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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen. We are experiencing technical difficulties.

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Speaker 2: This is the Bobby Cast.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the ten Best Bobby Cast of twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty four. We're doing the top five this week. If

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Speaker 3: you missed the first part, I counted ten to six.

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Speaker 3: One of them was stone Cold Steve Boston. Go back

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Speaker 3: and listen to that. Let's kick it off with number

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Speaker 3: five now, it's Co Wetzel from episode four forty eight.

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Speaker 3: I was not sure how much we'd have in common,

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Speaker 3: because you know, we like to drink and get in

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Speaker 3: fights and I don't like either one of those things.

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Speaker 1: But we did. We hit it off. Really liked the guy,

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Speaker 1: cool guy.

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Speaker 3: I've seen him out now in real life and this

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Speaker 3: is a number five unexpected for me. Here's Co Wetzel

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Speaker 3: from the Best Bobby Cast of the year.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel that your lyrics are so raw and real?

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Speaker 3: And I'm gonna talk out this question after I say

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Speaker 3: it to you that sometimes you don't even relate to

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Speaker 3: it more because in a different part of your life,

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Speaker 3: your raw and real lyrics were.

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Speaker 1: True to you then.

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Speaker 3: But you've gotten older a bit, You've learned things where

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Speaker 3: you can listen back to be like, man, that's so

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Speaker 3: raw and real, but I don't even relate to that anymore.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well it's kind of like the February twenty eighth

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Speaker 4: and stuff, and that's became just blown out of proportion,

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Speaker 4: you know, stuff like that. But I mean, I wrote

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Speaker 4: that song whenever I was twenty two, twenty three years old,

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Speaker 4: and now that I'm thirty one, looking back at it,

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Speaker 4: it's like every night it's like, damn, we gonna sing

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Speaker 4: this song again. But people come to the show for

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Speaker 4: that song, you know, a lot of people come just

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Speaker 4: to hear that song. So, but songs like that, you know,

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Speaker 4: it's Yeah, I've grown up a little bit, and I've

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Speaker 4: gotten a little bit wiser, i'd say, And the songs

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Speaker 4: that I wrote in college and how I was living

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Speaker 4: my life back then are completely different than how I'm

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Speaker 4: living my life now.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, absolutely, like it's i don't know.

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Speaker 3: Still raw and real and true to who that was.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely got to be a little weirdo to sing stuff

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Speaker 3: that you don't feel absolutely anymore.

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Speaker 1: It is you your new record, though? What is it?

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Speaker 5: When?

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Speaker 1: Tell me about that? So, what's what's that? And how

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Speaker 1: has that changed?

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Speaker 4: It's getting into more relationship like more raw and rail

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Speaker 4: about relationships and and uh just life as you know,

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Speaker 4: pretty much from what I just said, from growing up

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Speaker 4: and in the scene and doing that kind of stuff

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Speaker 4: and and uh making that type of music to now

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Speaker 4: what I'm making, you know, and how my life has

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Speaker 4: changed from that.

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Speaker 3: Any of these songs where they borderline, I don't know

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Speaker 3: if I want to share that much.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if I feel like saying it right now.

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Speaker 3: Is there any of that where it's not you listen,

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Speaker 3: You're gonna say it if you feel it, but maybe

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Speaker 3: you're like, maybe the time isn't right now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we held back on all a little bit of it.

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Speaker 4: had wrote and it was like, we really want to

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Speaker 4: go there, and then we would record them, and then

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Speaker 4: we would come back to them like let's do them

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Speaker 4: for a couple of days, like maybe not, Let's let's

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Speaker 4: hold off on it and just see how everybody takes

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Speaker 4: this kind of newer sound that we're putting out.

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Speaker 1: And I think that makes you know, less raw and real.

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Speaker 3: But if there are other things that are so important

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Speaker 3: that you feel are the most important. Absolutely understand going

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Speaker 3: maybe it's a time to, you know, admit I love

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Speaker 3: the Pound puppies and have a fetish, you know, because

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Speaker 3: that would be what people would attach to and not

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Speaker 3: the body of work. And that's even pretty mature to

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Speaker 3: of people go like, oh man, we give it to

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Speaker 3: you straight, but you did give it straight.

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Speaker 1: But there's sometimes that you want the straight, but now

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Speaker 1: you're weird Jesus.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, what's the what's the weirdest thing about having money?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 6: Man, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Amazon, probably just get whatever you want quick. Yeah, pretty much.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know people will. I think

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Speaker 4: It's weird. That's a that's a good question as that before.

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Speaker 4: I paid my phone bill last last week, so I mean,

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Speaker 4: I don't have a ship ton of money, so I

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to play that game because I'm not

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Speaker 3: saying you're Bill Gates, but yeah, no, success now feels

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Speaker 3: to me.

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Speaker 1: It's at a level that you haven't had yet.

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Speaker 3: Your experience, and I went, I was a trailer park kid, right.

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Speaker 3: So when I started to make money is what I

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Speaker 3: didn't have anybody I could talk to about money. And

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Speaker 1: And then I didn't know what I was supposed to

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Speaker 3: So there were times where I was like, I don't

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Speaker 3: know what to do and it's a weird nobody feel

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Speaker 3: sorry for you.

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Speaker 1: Oh you got money now.

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Speaker 4: It's could to be able to take care of like

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Speaker 4: you no family members and stuff like that. You know,

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Speaker 4: Like I was talking last night with a publicist and

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Speaker 4: we were kind of just going over just older things

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Speaker 4: and we got talking about the house that I grew

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Speaker 4: was like, is that really is? Like yeah, And I

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Speaker 4: grew up that there was one hundred and acres. My

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Speaker 4: I'm being able to come in and buy the family

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Speaker 4: of land that's been in our name.

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Speaker 6: For over one hundred years.

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Speaker 1: That really really cool.

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Speaker 4: You know so uh yeah, I mean being able to

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Speaker 4: if anybody needs something, it's good to be able to,

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Speaker 4: you know, holler at the account and be like yo, yeah.

