00:00:02 Speaker 1: When I. 00:00:09 Speaker 2: Invited you here I thought I made myself perfectly clear When you're a guest in my home You gotta come to me empty-handed I said no gifts, your presence is presence enough And I already had too much stuff So how do you dare disobey me? 00:00:39 Speaker 1: Guitar solo. 00:00:47 Speaker 3: Welcome to I Said No Gifts, I'm Richard Weiniger. We're here. I'm back from TJ Maxx. The line was around the store. If you were looking for a deal, you'd still be there. I'm glad I didn't find anything. Morning. The morning for me started... This morning I woke up and almost immediately began texting with the manufacturer of my garbage disposal. And we texted back and forth. It was electric. And then I realized it wasn't the, I don't own the garbage disposal I thought I owned. Totally different brand. I was texting with a woman that had no interest in my garbage disposal. But I will say the customer service at Insincorator is excellent. They were very on top of it. If I owned an NSYNC creator, I'd be on top of the world. So look into that brand. I had to get my garbage disposal working on my own. Is there anything else going on? Let's see. I don't think so. Let's see if I have any notes here. No, I just Patreon, patreon.com slash I said no gifts. I'm breaking my back. The amount of content that's being produced, it should be illegal. I'm exploiting myself. Go over there, listen to bonus episodes, episodes of me recapping almost anything on television to do with women in Utah and every commercial I see. So that's over there. Hopefully I said the address. My memory is failing. I think that's about it. Your spouse might be hiding something from you. That's something to think about. I don't have any evidence, but just keep that in mind. I want to get into the episode. I absolutely adore today's guest. We were supposed to be eating shepherd's pie right now, and instead I trapped her in the podcast. It's Anna Dresden. 00:03:01 Speaker 4: Hello. Anna. 00:03:02 Speaker 1: Hi. 00:03:03 Speaker 3: How are you? 00:03:05 Speaker 4: I'm good. I feel bamboozled and wrecked. I was wearing soft pants, and now I'm wearing hard ones. 00:03:13 Speaker 3: We really had planned for me to come over and have shepherd's pie. 00:03:17 Speaker 2: Yes. 00:03:18 Speaker 3: And then life intervened. 00:03:21 Speaker 4: You have to do a certain number of podcast hours per week in the terms of your parole. I'm sentenced. Yeah. No, I think it's good. The conversation is probably better here. Yeah. 00:03:32 Speaker 3: What would we be talking about over shepherd's pie? 00:03:35 Speaker 4: Have you heard anything? Just at all. 00:03:40 Speaker 3: Speaking of sentences, have you seen this documentary, A Killer Story or Killer Story? 00:03:46 Speaker 4: I have not, but this is on Netflix and it's a hot one. HBO, okay, great, close. 00:03:50 Speaker 3: You've got to get into this thing. 00:03:51 Speaker 4: Tell me about it. 00:03:52 Speaker 3: Three episodes about a gal who may or may not have shot her husband and his new wife in the 90s, went to prison, then a couple, just two, people out in the middle of somewhere decided they were going to get her out of jail. And they teamed up with a journalist from the New York Times. And then we watched it all unfold. We watched it unfold and were left– well, I don't think you're wondering anything at all at the end. I think you're actually pretty clear throughout what probably happened. But it's– watching this lady's journey is interesting. 00:04:31 Speaker 4: She does it again. 00:04:32 Speaker 3: She digs him up. 00:04:36 Speaker 4: Good morning. 00:04:37 Speaker 3: No, but I think you would like it. I think you would be interested in this thing. 00:04:41 Speaker 4: Here's the thing. I thought I was done with true crime. 00:04:43 Speaker 3: You always think that. 00:04:44 Speaker 4: But then they rolled out body cam. 00:04:46 Speaker 3: Wait, the... Body cams. Technology. The technology. I mean, I was like, oh, is there now just a show called Body Cam? 00:04:51 Speaker 4: There's a new show where it's just a live feed of a body cam. Yeah. No, it's just I find that angle really compelling. 00:04:57 Speaker 1: Of course. 00:04:58 Speaker 4: Because you're like really in their face. Because usually with true crime, you get the security and you're not seeing faces. 00:05:05 Speaker 1: Right. 00:05:05 Speaker 4: But this you're seeing. 00:05:07 Speaker 3: Yeah, I am a little nostalgic for the corner camera, though. There's something about like in the interrogation room that. 00:05:14 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:05:14 Speaker 3: Something a little eerie about it or something. 00:05:17 Speaker 4: To see someone sit on a chair is so vulnerable. 00:05:20 Speaker 3: I think the last real use usage of that was the Sherry Papini. 00:05:23 Speaker 4: You told me about her and I still haven't watched it. 00:05:26 Speaker 3: You got to get into Papini. 00:05:27 Speaker 4: What does she do? She sang backup for Muddy Waters. I don't remember. 00:05:34 Speaker 3: Sherry Papini is a timeless name. 00:05:38 Speaker 4: She was four foot one. She sang with her cousins. My brain doesn't make memories anymore. Can you remind me? 00:05:46 Speaker 3: She's the woman who kidnapped herself. 00:05:49 Speaker 4: Of course. 00:05:50 Speaker 3: And then had her kind of stuck around her ex-boyfriend's condo or whatever it was in Orange County. Had him hold up a hockey stick that she ran into to make herself look like she'd been kidnapped. She had a whole thing. And I don't, where is she today? I don't know. 00:06:08 Speaker 4: I don't know. 00:06:08 Speaker 3: I don't think she's in jail, but she might, she may have already served her time. 00:06:14 Speaker 4: She's somewhere. 00:06:15 Speaker 3: It's one of those great crimes that makes you extremely famous and isn't really that much of a crime. So you go to prison, you get a documentary out of it, and then you move on. 00:06:24 Speaker 4: Everyone sleeps at night. 00:06:25 Speaker 3: Everybody gets to go back to bed. I, speaking of memory loss, this is probably something you're also, I'm just bringing up media that you've probably aren't consuming yet, but I'm reading Emma Klein's new book, Switzy. Are you familiar with this? 00:06:39 Speaker 4: No. 00:06:40 Speaker 3: It's about someone with cognitive decline. And I don't recommend, if you're worried about your memory, I don't recommend reading it. Because I wake up and start reading this every morning and then just begin a panic spiral. 00:06:54 Speaker 4: What are you doing to counteract the slow march? 00:06:57 Speaker 3: When I forget, when I'm trying to remember something, I'm trying to really just sit there And try to remember. Today I was really trying to remember Christian Bale's name. 00:07:05 Speaker 4: I can't believe you got it. I. 00:07:08 Speaker 3: Well, actually... I can't remember it now. 00:07:09 Speaker 4: I didn't get it. Oh, you didn't? You Googled. 00:07:11 Speaker 3: Okay. I looked up Batman Begins Cast. 00:07:14 Speaker 4: That is the craziest way to find out his name. 00:07:18 Speaker 3: That's a horrifying thing to reveal. What am I doing? 00:07:22 Speaker 4: And you knew which one? 00:07:23 Speaker 1: Oh. 00:07:26 Speaker 4: But you remembered it just now. Yeah. Which I think is great. 00:07:29 Speaker 3: Yeah. So, obviously... Something worked. Do you struggle to remember things? 00:07:35 Speaker 4: Yeah, in a scary way. 00:07:37 Speaker 3: And I think that something happens in your brain when you're trying to remember and you don't. You start panicking and it makes it worse. 00:07:42 Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Right? You hydroplane. 00:07:45 Speaker 3: Oh, God, that feeling. 00:07:47 Speaker 4: You've got to just not break at all. Just go like, oh, I don't know. And then you'll hit it. 00:07:52 Speaker 3: Yeah, especially with celebrity names. I think that's my main weakness. 00:07:55 Speaker 4: Do you think we could manifest making each other not remember a celebrity name right now? 00:08:00 Speaker 2: Oh, wow. 00:08:01 Speaker 3: Truly almost any celebrity. I will panic and not remember. 00:08:05 Speaker 4: She won the Oscar for Paper Moon. Oh. 00:08:12 Speaker 3: I actually don't know. 00:08:13 Speaker 4: Is it Sean Young? Everyone's 25. No one knows. 00:08:21 Speaker 3: We haven't talked since you were in Utah. Actually, I wanted to talk about Costco as well, which you don't go to. 00:08:28 Speaker 4: I go sometimes, and I'm allowed to have my own cart. But my husband is from the state that you're from, which is very popular right now. Very hot state. You can feel it about to start. 00:08:40 Speaker 3: We're in the last days of Taylor Frankie Paul is nailing the coffin herself. 00:08:49 Speaker 4: Was Waco the one? Yeah, it feels Waco-y. 00:08:54 Speaker 3: Yeah, it does feel a little David Koresh. 00:08:56 Speaker 4: Well, she's in there. 00:08:57 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:08:58 Speaker 4: Or what was the one Ruby Ridge? It feels Ruby Ridge. 00:09:01 Speaker 3: Oh, the Idaho thing. 00:09:03 Speaker 4: Where it's like, should we just leave her alone? And then she posts something crazy and it's like, we should just line up outside her house. 00:09:09 Speaker 3: They probably have the– what arm of the government is it? It's the– ATF. ATF, that's right. 00:09:16 Speaker 4: My memory is amazing right now. That's very good. I remembered both of the things that came up. 00:09:21 Speaker 3: I would have to go through like– Seven different acronyms before I got to ATF. 00:09:25 Speaker 4: Did you see the video of Taylor Frankie Paul's assistant doing a day in the life? 00:09:33 Speaker 1: No. 00:09:34 Speaker 4: So it's like, come with me as I do my job as Taylor Frankie Paul's personal assistant. And it's that she goes to, I think BJ's. It wasn't Costco. Stocks up on a Lonnie. The caffeine. 00:09:50 Speaker 3: Of course. 00:09:50 Speaker 4: The mother's caffeine soda. 00:09:52 Speaker 3: I've seen Taylor carrying that around on the show. 00:09:54 Speaker 4: Yes. And then she picks up, she goes to a P.O. box, I think and brings in a bunch of packages. 00:10:02 Speaker 3: Fan mail? 00:10:03 Speaker 4: Just like knives and like powders. And then she grabs one of Taylor's Stanley mugs and fills it with ice and then pours a bunch of Alani's into it. And then gives a thumbs up to camera. 