was actually a little quiet. I mean, the grandstands
Speaker 1: are small and some of them were only half full.
Speaker 1: There's because as other are like Culton, other were men
Speaker 1: of the people, were not coastal elites. We didn't go
Speaker 1: inside the ropes and we were just walking with the
Speaker 1: fans and it's messy, like there are a lot of
Speaker 1: choke points were used to be inside the ropes, so
Speaker 1: we got stranded a half dozen times in the wrong plays.
Speaker 1: And hats off to the golf fans because it is
Speaker 1: a really challenging course and if you get on the
Speaker 1: wrong side of the green or a fairway. You can't
Speaker 1: see anything, and it's hard to get here. It's hard, well,
Speaker 1: it's really hard to get here. Like as you know,
Speaker 1: Pebble Beach is not easy. Pine, It's not easy, but
Speaker 1: this one seems particularly difficult. And I mean I don't go.
Speaker 1: You know, I've gone to a lot of PGA Tour
Speaker 1: events in my over my life, but it's been a
Speaker 1: like I go to offense with none. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of dead ends. Like somehow I get up to the
Speaker 1: thing and I'm like, oh, I just want to go
Speaker 1: to the green. No I had inside the ropes. Humble
Speaker 1: bragging again, but uh, like there's a lot of dead ends.
Speaker 1: I was walking with uh Luke Annon's wife today and
Speaker 1: where and she had outside, you know, just a regular
Speaker 1: thing and like you'd walk up in this so they
Speaker 1: didn't have to cross over. I mean again, credit to
Speaker 1: people who actually really try to follow people instead of
Speaker 1: just sit at a green and wait for people to
Speaker 1: come to them. Yeah, it's it's a tough here, but
Speaker 1: there is hope because my warriors are going to beat
Speaker 1: the Celtics to night. There's gonna be a lot of
Speaker 1: grouchy Bostonians tomorrow. I think they'll bring a different edge
Speaker 1: to the spectating tomorrow. But Ryan, to your point, I'd
Speaker 1: like to ask this of Jeff. I have never thought
Speaker 1: of the US Open as an I don't really think
Speaker 1: of any professional golf is as entertainment at all. I
Speaker 1: think of him athletic endeavors. But of all the majors,
Speaker 1: and of all tournament golf, this one is the least entertaining.
Speaker 1: It's not meant to be entertaining. It's you know, it's
Speaker 1: been said a million times. It is a war of attrition.
Speaker 1: It is a you know, a test of mental strength,
Speaker 1: and a lot of other things. And so to your right,
Speaker 1: trying to your to your point, like, I kind of
Speaker 1: like that. I mean, there's sort of something slow and
Speaker 1: boring and methodical about a US Open. I've always enjoyed
Speaker 1: that at U s Opens, even though it's not entertaining.
Speaker 1: But I don't know, Jeff, you have a feeling about
Speaker 1: what we're trying to talk about her, Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 1: I mean, Um, I can't really speak. I've never been
Speaker 1: to US Open, not playing, so I can only speak
Speaker 1: from inside. Um. And they all vary, they're all different,
Speaker 1: you know about a humble bread. I think I think
Speaker 1: he's just standing the facts. Like I got to use
Speaker 1: opens to playing them masters. I asked, Jeff, if you've
Speaker 1: ever gone over and played, you know, Palmetto. He's like, no, Termine,
Speaker 1: we I just play Augusta. Nashvill's like, oh yeah, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: my bad. I'm sorry, And that's a good course. But
Speaker 1: Palmetto is good too, anyway, continued Jeff Um. I think generally,
Speaker 1: I think sometimes in new as opens, the the fans
Speaker 1: and the spectators aren't really sure what to make of
Speaker 1: what's going on out there. I think it's really difficult
Speaker 1: to have a sense because to to probably the average
Speaker 1: fan who's not really in tune with PJ tour events
Speaker 1: and doesn't go to a lot of them, from the
Speaker 1: side of the fairway, it probably looks the same as
Speaker 1: every other thing. They think what we what pros do
Speaker 1: is miraculous anyway, the way they play, so they're just
Speaker 1: happy to see it. They're probably I think sometimes in
Speaker 1: the US Open it takes the spectators a while to
Speaker 1: work out what a good shot actually is, um and
Speaker 1: what a good score actually is, because it's so different
Speaker 1: from what they say or these guys are making bogies
Speaker 1: and hitting at the forty two putting like it's not
Speaker 1: really like you're in the desert or at a normal
Speaker 1: PJ Tour event. Right. So, I think as the week
Speaker 1: goes on, generally, the respect for so those great up
Speaker 1: and downs and the respect for the the fore iron
Speaker 1: that goes to thirty ft, it's there because it's been
Speaker 1: earned during the week. But I think it takes a
Speaker 1: while for the fan to get educated about what good
Speaker 1: golf is out of the U S Open, because it's
Speaker 1: so different. That is a very good point. Today I
Speaker 1: was following lukein and there were some people, uh, just
Speaker 1: around the green that he was. He shortsighted himself. He
Speaker 1: was in the back of the bunker. Was I mean impossible.
