1 00:00:04,755 --> 00:00:19,715 Speaker 1: Countdown with Keith Olderman is a production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:22,835 --> 00:00:25,675 Speaker 1: Trump is not a trader. The leak to the Washington 3 00:00:25,755 --> 00:00:29,635 Speaker 1: Post claims, he's just a hoarder. The leak to the 4 00:00:29,675 --> 00:00:33,675 Speaker 1: Post asserts that Trump stole the classified documents to satisfy 5 00:00:33,835 --> 00:00:37,315 Speaker 1: his ego and his compulsion to own everything, not to 6 00:00:37,555 --> 00:00:41,195 Speaker 1: sell them, not to sell the country out, not to 7 00:00:41,355 --> 00:00:45,155 Speaker 1: blackmail this country, not to blackmail another country, not to 8 00:00:45,275 --> 00:00:48,475 Speaker 1: wreak revenge against people in this country, not to start 9 00:00:48,475 --> 00:00:53,475 Speaker 1: a nuclear war, just to keep them. Like anybody would, 10 00:00:54,475 --> 00:00:58,915 Speaker 1: you'd keep a white House cocktail napkin, so he'd keep 11 00:00:58,955 --> 00:01:03,795 Speaker 1: a White House classified document listening, we're all of our 12 00:01:03,955 --> 00:01:07,675 Speaker 1: spies live. And another document detailing what kinds of nuclear 13 00:01:07,715 --> 00:01:10,515 Speaker 1: weapons and other country has and doesn't have, And another 14 00:01:10,555 --> 00:01:13,595 Speaker 1: document about how we spy on China, and another document 15 00:01:13,675 --> 00:01:17,195 Speaker 1: about the Iranian missile program. And boxes and boxes and 16 00:01:17,275 --> 00:01:21,155 Speaker 1: boxes and boxes and boxes of other classified documents, the 17 00:01:21,235 --> 00:01:23,995 Speaker 1: mere possession of one of which would get you or 18 00:01:24,155 --> 00:01:30,075 Speaker 1: I a lengthy prison term. He's just an average guy 19 00:01:30,155 --> 00:01:34,235 Speaker 1: who needs something tangible to remind him that he was 20 00:01:34,275 --> 00:01:40,475 Speaker 1: actually once president. They're just souvenirs, just because they are 21 00:01:40,515 --> 00:01:44,155 Speaker 1: so secret that after you get the highest security clearance 22 00:01:44,195 --> 00:01:46,755 Speaker 1: in this country, you have to get another level of 23 00:01:46,755 --> 00:01:51,755 Speaker 1: clearance just to know these souvenirs exist, and you have 24 00:01:51,835 --> 00:01:54,635 Speaker 1: to go to a special secure room that has armed 25 00:01:54,675 --> 00:01:58,235 Speaker 1: guards in it just to look at these souvenirs. Why 26 00:01:58,315 --> 00:02:05,115 Speaker 1: that's just coincidence. He's not a trader, He's a hoarder. 27 00:02:07,315 --> 00:02:10,355 Speaker 1: The story in the Washington Post suggests once again it 28 00:02:10,515 --> 00:02:14,155 Speaker 1: is not only unbelievably bad for Donald Trump, but far 29 00:02:14,235 --> 00:02:17,275 Speaker 1: worse than we could ever imagine. Because you do not 30 00:02:17,435 --> 00:02:21,275 Speaker 1: leak to the Washington Post what the semi innocent motives 31 00:02:21,355 --> 00:02:26,955 Speaker 1: are for a president who steals classified documents. Unless everybody 32 00:02:26,995 --> 00:02:29,995 Speaker 1: in the Department of Justice and everybody on Trump's defense 33 00:02:29,995 --> 00:02:35,755 Speaker 1: team all agree Trump stole classified documents, there is no 34 00:02:36,035 --> 00:02:41,035 Speaker 1: stunning sudden confession in the Post story, no doubt resolved, 35 00:02:41,355 --> 00:02:45,555 Speaker 1: Also no conditioned conclusions, like if the documents were still 36 00:02:45,555 --> 00:02:49,475 Speaker 1: only because the premise of this is Trump is guilty. 37 00:02:49,515 --> 00:02:52,475 Speaker 1: Somebody has just tried to mitigate how much time he 38 00:02:52,595 --> 00:02:58,115 Speaker 1: does based on motive. He's not a foreign spy who 39 00:02:58,315 --> 00:03:07,235 Speaker 1: might face the death penalty. He's a collector. It is possible, 40 00:03:08,155 --> 00:03:11,555 Speaker 1: it is maybe even plausible, that the report in the 41 00:03:11,595 --> 00:03:17,075 Speaker 1: Washington Post that reignites the Marilago nuclear kleptomanias saga originates 42 00:03:17,115 --> 00:03:20,515 Speaker 1: with a source in law enforcement, maybe a source in 43 00:03:20,555 --> 00:03:23,995 Speaker 1: the Justice Department. There are plenty of people in law 44 00:03:24,075 --> 00:03:27,195 Speaker 1: enforcements still loyal to Trump, and many in the Justice 45 00:03:27,195 --> 00:03:30,755 Speaker 1: Department who think this is still three And it would 46 00:03:30,795 --> 00:03:33,635 Speaker 1: be uncouth for the greatest country in the world to 47 00:03:33,715 --> 00:03:38,915 Speaker 1: actually prosecute a former president. Oh, he confessed, Well, it 48 00:03:38,915 --> 00:03:42,715 Speaker 1: would be uncouth to actually prosecute a former president for espionage. 49 00:03:42,875 --> 00:03:45,155 Speaker 1: So let's see if we can manipulate this story so 50 00:03:45,195 --> 00:03:49,035 Speaker 1: we only have to prosecute him for destruction of government records? 51 00:03:49,115 --> 00:03:54,595 Speaker 1: Is something, because he's not guilty of espionage, He's guilty 52 00:03:54,635 --> 00:03:59,475 Speaker 1: of just loving these wonderful documents, not wisely but too well, 53 00:04:00,235 --> 00:04:01,715 Speaker 1: who do you know at the Post we can leak 54 00:04:01,795 --> 00:04:08,195 Speaker 1: this do but bluntly, the odds are about ninety three 55 00:04:08,195 --> 00:04:10,235 Speaker 1: out of one hundred that this is directly from the 56 00:04:10,235 --> 00:04:12,995 Speaker 1: Trump team because they are trying to avoid getting their 57 00:04:12,995 --> 00:04:16,475 Speaker 1: client hanged or whatever it is we do to nuclear 58 00:04:16,595 --> 00:04:19,555 Speaker 1: espionage thieves and traders nowadays, and thus we get a 59 00:04:19,555 --> 00:04:24,675 Speaker 1: Washington Post headline. Investigators see ego not money, as Trump's 60 00:04:24,675 --> 00:04:29,155 Speaker 1: motive on classified papers. He's not a mercenary who would 61 00:04:29,155 --> 00:04:33,915 Speaker 1: sell this country out. He's just a pack rat. A 62 00:04:33,995 --> 00:04:37,755 Speaker 1: review by agents and prosecutors found no discernible business interest 63 00:04:37,795 --> 00:04:40,915 Speaker 1: in the Mari Lago documents. People familiar with the matters 64 00:04:40,955 --> 00:04:44,915 Speaker 1: that people familiar familiar people, people who are familiar with 65 00:04:44,995 --> 00:04:47,195 Speaker 1: the fact that Donald Trump is not loyal to some 66 00:04:47,435 --> 00:04:51,355 Speaker 1: other country. He's just loyal to the credo of the 67 00:04:51,435 --> 00:04:58,355 Speaker 1: average buyer on eBay. Quote. FBI interviews with witnesses so far, 68 00:04:58,435 --> 00:05:01,595 Speaker 1: they said, also do not point to any nefarious effort 69 00:05:01,635 --> 00:05:06,475 Speaker 1: by Trump to leverage, sell, or use the government's secrets. Instead, 70 00:05:06,515 --> 00:05:09,275 Speaker 1: the former president seemed motivated by a more basic desire 71 00:05:09,755 --> 00:05:14,955 Speaker 1: not to give up what he believed was his property. Unquote. 