00:10:22 Speaker 3: That's the day in the life. 00:10:24 Speaker 4: No, she also picks up Taylor Frankie Paul's children's toys and puts it away. And it was like– Yeah. 00:10:32 Speaker 3: Well, how many– I feel like you can probably like– your body can handle probably two of Alani's a day. 00:10:39 Speaker 4: It does explain her posting behavior. Yeah. The like AI content. 00:10:44 Speaker 3: Oh, I haven't seen the AI content. The last thing I saw was that she's renting out her basement apartment. 00:10:48 Speaker 4: That I also saw– Which is crazy because the proof that people posted was like, that doesn't look like the same place. 00:10:54 Speaker 3: Oh, yes. I got really confused because I was like, wait, I literally didn't even know they were trying to post proof because the images were so clearly two different homes. 00:11:02 Speaker 4: It's a different home. 00:11:03 Speaker 3: I guess. 00:11:03 Speaker 4: I don't know. Oh. Maybe there is an address in the apartment listing. No, because why would you put the address? That's so stupid. 00:11:12 Speaker 3: So it's not her basement apartment or it's the basement apartment of a different house. 00:11:17 Speaker 4: I bet it's a basement apartment of a different house. 00:11:19 Speaker 3: That she owns. 00:11:20 Speaker 4: Your money goes further. 00:11:21 Speaker 3: Maybe that Leigh-Anne owns. 00:11:22 Speaker 4: They all lease. All of them lease. 00:11:25 Speaker 3: Well, Jen Affleck's in a new Airbnb. 00:11:29 Speaker 4: Leasing is the new owning. These girls are Airbnb-ing with Meemaw's wedding dress. 00:11:35 Speaker 3: But isn't that true of most reality stars? 00:11:38 Speaker 4: Yeah, for shooting. I feel like these girls are always like, moving day. I'm like, you're moving from one dorm to another. 00:11:46 Speaker 3: When they say they're moving that often, it's like, well, it seems like your life is a disaster. No one moves that often unless there's like a– you're running from something. 00:11:54 Speaker 4: It's something to do. Something's wrong. We should move. Fuck, I'm pregnant. 00:12:00 Speaker 3: So I guess maybe she's not renting out the apartment. I would have loved to pounce on that opportunity. Can you imagine? 00:12:08 Speaker 4: That is who's your landlord if you're renting a basement in– where is she, Sandy? 00:12:13 Speaker 1: No. 00:12:15 Speaker 3: See, this is the other thing about Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Constantly the chyron says Salt Lake City and then what they show is Provo. 00:12:23 Speaker 4: Yes. 00:12:23 Speaker 3: Every time. 00:12:24 Speaker 4: And Catholic churches. 00:12:25 Speaker 3: Yeah, and Catholic churches, which makes– I have a huge beef with that issue. 00:12:28 Speaker 4: A close-up of Notre Dame. 00:12:30 Speaker 3: They're showing all these crosses and stuff. They're missing just like the most basic iconography. 00:12:36 Speaker 4: Two Carmelite nuns walking, rosaries swinging. 00:12:44 Speaker 3: Oh, they've got to put me in charge. But I think the show is basically done. They've all jumped ship. 00:12:49 Speaker 4: The girls are all going to be humanely euthanized. 00:12:53 Speaker 3: What do you do with people like that after this thing? They're all 25. 00:12:57 Speaker 4: They go on Traitors and they go on the other shows that need girls. 00:13:04 Speaker 3: Do you watch the Traitors? 00:13:05 Speaker 4: I can't get into it. I don't like freeform socializing in general. And so the first episode, you really just do have to watch it. 16 people move into a house. I guess I don't like people moving. 00:13:17 Speaker 3: Here's the thing. This is my biggest issue with it is they don't live there. 00:13:20 Speaker 4: What are you talking about? 00:13:22 Speaker 3: When I found this out, the way that the bottom of that thing fell out for me. Where do they go? Some motel by the airport. That's one of the reasons I would watch a reality show is to watch these people trapped together. I mean, I feel like that's where the most interesting dynamics come from. 00:13:37 Speaker 1: Wow. 00:13:38 Speaker 4: I guess it would be a lot easier to get people there if they knew they had their own bathroom. Yeah. They wouldn't be filmed. They wouldn't be filmed while sleeping. 00:13:46 Speaker 1: Right. 00:13:47 Speaker 4: Only be filmed when camera ready. 00:13:48 Speaker 3: But that's just a basic part of reality TV. 00:13:51 Speaker 4: Would you rather have more exciting cast people or they all live there and it's we get who we get? 00:14:00 Speaker 3: I think you'd end up with more freaks this way. 00:14:03 Speaker 4: Do you like freaks? 00:14:04 Speaker 3: Yes. 00:14:06 Speaker 4: But freaks get shy on camera. 00:14:08 Speaker 3: Well, I don't think this sort of freaks. 00:14:10 Speaker 4: Have you ever seen a dad at a wedding? The craziest dad is sitting there with his hands in his lap. That's crazy people. 00:14:17 Speaker 3: Have we lost the spirit of like the real world where these people show up and are happy to be on camera and living in a house together? 00:14:23 Speaker 2: Yes. 00:14:24 Speaker 3: I guess it's because it is really a job now. So it's really a thing where you want to be the professional version of the reality star. 00:14:31 Speaker 4: Yeah. No one is showing up on reality TV without having an agent or a lawyer look at something. It used to just be like, shit, yeah, I'm free. 00:14:39 Speaker 3: I've got the summer. 00:14:40 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:14:42 Speaker 3: But– Yeah, the show truly leads you to believe they live there. They say, we're going to bed. Then they go up the stairs. 00:14:51 Speaker 4: I need to know, do they share vans to the motel? 00:14:56 Speaker 3: Right. Are they allowed to talk to each other at the motel? They probably aren't. 00:15:00 Speaker 4: Oh, is it like the OJ jury? 00:15:02 Speaker 3: It's probably exactly like the OJ jury. The stakes are just as high. 00:15:07 Speaker 4: It's so good. 00:15:08 Speaker 3: But they probably do use the same tech. You'd have to. 00:15:12 Speaker 4: Imagine how lackadaisical the crew must be. 00:15:15 Speaker 3: Oh, everybody there is just like, what? 00:15:17 Speaker 4: Where am I? Nothing makes me crankier than a British crew. 00:15:22 Speaker 3: Some low-budget Scottish crew. 00:15:24 Speaker 4: Why are you smiling? Why are you smiling? 00:15:29 Speaker 3: Well, I'm sad to hear you don't like the traitors. I don't like about 50% of the show when they're doing a physical challenge because the games are so convoluted. It's like. 00:15:41 Speaker 3: I just lose– I have no idea what's going on ever. 00:15:45 Speaker 4: Is it like Survivor where they do puzzles that stand up? 00:15:49 Speaker 3: Sort of, yeah. But then there will be like four other elements and then they're trying to collect some sort of object. I tune out. I wait for that part to be over. 00:16:01 Speaker 4: Fast forward through it or you let it play? 00:16:03 Speaker 3: Do I fast forward? I let it play. It's just my free looking at my phone time, I guess. 00:16:08 Speaker 4: That's for Bridger. 00:16:08 Speaker 3: And then I'm locked in. 00:16:12 Speaker 4: I won't rush you. You won't rush me. 00:16:14 Speaker 3: What are you consuming? 00:16:16 Speaker 4: Couples therapy. 00:16:17 Speaker 1: Oh. 00:16:19 Speaker 3: See, when that comes out, I just blow through it. 00:16:22 Speaker 4: Well, I somehow completely forgot the end of season one or just didn't finish it. 00:16:29 Speaker 3: What happens? 00:16:30 Speaker 4: I don't. I know that now Annie and Mal are divorced. 00:16:34 Speaker 2: Okay. 00:16:34 Speaker 4: Because I am on the subreddit. I don't know. 00:16:37 Speaker 3: Most of these people are divorced. 00:16:40 Speaker 4: Everyone should be. Be divorced. I think everyone should get married and then everyone should also get divorced except for us. 00:16:48 Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like almost every couple on that. But I feel like, of course, you are. 00:16:52 Speaker 4: Yeah. Who do you like on that show? Or who do you hate the most? 00:16:59 Speaker 3: There's no chance I'm going to be able to think of a single one of these people. There's the guy who's obsessed with his birthday. Do you remember this guy? 00:17:05 Speaker 4: That's Mal. 00:17:06 Speaker 3: Really? 00:17:07 Speaker 4: That's the one who lost his mind that she didn't. 00:17:10 Speaker 3: Celebrate it, right? 00:17:12 Speaker 2: Yes. 00:17:12 Speaker 4: That she threw him a big orgy and he was like, you did it wrong. 00:17:15 Speaker 3: Yes, I couldn't stand him. 00:17:17 Speaker 4: He's really bad. 00:17:18 Speaker 3: He seems like a genuinely prison-bound scumbag. 00:17:23 Speaker 4: He owns a restaurant. 00:17:24 Speaker 3: Oh, of course. 00:17:25 Speaker 4: He and Annie owned a restaurant together. 00:17:26 Speaker 3: A restaurant with black toilets. 00:17:28 Speaker 4: Oh, just, and there's 3M tape on the bathroom wall, nothing on top of it, just the tape. The idea of soap. I really, I have trouble with them. 00:17:40 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:17:40 Speaker 4: But they're very clippable. If you follow the Couples Therapy YouTube channel, they're always clipping. The Couples Therapy channel on YouTube will make super cuts that are like five of the biggest pieces of shit who have ever been on the show. And it's like, or like Dr. Orna locks horns with narcissists. And then it shows it and then It's still like the show is produced by therapists. I'm like, where is the law? 00:18:10 Speaker 1: Right. 00:18:11 Speaker 3: That part feels tough because if you just watch the show, I mean outside of– there's some ethical things just falling apart because you're on camera. 00:18:21 Speaker 4: I love that that show exists. I do think it's doing a public good. I think it's Sesame Street for adults. It's like showing you what things could be. 00:18:30 Speaker 3: It makes you feel– so much better about your relationship. 00:18:34 Speaker 4: Oh, my God. It also makes me more patient with other people in public. Like, anytime I'm like, those people are driving crazy. I'm like, some of them are married to people that they baseline despise. 00:18:44 Speaker 3: Yes. 00:18:44 Speaker 4: And, like, I would also drive insane. The man in the. 00:18:49 Speaker 3: Thruple may have burned down part of California. 00:18:51 Speaker 4: I love the man in the thruple. If you go on the Couples Therapy subreddit, there are people posting, I used to live with him because their apartment was one of those, like, revolving door, like... What do they call it where it's like if you live here, like you have to eat dinner with us and you have chores. 