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Speaker 2: Guess what I gave? What's that Mango?

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Speaker 1: It is part two of our Tintin Extravaganza, So if

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Speaker 1: you miss part one, go check it out and come

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Speaker 1: back to this one when you're up to speed on

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Speaker 1: the story.

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Speaker 3: I stayed up way past my bedtime last night studying

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Speaker 3: all things Captain Haddeck, Professor Calculus, and Bianca Castifiore in

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Speaker 3: preparation for this one.

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Speaker 2: I am ready.

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Speaker 1: I love Professor Calculus. He is such a fun character.

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Speaker 1: Did you know he was modeled after a real person,

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Speaker 1: Professor Auguste Picard.

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Speaker 3: I did not know that. Who's Professor Picard?

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Speaker 1: He was an interesting guy. He was the first person

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Speaker 1: of the deep sea observation vessel. It's called the Bathoscaff,

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Speaker 1: but more importantly for Tinton purposes, he also had a

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Speaker 1: unique hairstyle. He was balding on top and he had

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Speaker 3: I love all these real world connections, and Airjay's were

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Speaker 3: like Thompson and Thompson, the hapless nearly identical detectives. They

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Speaker 3: were said to be inspired by air Jay's father, Alexi

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Speaker 3: and his twin brother Leon.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, of the unknown parentage we discussed, right, Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: a Part one reference in case you're wondering, so seriously, though,

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Speaker 1: go listen to part one if you haven't, But back

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Speaker 1: to Thompson and Thompson.

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Speaker 3: As you know, Mango, they wear matching black suits and

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Speaker 3: I read that when Airjay was growing up, his dad

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Speaker 3: and uncle would often go on walks together, wearing identical hats,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they sound like characters. And one of my favorite

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Speaker 1: So their original names in French are DuPont and DuPont

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Speaker 1: it's Schultz and Schultz. In Spanish, it's Ernandez and Fernandez.

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Speaker 1: In Arabic it's tick and talk. But my personal favorite, however,

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Speaker 1: And apologies to any Icelandic listeners out there and also

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Speaker 3: I wonder how you say I'm sorry in Icelandic French.

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Speaker 2: That's a good question. Yeah, well, Mengo.

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Speaker 3: As fascinating as these secondary characters are, let's return them

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Speaker 3: to the background for now, because in today's final installment

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Speaker 3: of our Tintin Adventure, we're talking comic book controversies, Tintin's

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Speaker 3: modern Tintin adaptations. So let's dive in.

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Speaker 1: Hey, their podcast listeners, welcome to part time Genius. I'm Mongish,

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Speaker 1: hearticular as always, I'm here with my good friend Gabe

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Speaker 1: Lucier today because Will Pearson is off and traveling and

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Speaker 1: enjoying the world tinton style. Also our pal and producer

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Speaker 1: Dylan Fagan. He left as a note saying he'd gone

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Speaker 1: adventuring with his faithful dog I didn't even know Dylan

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Speaker 3: Yeah, apparently he does. It's news to me, but good news. Actually,

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Speaker 3: a postcard just arrived. It says, dear Gabe and Mango,

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Speaker 3: having a great time on my adventures. Next stop, Sildavia.

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Speaker 3: Oh love Dylan.

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Speaker 2: Sildavi? Where is a come on?

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Speaker 3: You remember? It's a fictional country and the Balkans that

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Speaker 1: the US it's a little different. The books were never

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Speaker 3: So in May nineteen forty, after Germany invaded Belgium, Airje,

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Part Time Genius.

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Speaker 1: It's part two of our conversation about Tintin and the brilliant,

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Speaker 3: Well, as you might guess, j kept drawing comics, and

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Speaker 3: Right, So what happened did he ever face any consequences?

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Speaker 3: So where does all this stand now, Like, what's the

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Speaker 1: Okay, Gabe, it is time to go beyond the books

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Speaker 3: I'd be happy to so. Between nineteen twenty nine and

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Speaker 1: First of all, I love that Steven Spielberg loved Tintin

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Speaker 3: feel right. Then Spielberg got busy with you know, other stuff,

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Speaker 3: and the option dropped. So it took deck aid for

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Speaker 3: the project to finally come together.