72 00:05:16,675 --> 00:05:18,955 Speaker 1: I am suddenly transported back to my youth, and I 73 00:05:18,995 --> 00:05:24,355 Speaker 1: am watching on the floor my little TV. And there's 74 00:05:24,435 --> 00:05:29,915 Speaker 1: Daffy Duck in bugs Bunnies Ali Baba Bunny, and Daffy 75 00:05:29,995 --> 00:05:33,035 Speaker 1: Duck is pushing bugs money back into their tunnel, and 76 00:05:33,115 --> 00:05:35,795 Speaker 1: he's looking at all the gold and jewels and emeralds, 77 00:05:35,795 --> 00:05:38,995 Speaker 1: and he's shouting, it's mine, you understand mine, all mine. 78 00:05:39,035 --> 00:05:42,715 Speaker 1: Get back in there. Down down, down, go go go mind, mind, 79 00:05:42,795 --> 00:05:49,795 Speaker 1: mind wa We segue back from mel Blank to Josh 80 00:05:49,915 --> 00:05:53,795 Speaker 1: Daucy of the Washington Post quote several Trump advisers said 81 00:05:53,795 --> 00:05:56,075 Speaker 1: that each time he was asked to give documents or 82 00:05:56,155 --> 00:06:00,955 Speaker 1: materials back, his stance hardened, down, down, down, go co. 83 00:06:01,475 --> 00:06:05,395 Speaker 1: Trump repeatedly said the materials were his, not the governments, 84 00:06:05,435 --> 00:06:11,315 Speaker 1: often in profane terms. Two of these people said, well, 85 00:06:11,355 --> 00:06:14,555 Speaker 1: at least we know Trump advisors were among the leakers 86 00:06:14,595 --> 00:06:17,835 Speaker 1: of this story, and their short game is trying to 87 00:06:17,875 --> 00:06:21,315 Speaker 1: get Trump not indicted for espionage or treason. The long 88 00:06:21,355 --> 00:06:23,715 Speaker 1: game is trying to soften up public opinion and maybe 89 00:06:23,715 --> 00:06:28,235 Speaker 1: even a jury pool. Counting the headline, there are in 90 00:06:28,315 --> 00:06:32,195 Speaker 1: the first eight Washington Post paragraphs eight different versions of 91 00:06:32,235 --> 00:06:38,955 Speaker 1: this basic argument. He's not Julius Rosenberg, He's Daffy Duck. 92 00:06:40,795 --> 00:06:43,475 Speaker 1: It is paragraph seven before we get to the confession. 93 00:06:43,955 --> 00:06:48,435 Speaker 1: Quoting again, The analysis of Trump's likely motive in allegedly 94 00:06:48,515 --> 00:06:51,235 Speaker 1: keeping the documents is not, strictly speaking, an element of 95 00:06:51,275 --> 00:06:55,115 Speaker 1: determining whether he or anyone around him committed a crime 96 00:06:55,635 --> 00:06:59,995 Speaker 1: or should be charged with one. Thank you, yes, exactly, 97 00:07:00,115 --> 00:07:04,235 Speaker 1: end of story. I'm just waiting for a however or 98 00:07:04,275 --> 00:07:07,875 Speaker 1: a B. But as a practical matter. Motive is an 99 00:07:07,875 --> 00:07:11,595 Speaker 1: important part of how prosecutors assess cases and decide whether 100 00:07:11,635 --> 00:07:17,155 Speaker 1: to file criminal charges. Unquote. There was a less impressive 101 00:07:17,235 --> 00:07:21,275 Speaker 1: leaked story to CNN that touches on this kind of Tangentially. 102 00:07:21,675 --> 00:07:25,395 Speaker 1: Trump Quote argued in a newly public court filing that 103 00:07:25,435 --> 00:07:28,955 Speaker 1: a president gets to decide whether records from his White 104 00:07:28,995 --> 00:07:33,075 Speaker 1: House are personal documents, and that he had decided that 105 00:07:33,115 --> 00:07:35,235 Speaker 1: all the records he took to mari Lago were in 106 00:07:35,315 --> 00:07:40,675 Speaker 1: fact his personal property. These two stories, the Washington Posts 107 00:07:40,715 --> 00:07:44,515 Speaker 1: in particular, verge on somebody saying, yes, of course he 108 00:07:44,635 --> 00:07:48,195 Speaker 1: stabbed all those people, but not so they die. He's 109 00:07:48,315 --> 00:07:54,755 Speaker 1: just a knife lover. He collects knives. This isn't murder, 110 00:07:55,595 --> 00:08:02,115 Speaker 1: it's ego Ohen Trump collects these documents like I collect 111 00:08:02,115 --> 00:08:05,795 Speaker 1: baseball cards, a little out of control, and you know, 112 00:08:05,875 --> 00:08:08,395 Speaker 1: some of the rare nineteenth century ones mixed in with 113 00:08:08,435 --> 00:08:13,555 Speaker 1: some of the two tops Hugo Lowell and Brittain's. The 114 00:08:13,595 --> 00:08:17,195 Speaker 1: Guardian wrote yesterday, trump Quote kept in the desk drawer 115 00:08:17,275 --> 00:08:21,035 Speaker 1: of his office at Marilago property, one document marked secret 116 00:08:21,115 --> 00:08:26,395 Speaker 1: and one market confidential, alongside three communications from a book author, 117 00:08:26,795 --> 00:08:30,875 Speaker 1: a religious leader and a Polster dated after he departed 118 00:08:30,915 --> 00:08:34,235 Speaker 1: the White House. This is the third or fourth report 119 00:08:34,235 --> 00:08:37,995 Speaker 1: of such co mingling of evidence that Trump took classified 120 00:08:37,995 --> 00:08:42,395 Speaker 1: stuff from January one or before, looked at it, then 121 00:08:42,475 --> 00:08:45,595 Speaker 1: put it in a drawer or a box with old schedules, 122 00:08:45,635 --> 00:08:50,515 Speaker 1: old passports, old newspaper clippings, old letters. What collector doesn't 123 00:08:50,555 --> 00:08:55,355 Speaker 1: do that? And all of this comes as Trump is 124 00:08:55,435 --> 00:08:58,435 Speaker 1: still scheduled to formally launch his third bid to take 125 00:08:58,435 --> 00:09:01,555 Speaker 1: power in this country, and to launch it today despite 126 00:09:01,555 --> 00:09:05,835 Speaker 1: apparently everybody on the planet telling him not to trying to. 127 00:09:06,115 --> 00:09:10,035 Speaker 1: As Politico quoted yet another Trump advisor, frame his announcement 128 00:09:10,075 --> 00:09:13,115 Speaker 1: to feel more like two thousand sixteen, less like two 129 00:09:12,995 --> 00:09:18,915 Speaker 1: thousan Yeah, more escalators and ethnic insults, fewer overthrow the 130 00:09:18,955 --> 00:09:22,995 Speaker 1: government by violency and steely the nation's secret e things 131 00:09:23,035 --> 00:09:27,595 Speaker 1: e And apparently that lack of support from Rupert Murdoch 132 00:09:27,715 --> 00:09:30,235 Speaker 1: seene first and unmistakably in the New York Post and 133 00:09:30,275 --> 00:09:33,555 Speaker 1: now emigrating stealthily towards Fox News and the Wall Street 134 00:09:33,635 --> 00:09:38,195 Speaker 1: Journal is no pose. The London newspaper The Eye yesterday 135 00:09:38,235 --> 00:09:41,355 Speaker 1: reported Rupert Murdoch told Trump personally he will not back 136 00:09:41,795 --> 00:09:45,995 Speaker 1: another Trump presidential candidacy, It quotes a senior News Corps source. 