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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the ten Best Bobby Cast of twenty
Speaker 3: twenty four. We're doing the top five this week. If
Speaker 3: you missed the first part, I counted ten to six.
Speaker 3: One of them was stone Cold Steve Boston. Go back
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Speaker 3: five now, it's Co Wetzel from episode four forty eight.
Speaker 3: I was not sure how much we'd have in common,
Speaker 3: because you know, we like to drink and get in
Speaker 3: fights and I don't like either one of those things.
Speaker 1: But we did. We hit it off. Really liked the guy,
Speaker 1: cool guy.
Speaker 3: I've seen him out now in real life and this
Speaker 3: is a number five unexpected for me. Here's Co Wetzel
Speaker 3: from the Best Bobby Cast of the year.
Speaker 1: Do you feel that your lyrics are so raw and real?
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna talk out this question after I say
Speaker 3: it to you that sometimes you don't even relate to
Speaker 3: it more because in a different part of your life,
Speaker 3: your raw and real lyrics were.
Speaker 1: True to you then.
Speaker 3: But you've gotten older a bit, You've learned things where
Speaker 3: you can listen back to be like, man, that's so
Speaker 3: raw and real, but I don't even relate to that anymore.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well it's kind of like the February twenty eighth
Speaker 4: and stuff, and that's became just blown out of proportion,
Speaker 4: you know, stuff like that. But I mean, I wrote
Speaker 4: that song whenever I was twenty two, twenty three years old,
Speaker 4: and now that I'm thirty one, looking back at it,
Speaker 4: it's like every night it's like, damn, we gonna sing
Speaker 4: this song again. But people come to the show for
Speaker 4: that song, you know, a lot of people come just
Speaker 4: to hear that song. So, but songs like that, you know,
Speaker 4: it's Yeah, I've grown up a little bit, and I've
Speaker 4: gotten a little bit wiser, i'd say, And the songs
Speaker 4: that I wrote in college and how I was living
Speaker 4: my life back then are completely different than how I'm
Speaker 4: living my life now.
Speaker 1: So yeah, absolutely, like it's i don't know.
Speaker 3: Still raw and real and true to who that was.
Speaker 3: Absolutely got to be a little weirdo to sing stuff
Speaker 3: that you don't feel absolutely anymore.
Speaker 1: It is you your new record, though? What is it?
Speaker 5: When?
Speaker 1: Tell me about that? So, what's what's that? And how
Speaker 1: has that changed?
Speaker 4: It's getting into more relationship like more raw and rail
Speaker 4: about relationships and and uh just life as you know,
Speaker 4: pretty much from what I just said, from growing up
Speaker 4: and in the scene and doing that kind of stuff
Speaker 4: and and uh making that type of music to now
Speaker 4: what I'm making, you know, and how my life has
Speaker 4: changed from that.
Speaker 3: Any of these songs where they borderline, I don't know
Speaker 3: if I want to share that much.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to. I don't know
Speaker 1: if I feel like saying it right now.
Speaker 3: Is there any of that where it's not you listen,
Speaker 3: You're gonna say it if you feel it, but maybe
Speaker 3: you're like, maybe the time isn't right now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we held back on all a little bit of it.
Speaker 4: There was a couple of lines and songs that we
Speaker 4: had wrote and it was like, we really want to
Speaker 4: go there, and then we would record them, and then
Speaker 4: we would come back to them like let's do them
Speaker 4: for a couple of days, like maybe not, Let's let's
Speaker 4: hold off on it and just see how everybody takes
Speaker 4: this kind of newer sound that we're putting out.
Speaker 1: And I think that makes you know, less raw and real.
Speaker 3: But if there are other things that are so important
Speaker 3: to the record and that could distract from the things
Speaker 3: that you feel are the most important. Absolutely understand going
Speaker 3: maybe it's a time to, you know, admit I love
Speaker 3: the Pound puppies and have a fetish, you know, because
Speaker 3: that would be what people would attach to and not
Speaker 3: the message of the real message of a lot of
Speaker 3: the body of work. And that's even pretty mature to
Speaker 3: say that as an answer a question, because a lot
Speaker 3: of people go like, oh man, we give it to
Speaker 3: you straight, but you did give it straight.
Speaker 1: But there's sometimes that you want the straight, but now
Speaker 1: you're weird Jesus.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, what's the what's the weirdest thing about having money?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 6: Man, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Amazon, probably just get whatever you want quick. Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know people will. I think
Speaker 1: people were, I don't know.
Speaker 4: It's weird. That's a that's a good question as that before.
Speaker 4: I paid my phone bill last last week, so I mean,
Speaker 4: I don't have a ship ton of money, so I
Speaker 4: still got enough to live on.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to play that game because I'm not
Speaker 3: saying you're Bill Gates, but yeah, no, success now feels
Speaker 3: to me.
Speaker 1: It's at a level that you haven't had yet.
Speaker 3: Your experience, and I went, I was a trailer park kid, right.
Speaker 3: So when I started to make money is what I
Speaker 3: didn't have anybody I could talk to about money. And
Speaker 3: then once I started making a lot of money, I
Speaker 3: didn't have any talk to about money on this level.
Speaker 1: And then I didn't know what I was supposed to
Speaker 1: be doing with it.
Speaker 3: So there were times where I was like, I don't
Speaker 3: know what to do and it's a weird nobody feel
Speaker 3: sorry for you.
Speaker 1: Oh you got money now.
Speaker 4: It's could to be able to take care of like
Speaker 4: you no family members and stuff like that. You know,
Speaker 4: Like I was talking last night with a publicist and
Speaker 4: we were kind of just going over just older things
Speaker 4: and getting ready for the new record and release and stuff,
Speaker 4: and we got talking about the house that I grew
Speaker 4: up in and there's a picture for it, and she
Speaker 4: was like, is that really is? Like yeah, And I
Speaker 4: grew up that there was one hundred and acres. My
Speaker 4: grandparents were about to have a a lot of back
Speaker 4: taxes on the bank was about to take it. So
Speaker 4: I'm being able to come in and buy the family
Speaker 4: of land that's been in our name.
Speaker 6: For over one hundred years.
Speaker 1: That really really cool.
Speaker 4: You know so uh yeah, I mean being able to
Speaker 4: do stuff like that is really awesome. You know, if
Speaker 4: if anybody needs something, it's good to be able to,
Speaker 4: you know, holler at the account and be like yo, yeah.
Speaker 3: When people will ask me a similar question, we're like,
Speaker 3: what's the first thing you did?
Speaker 1: I bought my mama trailer and a few acres of land.
Speaker 3: We didn't have that, and I wanted to like remove
Speaker 3: that that fear of her losing it constantly. And for
Speaker 3: you to be able to do that at home, like
Speaker 3: that's like the it was like it almost doesn't matter
Speaker 3: what else happens that and things could be having you
Speaker 3: get ten planes, but still like that that moment yea relatively.
Speaker 4: Everybody, that makes you feel better than damn there anything else.
Speaker 4: You know that that's you're able to do that, you're
Speaker 4: financially able to do that, and that people actually give
Speaker 4: a shit and the and enough in your music and
Speaker 4: stuff for you know, that's how you got that money.
Speaker 3: You know. Do you ever feel a bit of imposter
Speaker 3: syndrome where you're like, I'm really not as good sometimes
Speaker 3: as people are, like like you're selling out.
Speaker 4: The cod thing all the time, Like yeah, I'm a
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm so hard on myself about everything, Like.
