1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's Bill Courtney with an army of normal folks. 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: And we continue now with part two of our conversation 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: with doctor Scott Morris. Right after these brief messages from 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: our general sponsors. 5 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 2: Sears has built ten of these buildings around the country. 6 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 2: They all have the same architect they all pretty much 7 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 2: look alike. Two had been torn down, but at this 8 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 2: point six had been repurposed already. So Seattle, Minneapolis, Boston, Dallas, Atlanta. 9 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 2: The building in Atlanta is the world's largest brick building. 10 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 2: The one in Seattle is the home office of Starbucks. 11 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 2: It's a million square feet of coffee. 12 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: Wow. 13 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 2: But then the one in Minneapolis was the most like 14 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 2: what we were talking about doing. So how, in my opinion, 15 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 2: how we crossed the rubicon to get the building renovated 16 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 2: is I got three of my wealthy friends to give 17 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 2: me their planes for a day, and I took the 18 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 2: mayor of Memphis, the CEO of Saint jude a Methodist hospital. 19 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 2: You know about however many three planes can carry, and 20 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 2: we went to Minneapolis to see the building that had 21 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 2: been repurposed there. 22 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: Which is very similar to this one. 23 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 2: It looks very much like it. And then the way 24 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 2: they were using it was similar to what we had 25 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 2: had come to envision could happen here. And after seeing that, 26 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 2: everybody came back going we could do this. There was 27 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 2: only one thing we needed. We didn't have money. Three 28 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 2: hundred million dollars Is that all? 29 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: That was? 30 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 2: All? That was all? 31 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: You know. 32 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 2: It took three and a half years, but over time 33 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 2: we found the money. Currently, fifty two entities have signed 34 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 2: long term leases to be in the building. There are 35 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 2: two hundred and sixty five apartments. Every last one is rented. 36 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 2: Church Health is the anchor tenant. We have one hundred 37 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 2: and fifty thousand square fees. 38 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 1: That's what I wanted to say. And so when it opened, 39 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: church Health was the anchor tenant. So you moved from 40 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: one old house and twelve patients to eight houses and 41 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: thirty thousand patients to now you can scale and you 42 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: have how many square. 43 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 2: One hundred and fifty thousand square fe which. 44 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: Is world class. I've been in them. Listen, don't think 45 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: because this is a church health center serving the working 46 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: poor and the working uninsured, that don't think the clinic 47 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: that you want to you see on TV somewhere. This 48 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: place is nice and the people pay their forty bucks. 49 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: There's a huge doctor's office, but there you also have 50 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: physical therapy, right, don't you have the largest dentist something? 51 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 2: Right, So we have fifty two medical exam rooms, but 52 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 2: we're fifty two, right. But on the dental side, dentistry 53 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 2: is an economic issue. You can't go from a minimum 54 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 2: wage job to a better job. If your teeth are 55 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 2: all messed up. It's not gonna happen. 56 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: You don't look good in an interview. Right. 57 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 2: So I see this guy who has a dental problem. 58 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 2: He goes to the dentist. He can't afford the dentist, 59 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 2: so he took measures into his own hands, and he 60 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 2: superglued his teeth together. 61 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? 62 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 2: What he didn't understand is that super glue will italy 63 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 2: all the enamel in your mouth. So by the time 64 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 2: I saw him, his mouth was a total disaster. This 65 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 2: is America. When did it get to be that I'm working, 66 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 2: I'm taking care of my family. You have dental pain, 67 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 2: one of the worst pains you could have, and your 68 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 2: only option is to superglue your mouth. We consider that 69 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 2: to be immoral. You know, that's something we had to 70 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 2: care deeply about and by we, I mean the church 71 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 2: and the faith community. But has anybody listening ever heard 72 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 2: a sermon on dental care? I don't think so speak 73 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 2: so no, But to show you that we have taken 74 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 2: it seriously. What we have built the largest freestanding dental 75 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 2: clinic in America, and it's one hundred percent focused on 76 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 2: the working uninsured. 77 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,359 Speaker 1: Here here, right here in your one hundred and you 78 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 1: also have physical therapy. 79 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 2: Physical therapy. And our newest venture here has to do 80 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 2: with eye care. When we first came to crossdown concourse, 81 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 2: that's what we call our building. Now we built an 82 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 2: eye clinic in partnership with the Southern College of Optometry. 83 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 2: You know the rights right here in Memphis there. You know, 84 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 2: there are one hundred and sixty four allopathic medical schools 85 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 2: in America. There are only eleven optometry schools, and one 86 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:00,039 Speaker 2: of the best is here in Memphis. But so that 87 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 2: clinic focuses on making glasses, doing preventive type work. But unfortunately, 88 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 2: you know, if you're poor and you're having a heart 89 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 2: attack and you go to the emergency room, you will 90 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 2: get a bypass operation. But if you're poor and you're 91 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 2: going blind and you go to that same eer. Nobody 92 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 2: gives a flip. And the reason is you're not going 93 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 2: to die from going blind. But emergency rooms are not 94 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 2: required to have to treat you, you know, if you're 95 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 2: going to die, yes they have to treat you, you know, 96 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 2: from a heart attack. But if you're going blind, they 97 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 2: will give you the name of an optimologist that you 98 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 2: can go make an appointment with that you can't afford. 