WEBVTT - Dusty Baker Opens Up on Highs and Lows from Life in Baseball

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, everybody, and welcome to Dirt from the Dugout, the

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<v Speaker 1>latest edition, along with my buddy Justin muse Alum Karl Ravich.

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<v Speaker 2>I know this.

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<v Speaker 1>We've had such a good time so far on this thing,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm not sure I've been more excited about a

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<v Speaker 1>particular guest than I am tonight when we bring on

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<v Speaker 1>Dusty Baker.

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<v Speaker 2>Justin. This guy will tell you.

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<v Speaker 1>Stories today you can't believe, and all of them are true.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm excited.

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<v Speaker 4>Man.

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<v Speaker 3>We've had a good run and I've been looking forward

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<v Speaker 3>to talking with Dusty a lot more.

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<v Speaker 2>Man.

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<v Speaker 3>This is going to be fine.

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<v Speaker 2>It's gonna be fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Just a reminder for everybody, please ask questions that you

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<v Speaker 1>want us to ask Dusty, and we promised to get

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<v Speaker 1>to it. Will be with Dusty for about forty five

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<v Speaker 1>minutes to one hour. Get your questions into the chat.

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<v Speaker 1>And beyond his baseball story and life story and journey,

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<v Speaker 1>He's written a book, Justin, and I know you've seen it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's called Crossroads, and it really is all about everything

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<v Speaker 1>that Dusty has done in his life. I've got a

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<v Speaker 1>chance to look through the entire book and it touches

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<v Speaker 1>on things a you didn't know about Dusty. It touched

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<v Speaker 1>on things that I did know about Dusty but didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know the detail of the depth of it, from his

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<v Speaker 1>days as a kid, to the people that he I'm

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<v Speaker 1>out with, to the musicians he knew, to the relationships

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<v Speaker 1>with his mom and with his dad and with his

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<v Speaker 1>son Darren, to presidents, to the people that were living

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<v Speaker 1>underneath bridges. That this is the type of eclectic, wonderful

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<v Speaker 1>human being that Dusty is. So we'll get to all

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<v Speaker 1>the baseball, but we're gonna touch on all these things

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<v Speaker 1>because I think there's so many valuable life lessons that

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<v Speaker 1>Dusty has learned that can help the parents and the

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<v Speaker 1>players that we have as part of our great team here.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and if anyone has any questions as we go,

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<v Speaker 3>just throw them into the chat on YouTube and we

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<v Speaker 3>will try to get to as many as we can,

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<v Speaker 3>and we will get to them as we go throughout

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<v Speaker 3>the whole show Man. It's fun to see the different questions.

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<v Speaker 3>There's some great questions doesn't have to be baseball related.

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<v Speaker 3>Dusty's open to talking about anything, you know, maybe about

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<v Speaker 3>his roses or something, you know, maybe there'll be some

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<v Speaker 3>questions about that.

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<v Speaker 1>His roses is one. Let's bring them in. Let's get

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<v Speaker 1>Dusty Baker, the future Hall of Famer, into Dirk from

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<v Speaker 1>the dugout there he is, hello, man, Hello Dusty, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>hi man, how you doing How?

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<v Speaker 2>I am doing great? I am doing great. Your your clause?

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<v Speaker 2>I retired.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you're a special advisor for the Giants. You

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<v Speaker 1>just managed Team Nick or Walgo in the WBC. But

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<v Speaker 1>look at how relaxed you look compared to Justin and me.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, hey man, you know, I'm trying to live a

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<v Speaker 2>relaxed life, trying to stay busy at the same time.

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<v Speaker 2>And uh, you know, life's good. I mean know, life's

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<v Speaker 2>real good. And uh you know I can spend time

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<v Speaker 2>with my grandsons four and six. I can I get

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<v Speaker 2>to go to the ballpark the river Cats twice a

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<v Speaker 2>month here in Sacramento, Uh you know, to watch the

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<v Speaker 2>Triple A. And I go to San Francisco twice a month,

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<v Speaker 2>and I spend time at the winery. So hey man,

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<v Speaker 2>life is good. Life is good. It's good to hear.

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<v Speaker 2>That's really good to hear.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know all about Darren. It's great to hear

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<v Speaker 1>about your grandkids as well. For the people that are

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<v Speaker 1>on here, Dusty. This is about trying to help them

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<v Speaker 1>with the advice you can give for parents of players

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<v Speaker 1>at really any age and their baseball journey. Nobody has

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<v Speaker 1>had as a unique journey. I don't think as you have.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it's a broad question, but when you look

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<v Speaker 1>back on your baseball life, is there a way that

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<v Speaker 1>you can kind of summarize it to open some doors

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<v Speaker 1>that we can then go down to talk about for

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<v Speaker 1>the people at home.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's good question, you know. Number One, I was

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<v Speaker 2>a twenty fifth round draft choice and they're only twenty

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<v Speaker 2>six rounds and a lot of teams told me there

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<v Speaker 2>after I made it that they were going to draft

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<v Speaker 2>me in the next round, So that left one round

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<v Speaker 2>for the other twenty something teams. But the thing about

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<v Speaker 2>it is I was so fortunate to, you know, to

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<v Speaker 2>get drafted by the Braves, which I did not want

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<v Speaker 2>to get drafted by the Braves because that was a

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<v Speaker 2>time of civil unrests nineteen sixty seven. There was freedom marches,

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<v Speaker 2>they were you know, piece and love. There was anti Vietnam,

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<v Speaker 2>there was an anti conformity completely around the country. And

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<v Speaker 2>I get drafted by the Braves, met the Great Hank

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<v Speaker 2>Aaron and he told me said, hey, Dussie, if you

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<v Speaker 2>have enough confidence in yourself to you know, to be

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<v Speaker 2>in the big leagues by the time year your graduating

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<v Speaker 2>class would have graduated from college and signed. If not

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<v Speaker 2>go to college and then lo and behold here I was.

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<v Speaker 2>I was in the big league next year at nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>years old. And you know, they made me feel, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like they excuse me, like I belong. You know, they

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<v Speaker 2>were guys on the team, Felipe Alou, Joe Tory, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Rico Cardi, Bob Tillman, Cleete Boyer. I have a picture, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they took me and Ralph out to the

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<v Speaker 2>Playboy Club when we were our first week in the

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<v Speaker 2>in the big leagues in Atlanta, and he brought us

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<v Speaker 2>a suit and uh. And I kept this polaroid and

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<v Speaker 2>I sent it to my buddy. I was like, man,

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<v Speaker 2>my best buddy that I went to high school, and

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<v Speaker 2>I said, man, this is the big leagues. And uh

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<v Speaker 2>in that picture. In that picture was Ralph Guard, myself,

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<v Speaker 2>Cleat Bowyer and and and Bob Uker. And so that

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<v Speaker 2>was my introduction, you know, to the big leagues. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>The main thing is is that it only takes one

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<v Speaker 2>person to like you. And the person that liked me

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<v Speaker 2>was Bill White, because not many people believed in me. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>The general manager, who was Paul Richards, trusted Bill White's

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<v Speaker 2>judgment and and he said that, uh, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>played all four sports trying to be like Bobby Bonds.

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<v Speaker 2>I grew up I lizing Bobby Bonds, my dad and

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<v Speaker 2>Bobby's the league coaching. And he said that if he

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<v Speaker 2>if I could take all those uh love for the

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<v Speaker 2>sports and and talent and and and and and take

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<v Speaker 2>and put them into one one sport, that I could

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<v Speaker 2>be something. And my dad told me that if I

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<v Speaker 2>changed my attitude and and shorten my temper, that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I could do anything that I wanted to do.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's press pause because there's a billion things

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<v Speaker 1>that you just talked out there. So well, your dad,

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<v Speaker 1>your dad was Bobby Bond's.

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<v Speaker 2>Littlea coach, Yeah for real. And so that's unbelievable. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know that. Yeah, And I and then Bobby's

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<v Speaker 2>mom baby sat me. And then Bobby's sister, older sister Rosie,

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<v Speaker 2>who went to the Olympics, she baby sat me too,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and so uh, well, you know, all of

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<v Speaker 2>us and so like, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, then you ended up babysitting Barry baby.

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<v Speaker 2>That's pretty good, exactly babysitting, you know, but that's pretty good. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>you got me on that one.

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<v Speaker 1>I got you there before. Where you go on? This

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<v Speaker 1>is really about the people that are part of our team.

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<v Speaker 1>We have questions that they want to ask you, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I'll and Justin will follow up. Here's the first one.

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<v Speaker 1>This is comes from mt. It says, what advice do

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<v Speaker 1>you give players, Dusty when it comes to dealing with failure,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly young players that may be experienced it for the

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<v Speaker 1>first time as they move to the higher levels.

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<v Speaker 2>Good question. What I try to tell my player is

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<v Speaker 2>that you're one at bad away from a hot streak,

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<v Speaker 2>and everything starts with one, and you have to forget

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<v Speaker 2>yesterday if it was bad, and remember yesterday if feels good,

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<v Speaker 2>and then build on top of that. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>my my main I mean, a winning streak starts at one,

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<v Speaker 2>losing streak starts at one, and so does a you know,

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<v Speaker 2>so do's a batting streak. So it starts with one,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's a new day every day, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Good advice, Good advice. Next one comes from chan Best

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<v Speaker 1>advice a coach gave you you and best advice that

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<v Speaker 1>you provide young prospects. I'm more interested in the first part.

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<v Speaker 1>What was the best piece of advice that a coach

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<v Speaker 1>ever gave you?

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<v Speaker 2>Don't lie to me. Yeah, I mean, that's what my

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<v Speaker 2>high school coach told me. That's what a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>professional coaches told me. And this is what I tell

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<v Speaker 2>my players. You know, it's like, give me a chance

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<v Speaker 2>to understand, because if you lie to me, I have

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<v Speaker 2>no chance of understanding and I can't help you, and

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<v Speaker 2>I won't This will be between me and you. I

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<v Speaker 2>won't tell anybody unless it's life threatening or if you

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<v Speaker 2>committed like a serious crime. And you know, I learned

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<v Speaker 2>that in the military when I was in the Marines

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<v Speaker 2>and said, hey, you know, you got to just give name,

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<v Speaker 2>rank and serial number, take it to your grave if

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<v Speaker 2>it's if it's somebody else's word or problem, great.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, Dussie. One thing I was always curious of.