Speaker 1: Given a hundred balls, he couldn't have kept it within
Speaker 1: seven feet and he kept it in seven ft within
Speaker 1: seven feet. I mean even he like laughed when he
Speaker 1: got you know, the kind of shot when you get
Speaker 1: out of the bunk and you're like, Okay, that was ridiculous,
Speaker 1: never do again. And the guys behind them go, now,
Speaker 1: I know why he's in the last group. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, that was probably Tiger Woods would have
Speaker 1: been excited about that show. Yeah. To Jeff's point, I mean,
Speaker 1: if if you you know you've got a crumby line
Speaker 1: the first cut, and you chase a hooded six iron
Speaker 1: right up the middle and run some of the green,
Speaker 1: you got forty ft two put that's great golf. But
Speaker 1: it's not entertaining. But if you know something about golf, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's good. It's fun. It's not fun fun, but it's
Speaker 1: interesting fun. And it's true because when I was out
Speaker 1: there playing in a parallel fairway to Rory was a
Speaker 1: guy I didn't recognize him by sight. I mean, I qualifier,
Speaker 1: he's probably hasn't made his way in the world of
Speaker 1: golf yet, and he kind of fooled one out of
Speaker 1: the rough, didn't go very far, and you get the
Speaker 1: fans like, oh yeah, it was almost a sense of embarrassment,
Speaker 1: like this guy is not a very good golfer. But
Speaker 1: in reality, that's just the US Open. He had a
Speaker 1: horrendous lie. He did the best he could. But there's
Speaker 1: definitely as a golf fan, you see shots you're not
Speaker 1: gonna see any other time all year long, where guys
Speaker 1: just getting kicked in the teeth, and but it does,
Speaker 1: it does subdue them, like oh damn, yes, yeah, and
Speaker 1: so I get it. Um, all from when you watched
Speaker 1: on TV today, you probably saw someone Rory. He seems
Speaker 1: tighter than he used to be, like like the bad shots,
Speaker 1: frustrated more than they used to just in terms of
Speaker 1: how he physically responds to them and the good shots.
Speaker 1: He seems like, well, you know, that's what I'm supposed
Speaker 1: to do. It just looks a little different than he
Speaker 1: used to do. You ever thought about that, man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's trying to save the PGA tour. It's a lot
Speaker 1: of heavy burden, heavy burden. Yeah, I like it. I
Speaker 1: thought it was great. I thought it was great. I
Speaker 1: thought Rory looks like he actually really wants to win. Um,
Speaker 1: he sometimes looks, well, I don't know, every everybody has
Speaker 1: different looks, right, And he's had a career of just
Speaker 1: being jaunty and happy and taking it all in his stride.
Speaker 1: But um, he really really really wants to win this.
Speaker 1: You can tell, like you beat the bunker up a
Speaker 1: little bit there on that one hole, and Um, to
Speaker 1: your point, he looked different. It was more tiger like.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, um, just he is into this
Speaker 1: more than we've seen him into it for a while.
Speaker 1: I mean, last week, you've got a feeling that was
Speaker 1: one of his favorite wins. Obviously he just loved that.