Speaker 3: Like, what specifically are you hard on yourself about? The
Speaker 3: people wouldn't even.
Speaker 1: Well just a songwrite like songwriting.
Speaker 4: Vocally everything, Like I'm a I'm a hard ass on myself. Like,
Speaker 4: but I grew up like that. My dad was the
Speaker 4: same way. He was usually hard on me, and nowadays,
Speaker 4: whenever you know, we talk, he's like, I was the
Speaker 4: way I was, So you wouldn't you know, have the
Speaker 4: life that.
Speaker 1: I have, you know, I mean boy named suit type
Speaker 1: almost yeah, legit and uh and you know, I thank
Speaker 1: him for that. I'm proud that he did that.
Speaker 4: And that's how already if I have a son or daughter,
Speaker 4: so I'm gonna raise them, you know, I'm gonna love
Speaker 4: him and you know, and and do everything I can
Speaker 4: for him. But at the same time, so I'm that
Speaker 4: you know, you know, you gotta keep gotta keep going.
Speaker 1: It's not all roses. I'm surprised. I like you really, Yeah,
Speaker 1: damn you don't like nobody.
Speaker 3: I mostly am indifferent. Yeah, there are people I just
Speaker 3: don't hand their people at. And I thought, I don't know,
Speaker 3: if I like Coe, like he'll probably be a dude
Speaker 3: I would probably like him. He's fine, And I didn't
Speaker 3: think I would dislike you. But I didn't expect to
Speaker 3: like you because people would have They would be like, oh, hey,
Speaker 3: co it's some people on my calendar, be like, oh,
Speaker 3: coach come up to the house, Like yeah, do you
Speaker 3: know them?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: But that's the bad part, Like nobody really knows knows
Speaker 4: a lot about me. Everything that they know is through
Speaker 4: social media or the Internet or stories that they've heard,
Speaker 4: and uh, I don't know.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 3: I like, like I can just like look at you
Speaker 3: aside from all the performance stuff, and even when you're
Speaker 3: talking about buying that land, like you can actually like
Speaker 3: feel like what matters, Like at the core, what matters?
Speaker 3: You ever write a song and cry because of what
Speaker 3: you what you wrote?
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 4: I got a music video back the other day though,
Speaker 4: for a new song, and it made me cry.
Speaker 1: It was it was crazy what triggered you?
Speaker 3: Like what you don't have to say anything you don't
Speaker 3: want to, but like what about it is?
Speaker 1: What made it music?
Speaker 4: We shot the music video back in my hometown. It
Speaker 4: was just like shots of you know, pictures growing up
Speaker 4: and h my buddy's headstone and video. You know, I
Speaker 4: always go every time back home, I go, I sit there,
Speaker 4: I drank a beer with poor beer out for him,
Speaker 4: and I sit there and it was a shot of
Speaker 4: that and something clicked and.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I started kind of yeah.
Speaker 4: My buddy were sitting there watching TV, and he was like,
Speaker 4: what the fuck's wrong, you know, And I was like, oh, bad, dude.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: This truly got me and and I sent it to
Speaker 4: my folks and they were like, it kind of pulls
Speaker 4: on the hard strains a little bit, you know. And
Speaker 4: but I don't think I've ever wrote a song cried, sure,
Speaker 4: drunkenly cried, and just don't remember it.
Speaker 3: At number four is Granger Smith from episode four fifty one.
Speaker 3: Feels like it's basically an hour long therapy session and
Speaker 3: him talking about some strong I'm talking about losing his sun.
Speaker 3: I'm talking about why I decided to switch to ministry
Speaker 3: and much more. I will give a trigger warning because
Speaker 3: we did talk about a real life moment with some loss.
Speaker 3: So just to heads up here and if you want
Speaker 3: to hear the full episode again, it's episode four fifty one,
Speaker 3: But here is Granger Smith at number four. When you
Speaker 3: write and not so much like up toward the light,
Speaker 3: which we can get to. But when you write Like
Speaker 3: a River, it's very it's extremely at times personal, and
Speaker 3: you have to re refeel things and sometimes discover things
Speaker 3: that you didn't feel the first time. Yeah, or at
Speaker 3: least not fully because it was so painful that you're
Speaker 3: not you can't take it all in all at once.
Speaker 3: It's like a fire hose coming at you when you
Speaker 3: write a book like Like a River, and you have
Speaker 3: to reexperience some of the things by writing about it
Speaker 3: or even thinking about if you're going to write about
Speaker 3: it or not. Difficult was that to kind of travel
Speaker 3: back through and try to communicate properly because you've had
Speaker 3: a little distance from it. It still sucks, but now
Speaker 3: you're not just feeling. You've got to feel it and
Speaker 3: communicate it and yet still take yourself through it again
Speaker 3: so you can't communicate it.
Speaker 7: When I first was kind of putting together the outline
Speaker 7: for it, I realized early on this is going to
Speaker 7: be more than I thought, because the first literally the
Speaker 7: first chapter is we lose River, and then I've got
Speaker 7: a bunch of I've got a bunch more chapters and
Speaker 7: it's all the aftermath, really the book is really the
Speaker 7: aftermath of losing him. And as I was doing the outline,
Speaker 7: and this is this chapter, then I'll say this, I'll
Speaker 7: say this, I'll say this, and I completed it, and
Speaker 7: I knew there was a piece I was intentionally missing
Speaker 7: because I just didn't want to go there. And it
Speaker 7: was the time when I was, you know, almost killed myself, suicide.
Speaker 7: But the story wasn't complete without it. So at some
Speaker 7: level I was like, my wife didn't know about it,
Speaker 7: no one knew about it. It's like it needs to
Speaker 7: be a chapter because this part doesn't make sense down
Speaker 7: here without the connector. And the connector was the dark
Speaker 7: night that I had, and so going there was something
Speaker 7: and then not only going there, but then I called
Speaker 7: Amber and I told her, I got to tell you.
Speaker 7: I literally waited till the book proposal was done and
Speaker 7: they're going to pitch it to publishers. And the book
Speaker 7: proposal had a chapter summaries, and as it was going out,
Speaker 7: I was like, I better call Amber and tell her
Speaker 7: that's how long I waited. And she cried and then
Speaker 7: she said, well, you better call your mom. Mom didn't know,
Speaker 7: and then Mom said you better call your brothers no
Speaker 7: one knew about this, So it was not only writing
Speaker 7: it and thinking through it as I was writing it,
Speaker 7: but then telling the world about the most embarrassing, most
Speaker 7: vulnerable moment in my life when I almost killed myself.
Speaker 3: So if people were to read the book and you
Speaker 3: didn't put that in, they wouldn't have known it wasn't in.
Speaker 3: They still would have felt, this is impactful book, this
Speaker 3: has taught me a lesson.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't have known that it was not in.
Speaker 3: Yet you put it in because to you, did it
Speaker 3: not feel like you were being or you were giving
Speaker 3: the honest version of your thoughts, feelings, emotions about what happened?
Speaker 5: Correct?
Speaker 6: That was?
Speaker 7: That was the hinge.
Speaker 6: That was the pivot.
Speaker 7: Moment in my trying to fix myself, and then that
Speaker 7: was the pivot into surrender.
Speaker 3: I can't fix my Was that uh, dealing with addiction?
Speaker 3: Was Was it a mental emotional? Like the bottom for you?
Speaker 3: Was that the bottom that made you just made you
Speaker 3: go If I don't go up from here, it's going
Speaker 3: to be over over And that was it.