99 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 2: That a poor person could never afford. So we are 100 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 2: now finishing an eye clinic that will focus in the 101 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 2: four leading causes of blindness, which are diabetic retinopathy, maxter generation, glacoma, 102 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:02,039 Speaker 2: and cataracts. I mean from our perspective. You know, from 103 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 2: a biblical standpoint, what could be more? You know, in 104 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 2: line with what a Christian faith is all about. Then 105 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 2: you take poor people who are blind and you give 106 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 2: them their site back. 107 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: It's phenomenal. Another thing you have going back piggyback into 108 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 1: something you said earlier which I was really surprised us. 109 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 1: You have a massive area that is all these kitchenettes. 110 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 2: Right, so your mother told you you are what you eat. 111 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 2: She was right, But unfortunately in today's world, it is 112 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 2: very difficult to get people to focus on their health 113 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 2: and how it relates to food. But we need to 114 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 2: all realize that food is medicine, and so we are 115 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 2: one of the major proponents of something called culinary medicine, 116 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 2: effectively using food as a way to help people live 117 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 2: a healthier life. So we do three things in our 118 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 2: teaching kitchen. One is we train young doctors how to 119 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 2: talk to patients about food. 120 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: That's amazing to me. 121 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 2: It's amazing if you are a physician, because doctors don't 122 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 2: know squat about nutrition. You know that they have no 123 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 2: idea how to actually talk to patients about food. And 124 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 2: the way we go about do it doing it is 125 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 2: we get them in our kitchen and we turn them 126 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 2: in the turned them into chefs, and they love it 127 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 2: and it becomes a much more engaging way, and it's 128 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 2: far more effective than just giving somebody a diet sheet 129 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 2: and say, you know, go eat this food. 130 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: Once again, everybody, do not envision the back of a 131 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: hot of a restaurant with a bunch of stainless steel 132 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: stuff and no windows. This quote teaching kitchen that we're 133 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: talking about, it is this massive open area with kitchen 134 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: areas set up and all of the things you need 135 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: to cook but it's like eight or four or five, 136 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: I don't know how many kitchens kind of in this 137 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: big open area where people are gathering and it's very 138 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: open and airy, and I can see you having this 139 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: nutritious cooking classes in here. Well. 140 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 2: Another example of what happens in the teaching kitchen is 141 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 2: at Crosstown. We actually have a high school in our building. 142 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: Yeah there's yeah, that's right, but you're the core tenant. 143 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 1: You said fifty two others. I was going to say 144 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:35,719 Speaker 1: one of them is actually a high school as right. 145 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 2: And in the high school, we teach ninth grade biology 146 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 2: in our kitchen through food. 147 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: No kids, kids learn about. 148 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,319 Speaker 2: Biology through food and at the same time they're learning 149 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 2: themselves how to eat healthy foods. 150 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 1: It's just that's unbelievable. 151 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 2: Okay, I bet you wish your high school had done that. 152 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I like chicken fingers every day, which was you 153 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: are what you eat, I'll look like a chicken fingernail. 154 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: Probably because of that experience, you also built a road 155 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: through the building so that people didn't have to walk far. 156 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: What was that? 157 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 2: So when we moved here, I was very anxious about 158 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 2: even though it was very inefficient. When we had thirteen buildings. 159 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 2: It was very convenient for patients that they could park 160 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 2: literally right next to the building and get out and 161 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 2: come in and if you broke your leg, you know, 162 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 2: it wasn't a difficult thing to do in our new building, 163 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 2: and we have a big parking garage, and I was 164 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 2: not sure how that would go over. So in talking 165 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 2: to the architects about that, their answer was, hey, not 166 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 2: a problem. We will build a road to the middle 167 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 2: of the building. And so that's exactly what's happened. There 168 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,199 Speaker 2: is a you know, people don't really realize why this 169 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,559 Speaker 2: road is there, but it's there so our patients can 170 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 2: be dropped off and it's fifteen feet into our waiting room. 171 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 1: It's just phenomenal. And now you've gone to oh holy, let's. 172 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 2: Talk about behavioral health to it. We're going through the 173 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:13,199 Speaker 2: things that matter. So you know, as I've mentioned before, 174 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 2: fifty percent of people come to primary care doctors have 175 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 2: no medical problem. You know, they come to the doctor 176 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 2: for reasons they used to come to priests. So in 177 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 2: the walking clinic not that long ago, I see a 178 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 2: forty two year old woman who's Latino, she's undocumented. She's 179 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 2: cleaning houses in an affluent suburb in Memphis. The owners 180 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 2: of the home are not there, but the other workers 181 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 2: are there and they rape her. Now, she doesn't call 182 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 2: the police because she's. 183 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 1: Right. 