00:19:07 Speaker 3: Oh, Flophouse? 00:19:09 Speaker 4: Yeah, Flophouse. Fancy Flophouse. 00:19:12 Speaker 3: What is that? It's like a it's not a commune. 00:19:14 Speaker 4: It's like co-work, co-living space, cohabitating. 00:19:20 Speaker 3: Flophouse. Yeah. 00:19:22 Speaker 4: But that like he would never do his chores and he also wouldn't eat meals with them. And then he was a piece of shit. And I was like, yeah, I know. 00:19:29 Speaker 3: Actually, this sounds like me when I first moved to L.A. I lived with a couple and their baby, and they were very upset that I didn't want to eat dinner with them. 00:19:36 Speaker 4: That's crazy. They were insane. How did you find them? 00:19:43 Speaker 3: Craigslist. Everything about it was very poor decision-making on my part. I think I was because they needed to rent out this room. 00:19:53 Speaker 4: Okay. 00:19:54 Speaker 3: And it was clear that these were two people who had spent a lot of time in the club scene in the 90s, both of them extremely tan and were probably like the money was drying up. So it was like, well, let's find a guy on Craigslist to take the room across from the baby. 00:20:07 Speaker 4: You really do have– Perfect Craigslist roommate written all over your face. If you came to the Starbucks to meet up with me, I'd say jackpot. 00:20:18 Speaker 3: Well, I hadn't even met them. I had a phone call while walking through a Walmart in Sandy, Utah with one of them. And that's how we confirmed that I'd be staying with them. 00:20:28 Speaker 4: And how long after that phone call were you there? 00:20:32 Speaker 3: I don't know, a month, maybe three weeks. Not long. 00:20:36 Speaker 4: What was their house like? 00:20:38 Speaker 3: It's now demolished. It was right behind Magnolia Bakery on 3rd Street. It was like a part of a duplex or something. And they had a giant signed poster of Crazy Town, the band. 00:20:54 Speaker 4: Did they ever explain how they knew Crazy Town? 00:20:57 Speaker 3: I pretty quickly just tried to shut down any communication with them. But, of course, I was so curious. 00:21:03 Speaker 1: Oh, my God. 00:21:04 Speaker 4: You know Crazy Town. How do you guys know each other? Where is that conversation going? Just go in your room. 00:21:08 Speaker 3: Why does Crazy Town have a six-foot-tall poster? 00:21:11 Speaker 4: Did they ever, like, ask you, hey, would you mind kind of keeping an eye on the baby? 00:21:17 Speaker 2: No. 00:21:18 Speaker 3: I was only there for three months. And they were almost immediately mad at me because I didn't want to pay $ 150 a week for groceries. 00:21:25 Speaker 4: You were there— answer to a lot of problems. 00:21:32 Speaker 3: And then not. 00:21:33 Speaker 4: You did not fulfill. 00:21:36 Speaker 3: They were so mad when I left, but they still made me take pictures of the whole place and post it on Craigslist. 00:21:44 Speaker 4: You work there. Not only are you one of their children, you're also their realtor. 00:21:48 Speaker 3: It was so great. 00:21:49 Speaker 4: Three months is so long. 00:21:51 Speaker 3: Oh, it felt like forever. And you can't be mad at me. I didn't have a year lease. I can leave whenever I want. 00:21:56 Speaker 4: I'm a scary man. 00:21:57 Speaker 3: I'm a scary... I'm... I'm a nobody's person. I could, you know, you just let me into your house. I could be a ghost. 00:22:05 Speaker 4: I'm a nobody's person. 00:22:07 Speaker 3: It's entirely their fault. 00:22:09 Speaker 4: How do you feel about the like trend of plays in Los Angeles that are like haunted? 00:22:17 Speaker 3: I saw, I did see Paranormal Activity, the play. 00:22:22 Speaker 4: I did too. Guess what? I loved it. 00:22:24 Speaker 3: Had a wonderful time. 00:22:26 Speaker 4: I brought up this trend like I didn't like the trend. 00:22:29 Speaker 3: Are there more of them? 00:22:30 Speaker 4: There was one called 222, A Ghost Story. 00:22:33 Speaker 3: Okay. 00:22:34 Speaker 4: That was pretty similar. 00:22:35 Speaker 2: Was it scary? 00:22:35 Speaker 4: It came out a year before. It was terrifying. 00:22:37 Speaker 3: I couldn't believe I was scared by a play. 00:22:39 Speaker 4: Oh, my God. We screamed. People behind me on a date screamed. 00:22:44 Speaker 3: I will say that part of the fear came from the fact that the first hour is whispering. And then the moment you hear anything above a whisper, of course, you're going to be terrified. 00:22:55 Speaker 4: I just think it's scary when people go into a house. I'm like, as we've established. 00:23:01 Speaker 3: I love haunted houses. I love them, too. I love a little bit of spookiness. And there aren't enough haunted house movies or at least the type of haunted houses I like. 00:23:10 Speaker 4: It's not enough. What was your favorite? 00:23:13 Speaker 3: I don't like a new build. I don't. I don't think that that's— You think. 00:23:15 Speaker 4: That makes your original— you like an old haunted house? 00:23:19 Speaker 3: I prefer kind of a hacky old haunted house. 00:23:24 Speaker 4: Did you like Haunting of Hill House? 00:23:26 Speaker 3: The TV show? 00:23:27 Speaker 2: Yes. 00:23:28 Speaker 3: I love the book. I love the original movie. And I don't like when maybe it's our trauma. 00:23:36 Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. 00:23:38 Speaker 3: I think I need to give it another chance because people loved it so much. You liked it. 00:23:42 Speaker 4: I loved it. My experience with it was very much my experience of Stephen King where the cynical part of me is like, this is corny. But then every other part of me is like absolutely riveted and so happy and ready to make fan art. It's so scary. 00:24:01 Speaker 3: Is it? Just tell me this. Is there like... A chance that it's actually ghosts in the show, or is it just it is our trauma? Because if it is our trauma, I'm not watching it. 00:24:12 Speaker 4: That is such a good question. I'm trying to remember. It's both. 00:24:16 Speaker 3: I need at least one real visitor from the other side. 00:24:19 Speaker 4: They're all real. 00:24:20 Speaker 3: Okay. 00:24:22 Speaker 4: It might be kind of both where it is ghosts, but the thing we need to do is face the thing. 00:24:29 Speaker 3: Uh-huh. 00:24:31 Speaker 4: But also, like, it doesn't have a— I wouldn't say it has a happy ending. 00:24:35 Speaker 3: Okay. 00:24:35 Speaker 4: It's quite scary. Do you like scary scary? 00:24:38 Speaker 3: I like scary. 00:24:39 Speaker 4: It is quite scary. 00:24:40 Speaker 3: I just like real ghosts. 00:24:42 Speaker 4: The ghosts are fucking real, Richard. You could reach out and not touch these things. They're scary ass. 00:24:50 Speaker 3: Okay. 00:24:51 Speaker 4: They're going around. They're being all crazy. 00:24:52 Speaker 1: Okay. 00:24:53 Speaker 3: Being all crazy. 00:24:55 Speaker 4: There are also– there's a lot of great like misdirects of like, oh, we're going to find out that the ghost was just this thing. And then you find out that it. 00:25:02 Speaker 3: Wasn't that way. Oh. 00:25:03 Speaker 4: Like mold. 00:25:04 Speaker 3: Oh, and I've heard that like if you go back, they're like things you don't see through the first thing, spooky things. 00:25:11 Speaker 4: One of my favorite Jezebel articles is here are all the ghosts you missed in Haunting of Hill House. And it's like a slideshow of 40 pictures. And that to me, that Jezebel article is one of the scariest movies I've ever seen. Oh. Just looking at a blurry background actor who's wearing like CVS face paint kind of behind a plant. I don't feel safe. 00:25:32 Speaker 3: Have you seen the trailer for his new adaptation of Carrie? 00:25:36 Speaker 4: No. 00:25:37 Speaker 3: Looks tough. 00:25:38 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:25:39 Speaker 3: I don't want to see that world with cell phones. 00:25:42 Speaker 4: I don't like plucky female characters written by men. 00:25:47 Speaker 3: That's where you and I are different. 00:25:50 Speaker 4: Because they're like, what's her want? And I'm like, have you ever met a teenage girl? None of them want anything. None of them want anything. And I don't want to hear your guess. I'd rather hear somebody else's guess. We're all making it up. 00:26:09 Speaker 3: This seems like it's going to be a nightmare for you then. Unless he didn't write it, I don't know. But I think he does it all. 00:26:14 Speaker 4: I don't mind him. I like that his wife is so pretty. Oh, who's his wife? It's part of it. Kate Siegel. She plays the one with the touch, with the glove. Oh, you didn't see Haunting of Hill House. 00:26:24 Speaker 1: Oh, no. 00:26:25 Speaker 4: She's in all the stuff. 00:26:26 Speaker 3: Her name's Katie. 00:26:28 Speaker 4: Kate Siegel. 00:26:28 Speaker 3: Because then there's Katie. 00:26:29 Speaker 4: There's not Katie Segal. 00:26:30 Speaker 3: No, Katie Segal. 00:26:32 Speaker 4: No. 00:26:32 Speaker 3: Right, who I love. 00:26:33 Speaker 4: None of the people that I've been trashing this episode are famous enough to deserve it. 00:26:39 Speaker 3: Katie Segal is also married to the guy who did, who created the motorcycle show. Oh, my God. We've got to move on. 00:26:46 Speaker 4: Sons of Anarchy. 00:26:47 Speaker 1: Yes. 00:26:48 Speaker 4: And she has a show. She had a pilot out. Did it get picked up? 00:26:51 Speaker 3: I have no idea. 00:26:52 Speaker 4: Notalia Leone. 00:26:54 Speaker 1: Oh. 00:26:55 Speaker 4: Was it like a– Someone else. 00:26:58 Speaker 3: We wish Katie the best. 00:27:00 Speaker 4: We wish Katie the best. 00:27:02 Speaker 3: Peg Bundy. 00:27:03 Speaker 4: Peg. 00:27:04 Speaker 3: You went to Utah. 00:27:06 Speaker 4: Yes. 00:27:07 Speaker 3: You went to JCPenney. 00:27:09 Speaker 4: I went to JCPenney. I went with my husband and my in-laws and– To the basement of a JCPenney at a hot 6 p.m. on a Monday. We got there at 5.58 and sprinted. 00:27:21 Speaker 3: It closed at 6? 00:27:23 Speaker 4: No, it closed at 7, but our appointment was at 6. 00:27:25 Speaker 3: Oh, the photo studio closed at 7. 00:27:28 Speaker 4: Photo studio closed at 7. Okay. We were in the basement of the mall near the hair area. 00:27:32 Speaker 3: Yes, did you smell the conditioner? 00:27:36 Speaker 4: No, because no one's getting their hair washed in the basement of a Macy's at this point. All the people who would do that died during COVID. They're not doing it. They're putting on filters and calling it a day. No one's getting a condition at the South Town Center shopping center. 