Speaker 7: I don't know how to better define a bottom, but
Speaker 7: that's bottom as I've ever been.
Speaker 3: Yeah, why did you choose not to commit suicide, like
Speaker 3: what was in your head?
Speaker 1: They says, Okay, I need to fight this.
Speaker 3: It's more than an urge. It urge is not the
Speaker 3: correct word for it. But why did you not do it?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 7: I want to say, I want to tell you without
Speaker 7: sounding weird, because it kind of gets a little weird.
Speaker 7: But I'll just describe it the best I can. When
Speaker 7: I reached this in Boise, Idaho, we were playing back
Speaker 7: to back shows December of twenty nineteen. And you know,
Speaker 7: when you play back to back shows, you don't travel
Speaker 7: in between, so there's kill a lot of time the
Speaker 7: bus isn't moving. I went with the band and had
Speaker 7: a few drinks way too many. Was feeling normal again.
Speaker 7: Went back to the bus six months after losing River,
Speaker 7: feeling okay, like feeling like a human being again. Went
Speaker 7: to my back lounge and saw like all my self
Speaker 7: help books, my little marijuana pin, all the little things
Speaker 7: that I had done to create a world that to
Speaker 7: make me feel normal, instantly recognizing things aren't normal. Then
Speaker 7: I realized, well, this is probably the first time I've
Speaker 7: been drunk since I've been therapy. All this, I've put
Speaker 7: all these barriers in place to try to protect me
Speaker 7: from my slideshow, which is this PTSD idea of I
Speaker 7: would just see River in the pool, floating face down.
Speaker 6: I would pick him up.
Speaker 7: His face is purple, his eyes are open, just looking
Speaker 7: in all directions. His hair's messed up, his limbs are
Speaker 7: dangling like a rag doll. I'm doing CPR, wondering if
Speaker 7: I should press harder on his chest or if it
Speaker 7: might break his bones, and then thinking maybe that's the
Speaker 7: least of my worries right now, like all these ideas.
Speaker 7: Then I see the doctor walk in. He tells me
Speaker 7: no chance. I hear those ambulances screaming down that quiet road.
Speaker 7: I see my son Lincoln's hand on his brother's lightning
Speaker 7: me Queen coffin his best friend's funeral. All these things
Speaker 7: were just haunting me, not just the grief of losing
Speaker 7: a child, but the shame and the guilt that I
Speaker 7: was there and failed. All of it was culminating that night,
Speaker 7: and Boise and I had the most vivid what I
Speaker 7: called the slide show, just panic attack, crying, couldn't stop it.
Speaker 7: Hit that weed pin as hard as I could. I
Speaker 7: was already way too intoxicated, and realizing there was no hope,
Speaker 7: grabbed the nine melimeters pistol that we had in the drawer,
Speaker 7: put it in my mouth.
Speaker 1: And this is when it gets weird.
Speaker 7: I realized that I had I thought, a thought that
Speaker 7: my mind didn't generate. I knew it was a foreign thought,
Speaker 7: as if as if there was something else thinking for
Speaker 7: me or providing information to me. I think that's the
Speaker 7: best way I could describe it. In that moment, I
Speaker 7: realized I was not alone. Basically, something else was with
Speaker 7: me that night, and I heard in the thought was
Speaker 7: a voice that said, this is the way to rest,
Speaker 7: This is the way to peace.
Speaker 8: Just squeeze the trigger.
Speaker 7: And it was realizing that I was under attack the
Speaker 7: first time. It had never occurred to me in my
Speaker 7: whole life as a cultural, nominal, religious person. Had never
Speaker 7: occurred to me. But there was an enemy that I'd
Speaker 7: been stalked and and it just about killed me that night.
Speaker 3: But to realize that there's an enemy at a time
Speaker 3: when you're realizing button isn't really working, that to separate,
Speaker 3: to be able to do and go this is not
Speaker 3: me at a time and again it's a lot of
Speaker 3: irrational thoughts are happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And to have the one rational thought.
Speaker 7: So the one rational thought caused the next thing to happen.
Speaker 7: And that's when I said, Jesus, please save me, Please
Speaker 7: Jesus say that just it was like a knee jerk.
Speaker 7: It's like an old pulling back on the old Sunday
Speaker 7: School knee jerk reaction.
Speaker 6: But when I.
Speaker 7: Said it, the slide show stopped. It's actually stopped. Everything stopped.
Speaker 7: That weird pain that the voice. There was just enough
Speaker 7: rest for me to drop the gun, to fold the floor,
Speaker 7: and I just cried myself asleep on the floor of
Speaker 7: the bus, saying please Jesus saved me. Because what changed
Speaker 7: was I went from shame and guilt and panic attack
Speaker 7: to all of a sudden fear of an enemy that
Speaker 7: I didn't even know.
Speaker 6: I was surrounded by.
Speaker 3: The fact that you can have that rational thought in
Speaker 3: the midst of that storm of complete irrationality. To be
Speaker 3: able to not do it.
Speaker 7: Is the only reason I'm sitting in this chair right now.
Speaker 7: I would have been another statistic that you read on
Speaker 7: the show.
Speaker 3: I don't really read a lot of those statistics on
Speaker 3: me that those statics don't make me happy, but uh yeah,
Speaker 3: to me, that is that is just wild. That again,
Speaker 3: that is a time where you've obviously at the temporarily
Speaker 3: lost control, yet you still felt something still got there's
Speaker 3: still a bit of control that got through.
Speaker 1: That. Why it feels crazy is that.
Speaker 3: Usually in that situation, I think a lot of people
Speaker 3: don't have the opportunity to have or find the rational thought.
Speaker 7: I don't give myself credit for that because I know this.
Speaker 1: No, I don't either.
Speaker 7: I know the statistics and I know it's rare.
Speaker 1: And that you can even recognize the difference in the
Speaker 1: two That is so.
Speaker 3: I yeah to I would be extremely grateful, and you are,
Speaker 3: and that I think this is one of the ways
Speaker 3: that I think I could kind of that shouldn't happen.
Speaker 3: I don't know how you got a clear thought in
Speaker 3: your mind went a very non clear thought time, and
Speaker 3: I do see almost I can feel why that would
Speaker 3: change fundamentally, right mentally the reason you do what you
Speaker 3: do right.
Speaker 7: You can't be the same person after a night like that.
Speaker 2: Hang tight, The Bobby Cast will be right back. Wow,
Speaker 2: and we're back on the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 3: And number three it's Darius Rucker back from episode four
Speaker 3: fifty four. I can relate to Darius in many ways
Speaker 3: more than I even knew I could. I want you
Speaker 3: to listen to this.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: He talked about why he wants to be an amazing
Speaker 3: dad to his own kids. There's some deep stuff here.
Speaker 3: Darius Rutger is at number three. Did you ever get
Speaker 3: the stage of as you're writing it, like, man, I'm
Speaker 3: so over me, Like, I'm like, nobody cares that much.
Speaker 3: I mean I went through all Yeah, that's like I was,
Speaker 3: it's all about me, as writing about me, me me, I'm like, God,
Speaker 3: nobody cares.
Speaker 9: I called Clarence, my manager, and said, dude, why are
Speaker 9: we doing this? I was like, no one's going to
Speaker 9: buy this book. Nobody cares about my life. I was like, dude.
Speaker 9: And then you know, you're you're worried about some of
Speaker 9: the stuff you're put in. You're like and you're like,
Speaker 9: am I really gonna put.
Speaker 6: That in there?