137 00:09:46,595 --> 00:09:49,995 Speaker 1: We have been clear with Donald. There have been conversations 138 00:09:50,035 --> 00:09:52,955 Speaker 1: between them during which Rupert made it clear to Donald 139 00:09:53,395 --> 00:09:56,755 Speaker 1: that we cannot back another run for the White House unquote, 140 00:09:57,475 --> 00:09:59,595 Speaker 1: and that they might even back a Democrat against him 141 00:09:59,595 --> 00:10:02,755 Speaker 1: if necessary, and that Lachland Murdoch is trying to get 142 00:10:02,755 --> 00:10:05,755 Speaker 1: to Santists to kiss the family ring. And none of 143 00:10:05,755 --> 00:10:08,915 Speaker 1: this is personal, of course. Quote. The poor showing from 144 00:10:08,955 --> 00:10:11,675 Speaker 1: the Republican candidates Trump back during the U S midterm 145 00:10:11,675 --> 00:10:15,715 Speaker 1: elections last week has put an end to his political career, 146 00:10:16,995 --> 00:10:19,715 Speaker 1: and if that is somehow not clear enough, the Texas 147 00:10:19,795 --> 00:10:24,275 Speaker 1: Republican Party has posted another poll it bought to assess 148 00:10:24,395 --> 00:10:28,675 Speaker 1: GOP moods towards a two thousand four primary among that 149 00:10:28,795 --> 00:10:32,435 Speaker 1: state's members. On October twenty three, it had Trump fort 150 00:10:32,915 --> 00:10:37,315 Speaker 1: Santis twenty nine, Abbot four in Texas. As of November 151 00:10:37,915 --> 00:10:42,195 Speaker 1: same poll, it's to Santis forty three, Trump thirty two, 152 00:10:42,675 --> 00:10:46,235 Speaker 1: Pence five. Although I am a little suspicious about the 153 00:10:46,235 --> 00:10:51,115 Speaker 1: whole pole since they misspelled Greg Abbott's name, the conventional 154 00:10:51,155 --> 00:10:55,435 Speaker 1: political thinking of the moment remarkably remains that this is 155 00:10:55,475 --> 00:10:58,755 Speaker 1: a passing thing. And they will all line up behind 156 00:10:58,835 --> 00:11:02,955 Speaker 1: Trump when the time comes, in spite of, or perhaps 157 00:11:03,075 --> 00:11:07,875 Speaker 1: because of, his ease. The psychologists saying that if the 158 00:11:07,875 --> 00:11:11,675 Speaker 1: Republicans don't line up behind him, quote, Donald will burn 159 00:11:11,835 --> 00:11:17,715 Speaker 1: everything down if he feels like he is going down. Why, 160 00:11:18,195 --> 00:11:24,955 Speaker 1: he's just a collector, He's just a hoarder. He's just 161 00:11:25,115 --> 00:11:30,755 Speaker 1: a pack rat. Down down down, go go go mind mind, mind, 162 00:11:45,355 --> 00:11:50,475 Speaker 1: Daffy Trump, if we can make that stick Still ahead, 163 00:11:50,475 --> 00:11:54,715 Speaker 1: herschel Walker attacks Raphael Warnock over how Warnock raises his children. 164 00:11:55,395 --> 00:11:59,835 Speaker 1: What is this a volume thing? Reverend Warnock doesn't have 165 00:11:59,955 --> 00:12:03,315 Speaker 1: enough kids? Herschel Walker talk about a hoarder? How many 166 00:12:03,355 --> 00:12:07,315 Speaker 1: kids you got? Hersh plus or minus five? The latest 167 00:12:07,355 --> 00:12:10,475 Speaker 1: on Jay Leno's accident, and in things I promised not 168 00:12:10,595 --> 00:12:13,115 Speaker 1: to tell. There are two new Hockey Hall of Fame 169 00:12:13,195 --> 00:12:17,075 Speaker 1: media members today, and I have wild stories about both 170 00:12:17,115 --> 00:12:21,275 Speaker 1: of them, including about the ESPN NHL telecast on which 171 00:12:21,315 --> 00:12:27,555 Speaker 1: somebody called Sergio Momesso of the New York Rangers, Sergio Mimosa. 172 00:12:29,075 --> 00:12:33,115 Speaker 1: That's next, drink him if you got him. This is countdown. 173 00:12:38,955 --> 00:12:46,155 Speaker 1: This is countdown with Keith Olberman, my crazy friend, like 174 00:12:46,315 --> 00:12:48,995 Speaker 1: you should talk Still Ahead on Countdown. Katie Hobbs is 175 00:12:49,035 --> 00:12:52,395 Speaker 1: Governor elect, and I owe her an apology. Jay Leno 176 00:12:52,555 --> 00:12:55,915 Speaker 1: is burned by one of his own classic cars, and 177 00:12:55,995 --> 00:12:58,955 Speaker 1: you need to know something great he did once and 178 00:12:58,995 --> 00:13:01,795 Speaker 1: two more my ex colleagues make the Hockey Hall of Fame, 179 00:13:02,315 --> 00:13:04,955 Speaker 1: including the guy who pointed out that is broadcast partner 180 00:13:05,115 --> 00:13:11,755 Speaker 1: just called Sergio Momesso. Sergio Mimosa drinks for the House 181 00:13:12,035 --> 00:13:15,475 Speaker 1: ahead first. In each edition of Countdown, we feature a 182 00:13:15,515 --> 00:13:17,635 Speaker 1: dog in need you can help. Every dog has its 183 00:13:17,715 --> 00:13:21,115 Speaker 1: day first. Every time I've repeated last week, I asked 184 00:13:21,115 --> 00:13:24,835 Speaker 1: you to help out. Spaghetti, a big, handsome bulldog pit 185 00:13:25,155 --> 00:13:28,515 Speaker 1: mix tan and white, found on Staten Island in New York, 186 00:13:28,555 --> 00:13:32,195 Speaker 1: almost dehydrated, almost starved. Now he has lost the ability 187 00:13:32,235 --> 00:13:35,635 Speaker 1: to walk. They're hoping it is restorable, but they'll need 188 00:13:35,715 --> 00:13:39,475 Speaker 1: more donations near and far. Animal Foundation has gotten him 189 00:13:39,475 --> 00:13:43,275 Speaker 1: and launched a fundraiser for Spaghetti on Cuddly Any donational help. 190 00:13:43,515 --> 00:13:46,075 Speaker 1: You can find Spaghetti there or he'll be my pinned 191 00:13:46,115 --> 00:13:49,315 Speaker 1: tweet at tom Jumbo Grumbo with a link to donate. 192 00:13:49,595 --> 00:13:52,675 Speaker 1: If you can't donate, a retweet can be almost as valuable. 193 00:13:52,915 --> 00:14:07,715 Speaker 1: I thank you, and Spaghetti thanks you. Postscripts to the news, 194 00:14:07,755 --> 00:14:11,915 Speaker 1: some headlines, some updates, some snarks, some predictions. State line Phoenix, 195 00:14:12,035 --> 00:14:15,035 Speaker 1: Katie Hobbs will be the next governor of Arizona looks 196 00:14:15,075 --> 00:14:18,155 Speaker 1: like a margin of around twenty thousand. I'm going to 197 00:14:18,195 --> 00:14:22,035 Speaker 1: apologize to the governor elect. I said here not debating 198 00:14:22,115 --> 00:14:24,795 Speaker 1: Carry Lake was going to cost her the election. Not 199 00:14:24,875 --> 00:14:27,395 Speaker 1: only was I wrong, but the more I had thought 200 00:14:27,435 --> 00:14:30,675 Speaker 1: about it, the more I thought, No, it's a genius move. 201 00:14:31,355 --> 00:14:33,435 Speaker 1: We are now so used to them that we don't 202 00:14:33,435 --> 00:14:37,795 Speaker 1: think twice about candidates being drawn from the world of television. 203 00:14:38,275 --> 00:14:42,675 Speaker 1: Would mement Oz even have had a remote chance at 204 00:14:42,715 --> 00:14:47,275 Speaker 1: the Pennsylvania Senate but for TV Donald Trump? But Carry 205 00:14:47,355 --> 00:14:50,035 Speaker 1: Lake was not just a TV person. She was a 206 00:14:50,075 --> 00:14:53,675 Speaker 1: local TV newscaster on two different Phoenix stations. She was 207 00:14:53,715 --> 00:14:57,115 Speaker 1: on the Fox affiliate for twenty two years. What is 208 00:14:57,155 --> 00:15:00,195 Speaker 1: it debate now? It is, in essence, a live TV 209 00:15:00,355 --> 00:15:04,195 Speaker 1: reality show where you try to remember, rehearse lines. Who 210 00:15:04,235 --> 00:15:07,635 Speaker 1: would be better in that format, the government bureaucrat or 211 00:15:07,715 --> 00:15:10,715 Speaker 1: the TV anchor who can fake smile and add lib 212 00:15:10,795 --> 00:15:15,635 Speaker 1: her way out of any dilemma? Congratulations Governor electops, of course, 213 00:15:15,675 --> 00:15:19,235 Speaker 1: take it from me. Most local TV newscasters still are morons. 