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<v Speaker 3>You've played for so long, you coach for so long, right,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, you win a lot of ball games,

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<v Speaker 3>but there's only one happy team at the end of

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<v Speaker 3>every season, right, And so as a manager, you go

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<v Speaker 3>through a lot of seasons, really good seasons that you had,

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<v Speaker 3>you won a lot of games. Did it feel like

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<v Speaker 3>unfinished business? Are unsatisfying at the end of the season

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<v Speaker 3>when you didn't win it all?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if you had a good team, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when you have a good team now now, if you

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<v Speaker 2>don't have a good team, it's almost like you can't

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<v Speaker 2>wait till the season to end because it gets long.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you have a good team and you have

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<v Speaker 2>a bona fide chance to win, then it's always like you,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you have unfinished business. And but that's the

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<v Speaker 2>beauty of the game. You know, there's always going to

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<v Speaker 2>be one winner every spring. You start the next year,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, thinking that it's going to be you, And

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<v Speaker 2>like al Campan has told me, when you start the season,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you think you have a good team, but

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<v Speaker 2>you really don't know. And you have to go around

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<v Speaker 2>the league one time and then you'll see, do I

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<v Speaker 2>need another left handed bat, or do I need a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of left handed relievers, or do I have you know,

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<v Speaker 2>do I need some more speed or do I need

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<v Speaker 2>another starter? So it takes a while. You know, once

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<v Speaker 2>you go around the league, then you can compare yourself

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<v Speaker 2>you know, to other teams and see if you have enough.

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<v Speaker 1>Was there was there one team, Dusty that you felt

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<v Speaker 1>when the season ended, I did have the best team

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<v Speaker 1>and we should have won and we didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>A couple of times and uh and uh, I felt

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<v Speaker 2>like that. In my very first year, you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>won one hundred and three games and there was no

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<v Speaker 2>wild card team, and you know, like I went to

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<v Speaker 2>the stadium every day to watch the playoffs and sat

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<v Speaker 2>in my office. And then my wife finally told me, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you can't bring it back, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>come on home, because I was going there every day.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you know, you know, two thousand and two,

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<v Speaker 2>I felt that we had the best team, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And and another time and uh, in two thousand and three,

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<v Speaker 2>when we were in Chicago and we lost to the

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<v Speaker 2>Florida Marlins, I felt that we had the best team.

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<v Speaker 2>And and it hurts, you know, you know when you lose,

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<v Speaker 2>and and and I felt that we had the best

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<v Speaker 2>team in Washington, you know, the first year we lost

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<v Speaker 2>to Chicago. The second year we lost to Chicago. But

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<v Speaker 2>the but the best team doesn't always doesn't always win.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you gotta ad some breaks. You got to

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<v Speaker 2>ask some things, you know, go your way, and uh

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<v Speaker 2>you got to capitalize on them, right. Uh? Nice?

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<v Speaker 1>A nice compliment comes in here from one of our

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<v Speaker 1>one of our teammates. So went to a Cal game

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<v Speaker 1>a few years ago. Dusty was watching Darren play. But

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<v Speaker 1>Dusty happily took time to chat and sign autographs for

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<v Speaker 1>all the kids in the stands. I imagine Dusty, you

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<v Speaker 1>know you maybe you were always like that, but at

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<v Speaker 1>some point you realize there's an obligation almost as a

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<v Speaker 1>player or former manager or current manager to those people.

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<v Speaker 1>When did that happen in your life?

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<v Speaker 2>It actually happened when I was a little league. It

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<v Speaker 2>went to U. Yeah, you know, I went to the

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<v Speaker 2>Coliseum to watch the Dodgers play and there was a

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<v Speaker 2>there was a player on the Cardinals that that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>was rude to me and told me to get out

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<v Speaker 2>of here. Kid, And I cried, and I never asked

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<v Speaker 2>for another autograph till I was like thirty years old,

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<v Speaker 2>and I said, if I ever make it to the

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<v Speaker 2>big leagues, that you know, I didn't think I was

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<v Speaker 2>going to make to the big leagues as a as

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<v Speaker 2>a baseball player. I always thought I was going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a basketball player. But I said to myself that

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<v Speaker 2>if I make it to the big leagues, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna try to sign for every kid, because you

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want a kid to feel like I felt

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<v Speaker 2>that day.

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<v Speaker 3>I like it, Dusty, obviously, you know you brought you

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<v Speaker 3>watch different sports, and you see in the NFL they

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<v Speaker 3>do the jersey swap thing. Now as a manager, as

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<v Speaker 3>a player, who would be the person that you think

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<v Speaker 3>of that you wish you had their jersey because you

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<v Speaker 3>loved watching them player, you loved how they went about

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<v Speaker 3>their business. Who was that for you in your career?

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<v Speaker 2>Elsen Baylor?

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<v Speaker 3>Hmm, interesting, interesting here, Dusty.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, man, I loved Elsen Baylor. You know he's j

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<v Speaker 2>only on at the top of the key, you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean. My dad goes, what's wrong with their head?

0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:35.640
<v Speaker 2>I said nothing, Daniel Melson Bailey, He goes, no, you're not.

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<v Speaker 2>You're Dusty.

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't like You didn't like the Sheltics very much,

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<v Speaker 1>did you, Dusty?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I didn't like him at all, Baking because they

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<v Speaker 2>won all the time. And then and then once I

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<v Speaker 2>became a manager, I was hoping that I'd win all

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<v Speaker 2>the time. And I remember asking Bill Russell. I asked

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<v Speaker 2>Bill Russell, you know, how did you guys win all

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<v Speaker 2>the all those games? Was it Rid Rbach or was

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<v Speaker 2>it Habiletek you Sam Sam Jones or whatever it is?

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<v Speaker 2>And he told me that we loved each other and

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<v Speaker 2>that and that really floored me because you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>don't think of Bill Russell when it comes to love.

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<v Speaker 2>And he told me that they loved each other, which

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<v Speaker 2>I took with me. You know, you know, to other

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<v Speaker 2>teams that I that I managed.

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<v Speaker 1>I think about Bill Russell as the greatest defensive player

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<v Speaker 1>I ever saw, and that he used to vomit before

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<v Speaker 1>every game and that was the keyth Oh yeah I.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't know that. Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah sure. Did

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<v Speaker 2>he vomit a private did he mess up? Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>No, he went into the bathroom. He was in the bathroom.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, good good, Yeah he did, he did.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, you bring up, you bring up this

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<v Speaker 1>idea that Russell shared with you about those Celtics teams,

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<v Speaker 1>and he said, uh, you know, we all loved each other. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you've been a manager for so many different franchises and

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<v Speaker 1>you won division titles with.

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<v Speaker 2>All of them. How do you build that?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, for parents who were coaching little league teams

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<v Speaker 1>or travel teams, whatever they be doing. How do you

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<v Speaker 1>build that love in a clubhouse? So they all start

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<v Speaker 1>playing for we instead of me?

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<v Speaker 2>Right well, and it's getting it's getting tougher to do

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<v Speaker 2>that because of branding. You know, look at me, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know there's more individual lies. Uh you know, notoriety

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<v Speaker 2>now than there used to be. But you know the

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<v Speaker 2>thing about it is is that I built it because

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<v Speaker 2>I never had a bunch of rules. Because somebody has

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<v Speaker 2>to enforce all these rules and my rules where don't

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<v Speaker 2>lie to me, show up to work on time, and

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<v Speaker 2>give me all you have. Uh, you know while you

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<v Speaker 2>work and uh you know, you're you got the best

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<v Speaker 2>job in America. Uh you know, if you work an

0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:47.960
<v Speaker 2>eight hour day, boy, that is a long, long game.

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<v Speaker 2>And so you're you're looking at four and a half

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<v Speaker 2>to five hour days and you make a great living

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<v Speaker 2>and uh, you know, appreciate where you are, Appreciate what

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<v Speaker 2>you have and uh you know how many people in

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<v Speaker 2>life reached their lifetime goals, you know, before they're thirty

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<v Speaker 2>years old. So some of them are twenty five from six,

0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:12.400
<v Speaker 2>twenty seven years old, and you have to maximize that

0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:16.920
<v Speaker 2>because somebody is always trying to take your job from below,

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<v Speaker 2>and somebody on your team a lot of times trying

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<v Speaker 2>to take your job. And I asked Jim gilliam I said,

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<v Speaker 2>I said, you know, Jim, how do you stay in

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<v Speaker 2>the big leagues? He told me, he said, if there's

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<v Speaker 2>a kid trying to take your job, he said, send

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<v Speaker 2>them back to the miners. Like pee wee recent about

0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:36.160
<v Speaker 2>eight guys back to the miners. And he says, if

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<v Speaker 2>there's a guy on your team trying to take your job,

0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:40.760
<v Speaker 2>he says, keep them on the bench. And I said,

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<v Speaker 2>how you do that? He says, he says, by going

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<v Speaker 2>out there playing and performing, you know, every day what

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<v Speaker 2>I tried to do. Yeah, it's a valuable lesson.

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<v Speaker 3>That's great, So Dusty, when you look at just your

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<v Speaker 3>your career and playing managing your life. Obviously the book

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<v Speaker 3>that that's out, Now, what was the purpose or what

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<v Speaker 3>is your what is your passion? A reason behind wanting

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<v Speaker 3>to come out with a memoir?