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Speaker 1: I know AIRJ was also a big fan of Spielberg,

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Speaker 1: so even though he died way before the movie came out,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure it was exciting to know that it might

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Speaker 1: even happen. Definitely, But speaking of adaptations, do you know

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Speaker 1: that Ja also wrote or co wrote two Tintin stage plays.

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Speaker 3: I did not know this are these things we can

443
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Speaker 3: go see somewhere, if not on or off Broadway, maybe

444
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Speaker 3: off off, but like off off off.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, in my backyard. That would be my

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Speaker 2: greatest wish.

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Speaker 1: But unfortunately, as far as I can tell, the script

448
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Speaker 1: are lost to history. At least those are the rumors

449
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Speaker 1: in the Tintin fan community. But there was like a

450
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Speaker 1: thread that maybe they existed still somewhere, And actually we've

451
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Speaker 1: got this friend Rag. He wrote this book. He is

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Speaker 1: for Pterodactyl. He's also a rapper and producer. He produces

453
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Speaker 1: under the name Lush Life. And he, like me, grew

454
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Speaker 1: up in going to Indian in the summers. He became

455
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Speaker 1: a huge Tintin fan and he realized that airj had

456
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Speaker 1: written both scripts in nineteen forty one with help from

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Speaker 1: the painter, journalist and writer Jacques von Melquebec, and the

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Speaker 1: first one was called Tinton in India The Mystery of

459
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Speaker 1: the Blue Diamond, so based on contemporarieous accounts of its production,

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Speaker 1: it basically was like a rehashed plot of Cigars of

461
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Speaker 1: the Pharaoh. It opened in nineteen forty one, ran for

462
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Speaker 1: a little over a week in Brussels and start a

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Speaker 1: young woman as Tinton. Because World War two had just

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Speaker 1: created this shortage of male actors. But maybe the biggest

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Speaker 1: surprise is that it was actually a musical.

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Speaker 3: What please tell me? Do we know anything about the song?

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Speaker 1: No, at least I don't, but I know Roger actually

468
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Speaker 1: located the script and is trying to rewrite it. But

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Speaker 1: airj was apparently really happy with how it came out.

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Speaker 1: It got decent reviews despite the short run. And I

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Speaker 1: think this rings true for anyone who's ever had anything

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Speaker 1: to do with the play, especially like a musical with children.

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Speaker 1: This whole thing was a ton of effort to produce,

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Speaker 1: and so even though he had seen it as a success,

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Speaker 1: he wasn't eager to do another.

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Speaker 3: Well you must have made an exception then, right, because

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Speaker 3: you said there were two plays.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So later in nineteen forty one there was mister Bullock's

480
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Speaker 1: disappearance or the disappearance of mister Bullock depending on the translator.

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Speaker 1: We know even less about this play, except that you

482
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Speaker 1: know they did find a young male to play Tintin,

483
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Speaker 1: and plot wise, it's a whole new story. It's not

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Speaker 1: just a rehash of an older book. Tintin travels all

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Speaker 1: over the world, from China to Tibet, to Morocco, to

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Speaker 1: Argentina and then back home to Brussels, and from what

487
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Speaker 1: I can tell, the reviews were a little less stellar.

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Speaker 1: That seems to be the end of Tintin and the

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Speaker 1: theater experience, at least as far as air Ja's direct

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Speaker 1: involvement with it.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yes, I figure you're referring to the adaptation of

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Speaker 3: Tintin and Tibet that was performed in the UK in

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Speaker 3: two thousand and five. Right, It got mostly MIDI it

494
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,119
Speaker 3: did have another run a couple of years later, so

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Speaker 3: I don't know. There must be something to it, or

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Speaker 3: maybe it's just all that pent up demand for Tintin

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Speaker 3: on stage.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I mean I know Raj and the Tintin

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Speaker 1: is stayed are talking and then figuring out how to

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Speaker 1: possibly get this play back on in.

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Speaker 4: A new form. And as someone who loves Tintin, I would.

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Speaker 1: Really really love to see revised for today's times.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what, Mango, if it ever happens, I'll

504
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Speaker 3: buy you a ticket.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think we can get in for free,

506
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Speaker 1: but I'll make sure you get in.