00:27:54 Speaker 3: Some dank basement. 00:27:56 Speaker 4: I almost bought stuff. I was like, what am I doing? Like me and my sister-in-law looking at like the bobble hair things that are like look like phone cords. 00:28:06 Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know what this is. 00:28:06 Speaker 4: I was like, that's a good price. Like none of the prices had been updated since before COVID. 00:28:11 Speaker 3: I got a lot of back to school outfits in that basement of that mall, of that JCPenney. 00:28:17 Speaker 4: What is the emotional color of that JCPenney as you're thinking about it now? 00:28:21 Speaker 3: I would say kind of a like sandblasted blue. 00:28:25 Speaker 4: Couldn't be more accurate. I will share with you the photos that were taken because the woman who met us there was the most professional, organized person. Clear-visioned person I've ever encountered. 00:28:42 Speaker 3: I think Penny's is doing a great job of hiring because I went to the one at the Americana and got some pictures taken by Giancarlo. He was wonderful. 00:28:50 Speaker 4: Was he great? 00:28:51 Speaker 3: Couldn't have been better. 00:28:52 Speaker 4: I'm thrilled to hear this because we did opt to have a membership as opposed to paying. 00:28:58 Speaker 3: There's a membership? 00:28:59 Speaker 2: Yes. 00:29:00 Speaker 3: And all you can eat? If we paid. 00:29:03 Speaker 4: If we paid for the photos, it would have been like $ 14, 000 because there were 10 of us. But she was like, if you get a membership, it's like 50 bucks. We were like, what? And she was like, I don't know. And so we did it and now we like can get free photo or like it's free. I don't know. 00:29:22 Speaker 3: This is actually a great idea because digital photos don't cost them anything. No. If you paid– I would pay 50 bucks a month to go to Penny's– once a month to get my photo taken. 00:29:34 Speaker 4: It's just good to know. 00:29:34 Speaker 3: I'm looking into this. It's great. Penny's reach out. 00:29:38 Speaker 4: Penny's. We're ready. It'd be so alarming to hear JCPenney as a podcast sponsor. Like, whoa, do I not understand? 00:29:44 Speaker 3: Where'd this money come from? 00:29:46 Speaker 4: I don't know anything. Who's gay at JCPenney? 00:29:54 Speaker 3: Well, I think we need to talk about something else. You brought a gift. This is your third time on the podcast. Just refuse to stop. 00:30:01 Speaker 4: Yep. 00:30:02 Speaker 3: Should we open it here? 00:30:03 Speaker 4: I think so. 00:30:04 Speaker 2: Okay. 00:30:08 Speaker 3: Let's see here. 00:30:09 Speaker 4: There's one item in there that's a little. 00:30:13 Speaker 3: Should I take them both out at the same time? 00:30:15 Speaker 4: No. 00:30:16 Speaker 3: There's one that's an object and one that's more of a paper. 00:30:19 Speaker 4: Take the paper first. 00:30:25 Speaker 3: It's a bumper sticker that says, I met Elvis at Haley and Henry's wedding. 00:30:29 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:30:30 Speaker 4: Show the people. 00:30:30 Speaker 3: Thank you. You should produce the show. 00:30:34 Speaker 4: I should. I'm going to get into TV. Look at that. My friends had the most beautiful wedding and they flew in an Elvis impersonator who, shock of the lifetime alert, Has good politics. Whoa. Wrote a song about how Bernie Sanders is awesome. 00:30:52 Speaker 2: Wow. 00:30:53 Speaker 4: You're flying in an Elvis impersonator from Vegas for your wedding and you find a political song on his profile and aren't horrified? 00:31:00 Speaker 3: That's crazy. He was amazing. Do we know his name? 00:31:03 Speaker 4: I don't. 00:31:04 Speaker 2: Okay. 00:31:04 Speaker 4: No, I don't want to get sued. 00:31:06 Speaker 3: Jim worked with an Elvis impersonator on tour in Les Mis. 00:31:10 Speaker 2: Oh. 00:31:10 Speaker 3: It's very high. The competition is very, I mean, like it's high stakes for Elvis impersonators. 00:31:16 Speaker 4: I don't. I don't want to be there. 00:31:19 Speaker 3: Very. I imagine people train their entire lives to become an Elvis impersonator. 00:31:24 Speaker 4: It's really hard, too, because with the impersonating game, they age out of it at a certain point. 00:31:31 Speaker 3: Oh, interesting, because you can't live past the dying on the toilet. We don't know what Elvis looked like after that. 00:31:37 Speaker 4: That would be a really great Elvis to get for your wedding. We got Hunk of Burn in Love, but I want to see the Elvis who's just fumbling around for pills in a bath mat. That, it was amazing. It was the most entertaining thing. The bride's grandmother, who had had surgery two months before, got up and danced with Elvis. 00:31:56 Speaker 2: Oh, my God. 00:31:56 Speaker 4: And looked so happy. 00:31:57 Speaker 3: Did he have a band? Or did he just play guitar? 00:32:00 Speaker 4: No, they were piping in. Oh, okay. They had the karaoke track. 00:32:02 Speaker 3: Oh, this makes sense. This makes sense. 00:32:04 Speaker 4: It was great. It was really good. 00:32:06 Speaker 3: How many songs did he do? 00:32:07 Speaker 4: A good amount. It didn't feel too long. Okay. It did not feel too short. 00:32:10 Speaker 3: And it was a thing where you didn't have to... Be a captive audience. You could dance. 00:32:15 Speaker 4: We could dance. I will say that it was at the L.A. River Center. 00:32:19 Speaker 3: Okay. 00:32:19 Speaker 4: Which is an old Lowry's seasoning factory. 00:32:23 Speaker 3: Oh, I like to hear that. 00:32:23 Speaker 4: That is now a beautiful courtyard. It's a good wedding venue. Okay. But it was very spacious. So it felt like there weren't a ton of people watching him. So it felt like Elvis was giving it all for like a couple of folks, even though it was like 150 people. 00:32:46 Speaker 3: That's probably a lot of his experience. 00:32:49 Speaker 4: He was not a fan. I mean, he saw that there was a woman who previously couldn't walk, who then leapt to her feet and was dancing. And he was like, I'm fine. I'm fine. I don't. 00:32:59 Speaker 3: He's healed this woman. 00:33:01 Speaker 4: He's great. I took a picture of them. 00:33:03 Speaker 3: Did you talk to him at all? 00:33:04 Speaker 4: No. 00:33:05 Speaker 3: I wondered, like, does he stay in character when he's talking to people? 00:33:09 Speaker 4: I think he bridges the gap. Because my friends– we took a picture with him and it was like a– or it was like– he didn't– I don't think he said thank you very much, which feels crazy. 00:33:19 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a missed opportunity. 00:33:20 Speaker 4: But he was bridging– he was still– he wasn't breaking character. But when– at the end of the picture when he was like, thanks for coming, you could tell he was looking at us with his eyes. 00:33:30 Speaker 3: You could see a human in there. 00:33:31 Speaker 4: You could see the human in there past the goofy mouth. You could see the eyes. And– But he wasn't breaking the facade. 00:33:39 Speaker 3: The Elvis oath. 00:33:40 Speaker 4: I really appreciate it. 00:33:40 Speaker 3: Did it look like he had had surgery to become Elvis or was he just naturally born? 00:33:44 Speaker 4: I mean, so much of the work is done by the hair and the white jumpsuit and the glasses. 00:33:51 Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, if you got the glasses on. 00:33:53 Speaker 4: The key is to be an impersonator of someone whose face is completely obscured. 00:33:57 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:33:57 Speaker 4: Because then you can really ride that. 00:34:00 Speaker 3: Jason Voorhees. 00:34:04 Speaker 4: You know, you remembered his last name. That's a big deal. 00:34:08 Speaker 3: Why am I able to remember his name and I can't remember Christian Bale? 00:34:10 Speaker 4: But you did. 00:34:11 Speaker 1: Oh. 00:34:12 Speaker 4: You remembered it just now from before. 00:34:13 Speaker 3: I've committed it to memory. Maybe I'll remember him forever. 00:34:16 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:34:17 Speaker 3: I don't know. 00:34:18 Speaker 4: I am incapable of giving a gift without putting a little thing in it. 00:34:21 Speaker 3: I know because the first time you were on, you gave me a button that says I need attention and it's been on my bag. Up until just recently because it fell off in a restaurant and I panicked. 00:34:31 Speaker 4: Oh, I'm sorry. 00:34:31 Speaker 3: No, I've got it back. But I'm not putting it back on the bag because I'm worried about it coming loose again. 00:34:36 Speaker 4: Yeah, when you said you put it on the bag, I was picturing the loose, rusty knife of the back of a pen. 00:34:43 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just not sturdy. I guess I could hot glue it or something. That feels phony. 00:34:50 Speaker 4: Someone write in. 00:34:51 Speaker 3: Somebody must know how to secure a button to a bag. Well, this is– so Elvis just shows up mid-wedding and starts singing. 00:34:59 Speaker 4: Not mid-wedding. At the end of the night. 00:35:01 Speaker 3: Oh, at the end of the night. Perfect. 00:35:05 Speaker 4: Perfect. 00:35:06 Speaker 3: Had there already been dancing? 00:35:08 Speaker 4: Yes. 00:35:09 Speaker 1: Oh, wow. 00:35:09 Speaker 3: So he's really performing to a tired group. 00:35:12 Speaker 4: I couldn't have given you a falser impression. It really was when there was just enough them left in the people. Yeah. Where it was kind of like then instead of people getting drunker, Elvis came in. Where Elvis was the idea of a fourth drink. 00:35:32 Speaker 3: Oh, interesting. 00:35:33 Speaker 4: That's a good comparison. So he was the naughty treat. 00:35:35 Speaker 1: Right. 00:35:37 Speaker 3: Are you an Elvis listener? 00:35:39 Speaker 4: I've heard. 00:35:39 Speaker 3: Would you like get on Spotify or whatever and be like, time for Elvis? 00:35:43 Speaker 4: God, we did it once on a road trip. Jason worked on... So there was an animated show called Agent King. Okay. That was on– oh, no. They changed it to Agent Elvis at the last minute. Produced by Priscilla Presley. 00:35:59 Speaker 2: Oh, good. 00:36:00 Speaker 4: She voices herself as a 12-year-old. 00:36:02 Speaker 3: What? 00:36:03 Speaker 4: It came out under the cover of Night. No one has seen it. The character design is awesome. There's cool– like the voice actors are– I want to look at this thing. The guy who voices SpongeBob voiced Elvis' monkey. This is like a real thing. 