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<v Speaker 2>Well number one, everybody been asking for like forty years.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I was on the doors, I'm serious and

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<v Speaker 2>I promised, I promised a guy that I would write it,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, with him Lyles, Spencer and h And when

0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:33.040
<v Speaker 2>I was ready to write it, you know, I had

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<v Speaker 2>to make sure that I was out of the game

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, you'll get black ball, and in baseball

0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:41.880
<v Speaker 2>it happens. And you know a lot of times baseball

0:17:41.920 --> 0:17:45.440
<v Speaker 2>doesn't when the negative things said or negative comments or

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<v Speaker 2>like everything is in the utopia situation and it's really not,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, because it's a microcosm of the world. And

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<v Speaker 2>I just thought about some of the things that I've

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<v Speaker 2>been through, some of the things my family, my brother,

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<v Speaker 2>black people, white people that we've all been through that

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes needs to be said and and and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I declare my heart and my mind as well. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we all have certain problems. And a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of times people think that here a professional play, everything's

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<v Speaker 2>just beautiful all the time. But you know, we got

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<v Speaker 2>the same problems that everybody else has. It's just said,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to deal with it and go perform on

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<v Speaker 2>a daily basis, and hopefully this to help, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>some people that are that are struggling. And a lot

0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:39.439
<v Speaker 2>of times I talk to people and they feel hopeless.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, above all, you got to give you

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<v Speaker 2>got to give people some hope and hopefully is to

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<v Speaker 2>give people some hope.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the book that Justin just referred to. It's

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<v Speaker 1>called Crossroads. It's a memoir. It's about three hundred pages long.

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<v Speaker 1>I know Dusty spent about two and a half years

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<v Speaker 1>writing it, and again I strongly encourage people to go

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<v Speaker 1>out there and get it. Dusty, what what was the

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<v Speaker 1>what was the most difficult chapter to write about in

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<v Speaker 1>the book.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the most difficult thing, period was to have to uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, relive some of the things that I had

0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:22.440
<v Speaker 2>suppressed in my life, you know, to you know, to

0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:26.720
<v Speaker 2>have to relive uh you know, my departure in LA,

0:19:27.240 --> 0:19:34.200
<v Speaker 2>to relive my divorce, to relive uh you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>like how I had the and the I R S.

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<v Speaker 2>That was probably the most you know, difficult chapter. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>some of it I brought on myself, and some of

0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:49.960
<v Speaker 2>it you know, was forced upon me. But you know

0:19:50.040 --> 0:19:52.520
<v Speaker 2>there are times when I I kind of wanted to quit,

0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:55.440
<v Speaker 2>not kind of I wanted to quit and I wanted

0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:58.760
<v Speaker 2>to quit life period. And I remember, I mean, it

0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:01.280
<v Speaker 2>was so vivid to me talking to Pete Rose on

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<v Speaker 2>first base because Pete he was in Milville's forty four

0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:09.680
<v Speaker 2>game Hidden Street and he his dad died, he was

0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:12.840
<v Speaker 2>getting divorced, and I asked him, I said, Pete, how

0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:16.440
<v Speaker 2>are you doing this? And I'll always I'll never forget.

0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:19.720
<v Speaker 2>He said, Dusty, you have to use the ballpark as

0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:24.120
<v Speaker 2>a sanctuary away from your problems, because when you get

0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:27.280
<v Speaker 2>back home from the ballpark, the same problems are there

0:20:27.800 --> 0:20:31.560
<v Speaker 2>that you left. And so, yeah, you know, to me,

0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:35.359
<v Speaker 2>the ballpark was a you know, it was a sanctuary,

0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:38.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, for me. And I learned that from Pete Rose.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think I Justin, I know, we've got a

0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:43.840
<v Speaker 1>couple more questions here from our group, but you know,

0:20:44.119 --> 0:20:47.280
<v Speaker 1>and Justin works with a bunch of recruits, he works

0:20:47.320 --> 0:20:50.159
<v Speaker 1>with young kids. He's an advisor, Dusty, I think, and

0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:53.240
<v Speaker 1>having covered the sport for so long, we do tend

0:20:53.280 --> 0:20:56.400
<v Speaker 1>to lose sight of the fact that the managers, the coaches,

0:20:56.480 --> 0:20:59.440
<v Speaker 1>the players are real people too. And I think this

0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:02.840
<v Speaker 1>book a great job kind of letting people see behind

0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:03.280
<v Speaker 1>the curtain.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Justin, Yeah, absolutely, let's get to this question. So, Dusty,

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<v Speaker 3>this is awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you able to walk through the two thousand and

0:21:11.600 --> 0:21:15.960
<v Speaker 3>three NLCS Game six Steve Bartman, this is a conversation

0:21:16.080 --> 0:21:18.679
<v Speaker 3>you've had a thousand times Dusty or more. But right,

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<v Speaker 3>let's uh, yeah, I'd love to hear your thoughts on that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that wasn't one of the top five worst worst

0:21:25.400 --> 0:21:27.920
<v Speaker 2>things that happened on the baseball field to me. I mean,

0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:30.879
<v Speaker 2>you know, we had an opportunity, you know, to win

0:21:31.000 --> 0:21:34.000
<v Speaker 2>that game, you know, opportunity to turned over play, opportunity

0:21:34.040 --> 0:21:36.280
<v Speaker 2>to base the loaded who had and you know a

0:21:36.600 --> 0:21:39.080
<v Speaker 2>number of our opportunities they kind of took it. You know.

0:21:39.119 --> 0:21:45.320
<v Speaker 2>The Bartman thing didn't help. And I felt sad for

0:21:45.440 --> 0:21:48.160
<v Speaker 2>Bartman because here's a guy that caught the al come

0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:50.879
<v Speaker 2>to the game to root his team on, that had

0:21:50.920 --> 0:21:52.960
<v Speaker 2>never been there in along, that hadn't been there in

0:21:53.000 --> 0:21:55.600
<v Speaker 2>a long time. And then you know, at the end

0:21:55.600 --> 0:21:58.720
<v Speaker 2>of the day, I mean, this guy was the biggest

0:22:00.359 --> 0:22:05.600
<v Speaker 2>goat in in in Chicago, and quite frankly, quite frankly,

0:22:05.840 --> 0:22:08.480
<v Speaker 2>like man, I mean that that was a sad situation

0:22:08.560 --> 0:22:11.520
<v Speaker 2>for me. I wanted to win the next year and

0:22:11.800 --> 0:22:14.119
<v Speaker 2>and and I was going to invite Bartman, you know,

0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:16.040
<v Speaker 2>to come right in the in the car and or

0:22:16.080 --> 0:22:20.640
<v Speaker 2>take a tape parade with me and my family. And yeah,

0:22:20.760 --> 0:22:22.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean that was one of my motivations. We didn't

0:22:22.680 --> 0:22:25.120
<v Speaker 2>get there. You know, we got knocked out by Houston

0:22:25.240 --> 0:22:28.440
<v Speaker 2>right right after that. But that was my goal and

0:22:28.600 --> 0:22:31.640
<v Speaker 2>my uh purpose.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, did you did you ever interact with him, Justine?

0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:35.680
<v Speaker 1>Did you ever see him again?

0:22:36.720 --> 0:22:40.040
<v Speaker 2>Nope? I never I never saw I didn't see him

0:22:40.080 --> 0:22:42.160
<v Speaker 2>in the stand state of truth because see you can't

0:22:42.280 --> 0:22:47.280
<v Speaker 2>see the left field foul pole from the dugout. I

0:22:47.400 --> 0:22:50.760
<v Speaker 2>mean because because because the wall, and I didn't even

0:22:50.840 --> 0:22:54.840
<v Speaker 2>see the play. Now the cub I mean, the Marlins

0:22:54.880 --> 0:22:56.800
<v Speaker 2>had a great view of the play because they were

0:22:56.840 --> 0:22:59.040
<v Speaker 2>looking right down the left field line. I'm looking down

0:22:59.080 --> 0:23:02.520
<v Speaker 2>the right field line, and then I didn't see it

0:23:02.640 --> 0:23:08.639
<v Speaker 2>until after the game on TV. And you know, but

0:23:08.760 --> 0:23:15.040
<v Speaker 2>I could tell by Moye Says's reaction and by the

0:23:15.080 --> 0:23:19.560
<v Speaker 2>way I thank him and aramis from Maris and Derek

0:23:19.680 --> 0:23:21.560
<v Speaker 2>Lee are two of the most three of the most

0:23:21.680 --> 0:23:26.040
<v Speaker 2>underrated players that that I haven't had. Those guys and

0:23:26.160 --> 0:23:29.440
<v Speaker 2>Ellis Birds, I mean, those guys are so yeah, mendus

0:23:29.840 --> 0:23:30.720
<v Speaker 2>mendus players.

0:23:31.760 --> 0:23:34.600
<v Speaker 1>We grew up with Elie Bergs in Boston. Here's here's

0:23:34.640 --> 0:23:38.280
<v Speaker 1>a question that comes from Cooper Benjamin Dusty and I'll

0:23:38.400 --> 0:23:40.480
<v Speaker 1>kind of shorten it up a little bit, but he

0:23:40.640 --> 0:23:42.399
<v Speaker 1>says that he had an uncle who told him the

0:23:42.480 --> 0:23:45.440
<v Speaker 1>story that in two thousand and two in San Francisco,

0:23:45.960 --> 0:23:48.440
<v Speaker 1>Rob Nen had blown a few saves. After the game,

0:23:48.520 --> 0:23:51.160
<v Speaker 1>you and then went out to be on the ballpark

0:23:51.200 --> 0:23:53.840
<v Speaker 1>and just started fishing, and you hooked a monster thirty

0:23:53.920 --> 0:23:56.800
<v Speaker 1>pound fish, and the entire time you two were fighting

0:23:57.200 --> 0:23:59.440
<v Speaker 1>the fish, and he didn't blow another save after that

0:23:59.480 --> 0:24:01.960
<v Speaker 1>because you said, this is how I want you to fight.