214 00:15:19,715 --> 00:15:22,555 Speaker 1: Last night, Liz Cheney revealed a thank you letter for 215 00:15:22,675 --> 00:15:27,075 Speaker 1: a donation in kind to her campaign from Carry Lake. 216 00:15:27,835 --> 00:15:30,235 Speaker 1: It is snotty and condescending, and most of all, it 217 00:15:30,315 --> 00:15:34,275 Speaker 1: assumes Lake is writing on October as if she had 218 00:15:34,315 --> 00:15:39,915 Speaker 1: already won premature jocularity. Cheney's tweet back last night, You're 219 00:15:39,955 --> 00:15:44,235 Speaker 1: welcome Carry Lake, the TV newscaster as candidate thing is 220 00:15:44,275 --> 00:15:47,395 Speaker 1: a terrifying thing to contemplate. Hell and l A. We 221 00:15:47,475 --> 00:15:50,755 Speaker 1: used to have a guy named Baxter Ward. Baxter Ward 222 00:15:50,835 --> 00:15:53,435 Speaker 1: was a TV newscaster, then he ran for mayor in 223 00:15:53,515 --> 00:15:56,515 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine, Then he went back to TV news. 224 00:15:56,995 --> 00:15:59,115 Speaker 1: Then he got elected to the county Board of Supervisors 225 00:15:59,115 --> 00:16:02,515 Speaker 1: in ninety two. Then he lost in nine eighty, so 226 00:16:02,555 --> 00:16:05,115 Speaker 1: he went back to TV news again, and then he 227 00:16:05,235 --> 00:16:08,555 Speaker 1: ran for mayor again. You don't want to live in 228 00:16:08,555 --> 00:16:11,755 Speaker 1: a world like that. Dateline, Los Angeles. Jay Leno is 229 00:16:11,795 --> 00:16:14,275 Speaker 1: in stable condition after one of his classic cars burst 230 00:16:14,315 --> 00:16:16,635 Speaker 1: into flames while he was working on it. He had 231 00:16:16,675 --> 00:16:19,835 Speaker 1: to cancel some appearances. He says, I got some serious 232 00:16:19,835 --> 00:16:23,555 Speaker 1: burns from castlen fire on his face in his hands, 233 00:16:23,595 --> 00:16:25,835 Speaker 1: but I am okay, just need a week or two 234 00:16:25,875 --> 00:16:29,915 Speaker 1: to get back on my feet. Jay Leno earned a 235 00:16:30,035 --> 00:16:34,195 Speaker 1: less than happy reputation after the Conan O'Brien fiasco. And no, 236 00:16:34,875 --> 00:16:38,155 Speaker 1: I'm not sure i'd totally trust him professionally, but I 237 00:16:38,195 --> 00:16:40,515 Speaker 1: guessed it on all the late night shows. And I'll 238 00:16:40,555 --> 00:16:44,715 Speaker 1: always love Dave Letterman, but appearing on Leno's tonight show 239 00:16:44,955 --> 00:16:48,675 Speaker 1: was the best. He not only doated on his guests 240 00:16:48,675 --> 00:16:50,555 Speaker 1: to the point of sometimes having to be pulled out 241 00:16:50,555 --> 00:16:54,075 Speaker 1: of conversations with them in advance of the show so 242 00:16:54,155 --> 00:16:56,795 Speaker 1: he would go to make up in time. But I 243 00:16:56,795 --> 00:16:59,355 Speaker 1: will never forget that. A week after our father died, 244 00:16:59,395 --> 00:17:01,995 Speaker 1: I was sitting in my apartment with my sister and 245 00:17:02,075 --> 00:17:05,435 Speaker 1: the phone rang and it was Jay checking to see 246 00:17:05,475 --> 00:17:07,435 Speaker 1: how I was doing, asking if he could help in 247 00:17:07,475 --> 00:17:10,475 Speaker 1: any way. Without revealing who was on the phone, I said, 248 00:17:10,475 --> 00:17:12,195 Speaker 1: you know what, I'm pretty good, but my sister is 249 00:17:12,195 --> 00:17:14,555 Speaker 1: here and I bet she would value your thoughts right 250 00:17:14,595 --> 00:17:19,515 Speaker 1: about now. They spoke for at least five minutes. Complicated man, 251 00:17:19,555 --> 00:17:25,235 Speaker 1: extraordinarily ambitious, but at heart all heart good luck Jack 252 00:17:25,635 --> 00:17:28,995 Speaker 1: Dateline thirty Rock. The Daily Beast reports NBC News has 253 00:17:29,075 --> 00:17:32,475 Speaker 1: suspended the reporter who aired the false report about Paul 254 00:17:32,515 --> 00:17:36,115 Speaker 1: Pelosi's attacker a week after the attack. Miguel al mcgare 255 00:17:36,715 --> 00:17:40,075 Speaker 1: standard line from the standard NBC Press Office liar quote, 256 00:17:40,075 --> 00:17:43,075 Speaker 1: we don't comment on personnel matters. How about the death 257 00:17:43,115 --> 00:17:46,515 Speaker 1: of journalistic standards at NBC News and MSNBC You comment 258 00:17:46,595 --> 00:17:52,115 Speaker 1: on that, fella and dateline Washington no opposition. On day 259 00:17:52,115 --> 00:17:55,555 Speaker 1: one of the Republican Leadership Conference, Marjorie Trailer park Green 260 00:17:55,635 --> 00:18:00,155 Speaker 1: of all people supporting Kevin McCarthy for speaker, Matt Gates 261 00:18:00,235 --> 00:18:03,755 Speaker 1: comes back with quote, At the first opportunity, he will 262 00:18:03,915 --> 00:18:08,675 Speaker 1: zap her aster than you can say Jewish space laser. Well, 263 00:18:09,755 --> 00:18:14,475 Speaker 1: Matt is their expert on zapping women, isn't he next 264 00:18:14,555 --> 00:18:19,435 Speaker 1: up for the Republican Leadership Conference? Trying to find any leadership? 265 00:18:26,435 --> 00:18:28,475 Speaker 1: I had all there. It is proof that you can 266 00:18:28,555 --> 00:18:30,875 Speaker 1: survive working with me. If you can do that, the 267 00:18:30,915 --> 00:18:34,795 Speaker 1: world could be yours to ex colleagues of mine are 268 00:18:34,875 --> 00:18:37,075 Speaker 1: named to the Media Wayne of Hockey's Hall of Fame. 269 00:18:38,435 --> 00:18:41,155 Speaker 1: Some inside stories about them. First, the daily roundup of 270 00:18:41,155 --> 00:18:44,795 Speaker 1: the miscreants, morons and Dunning Kruger effects specimens who constitute 271 00:18:44,835 --> 00:18:50,795 Speaker 1: today's worst persons in the world. Le Bronze Virginia's Lieutenant 272 00:18:50,835 --> 00:18:55,155 Speaker 1: Governor Winsome Sears. After the nightmare shooting deaths of three 273 00:18:55,235 --> 00:18:58,675 Speaker 1: University of Virginia football players on campus, she tweeted quote 274 00:18:59,035 --> 00:19:03,275 Speaker 1: praying for those at uv A. Her campaign ad for 275 00:19:03,315 --> 00:19:05,235 Speaker 1: the office she now holds was opped with a red 276 00:19:05,235 --> 00:19:11,035 Speaker 1: banner reading conservative marine veteran semper five and advised she's 277 00:19:11,875 --> 00:19:17,195 Speaker 1: against red flag laws and pro Second Amendment. Showed a 278 00:19:17,235 --> 00:19:19,355 Speaker 1: photo of her and a jacket and skirt carrying a 279 00:19:19,395 --> 00:19:24,275 Speaker 1: gun bigger than she is, Madam Lieutenant Governor. Shove your 280 00:19:24,315 --> 00:19:29,195 Speaker 1: prayers the bronze Elon Musk more from his daily suicide 281 00:19:29,235 --> 00:19:32,035 Speaker 1: mission at Twitter, which is so bad now that it 282 00:19:32,075 --> 00:19:34,635 Speaker 1: prompted an n y U professor to predict the site 283 00:19:34,675 --> 00:19:39,115 Speaker 1: will fold by next week. Download those photos now. Musk 284 00:19:39,195 --> 00:19:43,555 Speaker 1: announced he would be turning off the micro services bloat 285 00:19:43,675 --> 00:19:47,955 Speaker 1: where apparently one of the micro services was the two 286 00:19:47,955 --> 00:19:53,155 Speaker 1: party authentication system, which is how you protect your pass 287 00:19:53,195 --> 00:19:56,515 Speaker 1: codes and all the rest of this computer e stuff. 288 00:19:58,475 --> 00:20:02,795 Speaker 1: So lots of those who used two party were locked 289 00:20:02,795 --> 00:20:05,235 Speaker 1: out of their Twitter accounts, at least for a time. 290 00:20:06,035 --> 00:20:09,795 Speaker 1: The latest advertiser to leave Twitter Chrippotle, joining United Airlines 291 00:20:09,915 --> 00:20:13,915 Speaker 1: GM and the people who bring you oreos, but our winner, 292 00:20:13,955 --> 00:20:17,835 Speaker 1: hers shaw Walker, what did he choose to attack Rafael 293 00:20:17,915 --> 00:20:22,675 Speaker 1: Warnock for yesterday? Well for following campaign laws and legally 294 00:20:23,195 --> 00:20:28,515 Speaker 1: taking sixty one thou dollars out to reimburse himself for 295 00:20:28,555 --> 00:20:31,275 Speaker 1: the cost of babysitting and childcare while he was not 296 00:20:31,395 --> 00:20:34,595 Speaker 1: home to look out for his kids, and herschel Walker 297 00:20:34,835 --> 00:20:38,835 Speaker 1: mocked Rafael Warnock for hit This is better with captions, 298 00:20:38,875 --> 00:20:41,755 Speaker 1: of course, although by now I guess most of us 299 00:20:41,795 --> 00:20:46,715 Speaker 1: can comprehend most of herschel is a moron words salad. 