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Speaker 3: When people will ask me a similar question, we're like,

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Speaker 3: what's the first thing you did?

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Speaker 1: I bought my mama trailer and a few acres of land.

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Speaker 3: We didn't have that, and I wanted to like remove

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Speaker 3: that that fear of her losing it constantly. And for

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Speaker 3: that's like the it was like it almost doesn't matter

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Speaker 3: what else happens that and things could be having you

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Speaker 3: get ten planes, but still like that that moment yea relatively.

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Speaker 4: Everybody, that makes you feel better than damn there anything else.

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Speaker 4: You know that that's you're able to do that, you're

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Speaker 4: financially able to do that, and that people actually give

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Speaker 4: a shit and the and enough in your music and

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Speaker 4: stuff for you know, that's how you got that money.

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Speaker 3: You know. Do you ever feel a bit of imposter

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Speaker 3: syndrome where you're like, I'm really not as good sometimes

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Speaker 3: as people are, like like you're selling out.

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Speaker 4: The cod thing all the time, Like yeah, I'm a

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Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm so hard on myself about everything, Like.

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Speaker 3: Like, what specifically are you hard on yourself about? The

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Speaker 1: Well just a songwrite like songwriting.

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Speaker 4: Vocally everything, Like I'm a I'm a hard ass on myself. Like,

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Speaker 4: but I grew up like that. My dad was the

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Speaker 4: whenever you know, we talk, he's like, I was the

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Speaker 1: I have, you know, I mean boy named suit type

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Speaker 1: almost yeah, legit and uh and you know, I thank

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Speaker 4: And that's how already if I have a son or daughter,

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Speaker 4: so I'm gonna raise them, you know, I'm gonna love

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Speaker 4: for him. But at the same time, so I'm that

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Speaker 1: It's not all roses. I'm surprised. I like you really, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: damn you don't like nobody.

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Speaker 3: I mostly am indifferent. Yeah, there are people I just

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Speaker 3: I would probably like him. He's fine, And I didn't

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Speaker 3: think I would dislike you. But I didn't expect to

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Speaker 4: But that's the bad part, Like nobody really knows knows

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Speaker 3: I like, like I can just like look at you

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Speaker 3: aside from all the performance stuff, and even when you're

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Speaker 3: You ever write a song and cry because of what

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Speaker 6: No.

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Speaker 4: I got a music video back the other day though,

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Speaker 4: for a new song, and it made me cry.

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Speaker 1: It was it was crazy what triggered you?

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Speaker 3: Like what you don't have to say anything you don't

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Speaker 4: We shot the music video back in my hometown. It

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I started kind of yeah.

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Speaker 4: My buddy were sitting there watching TV, and he was like,

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Speaker 4: what the fuck's wrong, you know, And I was like, oh, bad, dude.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: This truly got me and and I sent it to

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Speaker 4: my folks and they were like, it kind of pulls

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Speaker 4: but I don't think I've ever wrote a song cried, sure,

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Speaker 3: At number four is Granger Smith from episode four fifty one.

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Speaker 3: Feels like it's basically an hour long therapy session and

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Speaker 3: him talking about some strong I'm talking about losing his sun.

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Speaker 3: I'm talking about why I decided to switch to ministry

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Speaker 3: and much more. I will give a trigger warning because

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Speaker 3: we did talk about a real life moment with some loss.

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Speaker 3: So just to heads up here and if you want

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Speaker 3: to hear the full episode again, it's episode four fifty one,

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Speaker 3: But here is Granger Smith at number four. When you

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Speaker 7: And it was realizing that I was under attack the

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Speaker 3: The fact that you can have that rational thought in

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Speaker 7: Is the only reason I'm sitting in this chair right now.

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Speaker 7: I don't give myself credit for that because I know this.

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Speaker 3: I yeah to I would be extremely grateful, and you are,

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Speaker 3: I don't know how you got a clear thought in

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Speaker 7: You can't be the same person after a night like that.

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Speaker 2: Hang tight, The Bobby Cast will be right back. Wow,

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Speaker 2: and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

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Speaker 3: And number three it's Darius Rucker back from episode four

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Speaker 3: fifty four. I can relate to Darius in many ways

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Speaker 3: more than I even knew I could. I want you

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 3: He talked about why he wants to be an amazing

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Speaker 3: Darius Rutger is at number three. Did you ever get

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Speaker 3: the stage of as you're writing it, like, man, I'm

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Speaker 3: I mean I went through all Yeah, that's like I was,

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Speaker 9: And then you know, you're you're worried about some of

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Speaker 9: And then you put it in there? And you're like,

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Speaker 5: So you're, yeah, that's oh my goodness.

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Speaker 3: So you're you're at the stage now where people and

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Speaker 3: little bit of money and she was like, if you

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00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,000
Speaker 3: don't give me money, I love my mom, so I'm

443
00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:46,440
Speaker 3: gonna say that.

444
00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,359
Speaker 1: But there was a where she was like, I'm gonna

445
00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:49,400
Speaker 1: do porn.

446
00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,960
Speaker 3: And that was really heavy and hard on me, but

447
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,919
Speaker 3: it was also it made me realize how awful it

448
00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,000
Speaker 3: was for her, and like I knew, but I didn't

449
00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,919
Speaker 3: really like yeah, but when she called and threatened me

450
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:03,640
Speaker 3: like I'm going to do porn if you don't send

451
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,320
Speaker 3: me money, I had that where I was like, I

452
00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:08,960
Speaker 3: don't know if I should put this in the book,

453
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,879
Speaker 3: but because of what I had to develop, because so

454
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,439
Speaker 3: I put it in with the context around it, and

455
00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,200
Speaker 3: I thought people are going to judge me, or people

456
00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,240
Speaker 3: are going But that's the thing when I would go

457
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,399
Speaker 3: do shows that people would be like, not the exact

458
00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,000
Speaker 3: same story, but very sick. That people would be like,

459
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:28,159
Speaker 3: That's what I related to the most. Yeah, And that

460
00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 3: was the part I felt that I was going to

461
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:31,960
Speaker 3: be the judge the most on was that.