Speaker 1: It was like a bit of a stamp. I look,
Speaker 1: I'm actually the best player, come on, guys, Like, what
Speaker 1: are you guys talking about? Um? And it seems like
Speaker 1: he's got a real sort of fire and his belly
Speaker 1: at the moment. And I think that's a good sign
Speaker 1: for Rory. I think a lot of players, I mean,
Speaker 1: Doctor Teller and all that. They all might tell me
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, but there's a lot of players that seem
Speaker 1: to be better when they're just on edge a little bit,
Speaker 1: you know, like there's just sort of a bit of
Speaker 1: a fire and as long as you can control it
Speaker 1: and it doesn't affect your next shot. I kind of
Speaker 1: enjoyed saying that from Rory. I think he'd be better
Speaker 1: to be a little bit more into it more often,
Speaker 1: you know, Jeff, You know, of course that Augusta they
Speaker 1: have that Tuose night dinner and they all talk about
Speaker 1: their former Masters wins. Have you ever had a conversation
Speaker 1: with Rory, with Tiger, with any former US Open winner
Speaker 1: where like you could see, Oh, there's we're on the
Speaker 1: same wavelength here. There's something that we both understand in
Speaker 1: about what how are you when a US Open and
Speaker 1: what it means when are you US Open that you
Speaker 1: would have been privy to that you know another golfer
Speaker 1: might not have been there. Certainly is an understanding or
Speaker 1: a feeling. I mean in nineteen last time we were
Speaker 1: at Pebble, we had the reunion again where everyone was
Speaker 1: there everyone, I think a except a couple, um, the
Speaker 1: alive US Open champions. We have a dinner and take
Speaker 1: a photo and it was a fantastic It's a fantastic occasion.
Speaker 1: We all played a lot of US played Cyprus that week,
Speaker 1: so again another humble brag, but um, you do. There
Speaker 1: is sort of a I don't think it's necessarily just
Speaker 1: exclusive to US Open champions, but those who have sort
Speaker 1: of won those big tournaments, there is sort of this
Speaker 1: not unsaid, but this feeling of respect for the people
Speaker 1: that you're talking to about the game, and when maybe
Speaker 1: in the locker room sometimes when everyone starts talking, you
Speaker 1: might tune out a little bit, but you don't tune
Speaker 1: out when you're listening to guys like that. I mean
Speaker 1: even like Scott Simpson and Andy North starts talking and
Speaker 1: these guys you just listen to strange. You just you
Speaker 1: just listen, and there is this sort of feeling of
Speaker 1: just deep respect for these guys that they've done that
Speaker 1: and they've been through. They went through that what I
Speaker 1: went through, and they came through. And that's um, I think,
Speaker 1: you know, because you know how hard it is that
Speaker 1: you give the ultimate respect to those who do it.
Speaker 1: I'm sure the green jacket, the green coat, whinners, it's
Speaker 1: the masters are the same, you know, they have the
Speaker 1: same sort of thing amongst themselves. Um, but yeah, there
Speaker 1: is a level of respect for guys who have won
Speaker 1: this tournament. That's ah. Yeah, I don't know what do
Speaker 1: you call it the brocade or something, but it's yeah,
Speaker 1: it's nice. It's nicety, humble brag about that day at
Speaker 1: Surper's Point. Happen to be there as a as a spectator,
Speaker 1: and Lee Trevino showed up without clubs, looking tired and said,
Speaker 1: Mr Trevino, can I get you a cup of coffee?
Speaker 1: He said that would be great, and I got a
Speaker 1: cup of coffee and he was happy. I love it.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's Also, it warms my heart that you're mentioning,
Speaker 1: mentioning Andy Bean, like I haven't heard that name a
Speaker 1: long time. But the the the respect that Jeff has
Speaker 1: for someone who's been in the arena like that, that's
Speaker 1: just cool. And being Randy North, well, he said Andy North,
Speaker 1: but I have an Andy Bean story, so he said
Speaker 1: Andy North. He's you know, you know, I was checking
Speaker 1: the scores out my phone. Apolo, do you know you
Speaker 1: know what Jeff? We mentioned Andy North in this context
Speaker 1: because he wants to us open this. Yeah, I do know,
Speaker 1: Andy North. My apologies got across and thing was Bermuda
Speaker 1: grass greens. We all know that Andy Bean. I was
Speaker 1: like nine years old. I don't remember this story, but
Speaker 1: my dad tells it a lot until he can't remember
Speaker 1: anything anymore. But we're at the eighty six. Uh, I
Speaker 1: think it was eighty six Oakland Hills and Andy Bean,
Speaker 1: Uh eighty five, Okay, I was eight years old. Andy
Speaker 1: Bean hits a shot into the green and it like
Speaker 1: slowly trickles off the false front all the way down
Speaker 1: to the bottom, and uh, he gives the finger to
Speaker 1: the green and my dad yells at him, there's kids
Speaker 1: out here, and Andy Bean turned around and says, fuck
Speaker 1: you wow that I mean, So, that's the beauty of
Speaker 1: the US Open right there. That would have happened at
Speaker 1: the Bob Hope Classic. Right like that. You want to
Speaker 1: push the players to the breaking point. That's the whole
Speaker 1: that's the whole purpose of this tournament. So that is
Speaker 1: a glaring example, Um, any anyone else on the leaderboard
Speaker 1: that we should discuss. Don't you have a like? You're
Speaker 1: the only person on the planet with like an A
Speaker 1: plus David Lingmouth story, Mark Baldwin, I'm kidding from Mark Baldwin.