184 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 2: Unfortunately, she does talk to the pastor of her church, 185 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 2: who tells her that she needs to keep working in 186 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 2: that home because she needs to quote unquote confront her demons. 187 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:01,079 Speaker 2: That was not good advice. I see her six weeks 188 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 2: later because she has pain in her pelvis. I do 189 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 2: her pelvic examines totally normal, because that's not the problem, right. 190 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 2: The problem is they have totally crushed her heart. And 191 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:17,079 Speaker 2: my giving her a great an extra fifteen minutes of 192 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 2: my great wisdom, that's not going to help anything. Instead, 193 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 2: I was able to call in one of our Spanish 194 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 2: speaking counselors, who is embedded in what we do, who 195 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 2: was able to spend an hour with her in the 196 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 2: exam room. She didn't have to make an appointment go 197 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 2: somewhere else. She could get seen right there while I 198 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,719 Speaker 2: kept moving doing what a doctor's better able to do. 199 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 2: And I'm not going to sit here and tell you 200 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 2: that we have fixed her. We have not fixed her, 201 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 2: but at least she's been seen and follow up in 202 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 2: our Behavioral Health Center, and we're on the right path. 203 00:11:54,200 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. I think you moved to YMCA 204 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: N right next to your What is that all about? 205 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 2: So we used to have our own wellness facility. So 206 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 2: what this is all about is ultimately something we call 207 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 2: the model for healthy living. So being healthy is not 208 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 2: about the absence of disease. The World Health Organization would 209 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 2: agree with that. Who cares if you live two years longer? 210 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 2: If it means two years long in a nursing home. 211 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 2: You know, life for life's sake can't possibly be the point. 212 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 2: But breathing in, breathing out. None of us are signing 213 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,079 Speaker 2: up for that. So what we think being healthy is 214 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 2: about is ultimately three things. Having more joy in your life, 215 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 2: having more love in your life, and being driven closer 216 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 2: to things greater than we are. Now we would call 217 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 2: that God. You don't have to call that God. But 218 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 2: for all of us, there are things greater than we 219 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 2: are we need to be drawn closer to. But if 220 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 2: that's what it takes to be healthy, more joy, more love, 221 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 2: being driven closer to God, it doesn't have a lot 222 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:02,199 Speaker 2: to do with the doctor which led us to create 223 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 2: something we call the Model for healthy living. So we 224 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 2: will argue there are seven things in life that are 225 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 2: equally important that must be in balance if you're going 226 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 2: to be healthy. One of them is medical care, but 227 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 2: only one. Our country is currently spending a trillion dollars 228 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 2: a year on the doctor, hospital and drugs, but it 229 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 2: only has ten percent to do with your health outcomes. 230 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 2: Ten percent. I think we should argue we're not spending 231 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 2: the money very wisely, right, but it is one. The 232 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 2: second is nutrition. You know, we've already talked about that. 233 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 2: The third ist movement our bodies were made to move. 234 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 2: I'll come back to talk about that in a minute. 235 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 2: Next is emotions, family and friends. Work. We define work 236 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 2: as those things that bring meaning to your life, and 237 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 2: lastly your faith life. All seven things are equally important. 238 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 2: No one is more important than the other, but everything 239 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 2: we do is driven by that concept. Now, before we 240 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 2: moved Acrosstown, we used to run our own wellness facility. 241 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 2: We had a gym, we had whatever. When we came 242 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 2: to Crosstown, what we now have is twenty five thousand 243 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 2: square feet of church health space. We've contracted with the 244 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 2: why to manage, so it's church Health Ymcaight. The beauty 245 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 2: of it is is once our patients are members of 246 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 2: Church Health, why they're members of any why, it allows 247 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 2: our physical therapists to bleed over into the why. It's 248 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 2: just a better way of doing this. 249 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: Okay. So if all of this is not enough, you've 250 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: also come up with a quote health insurance plan. This one, 251 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: folks will floor you. Go for it, Scott. 252 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 2: Well, So we began in nineteen eighty seven. We grew 253 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 2: fairly quickly and turned of a need for seeing patients, 254 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 2: and so I hired a partner. She was fantastic. We 255 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 2: grew to practice. Then she had something that I can't stand. 256 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 2: A husband. 257 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: They get in the way, don't they. 258 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 2: Well, her husband took her to Virginia, God go it, 259 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 2: and literally overnight I was having to see sixty patients 260 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 2: a day, which is not tenable. So one day in 261 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 2: the shower, I have a vision, and my vision was 262 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 2: that I would go to the Memphis Medical Society get 263 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 2: them to volunteer as physicians to see our patients in 264 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 2: their own office. They wouldn't come to Church Health. The 265 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 2: patients would go to their office, the doctor would donate 266 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 2: whatever they did, and then every laboratory, every diagnostic center 267 00:15:55,800 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 2: would also donate their services. We would have subspecials willing 268 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 2: to care for patients, and then the hospitals would donate 269 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 2: their secure And then the way a person would get 270 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 2: enrolled in the program is through their employer. The cost 271 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 2: would be fifty dollars. The employer would pay ten dollars 272 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 2: a month. You couldn't put the whole thing on your employee, 273 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 2: but then it would come. The payment would come through 274 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 2: payroll deduction. So in nineteen ninety I was ready to 275 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 2: roll this thing out. Everything was looking good, and then 276 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 2: I get a call from the Apartment of Insurance in 277 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 2: Nashville who told me that they had heard about it. 278 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 2: It was a really good idea. There was only one problem. 