300 00:20:46,515 --> 00:20:49,155 Speaker 1: Did he you've paid himself a child care? Oh? That 301 00:20:49,275 --> 00:20:51,075 Speaker 1: stuff all? He keeps his own keys. It's all. I 302 00:20:51,115 --> 00:20:53,075 Speaker 1: have nobody to keep you a kid, You keep it keys. 303 00:20:53,755 --> 00:20:56,315 Speaker 1: Somebody keep my own even though he laughed about me. 304 00:20:56,675 --> 00:20:59,675 Speaker 1: It's okay. It's okay because he trying to get Joe vote. 305 00:21:00,235 --> 00:21:04,035 Speaker 1: Trick you trying to get Joe vote. Why doesn't doesn't 306 00:21:04,075 --> 00:21:08,915 Speaker 1: he keep his own kids? Herschel Walker asks, why doesn't 307 00:21:08,955 --> 00:21:13,875 Speaker 1: he keep his own kids? Which proves my old adage. Yeah, 308 00:21:14,155 --> 00:21:16,035 Speaker 1: you know, maybe you go down in flames, but if 309 00:21:16,075 --> 00:21:19,155 Speaker 1: you do, at least it's warm, herschel I keep my 310 00:21:19,195 --> 00:21:23,195 Speaker 1: own kids. Other than that one and that one over there, 311 00:21:23,795 --> 00:21:27,875 Speaker 1: and the two abortion ones, I'm famous Walker, two Day's 312 00:21:29,035 --> 00:21:44,035 Speaker 1: worst Parson now the world to the number one story 313 00:21:44,035 --> 00:21:46,195 Speaker 1: on the Countdown, and things I promised not to tell 314 00:21:46,235 --> 00:21:49,555 Speaker 1: in my favorite topic. Me and I had no idea 315 00:21:49,635 --> 00:21:52,835 Speaker 1: until yesterday that the writer and broadcaster who went into 316 00:21:52,835 --> 00:21:55,955 Speaker 1: the Hockey Hall of Fame last night, we're almore Ganty, 317 00:21:56,035 --> 00:21:59,475 Speaker 1: winner of the Elmer Ferguson Award and Bill Clement, winner 318 00:21:59,475 --> 00:22:02,395 Speaker 1: of the Foster Hewitt Award. And I understand this is 319 00:22:02,435 --> 00:22:05,715 Speaker 1: as niche as it gets, even considering you are listening 320 00:22:05,755 --> 00:22:09,875 Speaker 1: to this podcast. But Al and Bill make it nine 321 00:22:10,035 --> 00:22:12,595 Speaker 1: award recipients. I have actually worked with, I mean on 322 00:22:12,635 --> 00:22:15,635 Speaker 1: the same show with I worked with each of them 323 00:22:15,675 --> 00:22:18,635 Speaker 1: at ESPN, and I have a good story about working 324 00:22:18,635 --> 00:22:20,755 Speaker 1: with Al more Ganty and a great story about working 325 00:22:20,755 --> 00:22:23,875 Speaker 1: with Bill Clement, and they fit in perfectly here. So 326 00:22:23,955 --> 00:22:26,595 Speaker 1: in l A, I had a source who was the 327 00:22:26,715 --> 00:22:30,515 Speaker 1: Zelig of sports source stories, particularly hockey ones. I have 328 00:22:30,555 --> 00:22:33,555 Speaker 1: mentioned him before. He was the last of the viewers 329 00:22:33,595 --> 00:22:35,995 Speaker 1: who called me up on in August Monday in nineteen 330 00:22:36,075 --> 00:22:38,555 Speaker 1: eighty eight and said, you don't know me, but I 331 00:22:38,595 --> 00:22:41,355 Speaker 1: can tell you. Bruce mcnal just traded the farm for 332 00:22:41,435 --> 00:22:44,755 Speaker 1: Wayne Gretzky. And not only was he right, but he 333 00:22:44,835 --> 00:22:47,355 Speaker 1: got his ex wife on the phone. And his ex 334 00:22:47,395 --> 00:22:50,315 Speaker 1: wife was the one who signed the check that the 335 00:22:50,435 --> 00:22:52,995 Speaker 1: Kings gave to the owner of Gretzky's old team, the 336 00:22:53,075 --> 00:22:57,835 Speaker 1: Edmonton Oilers. So six years later, the phone rings, not 337 00:22:57,995 --> 00:23:00,395 Speaker 1: now in l a but at my desk in ESPN 338 00:23:00,435 --> 00:23:03,035 Speaker 1: and Bristol, Connecticut. It's him again. And I know him, 339 00:23:03,115 --> 00:23:05,635 Speaker 1: and he's tipped me on many small stories, and we've 340 00:23:05,635 --> 00:23:08,355 Speaker 1: had dinner. But something sounds wrong with him on the phone. 341 00:23:08,555 --> 00:23:12,715 Speaker 1: He's out of breath, and I say, Clyde, we'll call him, Clyde. Clyde, 342 00:23:12,795 --> 00:23:14,835 Speaker 1: what's wrong? Why are you out of breath? And he says, 343 00:23:15,075 --> 00:23:17,875 Speaker 1: I'm I'm at the gym. I just got off the 344 00:23:17,915 --> 00:23:21,875 Speaker 1: StairMaster to to come back here to call you. You'll 345 00:23:21,955 --> 00:23:27,995 Speaker 1: never leave this. Mariomu is retiring for at least a year. 346 00:23:28,995 --> 00:23:33,115 Speaker 1: Mario Lemieux is just about Gretzky level. Famous in hockey 347 00:23:33,155 --> 00:23:37,115 Speaker 1: if you don't know, and particularly then in and moreover, 348 00:23:37,195 --> 00:23:40,435 Speaker 1: he had just come back from not merely a devastating 349 00:23:40,475 --> 00:23:45,235 Speaker 1: back injury, but also Hodgkins lymphoma. And while he got 350 00:23:45,275 --> 00:23:48,955 Speaker 1: twenty two radiation treatments in one month for Hodgkins lymphoma, 351 00:23:49,035 --> 00:23:52,355 Speaker 1: and the last one was on March sec at seven 352 00:23:52,395 --> 00:23:54,195 Speaker 1: thirty in the morning in Pittsburgh, and the son of 353 00:23:54,195 --> 00:23:57,915 Speaker 1: a gun immediately got on a plane for Philadelphia and 354 00:23:57,995 --> 00:24:00,795 Speaker 1: played for the Pittsburgh Penguins that night, and the Philly fans, who, 355 00:24:00,795 --> 00:24:03,915 Speaker 1: as the cliche goes, once booed Santa. The Philly fans 356 00:24:03,915 --> 00:24:06,195 Speaker 1: gave him a standing ovation and he scores a goal 357 00:24:07,355 --> 00:24:09,595 Speaker 1: the same day as the last of twenty two radiation 358 00:24:09,635 --> 00:24:14,715 Speaker 1: treatments in a month. He's retiring, I asked Clyde in disbelieve, 359 00:24:14,755 --> 00:24:18,075 Speaker 1: how do you know. So Clyde says, he's at the gym. 360 00:24:18,075 --> 00:24:20,395 Speaker 1: He's on the StairMaster. He's wearing an l A King's 361 00:24:20,435 --> 00:24:21,915 Speaker 1: T shirt. And the guy next to him on the 362 00:24:21,955 --> 00:24:26,715 Speaker 1: next StairMaster says, you hockey guy, and Clyde says yes, 363 00:24:27,075 --> 00:24:30,235 Speaker 1: and the guy blurts out, my dad is Mario Lemieuse agent, 364 00:24:30,395 --> 00:24:32,715 Speaker 1: and he just told me Mario is going to retire 365 00:24:32,835 --> 00:24:36,675 Speaker 1: for at least a year because of the cancer. And 366 00:24:36,795 --> 00:24:40,755 Speaker 1: my heart sinks, and it's like Clyde, here's my heart sinking. 