Speaker 9: And then you put it in there? And you're like,
Speaker 9: nobody's going to care about that? You know, like even
Speaker 9: even you know, now you know, I've written a book,
Speaker 9: and I still like, no one's gonna care about.
Speaker 3: This same I had the same feeling, and I remember
Speaker 3: being ashamed not of what I put in it, but
Speaker 3: ashamed of the potential feelings I could have when people
Speaker 3: were judging me, and.
Speaker 5: So you're, yeah, that's oh my goodness.
Speaker 3: So you're you're at the stage now where people and
Speaker 3: it's it's so different than music though, because you're gonna
Speaker 3: put out this book and you're gonna be like, all right,
Speaker 3: I read it for people to tell me and texts
Speaker 3: like for hour to read a book. Yeah, so you
Speaker 3: just kind of they it's a slow roll of like people.
Speaker 3: But there was a part in my first book where
Speaker 3: my mom was struggling and she was a bad addict,
Speaker 3: and she had called and I started to make a
Speaker 3: little bit of money and she was like, if you
Speaker 3: don't give me money, I love my mom, so I'm
Speaker 3: gonna say that.
Speaker 1: But there was a where she was like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do porn.
Speaker 3: And that was really heavy and hard on me, but
Speaker 3: it was also it made me realize how awful it
Speaker 3: was for her, and like I knew, but I didn't
Speaker 3: really like yeah, but when she called and threatened me
Speaker 3: like I'm going to do porn if you don't send
Speaker 3: me money, I had that where I was like, I
Speaker 3: don't know if I should put this in the book,
Speaker 3: but because of what I had to develop, because so
Speaker 3: I put it in with the context around it, and
Speaker 3: I thought people are going to judge me, or people
Speaker 3: are going But that's the thing when I would go
Speaker 3: do shows that people would be like, not the exact
Speaker 3: same story, but very sick. That people would be like,
Speaker 3: That's what I related to the most. Yeah, And that
Speaker 3: was the part I felt that I was going to
Speaker 3: be the judge the most on was that.
Speaker 1: Type of stuff, the really personal stuff.
Speaker 3: Absolutely so the fact that you have those feelings like
Speaker 3: I'm proud of you, because then that means you put
Speaker 3: it out there.
Speaker 9: Oh, I put it out there for sure. This is
Speaker 9: one thing I talk about in the book where I
Speaker 9: don't see my dad from the time I'm like thirteen
Speaker 9: or fourteen, twenty eight, fifteen years Nope, not a word.
Speaker 6: Never saw his face. Do you know where it was, Yeah,
Speaker 6: fifteen minutes from my house. You know, he lived right
Speaker 6: up the road.
Speaker 9: And never saw him fifteen years and then let him
Speaker 9: and hits and things that start getting crazy.
Speaker 6: And we're playing.
Speaker 9: We're playing out a string of clubs and rooms that
Speaker 9: we had booked and uh so we're playing in Charleston
Speaker 9: at the King Street Palace, which used to be Charleston
Speaker 9: County Hall, and I'm having dinner after sound check and
Speaker 9: he walks in the room.
Speaker 1: Do you know it's him?
Speaker 9: Yeah, Dean. Dean knew it was him before I say anything,
Speaker 9: like Diana, Yeah, Deana Bases. We're sitting there eating and
Speaker 9: Dean looks up and goes, oh, I mean he just
Speaker 9: looked at me. Oh that's gotta be your daddy. Looks
Speaker 9: just like it's like it is. And he walks over
Speaker 9: and he talks to me and acts like really, acts
Speaker 9: like you know. We saw each other yesterday, and I
Speaker 9: decided I'm gonna be the bigger man. And I was like,
Speaker 9: you know, cause really you have so many conflicting things.
Speaker 9: I'm like, am I gonna just blow this golf? I'm
Speaker 9: gonna tell him, what are you doing here? I haven't
Speaker 9: seen you in fifteen years? You know, get away? No,
Speaker 9: I said, all right, I decided I was going to
Speaker 9: be the bigger man. Try to develop some kind of
Speaker 9: relationship with him. So we talked for a little while
Speaker 9: and I give him my phone number. This before cell phones.
Speaker 9: I give my phone number and go on the road
Speaker 9: for a couple of days and I get back to
Speaker 9: my house and I check my answer machine and he's
Speaker 9: on my answer machine. And the first message he left
Speaker 9: me in my whole life, I haven't talked to him
Speaker 9: for fifteen years. He asked me for fifty thousand dollars.
Speaker 9: It was shocking. I was like, are you kidding me?
Speaker 9: And painful and expecting me to give it to him?
Speaker 3: Yeah, And here you are, hopefully investing yourself back into something.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And the first that's I like, that hurt to my
Speaker 3: heart because that's just that's so painful.
Speaker 6: And I can.
Speaker 3: Understand being mad and like I can't believe it, but
Speaker 3: also big time because that's your freaking dad.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and maybe and you know, and when he came,
Speaker 9: I'll never forget, like reading bread it back of course,
Speaker 9: like we were talking about it hurts, you know, therapeutic,
Speaker 9: and I'll never forget after him coming and us going
Speaker 9: on the road, how I just felt like.
Speaker 6: Okay, cool, now, Dad and I we're going to have
Speaker 6: a relationship.
Speaker 9: We'll try to have some kind of salvage something for
Speaker 9: father and son relationship out of this. And that was
Speaker 9: the first thing he asked. He asked me, and I
Speaker 9: don't think we've ever really had a conversation after that.
Speaker 1: Is he still alive?
Speaker 6: No, he died a few years ago.
Speaker 1: Did you go to the funeral?
Speaker 6: I did? Sat in the back.
Speaker 3: I often thought if I wonder if I could go
Speaker 3: to my real dad's funeral. He you know, he left
Speaker 3: when I was six or whatever.
Speaker 6: Sat in the back, didn't take my kids or anything.
Speaker 1: Wow, and uh, what was that like for you?
Speaker 6: It was amazing to me because.
Speaker 9: I'm sitting in the back and all these people are
Speaker 9: getting up and speaking and talking about how great this
Speaker 9: guy is, and I'm going, well, he was great to
Speaker 9: everybody else but me obviously, which is absolutely amazing.
Speaker 1: Why do you think that he was estranged from you?
Speaker 9: I think he had so many kids around town that
Speaker 9: I was another headache. And I never complained, and my
Speaker 9: mom never complained. So you're not complaining, you know, Oh
Speaker 9: I don't really care.
Speaker 1: Squeaky will.
Speaker 9: Yeah, that Squeak was up, so I'm not gonna come.
Speaker 9: See you're not complaining.
Speaker 1: It also sucks he was so close.
Speaker 9: That's the thing that bothers me so much. I can't
Speaker 9: imagine as a father. I can't imagine my kid living
Speaker 9: five minutes fifteen minutes. For me, I literally lived fifteen
Speaker 9: minutes from him and not seeing them for fifteen years.
Speaker 6: I can't imagine that.
Speaker 3: You and I had a conversation and the last couple
Speaker 3: of months or so, and I was talking about my
Speaker 3: fears of being a father, and you were very upfront
Speaker 3: and direct, and I was like, I'm scared be a
Speaker 3: dad because I don't have a model.
Speaker 8: My dad sucked.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be that.
Speaker 3: I feel like there could be that inside of me,
Speaker 3: just because it was inside of him.
Speaker 1: And you were like nope.
Speaker 3: And then you used you as an example, which is
Speaker 3: the best example, because it's not you going why this
Speaker 3: guy didn't have a dad and now look at him?