462
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,800
Speaker 1: Type of stuff, the really personal stuff.

463
00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:36,800
Speaker 3: Absolutely so the fact that you have those feelings like

464
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:38,199
Speaker 3: I'm proud of you, because then that means you put

465
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:38,720
Speaker 3: it out there.

466
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,480
Speaker 9: Oh, I put it out there for sure. This is

467
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 9: one thing I talk about in the book where I

468
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 9: don't see my dad from the time I'm like thirteen

469
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:52,639
Speaker 9: or fourteen, twenty eight, fifteen years Nope, not a word.

470
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 6: Never saw his face. Do you know where it was, Yeah,

471
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 6: fifteen minutes from my house. You know, he lived right

472
00:21:58,560 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 6: up the road.

473
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 9: And never saw him fifteen years and then let him

474
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,240
Speaker 9: and hits and things that start getting crazy.

475
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 6: And we're playing.

476
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,439
Speaker 9: We're playing out a string of clubs and rooms that

477
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,240
Speaker 9: we had booked and uh so we're playing in Charleston

478
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 9: at the King Street Palace, which used to be Charleston

479
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 9: County Hall, and I'm having dinner after sound check and

480
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:20,120
Speaker 9: he walks in the room.

481
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:21,640
Speaker 1: Do you know it's him?

482
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,200
Speaker 9: Yeah, Dean. Dean knew it was him before I say anything,

483
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 9: like Diana, Yeah, Deana Bases. We're sitting there eating and

484
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 9: Dean looks up and goes, oh, I mean he just

485
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 9: looked at me. Oh that's gotta be your daddy. Looks

486
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 9: just like it's like it is. And he walks over

487
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 9: and he talks to me and acts like really, acts

488
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:42,199
Speaker 9: like you know. We saw each other yesterday, and I

489
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 9: decided I'm gonna be the bigger man. And I was like,

490
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 9: you know, cause really you have so many conflicting things.

491
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 9: I'm like, am I gonna just blow this golf? I'm

492
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 9: gonna tell him, what are you doing here? I haven't

493
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,159
Speaker 9: seen you in fifteen years? You know, get away? No,

494
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 9: I said, all right, I decided I was going to

495
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,679
Speaker 9: be the bigger man. Try to develop some kind of

496
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,920
Speaker 9: relationship with him. So we talked for a little while

497
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 9: and I give him my phone number. This before cell phones.

498
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 9: I give my phone number and go on the road

499
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 9: for a couple of days and I get back to

500
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 9: my house and I check my answer machine and he's

501
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 9: on my answer machine. And the first message he left

502
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 9: me in my whole life, I haven't talked to him

503
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 9: for fifteen years. He asked me for fifty thousand dollars.

504
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 9: It was shocking. I was like, are you kidding me?

505
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 9: And painful and expecting me to give it to him?

506
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, And here you are, hopefully investing yourself back into something.

507
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:30,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

508
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,439
Speaker 3: And the first that's I like, that hurt to my

509
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,360
Speaker 3: heart because that's just that's so painful.

510
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 6: And I can.

511
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,119
Speaker 3: Understand being mad and like I can't believe it, but

512
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 3: also big time because that's your freaking dad.

513
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 9: Yeah, and maybe and you know, and when he came,

514
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,880
Speaker 9: I'll never forget, like reading bread it back of course,

515
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 9: like we were talking about it hurts, you know, therapeutic,

516
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 9: and I'll never forget after him coming and us going

517
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 9: on the road, how I just felt like.

518
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,159
Speaker 6: Okay, cool, now, Dad and I we're going to have

519
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 6: a relationship.

520
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 9: We'll try to have some kind of salvage something for

521
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 9: father and son relationship out of this. And that was

522
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 9: the first thing he asked. He asked me, and I

523
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 9: don't think we've ever really had a conversation after that.

524
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 1: Is he still alive?

525
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 6: No, he died a few years ago.

526
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:08,439
Speaker 1: Did you go to the funeral?

527
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 6: I did? Sat in the back.

528
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 3: I often thought if I wonder if I could go

529
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 3: to my real dad's funeral. He you know, he left

530
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 3: when I was six or whatever.

531
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:18,959
Speaker 6: Sat in the back, didn't take my kids or anything.

532
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 1: Wow, and uh, what was that like for you?

533
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 6: It was amazing to me because.

534
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 9: I'm sitting in the back and all these people are

535
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 9: getting up and speaking and talking about how great this

536
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 9: guy is, and I'm going, well, he was great to

537
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 9: everybody else but me obviously, which is absolutely amazing.

538
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: Why do you think that he was estranged from you?

539
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 9: I think he had so many kids around town that

540
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 9: I was another headache. And I never complained, and my

541
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 9: mom never complained. So you're not complaining, you know, Oh

542
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 9: I don't really care.

543
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 1: Squeaky will.

544
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 9: Yeah, that Squeak was up, so I'm not gonna come.

545
00:24:58,640 --> 00:24:59,640
Speaker 9: See you're not complaining.

546
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:01,679
Speaker 1: It also sucks he was so close.

547
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 9: That's the thing that bothers me so much. I can't

548
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 9: imagine as a father. I can't imagine my kid living

549
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 9: five minutes fifteen minutes. For me, I literally lived fifteen

550
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 9: minutes from him and not seeing them for fifteen years.

551
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:14,640
Speaker 6: I can't imagine that.

552
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 3: You and I had a conversation and the last couple

553
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 3: of months or so, and I was talking about my

554
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 3: fears of being a father, and you were very upfront

555
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 3: and direct, and I was like, I'm scared be a

556
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 3: dad because I don't have a model.

557
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 8: My dad sucked.

558
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 1: I don't want to be that.

559
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 3: I feel like there could be that inside of me,

560
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 3: just because it was inside of him.

561
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 1: And you were like nope.

562
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 3: And then you used you as an example, which is

563
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 3: the best example, because it's not you going why this

564
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 3: guy didn't have a dad and now look at him?