367 00:24:40,795 --> 00:24:42,555 Speaker 1: He says, no, no, no, that's what I thought. He 368 00:24:42,595 --> 00:24:45,355 Speaker 1: doesn't have the Hodgkins again. He's just so worn out 369 00:24:45,595 --> 00:24:47,955 Speaker 1: from the radiation and the playing and the back injury 370 00:24:47,955 --> 00:24:49,915 Speaker 1: and the rehab and the exercise and the workouts and 371 00:24:49,955 --> 00:24:52,675 Speaker 1: the travel. He's going to sit out the season. And 372 00:24:52,715 --> 00:24:55,035 Speaker 1: I mean, this is solid. This is the agent son. 373 00:24:55,115 --> 00:24:59,155 Speaker 1: This is Tom Rich's son. I said, I didn't believe him. 374 00:24:59,195 --> 00:25:01,675 Speaker 1: Clyde tells me, so he showed me his jim I 375 00:25:01,795 --> 00:25:05,595 Speaker 1: D card. It's Tom Rich's son. All right. This is 376 00:25:05,595 --> 00:25:08,995 Speaker 1: why Clyde, and we will call him Clyde, is really zillig. 377 00:25:09,675 --> 00:25:12,435 Speaker 1: This happens to him like once a year, somebody just 378 00:25:12,475 --> 00:25:14,675 Speaker 1: walks up and gives him a story. I will want. 379 00:25:15,435 --> 00:25:17,555 Speaker 1: I say, well, thanks, let me get confirmation on it. 380 00:25:17,595 --> 00:25:21,835 Speaker 1: Clyde is offended, rightfully so, and he says, the agent 381 00:25:21,915 --> 00:25:24,995 Speaker 1: telling his son who is also an agent, is not confirmation. 382 00:25:25,475 --> 00:25:29,395 Speaker 1: And I explained the ESPN rules. And this is ninety four. 383 00:25:29,515 --> 00:25:32,635 Speaker 1: Remember if this worked today, in the time I will 384 00:25:32,675 --> 00:25:35,715 Speaker 1: now take to explain to you the rules, they would 385 00:25:35,715 --> 00:25:39,115 Speaker 1: have had me tweet Mario Lemieux retiring sources and then 386 00:25:39,115 --> 00:25:41,235 Speaker 1: gone on Sports Center and then written something up for 387 00:25:41,235 --> 00:25:44,475 Speaker 1: the website. Get it done. In the next minute. But 388 00:25:44,555 --> 00:25:47,515 Speaker 1: in nineteen nine four, journalism rules still prevailed with this 389 00:25:47,555 --> 00:25:51,675 Speaker 1: stuff unless it was first person, meaning unless Mario Lemieux 390 00:25:51,835 --> 00:25:55,755 Speaker 1: called me himself and said, hey, Keith, I'm retiring and 391 00:25:55,795 --> 00:25:57,955 Speaker 1: you can report it, but you can't tell him I 392 00:25:58,035 --> 00:26:01,075 Speaker 1: told you, and he's willing to confirm that he called 393 00:26:01,075 --> 00:26:04,195 Speaker 1: me to one of my bosses. Unless it's first person, 394 00:26:05,715 --> 00:26:07,675 Speaker 1: I still have to get a second source, and the 395 00:26:07,755 --> 00:26:10,915 Speaker 1: second source cannot be connected to the first source. So 396 00:26:10,955 --> 00:26:14,675 Speaker 1: if the first source is Mario Lemieuse agent's son who 397 00:26:14,715 --> 00:26:18,915 Speaker 1: is also an agent, I can't get confirmation from Mario 398 00:26:19,035 --> 00:26:23,235 Speaker 1: Lemieuse real agent his dad. I can't get it from 399 00:26:23,315 --> 00:26:26,155 Speaker 1: Lemieuse publicist. It's got to be from the team or 400 00:26:26,235 --> 00:26:30,035 Speaker 1: a doctor or or I don't know from whom. So 401 00:26:30,115 --> 00:26:31,875 Speaker 1: I go to the show producer and I say, this 402 00:26:31,915 --> 00:26:34,115 Speaker 1: is kind of important, and this is also from the 403 00:26:34,115 --> 00:26:35,875 Speaker 1: guy who gave me the Gretzky trade. And he says, 404 00:26:35,915 --> 00:26:38,435 Speaker 1: that's great, but you know the rules, And I say, 405 00:26:38,515 --> 00:26:40,835 Speaker 1: I know what, we'll get beaten on this. You know 406 00:26:40,915 --> 00:26:44,475 Speaker 1: that we're not on till eleven o'clock. And he says, well, 407 00:26:45,235 --> 00:26:46,995 Speaker 1: go to one of the executives and That's when it 408 00:26:47,075 --> 00:26:52,595 Speaker 1: hits me. That weekend, the executives are having a management retreat, 409 00:26:52,835 --> 00:26:57,275 Speaker 1: unlike Martha's Vineyard, all of them, every person who could 410 00:26:57,275 --> 00:27:01,115 Speaker 1: waive the second source rule is on Martha's Vineyard, and 411 00:27:01,115 --> 00:27:04,635 Speaker 1: they're all wearing identical shirts and chanting. And once I'm 412 00:27:04,755 --> 00:27:06,595 Speaker 1: mention it to one of them, they will all know 413 00:27:06,675 --> 00:27:08,475 Speaker 1: about it, and they will all talk to each other 414 00:27:08,515 --> 00:27:10,035 Speaker 1: about it, and they will all want to talk to 415 00:27:10,075 --> 00:27:12,115 Speaker 1: me about it. And if I wanted that kind of treatment, 416 00:27:12,155 --> 00:27:14,075 Speaker 1: I would anchor the six o'clock Sports Center, not the 417 00:27:14,075 --> 00:27:16,395 Speaker 1: eleven o'clock Sports Center. Who wants to work all day 418 00:27:16,395 --> 00:27:19,675 Speaker 1: with all the managers around. So I'm trying to get 419 00:27:19,675 --> 00:27:22,475 Speaker 1: a second source, and I'm trying to talk to as 420 00:27:22,515 --> 00:27:24,515 Speaker 1: many of them as I can on Martha's Vineyard. And 421 00:27:24,555 --> 00:27:26,395 Speaker 1: I still have to write the Sunday Sports Center script. 422 00:27:26,435 --> 00:27:30,355 Speaker 1: It's about five pm. We are on at eleven. So 423 00:27:30,395 --> 00:27:31,995 Speaker 1: I call, and I call, and I call, and I 424 00:27:32,035 --> 00:27:34,435 Speaker 1: call the hockey people I know, and our hockey maven 425 00:27:34,435 --> 00:27:38,355 Speaker 1: our reporter who breaks news for ESPN in is al 426 00:27:38,435 --> 00:27:42,395 Speaker 1: more Ganty, hall of famer who went into the Hall 427 00:27:42,435 --> 00:27:44,635 Speaker 1: of Fame last night, And I call him and he says, wow, 428 00:27:44,715 --> 00:27:47,475 Speaker 1: let me jump on this. And the producers call all 429 00:27:47,475 --> 00:27:50,435 Speaker 1: the hockey people they know, but this is summer and 430 00:27:50,475 --> 00:27:54,915 Speaker 1: they are out doing non ice things and there's no email. 431 00:27:54,995 --> 00:27:58,635 Speaker 1: It's there are facts is and you don't want to 432 00:27:58,635 --> 00:28:00,715 Speaker 1: put this in writing anyway. You don't even put it 433 00:28:00,755 --> 00:28:06,075 Speaker 1: in writing in the ESPN computer. You call people alcohol's background. Seven. 434 00:28:06,115 --> 00:28:07,315 Speaker 1: He says, I got through to a guy who I 435 00:28:07,435 --> 00:28:10,875 Speaker 1: know connected to Lamu's team, the Penguins, and he says 436 00:28:10,915 --> 00:28:13,075 Speaker 1: I heard something about him considering this, but that's all 437 00:28:13,155 --> 00:28:16,395 Speaker 1: I know. So now I try all the executives with that, 438 00:28:16,515 --> 00:28:19,235 Speaker 1: and they say not good enough. And every five minutes 439 00:28:19,275 --> 00:28:21,595 Speaker 1: I'm checking the Associated Press news wire to see if 440 00:28:21,635 --> 00:28:23,675 Speaker 1: they have scooped us. And I'm trying to write the 441 00:28:23,795 --> 00:28:27,075 Speaker 1: highlights for some tennis tournament rotter Dam, and the clock 442 00:28:27,235 --> 00:28:32,515 Speaker 1: is going tick tick tick tick tick. It's ten. There's 443 00:28:32,515 --> 00:28:36,315 Speaker 1: a script already and written and highlights edited of Mario 444 00:28:36,515 --> 00:28:39,155 Speaker 1: Lemieux and the whole thing for money came back after radiation, 445 00:28:39,515 --> 00:28:42,235 Speaker 1: and almore, Ganty has gone to a studio and recorded 446 00:28:42,315 --> 00:28:44,675 Speaker 1: a what does this mean for the Penguins and what 447 00:28:44,835 --> 00:28:47,355 Speaker 1: does this mean for the NHL? Sound bite for US 448 00:28:47,835 --> 00:28:50,195 Speaker 1: that we can