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<v Speaker 1>Just as a caveat. I'll say this as the host

0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:09.479
<v Speaker 1>of Baseball Tonight. Every single night, it felt like when

0:24:09.600 --> 0:24:11.399
<v Speaker 1>Rob Nen came into the game and we had to

0:24:11.480 --> 0:24:14.160
<v Speaker 1>stay until the game was over. Poor Rob Nen would

0:24:14.160 --> 0:24:16.960
<v Speaker 1>occasionally blow a game. Is the fish story truth?

0:24:18.520 --> 0:24:21.159
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember. I did take all the guys fishing

0:24:21.400 --> 0:24:24.640
<v Speaker 2>Tato too, because you know, we'd fished right behind the ballpark.

0:24:25.200 --> 0:24:28.920
<v Speaker 2>That's what I said. Yeah, that's true. But Rob Nenn

0:24:29.040 --> 0:24:31.360
<v Speaker 2>was one of the best guys, I mean closes I had.

0:24:31.640 --> 0:24:36.760
<v Speaker 2>I mean, uh, rob Nen, I don't think, well, if

0:24:36.800 --> 0:24:39.760
<v Speaker 2>he blew a safe, I think it was always Levana

0:24:40.320 --> 0:24:45.480
<v Speaker 2>Hernandez and it was never Curt Reader. And that's why

0:24:45.640 --> 0:24:48.320
<v Speaker 2>maybe they're maybe that's why they're best friends. Like, right now,

0:24:49.280 --> 0:24:51.399
<v Speaker 2>that's funny, that's really funny.

0:24:52.520 --> 0:24:54.280
<v Speaker 1>So so you do you know, look, in games, you

0:24:54.320 --> 0:24:55.280
<v Speaker 1>deal with disappointments.

0:24:55.320 --> 0:24:55.680
<v Speaker 2>We got that.

0:24:55.800 --> 0:24:59.440
<v Speaker 1>You sort of talked about that when you when you

0:24:59.600 --> 0:25:01.680
<v Speaker 1>have play players who are at the height of their

0:25:02.080 --> 0:25:04.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, sort of their game. Like I'll take Barry

0:25:04.400 --> 0:25:09.320
<v Speaker 1>for example, Barry failed to Kerry Wood and Mark Pryor failed,

0:25:09.640 --> 0:25:14.280
<v Speaker 1>Bryce Harper failed. Is it different when the stars fail?

0:25:14.520 --> 0:25:16.800
<v Speaker 1>Or is it just like everybody else? And how you

0:25:17.000 --> 0:25:19.399
<v Speaker 1>handle it because a lot of the parents here have

0:25:19.600 --> 0:25:22.240
<v Speaker 1>kids that are the stars and maybe they have a

0:25:22.280 --> 0:25:23.679
<v Speaker 1>harder time dealing with failure.

0:25:24.800 --> 0:25:28.040
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know something, baseball, as long as you played baseball,

0:25:28.119 --> 0:25:31.520
<v Speaker 2>you're going to fail. Trust me, I fail. I saw

0:25:31.600 --> 0:25:35.080
<v Speaker 2>Hank Aaron fail, William May failed. They just don't fail

0:25:35.280 --> 0:25:38.760
<v Speaker 2>as often as everybody else, but they do fail, and

0:25:39.200 --> 0:25:43.000
<v Speaker 2>and and and you have to have a strong mind

0:25:43.119 --> 0:25:47.800
<v Speaker 2>and will to deal with failure and and and Baseball

0:25:47.960 --> 0:25:50.760
<v Speaker 2>is as much like life as anything because it's not

0:25:51.040 --> 0:25:54.359
<v Speaker 2>always up and up. Sometime you're down and then you

0:25:54.480 --> 0:25:56.440
<v Speaker 2>got to kick yourself. You got to pick yourself right

0:25:56.520 --> 0:26:00.119
<v Speaker 2>back up. And see, there are times in baseball and

0:26:00.280 --> 0:26:03.080
<v Speaker 2>I can remember I was the hero on Monday, and

0:26:03.200 --> 0:26:05.720
<v Speaker 2>I was a goat. I blew the game on Tuesday.

0:26:06.240 --> 0:26:09.320
<v Speaker 2>And so that's why they always told us what I

0:26:09.359 --> 0:26:11.120
<v Speaker 2>was coming up. You don't get too high when it's

0:26:11.160 --> 0:26:13.400
<v Speaker 2>going good, and you don't get too low when it's

0:26:13.440 --> 0:26:16.840
<v Speaker 2>going badly, because see, this game will humble you on

0:26:16.920 --> 0:26:20.639
<v Speaker 2>a daily basis, and so you have to try to

0:26:20.840 --> 0:26:23.200
<v Speaker 2>try to be It's hard. You got to try to

0:26:23.280 --> 0:26:28.399
<v Speaker 2>be as even keeled as possible. Yeah, I like that, Dusty.

0:26:28.400 --> 0:26:29.800
<v Speaker 3>I want to go to another question one of our

0:26:29.880 --> 0:26:32.360
<v Speaker 3>team members, So from Coleman Foley, what did you learn

0:26:32.400 --> 0:26:35.399
<v Speaker 3>from your favorite coaches that you then used in your

0:26:35.480 --> 0:26:36.160
<v Speaker 3>coaching career.

0:26:36.920 --> 0:26:41.520
<v Speaker 2>Good question, Well, that's a really good question. The coaches

0:26:41.560 --> 0:26:44.800
<v Speaker 2>that I really remember from from high school mister McCullough,

0:26:45.840 --> 0:26:49.160
<v Speaker 2>Spider Jorgenson, which I had in American Legion, Jim gilly

0:26:49.280 --> 0:26:53.920
<v Speaker 2>and Clint Courtney, shoot all all the great coach that

0:26:54.040 --> 0:26:57.240
<v Speaker 2>I had pressing gold Man as Jim Gilliam is that

0:26:57.480 --> 0:27:04.760
<v Speaker 2>they all would would recognize is like like differences in

0:27:04.840 --> 0:27:10.000
<v Speaker 2>your personality and therefore they could tell you know which

0:27:10.119 --> 0:27:14.159
<v Speaker 2>button to push or something was wrong with you. You know,

0:27:14.200 --> 0:27:15.879
<v Speaker 2>if you're a guy that talked a lot, and all

0:27:15.880 --> 0:27:17.600
<v Speaker 2>of a sudden you're quiet, or if you're a guy

0:27:17.680 --> 0:27:19.680
<v Speaker 2>that was quiet and all of a sudden talks a lot,

0:27:20.560 --> 0:27:23.760
<v Speaker 2>something's going on, and something's going and they all recognize

0:27:24.400 --> 0:27:27.520
<v Speaker 2>that that when something's going on off the field, because

0:27:27.560 --> 0:27:31.560
<v Speaker 2>see the off the field men, the concentration that you

0:27:31.760 --> 0:27:36.879
<v Speaker 2>need to play baseball is so exact and different between

0:27:36.920 --> 0:27:39.600
<v Speaker 2>a file ball pop up and a homer, And if

0:27:39.640 --> 0:27:43.960
<v Speaker 2>your concentrations off just a little bit, then then it's

0:27:44.000 --> 0:27:45.320
<v Speaker 2>gonna tell in your performance.

0:27:46.320 --> 0:27:49.040
<v Speaker 1>So is that something that parents can learn is that

0:27:49.560 --> 0:27:52.560
<v Speaker 1>when did you recognize your ability to kind of read

0:27:53.119 --> 0:27:57.560
<v Speaker 1>the room? Like Carl's not feeling good today, but he

0:27:57.680 --> 0:28:01.200
<v Speaker 1>seems okay. But I when did you recognizing you sort

0:28:01.240 --> 0:28:03.520
<v Speaker 1>of had that skill? Did you develop it? And then

0:28:03.560 --> 0:28:04.280
<v Speaker 1>how did you use it?

0:28:05.440 --> 0:28:08.840
<v Speaker 2>Well? Actually I didn't know I had it, but my

0:28:09.280 --> 0:28:13.280
<v Speaker 2>high school coach, my basketball coach, and noticed that that

0:28:13.920 --> 0:28:16.399
<v Speaker 2>something was wrong with me because I came home one

0:28:16.480 --> 0:28:19.679
<v Speaker 2>day and my mom and dad and were no longer married.

0:28:19.760 --> 0:28:21.920
<v Speaker 2>From that day forward, I never saw him argue you

0:28:22.000 --> 0:28:24.480
<v Speaker 2>never saw anything. Now, all of a sudden, me being

0:28:24.520 --> 0:28:26.080
<v Speaker 2>the oldest of five, I was a man at the

0:28:26.160 --> 0:28:29.880
<v Speaker 2>house and I'm I'm blowing layups and I'm missing free throws.

0:28:29.960 --> 0:28:33.760
<v Speaker 2>And that's when that's when my high school coach he

0:28:33.880 --> 0:28:36.359
<v Speaker 2>told me said, Dusty's wrong. And I'm like, oh, nothing, man,

0:28:36.440 --> 0:28:39.960
<v Speaker 2>Everything's cool. And then I couldn't wait for him to

0:28:40.280 --> 0:28:42.520
<v Speaker 2>keep priding and asking me because I trusted him and

0:28:43.160 --> 0:28:45.560
<v Speaker 2>and you know, he's the one that taught me. Then

0:28:45.640 --> 0:28:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Jim Gilliam, you know, later on when I was having

0:28:49.360 --> 0:28:53.000
<v Speaker 2>troubles in my marriage, he could see it. And the

0:28:53.120 --> 0:28:58.080
<v Speaker 2>good ones, you know, you know, they noticed the personality changes,

0:28:58.160 --> 0:28:59.920
<v Speaker 2>but they don't pry. They kind of wait for you,

0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:02.960
<v Speaker 2>you to to to kind of give them opening to

0:29:03.320 --> 0:29:06.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, to talk, you know, talk to you. M

0:29:07.160 --> 0:29:07.560
<v Speaker 2>I like that.

