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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. Governor Hople, thank you

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Speaker 1: very much for being here, Thanks for having me so

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Speaker 1: a lot to talk about. Let me start first though,

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Speaker 1: with what's in the news. A torrent of headlines about

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Speaker 1: President Biden's viability as a candidate. The Washington Post reporting

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Speaker 1: this morning that President Obama has expressed concerned about the

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Speaker 1: viability of his campaign. I think if you was such

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Speaker 1: a stalwarts supporter of President Biden, you came out and

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Speaker 1: said that, reiterated that after the debate performance. Has anything

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Speaker 1: changed in these recent days as you've seen kind of

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Speaker 1: the political train shift a bit.

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Speaker 2: What I said when I met the president literally the

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Speaker 2: day after his debate, he was here in New York City,

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Speaker 2: had a rally, a lot of energy, and then a

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Speaker 2: few days later all the governors gathered in Washington to

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Speaker 2: meet the President of the White House and ask him

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Speaker 2: some tough questions about that performance and where he goes

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Speaker 2: from there. When he said he is in it to

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Speaker 2: win it, he is going the distance. He is a

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Speaker 2: duly nominated candidate for president from the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 3: Once he said he's in, my.

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Speaker 2: View is he's going to be in He's staying as

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Speaker 2: long as he's staying in this race, I am with him.

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Speaker 2: He has delivered for New York in extraordinary ways that

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Speaker 2: I look forward to talking about even more. And I

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Speaker 2: believe in his vision for our country. So I am

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Speaker 2: with him as long as he wants to do this,

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Speaker 2: and he's been an extraordinary president.

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Speaker 1: So much of the reporting has centered on conversations that

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Speaker 1: leaders in Congress have reportedly had with President Biden, where

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Speaker 1: fortunate two of them are are New Yorkers Leader Schumer

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Speaker 1: and ha Kim Jefferies, the Minority leader. That has have

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Speaker 1: you talked to them about this? Have you registered your

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Speaker 1: feelings to them in conversations.

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Speaker 3: We have conversations all the time.

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Speaker 2: But when people say they're having private conversations, whether it's

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Speaker 2: with me or the president, then private means something you

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Speaker 2: don't devolves the contents. I won't be talking about my conversations,

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Speaker 2: but they know as the leader of the state of

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Speaker 2: New York, I have many priorities, but one on the

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Speaker 2: political side is wearing my hat as the head of

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Speaker 2: the Democratic Party to make sure that they passed to

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Speaker 2: King Jeffreys. Becoming the Speaker of the House of Representatives

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Speaker 2: goes right through New York State battleground areas like Long Island,

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Speaker 2: where I just was this week, up to the Hudson

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Speaker 2: enormous amount.

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Speaker 3: Of my energy.

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Speaker 2: I'm making sure that we take back the House. Because

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Speaker 2: I'm a former member of Congress, I serve in the minority,

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Speaker 2: and the representatives we have now who are in the

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Speaker 2: majority are not giving New Yorkers what they need, and

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Speaker 2: we need to change that dynamic.

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Speaker 1: So much of the concern that I hear from analysts

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Speaker 1: but politicians as well is what this means for candidates

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Speaker 1: down ballots. So let me have you talk a bit

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Speaker 1: more about that. Are you hearing any word any concern

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Speaker 1: from local political offices, from candidates about how this uncertainty,

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Speaker 1: this vacuum that has opened up since that debate, is

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Speaker 1: affecting the viability of candidates running for Congress, running for

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Speaker 2: I'll say this, having been elected in the most Republican

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Speaker 2: district in the entire state of New York, I know

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Speaker 2: that every has unique characteristics, The issues are different. You

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Speaker 2: lot of it's personality driven, a lot of its accomplishment driven.

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Speaker 2: So I think that you cannot possibly do that, but

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Speaker 2: I think that we high turnout in our state.

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Speaker 3: I really do.

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Speaker 2: I believe that this is going to create some energy

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Speaker 2: and excitement and the people who've been loyal to the

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Speaker 2: president from the beginning and districts where they carry by

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Speaker 2: twenty percent on Long Island will still be there for

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden and our congressional candidates as well. So everybody's

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Speaker 2: talking about everything, but when we're not talking about enough

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Speaker 2: is Donald Trump as a threat to this country. I

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Speaker 2: want to shift the conversation from Democrats who are doing

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Speaker 2: We used to talk about this when I worked during

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Speaker 2: for Santa moyehand. Democrats are always a little more rough

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Speaker 2: and tumble with our own, but we do line up

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Speaker 2: and get behind our candidates, and that's what I'm expecting

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Speaker 2: to see behind Joe Biden.

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Speaker 1: As the governor. You have to plan for both outcomes,

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Speaker 1: either buying re election victory or Donald Trumpert in the election.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you about that latter scenario if passed

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Speaker 1: his prologue. There were difficulties that the state had when

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Speaker 1: it came to funding, when it came to policies. What

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Speaker 1: and how do you think through those eventualities.

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Speaker 2: No, we're always prepared, but infrastructure is critically important. You

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Speaker 2: can proclaim that you're the infrastructure president not do anything

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Speaker 2: other than issue a press release, or you can actually

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Speaker 2: be the infrastructure president, which is why New York City

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Speaker 2: benefits from Gateway Tunnel, for example, the largest public project

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Speaker 2: done by the federal government in its history, and also

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Speaker 2: climate that Joe Biden created in saying we need incentives

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Speaker 2: it right here in the United States, and I as governor,

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Speaker 2: was able to deliver it for the State of New

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Speaker 2: York with our own incentive. So that kind of partnership

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Speaker 2: the relationship has. That's the largest private sector investment in

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Speaker 2: going on simultaneously here in the state of New York.