run, but we still don't have the 449 00:28:50,275 --> 00:28:53,315 Speaker 1: second source. And we are on in fifteen minutes, and 450 00:28:53,355 --> 00:28:57,115 Speaker 1: I'm ready to punch walls and the phone rings in 451 00:28:57,155 --> 00:28:59,675 Speaker 1: the main Sports Center writing area where I am standing 452 00:28:59,715 --> 00:29:01,275 Speaker 1: because I haven't been able to sit down in half 453 00:29:01,275 --> 00:29:04,275 Speaker 1: an hour. And the production assistant shouts, Al more Ganty 454 00:29:04,355 --> 00:29:05,555 Speaker 1: for you, and I pick it up and he says, 455 00:29:05,715 --> 00:29:07,155 Speaker 1: I got it. I got it. I got hold of 456 00:29:07,235 --> 00:29:11,035 Speaker 1: Rick Tocket. Rick Tocett now does the studio show for 457 00:29:11,155 --> 00:29:14,195 Speaker 1: Turner Hockey, but he was a very good, very tough 458 00:29:14,355 --> 00:29:17,355 Speaker 1: player in the nineties, and he had just been traded 459 00:29:17,435 --> 00:29:21,355 Speaker 1: by Lemieu's team, the Pittsburgh Penguins, And I say, well, great, Al, 460 00:29:21,435 --> 00:29:23,475 Speaker 1: but what on earth does Rick Tocett have to do 461 00:29:23,595 --> 00:29:26,915 Speaker 1: with this? And more Ganny says, Tackett told me when 462 00:29:26,955 --> 00:29:29,435 Speaker 1: they traded him. He asked why. He said, I thought 463 00:29:29,475 --> 00:29:31,155 Speaker 1: you liked what I did here, and they told him 464 00:29:31,435 --> 00:29:34,395 Speaker 1: we did, but we had to get you in this 465 00:29:34,595 --> 00:29:37,395 Speaker 1: deal to l A because l A wouldn't give up 466 00:29:37,435 --> 00:29:40,475 Speaker 1: Luke Roboti. And we have to get Luke Roboti because 467 00:29:40,515 --> 00:29:42,635 Speaker 1: guess what, Mario was too exhausted to play this year 468 00:29:42,635 --> 00:29:45,315 Speaker 1: and we need Roboti to score the goals that Mario 469 00:29:45,555 --> 00:29:50,475 Speaker 1: can't and you can't either confirmation. So we it's now 470 00:29:50,675 --> 00:29:53,715 Speaker 1: ten fifty. We're on in ten minutes. The studio is 471 00:29:53,715 --> 00:29:56,595 Speaker 1: a five minute run from the newsroom, and I conference 472 00:29:56,675 --> 00:29:59,075 Speaker 1: al and we call the managers at the retreat at 473 00:29:59,115 --> 00:30:01,835 Speaker 1: Martha's Vineyard. And I call and they are in a 474 00:30:01,995 --> 00:30:07,035 Speaker 1: meditation session or or it's a trust exercise. Are there 475 00:30:07,035 --> 00:30:11,155 Speaker 1: building a human pyramid? I always thought the human pyramid 476 00:30:11,235 --> 00:30:14,275 Speaker 1: one was the likeliest, or it's a vow of silence. 477 00:30:14,555 --> 00:30:16,515 Speaker 1: And I start screaming and telling them what to do 478 00:30:16,595 --> 00:30:18,875 Speaker 1: with their trust exercise, and finally they get one of 479 00:30:18,915 --> 00:30:20,915 Speaker 1: them to get on the phone and more Ganty tells 480 00:30:20,955 --> 00:30:23,115 Speaker 1: them what Takeet told him, and the guy goes, okay, 481 00:30:23,195 --> 00:30:25,155 Speaker 1: you can go with it, and I run to the studio. 482 00:30:25,915 --> 00:30:28,595 Speaker 1: I could still run in, and I'm thinking, when I 483 00:30:28,675 --> 00:30:31,115 Speaker 1: read this story, I'm gonna sound like Clyde did when 484 00:30:31,155 --> 00:30:33,275 Speaker 1: he got off the freaking treadmill to call me with 485 00:30:33,475 --> 00:30:37,315 Speaker 1: this story. And we break the news and people are 486 00:30:37,315 --> 00:30:40,355 Speaker 1: astonished by this, and six minutes later the Associated Press 487 00:30:40,395 --> 00:30:42,675 Speaker 1: puts out the story with the exact same details. And 488 00:30:42,755 --> 00:30:45,115 Speaker 1: today all I can think about is we had to 489 00:30:45,195 --> 00:30:49,715 Speaker 1: get a second source. It took six hours. We had 490 00:30:49,875 --> 00:30:54,715 Speaker 1: six hours, and we almost lost the scoop because they 491 00:30:54,755 --> 00:30:58,115 Speaker 1: were building a human pyramid out of ESPN executives on 492 00:30:58,195 --> 00:31:03,315 Speaker 1: Martha's vineyard. So that's the al more Ganty story. The 493 00:31:03,355 --> 00:31:06,875 Speaker 1: Bill Clement story, also Hall of Famer, is shorter and funnier. 494 00:31:07,435 --> 00:31:10,755 Speaker 1: He and Gary Thorne were the a team when ESPN 495 00:31:10,795 --> 00:31:13,435 Speaker 1: had virtually all of the national telecasts of hockey in 496 00:31:13,435 --> 00:31:16,955 Speaker 1: the nineteen nineties. And Gary is great at baseball, but 497 00:31:17,075 --> 00:31:20,195 Speaker 1: he was born for hockey. There is not a moment 498 00:31:20,355 --> 00:31:22,995 Speaker 1: of a hockey game, as described by Gary Thorne that 499 00:31:23,075 --> 00:31:26,395 Speaker 1: has about a thrill unparalleled. And he has a voice 500 00:31:26,515 --> 00:31:29,115 Speaker 1: like the public address system at Grand Central Station in 501 00:31:29,195 --> 00:31:34,955 Speaker 1: New York, only it's louder and more reliable and inexhaustible. 502 00:31:36,035 --> 00:31:39,715 Speaker 1: Dary Thorne, and he's doing a New York Rangers game 503 00:31:39,835 --> 00:31:42,875 Speaker 1: on ESPN with Bill Clement at Madison Square Garden, and 504 00:31:42,915 --> 00:31:46,235 Speaker 1: the Rangers at this point have a player named Sergio Momesso. 505 00:31:47,075 --> 00:31:49,755 Speaker 1: Sergio Momesso is now a broadcaster on the radio for 506 00:31:49,795 --> 00:31:53,075 Speaker 1: the Montreal Canadians, and in this game, the puck hits 507 00:31:53,155 --> 00:31:56,235 Speaker 1: Sergio Momesso and bounces off of him into the stands 508 00:31:56,275 --> 00:31:58,595 Speaker 1: and they whistle play dead, and it's a TV time out. 509 00:31:59,275 --> 00:32:01,915 Speaker 1: Sure enough, we're gonna go to commercial, and Gary says, 510 00:32:02,475 --> 00:32:05,715 Speaker 1: and the shot goes into the stands after hitting Sergio Mimosa. 511 00:32:06,235 --> 00:32:11,835 Speaker 1: We'll take a break. Mimosa, he called him Mimosa. We 512 00:32:11,955 --> 00:32:15,635 Speaker 1: all heard it. A roar of laughter broke open in 513 00:32:15,675 --> 00:32:18,875 Speaker 1: the Sports Center area. Well, it happens. I've done it. 514 00:32:19,355 --> 00:32:24,275 Speaker 1: Maybe not Mimosa from me Messo, but close enough. And 515 00:32:24,395 --> 00:32:26,635 Speaker 1: they play the theme music and just before the break 516 00:32:26,715 --> 00:32:29,355 Speaker 1: you here on the air before they go to the commercial, 517 00:32:29,395 --> 00:32:33,195 Speaker 1: Bill Clement says, and that butter smooth voice of his, Well, 518 00:32:33,275 --> 00:32:35,395 Speaker 1: I think we could all use a drink after that, 519 00:32:35,515 --> 00:32:37,875 Speaker 1: play Gary, And right then they go to the break. 520 00:32:39,595 --> 00:32:42,955 Speaker 1: So what the audience here's is on the shot goes 521 00:32:42,995 --> 00:32:46,315 Speaker 1: into the stands after hitting Sergio Mosa, We'll take a break. 