00:36:17 Speaker 2: Yes. 00:36:17 Speaker 1: Yes. 00:36:19 Speaker 4: Tom Kenny voices the chimp. Johnny Knoxville had a really big part. 00:36:24 Speaker 3: Okay. 00:36:25 Speaker 4: And Elvis is voiced by Matthew McConaughey. 00:36:28 Speaker 3: What was this even on? 00:36:31 Speaker 4: My nightmares. No, it was. 00:36:33 Speaker 3: It looks like it was Niecy Nash. 00:36:35 Speaker 4: Yeah, the cast is great. It looks great. That was my 2022 was hearing my dear husband not break a sweat while instructing a famous person how to set up a Zoom recording. That's scary. 00:36:47 Speaker 3: That's terrifying. 00:36:49 Speaker 4: That's a lot. 00:36:50 Speaker 3: I once had a meeting on, which I thought was going to be Zoom, ended up being Google Meets. And then the more powerful people on the other side had to walk me through how to use Google Meets for 20 minutes. And then I had a, later that day, had a full nervous breakdown. 00:37:07 Speaker 4: I'm so sorry. It's always the little things. 00:37:14 Speaker 3: I feel like I'm all over the place with Elvis and weddings, etc. 00:37:17 Speaker 4: We're good. There will be plenty in this. 00:37:19 Speaker 3: Let's get into it. 00:37:19 Speaker 4: I think. 00:37:20 Speaker 2: I have a feeling. 00:37:20 Speaker 3: Oh, my God. There is so much going on here. 00:37:25 Speaker 4: There's a lot going on here. 00:37:26 Speaker 3: First of all, it's brand new. This is from– because it has the sticker on it still. So I know where it's from. And a lot of the things here are used because it's from Deseret Industries. And, listener, if you're not aware, Deseret Industries is a thrift store owned by the Mormon Church mostly through Utah, probably locations in Wyoming and Idaho, and– One in L.A., which I found out too late. In Pasadena? 00:37:53 Speaker 4: Downtown. 00:37:55 Speaker 3: It feels like a glitch in the system or something. It's like, why is there a D.I. in downtown Los Angeles? 00:38:02 Speaker 4: Beautiful. 00:38:02 Speaker 3: And it feels like the D.I. 00:38:04 Speaker 4: Really? 00:38:04 Speaker 3: Yes. 00:38:05 Speaker 4: They fly in the clothes every day. 00:38:10 Speaker 3: The first time I got a whiff of it was there was a DI, like, storage unit on the Warner Brothers lot. And I was like, what has happened? Like, what's an Inception-style dream nightmare? That's back rooms. 00:38:22 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:38:24 Speaker 3: But, okay, so that's what we're looking at here is a notebook that's branded for– doTERRA which do you want. 00:38:32 Speaker 4: To explain or you want me to I can try okay I'd like to hear what you it's it's the state song of Utah to explain what doTERRA is so you know it better than I do but it is a um multi-level marketing company that sells is it essential oils or smells. 00:38:49 Speaker 3: Wow I thought it was uh one of the drinks I. 00:38:52 Speaker 4: Think it smells it's probably smells doTERRA yeah fragrance earth earth Yeah, I think it's like fragrance diffusers. 00:39:01 Speaker 1: Yes. 00:39:02 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:39:02 Speaker 3: Actually, now that you say that, I feel like I've had one of those in a place I've lived in at some point, like somebody left on the curb. 00:39:10 Speaker 4: There's no chance that you haven't. It sounds like based on the living situations you've had in the past. Somebody was putting in a plug-in pink hunk of rock. 00:39:22 Speaker 3: Oh, did these– What do these look like? Do you know? 00:39:25 Speaker 4: I don't. I am at the end of my knowledge about doTERRA. 00:39:29 Speaker 3: I feel like the essential oils thing that just came into my life was shaped like a Hershey kiss. 00:39:34 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:39:35 Speaker 3: Does that make sense? 00:39:36 Speaker 4: Yeah, and it has like a scary little smoke. 00:39:38 Speaker 3: Coming out of the top. Yeah, like a genie lamp or something. 00:39:40 Speaker 4: It looks like in a movie when someone gets poisoned by gas. 00:39:43 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. 00:39:44 Speaker 4: Like, oh, no, I'm going to fall asleep. But the other thing to know about this notebook is that it was on an end cap. So like at the end of an aisle where it has the little shelves there. Oh, of course, yes. Where every single shelf was full of those. And so what I'm assuming is it's for people who get recruited by doTERRA to sell doTERRA. And this is the notebook they use when they're learning. Because what does it say? 00:40:11 Speaker 3: It says pursue what's pure. 00:40:14 Speaker 4: Pursue what's pure. 00:40:15 Speaker 3: Okay. Established 2008. 00:40:16 Speaker 4: You can open it. So look at the paper. The paper is a little bit glossy. I've gotten a little bit into journaling. From what I understand, it's not great for journaling because the paper is a little glossy. 00:40:26 Speaker 3: Smudgy. 00:40:26 Speaker 4: The ink is going to move around. Yeah. It's not going to bleed. 00:40:30 Speaker 3: It'll just be in the. disaster for your ancestors to look at. 00:40:33 Speaker 4: It's a notebook made for not writing in a notebook. I think the color is beautiful though. 00:40:40 Speaker 3: See, I have no problem with this texture of paper. Really? 00:40:43 Speaker 4: Can I feel it again? Because I bought myself one. 00:40:46 Speaker 3: Yeah, that isn't... I was expecting like poster level slick and that feels. 00:40:50 Speaker 4: That's not bad at all. 00:40:52 Speaker 3: If you've got just a standard pen, I think I could... I think it's good. 00:40:55 Speaker 4: I like a gel. Yeah, if you're writing. 00:40:58 Speaker 3: With a You know, a Bic. 00:41:00 Speaker 4: A Bic, yeah. 00:41:01 Speaker 3: Throw a Bic on there. 00:41:02 Speaker 4: And it's dotted, or it's dotted lines. 00:41:05 Speaker 3: Yeah, probably for the. 00:41:06 Speaker 4: It's not bullet journal, but it makes you think that it is. 00:41:08 Speaker 3: That's what I'm wondering. No, it is doTERRA. It's not dot-terra. 00:41:12 Speaker 4: Whoa, because of the dots. 00:41:15 Speaker 3: I like that non-standard line. Oh, okay, and now did you see the little message it has? 00:41:20 Speaker 4: No. 00:41:21 Speaker 3: On the inside cover it says, shine... I guess shine is something. Shine celebrates the power of small actions to sparkle incredible growth and lasting change. You have the power to spread healing and hope, lighting the way for others to follow. Shine boldly as you embrace your light within and inspire those around you to do the same. So is shine like a sister brand or like another product? 00:41:48 Speaker 4: No, I think shine, it must be like the... keystone of their employee training and like company culture about like it. 00:41:59 Speaker 3: Feels like you've been contacted by doTERRA no. 00:42:03 Speaker 4: I've worked in in hotels oh sure and it is the like I worked for a company that had desks in hotels so I floated between Sheridan's and Hilton's and like so I got to see the like posters that they have in the break room that are like Here at Sheraton, we believe honor, loyalty, family, trust. And they all have a different thing. And Shine, yeah, Shine is a catchier version. 00:42:36 Speaker 3: Of it, I guess. It makes me feel like there's nothing worse at a job than when your manager comes back from a conference or a company thing and they have some new thing. 00:42:47 Speaker 4: Like, everyone come with me. We're going on a field trip. And it's always, like, to the basement. 00:42:51 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:42:52 Speaker 3: Oh, God. Whenever I hear somebody say welcome in, I'm just like flashing back to like patient zero probably in 2014. Some manager coming back from a conference. It's like we're now saying this. Psychologists have proven that saying welcome in is more comforting for customers or whatever. 00:43:07 Speaker 4: I never noticed welcome in. 00:43:09 Speaker 3: Oh, there was a big shift. At some point, a book is going to be written about how it suddenly was just what people said. 00:43:15 Speaker 4: Retail greetings. Yeah. Go to grad school for retail greetings. 00:43:19 Speaker 3: Oh, there we go. 00:43:20 Speaker 4: The history of retail. Yeah. Go to grad school. 00:43:22 Speaker 3: Because I think it used to just be welcome or hi. How can I help you? 00:43:28 Speaker 4: Hi there. I think I would say hi there. 00:43:31 Speaker 3: Yeah. I worked at the Apple store, and I think it was just approaching people and saying, how's it going? And then disappointing them with my absolute lack of knowledge. 00:43:42 Speaker 4: How's it going? It's terrible. I'm at the Apple store. Can you help me? 00:43:45 Speaker 1: No. 00:43:46 Speaker 3: I own an iPod and nothing else. 00:43:48 Speaker 4: I'm wearing a T-shirt. 00:43:50 Speaker 3: I still have some of those T-shirts. 00:43:52 Speaker 4: Are they soft? 00:43:53 Speaker 3: They are soft. They're from the American apparel era of company T-shirts. 00:43:59 Speaker 4: A nice feel. 00:44:00 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:44:00 Speaker 4: But nipples are always visible on a man. I don't like that. 00:44:04 Speaker 3: I don't mind it. 00:44:05 Speaker 4: I don't want to know that men have those, unfortunately. I want a thick shirt on a boy. It's okay if there's body there. 00:44:13 Speaker 3: I just don't want to— You don't want to see it. 00:44:15 Speaker 4: Call me old-fashioned. I don't like a thin shirt on a man. 00:44:20 Speaker 3: I think it's great. 00:44:21 Speaker 4: I don't want to know that a man is wearing a rayon blend. 00:44:24 Speaker 3: Oh, a rayon blend. No, no, no, no, no. 00:44:27 Speaker 4: You know when the shirt has like a little shiny, like tender, tiny spider fabric in the weave and you can just see the shiny? 00:44:35 Speaker 3: Like golf fabric or something. 00:44:37 Speaker 4: Golf fabric, yes. 00:44:39 Speaker 3: If I pick up a shirt like that's made out of a sports material, I'm dropping it immediately. 00:44:44 Speaker 4: Get out of here. 00:44:44 Speaker 3: Just give me cotton. 00:44:46 Speaker 4: Just give me cotton. Did you know that caring about things having cotton or not is millennial cringe? 00:44:53 Speaker 3: Oh, interesting. Like millennials just want 100 percent cotton. 00:44:57 Speaker 4: When they do an impression of us, they're like, what's the fabric? 00:45:02 Speaker 3: That's interesting to me because I feel like millennials were very– were the ones who opened the door to having 1 percent spandex in the denim. 