565
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 1: But you were like nope, look at me. And you

566
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: talked about the love you have for your kids.

567
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:52,360
Speaker 8: Yeah, what is that?

568
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,120
Speaker 1: You can't explain a feeling, but explain a feeling.

569
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 9: I always say that my kids know where I am

570
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 9: twenty four hours a day, can get in touch me

571
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 9: twenty four hours of day. If my phone cell phone rings,

572
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 9: they don't get me, there's somebody in my camp that

573
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 9: will find me. And that is because of my whole life.

574
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 9: I never knew where he was and my love for

575
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 9: my kids. That's why I can't understand, you know, dads

576
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 9: like our dads. I just don't understand how you can

577
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 9: walk away from a kid like that. Because my love

578
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 9: for my kids, you know, unconditional, no matter what, I'm

579
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 9: going to be there for them and be supporting them.

580
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 9: And I mean I feel I think I feel stronger

581
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 9: because I didn't have a dad, because I didn't have this.

582
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 3: Because you came out on the other side with all

583
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 3: the tools in the strength. Yes, I bet you wouldn't

584
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 3: wish that on your on your on a kid, No.

585
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 9: Way, no way. I wouldn't wish, especially a male kid.

586
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 9: I wouldn't wish a female you know, female kid too.

587
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 9: But like a boy growing up without a dad.

588
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: How did you do son, male things without a dad

589
00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 1: there to teach you those things?

590
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 6: Well? Usually I didn't unless but I got lucky.

591
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 9: You.

592
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 6: I have.

593
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 9: Five guys who I grew up with, who I've known,

594
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 9: like four of them I've known since I was like

595
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 9: six months. We grew up in the same neighborhood, and

596
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 9: their dads were great to me. Like I told, I

597
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 9: told this great story. And it's another moment where I'm reading,

598
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 9: I'm reading, you know, doing the audiobook, and I get

599
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 9: choked up. And I'm telling the story about UH losing

600
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 9: the championship game in our ten year old football league,

601
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 9: and you know, it was a great season.

602
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:27,719
Speaker 6: We should have won it.

603
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 9: And the last, our last game, we're all sitting we lost,

604
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 9: and we're sitting there and everybody's upset, and the coach goes, well,

605
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 9: you know, we'll see you. We'll see everybody of the

606
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 9: week at our father son dinner and you know, I

607
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 9: couldn't say anything. I didn't want to say anything there,

608
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 9: but I'm thinking, you won't see me, you know. And

609
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 9: the day of that dinner, David David Campbell's my one

610
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 9: of my best friends name Squirt, one of my best

611
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 9: friends in the world, and his dad, I'm sitting just

612
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 9: sitting in my room doing nothing, you know, about thirty

613
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 9: minutes for the things supposed to start. I know I'm

614
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 9: not going. I haven't even really mentioned it to my mom.

615
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 9: And mister camber On he knew because he's a coach,

616
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 9: you know, on the on the park and Uh knock

617
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 9: at the door and I answered the door and he's

618
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 9: standing there in a suit and tie and he's like.

619
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 6: Let's go, Like, where are we going?

620
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 9: He's going we're going to dinner, you know, and he

621
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 9: took time away from his kids to take me to

622
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 9: that dinner.

623
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 6: And that's something I've never forgotten.

624
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like, uh making me cry here.

625
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 3: No, I'm feeling the same way too, because again, without

626
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 3: like my best friend's dad, I would have never gone

627
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 3: on a vacation. Yeah, Like there were a lot of

628
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 3: things that he didn't have to do, and I look

629
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 3: back and like, why would he do.

630
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 6: Why would he do that?

631
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 9: Like my other best friend, Rick Johanna is his dad.

632
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 9: My love of golf, you know, the you know the

633
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 9: real reason I went to college because he wasn't gonna

634
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 9: let me not go. And it was just those men

635
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 9: realized I didn't have a man in my life and

636
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 9: took it upon themselves.

637
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 6: To be that.

638
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: And number two is the lead singer of Zach band

639
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: Zack Brown. He stopped by.

640
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 3: I talked about playing bars for years, playing Chicken Fried

641
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 3: for ten years in a bar basically, and why it

642
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 3: took years and years and years to finish one of

643
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 3: their biggest songs. From episode four fifty six. Here is

644
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 3: Zack Brown at number two.

645
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 10: I think as a kid, just being super creative, like

646
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 10: I would make stuff in class out of you know,

647
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 10: construction paper and pipe cleaners and stuff. I'd make like

648
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 10: little weird grappling hooks and tear up the corner of

649
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 10: the carpet and make a rope for it, and like,

650
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 10: I don't know, I was always making things, So it's

651
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 10: natural as my progression. And I always love to see

652
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 10: anyone that's really amazing at doing something, somebody that's like

653
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 10: the leather worker that I have, rom Oonne, he's unbelievable.

654
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 10: So for Louis Vuitton for twenty years, he's when he

655
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 10: crafts something out of leather, it's like it's perfect, you know.

656
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 8: And finding people like.

657
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 10: That that are so good at what they do and

658
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 10: they have this level of passion that drives them to

659
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 10: be that kind of excellent, I wanted to like provide

660
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 10: a space for them to do what they do, just

661
00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 10: like what do you need? What tools do you need?

662
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 10: To do this on a bigger level, so we can

663
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Speaker 10: make things and sell them pay for your salary, but

664
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Speaker 10: also be able to make things very bespoke things for people,

665
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 10: or make things, you know, like my plane, the whole

666
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 10: interior my plane, ramone handmade every piece of the plane,

667
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 10: all the chairs, the panels, ceiling, the bathroom, every everything

668
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 10: in it. So I've always been really attracted to people

669
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 10: that are really amazing at something. And then what I'm

670
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,959
Speaker 10: at is being a pragmatic person and going, Okay, if

671
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 10: I just give this person every tool that they need

672
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,479
Speaker 10: in the space and freedom to do it, what can

673
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Speaker 10: they create?

674
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Speaker 3: Do you expect the same thing whenever it comes to

675
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 3: you and your music? You want them to give you

676
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 3: every resource to let you do your perfection?