Speaker 1: But you were like nope, look at me. And you
Speaker 1: talked about the love you have for your kids.
Speaker 8: Yeah, what is that?
Speaker 1: You can't explain a feeling, but explain a feeling.
Speaker 9: I always say that my kids know where I am
Speaker 9: twenty four hours a day, can get in touch me
Speaker 9: twenty four hours of day. If my phone cell phone rings,
Speaker 9: they don't get me, there's somebody in my camp that
Speaker 9: will find me. And that is because of my whole life.
Speaker 9: I never knew where he was and my love for
Speaker 9: my kids. That's why I can't understand, you know, dads
Speaker 9: like our dads. I just don't understand how you can
Speaker 9: walk away from a kid like that. Because my love
Speaker 9: for my kids, you know, unconditional, no matter what, I'm
Speaker 9: going to be there for them and be supporting them.
Speaker 9: And I mean I feel I think I feel stronger
Speaker 9: because I didn't have a dad, because I didn't have this.
Speaker 3: Because you came out on the other side with all
Speaker 3: the tools in the strength. Yes, I bet you wouldn't
Speaker 3: wish that on your on your on a kid, No.
Speaker 9: Way, no way. I wouldn't wish, especially a male kid.
Speaker 9: I wouldn't wish a female you know, female kid too.
Speaker 9: But like a boy growing up without a dad.
Speaker 1: How did you do son, male things without a dad
Speaker 1: there to teach you those things?
Speaker 6: Well? Usually I didn't unless but I got lucky.
Speaker 9: You.
Speaker 6: I have.
Speaker 9: Five guys who I grew up with, who I've known,
Speaker 9: like four of them I've known since I was like
Speaker 9: six months. We grew up in the same neighborhood, and
Speaker 9: their dads were great to me. Like I told, I
Speaker 9: told this great story. And it's another moment where I'm reading,
Speaker 9: I'm reading, you know, doing the audiobook, and I get
Speaker 9: choked up. And I'm telling the story about UH losing
Speaker 9: the championship game in our ten year old football league,
Speaker 9: and you know, it was a great season.
Speaker 6: We should have won it.
Speaker 9: And the last, our last game, we're all sitting we lost,
Speaker 9: and we're sitting there and everybody's upset, and the coach goes, well,
Speaker 9: you know, we'll see you. We'll see everybody of the
Speaker 9: week at our father son dinner and you know, I
Speaker 9: couldn't say anything. I didn't want to say anything there,
Speaker 9: but I'm thinking, you won't see me, you know. And
Speaker 9: the day of that dinner, David David Campbell's my one
Speaker 9: of my best friends name Squirt, one of my best
Speaker 9: friends in the world, and his dad, I'm sitting just
Speaker 9: sitting in my room doing nothing, you know, about thirty
Speaker 9: minutes for the things supposed to start. I know I'm
Speaker 9: not going. I haven't even really mentioned it to my mom.
Speaker 9: And mister camber On he knew because he's a coach,
Speaker 9: you know, on the on the park and Uh knock
Speaker 9: at the door and I answered the door and he's
Speaker 9: standing there in a suit and tie and he's like.
Speaker 6: Let's go, Like, where are we going?
Speaker 9: He's going we're going to dinner, you know, and he
Speaker 9: took time away from his kids to take me to
Speaker 9: that dinner.
Speaker 6: And that's something I've never forgotten.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like, uh making me cry here.
Speaker 3: No, I'm feeling the same way too, because again, without
Speaker 3: like my best friend's dad, I would have never gone
Speaker 3: on a vacation. Yeah, Like there were a lot of
Speaker 3: things that he didn't have to do, and I look
Speaker 3: back and like, why would he do.
Speaker 6: Why would he do that?
Speaker 9: Like my other best friend, Rick Johanna is his dad.
Speaker 9: My love of golf, you know, the you know the
Speaker 9: real reason I went to college because he wasn't gonna
Speaker 9: let me not go. And it was just those men
Speaker 9: realized I didn't have a man in my life and
Speaker 9: took it upon themselves.
Speaker 6: To be that.
Speaker 1: And number two is the lead singer of Zach band
Speaker 1: Zack Brown. He stopped by.
Speaker 3: I talked about playing bars for years, playing Chicken Fried
Speaker 3: for ten years in a bar basically, and why it
Speaker 3: took years and years and years to finish one of
Speaker 3: their biggest songs. From episode four fifty six. Here is
Speaker 3: Zack Brown at number two.
Speaker 10: I think as a kid, just being super creative, like
Speaker 10: I would make stuff in class out of you know,
Speaker 10: construction paper and pipe cleaners and stuff. I'd make like
Speaker 10: little weird grappling hooks and tear up the corner of
Speaker 10: the carpet and make a rope for it, and like,
Speaker 10: I don't know, I was always making things, So it's
Speaker 10: natural as my progression. And I always love to see
Speaker 10: anyone that's really amazing at doing something, somebody that's like
Speaker 10: the leather worker that I have, rom Oonne, he's unbelievable.
Speaker 10: So for Louis Vuitton for twenty years, he's when he
Speaker 10: crafts something out of leather, it's like it's perfect, you know.
Speaker 8: And finding people like.
Speaker 10: That that are so good at what they do and
Speaker 10: they have this level of passion that drives them to
Speaker 10: be that kind of excellent, I wanted to like provide
Speaker 10: a space for them to do what they do, just
Speaker 10: like what do you need? What tools do you need?
Speaker 10: To do this on a bigger level, so we can
Speaker 10: make things and sell them pay for your salary, but
Speaker 10: also be able to make things very bespoke things for people,
Speaker 10: or make things, you know, like my plane, the whole
Speaker 10: interior my plane, ramone handmade every piece of the plane,
Speaker 10: all the chairs, the panels, ceiling, the bathroom, every everything
Speaker 10: in it. So I've always been really attracted to people
Speaker 10: that are really amazing at something. And then what I'm
Speaker 10: at is being a pragmatic person and going, Okay, if
Speaker 10: I just give this person every tool that they need
Speaker 10: in the space and freedom to do it, what can
Speaker 10: they create?
Speaker 3: Do you expect the same thing whenever it comes to
Speaker 3: you and your music? You want them to give you
Speaker 3: every resource to let you do your perfection?
Speaker 8: Yeah? Absolutely, And my band is extraordinary.
Speaker 3: I'm at like a record label or at whomever, because
Speaker 3: you you know, they have to fund things. It's not
Speaker 3: you know, there's reasons find with the label. Do you
Speaker 3: expect them to give you the same liberty that you
Speaker 3: give your creatives?
Speaker 8: For sure?
Speaker 10: And you know, I think if you're going to work
Speaker 10: with the label, they have to trust you as the artist.
Speaker 10: You know, I don't have A and R coming in
Speaker 10: to tell me what kind of songs to write and
Speaker 10: what it needs to sound like and be like.
Speaker 8: And stuff like that. Like, I create what I create, and.