279 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 2: It was illegal. It sounded like health insurance and we 280 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 2: didn't meet the rules to be an insurance company. So, 281 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 2: in my opinion, if something is illegal but it's still 282 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 2: the right thing, there is only one rational thing to do, 283 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 2: which is do it. 284 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: The law changed the law. 285 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 2: So we ended up passing what's known as the Memphis 286 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 2: Plan Act of nineteen ninety one. 287 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: You've literally changed the state law. 288 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 2: Yes, and we've amended it three times. 289 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: But so you lobbied, yes, right, you lobbied state senators 290 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: and legislature. 291 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 2: It was a horrible experience. 292 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: I bet it was. And so it's called what. 293 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 2: The Memphis Plan Act of nineteen ninety one. 294 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: It's a law. 295 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 2: It's a law. And all this law says is anything 296 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 2: that looks like what I just described to you in 297 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 2: the state of Tennessee is not health insurance. That's all 298 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 2: the law says. But it means that we are no 299 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 2: longer subject to the regulation of the Department of Insurance. 300 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 2: So we've been able to do this since nineteen ninety one. 301 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 2: So what does what does it actually mean? What it 302 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 2: means is we've managed to create managed care for the uninsured, 303 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 2: which most people would tell you it's not possible. And 304 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 2: then where does the money go. We don't pay anybody 305 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 2: a dime. The moment I pay any doctor, any hospital 306 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 2: a penny, the whole thing falls apart from soup to nuts. 307 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 2: Everything is donated. But there's not a problem somebody could 308 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 2: have from the cradles to the grave. You need a 309 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 2: bypass operation, it will cost you five dollars and that's it, 310 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 2: no deductible, no co payment. That's better health insurance than 311 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 2: any one of us have. Only it is actually not 312 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 2: health insurance, but it will provide the best quality of 313 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 2: care you can imagine, and it cost and then so 314 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 2: the money all goes to support the overall work of 315 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 2: Church Health. 316 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: And it's fifty bucks a month. 317 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 2: Fifty bucks a month. 318 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: So when we're sitting here talking about health insurance, not 319 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: health insurance, and how you have your your more laborious 320 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: positions in your company that make twelve fifty or thirteen 321 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: or fourteen dollars an hour and then having to decide 322 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:04,879 Speaker 1: between clothing their kids and feeding them or having one 323 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:08,880 Speaker 1: hundred and eighty dollars a week pulled out of their 324 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 1: check for family health coverage through Blue Costs with Shield 325 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,719 Speaker 1: that they can't afford, they can sign up for this 326 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: plan and as long as employer pays ten bucks, right, 327 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: that's right, and AKA forty. 328 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 2: We're not looking to enroll a company that has one 329 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 2: hundred employees. If you have one hundred employees, you should 330 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 2: provide health insurance. But if you have a housekeeper, you've 331 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 2: got somebody cutting your grass. You're a mom and pop 332 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 2: business that has two employees. With restaurants, we're not looking 333 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 2: to enroll waiters and waitresses. We're looking to enroll the 334 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 2: people who wash the dishes or who clean up. 335 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: Like you said at the beginning, the people who make 336 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: our food and cut our crass, make the beds at 337 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: the hotels. 338 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 2: And I talk about I always say, and who will 339 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:57,679 Speaker 2: one day dig your grave? All of the cemeteries in 340 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,040 Speaker 2: Memphis have people on the Memphis Plan. 341 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: No kidding. Yeah, and it's called the Memphis Plan. 342 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:06,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, it stands for the minimum wage employees of Memphis 343 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 2: Plan for Health Services. I'm the only one who I 344 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 2: think knows that. 345 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 1: And it's all because of the Church Health sy Yes, 346 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: which is now Churchill Yeah. 347 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 2: Right, we just dropped the word center moved across down. 348 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 1: So why couldn't this be scaled in every city in 349 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: the world. 350 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 2: Well, actually, so, the need is absolutely there. I know 351 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 2: y'all are tired of me talking about Descartes, but the 352 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 2: reason is because people just can't get their heads around it. 353 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 2: But we have a There are ninety clinics around the 354 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:46,479 Speaker 2: country that are modeled after what we do. I have 355 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,360 Speaker 2: a book that came out just over a year ago 356 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 2: called Care How People of Faith Can Respond to our 357 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 2: Broken Health System that talks about a number of these clinics. 