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Speaker 3: Its sounds good to me. But on that note, I

508
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 3: think it's time for a fact off all right, this

509
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Speaker 3: is a fun one. So did you know that Ja

510
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 3: would hide himself in the Tintin books like an early

511
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Speaker 3: iteration of Where's Waldo? It was apparently inspired by Hitchcock's

512
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Speaker 3: idea of breaking the fourth wall and winking at the audience,

513
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Speaker 3: and famously he hid himself in all of his movies too.

514
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Speaker 3: But for example, in King Ottokar's Scepter is dressed as

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Speaker 3: a cavalry officer in the royal court. In The Broken Ear,

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Speaker 3: he's a museum goer. In The Calculus Affair, he's standing

517
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Speaker 3: with a sketch pad and pen. He goes on and on.

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Speaker 4: That is so fun.

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Speaker 1: I actually did not know that. Now I've got to

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Speaker 1: go back and look for him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. And in a nod to this, Spielberg has

522
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Speaker 3: a little animated Airja cameo in his Tintin movie too,

523
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Speaker 3: So I look out for that. I love that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I've got another one for you.

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Speaker 1: In twenty twenty one, a rare Tintin cover illustration was

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Speaker 1: sold at auction for nearly three point two million euros

527
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Speaker 1: around three point eight four million dollars, making it the

528
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Speaker 1: world's most expensive comic book art. The art itself is

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Speaker 1: actually the original idea for the Blue Lotus, the adventure

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Speaker 1: that took place in China, where Airj did a bunch

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Speaker 1: of research ahead of time thanks to his friend John.

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Speaker 1: Now I've seen pictures of this long lost artwork and

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Speaker 1: it is really beautiful. It would have actually made an

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Speaker 1: amazing cover, but when Airja showed it to his publisher,

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Speaker 1: they said it had too many colors and would be

536
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Speaker 1: too expensive to produce using the technology they had.

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Speaker 3: At the time.

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Speaker 1: So instead Airja gave the original art, the actual one

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Speaker 1: he had painted, to his publisher's seven year old son,

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Speaker 1: and it just stuck around in their family for a

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Speaker 1: long time.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know what's extra crazy about that is that

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Speaker 3: Tintin had already set the previous record for the world's

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Speaker 3: most expensive comic book art. And I was back in

545
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Speaker 3: twenty fourteen when some original drawings sold for two point

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Speaker 3: six five million euros, and there has been other Tintin

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Speaker 3: art that's sold for well over a million dollars over

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Speaker 3: the years. One reason why these pieces go for such

549
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 3: high dollar marks is besides you know Tintin's popularity, of course,

550
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 3: is that Tintin's estate is notoriously strict. It's run by

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Speaker 3: Rgey's widow, Fanny and her second husband, a guy named

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Speaker 3: Nick Rodwell. He's hard fisted in his approach to dealing

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Speaker 3: with Tintin copyright, let's just say that. And in the

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Speaker 3: Tintin world he's almost universally hated. He's been described, or

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Speaker 3: maybe describes himself as quote the least popular man in Belgium.

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Speaker 3: And that's because of you know how often he's litigated

557
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Speaker 3: copyright cases. For example, in twenty twenty one he sued

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Speaker 3: a French sculptor for the ninety busts of Tintin he

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Speaker 3: had made, and that same year he also sued a

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Speaker 3: French painter who had paid to Tintin in the World

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Speaker 3: of Edward Hopper, but in a manner Rodwell deemed quote

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Speaker 3: mildly erotic. Oh no, yeah. And in two thousand and

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00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 3: nine a French novelist had his home seized because he

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Speaker 3: had reproduced a Tintin drawing in a book for students,

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Speaker 3: which had a print run of two hundred copies. So

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Speaker 3: I mean he didn't even make a profit off it.

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Speaker 3: Rodwell says he's just protecting Airs and Tintin's legacy from

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Speaker 3: bad quality spinoffs. That kind of stuff. Can water down

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Speaker 3: an artist's legacy after they die, and j himself was

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Speaker 3: adamant that he didn't want any Tintin books to come

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Speaker 3: out after his death. But repossessing somebody's house because of

572
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 3: a book for students, Yeah, that's a little over the top.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Gabe.