00:45:10 Speaker 4: Millennial means a lot of things. 00:45:11 Speaker 3: There's a lot going on. It's too early for millennials to be under attack. I feel like Gen X should still be a target. We're still fighting. 00:45:22 Speaker 4: Yeah. We're still out there. 00:45:23 Speaker 3: I think because it felt like getting around to attacking boomers took a long time. 00:45:30 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:45:30 Speaker 3: They were like in their 60s before they were under attack. 00:45:35 Speaker 4: Why? Because we wore our hearts on our sleeves? 00:45:37 Speaker 3: Well, maybe that's– we exposed ourselves. We were too intimate too quickly. 00:45:43 Speaker 4: That's fair. That's weird. Yeah. Yeah. 00:45:46 Speaker 3: And now we're being chased by just bloodthirsty 20-year-olds. 00:45:51 Speaker 4: Do you think MLMs are having a trouble with Gen Z that they don't know how to make conversation the way that previous generations do? 00:46:01 Speaker 3: Oh, interesting. And they don't have friends. Oh, so they're not able to spread it out to each other. I wonder. That's interesting because I feel like MLM probably now works better online. I think it's easier to sell a phony product when the customer's not interacting with it until it's in their home. 00:46:21 Speaker 4: I did forget about that, that LuLaRoe, a lot of that was online. 00:46:24 Speaker 3: Classic example. They had the stinky pants. 00:46:27 Speaker 4: I'm so behind. Have you ever gone on TikTok and like look at the thing your friends send you and scroll one and it's a live of like Two really desperate looking people in a house with like purple lights and they're holding up dolls. They're like this one. And there's like an auction going on. You don't understand what's going on. But every single time you open TikTok and you scroll past the thing your friend sent you, it's another subculture you didn't know about. 00:46:58 Speaker 3: I feel like they were doing these sales with like pearls or. 00:47:04 Speaker 4: Yes. 00:47:04 Speaker 2: Right. 00:47:06 Speaker 4: Yeah, they're like girls who dress up like mermaids who are like, I'm opening this clam. 00:47:10 Speaker 3: And you maybe bid on it before it got opened? Is that what happened? What could possibly be going on in the world? 00:47:17 Speaker 4: This is the worst memento. What was the thing I watched with their girls who were mermaids? 00:47:24 Speaker 3: The last thing I saw live on TikTok was none other than Leanne, Taylor Frankie Paul's mom, on live talking to probably a total of four people. It was a tough scene. 00:47:36 Speaker 4: I don't like seeing older people hustle for an audience. 00:47:45 Speaker 3: It's not fair. 00:47:45 Speaker 4: I want them to be immune. 00:47:47 Speaker 3: Yeah. A friend was just talking about how he was home with his family and saw his– this sort of thing truly does break my heart– saw his mom was probably 75 looking at the likes on her post, like who had liked her post. 00:48:04 Speaker 4: It's worse than seeing like a kid looking at an iPad for hours. 00:48:11 Speaker 3: Way worse. It's so sad. Because it's like you shouldn't have ever had to deal with this. 00:48:16 Speaker 4: It does feel like the chimp documentary where you're watching the chimp smoke a cigarette and watch a YouTube video of other chimps. When I see my parents just addicted to their phones, I'm like, oh, God. 00:48:26 Speaker 3: Oh. 00:48:26 Speaker 4: What have we done? 00:48:27 Speaker 3: Devastating. I mean, I just don't know why it's so particularly horrifying. 00:48:34 Speaker 4: They have no immunity. 00:48:35 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:48:36 Speaker 4: It hit them so surprised. 00:48:37 Speaker 3: Yeah. In a way, like, and in its worst form, it's like, I feel like we at least got like MySpace when it was kind of a fun. 00:48:45 Speaker 4: Yeah, where the idea was like, these are people. 00:48:49 Speaker 3: Right. And they got just this curdled evil thing that's just like, just like being sort of pure toxic waste rather than like being. Having it slowly introduced to your diet. 00:49:01 Speaker 4: There's no safe level of lead for children. There's no safe level of Facebook reels for boomers. 00:49:08 Speaker 3: Who do you think is buying meta glasses? 00:49:10 Speaker 4: That is a great question. 00:49:12 Speaker 3: Who in the world? 00:49:14 Speaker 4: I think it's people who go to the Americana or who drive really fast. 00:49:22 Speaker 3: Maybe the second. I'm at the Americana all the time. 00:49:26 Speaker 4: You know what it is? There are ads for the Metaglasses at the Americana. When you leave the AMC, you look out and just see a big. 00:49:34 Speaker 3: Right. 00:49:34 Speaker 4: And you're like, is this going to work for them? 00:49:38 Speaker 3: It doesn't. I just don't like can't imagine any human being being like now I'm going to give the company money for any product. 00:49:45 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:49:46 Speaker 3: Let alone like a thing that's going to make you socially stand out in the weirdest way. 00:49:52 Speaker 4: I think like maybe they can get influencers to start using it because I have seen similar to body cam. I've seen like a Scientology free run that's like from Metaglasses. 00:50:05 Speaker 3: Right. 00:50:06 Speaker 4: But like. So I was like, is it going to catch on? Like, it's easier for them, but it's more of like a tool. It would be like buying Photoshop. That it's not, you're never going to be in your own video. Right. 00:50:20 Speaker 3: It's very like gift bag. It's very like, well, I got it, you know, for free or whatever. 00:50:25 Speaker 4: I straight up am remembering right now that I did get it for free. 00:50:29 Speaker 3: Oh, but you have the glasses? 00:50:31 Speaker 4: No, but this was in like 20, this was pre-COVID. It was like an... SNL, sometimes you'll show up and there'll just be an Alexa on your desk and you're like, who's that from? And they're like, EDME. You're like, I don't know if I'm going to use that. And you're just scared of it. But sometimes it's wine and you give it to your neighbors. But I've never enjoyed any– a single free. 00:50:57 Speaker 3: Item like that? 00:50:57 Speaker 4: Corporate item. No. 00:50:58 Speaker 2: No. 00:50:59 Speaker 3: I met a glass most of all. 00:51:01 Speaker 4: And it was like corny. It was corn ass. It was not cool. 00:51:04 Speaker 3: No, of course it's not cool. 00:51:05 Speaker 4: And there was like a big circle. It looked like what you buy at a magic store. It was an earlier iteration. I feel like they might still be in my house somewhere unless I put it on the curb. 00:51:16 Speaker 3: It's– also, it makes me wonder what was Google Glass because that really seemed like everyone hated it. 00:51:23 Speaker 4: Everyone was being so funny about it. 00:51:26 Speaker 3: That like never even made it out the door. 00:51:28 Speaker 4: It was the orange and the sort of space. They were trying to look space. 00:51:34 Speaker 3: Okay. But it was like the same concept, right? It was just like having your phone on your face? 00:51:40 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the meta glasses, the appeal is that you can– it seems focused on like the video capabilities. 00:51:49 Speaker 2: Oh. 00:51:50 Speaker 4: And that you can– like less about using it as an interface and more about like I'm making content. 00:51:56 Speaker 3: Actively collecting video data. 00:51:59 Speaker 4: What I don't understand is that there is, like, a pretty large subsection of people who see stuff like that and don't then think, why don't we all just kill ourselves? Like, that's most people. When I walk out of the AMZ and I see that, I think there are some people who look at that and don't think, let's all kill ourselves. 00:52:22 Speaker 3: So many people feel that way. Most people. 00:52:24 Speaker 1: Yes. 00:52:25 Speaker 4: I'd say I'm in the minority. Absolutely. I don't think most people think that, which is so interesting. 00:52:31 Speaker 3: It's alarming. 00:52:33 Speaker 4: What do they think? Oh, that's great. AI makes it easier for me to do my job. Play out the tape by three months. No? It's so cool. I can let my computer do my work while I go and dance. It's like, why do you think they paid for ad time? I'm not saying they're stupid. I'm just saying I'm purely observing that a lot of people don't find that crazy. 00:53:06 Speaker 3: Yeah. I won't say who, but people within my life, younger people, I will look at their Instagram and the caption is clearly written by AI. And I just think, so you just, like, I just can't get to a place of like, I, my brain can't think of what to say about the thing. 00:53:24 Speaker 2: So I. 00:53:26 Speaker 3: Have Instagram say it for me? Like, or, I don't know. 00:53:30 Speaker 4: This is the first time I'm hearing that that's a thing. 00:53:33 Speaker 3: It's very weird. 00:53:34 Speaker 4: First of all, I think it's very young of you to know when something's AI. 00:53:37 Speaker 3: I'm very young. 00:53:38 Speaker 4: I have no ability to know. 00:53:40 Speaker 3: Wait, do you not, can you not tell? 00:53:41 Speaker 4: I can do like the basic stuff. 00:53:43 Speaker 3: Okay. I have like, I don't know, there's just something about it that I can just, Jim sent me a very cute video of a Rottweiler and a baby the other day and I immediately, there was just enough of the AI sheen. I was like, no, this is, This is not real. 00:53:58 Speaker 4: That is one of the things that I can tell when the lighting is beautiful and golden and mid-century. I'm like, no. 00:54:04 Speaker 3: But this was more insidious. This was closing in on this looks like home video. And again, it's like, so what psycho is creating this? What lunatic is like, now I'm going to make the video of the baby and the dog getting along. What satisfaction is there? You're like catfishing. 00:54:25 Speaker 2: What? 00:54:27 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we should. 00:54:29 Speaker 4: I do actually find it freeing because it's so all-encompassing that I'm like, oh, I'll just do what I was going to do anyway. 00:54:36 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no escape. 00:54:39 Speaker 4: I'm canvassing, you know. I'm signing up for the canvas. 00:54:43 Speaker 3: Did you get anything else at the DEI while you were there? 00:54:45 Speaker 4: I did. I got an espresso cup. For the John Huntsman Memorial Dinner. 