522 00:32:46,835 --> 00:32:48,555 Speaker 1: I think we could all use a drink after that, 523 00:32:48,635 --> 00:32:52,235 Speaker 1: play Gary. That's what the audience here is. But in 524 00:32:52,275 --> 00:32:54,475 Speaker 1: the Sports Center studios, we are watching the game, not 525 00:32:54,595 --> 00:32:57,115 Speaker 1: as it appears to the viewer, but on a direct 526 00:32:57,235 --> 00:33:00,315 Speaker 1: feed from Madison Square Garden and our little booth there, 527 00:33:00,795 --> 00:33:02,915 Speaker 1: and the mics are still open even though they're in 528 00:33:02,995 --> 00:33:06,235 Speaker 1: commercial and Gary thorn right. He says, thanks a lot, Bill, 529 00:33:06,515 --> 00:33:09,275 Speaker 1: that's a teammate covering for me, like you never screwed 530 00:33:09,355 --> 00:33:12,355 Speaker 1: up a name. And then there's this weird sound like 531 00:33:12,475 --> 00:33:16,275 Speaker 1: a grunt, but like a grunt getting quieter, and the 532 00:33:16,355 --> 00:33:18,755 Speaker 1: mics are still open, and we hear Bill Clement say 533 00:33:19,635 --> 00:33:24,155 Speaker 1: truck attention in the truck. Yeah, Gary will need a 534 00:33:24,235 --> 00:33:29,555 Speaker 1: new headset. He has thrown his into the stands. I 535 00:33:29,715 --> 00:33:32,955 Speaker 1: hear this, and I take off for the highlight room 536 00:33:33,875 --> 00:33:37,195 Speaker 1: where they record everything, because I want this tape. The 537 00:33:37,315 --> 00:33:41,515 Speaker 1: highlight room known as screening we're screaming, depending on how 538 00:33:41,595 --> 00:33:44,915 Speaker 1: busy it is, is beyond the studio. So if, like 539 00:33:45,035 --> 00:33:47,155 Speaker 1: I mentioned, the studio is a five minute run from 540 00:33:47,195 --> 00:33:49,315 Speaker 1: where I am, the highlight room is a six minute run. 541 00:33:49,475 --> 00:33:50,955 Speaker 1: And I go as fast as I can, and I 542 00:33:50,995 --> 00:33:53,035 Speaker 1: get there, and I know the production assistant who was 543 00:33:53,115 --> 00:33:55,315 Speaker 1: recording the game and selecting the highlights, and he looks 544 00:33:55,355 --> 00:33:58,515 Speaker 1: at me and he says, I'm sorry. I knew you'd 545 00:33:58,555 --> 00:34:01,875 Speaker 1: come down here for this. They already made me burn back. 546 00:34:03,355 --> 00:34:09,635 Speaker 1: Burned back, of course, means erasing. They erased this interchange, 547 00:34:09,715 --> 00:34:14,795 Speaker 1: including j Gary saying Mimosa on the air never mind 548 00:34:14,835 --> 00:34:18,395 Speaker 1: what happened in the commercial. And they've done this, of course, 549 00:34:18,435 --> 00:34:20,635 Speaker 1: so little devils like me can't get the recording of 550 00:34:20,715 --> 00:34:24,435 Speaker 1: Gary Thorne calling Sergio Momesso, Sergio Mimosa and Bill Colemant 551 00:34:24,595 --> 00:34:27,155 Speaker 1: goofing on him, and Gary ripping Bill in response, and 552 00:34:27,275 --> 00:34:29,795 Speaker 1: Gary throwing his headset out of the booth, and Bill 553 00:34:29,875 --> 00:34:33,315 Speaker 1: mentioning that Gary will need a new one. So, to 554 00:34:33,475 --> 00:34:37,515 Speaker 1: my knowledge, the tape of this does not exist anymore. 555 00:34:39,315 --> 00:34:42,635 Speaker 1: Two postscripts, Gary Thorne should get the hue At Award. Two, 556 00:34:42,675 --> 00:34:43,875 Speaker 1: he should be in the Hall of Fame. And if 557 00:34:43,875 --> 00:34:46,395 Speaker 1: you're listening, Gary, since I told that story about you, 558 00:34:47,155 --> 00:34:50,155 Speaker 1: let me tell the parallel one about me. When I 559 00:34:50,275 --> 00:34:54,195 Speaker 1: met Jeff Daniels after he started in Aaron Sorkin's newsroom 560 00:34:54,275 --> 00:34:57,395 Speaker 1: and had spent much of the publicity tour for newsroom 561 00:34:57,795 --> 00:35:01,675 Speaker 1: explaining to people that he was not portraying me. Jeff 562 00:35:01,755 --> 00:35:04,515 Speaker 1: Daniels was very solicitous about it, just as nice as 563 00:35:04,715 --> 00:35:06,355 Speaker 1: would hope he would be. And he said, listen, I 564 00:35:06,475 --> 00:35:09,035 Speaker 1: knew it was you, but I didn't want people to 565 00:35:09,155 --> 00:35:11,595 Speaker 1: know that it was you because I knew, but they 566 00:35:11,675 --> 00:35:14,515 Speaker 1: didn't know, and you didn't know that Like an episode 567 00:35:14,595 --> 00:35:17,875 Speaker 1: four I picked up my BlackBerry and threw it at 568 00:35:17,915 --> 00:35:20,195 Speaker 1: the camera. And I didn't want anybody to think you 569 00:35:20,355 --> 00:35:22,635 Speaker 1: picked up your BlackBerry and threw it at the camera. 570 00:35:24,195 --> 00:35:26,555 Speaker 1: And I looked at him in confusion and surprise, and 571 00:35:26,675 --> 00:35:29,475 Speaker 1: I must confess probably not a little sense of hurt. 572 00:35:30,515 --> 00:35:34,995 Speaker 1: But Jeff I said, of course, I picked up my 573 00:35:35,075 --> 00:35:37,635 Speaker 1: BlackBerry and threw it at the camera. Where do you 574 00:35:37,675 --> 00:35:55,195 Speaker 1: think Sarkin got that idea? Okay, to be fair, there 575 00:35:55,315 --> 00:35:58,075 Speaker 1: was nobody operating the camera. I threw the BlackBerry at 576 00:35:59,995 --> 00:36:02,155 Speaker 1: but there were swear words. I've done all the damage 577 00:36:02,195 --> 00:36:04,915 Speaker 1: I can do here and without throwing a BlackBerry. Thanks 578 00:36:04,955 --> 00:36:07,595 Speaker 1: for listening. Follow the podcast. If you can tell a friend, 579 00:36:07,675 --> 00:36:10,195 Speaker 1: Tell a stranger. Here are the credits. Most of the music, 580 00:36:10,275 --> 00:36:13,075 Speaker 1: including our theme here from Beethoven's Ninth, was arranged, produced 581 00:36:13,115 --> 00:36:15,955 Speaker 1: and performed by Brian Ray and John Philip Chanelle. They 582 00:36:15,955 --> 00:36:19,475 Speaker 1: are the Countdown musical directors. All orchestration and keyboards by 583 00:36:19,555 --> 00:36:23,355 Speaker 1: John Philip s Chanelle. Guitars, bass and drums by Brian Ray. 584 00:36:23,675 --> 00:36:27,675 Speaker 1: Produced by t KO Brothers Our Beethoven. Selections of other 585 00:36:27,795 --> 00:36:29,795 Speaker 1: kinds have been arranged and performed by the group No 586 00:36:29,995 --> 00:36:33,315 Speaker 1: Horns Allowed. The sports music is the Olberman theme from 587 00:36:33,515 --> 00:36:36,355 Speaker 1: ESPN two. It was written by Mitch Warren Davis Fear's 588 00:36:36,395 --> 00:36:40,635 Speaker 1: courtesy of ESPN Inc. She's a really still upset that 589 00:36:40,715 --> 00:36:45,475 Speaker 1: tape doesn't exist anymore anyway. Musical comments by Nancy Faust. 590 00:36:45,515 --> 00:36:48,515 Speaker 1: The best baseball stadium organist ever at our announcer today 591 00:36:48,595 --> 00:36:51,875 Speaker 1: was Tony Kornheiser. Everything else was pretty much my fault. 592 00:36:52,915 --> 00:36:55,555 Speaker 1: Let's countdown for this the six and seventy ninth day 593 00:36:55,635 --> 00:36:59,155 Speaker 1: since Donald Trump's first attempted coup against the democratically elected 594 00:36:59,235 --> 00:37:01,635 Speaker 1: government of the United States. Arrest him now while we 595 00:37:01,755 --> 00:37:07,195 Speaker 1: still can a new episode tomorrow. Until then, I'm Sergio Mimosa. 596 00:37:07,395 --> 00:37:15,115 Speaker 1: Good morning, good afternoon, good night, and good luck. Countdown 597 00:37:15,235 --> 00:37:18,195 Speaker 1: with Keith old Woman is a production of I heart Radio. 598 00:37:18,515 --> 00:37:21,395 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from I heart Radio, visit the i 599 00:37:21,555 --> 00:37:25,875 Speaker 1: heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.