0:29:07.720 --> 0:29:10.320
<v Speaker 3>So going back to the managing days, Dusty, one of

0:29:10.360 --> 0:29:13.640
<v Speaker 3>the things I think is lost in today's game a

0:29:13.760 --> 0:29:17.200
<v Speaker 3>little bit is the understanding of how important a manager's

0:29:17.360 --> 0:29:21.360
<v Speaker 3>feel is within a game. Right We're in this analytical era,

0:29:22.600 --> 0:29:26.280
<v Speaker 3>which is which is great, but the feel of a manager,

0:29:26.400 --> 0:29:29.440
<v Speaker 3>that experience and knowing the players and understanding what they're

0:29:29.480 --> 0:29:31.480
<v Speaker 3>good at in the in the right move at the

0:29:31.600 --> 0:29:35.120
<v Speaker 3>right time. Tell me about your experience and that as

0:29:35.200 --> 0:29:38.480
<v Speaker 3>a manager after after being a player, and how you

0:29:38.680 --> 0:29:41.880
<v Speaker 3>learned learned how to gain that feel in a game

0:29:42.000 --> 0:29:44.240
<v Speaker 3>and make the right moves at the right time based

0:29:44.320 --> 0:29:45.360
<v Speaker 3>on some of that feel.

0:29:46.920 --> 0:29:50.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, sometimes you know, yeah right, I don't know if

0:29:50.880 --> 0:29:52.640
<v Speaker 2>you've made the You don't know if you're reading the

0:29:52.840 --> 0:29:55.200
<v Speaker 2>right move or not until later. And sometimes you can

0:29:55.280 --> 0:29:58.040
<v Speaker 2>make the right move, all the right moves, and if

0:29:58.080 --> 0:30:01.400
<v Speaker 2>the players don't perform or come through, then then it

0:30:01.560 --> 0:30:03.800
<v Speaker 2>appears to be the wrong move. Or sometimes you can

0:30:03.880 --> 0:30:06.880
<v Speaker 2>make the wrong move and the player you know, bails

0:30:06.920 --> 0:30:11.960
<v Speaker 2>you out. I actually learned that in the Marines because

0:30:12.000 --> 0:30:14.520
<v Speaker 2>my last day at boot camp, I had a UH

0:30:15.760 --> 0:30:20.080
<v Speaker 2>drill started named Sergeant Goolsby, and this guy big brother,

0:30:20.400 --> 0:30:23.000
<v Speaker 2>he filled out his fatigues man and I didn't think

0:30:23.040 --> 0:30:25.840
<v Speaker 2>he liked me, So I didn't think he liked me.

0:30:26.280 --> 0:30:29.040
<v Speaker 2>And uh, I was in advanced mode of transport and

0:30:29.200 --> 0:30:32.400
<v Speaker 2>I did six months and then UH, you know, five

0:30:32.440 --> 0:30:35.000
<v Speaker 2>and a half years UH in the reserves. And he

0:30:35.160 --> 0:30:39.320
<v Speaker 2>told me that if my unit get called up, he

0:30:39.400 --> 0:30:42.120
<v Speaker 2>said us, you have to listen to the the the

0:30:42.720 --> 0:30:48.120
<v Speaker 2>second lieutenant that studied war strategy and whatever academy went to.

0:30:48.280 --> 0:30:50.600
<v Speaker 2>But if you want to get home, he says, you

0:30:50.800 --> 0:30:53.360
<v Speaker 2>listen and hang around that second. I mean that that

0:30:53.520 --> 0:30:56.280
<v Speaker 2>staff sergeant who's two tour of Vietnam and he will

0:30:56.320 --> 0:30:58.959
<v Speaker 2>get you home. You know, he knows where the uh

0:30:59.600 --> 0:31:02.480
<v Speaker 2>uh uh booby traps are, you know where snipers should

0:31:02.560 --> 0:31:05.800
<v Speaker 2>be and so uh you know that taught me right

0:31:05.880 --> 0:31:09.600
<v Speaker 2>then about about the field and experience and and and

0:31:09.920 --> 0:31:13.240
<v Speaker 2>I've had the bad reputation like, well, Dustry don't like

0:31:13.680 --> 0:31:16.640
<v Speaker 2>saber mentions. Well that's a that's a lie. You know.

0:31:16.800 --> 0:31:20.040
<v Speaker 2>It's like, dude, I like to use both. You know,

0:31:20.080 --> 0:31:22.440
<v Speaker 2>I like these my feelings and I used math. I

0:31:22.520 --> 0:31:25.960
<v Speaker 2>mean ever since I ever since I played baseball. When

0:31:26.000 --> 0:31:29.120
<v Speaker 2>I was playing in high school, I had a wrist

0:31:29.240 --> 0:31:32.240
<v Speaker 2>band and I had like everything that I did. Say,

0:31:32.240 --> 0:31:34.120
<v Speaker 2>if I went one for four, my average would go

0:31:34.160 --> 0:31:35.920
<v Speaker 2>down this and that, and if I was one for

0:31:36.040 --> 0:31:39.000
<v Speaker 2>three and I had it all figured out, Yeah, I

0:31:39.080 --> 0:31:41.840
<v Speaker 2>had it all figured out before the game. So you know,

0:31:42.120 --> 0:31:45.040
<v Speaker 2>like I like, I like, I like both the combination

0:31:45.200 --> 0:31:48.560
<v Speaker 2>of the two. Uh. You know, to me, it's a

0:31:48.600 --> 0:31:50.800
<v Speaker 2>way to go love es.

0:31:50.880 --> 0:31:52.880
<v Speaker 1>And I know, I know you've seen Dusty and having

0:31:53.040 --> 0:31:56.680
<v Speaker 1>worked with Dusty and covered Dusty for years, Dusty never

0:31:57.960 --> 0:32:01.800
<v Speaker 1>was caught without having risk on I mean Dusty dressed

0:32:01.840 --> 0:32:05.360
<v Speaker 1>for the game when he was managing. So you know, Dusty,

0:32:06.360 --> 0:32:08.800
<v Speaker 1>why did you do that? Like you did you want

0:32:08.840 --> 0:32:10.920
<v Speaker 1>to still feel like a player? Have players relate to you?

0:32:10.960 --> 0:32:14.520
<v Speaker 2>What what led to that? You know what I'm saying.

0:32:14.520 --> 0:32:19.280
<v Speaker 2>I've been asked that. Man, I didn't feel like a player.

0:32:19.440 --> 0:32:22.480
<v Speaker 2>I knew what I was, okay to me, it was

0:32:22.640 --> 0:32:25.800
<v Speaker 2>just it was part of the uniform. Like ever since

0:32:25.880 --> 0:32:29.239
<v Speaker 2>I played, I always had always had wristbands. I had

0:32:29.280 --> 0:32:32.760
<v Speaker 2>little skinny arms, and I had one little skinny wristband.

0:32:32.800 --> 0:32:36.000
<v Speaker 2>Then I went to the double wristband. And then because

0:32:37.360 --> 0:32:39.800
<v Speaker 2>I like to tell people that, hey, man, late in

0:32:39.840 --> 0:32:41.800
<v Speaker 2>the game, basis load, it gets hot and dug out

0:32:41.800 --> 0:32:44.320
<v Speaker 2>and you gotta wipe your brow and part of us,

0:32:44.800 --> 0:32:47.160
<v Speaker 2>part of you know, part of us, a little bit

0:32:47.200 --> 0:32:49.920
<v Speaker 2>of supicision. I remember one time, Billy Williams, I had

0:32:50.040 --> 0:32:54.000
<v Speaker 2>like eight different combination of colors. Right, I forget what

0:32:54.120 --> 0:32:56.000
<v Speaker 2>team I was on, and we were going in Chicago

0:32:56.080 --> 0:32:58.360
<v Speaker 2>and Billy Williams he said, He's called me Johnny Bee

0:32:58.360 --> 0:33:00.280
<v Speaker 2>because our birthdays on the same days. So I was

0:33:00.360 --> 0:33:03.480
<v Speaker 2>close to Billy. He said, Johnny b I've been watching you, man,

0:33:03.560 --> 0:33:06.360
<v Speaker 2>he says, you about to run out of color combinations,

0:33:06.440 --> 0:33:09.800
<v Speaker 2>aren't you? And I says, and I was too, because

0:33:09.840 --> 0:33:12.000
<v Speaker 2>we had lost like seven eight in a row, and

0:33:12.360 --> 0:33:15.000
<v Speaker 2>so I was like, dang. I was like, I was like,

0:33:15.120 --> 0:33:17.760
<v Speaker 2>maybe Billy's maybe Billy's gone to me, you know what

0:33:17.800 --> 0:33:21.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean? And he was so but I didn't admit it,

0:33:22.000 --> 0:33:24.440
<v Speaker 2>but he was right all the way. He was onto it.

0:33:24.720 --> 0:33:26.440
<v Speaker 2>That's great, that's great.

0:33:26.520 --> 0:33:28.760
<v Speaker 3>I want to get to this question, Mitch Larson asked here.

0:33:28.800 --> 0:33:30.840
<v Speaker 3>It's a great one. So where's the toothpick? Dusty?

0:33:30.920 --> 0:33:31.200
<v Speaker 2>You ask?

0:33:31.280 --> 0:33:33.480
<v Speaker 3>You want to make sure you want to know where

0:33:33.480 --> 0:33:35.520
<v Speaker 3>your toothpick is? Then he goes onto the streets. Now,

0:33:35.560 --> 0:33:39.520
<v Speaker 3>how important is conditioning like running poles or sprints for pictures?

0:33:39.560 --> 0:33:42.640
<v Speaker 3>And how different is a recovery routine for pictures now

0:33:42.760 --> 0:33:44.720
<v Speaker 3>versus ten years ago? Good question, Mitch.