00:54:50 Speaker 3: Oh, I think you sent a photo of this. 00:54:52 Speaker 4: Yes, which is funny now. I didn't realize until now that it's espresso. 00:54:55 Speaker 3: Yeah, that doesn't. 00:54:57 Speaker 4: It's a tiny cup. 00:54:58 Speaker 3: Where are the Huntsman's morals? 00:55:00 Speaker 4: I don't know. 00:55:01 Speaker 3: They're drinking coffee. 00:55:03 Speaker 4: Maybe it's tiny hot cocos. 00:55:04 Speaker 3: Maybe tiny. 00:55:05 Speaker 4: A hot cocoa flight. 00:55:06 Speaker 3: Splash of cocoa. 00:55:07 Speaker 4: A splash. 00:55:08 Speaker 3: The Huntsman's kind of own Utah. 00:55:11 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:55:12 Speaker 3: That name's all over Utah. I don't know where the money came from. Chemicals? 00:55:16 Speaker 4: The ground. 00:55:17 Speaker 3: The ground, probably. 00:55:18 Speaker 4: They dug up the ground near my in-laws and now they all have asthma. Now the humans are drinking tiny cocoa. 00:55:25 Speaker 3: I try to get a mug almost any time I go there. I've gotten some good mugs there. 00:55:29 Speaker 4: I sent you a picture of a mug that I didn't get. 00:55:32 Speaker 3: Which one was this? 00:55:32 Speaker 4: It said Beth all over it in like crime scene font. I can't believe I didn't get Beth, Beth, Beth, Beth. 00:55:41 Speaker 3: I'm so mad you didn't. 00:55:43 Speaker 4: The thing is I have so many mugs in my Wayfair mug container thing that it will crash and kill a dog for sure. 00:55:51 Speaker 3: That's a point of contention in our home. 00:55:54 Speaker 4: Too many mugs? 00:55:55 Speaker 3: Yeah. I've been asked to stop buying mugs, but what else am I going to put in my house? 00:56:00 Speaker 4: Do you know what I saw? I don't know if this does anything for you, but I saw on Pinterest something that maybe is AI that was the little free libraries for books that people build. 00:56:09 Speaker 2: Yes. 00:56:10 Speaker 4: Someone made a mug library in front of their house with hooks, and it's sizable. 00:56:15 Speaker 1: Right. 00:56:15 Speaker 4: And it's take a mug, leave a mug. 00:56:18 Speaker 3: I mean, everything you're just saying, I'm now recognizing little free libraries and mugs have absolutely got to be millennial cringe. 00:56:26 Speaker 4: It's fine. Whatever. 00:56:26 Speaker 3: They're going to absolutely destroy us for liking a good mug. 00:56:29 Speaker 4: I think anything I say will be bad anyway. I already thought that. 00:56:35 Speaker 3: Before I got born. 00:56:36 Speaker 4: Before I got born, I was like, this is about to– I'm ready. It's not surprising to me that everything I say is horrible. It's not crazy. I started there. 00:56:51 Speaker 3: But I like the idea. 00:56:52 Speaker 4: Me too. 00:56:53 Speaker 3: Trade out the mugs. 00:56:54 Speaker 4: Trade them out. It's fun. 00:56:56 Speaker 3: I've got a few classics I'll never let go of. 00:56:58 Speaker 4: Can you think of any of them? 00:57:00 Speaker 3: I have one, a truly beautiful mug that says Wyoming with a beautiful little picture of a bird, probably native to Wyoming. 00:57:06 Speaker 4: Gorgeous. 00:57:07 Speaker 2: I have one. 00:57:07 Speaker 3: This is Marilyn and then it describes what someone named Marilyn would be like, kind of a nice little, you know, sentences about Marilyn. 00:57:14 Speaker 4: Is it sassy or is it nice? 00:57:16 Speaker 3: It's more nice. It's more– I would say the feeling is lavender. 00:57:21 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:57:23 Speaker 3: I have a mug from Karl Malone's car dealership. 00:57:28 Speaker 4: Yes. 00:57:28 Speaker 3: Karl Malone body and paint I think is what it says on the side. 00:57:31 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:57:33 Speaker 3: I think those are some good ones. I have one from New York, New York in Vegas that says Richard on it. Some good ones. Do you have any good ones? 00:57:41 Speaker 4: We've got so many good ones. 00:57:44 Speaker 3: It's weird how many good mugs there are. 00:57:45 Speaker 4: Crazy how many good ones. I have one from the Lizzie Borden Museum. 00:57:48 Speaker 3: Oh, wow. 00:57:49 Speaker 4: Which is her house. 00:57:50 Speaker 3: And did you go to the museum? 00:57:51 Speaker 4: I did. I went to a bachelorette party there. 00:57:53 Speaker 2: Oh, that's great. 00:57:53 Speaker 4: We stayed overnight. We did a ghost tour and then they gave us the keys. 00:57:56 Speaker 3: They let you stay in the house? Yes. 00:57:58 Speaker 4: In the morning they gave us a breakfast of tiny historical pancakes. And it was great. Everyone got really, really drunk. And we did ghost hunting with two people who were at the nearby Naval Academy who were keeping their relationship secret. And this was their date. And then two girls wearing shirts that said Team Lizzie didn't do it. 00:58:17 Speaker 3: Did she? No, she did it. Yes. Of course she did it. 00:58:20 Speaker 4: Yes. But the thing is, the other mug, they had another mug there that I didn't get because it was so upsetting. That was a heat, you know, like the heat changing mugs where you pour in hot cocoa or whatever and it. Makes it turn into a picture. One of the pictures, it would go from like a portrait of her father to the crime scene photo of his face cut in half where it just looks like worms. Where you're like, is that what heads are? And we're like, you're going to drink out of that? That's crazy. 00:58:52 Speaker 3: Having breakfast. 00:58:53 Speaker 4: Having breakfast. 00:58:54 Speaker 3: While eating yogurt. 00:58:55 Speaker 4: With your secret husband. So I got the Lizzie Borden mug where she's just kind of looking a little scary. 00:59:02 Speaker 2: Okay. 00:59:02 Speaker 4: And it's one of my husband's favorite mugs. 00:59:04 Speaker 3: That sounds tasteful. 00:59:05 Speaker 4: Really cute. 00:59:05 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll keep buying them. I don't care. 00:59:07 Speaker 4: I'm not going to stop. 00:59:10 Speaker 3: I truly have nothing else I need. 00:59:12 Speaker 1: No. 00:59:12 Speaker 3: I've got it all. 00:59:13 Speaker 4: I've got it all. 00:59:14 Speaker 3: Well, I'm so glad. I've slowed down on my journaling and I need to pick it back up and this feels like it's going to be the next journal I use. I'm excited. This will be confusing for people in the future to look at. 00:59:26 Speaker 4: I find that Spiral notebooks are great for people who have a tough time journaling because you always get the feeling of a new page. 00:59:33 Speaker 3: Oh, true. And a lot of my journals are the ones where you have to kind of hold it. I'm like writing on the bed, pushing down on it. It's a mess. So this feels like. 00:59:44 Speaker 4: There's that. They do make binder. They do make journal clips. 00:59:49 Speaker 2: Journal. 00:59:49 Speaker 3: Oh. 00:59:50 Speaker 4: With a little clips that hold it open. 00:59:52 Speaker 2: Oh. 00:59:54 Speaker 4: But don't do that. Do this. 00:59:59 Speaker 3: Let's play a game. Okay. Do you have anything to recommend or promote? 01:00:02 Speaker 4: No. 01:00:04 Speaker 3: You're online. 01:00:05 Speaker 2: I'm online. 01:00:05 Speaker 3: You're on Instagram. 01:00:07 Speaker 4: And all of my captions are made by humans. Okay. 01:00:13 Speaker 3: Let's play. We're going to play invite list. I'm going to start naming a list of celebrities. You tell me invited or not invited. And once we get to 10, that's your party. Does that make perfect sense? 01:00:26 Speaker 2: Yeah. 01:00:28 Speaker 4: 10's a lot. 01:00:29 Speaker 3: 10's a lot. But once we get into it, you're going to say 10's not enough. 01:00:32 Speaker 4: Where is the party? 01:00:33 Speaker 3: It's wherever you want it to be. What kind of party do you want to have? 01:00:36 Speaker 4: None. A kind of party that I like. I don't have to know what it is, but. 01:00:43 Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't have to know. 01:00:44 Speaker 4: I can just. 01:00:45 Speaker 3: Just imagine. 01:00:45 Speaker 4: For the exercise. Okay, great. 01:00:47 Speaker 3: All right. And you can say why or why not you want to invite these people too. 01:00:50 Speaker 1: Okay. 01:00:50 Speaker 3: It's up to you. Dan Aykroyd. 01:00:52 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's invited. 01:00:54 Speaker 1: Okay. 01:00:56 Speaker 3: Stephanie Meyer. Author of Twilight. 01:00:59 Speaker 4: She is invited. I have eaten with her in the Netflix series animation cafeteria. 01:01:04 Speaker 3: Wow. 01:01:05 Speaker 4: There's a Twilight animated series. 01:01:08 Speaker 3: That's incredible. 01:01:09 Speaker 4: And I watched her be like, where are the croutons? And all of us were like, we don't care. Wow. 01:01:16 Speaker 3: Renee Rapp. 01:01:20 Speaker 4: She's invited. 01:01:21 Speaker 3: You sound scared. 01:01:23 Speaker 4: Whenever there's like people who know how to dress like that, I feel sad because I'm like, I'm so far away from knowing what that is. 01:01:34 Speaker 3: Oh, this is a good Mormon one, Brandon Flowers. Yeah. Okay. 01:01:38 Speaker 4: He can be there. 01:01:40 Speaker 3: Cat Williams. 01:01:44 Speaker 4: He's invited, but he'll not come. 01:01:50 Speaker 3: Based on your current list of people. 01:01:51 Speaker 4: I just think he gets invited to stuff and then doesn't come. 01:01:55 Speaker 3: I think that's a 50-50, I would think. 01:01:58 Speaker 2: Okay. 01:01:58 Speaker 4: He's coming to Burbank? 01:01:59 Speaker 3: He's coming to Burbank. 01:02:01 Speaker 4: He's going to drink seltzer on my couch and pet my cat and be like, oh, he headbutts a lot. 01:02:08 Speaker 3: Caitlyn Jenner. 01:02:13 Speaker 4: Yeah, she can come. 01:02:14 Speaker 3: Stacey Dash. 01:02:18 Speaker 4: I feel baited. I feel baited. I barely know who she is. 01:02:24 Speaker 2: I know. 01:02:25 Speaker 3: She's from Clueless and has had kind of a tough turn, I think, politically. 01:02:29 Speaker 4: I feel like people who are the biggest nightmares are the easiest to talk to at parties. 01:02:34 Speaker 3: Oh, interesting. 01:02:34 Speaker 4: It's been my experience that they feel secure in how much they blow, that they're not trying to prove anything in the moment. So she can come. 01:02:44 Speaker 3: Brooks Marks. 01:02:45 Speaker 4: What is that? 01:02:46 Speaker 3: Oh, he's one of that. 01:02:47 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:02:51 Speaker 3: He is the son of Meredith Marks, the real husband of Salt Lake City. He has a line of track suits. 