Speaker 1: We're the first alternative at a corn Fairy event in
Speaker 1: Vegas and Matt Every withdress. Thank you Matt Every and uh,
Speaker 1: we get in a group with Eric Compton, who is
Speaker 1: very slow, and David Lingmerth, who is as slow, and
Speaker 1: so we're on the clock most of the day and
Speaker 1: Mark is not very slowly. It's methodical, but not slow.
Speaker 1: And between every hole a different player would walk with us.
Speaker 1: So when we were walking with Compton, he would say, God,
Speaker 1: David Lingmerth is so fucking slow. He's terrible. I can't
Speaker 1: believe it. I can't play like this. And then the
Speaker 1: next hole we'd be walking with Lingmerth, and Lingmerth would
Speaker 1: say that comptony is terribly slow. I can't believe it.
Speaker 1: And they got into a somewhat heated uh discussion in
Speaker 1: the in the scoring area, and uh, that's my David
Speaker 1: lingmer story. I like it. That's a good one. UM.
Speaker 1: A couple of names we this, This came up in
Speaker 1: our in our thread, so I'll do this just some
Speaker 1: mark coach doesn't yell at us the UM. The US
Speaker 1: amateur amateur champ UM James Piatt, who has turned professional
Speaker 1: and taken the live money, is playing here as a
Speaker 1: US amateur, which is awkward scenario for the U s
Speaker 1: J is probably the worst night where that he were
Speaker 1: to win. UM. And then you have Stuart Haggisted, who
Speaker 1: is you know, cocktail circuit legend. He was on the
Speaker 1: board for a long time. And actually someone poses the
Speaker 1: question who would the U SG rather have win the tournament?
Speaker 1: I would say Haggisted, even though by his question, by
Speaker 1: his lofty standards, you know, he only plays the nicest
Speaker 1: courses and the most exclusive clothes, Like this is borderline
Speaker 1: if he was even going to show up, because it's
Speaker 1: probably not quite nice enough for him. But yes, but
Speaker 1: percent of the of the I mean, the PGA tour
Speaker 1: tweeted out today that he works the job full time.
Speaker 1: Socent of the world doesn't know that. Stewart just kind
Speaker 1: of plays golf for a living, right, so in Stewart,
Speaker 1: Who's who's your opinion about the amateur? If the amateur
Speaker 1: getting the getting to continue to play, even though, of course,
Speaker 1: why don't you explain now, Augusta, that doesn't happen. I
Speaker 1: don't know about the other tournament, the Opens taken that
Speaker 1: away as well. I have mixed feelings. I mean, you
Speaker 1: you you want the US Amateur. It was a great
Speaker 1: achievement to win it, as the reward is playing in
Speaker 1: the US Open. Whether your life and your material needs
Speaker 1: and your career demands that there's some change in your status,
Speaker 1: you still won the US Amateur. I'm kind of okay
Speaker 1: with it. It's just particularly awkward right now because he
Speaker 1: took to live money and all that. But um, what
Speaker 1: do you think about that, Jeff? Do you have any
Speaker 1: feelings on whether he should be able to play now
Speaker 1: that he's a pro but he's still the US Amateur
Speaker 1: champ Oh, I think to your point, I think if
Speaker 1: you win the US Amita, you've hurt your way into
Speaker 1: the US Opening period. I don't, I think, um, I
Speaker 1: think you go way back the traditions of the game.
Speaker 1: I'm sure a really important or they are important and
Speaker 1: they're really interesting. But back when those sort of rules
Speaker 1: came along, that sort of amateur professional divide was bigger.