Speaker 10: If they like it, then they're gonna you know, support it,
Speaker 10: and they'll listen through everything that we made and say
Speaker 10: this might be the best one for this and being
Speaker 10: able to kind of trust your team with that. But
Speaker 10: it's very important to me. I've been fanatically rebellious since
Speaker 10: I was a child, to where I someone tries to
Speaker 10: tell me what I should be, how I should act,
Speaker 10: to what I should I didn't get a record deal
Speaker 10: for ten years because people came in and we're like, Okay,
Speaker 10: we're gonna get you a cowboy hat and some boots
Speaker 10: and we're gonna put you up. And that was the
Speaker 10: end of the conversation for me because I knew who
Speaker 10: I was and I was brave enough to say that's
Speaker 10: not who I am. And I remember one time we
Speaker 10: were selling out like five six thousand seats at places
Speaker 10: before we had a record deal. I mean we played
Speaker 10: every night. I had to create a business model. So
Speaker 10: I would go to bars, sports bars. They didn't have
Speaker 10: a lot of music, and I'd say, I'm gonna play
Speaker 10: here every Friday night. I'm gonna come set up and
Speaker 10: all I want is the door, give me a tab,
Speaker 10: give me some food or whatever, you know, give me
Speaker 10: a couple hundred bucks in a tab for me in
Speaker 10: mist in Georgia, Georgia, Florida, and Alabama. So my first
Speaker 10: ten years of touring, I did that, and I played
Speaker 10: house gigs at the same place every the same night
Speaker 10: of the week for ten years. But after a little
Speaker 10: bit of time, on a Wednesday night at as Sidelines
Speaker 10: in Kinnesau, we'd have three hundred people come in pay
Speaker 10: a door charge, and I'd make, you know, twelve hundred
Speaker 10: bucks at the door, and then they're stoked. Because if
Speaker 10: I've owned restaurants too, so you lose your ass in
Speaker 10: a restaurant Monday through Thursday, Friday Saturdays.
Speaker 8: You make up for the rest of the whole week.
Speaker 10: But making a business, making a night of business for
Speaker 10: somebody on a Wednesday, that's like a Friday Saturday, is
Speaker 10: like a gold mine.
Speaker 8: That's that's but I would show up and play.
Speaker 10: We'd play four hours a night, and we'd set up
Speaker 10: I mean, at first it was six hours a night
Speaker 10: we'd play, but we created a business model. And if
Speaker 10: I had been in Nashville here trying to go hunt
Speaker 10: a gig for sixty bucks a night, you know, hustling
Speaker 10: like that. There's a lot of people, there's so many
Speaker 10: incredible players and things around here, but it's so saturated
Speaker 10: it there's not a business that we created a business model.
Speaker 10: So we would play those places every single week and
Speaker 10: we'd bring in tons of people, and that's how I
Speaker 10: could test my songs that I was writing. I would
Speaker 10: know I'd play it out like I was playing Chicken
Speaker 10: Fried in bars for years before we put.
Speaker 8: It on an album.
Speaker 10: But I knew after playing that in front of three
Speaker 10: hundred people a night on a Wednesday in a sports
Speaker 10: bar that it would work. I could tell by the
Speaker 10: reaction of what the people were doing. So they were
Speaker 10: the litmus test of like what's working and what's not.
Speaker 10: So six nights a week for ten years, bro just
Speaker 10: grinding my ass off, sleeping against the window of a truck,
Speaker 10: you know, hired a dude to drive me and pull
Speaker 10: my you know, covered trailer around with our shits on
Speaker 10: sticks in it and our PA.
Speaker 8: System and.
Speaker 10: Doing that. So I didn't know how other people did it.
Speaker 10: I didn't know there were rules or how it works
Speaker 10: or anything like that. So it was always interesting to
Speaker 10: me when I come to Nashville and the way people
Speaker 10: write songs and I was writing just you know, late
Speaker 10: at night, up after the shows that somebody's random living room,
Speaker 10: you know. So I didn't know that people sit and
Speaker 10: write like they'll take four sessions a day and come
Speaker 10: in to write and do things. So I never knew
Speaker 10: the way business should work or how it should work.
Speaker 10: All I knew was I'm just playing and I was
Speaker 10: cutting my teeth. And it gave me the best like resilience,
Speaker 10: and it also gave me this incredible appreciation for every
Speaker 10: single person. Sometimes the dude cleaning up the bar was
Speaker 10: the only person that was listening to me. And so
Speaker 10: my connection to people, to I don't know, this is
Speaker 10: not a derogatory thing, but like to common people, being
Speaker 10: out there with people. So I learned to love all
Speaker 10: kinds of people of all different abilities because you never
Speaker 10: know how. And I can still go in the back
Speaker 10: in the kitchen and Dixie Tavern right now and see Fernando,
Speaker 10: the guy that was always cooking in the back of
Speaker 10: the kitchen, and give him a hug and hang out
Speaker 10: with him because that was my family back then.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think it's a derogatory term if you're
Speaker 3: also one of them.
Speaker 8: I am absolutely one of the people, and.
Speaker 3: I don't think it. Man, what take this that if
Speaker 3: you're like common people. But if it's like if I
Speaker 3: were to call somebody hillbilly. That's okay. I come from
Speaker 3: freaking Mountaine, Arkansas, so I can do that. But if
Speaker 3: somebody from it's not a hillbilly for sure calls me hillbilly.
Speaker 1: But you have this weird.
Speaker 3: Stew of of perfectionist.
Speaker 1: And creative.
Speaker 3: Those don't often go together. What's what's the tug on that?
Speaker 3: And who wins? Because again, the creative and the perfectionist
Speaker 3: that doesn't mix well a lot of the times.
Speaker 10: Man, you know, I got a tattoo of Teddy Roosevelt
Speaker 10: on my on my left arm.
Speaker 8: I think.
Speaker 10: The people who go do the deeds, who actually do
Speaker 10: the things and show up and aren't afraid to fail.
Speaker 1: So like the arena is what you're talking about, man
Speaker 1: in the arena.
Speaker 10: Yeah, So every I come back to that every time
Speaker 10: I hear some failed New York some got some author
Speaker 10: or writer in New York that writes something derogatory about
Speaker 10: my album when he had a failed band and just
Speaker 10: the only way he found a job was to write
Speaker 10: and you know.
Speaker 8: Critique other people's music. I go back to that.
Speaker 10: Speech to the man in the arena, to Teddy, but
Speaker 10: I wasn't afraid to fail, and that's that's the thing.
Speaker 8: I just you have to.
Speaker 10: I think perseverance is the most extraordinary thing that we
Speaker 10: can possibly have, because if you're willing to put in
Speaker 10: the work and grind and hustle and in an artist,
Speaker 10: talent comes pretty cheap.
Speaker 8: You can find talent to people all day long.
Speaker 10: But the people that have the grit to persevere and
Speaker 10: fucking get out and grind and like get on the
Speaker 10: horse and hear a thousand people tell them that you
Speaker 10: can't do this and don't give a shit and just
Speaker 10: do it anyway, and just fucking keep going, keep going,
Speaker 10: keep going, because you don't start great.
Speaker 8: You start where you are and you work.
Speaker 10: On it, and the more hours you do it, the
Speaker 10: more great you become, and the more hours like so,
Speaker 10: I think that that resilience for me and getting to
Speaker 10: I didn't know where I was going.
Speaker 8: I just knew I wasn't gonna stop.
Speaker 3: But when you're creating, it could be then or now
Speaker 3: versus when you want it to be exactly right, you're
Speaker 3: not going to put where does that fall? At some
Speaker 3: point you've got to have a point where I'm just
Speaker 3: I just got to put it down and stop spending
Speaker 3: all this time worrying if it's perfect, or the other
Speaker 3: way where it's like, man, I am not putting anything
Speaker 3: out until it's exactly right.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I've said on lyrics to songs like Goodbye in
Speaker 10: Our Eyes as an example, we have a song. It
Speaker 10: took ten years to find the bridge for that song
Speaker 10: because I knew it was great, but I wouldn't compromise
Speaker 10: and just put some lines in that rhyme.