0:33:45.080 --> 0:33:47.920
<v Speaker 2>That's that is great. Now. Number one, I started the

0:33:48.000 --> 0:33:51.880
<v Speaker 2>toothpicks because I was dipping tobacco and my dentili Gens

0:33:51.920 --> 0:33:54.960
<v Speaker 2>told me that if you don't stop, you know, you

0:33:55.080 --> 0:33:57.840
<v Speaker 2>either get cancer, which I already had, or you'd ever

0:33:57.960 --> 0:34:04.200
<v Speaker 2>seeding gums, and so U I stopped. But the only

0:34:04.240 --> 0:34:08.080
<v Speaker 2>thing is like, no, but the ninth inning bases loaded

0:34:08.200 --> 0:34:11.200
<v Speaker 2>two outs. I ended up having both. You know what

0:34:11.280 --> 0:34:15.520
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he kicks at it. But but you know

0:34:15.719 --> 0:34:18.799
<v Speaker 2>something about the question. See, when I was in LA,

0:34:18.920 --> 0:34:21.800
<v Speaker 2>we didn't have any any arm problems. We had Sutton,

0:34:21.880 --> 0:34:26.360
<v Speaker 2>we had uh, Jerry Royce, we had Tommy John, Dave Stewart,

0:34:26.800 --> 0:34:30.960
<v Speaker 2>Bobby well Sutcliffe, all these guys. I'd be coming in

0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:34.520
<v Speaker 2>the Dodger Stadium and they would be running out and

0:34:34.640 --> 0:34:36.880
<v Speaker 2>they would go up around the police academy. They'd run

0:34:36.920 --> 0:34:39.759
<v Speaker 2>for about an hour and then and then we'd go

0:34:39.880 --> 0:34:42.320
<v Speaker 2>off for batting practice and they'd just be coming into

0:34:42.480 --> 0:34:46.120
<v Speaker 2>the uh, you know, Dodger Stadium on the field. And

0:34:46.280 --> 0:34:49.520
<v Speaker 2>then one day I was first and Jenkins got traded

0:34:49.600 --> 0:34:52.160
<v Speaker 2>to the Texas Rangers, and we're I was with LA

0:34:52.360 --> 0:34:57.040
<v Speaker 2>and we were playing and Pompino Beach and then the

0:34:57.719 --> 0:35:00.840
<v Speaker 2>pictures used to run line the line poles or do

0:35:01.000 --> 0:35:05.759
<v Speaker 2>pickups and stuff. So ferguson Jenkins he ran for five

0:35:05.880 --> 0:35:09.800
<v Speaker 2>innings line the line, So I said, Fergy's through. And

0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:13.239
<v Speaker 2>then he took a glass of water and ran four

0:35:13.320 --> 0:35:15.160
<v Speaker 2>more innings. So I asked him, I said, Fergie, what

0:35:15.200 --> 0:35:17.160
<v Speaker 2>are you doing all this running for? And he said, Dusty,

0:35:17.400 --> 0:35:20.719
<v Speaker 2>why do you think I won twenty games four or

0:35:20.760 --> 0:35:23.040
<v Speaker 2>five years in a row and pitched three hundred innings

0:35:23.520 --> 0:35:26.160
<v Speaker 2>four or five years in a row because he ran.

0:35:26.920 --> 0:35:31.680
<v Speaker 2>And I believe, especially with the pitchers like Johnny Quaito

0:35:31.840 --> 0:35:34.400
<v Speaker 2>listened to me and I told Johnny, this is a rookie.

0:35:34.520 --> 0:35:37.040
<v Speaker 2>And I said, and he started running the you know,

0:35:37.280 --> 0:35:42.160
<v Speaker 2>the stands, and I like to see pictures, you know,

0:35:42.320 --> 0:35:45.480
<v Speaker 2>start running again. Yeah, I can tell you this.

0:35:45.560 --> 0:35:49.040
<v Speaker 1>There's a guy that hated the Celtics before games. Larry

0:35:49.080 --> 0:35:51.560
<v Speaker 1>Bird would run up and down the stairs inside the

0:35:51.600 --> 0:35:55.360
<v Speaker 1>Boston Gardens. The great ones seemed to have an understanding

0:35:55.440 --> 0:35:58.080
<v Speaker 1>that it takes things like that, Dusty, I think it's

0:35:58.120 --> 0:35:58.839
<v Speaker 1>important to pick.

0:35:59.680 --> 0:36:02.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, hey, carl, let me tell you Larry Bird story

0:36:02.200 --> 0:36:05.120
<v Speaker 2>right quick. Now. See we were in Saint Louis, and

0:36:05.320 --> 0:36:09.399
<v Speaker 2>so every time we go someplace, then they would use

0:36:09.480 --> 0:36:13.320
<v Speaker 2>the Dodgers as a recruiting trip to try to convince

0:36:13.400 --> 0:36:18.640
<v Speaker 2>a kid to come, like, uh, Pittsburgh. It was Barbie

0:36:18.680 --> 0:36:21.560
<v Speaker 2>Majors had had Dan Marino come in. Then you go

0:36:21.640 --> 0:36:24.880
<v Speaker 2>to San Diego. Yeah, and so they had Michael Ka.

0:36:25.080 --> 0:36:27.759
<v Speaker 2>So here's Larry Bird. Tommy John brings in Larry Bird,

0:36:28.560 --> 0:36:32.920
<v Speaker 2>So I said, who is this dude? He played on

0:36:33.080 --> 0:36:38.120
<v Speaker 2>basketball time ago. Man, He's the baddest dude. So my

0:36:38.320 --> 0:36:41.640
<v Speaker 2>brother played against them at Indiana State. He went to

0:36:41.760 --> 0:36:44.800
<v Speaker 2>up and he got on the phone and told me

0:36:44.920 --> 0:36:48.319
<v Speaker 2>that this is the baddest dude that he ever saw.

0:36:48.400 --> 0:36:50.800
<v Speaker 2>So I really started watching Larry Bird after that. And

0:36:51.080 --> 0:36:53.600
<v Speaker 2>and and he was one of the baddest dudes they

0:36:53.600 --> 0:36:54.560
<v Speaker 2>ever played basketball.

0:36:55.280 --> 0:36:57.120
<v Speaker 1>He wasn't afraid of it. He wasn't afraid of chirp

0:36:57.160 --> 0:36:58.760
<v Speaker 1>about it either to anybody.

0:36:59.520 --> 0:37:00.440
<v Speaker 2>He was good doing that.

0:37:01.560 --> 0:37:04.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think it's important, Dusty. We got a question

0:37:04.800 --> 0:37:06.640
<v Speaker 1>here from Mark and then I think we really should

0:37:06.680 --> 0:37:09.400
<v Speaker 1>get into the relationship you had with Hank Aaron. But

0:37:09.520 --> 0:37:12.200
<v Speaker 1>Mark's question is, Dusty, what was the most difficult moment

0:37:12.680 --> 0:37:15.239
<v Speaker 1>during your twenty twenty two run to win a ring

0:37:15.320 --> 0:37:16.000
<v Speaker 1>with the Astros?

0:37:18.160 --> 0:37:24.760
<v Speaker 2>Hmm, most difficult moment was, well, my most difficult moment

0:37:25.160 --> 0:37:33.279
<v Speaker 2>was was trying to convince the upstairs people that that

0:37:33.480 --> 0:37:41.040
<v Speaker 2>my lineup was was correct and in the book. And yeah,

0:37:41.239 --> 0:37:44.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean that was my most difficult moment. I was say, hey,

0:37:44.800 --> 0:37:46.800
<v Speaker 2>this might be my last chance, and I remember what

0:37:46.880 --> 0:37:49.320
<v Speaker 2>Hank Aaron told me, and I had kind of listened

0:37:49.320 --> 0:37:51.640
<v Speaker 2>to some people before in the past, and I was like, no,

0:37:52.000 --> 0:37:54.839
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna listen. I'm gonna listen to myself and listen

0:37:54.920 --> 0:37:56.919
<v Speaker 2>to my heart. Yep.

0:37:58.800 --> 0:38:00.960
<v Speaker 1>You know what they say, Dusty, the only thing more

0:38:01.080 --> 0:38:03.440
<v Speaker 1>dangerous than somebody with a lot to gain is somebody

0:38:03.520 --> 0:38:06.080
<v Speaker 1>with nothing to lose. And there you were saying, I'm

0:38:06.120 --> 0:38:08.000
<v Speaker 1>at the end, I'm doing it my way.

0:38:08.880 --> 0:38:11.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right. Well, and then it made me the

0:38:11.320 --> 0:38:16.320
<v Speaker 2>wayside had done it my way like before that, because

0:38:17.040 --> 0:38:18.719
<v Speaker 2>I might have had like three or four more.

0:38:18.840 --> 0:38:28.920
<v Speaker 1>You know, that's just so beautiful. That's good, Dusty. We

0:38:29.320 --> 0:38:32.120
<v Speaker 1>kind of go around and we ask people like kitchen

0:38:32.200 --> 0:38:35.239
<v Speaker 1>sink questions. So this is a little bit kind of

0:38:35.280 --> 0:38:37.239
<v Speaker 1>a little out of the ordinary. But before we get

0:38:37.239 --> 0:38:40.960
<v Speaker 1>to the kitchen sink, tell the people and tell all

0:38:41.040 --> 0:38:44.320
<v Speaker 1>of us sort of the dynamic that you had with

0:38:44.480 --> 0:38:48.600
<v Speaker 1>Hank Aaron. Maybe stuff that people don't know about or

0:38:48.680 --> 0:38:50.879
<v Speaker 1>maybe can't read about, but I mean, I know how

0:38:51.040 --> 0:38:54.279
<v Speaker 1>critical he was in your development and in your life.

0:38:55.280 --> 0:38:57.719
<v Speaker 2>True. Well, you know, he promised my mother that he

0:38:57.719 --> 0:38:59.960
<v Speaker 2>would take care of me as if I was his son.