358 00:20:56,160 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 2: But there are actually fourteen hundred free and charitable clinics 359 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 2: around the country, many of which use us as a 360 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 2: model or any of the size. No they're not, it's 361 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 2: our size. But the point is is that this is 362 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 2: needed everywhere, and if you look around in your community, 363 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 2: there is something similar there that just nobody knows about. 364 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 2: It's not talked about, and the government it's the most 365 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 2: frustrating thing I've ever been around. I have a book 366 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 2: a friend named Jim Wallace who started something called Sojourners, 367 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 2: who's written a lot, and you don't have to read 368 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 2: his book to understand the point. He wrote a book 369 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 2: called God's Politics, How the right doesn't get it and 370 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 2: the left doesn't care, and I can That's been my experience. 371 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 2: I just can't. You know, Washington's the meanest place I've 372 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 2: ever been. If I never go there again, I'll be 373 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 2: perfectly happy. 374 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: Scott, when you wake up and look in the mirror 375 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,640 Speaker 1: and you realize that you came to Memphis not knowing 376 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:04,439 Speaker 1: any and you got your first funding for a faith 377 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: based health center from a Jewish foundation that is now 378 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: the anchor for a revitalization product of an entire area 379 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 1: of Memphis, and the anchor with one hundred and fifty 380 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 1: thousand square foot space Soup to nuts and health serving 381 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:29,919 Speaker 1: eighty thousand people. I mean, do you pinch yourself a little? 382 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 1: I know you're a humble guy, but my goodness. 383 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 2: Guy, you know I love what I do. It feeds 384 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 2: my soul and it's just the moving forward. What I 385 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 2: feel like I have an obligation right now is to 386 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 2: use the platform that we've created to move on to 387 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 2: doing good right now. The thing I'm obsessed about is, 388 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 2: you know, Memphis is a black city. You know what, 389 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 2: Memphis has almost none of black doctors. So what I 390 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 2: am convinced of is that there are young after American 391 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 2: kids who have the capacity to be doctors. But why 392 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 2: does it not happen? You know, it doesn't happen for 393 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 2: what I refer to as leakage. They've never seen anybody 394 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 2: that looks like them. 395 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: I was going to say, a lot of it is access, 396 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: and access looks like you know people who are doctors. 397 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, So we are now on a path to be 398 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:33,120 Speaker 2: able to identify kids like that get them to college. 399 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 2: We run a gap year program finish college, want to 400 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 2: go to medical school? Work for us for a year, 401 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 2: get to medical school and then bring that kid back 402 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 2: to want to care for the neighborhood they grew up 403 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 2: in that. There are many, many moving parts to that, 404 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 2: but I'm convinced that we're going to be successful at 405 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 2: doing this. And this is all a response to where 406 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 2: I think church Health has the ability to do more 407 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 2: than just provide healthcare for people. You know, these issues 408 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 2: are transformative, and I believe that the church you know, 409 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 2: has fallen into a terrible path right now that the 410 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:18,159 Speaker 2: pandemic has made many many churches just obsessed over paying 411 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 2: their light built without realizing we've actually been given an 412 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 2: enormous opportunity to be what God's called us to be. 413 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 2: I believe that the work of Church Health really is 414 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 2: the Church at work, and how we engage people here 415 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 2: at Crosstown is an example of that. I mean, we 416 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 2: think of Crosstown as a vertical urban village built around health, 417 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 2: education and the arts, and I see this as how 418 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 2: the church should be moving forward. You know, it can't 419 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 2: just be trying to put butts in the pews on 420 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 2: Sunday morning. That doesn't change people's lives. 421 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: It's just for the We'll be right back. So in 422 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: the middle of running this thing, which I imagine you 423 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: spend an enormous amount of time with your filling traffic 424 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: hot on trying to raise money. You still practice every day. 425 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a real doctor. I see patients every morning, 426 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 2: and I mostly see people through our walking clinic where 427 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,679 Speaker 2: they're sick today and don't have health insurance. And I 428 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 2: love the variety of it. That's for the beauty of 429 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 2: intellectual challenge is I literally don't know what's behind the 430 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 2: next door. You know, it could be a cold or 431 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,679 Speaker 2: a sore throat, but it could also be a broken 432 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 2: bone or somebody dying from cancer. And then the intellectual 433 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 2: challenge to figure out what are we going to do now? 434 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 2: You know, So that me in many ways. But then 435 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,959 Speaker 2: it's also the opportunity to get to know people, and 436 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 2: you know, it's heartbreaking to see how people struggle. And 437 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 2: even though we've been here for thirty seven years, people 438 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 2: oftentimes have been out there for quite a while until 439 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 2: they find us. You know, somebody breaks their leg. The 440 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 2: emergency room has an obligation to tell you that your 441 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,440 Speaker 2: leg is broken and put you in a splint. They 442 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 2: do not have an obligation to do anything more than that. 443 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 2: So almost every day we see people who I see 444 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 2: people who they broke their leg not today or yesterday, 445 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 2: but two weeks ago, and then they didn't know about us, 446 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,239 Speaker 2: and they find their way to us. And so if 447 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 2: I can't set their bone myself, then we have the 448 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 2: ability to have the best orthopedic surgeons in Memphis take 449 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 2: care of them. But the same thing won't be true 450 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 2: if that person now has cancer or some other terrible problem. 