Speaker 8: So if you.
Speaker 10: If you like the people that you're writing with and
Speaker 10: you're creating with, which is a big thing for me
Speaker 10: now I've just started writing with this guy in the
Speaker 10: last year that I just love in every two or
Speaker 10: three hours, another great song pops out, And so when
Speaker 10: you can find the energy and synergy around that, when
Speaker 10: you don't, I just thought it for ten years, though,
Speaker 10: have you had it, you'd have the bridge. I had it,
Speaker 10: but I knew that I didn't have it yet. It
Speaker 10: just wasn't there. But I hear songs on the radio
Speaker 10: all the time that I'm like, they're just making that
Speaker 10: shit rhyme, Like if you care about every line of
Speaker 10: the song, if a song is your baby, it's like
Speaker 10: the to me, songwriting is like the last like real
Speaker 10: American form of poetry and trying to you know, and
Speaker 10: some songs are are this poetic, amazing thing that's like,
Speaker 10: you know, based on family or relationships or whatever. Some
Speaker 10: of them you right to just be absurd and to
Speaker 10: have fun. So it depends on what you're going for.
Speaker 10: But if you're looking, if you're looking for that poetry
Speaker 10: and you're seeking it out and you're trying to find
Speaker 10: the best line, I mean the genius in songs for me,
Speaker 10: like simple songs like Willie Nelson was a genius songwriter
Speaker 10: because he could say something so simple and you could
Speaker 10: any layman person could listen to it and go, that's great.
Speaker 10: But if you listen to how perfectly simple that it was,
Speaker 10: there's genius in how you do that, like boiling it
Speaker 10: down to something so simple.
Speaker 2: The Bobby Cast will be right back. Welcome back to
Speaker 2: the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 3: We've made it to the number one Bobby Cast of
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four according to your likes and your interactions
Speaker 3: and your engagement, and it is Riley Green from episode
Speaker 3: four thirty eight, one of the most downloaded, one of
Speaker 3: the most streamed of all of our episodes from the
Speaker 3: year Everybody Loves Him but we talked about creativity, We
Speaker 3: talked about him hunting, we talked about him almost not
Speaker 3: recording the song I Wish Grandpa's Never died. In this clip,
Speaker 3: he shares what makes him nervous about his career again.
Speaker 3: You can listen to the whole episode. It's four thirty eight,
Speaker 3: but here's our number one. It's Riley Green. If I
Speaker 3: were to ask your coach from back then today, if
Speaker 3: I were to see him, like, what kind of work
Speaker 3: ethic did Riley have?
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 11: I think that I was always very mindful that I
Speaker 11: wasn't the best. So I think maybe because of that,
Speaker 11: I tried to outwork people in some ways. I think
Speaker 11: that that definitely carried over into my music career, is
Speaker 11: being very mindful that there were things that I wasn't
Speaker 11: as good as other people at, but.
Speaker 5: I was always.
Speaker 11: I was always very I had a lot in my
Speaker 11: head about what other people thought, being like my dad
Speaker 11: or my grandparents or whoever. It was coming to my
Speaker 11: games and growing up in a small town. I always say,
Speaker 11: you're very much abled accountable for how you do anything,
Speaker 11: how you treat people, how you drive down the street.
Speaker 11: You know, if you cut off somebody's grandmother. You're going
Speaker 11: to see their aunt and one Dixie and they're gonna
Speaker 11: you know, so like that. To me, the small town
Speaker 11: made me want to be a hard worker in sports
Speaker 11: and in writing music and you know, building houses for
Speaker 11: a living. That's how you get work as your reputation,
Speaker 11: you know. I think that that's where I got a
Speaker 11: lot of that.
Speaker 3: Do you get any sort of flak for how old
Speaker 3: are you know, thirty five or six? I got married
Speaker 3: a couple of years ago, but I was thirty nine
Speaker 3: when I got married, and everybody back home was like,
Speaker 3: you're broken or gay because you're not married? Is everybody
Speaker 3: where I was from was you got married at nineteen twenty?
Speaker 1: I mean not you.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, everybody's parents and yeah, they were convinced
Speaker 3: the thing that I was off, like like it intellectually
Speaker 3: or that I just they were like, it's okay if
Speaker 3: you're gay.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like gay, and if I was, I
Speaker 1: would tell you.
Speaker 5: But I've been called a lot of things.
Speaker 1: But it's like I was thirty nine and you're thirty five.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that now it's probably it.
Speaker 11: At least everybody that knows me personally has seen what
Speaker 11: my lifestyle is like in the sense of how much
Speaker 11: I'm gone.
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't have regular relationships with my.
Speaker 1: Friends, But what about it at home?
Speaker 3: Are they like Riley, well, you know, well you're not married,
Speaker 3: because at home they don't see probably what your travel life.
Speaker 1: My mom didn't sue my travel life was.
Speaker 5: Like, yeah my mom. My mom has my calendar.
Speaker 11: Oh yeah, my mom has been really great about that.
Speaker 11: It's like maybe early on, I'm sure she had a
Speaker 11: little bit of that and was worried about me.
Speaker 5: You know, finding somebody whatever.
Speaker 11: But now I think she just knows that this is
Speaker 11: such a timely point in my career. I've obviously been
Speaker 11: very blessed and I have accomplished things I never thought
Speaker 11: I would, But there's also a lot of.
Speaker 5: Opportunity that comes with that.
Speaker 11: And I just kind of had in my head when
Speaker 11: I was going to sign a record deal to just
Speaker 11: put my nose down and grind it out and do
Speaker 11: everything they asked me to do anything I could for
Speaker 11: a couple of years, which that stretched into five now.
Speaker 11: But I think they get that, and I don't see
Speaker 11: a lot of pressure. I think that my lifestyle is
Speaker 11: going to have to change to where I go from
Speaker 11: playing you know, one hundred and twenty shows a year
Speaker 11: to sixty.
Speaker 1: But what's going to make that happen?
Speaker 6: Though?
Speaker 1: Oh, what's what's a fact?
Speaker 11: That's a great question because I because it's you know,
Speaker 11: as you well know, it's up to me.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 5: I mean I could turn down anything I want to. Uh,
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 11: I hope it's just something clicks and we get to
Speaker 11: a place where I can say, this is the budget
Speaker 11: for the year, this.
Speaker 5: Is how many shows we can go do it.
Speaker 11: I'm happy with making this much and this is the
Speaker 11: career I'm going to have from this.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 11: And maybe that's from you know, a lot of opportunities
Speaker 11: not being available that are right now. I don't know,
Speaker 11: it's it's a probably one of the more scary things
Speaker 11: about it is knowing that with this type of travel
Speaker 11: schedule and lifestyle, I don't really have much chance of
Speaker 11: beating somebody, and how much things are gonna have to
Speaker 11: slow down for me to get to that place.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: It's also a momentum based industry very much.
Speaker 11: It's such a battle to stay relevant right probably now
Speaker 11: more than ever because of all the avenues of new
Speaker 11: music and a new artists discovery or whatever that is.