677
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Speaker 8: Yeah? Absolutely, And my band is extraordinary.

678
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 3: I'm at like a record label or at whomever, because

679
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 3: you you know, they have to fund things. It's not

680
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 3: you know, there's reasons find with the label. Do you

681
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 3: expect them to give you the same liberty that you

682
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Speaker 3: give your creatives?

683
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Speaker 8: For sure?

684
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Speaker 10: And you know, I think if you're going to work

685
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 10: with the label, they have to trust you as the artist.

686
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 10: You know, I don't have A and R coming in

687
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 10: to tell me what kind of songs to write and

688
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 10: what it needs to sound like and be like.

689
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 8: And stuff like that. Like, I create what I create, and.

690
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 10: If they like it, then they're gonna you know, support it,

691
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 10: and they'll listen through everything that we made and say

692
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 10: this might be the best one for this and being

693
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 10: able to kind of trust your team with that. But

694
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 10: it's very important to me. I've been fanatically rebellious since

695
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 10: I was a child, to where I someone tries to

696
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 10: tell me what I should be, how I should act,

697
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 10: to what I should I didn't get a record deal

698
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 10: for ten years because people came in and we're like, Okay,

699
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 10: we're gonna get you a cowboy hat and some boots

700
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 10: and we're gonna put you up. And that was the

701
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 10: end of the conversation for me because I knew who

702
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 10: I was and I was brave enough to say that's

703
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 10: not who I am. And I remember one time we

704
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 10: were selling out like five six thousand seats at places

705
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 10: before we had a record deal. I mean we played

706
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 10: every night. I had to create a business model. So

707
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 10: I would go to bars, sports bars. They didn't have

708
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 10: a lot of music, and I'd say, I'm gonna play

709
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 10: here every Friday night. I'm gonna come set up and

710
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 10: all I want is the door, give me a tab,

711
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,719
Speaker 10: give me some food or whatever, you know, give me

712
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 10: a couple hundred bucks in a tab for me in

713
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 10: mist in Georgia, Georgia, Florida, and Alabama. So my first

714
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 10: ten years of touring, I did that, and I played

715
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 10: house gigs at the same place every the same night

716
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 10: of the week for ten years. But after a little

717
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 10: bit of time, on a Wednesday night at as Sidelines

718
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 10: in Kinnesau, we'd have three hundred people come in pay

719
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 10: a door charge, and I'd make, you know, twelve hundred

720
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 10: bucks at the door, and then they're stoked. Because if

721
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 10: I've owned restaurants too, so you lose your ass in

722
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 10: a restaurant Monday through Thursday, Friday Saturdays.

723
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Speaker 8: You make up for the rest of the whole week.

724
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 10: But making a business, making a night of business for

725
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 10: somebody on a Wednesday, that's like a Friday Saturday, is

726
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 10: like a gold mine.

727
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 8: That's that's but I would show up and play.

728
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 10: We'd play four hours a night, and we'd set up

729
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 10: I mean, at first it was six hours a night

730
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 10: we'd play, but we created a business model. And if

731
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 10: I had been in Nashville here trying to go hunt

732
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Speaker 10: a gig for sixty bucks a night, you know, hustling

733
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 10: like that. There's a lot of people, there's so many

734
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 10: incredible players and things around here, but it's so saturated

735
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 10: it there's not a business that we created a business model.

736
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 10: So we would play those places every single week and

737
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 10: we'd bring in tons of people, and that's how I

738
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 10: could test my songs that I was writing. I would

739
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 10: know I'd play it out like I was playing Chicken

740
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 10: Fried in bars for years before we put.

741
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 8: It on an album.

742
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 10: But I knew after playing that in front of three

743
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 10: hundred people a night on a Wednesday in a sports

744
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 10: bar that it would work. I could tell by the

745
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:30,719
Speaker 10: reaction of what the people were doing. So they were

746
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 10: the litmus test of like what's working and what's not.

747
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 10: So six nights a week for ten years, bro just

748
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 10: grinding my ass off, sleeping against the window of a truck,

749
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 10: you know, hired a dude to drive me and pull

750
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 10: my you know, covered trailer around with our shits on

751
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 10: sticks in it and our PA.

752
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 8: System and.

753
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 10: Doing that. So I didn't know how other people did it.

754
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 10: I didn't know there were rules or how it works

755
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 10: or anything like that. So it was always interesting to

756
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 10: me when I come to Nashville and the way people

757
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 10: write songs and I was writing just you know, late

758
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 10: at night, up after the shows that somebody's random living room,

759
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 10: you know. So I didn't know that people sit and

760
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 10: write like they'll take four sessions a day and come

761
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 10: in to write and do things. So I never knew

762
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 10: the way business should work or how it should work.

763
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 10: All I knew was I'm just playing and I was

764
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 10: cutting my teeth. And it gave me the best like resilience,

765
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 10: and it also gave me this incredible appreciation for every

766
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 10: single person. Sometimes the dude cleaning up the bar was

767
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 10: the only person that was listening to me. And so

768
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 10: my connection to people, to I don't know, this is

769
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 10: not a derogatory thing, but like to common people, being

770
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 10: out there with people. So I learned to love all

771
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 10: kinds of people of all different abilities because you never

772
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 10: know how. And I can still go in the back

773
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 10: in the kitchen and Dixie Tavern right now and see Fernando,

774
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 10: the guy that was always cooking in the back of

775
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 10: the kitchen, and give him a hug and hang out

776
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 10: with him because that was my family back then.

777
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think it's a derogatory term if you're

778
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 3: also one of them.

779
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 8: I am absolutely one of the people, and.

780
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 3: I don't think it. Man, what take this that if

781
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 3: you're like common people. But if it's like if I

782
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 3: were to call somebody hillbilly. That's okay. I come from

783
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 3: freaking Mountaine, Arkansas, so I can do that. But if

784
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 3: somebody from it's not a hillbilly for sure calls me hillbilly.

785
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: But you have this weird.