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Speaker 2: So I'm going to continue marching with Joe Biden if

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Speaker 2: it is not him. Those are areas where I'm concerned,

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Speaker 2: the investments in our economy, the job creation initiatives, the

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Speaker 2: workforce development, but also the major infrastructure which creates tens

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Speaker 2: of thousands of good paying jobs in our state.

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Speaker 1: You bring up infrastructure, let me use that to segue

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Speaker 1: to the latest polling. Note your approval rating is low

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Speaker 1: thirty eight percent, the lowest it's been. But there is

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Speaker 1: a bright light I think you would say in that

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Speaker 1: polling when it comes to the decision that you made

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Speaker 1: at the eleventh hour to put a hold on congestion

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Speaker 1: pricing in New York. Forty five percent of voters in

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Speaker 1: New York agree with that decision. A pause is inherently temporary.

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Speaker 1: What is it going to take, What will make you

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Speaker 2: Potentially, the pause is in place because the world has

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Speaker 2: radically changed since congestion pricing was first initiated in twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 2: Inflation is a factor that's affecting New York families.

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Speaker 3: When you live in the city suburbs.

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Speaker 2: Whatever we have to not be toned deaf to New

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Speaker 2: Yorkers are saying fifteen dollars to come into the city

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Speaker 2: right now when I'm a teacher, I'm a firefighter, thirty

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Speaker 2: eight hundred dollars more year to work in Manhattan. It's

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Speaker 1: If it were lower, would that be more appealing.

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Speaker 3: To There's other ways to deal with this.

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Speaker 2: I will continue supporting the infrastructure projects that were contemplated

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Speaker 2: to be funded by congestion pricing, and those who say

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Speaker 2: talking about. We'll be talking about this more throughout the

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Speaker 2: rest of this year. Nothing can really happen until the

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Speaker 2: legislature's back, but that doesn't mean that we won't have

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Speaker 2: a path forward that addresses congestion, that addresses funding for

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Speaker 2: And there are other models in London, they started, for example,

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Speaker 2: at five pounds, not fifteen.

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Speaker 3: It takes time, so I just can't do that.

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Speaker 2: The hard working New Yorkers they want relief, They want

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Speaker 2: someone who actually listens to them, and that's exactly what

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Speaker 2: I did.

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Speaker 1: Do you regret how this happened? I've talked to a

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Speaker 1: lot of people who say, you didn't telegraph this. This

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Speaker 1: wasn't even something that a lot of people thought could

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Speaker 1: Do you regret the way that it came out, in

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Speaker 2: When I reflect back, I would simply say this. There

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Speaker 2: has been a strong reaction by those who have the microphone,

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Speaker 2: the individuals in certain media for example, and voices that

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Speaker 3: But what we're not hearing.

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Speaker 2: What I hear that others are not listening to are

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Speaker 2: the healthcare workers who are so grateful, the hotel workers

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Speaker 2: who gave me a standing ovation because they don't now

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Speaker 2: have to pay almost four thousand dollars more year. The

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Speaker 2: said thank you. Because everything would get pushed down to

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Speaker 3: So I will say this, if there was a.

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Speaker 2: Way to mobilize those voices and give the other perspective

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Speaker 2: and have media talk about those who simply say, we

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Speaker 2: finally have a governor who pays attention, even at my

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Speaker 2: relieve New Yorker's pain. And that is real. So that

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Speaker 2: We had nine lawsuits opposing this, so at any point

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Speaker 2: have been the death knell of congestion pricing. Right there,

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Speaker 2: I put in a pause. I did not kill it.

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Speaker 2: I put in a pause to consider the path forward.

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Speaker 1: At this time, there was some speculation that you did

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Speaker 1: this because there was concern about the down ballot races

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Speaker 1: we were talking about before, that you were receiving some

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Speaker 2: People can always speculate about my motivation, but they ought

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Speaker 2: to know I come from a blue collar community.

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Speaker 3: I know what It's like, when you're worried about it, you're.

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Speaker 2: Going to be able to send your kids to college

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Speaker 3: That's real for a lot of New Yorkers.

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Speaker 2: And whether they're from Staten Allen or coming in from

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Speaker 3: It's real.

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Speaker 2: So we will continue focusing on the objectives that are

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Speaker 2: behind congestion pricing, and they.

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Speaker 3: Are meritorious and I support.

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Speaker 2: Them, but let's just give New Yorkers a break.

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Speaker 1: My last question is going back to the political terrain

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Speaker 1: congress Woman Stephonic made the assertion that New York could

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Speaker 1: York State. Is that something with which you agree? And

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Speaker 1: I wonder if looking back on the race that you

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Speaker 1: election this year, as you look ahead to twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: four twenty twenty six, are the lessons to be learned

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Speaker 1: from the race that you ran, which I think was

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Speaker 2: Expected, and look at the unique circumstances of that race.

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Speaker 2: I became governor and had to run instantaneously, like a

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Speaker 2: and there were strong campaign forces that tried to paint

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Speaker 2: decade earlier in California in ads saying Kathy Hocheles keeping

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Speaker 2: how successfully the Republicans weaponized that issue against someone who's

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Speaker 2: married to a federal prosecutor. My son's a federal prosecutor,

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Speaker 2: and I've always stood strongly with funding and supporting our

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Speaker 2: takeaway from that that was unique circumstance. They were able

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Speaker 2: to paint me a certain way because New Yorkers didn't

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Speaker 3: To see what I've accomplished.

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Speaker 2: So we will not be going read as much as

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Speaker 2: everybody and at that convention would love to see it,

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Speaker 2: it's not happening.

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Speaker 3: Governor. Great to see you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Governor Cathy Hopel, the fifty seventh governor of that stayed

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Speaker 1: in New York