01:02:57 Speaker 4: How old is he? 01:02:58 Speaker 3: I guess he's about 25 at this point. 01:03:02 Speaker 4: He is not invited. 01:03:03 Speaker 3: Taraji P. Henson. 01:03:05 Speaker 4: Invited. 01:03:05 Speaker 3: Terry Gross. 01:03:06 Speaker 4: Can I get rid of everyone else? No, I want to protect her. Who did I invite? Terry Gross? 01:03:15 Speaker 1: Yes. 01:03:16 Speaker 4: Keep the conversation going. And that's nine. 01:03:18 Speaker 3: Oh, that's nine. You've got one left. 01:03:20 Speaker 4: Okay. 01:03:21 Speaker 3: Marlon Wayans. 01:03:24 Speaker 4: Yeah, he can come. I don't want to not invite anyone. I have to say, though, that I famously in sixth grade staged a protest of my friend's birthday. I told her that I wasn't going to come unless she invited the least cool girl. 01:03:43 Speaker 1: Oh. 01:03:44 Speaker 4: And she talked to her mom who talked to my mom who talked to me and said, like, that's not how stuff works. 01:03:51 Speaker 2: Oh. 01:03:51 Speaker 4: Don't do that. That's not very nice to your friend. 01:03:55 Speaker 3: How was the decision not let's invite this poor girl? 01:03:58 Speaker 4: It was like a five-person party and we were in like seventh grade. We're past. It wasn't like we're singling out someone. I was just finding a way to feel bad that someone wasn't included. 01:04:09 Speaker 3: I'm on your side and this loser's side as well. 01:04:16 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:04:17 Speaker 3: And what did she do that night? 01:04:18 Speaker 4: I don't know. 01:04:20 Speaker 3: Where is she now? Well, that's very difficult of you. 01:04:26 Speaker 4: Yeah. 01:04:27 Speaker 3: Let's play Gift or a Curse, at least a couple of these. I'm going to name things. You'll tell me if they're a gift or a curse and why. 01:04:33 Speaker 4: Okay. 01:04:34 Speaker 3: I'll tell you if you're right or wrong. Okay. This is from a listener named Libby. Gift or a curse when a performer refers to audience volunteers as victims? 01:04:44 Speaker 4: A curse. 01:04:44 Speaker 2: Why? 01:04:45 Speaker 4: Because I don't like it when people ask for a giggle. 01:04:50 Speaker 2: Okay. 01:04:51 Speaker 3: I think that's fair. 01:04:53 Speaker 4: Don't make me perform for you. You're up there. I'm down here. 01:04:58 Speaker 3: Correct curse. 01:04:58 Speaker 4: You wouldn't say next victim if you didn't demand to be met with a. 01:05:07 Speaker 4: No. 01:05:09 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a real curse. There's nothing... No one's enjoying it. The performer's not enjoying it because it's not their idea. 01:05:18 Speaker 4: You're right. 01:05:20 Speaker 3: The audience member is just bothered. 01:05:22 Speaker 4: They're like barely– they're worried about getting called on. 01:05:24 Speaker 3: They're barely clocking out what you're saying. They can barely hear anything. If I'm on that stage, I've already blacked out. 01:05:31 Speaker 4: Anytime the house lights come up, my heart sinks. 01:05:33 Speaker 1: Oh. 01:05:34 Speaker 4: Woof. 01:05:35 Speaker 3: If I– I just feel like the infrared victim of Predator or something. Just stop. 01:05:43 Speaker 4: I'm just a heat map at this point. 01:05:44 Speaker 1: Yes. 01:05:46 Speaker 4: OK. 01:05:46 Speaker 3: This is from a listener named Ivy. Gift or a curse? People wishing a heavenly birthday to an acquaintance on Facebook who passed years ago. 01:05:55 Speaker 4: I think this is a curse. Why? I think it is the dictionary definition of a curse in that the emotional color of it is inherently negative and it touches the beyond. 01:06:13 Speaker 3: Correct. And I have a little history. I think I've talked about this on this podcast. Up until maybe two years ago, I was under the impression– and this is my fault. But I thought that happy heavenly birthday meant– I thought that heavenly birthday was the day you died. My logic was that was the day you began living in heaven. 01:06:34 Speaker 4: You got born in heaven. 01:06:35 Speaker 3: And so to find out that it's just happy birthday but you're dead. 01:06:42 Speaker 4: You are just– you're just letting other people know that your mom didn't become alive. 01:06:47 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:06:49 Speaker 4: Again. 01:06:49 Speaker 2: Yes. 01:06:50 Speaker 3: And until Facebook existed, well, you weren't doing anything like this. Why did that switch get flipped? Suddenly people wanted to do this. 01:07:00 Speaker 4: No, that's a curse. You're so right. 01:07:03 Speaker 3: Okay. And this final one is from a listener named Margaret. Gift or a curse? The phrase spooky season. 01:07:12 Speaker 4: The culture where this comes from is very like, Not my culture. However, this is a gift. 01:07:19 Speaker 3: Why? 01:07:20 Speaker 4: I just like this time of year. I think it's great. 01:07:24 Speaker 3: Correct. Really? Yeah. I don't think we need a new term that we have to incorporate into our holidays every year. It feels like somebody is cooking up terms. It's probably the people who have thought of welcome in. 01:07:38 Speaker 4: It's the people at TJ Maxx who are like, we made pillows for holidays. 01:07:43 Speaker 3: Yes. 01:07:43 Speaker 4: So you thought your couch was immune from decorations? Better get some more bins. 01:07:49 Speaker 3: And now there's a label for it. 01:07:51 Speaker 4: Spooky season. 01:07:52 Speaker 3: I think that, yeah, I can't just be, I can't be too angry at it. I'm glad people are having a nice time with fun decorations. 01:08:01 Speaker 4: It's fun to feel nice. 01:08:02 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:08:03 Speaker 4: Isn't it? 01:08:05 Speaker 3: Okay. Let's answer one quick listener question. Let's see. Oh, this is a nice one from Allison. If you had to be a wild animal in New York, would you rather be a pigeon or a rat and why? Also open to other options. 01:08:19 Speaker 4: Wow. I feel very certain of my answer. 01:08:24 Speaker 3: What is it? 01:08:25 Speaker 4: A pigeon. 01:08:26 Speaker 1: Why? 01:08:27 Speaker 4: You can go all around and be so crazy. A rat looks like work. 01:08:33 Speaker 3: It's a lot of scrambling. 01:08:35 Speaker 4: You have to have a plan. 01:08:37 Speaker 1: Right. 01:08:38 Speaker 4: Pigeons can just kind of fucking figure it out. 01:08:41 Speaker 3: But see, I immediately went to rat despite hating rats because I'm thinking now I'm getting the inside scoop. 01:08:47 Speaker 4: You want to be in there. 01:08:49 Speaker 3: You're seeing everything in there. You're going wherever you want in there, under, up. 01:08:55 Speaker 4: Would you rather be a subway rat or a garbage rat? 01:08:59 Speaker 3: Subway rat. 01:09:00 Speaker 4: Why? 01:09:00 Speaker 3: I think it's more romantic. 01:09:02 Speaker 4: Yeah. It's very Italian. 01:09:04 Speaker 3: Yeah. There's just something a little bit classier about it, I would say. And the sights are probably more interesting. 01:09:12 Speaker 4: Yeah. 01:09:13 Speaker 3: I love being in a tunnel. 01:09:16 Speaker 4: Something's going to happen. 01:09:18 Speaker 3: Do pigeons make nests? Yes. I don't think I've ever... Are they on. 01:09:23 Speaker 4: Under bridges, which is why you'll see the, like, wire things under bridges. 01:09:29 Speaker 3: Oh, the, like, kind of spikes on benches, but for pigeons. Yes. 01:09:34 Speaker 1: Right. 01:09:34 Speaker 4: Yes, it is. They are cliff-dwelling guys, and they go there. I think they also go in trees. 01:09:43 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I'm rat all the way. 01:09:46 Speaker 4: This is great. I hope the listeners sent that in. Feel satisfied. 01:09:50 Speaker 3: That's a good question, actually. Those are two very different viewpoints of New York. Yeah. 01:09:56 Speaker 4: You like to have a plan. 01:09:57 Speaker 3: I like to have a plan. I like to get in there. 01:10:00 Speaker 4: And I like to have the option to just not do a single thing. Just mount someone near me and scream. 01:10:15 Speaker 3: Well, we answered the question perfectly. I have my new doTERRA. I wonder if we have any doTERRA, what is it, a representative when you buy all of the product that you keep in your garage? 01:10:26 Speaker 4: Alums. Upstream, downstream? 01:10:31 Speaker 3: Yeah, upstream, downstream. 01:10:32 Speaker 4: DoTERRA. 01:10:33 Speaker 3: It's making me think, did you read that book, what is it, Education? What was that thing? 01:10:39 Speaker 4: No. 01:10:39 Speaker 3: About the Mormon family in Idaho? 01:10:44 Speaker 4: If the book isn't White Fang, I haven't read it. 01:10:51 Speaker 3: Well, that family had some connection to essential oils. I don't know. The amount of media that I brought up, you have no. 01:10:58 Speaker 2: No. 01:10:58 Speaker 4: Let me tell you about a Jezebel article. 01:11:03 Speaker 3: All of the things I've mentioned, you'd be head over heels for. That's all I'm saying. 01:11:08 Speaker 4: I will now do Sherry Papini. 01:11:09 Speaker 3: You've got to get Sherry Papini. There are probably four different versions of the documentary at this point. So take your pick. One has her sister in a turban. 01:11:18 Speaker 4: Is it addressed? 01:11:20 Speaker 3: No, nobody ever asks about the turban. 01:11:24 Speaker 4: Turban was best case scenario. 01:11:25 Speaker 3: Yeah, she knew she was going to be on camera and this was her moment. 01:11:29 Speaker 4: Great. 01:11:30 Speaker 3: She's not on Sherry's side. 01:11:32 Speaker 4: I am. 01:11:34 Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad that we could be here despite not eating shepherd's pie. We've got all of spooky season ahead of us to kind of whip one up. 01:11:44 Speaker 4: Whip it. 01:11:45 Speaker 3: Thank you for being here. 01:11:46 Speaker 4: Thank you for having me. 01:11:48 Speaker 3: Listener. The podcast is over. Mmm. Move on. I love you. Goodbye. I Said No Gifts is an exactly right production. Our senior producer is Ellis Nelson, and our episodes are beautifully mixed by Ben Tolliday. The theme song is by miracle worker Amy Mann, and we couldn't do it without our booker Patrick Kottner. You must follow the show on Instagram at I Said No Gifts. That's where you're going to see pictures of all these wonderful gifts I'm getting. And don't you want to see the gifts? 01:12:26 Speaker 2: When I invited you here I thought I made myself perfectly clear When you're a guest in my home You gotta come to me empty-handed I said no gifts, your presence is presence enough And I already had too much stuff So how do you dare disobey me? 01:12:57 Speaker 1: Guitar solo