786
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 3: Stew of of perfectionist.

787
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: And creative.

788
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 3: Those don't often go together. What's what's the tug on that?

789
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 3: And who wins? Because again, the creative and the perfectionist

790
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 3: that doesn't mix well a lot of the times.

791
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 10: Man, you know, I got a tattoo of Teddy Roosevelt

792
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:27,760
Speaker 10: on my on my left arm.

793
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 8: I think.

794
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 10: The people who go do the deeds, who actually do

795
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 10: the things and show up and aren't afraid to fail.

796
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: So like the arena is what you're talking about, man

797
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: in the arena.

798
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 10: Yeah, So every I come back to that every time

799
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 10: I hear some failed New York some got some author

800
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 10: or writer in New York that writes something derogatory about

801
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 10: my album when he had a failed band and just

802
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,760
Speaker 10: the only way he found a job was to write

803
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 10: and you know.

804
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 8: Critique other people's music. I go back to that.

805
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 10: Speech to the man in the arena, to Teddy, but

806
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 10: I wasn't afraid to fail, and that's that's the thing.

807
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 8: I just you have to.

808
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 10: I think perseverance is the most extraordinary thing that we

809
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 10: can possibly have, because if you're willing to put in

810
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,280
Speaker 10: the work and grind and hustle and in an artist,

811
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 10: talent comes pretty cheap.

812
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 8: You can find talent to people all day long.

813
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 10: But the people that have the grit to persevere and

814
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 10: fucking get out and grind and like get on the

815
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 10: horse and hear a thousand people tell them that you

816
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 10: can't do this and don't give a shit and just

817
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 10: do it anyway, and just fucking keep going, keep going,

818
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 10: keep going, because you don't start great.

819
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 8: You start where you are and you work.

820
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 10: On it, and the more hours you do it, the

821
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 10: more great you become, and the more hours like so,

822
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 10: I think that that resilience for me and getting to

823
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 10: I didn't know where I was going.

824
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 8: I just knew I wasn't gonna stop.

825
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 3: But when you're creating, it could be then or now

826
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 3: versus when you want it to be exactly right, you're

827
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 3: not going to put where does that fall? At some

828
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 3: point you've got to have a point where I'm just

829
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 3: I just got to put it down and stop spending

830
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 3: all this time worrying if it's perfect, or the other

831
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 3: way where it's like, man, I am not putting anything

832
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 3: out until it's exactly right.

833
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 10: Yeah, I've said on lyrics to songs like Goodbye in

834
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 10: Our Eyes as an example, we have a song. It

835
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 10: took ten years to find the bridge for that song

836
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 10: because I knew it was great, but I wouldn't compromise

837
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 10: and just put some lines in that rhyme.

838
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 8: So if you.

839
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 10: If you like the people that you're writing with and

840
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 10: you're creating with, which is a big thing for me

841
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 10: now I've just started writing with this guy in the

842
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 10: last year that I just love in every two or

843
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 10: three hours, another great song pops out, And so when

844
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 10: you can find the energy and synergy around that, when

845
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 10: you don't, I just thought it for ten years, though,

846
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 10: have you had it, you'd have the bridge. I had it,

847
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 10: but I knew that I didn't have it yet. It

848
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 10: just wasn't there. But I hear songs on the radio

849
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 10: all the time that I'm like, they're just making that

850
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 10: shit rhyme, Like if you care about every line of

851
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 10: the song, if a song is your baby, it's like

852
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 10: the to me, songwriting is like the last like real

853
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 10: American form of poetry and trying to you know, and

854
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 10: some songs are are this poetic, amazing thing that's like,

855
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 10: you know, based on family or relationships or whatever. Some

856
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 10: of them you right to just be absurd and to

857
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:07,879
Speaker 10: have fun. So it depends on what you're going for.

858
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 10: But if you're looking, if you're looking for that poetry

859
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 10: and you're seeking it out and you're trying to find

860
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 10: the best line, I mean the genius in songs for me,

861
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 10: like simple songs like Willie Nelson was a genius songwriter

862
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 10: because he could say something so simple and you could

863
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 10: any layman person could listen to it and go, that's great.

864
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 10: But if you listen to how perfectly simple that it was,

865
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 10: there's genius in how you do that, like boiling it

866
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 10: down to something so simple.

867
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Speaker 2: The Bobby Cast will be right back. Welcome back to

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Speaker 2: the Bobby Cast.

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Speaker 3: We've made it to the number one Bobby Cast of

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty four according to your likes and your interactions

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Speaker 3: and your engagement, and it is Riley Green from episode

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Speaker 3: four thirty eight, one of the most downloaded, one of

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Speaker 3: the most streamed of all of our episodes from the

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Speaker 3: year Everybody Loves Him but we talked about creativity, We

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Speaker 3: talked about him hunting, we talked about him almost not

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Speaker 3: recording the song I Wish Grandpa's Never died. In this clip,

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Speaker 3: he shares what makes him nervous about his career again.

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Speaker 3: You can listen to the whole episode. It's four thirty eight,

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880
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 3: were to ask your coach from back then today, if

881
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 3: I were to see him, like, what kind of work

882
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 3: ethic did Riley have?

883
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 5: I don't know.

884
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 11: I think that I was always very mindful that I

885
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 11: wasn't the best. So I think maybe because of that,

886
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 11: I tried to outwork people in some ways. I think

887
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 11: that that definitely carried over into my music career, is

888
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 11: being very mindful that there were things that I wasn't

889
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 11: as good as other people at, but.

890
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 5: I was always.

891
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 11: I was always very I had a lot in my

892
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 11: head about what other people thought, being like my dad

893
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 11: or my grandparents or whoever. It was coming to my

894
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 11: games and growing up in a small town. I always say,

895
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 11: you're very much abled accountable for how you do anything,

896
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 11: how you treat people, how you drive down the street.