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Speaker 1: So have you ever thought about the fact that even

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Speaker 1: though the Tintin book spanned forty years, Tintin himself was ageless,

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Speaker 1: like his appearance never changes.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 3: I hadn't thought about that, but now that you mention it,

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Speaker 3: I'm thinking about it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true, because I brought it off. Well, Lucky

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Speaker 1: for you, there are some scientists who also thought about it, or,

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00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: more precisely, a scientist and his two young sons. In

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Speaker 1: two thousand and four, a Canadian professor of medicine named

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Speaker 1: Claude Syr published a satirical paper about his efforts to

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Speaker 1: figure out why Tintin hadn't aged over the decades, and

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Speaker 1: he and his kids went through the books and counted

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Speaker 1: the number of times Tintin lost consciousness, which you know

588
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Speaker 1: is a lot. Fifty times. Forty three of those times

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Speaker 1: were considered severe. Professor Sear decided that these repeated blows

590
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: to the head had led to growth hormone deficiency and

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Speaker 1: because of that also a condition called hyponatotropic hypogonadism, which

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Speaker 1: you know is a mouthful but it's.

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Speaker 4: A real thing.

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Speaker 1: It can lead to delayed or totally missing puberty for

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Speaker 1: the people who are affected by it.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 3: All right, but well here's what I really want to know.

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Speaker 3: Did he ever explain snowy? I mean that dog is

599
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 3: still going strong, he still has puppy energy. Yeas one hundred.

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Speaker 1: Years later, that is a fair point. Maybe his kids

601
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: have done to study on this. I'll have to report back, please.

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Speaker 3: Do Yeah, keep us posted. All right, So I'm going

603
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 3: to pivot here, but I was really excited to learn that.

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Speaker 3: In twenty twenty two, a new Belgian passport was introduced

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Speaker 3: that features illustrations from famous Belgian cartoons and comics in

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Speaker 3: general are really beloved over there and considered high art.

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00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 3: So the passport pages included drawings of famous Belgium cartoon

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Speaker 3: characters like Tintin and the Smurfs, and apparently, when UV

609
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 3: light is shown on the drawings, additional details like facial

610
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 3: expressions are revealed. And not only is that absolutely delightful,

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Speaker 3: but these details also make it a lot harder to counterfeit.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I love that Belgians just really love comics, so

613
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: staying in the vein of Belgium pride. In twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 1: Brussels Airlines unveiled in airbus A three twenty named Rackham,

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Speaker 1: which refers to the Tintin book read Rackham's Treasure.

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Speaker 4: The outside of the.

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Speaker 1: Planet is painted to look like the submarine from that book,

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Speaker 1: and the cabin inside has pictures of Captain Haddock and Tintin,

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Speaker 1: and a of course red Rackham's Treasure is available on

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Speaker 1: board for reading well.

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Speaker 3: Our final fact is yet another example of how Tintin

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Speaker 3: keeps appearing in Belgium today. For the twenty twenty four

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Speaker 3: euro Cup, the Belgian soccer team's away kit was inspired

624
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 3: by you Guessed It our man himself. The players wore

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00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 3: a uniform based on Tintin's iconic outfit, a light blue

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Speaker 3: jersey with a white collar, brown shorts and white sox.

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Speaker 2: I know, I was so excited when I saw that.

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00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 4: I'm obviously a soccer fan and loved but they did that.

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Speaker 1: But you know, there's actually one book where Tintin breaks

630
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: from the standard outfit and dresses just a little differently. Really. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy six, air J published what would be

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Speaker 1: the last fully completed Tintin adventure. It was called Tintin

633
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Speaker 1: and the Pickereas and strikingly, while Tintin has the same

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00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: blue shirt, his brown pants are long in this one,

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Speaker 1: not short, and on the cover drawing the pants are

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00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: noticeably flared.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean it was the seventies, right, so even

638
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 3: Tintin wore bell bottoms. But a way, Mangel, I'm really

639
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 3: glad that you convinced us to explore the life and

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00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 3: times of a cartoon adventurer. So I think you get

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00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 3: today's trophy. You earned it. And there's actually two trophies,

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00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 3: one for last time as well.

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Speaker 1: Well I'll take them, and I guess I'll share these

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00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: with my fellow tinton fans and Dylan wherever he is.

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Speaker 1: That concludes our two part Tintin series. I hope you

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Speaker 1: enjoyed it. If you did, please share these episodes with

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Speaker 1: you have any questions, comments, or just want to tell

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Speaker 1: Part one, was written by the wonderful of Marissa Brown.

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Speaker 1: We will be back next week with another new episode,

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