0:39:00.800 --> 0:39:04.880
<v Speaker 2>And also it was Ralph guard myself. We went to

0:39:04.960 --> 0:39:08.759
<v Speaker 2>Hank's home. We were in Hank's room every day on

0:39:08.880 --> 0:39:13.040
<v Speaker 2>the road. You know, if we had any problems, you know,

0:39:13.239 --> 0:39:17.640
<v Speaker 2>Hank was who we went to. And you know, Hank

0:39:17.760 --> 0:39:21.320
<v Speaker 2>always had an answer, and he had to answer for

0:39:22.120 --> 0:39:25.640
<v Speaker 2>everybody on our team. And the time that we were

0:39:25.760 --> 0:39:29.839
<v Speaker 2>lost was when when he broke the record seventy four

0:39:29.880 --> 0:39:34.239
<v Speaker 2>and then seventy five. We were all by ourself without Hank, Ralph,

0:39:34.680 --> 0:39:41.200
<v Speaker 2>Marty Perell's, you know, Darryl Evans, all of us were lost.

0:39:42.040 --> 0:39:46.360
<v Speaker 2>And you know, like Hank was not only our leader,

0:39:46.440 --> 0:39:49.959
<v Speaker 2>but he was the best citizen at the same time.

0:39:50.120 --> 0:39:53.399
<v Speaker 2>And a lot of times, you know, your best ball

0:39:53.480 --> 0:39:57.600
<v Speaker 2>player isn't necessarily your best citizen or leader. A lot

0:39:57.640 --> 0:40:00.480
<v Speaker 2>of times it's your secondary players that are that are

0:40:00.600 --> 0:40:03.960
<v Speaker 2>the primary, you know, leaders on your team. But the

0:40:04.080 --> 0:40:06.239
<v Speaker 2>thing that people don't know is how much Hank liked

0:40:06.280 --> 0:40:09.839
<v Speaker 2>to laugh. And you know, he'd make me and Ralph Nick,

0:40:10.040 --> 0:40:12.000
<v Speaker 2>make me and Ralph sit by him on the plane,

0:40:12.680 --> 0:40:16.920
<v Speaker 2>and you know, I mean he would like grab us

0:40:16.960 --> 0:40:19.239
<v Speaker 2>by our wrists and make sure we didn't leave it

0:40:19.360 --> 0:40:21.920
<v Speaker 2>in one time. We'd always go to Hank's room, so

0:40:22.200 --> 0:40:24.879
<v Speaker 2>Eddie Matthews would always check me in Ralph Guard's room

0:40:24.960 --> 0:40:27.839
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, Eddie's like, are you guys in here?

0:40:28.080 --> 0:40:30.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, Eddie, we're going to sleep. He says, okay.

0:40:31.000 --> 0:40:33.040
<v Speaker 2>So now we wait about thirty minutes and we go

0:40:33.120 --> 0:40:35.520
<v Speaker 2>to Hank's room and we sit down there and talk

0:40:35.920 --> 0:40:38.759
<v Speaker 2>and talk to Hank. And then one time Eddie comes

0:40:38.800 --> 0:40:41.480
<v Speaker 2>down there and he wants to talk to Hank because

0:40:41.560 --> 0:40:44.440
<v Speaker 2>he says he went back by our room and he goes, man,

0:40:44.480 --> 0:40:46.480
<v Speaker 2>those two little he used to call us little bastards.

0:40:46.480 --> 0:40:49.120
<v Speaker 2>Where those two little bastards at? And he goes, man,

0:40:49.160 --> 0:40:53.200
<v Speaker 2>they slipped out of the hotel. Well, we're in Hank's closet. Now,

0:40:57.800 --> 0:41:00.759
<v Speaker 2>Now Eddie wants to talk to Hank. Yeah, I think

0:41:00.840 --> 0:41:02.080
<v Speaker 2>did he have anything to drink.

0:41:01.920 --> 0:41:04.239
<v Speaker 5>That Eddie wants to drink? So me and Ralph we

0:41:04.360 --> 0:41:09.160
<v Speaker 5>were in there in that closet about two hours. We're

0:41:09.200 --> 0:41:11.920
<v Speaker 5>finding sleep in the closet.

0:41:16.160 --> 0:41:19.520
<v Speaker 1>That is that's fantastic. That is such a good So

0:41:19.719 --> 0:41:21.680
<v Speaker 1>did you you slept in the closet.

0:41:22.760 --> 0:41:27.560
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, until Eddie left, you know, were but but but

0:41:27.800 --> 0:41:30.680
<v Speaker 4>but Hay's closet was was was as big as me

0:41:30.800 --> 0:41:32.520
<v Speaker 4>and Ralph's room.

0:41:33.000 --> 0:41:33.200
<v Speaker 2>Room.

0:41:33.440 --> 0:41:36.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm sure right there are worse closets to have

0:41:36.600 --> 0:41:40.600
<v Speaker 1>to fall asleep in. All right, here's kitchen sink. You

0:41:40.719 --> 0:41:43.000
<v Speaker 1>managed thousands of players, Hall of famers, some of the

0:41:43.040 --> 0:41:46.480
<v Speaker 1>flameouts too. With which player left the most indelible impression

0:41:46.560 --> 0:41:46.759
<v Speaker 1>on you?

0:41:46.880 --> 0:42:02.680
<v Speaker 2>Which player? Hm? Boy? Uh, probably probably William McGhee will Why? Yeah, Well,

0:42:02.680 --> 0:42:06.640
<v Speaker 2>because WILLI was h constant team player, and Willie was

0:42:06.719 --> 0:42:10.919
<v Speaker 2>the same every day. And uh and uh, and he's

0:42:11.080 --> 0:42:15.200
<v Speaker 2>very unselfish. And then and Willie and he was very

0:42:16.000 --> 0:42:20.120
<v Speaker 2>you know, very humble. Yeah, internally he was, he was

0:42:22.239 --> 0:42:25.360
<v Speaker 2>very confident, but externally he's Externally he's very humble.

0:42:26.120 --> 0:42:29.399
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Uh, you've kind of given this one away, I think.

0:42:29.480 --> 0:42:31.640
<v Speaker 1>But you're a lover of basketball. Who was the best

0:42:31.680 --> 0:42:35.000
<v Speaker 1>player you ever saw play? And what was it about

0:42:35.080 --> 0:42:37.160
<v Speaker 1>his or her game that you liked the most?

0:42:38.480 --> 0:42:42.239
<v Speaker 2>Well, the best the best player I've seen play is

0:42:42.440 --> 0:42:48.000
<v Speaker 2>uh doctor J. Okay. I mean I loved the Algebata,

0:42:48.080 --> 0:42:51.200
<v Speaker 2>but I fell in love with doctor J. You know

0:42:51.360 --> 0:42:54.440
<v Speaker 2>when he was in the A B A. Because I

0:42:55.000 --> 0:42:57.480
<v Speaker 2>watched all them dudes. Man, you know Laverne Tard, I

0:42:57.520 --> 0:43:01.520
<v Speaker 2>played I played uh Downtown, I'm Freddie Brown. I played

0:43:01.600 --> 0:43:05.240
<v Speaker 2>high school basketball. You know, with Doctor Dunk, Darnel Hellman

0:43:05.280 --> 0:43:09.239
<v Speaker 2>who played with George McGinnis, and uh, you know, I'm

0:43:09.320 --> 0:43:13.680
<v Speaker 2>a basketball man, and that A b A. You know, Oh,

0:43:13.760 --> 0:43:15.840
<v Speaker 2>the A B A had some bad dudes, and the

0:43:16.000 --> 0:43:18.719
<v Speaker 2>Dan Issel and Charlie Scott, I mean, you name him,

0:43:19.239 --> 0:43:23.000
<v Speaker 2>and they had him, you know, big George McGinnis. I

0:43:23.640 --> 0:43:28.720
<v Speaker 2>just loved watching a BA basketball Elvin Hayes from the corner.

0:43:28.800 --> 0:43:32.400
<v Speaker 2>And I'm sure the big.

0:43:34.560 --> 0:43:37.920
<v Speaker 1>When you saw when you saw doctor J grab Larry

0:43:37.960 --> 0:43:40.760
<v Speaker 1>Bird by the throat and Bird grabbed J by the throat,

0:43:41.040 --> 0:43:43.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you were saying, choke him out, choke him

0:43:43.719 --> 0:43:44.200
<v Speaker 1>out right now.

0:43:44.920 --> 0:43:48.160
<v Speaker 2>But see, but I don't remember that. Oh yeah, you

0:43:48.160 --> 0:43:51.120
<v Speaker 2>don't remember that. Oh they choked. They had that in

0:43:51.200 --> 0:43:54.520
<v Speaker 2>the playoffs. They were choking each other. Okay, So who

0:43:55.440 --> 0:43:58.040
<v Speaker 2>choked out? Who tapped out? Anybody?

0:44:01.000 --> 0:44:03.239
<v Speaker 1>I think Daryl Garritson gotten away and broke him up.

0:44:03.680 --> 0:44:06.920
<v Speaker 1>JC O'Donnell. I have no idea commissioner for a day

0:44:07.800 --> 0:44:11.000
<v Speaker 1>baseball one rule would you either put in or take out?

0:44:13.120 --> 0:44:18.279
<v Speaker 2>I put in a margin around the automatic strike zone

0:44:19.440 --> 0:44:23.479
<v Speaker 2>because I put a margin about at least an inch

0:44:23.600 --> 0:44:26.800
<v Speaker 2>all the way around, because nobody has that kind of

0:44:26.880 --> 0:44:30.360
<v Speaker 2>eye except the machine, and not the umpire, not the batter,

0:44:30.560 --> 0:44:33.920
<v Speaker 2>not the pitcher, not the catcher. Nobody has that kind

0:44:33.920 --> 0:44:36.440
<v Speaker 2>of eye. Because when I go to these the games

0:44:36.520 --> 0:44:40.960
<v Speaker 2>and this hits like one hundredth of an inch, and oh,

0:44:41.120 --> 0:44:43.000
<v Speaker 2>the only guy that I remember they had that kind

0:44:43.040 --> 0:44:48.160
<v Speaker 2>of eye was he called him God. He was an umpire.