Speaker 3: So it feels like if you let up up by
Speaker 3: letting something else in, regardless of what it is, if
Speaker 3: it's you want to go away for three months to hunt,
Speaker 3: or if you want to have a serious relationship, Like
Speaker 3: He's like, well, if I have dedicated this is the
Speaker 3: struggle that I went through. If I dedicate my time
Speaker 3: to this, then this is going to suffer. And so
Speaker 3: I was never going to get married just I was
Speaker 3: just like, you know what, I'm never gonna have time
Speaker 3: for it because I also I feel like I am
Speaker 3: I have a huge imposter syndrome, and like, if I
Speaker 3: don't keep going, I'm never going to get back to
Speaker 3: this level. And then I met my wife and it
Speaker 3: was like she kind of boss me out of it,
Speaker 3: and for the first time ever, I let her because
Speaker 3: I was happy that I met a person that as
Speaker 3: much as I was annoyed by it, I was more
Speaker 3: annoyed by the fact that maybe she wouldn't be there.
Speaker 3: And it was the only time and I dated, But
Speaker 3: I mean it was you know, I'd had my move
Speaker 3: to Nashville. Holy crap, I never got girls, and I
Speaker 3: got all the girls at once. That it was so
Speaker 3: it was wild, and then it was but this is weird.
Speaker 3: And then I was like, I'm never getting married.
Speaker 1: Who cares?
Speaker 3: And then I met my wife and I was like, man,
Speaker 3: I really don't want to slow down. But worse than that,
Speaker 3: I don't want to like lose her. That's whomever I
Speaker 3: don't even know. You're you're you never married, right, never married? No,
Speaker 3: you're not gonna ever go. I only want to make
Speaker 3: this much money this year.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I just uh, you know, it's a really funny
Speaker 11: thing to say, probably to my buddies back home from
Speaker 11: the outside looking in, because they're like, oh, man, rather
Speaker 11: meet some but where do you really meet a girl at?
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, where do you get to invest
Speaker 1: time in a human exactly?
Speaker 6: Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 11: And and you know, social media is probably whereas some
Speaker 11: people would use that to meet people, it's the opposite
Speaker 11: for me because how do you really use that, you know,
Speaker 11: with what I do for a living. So it's it's
Speaker 11: an interesting thing. Like I said, I've uh, I mean.
Speaker 1: I used it, but it wasn't for good Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: I used it, but it.
Speaker 11: Wasn't for meeting somebody to marry, right, It wasn't like
Speaker 11: long term investing. The girls I've met on Instagram probably
Speaker 11: watched wrestling, and their mom probably let them watch wrestling,
Speaker 11: so it would never work, or they were wrestlers. Uh,
Speaker 11: but no, I've I've had a couple of years we've said, man,
Speaker 11: let's take off November and and and let me, you know,
Speaker 11: go hunt, just kind of disconnect and write whatever. And
Speaker 11: we've never taken one off. So it'll it'll it'll be that.
Speaker 11: I think that I've I've guaranteed myself a career that's.
Speaker 5: More than I've ever thought I would have.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 11: But at the same time, there's just so much opportunity,
Speaker 11: and I think the only thing that makes me nervous
Speaker 11: about my career is not making the absolute most of it,
Speaker 11: you know, not getting every opportunity that I can.
Speaker 3: And but you're never gonna get every opportunity can You're
Speaker 3: never gonna be able to get to every opportunity I
Speaker 3: had to. I don't know if you if you go
Speaker 3: to therapy at all, but god, dang, I thought this
Speaker 3: was I know that's.
Speaker 1: What I think. It's probably what this is. They because I.
Speaker 3: Go to like I have, we go to a couple's
Speaker 3: counselor and I go to my own and he was like,
Speaker 3: because I was, I would say that. And I'm a
Speaker 3: little older than you, so I would be like, if
Speaker 3: I don't take advantage of everything, and he's like, you'll
Speaker 3: never be able to take advantage of everything, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: You're you're running on a hamster wheel that you can
Speaker 3: never get to go fast enough to actually matter.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think that it's little bit of an overthinking
Speaker 11: type thing. I will say, I'm mindful that there's nothing
Speaker 11: that I feel like I'm gonna miss if that makes sense, Like,
Speaker 11: if my career panned out right now and it is
Speaker 11: what it is, I can go play shows for the
Speaker 11: next fifteen years. I would still be very excited about that.
Speaker 11: So it's not like I'm gonna be leaving something on
Speaker 11: the table. I just know there's an opportunity right now.
Speaker 11: And it's almost like, I'm sure you were the same way.
Speaker 11: When I'm sitting around, I'm thinking, man, what could I
Speaker 11: be doing nothing?
Speaker 5: That's pretty tough to explain to a girl.
Speaker 11: Let's say you've gone on a couple of days with
Speaker 11: and she wants to know why you have a day
Speaker 11: off and you want to go right or you want
Speaker 11: to go do this or that, you know, and for
Speaker 11: me it was hunting. That was a really hard thing
Speaker 11: to explain, Like why would you want to go sit
Speaker 11: in the woods by yourself after being on the road
Speaker 11: for eighty days this year And I haven't found the
Speaker 11: answer to that.
Speaker 3: You'll get kicked in the nights by a girl and
Speaker 3: she won't care that much about you, and it'll it'll
Speaker 3: like maybe two kicks on the nights.
Speaker 11: And then so my grandmother, little Jeane tells me all
Speaker 11: the time, I'll meet a girl that will care less.
Speaker 1: Than me, and I never believed it.
Speaker 3: I was like, this is old old wives tell if
Speaker 3: you stop trying, then you'll find it.
Speaker 1: And I was like, that's whatever. I'm just never gonna
Speaker 1: get married. I'm gona work. I'm be king dingling to work,
Speaker 1: and it's it happened.
Speaker 3: And I still am like, really, so that's what that's
Speaker 3: what i'm'd be And now I'm gonna laugh too.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be awesome.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 11: Well, I mean to your point, I think maybe if
Speaker 11: you met somebody in your early twenties or me, I
Speaker 11: wouldn't be where I am.
Speaker 3: So absolutely if i'd have knocked up some check at
Speaker 3: twenty three years old, some random and trust me, don't
Speaker 3: go and a sext me anyway.
Speaker 1: So it didn't happen like twice. But and I don't
Speaker 1: mean almost knocking someone up. I mean anybody having.
Speaker 8: Sex with me.
Speaker 3: But it'd all been different, Everything would have all been different.
Speaker 3: And so I'm glad I was a complete loser. You
Speaker 3: don't have to agree with that because you weren't.
Speaker 5: That's okay.
Speaker 3: You're cool, you're a big athlete, you play guitar with
Speaker 3: the grand grandpa.
Speaker 1: That's cool.
Speaker 5: A lot how many kids aren't either, So that's what
Speaker 5: I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But I'm going through an agree there.
Speaker 3: I'm going through the kids thing now that you're going
Speaker 3: through with the relationship part, where it's like I don't
Speaker 3: and with kids, I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, if I have a kid, I can't, I can't.
Speaker 1: I gotta get off the road. I can't go shoot
Speaker 1: my sports show. I can't go. But it's the same
Speaker 1: cycle over and over.
Speaker 11: A kiss thing, which is is probably a backer's way
Speaker 11: to think about it, because you should probably look at
Speaker 11: the girl the same way as the kid. But I
Speaker 11: wouldn't want to have a kid right now. I mean
Speaker 11: not that I don't want children. It's just that I
Speaker 11: know how gone I'm gonna have to tell Abs and
Speaker 11: I would have to be and you know, I mean,
Speaker 11: I would want to be able to have awhat normal.
Speaker 1: Never gonna happen, you know, with you? But what's normal?
Speaker 1: There's no normal? And there you have it.
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