451 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,679 Speaker 1: I guess it helps you not only keep your finger 452 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 1: on the nuts and bolts of what's going on a 453 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,399 Speaker 1: daily basis by just being engaged on a daily basis 454 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 1: as a doc, but also got to believe that the 455 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: stories that you see daily also help continue to fuel 456 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 1: that fire to make this thing work. 457 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 2: I mean, look, we have to raise twenty seven million 458 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 2: dollars a year, year after year after year, So being 459 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 2: able to tell patients about somebody I saw this morning, 460 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 2: it both makes the ask fresh, but it also is 461 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 2: what drives me to keep doing it because I know 462 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,679 Speaker 2: if I can't raise that money, then they're not going 463 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 2: to get cared for. So I'm not quitting. 464 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, So everybody that hears that twenty seven million dollars 465 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 1: a year, if anybody's got a check book laying around. 466 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: I'm sure Scott would love to hear from you. We 467 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: have a national audience, and I can't imagine somebody's out 468 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 1: there with a medical background thinking, Holy moly, I want 469 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,640 Speaker 1: to know something about this. How do they found out more? 470 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: Where do they go? What are the resources? And if 471 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: somebody wants to reach you through email or website or 472 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: something to ask questions of you, how does that work? 473 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 2: The easiest is just our website, which is church health 474 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,159 Speaker 2: dot org. And then yeah, there's plenty of ways to 475 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,880 Speaker 2: contact me. My email is moress last name, first initial, 476 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 2: two artists, two s's at church health dot org. It's easy. 477 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 2: I'll get back to you or come to Memphis. I mean, 478 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 2: like again, we have a replication seminar. We just had 479 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 2: one last week where people come from all over the country. 480 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 2: We did this a couple of times a year. If 481 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 2: you really were seriously interested, it's a three day experience. 482 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 2: You get all of my best people trying to help, 483 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 2: you know, telling you the things that I wish somebody 484 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 2: had told me back in nineteen eighty seven. For example, 485 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 2: if you order a blood pressure cuff out of a catalog, 486 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 2: do you know what you'll get. No, you'll get a 487 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 2: blood pressure cuff makes do you know what you won't 488 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 2: get what you won't get the bladder you need to 489 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 2: blow it up, you won't get that. So my point 490 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 2: is that these little, simple practical things are what we 491 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 2: try to talk to people about. And then we talk 492 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 2: seriously about the fact that we're a true faith based 493 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 2: organization and we're not a federally qualified health center and 494 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 2: why that's why we do that. I mean, you know, 495 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 2: the government has a role, no question about it. But 496 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 2: I get very frustrated when people think it is only 497 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 2: the government that should be caring for the poor. That 498 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 2: is not right. 499 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,479 Speaker 1: If it's the only government caring for anything, we have 500 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: a problem. 501 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 2: That's true. But you know, this is again the challenge 502 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 2: that people don't see that in my community, I can 503 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 2: make a difference, and issues around healthcare get very big, 504 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 2: very fast, and then people just put it at arm's 505 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 2: length and say I can't make a difference. Well, you 506 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 2: actually can make a difference, you know, especially when you 507 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 2: drop back and look at what I was defining as 508 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 2: what healthcare is. You know, it's not just about giving 509 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 2: people pills, you know, as far as the pills are concerned. 510 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 2: You've got to realize all pills are poisons. That is 511 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 2: how they work. They poison your body to prevent it 512 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 2: from doing something it is naturally trying to do. Now, 513 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 2: mind you, I am a statin prescribing doctor, but you know, 514 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 2: thank god, the pills don't actually work very well. If 515 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 2: they did everything they tell you they do on TV, 516 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 2: we'd be killing people right and left, which we actually 517 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 2: already do. So, I mean, nobody can give somebody ten 518 00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 2: pills and know all that the interactions are going to be. 519 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 2: You know, so you've got to be pretty dog on 520 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 2: smart to override the body the way God created it. 521 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 2: So we have to find ways to engage people around 522 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 2: health beyond just thinking that chemistry will solve the problem. 523 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 2: It won't. 524 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: What a phenomenal story. When you look down at that 525 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 1: guy's pamphlet in Yale, did you ever think did you 526 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 1: ever really fathom or dream that it would lead to 527 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: the renaissance of a building in one hundred and fifty 528 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 1: thousand square foot clinic? Did you ever think it could 529 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: be that Scott? 530 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 2: I didn't think it would. I wasn't thinking about a building. 531 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 2: But again, I take the gospel seriously, But why I 532 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 2: think what we do can work in every community is 533 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 2: because I think what the New Testament causes us to 534 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 2: do is what God wants of us. And if we're 535 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 2: not doing it, then you're not going to be able 536 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 2: to be connected to that thing that touches our heart 537 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 2: the most, you know. And just from a strictly Christian perspective, 538 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 2: I mean, you don't grow the church through more bad 539 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 2: Christian rock music. That's not what grows the church. 