0:44:50.719 --> 0:44:53.160
<v Speaker 2>I can see him now and I would ask him,

0:44:53.200 --> 0:44:58.080
<v Speaker 2>I said, Man, I say, Doug Harvey. And as I'd

0:44:58.120 --> 0:45:00.680
<v Speaker 2>ask Doug, I said, Doug, where was that pitch? He says, Son,

0:45:01.880 --> 0:45:05.120
<v Speaker 2>it hit the front corner of the black And I

0:45:05.239 --> 0:45:16.440
<v Speaker 2>was like, I couldn't argue that that's why.

0:45:17.160 --> 0:45:22.800
<v Speaker 1>God, Yeah, last one on the kitchen sink, Dusty. So

0:45:23.120 --> 0:45:25.520
<v Speaker 1>in the book, you know, you're you're You've got Hendrix,

0:45:25.640 --> 0:45:28.680
<v Speaker 1>Jimmy Hendrix, You've got Barack Obama, you got all these

0:45:28.760 --> 0:45:32.279
<v Speaker 1>players and managers, you got friends, you got your as

0:45:32.320 --> 0:45:33.240
<v Speaker 1>you said, your boys.

0:45:33.840 --> 0:45:33.960
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

0:45:34.880 --> 0:45:37.359
<v Speaker 1>You know, if you had to spend the last sort

0:45:37.400 --> 0:45:40.600
<v Speaker 1>of supper with one of them, or somebody that you

0:45:40.719 --> 0:45:42.520
<v Speaker 1>haven't yet met, like, who would.

0:45:42.320 --> 0:45:42.840
<v Speaker 2>That be for you?

0:45:42.920 --> 0:45:47.200
<v Speaker 1>Because it seems like you've met everybody almost.

0:45:50.640 --> 0:45:54.600
<v Speaker 2>I'd probably like to spend it with, uh, because all

0:45:54.680 --> 0:45:57.520
<v Speaker 2>those people I already spent it with I probably like

0:45:57.600 --> 0:46:05.120
<v Speaker 2>spinding with Marcus Garvey, I think, hmm okay, why yeah, uh, well,

0:46:05.200 --> 0:46:09.839
<v Speaker 2>because you know, he was like he failed a couple

0:46:09.840 --> 0:46:16.360
<v Speaker 2>of businesses. You know, he was you know, first shipping

0:46:16.440 --> 0:46:19.880
<v Speaker 2>line to try to get Africa to the US or

0:46:20.080 --> 0:46:23.160
<v Speaker 2>to the Caribbean. You know, uh, you know, he's one

0:46:23.200 --> 0:46:27.440
<v Speaker 2>of my mom's heroes. And he went on through Latin America,

0:46:27.560 --> 0:46:28.800
<v Speaker 2>South America.

0:46:29.040 --> 0:46:29.120
<v Speaker 3>And.

0:46:30.719 --> 0:46:35.319
<v Speaker 2>I had the fortune I was fortunate to meet his son,

0:46:35.440 --> 0:46:39.320
<v Speaker 2>who's like, I think eighty five nine years old, Marcus

0:46:39.400 --> 0:46:43.279
<v Speaker 2>Garvey Junior. And uh, you know, and and see my

0:46:43.400 --> 0:46:47.279
<v Speaker 2>mom being a black history teacher, black history teacher, you know,

0:46:47.400 --> 0:46:50.560
<v Speaker 2>we always had books around and uh, you know, Marcus

0:46:50.640 --> 0:46:54.440
<v Speaker 2>Garby is one of my mom's favorite people. Thank you.

0:46:54.560 --> 0:46:55.840
<v Speaker 2>That's a great Thanks for sharing that.

0:46:56.600 --> 0:46:59.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's great, Dusty. As we kind of finish off here,

0:47:00.680 --> 0:47:03.279
<v Speaker 3>one thing we ask everybody is your MVP. Who's your

0:47:03.719 --> 0:47:06.759
<v Speaker 3>most valuable person in your life growing up, whether it's

0:47:06.840 --> 0:47:08.799
<v Speaker 3>baseball or away from the game.

0:47:08.840 --> 0:47:15.320
<v Speaker 2>Who is that for you? My dad? Yeah, that was

0:47:15.360 --> 0:47:15.759
<v Speaker 2>my dad.

0:47:16.320 --> 0:47:19.560
<v Speaker 3>That's simple. Yeah, that's awesome, man. What what kind of

0:47:19.640 --> 0:47:22.120
<v Speaker 3>impact did he have on you? Dusty? What was the

0:47:22.920 --> 0:47:26.080
<v Speaker 3>long lasting impact that he made on your life.

0:47:28.360 --> 0:47:32.080
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, I mean my dad, You know he

0:47:32.280 --> 0:47:35.640
<v Speaker 2>was He was honest. He was firm but fair. You

0:47:35.719 --> 0:47:38.200
<v Speaker 2>know if if fight, I mean my dad was firm now.

0:47:38.920 --> 0:47:41.319
<v Speaker 2>But my dad was a lot cooler than I gave

0:47:41.400 --> 0:47:43.279
<v Speaker 2>him credit for it because he didn't bust me on

0:47:43.440 --> 0:47:47.040
<v Speaker 2>every time he could have busted me. And then and

0:47:47.160 --> 0:47:49.320
<v Speaker 2>then he kind of let it pile up sometime and

0:47:49.360 --> 0:47:52.320
<v Speaker 2>then say, okay, boy, you think you're getting away with it.

0:47:52.680 --> 0:47:54.920
<v Speaker 2>The last week he did this, last month, he did this.

0:47:55.160 --> 0:47:57.200
<v Speaker 2>Eight months ago, you did this, and then a year

0:47:57.239 --> 0:48:02.920
<v Speaker 2>ago you did that. He knew I was getting a wing.

0:48:04.000 --> 0:48:05.319
<v Speaker 2>I thought I was getting away with something.

0:48:06.680 --> 0:48:08.799
<v Speaker 1>Jeez, I thought that. I thought that was your dad

0:48:08.880 --> 0:48:10.719
<v Speaker 1>called from the other side. As soon as you said Dad,

0:48:10.760 --> 0:48:12.839
<v Speaker 1>the phone rings and he's calling Dusty right now.

0:48:12.960 --> 0:48:15.719
<v Speaker 2>He knows hey, but no, But you know something, I

0:48:15.880 --> 0:48:18.440
<v Speaker 2>was in the in the World Series and I was

0:48:18.640 --> 0:48:20.480
<v Speaker 2>I was at a crossroads. I didn't know what to do.

0:48:20.640 --> 0:48:24.960
<v Speaker 2>Sometime in the game. You're not sure, so I said, Dad,

0:48:25.000 --> 0:48:27.279
<v Speaker 2>smile on me if you want me to go get

0:48:27.320 --> 0:48:31.600
<v Speaker 2>this picture. And actually it was it was grinky. When

0:48:31.600 --> 0:48:33.960
<v Speaker 2>they had the bases loaded that one time, yep, And

0:48:34.160 --> 0:48:36.320
<v Speaker 2>I was like and I was like, Dad, Everybody's like,

0:48:36.360 --> 0:48:38.080
<v Speaker 2>why'd you leave him out there? And I couldn't tell

0:48:38.120 --> 0:48:40.319
<v Speaker 2>everybody because my dad smiled on me, because they would

0:48:40.320 --> 0:48:43.800
<v Speaker 2>have like, come on your dad's past already. But but

0:48:44.880 --> 0:48:49.480
<v Speaker 2>if my dad showed no emotion at all, that meant

0:48:49.560 --> 0:48:51.920
<v Speaker 2>that he didn't like what you were about to do

0:48:52.840 --> 0:48:55.120
<v Speaker 2>or like what you were doing. But if my dad

0:48:55.280 --> 0:48:58.440
<v Speaker 2>just had a smile on his face, boom, then there

0:48:58.560 --> 0:49:04.040
<v Speaker 2>was one. Come all of these. I told you, I

0:49:04.160 --> 0:49:05.960
<v Speaker 2>told you he was a cool He was the coolest

0:49:06.000 --> 0:49:08.359
<v Speaker 2>man on the earth. Here you go. The book is Crossroads.

0:49:08.400 --> 0:49:09.520
<v Speaker 2>Please go get it.

0:49:09.560 --> 0:49:12.279
<v Speaker 1>It's Dusty Baker's memoirs. Dusty, we could talk to you

0:49:12.400 --> 0:49:15.400
<v Speaker 1>for about six weeks, and we're gratefully you spend some

0:49:15.480 --> 0:49:16.240
<v Speaker 1>time with us tonight.

0:49:16.280 --> 0:49:19.399
<v Speaker 2>Really, we are really grateful. Thank you very much. Yeah,

0:49:19.440 --> 0:49:23.200
<v Speaker 2>thank you you guys. It's been great. Thank you man, see,

0:49:24.080 --> 0:49:24.839
<v Speaker 2>thank you very much.

0:49:24.960 --> 0:49:27.160
<v Speaker 1>And certainly I want to thank all of the people

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<v Speaker 1>to justin that asked the questions of Dusty. They were phenomenal.

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<v Speaker 1>And we invite everybody to come and join us and

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<v Speaker 1>be a teammate. We call it the Parent Dugout, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's got so many different aspects to it. We think

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<v Speaker 1>that's going to make you and you are a child,

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<v Speaker 1>have the best journey they can. You get the Dirt

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<v Speaker 1>from the Dugout, which is the live show Baseball recruiting.

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<v Speaker 1>Confidential access to the best college coaches, learn about the

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<v Speaker 1>recruiting process from not only them, but from Justin who

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<v Speaker 1>knows it as well as anybody. Ask Justin and I

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<v Speaker 1>anything you want, we'll get back to you. The clubhouse

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<v Speaker 1>conversations bring parents together on their and you can learn

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<v Speaker 1>from the entire community. We really are grateful to all

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<v Speaker 1>of you. We continue to grow our team and we

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<v Speaker 1>look forward to continuing with Dirt from the Dugout and

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<v Speaker 1>all the other parts of the Parent Dugout. Justin, thanks man,

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<v Speaker 1>it's been great. We'll see you next week.

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<v Speaker 2>See Buddy,