Speaker 1: There really was a difference between an amateur golfer and
Speaker 1: a professional golfer. I mean, they had jobs, real jobs
Speaker 1: where they actually went to them and had careers, and
Speaker 1: they turned up and they played the summer amunate tournaments
Speaker 1: every year and then they went back to their jobs
Speaker 1: like that was a difference. They're not like that anymore.
Speaker 1: These kids a little professional. They're professional amateurs. It's an
Speaker 1: asterisk next to their name only. I mean, if the
Speaker 1: in tennis, if you qualify for the US Open, regardless
Speaker 1: of your status, if you play the first round, you
Speaker 1: get paid. You know, I'm not saying we should pay amates,
Speaker 1: but I just think it's a different world now, and
Speaker 1: I think these kids are professionals from when their kids
Speaker 1: almost you know, they're playing a j g A with
Speaker 1: gallery ropes and leaderboards like from when their little kids.
Speaker 1: It's just it's a it's just a little asterisk next
Speaker 1: to the name only. So um, I think the amateur
Speaker 1: pro divide is narrower than it's ever been. So I
Speaker 1: don't think something like turning pro should stop you playing
Speaker 1: the US Open ever really, And uh, the live thing,
Speaker 1: that's that that we don't have to dive into. That
Speaker 1: that's up to the U s G. I they let
Speaker 1: everybody in who was exempt, who's playing to live, So
Speaker 1: I don't know why you have to let you have
Speaker 1: to if you let one any let all in, right,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah I would. Yeah, I was just suggesting. It
Speaker 1: just adds. It's one thing to turn pro and get money.
Speaker 1: It's not the thing for, you know, to turn pro
Speaker 1: and take the live money, which for some people brings baggage.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I agree, you gotta treat all all the
Speaker 1: pros the same. Anyway, Jeff, we know you have a
Speaker 1: hard stop here because you have to get the kids
Speaker 1: to school. So um. One last thought, Michael, Well, just
Speaker 1: along the lines of I had I posed this question
Speaker 1: to Sandy Tatum years ago, and he said by he
Speaker 1: expected that a transgender golfer would would qualify for the
Speaker 1: for the U S Open. But along those same lines.
Speaker 1: I can almost guess your answer jump, But how would
Speaker 1: you feel about it has happened when women trying to
Speaker 1: uh qualify for for u S opens through up and
Speaker 1: qualifying And do you think do you think we're moving
Speaker 1: closer to that day that will happen? You'll just see
Speaker 1: a woman in the field of of a u S
Speaker 1: open Um, like I hope that day would come. Um,
Speaker 1: it's uh. I love what they did in Europe last week. Um.
Speaker 1: I think it's cool when they've sort of had they've
Speaker 1: had a couple of mixed tournaments down here. Um, I
Speaker 1: think anybody open is open that just because um, you
Speaker 1: shouldn't be anyone should be at a play. It should
Speaker 1: be the best golfer in America, you know, around the
Speaker 1: same test. Absolutely, I don't. I think it's a big test.
Speaker 1: I think it's going to take a sort of a
Speaker 1: sort of a big strong Lexi Thompson, like someone who
Speaker 1: can really hit the ball a long way and it's
Speaker 1: like really amazingly strong because it's not really the length
Speaker 1: I think you can get some there's some plenty of
Speaker 1: the female golfers are hitting it far and probably these
Speaker 1: dis but it's that power out of the raft I
Speaker 1: think would be difficult. Um, but yeah, have at it.
Speaker 1: I don't say why not, just how there's a fifty
Speaker 1: seven year old qualifier that you know, it's there's no
Speaker 1: that's what makes it the US Open. It's just the
Speaker 1: most democratic tournament there is, along with with the Open Championship.
Speaker 1: And um, I think that would I think that'd be amazing.
Speaker 1: And a lot of these thirty six so qualifiers like
Speaker 1: a century and old oaks, I think, Ryan, we're you
Speaker 1: talking about that the other day to yard or shorter courses.
Speaker 1: Maybe you know, there's a lot of women who can
Speaker 1: get get around that and you know one thirty six
Speaker 1: for a day now, they might come here and shoot
Speaker 1: one fifty six, but they could play their win a
Speaker 1: lot of guys when you shoote. So no shame absolutely, Um. Alright,
Speaker 1: anything you want to say before we go, run, No,
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Speaker 1: So I don't know about you guys, but I don't
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