540 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 1: That's hilarious. 541 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 2: What grows the church is by doing those things that 542 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 2: God calls us to do. I mean, like, how did 543 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 2: the church go from at the end of the New 544 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 2: Testament there's only a handful of Christians, right, Yeah, And 545 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 2: then by the beginning of the fourth century, Constantine sees 546 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 2: the writing on the wall because there are millions of 547 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 2: Christians in Rome. How did that happen? Now, most preachers 548 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 2: will tell you it had to be because of good preaching. 549 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,959 Speaker 2: Good preaching had nothing to do with it. In the 550 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 2: second and third century, there were plagues all over the 551 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 2: Roman world. When people got sick, it was only the 552 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 2: Christians who were willing to take care of them. And 553 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 2: when people got better, they asked the question who is 554 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 2: your God, that I might worship him. That's what grew 555 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 2: the church, and I think in our own plague in 556 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 2: today's world, when you think about it, there's a lot 557 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 2: of parallel here. You know, How is it that we 558 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 2: are not realizing that there's so much powerful things that 559 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 2: can happen in our own lives if we were to 560 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 2: follow down the same path, you know, caring for our bodies, 561 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 2: engaging the spirit, you know, not being so connected to technology. 562 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 2: This is how we can in our own lives find 563 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 2: those things that make our life meaningful. 564 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: Man, if you guys are not sitting here listening to 565 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 1: this and soaking up the wisdom behind what doctor Scott 566 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: Morris just said to you, you're missing the entire idea 567 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 1: behind church health. And like you said at the beginning, 568 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: this can fix so much more than just a headache 569 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: or a broken leg. It can fix our souls and 570 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 1: collectively it can fix our souls. And one other thing 571 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 1: I want to emphasize you said, I have said on 572 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 1: this show and I remain saying it and I will 573 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:22,319 Speaker 1: say it forever. I do not care what you look like. 574 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 1: I do not care how you vote, I do not 575 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 1: care who you worship. I don't care who you love. 576 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,280 Speaker 1: If you're doing something in your neck of the woods 577 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: to serve somebody who is not as advantaged or as 578 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 1: well off as you, I can celebrate you. It is 579 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: the one thing that breaks down all politics and belief 580 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: sets and everything is I don't care who you are, 581 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: who you love, how you worship, what you look like. 582 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 1: If you're serving someone who's not as blessed as you 583 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,759 Speaker 1: in your community, that is something that I can celebrate. 584 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,439 Speaker 1: And if I'm doing the saying, that's something you can 585 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:06,280 Speaker 1: celebrate about me. And from that foundation we can grow 586 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 1: common respect, We can grow and understanding and hopefully erase 587 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 1: so much of this narrative that divis us. I believe 588 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 1: that with everything I am, and to hear you say 589 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: that this massive success that is church health was first 590 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 1: funded by a Jewish foundation and is now worked in 591 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: by doctors giving of their time that are Christian but 592 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:44,880 Speaker 1: also Jewish, Muslim and Hindu. Does that not speak to 593 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:51,239 Speaker 1: the healing of our collective social soul. 594 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 2: It does, And there's so much more to do. You know, 595 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 2: one thing we haven't talked about, that you and I 596 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 2: have talked about is the you know, these days, fifty 597 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 2: percent of our patients speak Spanish and the issue of immigration. 598 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,400 Speaker 2: I don't know how we got there, you know, but 599 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 2: people to think that immigrants in America, especially coming from 600 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,359 Speaker 2: the southern border, have only been here for like. 601 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:19,800 Speaker 1: Two weeks, the fit a lot longer than two weeks. 602 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 2: The average amount of time that a Spanish speaking immigrant 603 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 2: has been in America is fifteen years. And again, you 604 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 2: and I have talked about this. 605 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 1: They pay taxes so Security. 606 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 2: You know, you gave me this insight about how they 607 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:38,840 Speaker 2: pay Social Security, and the Social Security administration realizes they'll 608 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 2: never have to pay that money out. They pay into 609 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 2: a system that they can never benefit from. 610 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,360 Speaker 1: They prop the system up, I would argue. 611 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,400 Speaker 2: And you could not be more right. I've thought along 612 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 2: a lot about it here since you first talked to 613 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 2: me about that. So but if somebody is building our 614 00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,760 Speaker 2: house in our suburbs and they fall off the roof 615 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 2: and break their leg, we have an obligation to take 616 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,279 Speaker 2: care of them. In my mind, know that fans or 617 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,759 Speaker 2: butts about it. You know, if I have to look 618 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,279 Speaker 2: God in the face at the end of time, and 619 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 2: he asked me or she asked me, what did you 620 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 2: do in that situation? I want to say I did 621 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:22,320 Speaker 2: the best I could, and there's I believe if Martin 622 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,920 Speaker 2: Luther King were alive today, this is the issue that 623 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,359 Speaker 2: he would be marching in the streets. SOB you know 624 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,600 Speaker 2: that this is the civil rights issue in today's world, 625 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 2: and we don't seem to see it. 626 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,239 Speaker 1: I want to say something about that real quick as 627 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:46,840 Speaker 1: we close. Right before we close it, the border needs 628 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 1: to be sound. We can't be letting anybody wants to 629 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 1: come across the border. Across the border, we have to 630 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,799 Speaker 1: know who's among our ranks. We have to understand what's 631 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,840 Speaker 1: going on in our country, who's in our country. And 632 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,160 Speaker 1: the fact is, the hard truth is there are people 633 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,719 Speaker 1: who want to do our society and civilization ill. And 634 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 1: if you want proof, just remember nine to eleven. And 635 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 1: you have to have checks and balances, you have to 636 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 1: have law and order, you have to have a border. 