897
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 11: You know, if you cut off somebody's grandmother. You're going

898
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 11: to see their aunt and one Dixie and they're gonna

899
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 11: you know, so like that. To me, the small town

900
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 11: made me want to be a hard worker in sports

901
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 11: and in writing music and you know, building houses for

902
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 11: a living. That's how you get work as your reputation,

903
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 11: you know. I think that that's where I got a

904
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 11: lot of that.

905
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 3: Do you get any sort of flak for how old

906
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 3: are you know, thirty five or six? I got married

907
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 3: a couple of years ago, but I was thirty nine

908
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 3: when I got married, and everybody back home was like,

909
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 3: you're broken or gay because you're not married? Is everybody

910
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 3: where I was from was you got married at nineteen twenty?

911
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: I mean not you.

912
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, everybody's parents and yeah, they were convinced

913
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 3: the thing that I was off, like like it intellectually

914
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 3: or that I just they were like, it's okay if

915
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 3: you're gay.

916
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like gay, and if I was, I

917
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: would tell you.

918
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 5: But I've been called a lot of things.

919
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: But it's like I was thirty nine and you're thirty five.

920
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that now it's probably it.

921
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 11: At least everybody that knows me personally has seen what

922
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 11: my lifestyle is like in the sense of how much

923
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 11: I'm gone.

924
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't have regular relationships with my.

925
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 1: Friends, But what about it at home?

926
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 3: Are they like Riley, well, you know, well you're not married,

927
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 3: because at home they don't see probably what your travel life.

928
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: My mom didn't sue my travel life was.

929
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 5: Like, yeah my mom. My mom has my calendar.

930
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 11: Oh yeah, my mom has been really great about that.

931
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 11: It's like maybe early on, I'm sure she had a

932
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 11: little bit of that and was worried about me.

933
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 5: You know, finding somebody whatever.

934
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 11: But now I think she just knows that this is

935
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 11: such a timely point in my career. I've obviously been

936
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 11: very blessed and I have accomplished things I never thought

937
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 11: I would, But there's also a lot of.

938
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 5: Opportunity that comes with that.

939
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 11: And I just kind of had in my head when

940
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 11: I was going to sign a record deal to just

941
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 11: put my nose down and grind it out and do

942
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 11: everything they asked me to do anything I could for

943
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 11: a couple of years, which that stretched into five now.

944
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 11: But I think they get that, and I don't see

945
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 11: a lot of pressure. I think that my lifestyle is

946
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 11: going to have to change to where I go from

947
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 11: playing you know, one hundred and twenty shows a year

948
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 11: to sixty.

949
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: But what's going to make that happen?

950
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 6: Though?

951
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 1: Oh, what's what's a fact?

952
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 11: That's a great question because I because it's you know,

953
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 11: as you well know, it's up to me.

954
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: Yep.

955
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 5: I mean I could turn down anything I want to. Uh,

956
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 5: I don't know.

957
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 11: I hope it's just something clicks and we get to

958
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 11: a place where I can say, this is the budget

959
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 11: for the year, this.

960
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 5: Is how many shows we can go do it.

961
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 11: I'm happy with making this much and this is the

962
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 11: career I'm going to have from this.

963
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 2: Uh.

964
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 11: And maybe that's from you know, a lot of opportunities

965
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 11: not being available that are right now. I don't know,

966
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 11: it's it's a probably one of the more scary things

967
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 11: about it is knowing that with this type of travel

968
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 11: schedule and lifestyle, I don't really have much chance of

969
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 11: beating somebody, and how much things are gonna have to

970
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 11: slow down for me to get to that place.

971
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 6: You know.

972
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: It's also a momentum based industry very much.

973
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 11: It's such a battle to stay relevant right probably now

974
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 11: more than ever because of all the avenues of new

975
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 11: music and a new artists discovery or whatever that is.

976
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 3: So it feels like if you let up up by

977
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 3: letting something else in, regardless of what it is, if

978
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 3: it's you want to go away for three months to hunt,

979
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 3: or if you want to have a serious relationship, Like

980
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 3: He's like, well, if I have dedicated this is the

981
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 3: struggle that I went through. If I dedicate my time

982
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 3: to this, then this is going to suffer. And so

983
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 3: I was never going to get married just I was

984
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 3: just like, you know what, I'm never gonna have time

985
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 3: for it because I also I feel like I am

986
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 3: I have a huge imposter syndrome, and like, if I

987
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 3: don't keep going, I'm never going to get back to

988
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 3: this level. And then I met my wife and it

989
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 3: was like she kind of boss me out of it,

990
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,439
Speaker 3: and for the first time ever, I let her because

991
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 3: I was happy that I met a person that as

992
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 3: much as I was annoyed by it, I was more

993
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 3: annoyed by the fact that maybe she wouldn't be there.

994
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 3: And it was the only time and I dated, But

995
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 3: I mean it was you know, I'd had my move

996
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 3: to Nashville. Holy crap, I never got girls, and I

997
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 3: got all the girls at once. That it was so

998
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 3: it was wild, and then it was but this is weird.

999
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 3: And then I was like, I'm never getting married.

1000
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: Who cares?

1001
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 3: And then I met my wife and I was like, man,

1002
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 3: I really don't want to slow down. But worse than that,

1003
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 3: I don't want to like lose her. That's whomever I

1004
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 3: don't even know. You're you're you never married, right, never married? No,

1005
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 3: you're not gonna ever go. I only want to make

1006
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 3: this much money this year.

1007
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 11: Yeah, I just uh, you know, it's a really funny

1008
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 11: thing to say, probably to my buddies back home from

1009
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,399
Speaker 11: the outside looking in, because they're like, oh, man, rather

1010
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 11: meet some but where do you really meet a girl at?

1011
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:24,720
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, where do you get to invest

1012
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 1: time in a human exactly?

1013
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 6: Yeah? Yeah.

1014
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 11: And and you know, social media is probably whereas some

1015
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 11: people would use that to meet people, it's the opposite

1016
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 11: for me because how do you really use that, you know,

1017
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 11: with what I do for a living. So it's it's

1018
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 11: an interesting thing. Like I said, I've uh, I mean.

1019
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: I used it, but it wasn't for good Yeah, Like

1020
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:44,439
Speaker 1: I used it, but it.

1021
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 11: Wasn't for meeting somebody to marry, right, It wasn't like

1022
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 11: long term investing. The girls I've met on Instagram probably

1023
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 11: watched wrestling, and their mom probably let them watch wrestling,

1024
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 11: so it would never work, or they were wrestlers. Uh,

1025
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 11: but no, I've I've had a couple of years we've said, man,

1026
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 11: let's take off November and and and let me, you know,

1027
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 11: go hunt, just kind of disconnect and write whatever. And

1028
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 11: we've never taken one off. So it'll it'll it'll be that.

1029
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 11: I think that I've I've guaranteed myself a career that's.

1030
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 5: More than I've ever thought I would have.

1031
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 6: Uh.

1032
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 11: But at the same time, there's just so much opportunity,

1033
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 11: and I think the only thing that makes me nervous

1034
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 11: about my career is not making the absolute most of it,

1035
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 11: you know, not getting every opportunity that I can.

1036
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 3: And but you're never gonna get every opportunity can You're

1037
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 3: never gonna be able to get to every opportunity I

1038
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 3: had to. I don't know if you if you go

1039
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 3: to therapy at all, but god, dang, I thought this

1040
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 3: was I know that's.

1041
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: What I think. It's probably what this is. They because I.

1042
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 3: Go to like I have, we go to a couple's

1043
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 3: counselor and I go to my own and he was like,

1044
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 3: because I was, I would say that. And I'm a

1045
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 3: little older than you, so I would be like, if

1046
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 3: I don't take advantage of everything, and he's like, you'll

1047
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 3: never be able to take advantage of everything, it doesn't matter.

1048
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 3: You're you're running on a hamster wheel that you can

1049
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 3: never get to go fast enough to actually matter.

1050
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think that it's little bit of an overthinking

1051
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 11: type thing. I will say, I'm mindful that there's nothing

1052
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 11: that I feel like I'm gonna miss if that makes sense, Like,

1053
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 11: if my career panned out right now and it is

1054
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 11: what it is, I can go play shows for the

1055
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 11: next fifteen years. I would still be very excited about that.

1056
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 11: So it's not like I'm gonna be leaving something on

1057
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 11: the table. I just know there's an opportunity right now.

1058
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 11: And it's almost like, I'm sure you were the same way.

1059
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 11: When I'm sitting around, I'm thinking, man, what could I

1060
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,800
Speaker 11: be doing nothing?

1061
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,760
Speaker 5: That's pretty tough to explain to a girl.

1062
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 11: Let's say you've gone on a couple of days with

1063
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 11: and she wants to know why you have a day

1064
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 11: off and you want to go right or you want

1065
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 11: to go do this or that, you know, and for

1066
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 11: me it was hunting. That was a really hard thing

1067
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 11: to explain, Like why would you want to go sit

1068
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 11: in the woods by yourself after being on the road

1069
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 11: for eighty days this year And I haven't found the

1070
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 11: answer to that.

1071
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 3: You'll get kicked in the nights by a girl and

1072
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 3: she won't care that much about you, and it'll it'll

1073
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 3: like maybe two kicks on the nights.

1074
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 11: And then so my grandmother, little Jeane tells me all

1075
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 11: the time, I'll meet a girl that will care less.

1076
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: Than me, and I never believed it.

1077
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 3: I was like, this is old old wives tell if

1078
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 3: you stop trying, then you'll find it.

1079
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: And I was like, that's whatever. I'm just never gonna

1080
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: get married. I'm gona work. I'm be king dingling to work,

1081
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 1: and it's it happened.

1082
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 3: And I still am like, really, so that's what that's

1083
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 3: what i'm'd be And now I'm gonna laugh too.

1084
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: It's gonna be awesome.

1085
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1086
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 11: Well, I mean to your point, I think maybe if

1087
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 11: you met somebody in your early twenties or me, I

1088
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 11: wouldn't be where I am.

1089
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,359
Speaker 3: So absolutely if i'd have knocked up some check at

1090
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 3: twenty three years old, some random and trust me, don't

1091
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 3: go and a sext me anyway.

1092
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: So it didn't happen like twice. But and I don't

1093
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 1: mean almost knocking someone up. I mean anybody having.

1094
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 8: Sex with me.

1095
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 3: But it'd all been different, Everything would have all been different.

1096
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 3: And so I'm glad I was a complete loser. You

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Speaker 3: don't have to agree with that because you weren't.

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Speaker 5: That's okay.

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Speaker 3: You're cool, you're a big athlete, you play guitar with

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Speaker 3: the grand grandpa.

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Speaker 1: That's cool.

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Speaker 5: A lot how many kids aren't either, So that's what

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Speaker 5: I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: But I'm going through an agree there.

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Speaker 3: I'm going through the kids thing now that you're going

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Speaker 3: through with the relationship part, where it's like I don't

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Speaker 3: and with kids, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Like, if I have a kid, I can't, I can't.

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Speaker 1: I gotta get off the road. I can't go shoot

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Speaker 1: my sports show. I can't go. But it's the same

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Speaker 1: cycle over and over.

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Speaker 11: A kiss thing, which is is probably a backer's way

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Speaker 11: to think about it, because you should probably look at

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Speaker 11: the girl the same way as the kid. But I

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Speaker 11: wouldn't want to have a kid right now. I mean

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Speaker 11: not that I don't want children. It's just that I

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Speaker 11: know how gone I'm gonna have to tell Abs and

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Speaker 11: I would have to be and you know, I mean,

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Speaker 11: I would want to be able to have awhat normal.

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Speaker 1: Never gonna happen, you know, with you? But what's normal?

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Speaker 1: There's no normal? And there you have it.

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Speaker 3: The top ten Bobby Cast of twenty twenty four. Next

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Speaker 3: week a new episode and if there's anyone you would

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Speaker 3: like us to have on the show, just hit us

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Speaker 3: with the DM on Instagram at the Bobby Cast. Thanks,

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Speaker 3: have a happy new year. We'll see you guys in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.