637 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:19,400 Speaker 1: So this is not about that. This is about what 638 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:24,360 Speaker 1: Scott just talked about. The average length of time for 639 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:28,760 Speaker 1: a Spanish speaking immigrant in our country is sixteen years, 640 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,480 Speaker 1: not six months. And if you go out to dinner 641 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,880 Speaker 1: in the next week, one of those people will have 642 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:42,360 Speaker 1: played a part in preparing your meal. If you go 643 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 1: in a building any time in the next day, if 644 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,920 Speaker 1: you're not living in attempt, one of those people played 645 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 1: a part in constructing the building that you live in. 646 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 1: There is not a place in our society that hard 647 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:06,799 Speaker 1: working immigrants have not served you, and to ignore that 648 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:11,280 Speaker 1: fact and act as if we don't have a moral 649 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,759 Speaker 1: obligation to figure this out in a better way is 650 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:20,440 Speaker 1: frankly just stupid. Yes we have to have secure borders, 651 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:25,120 Speaker 1: Yes we have tonew has in our country, but it 652 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,799 Speaker 1: shouldn't take a person who wants to be their their 653 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,600 Speaker 1: life eleven years to be able to get a green card. 654 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,239 Speaker 1: We have a very broken system, and for most of 655 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,440 Speaker 1: us that is a governmental problem. But where it becomes 656 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 1: our problem is when we turn a blind eye to 657 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 1: it and we don't accept that there are human beings 658 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:50,800 Speaker 1: with souls amongst us every day, feeding us, building stuff 659 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,120 Speaker 1: for us, doing everything we need done in society, and 660 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:58,080 Speaker 1: we do have a more obligation to care for them. 661 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,720 Speaker 2: Well said in Churchill does that we do our best, 662 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:03,760 Speaker 2: and we're gonna do it tomorrow too. 663 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:09,640 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna root for you tomorrow. Scott Morris, amazing story, 664 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,719 Speaker 1: phenomenal story, and amazing things You're doing, And I'm gonna 665 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna do something I don't often do. 666 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,359 Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you have the last word, which is 667 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 1: you're getting to enjoy a podcast in Crosstown Concourse, the 668 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,280 Speaker 1: opposite end of where Church Health is in the Memphis 669 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,520 Speaker 1: Listening Lab. What do you know about this? Do you 670 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:33,600 Speaker 1: know much about this thing? 671 00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,960 Speaker 2: I do? I mean the listening lab is I forget 672 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:41,080 Speaker 2: the number of vinyl records here, ten thousand at least 673 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,600 Speaker 2: you know from a private collector. And you can just 674 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 2: come in here at any point and listen to whatever 675 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:55,040 Speaker 2: you wanna hear. And it's a beautiful space and groovy. 676 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,120 Speaker 1: What is it about two three thousand square feet? This 677 00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,920 Speaker 1: is not a small place now. Yeah, And once again, 678 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,000 Speaker 1: this wouldn't be here if it wasn't for the Crosstown Concourse, 679 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,799 Speaker 1: which wouldn't be here if it wasn't for Church Hell, 680 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,719 Speaker 1: which your legacy has a little stamp on the very 681 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 1: place we're having this conversation today, My friend. 682 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,320 Speaker 2: I love the fact that you all record here. It's fantastic. 683 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,000 Speaker 1: It is very cool. Scott, Thank you so much for 684 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,640 Speaker 1: sharing your story. Thanks for so much that you do 685 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:24,560 Speaker 1: for our city and Thank you so much for what 686 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,080 Speaker 1: you've done for so many hardworking people across our county 687 00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:33,160 Speaker 1: that don't have insurance and the belief set that it's 688 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,360 Speaker 1: not just about setting broken fingers and prescribing pills, but 689 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,839 Speaker 1: it's also about reaching the soul. Scott Morrise, you are 690 00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,520 Speaker 1: a great man, and I really thank you for joining us. 691 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:49,880 Speaker 1: It's my honor and thank you for joining us this week. 692 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:54,480 Speaker 1: If Scott Morris or other guests have inspired you in general, 693 00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:58,719 Speaker 1: or better yet, inspired you to take action by donating 694 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,800 Speaker 1: to church, hell, starting something like it in your area, 695 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:07,520 Speaker 1: volunteering in an existing one, or something else entirely, please 696 00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,080 Speaker 1: let me know. I'd love to hear about it. You 697 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:14,720 Speaker 1: can write me anytime at Bill at normalfolks dot us. 698 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,000 Speaker 1: If you enjoyed this episode, I'm begging you share it 699 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,799 Speaker 1: with friends and on social subscribe to the podcast, rate 700 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:27,120 Speaker 1: and review it, Become a premium member at normalfolks dot us. 701 00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,600 Speaker 1: Do any and all of these things that will help 702 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:34,000 Speaker 1: us grow an army of normal folks. The more view, 703 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,080 Speaker 1: the more impact we can have. I'm Bill Courtney. I'll 704 00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:43,400 Speaker 1: see you next week.