1 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: Welcome into North Side Territory Foul Territory Networks Cubs podcast. 2 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 1: I'm Sadev Sharma with my partner Patrick Mooney. We are 3 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: your Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic. Patrick over 4 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 1: at the Athletic. Jason Stark, who knows the history of 5 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: the game about as well as anyone we've been around 6 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: in this business, obviously loves baseball and and and you know, 7 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: loves to dive into these things. He he started the 8 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: All quarter Century team for MLB. You know, I thought 9 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: that it was a fun, fun project to read about, 10 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: and and we decided to do a Cubs All quarter 11 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: Century team. I don't think any Cubs made that All 12 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: quarter century the MLB team, and are you know doing 13 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: this list? Something that stood out to me in the 14 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: process was this has been arguably the best quarter century 15 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: of Coast baseball. You know, ever, maybe the first quarter 16 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: century of the nineteen hundreds. 17 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 2: What's up there? 18 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm trying to think of like the equivalent of 19 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 3: a podcast, you know, in nineteen oh eight, you know, 20 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 3: what people were arguing about in the in the their 21 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 3: local taverns and whatnot. 22 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: The seventy five to two thousand would have been a 23 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: slog to do that. It would have been you know, 24 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: like four or five players that it's like, yeah, these 25 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: guys are great, and then the rest is like this 26 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: is really rough to go through. Fifty to seventy five 27 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: would have been very top heavy with a bunch of 28 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: Hall of famers. There are no obvious at least nothing 29 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: obvious on the list I created. There's no Hall of famers. 30 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: You know, we debate whether you want to change the 31 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: way you look at starting pitchers. That's a conversation for 32 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: another time. But what's kind of great about this list 33 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: is there's a ton of playoff teams in of course 34 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: the twenty sixteen team. 35 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 2: I gave the twenty sixteen team some. 36 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: Edge if I was if there was ever a toss 37 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: up or if I wanted to squeeze a player in, 38 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: I would do that. I thought it was important to 39 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: for this exercise that they get an edge. They did 40 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 1: what once seemed to possible one overall series. It was 41 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: it was fun to do. You know, It's not like 42 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: it was an impossible task. It felt kind of easy 43 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: at times, to be honest. 44 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 2: The first base I thought was easy. 45 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: Look, Dirk Lee gets a ton of love that two 46 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 1: thousand and five season. That was awesome. He was a stud. 47 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 1: Anthony Rizzo's the pick. I'm not going to overthink it. 48 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:01,399 Speaker 1: I don't know if you have wanted debate that, but yeah, 49 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 1: I mean I. 50 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 4: Think I once described as mister cub two point zero, 51 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 4: So I'm not going you know, you can't as much 52 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 4: like Derek Lee, total class act, a great player, well deserved. 53 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 5: Was it Cubs Hall of Fame now? 54 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 4: But you know, to your point, when you're bracketing out 55 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 4: these quarter centuries on baseball references, you know they're all 56 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 4: time twenty four players, a lot of black and white 57 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 4: photos in these head shots, very few players that we've 58 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 4: ever covered as players, and Anthony Rizzo sneaks. 59 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 5: In there at the end. 60 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 4: I'd imagine that might have been the easiest pick on 61 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 4: this whole exercise. Kind of a no, no doubt one. 62 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: Yeah for riz Yeah no, He's obviously a huge, you know, 63 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: emotional piece of the puzzle. Fans love him. You know, 64 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: there's there's some fun moments with him. I still think 65 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 1: my the most fun moment I remember was first full 66 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: It wasn't a great season. Twenty twenty one turned out 67 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: to be the dismantling of this twenty sixteen roster. But 68 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 1: that that full that first full capacity game where he 69 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: hit that home run to go ahead of the Cardinals, 70 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: that was that was fun. 71 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 2: That was fun. 72 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: It was like life came back to Wrigley finally. That 73 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 1: was really fun. Second base, this was probably the hardest one. Yeah, me, 74 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: But I managed to get the guys I picked. You know, 75 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: I didn't choose onto this list, but Nico Horner is 76 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 1: my pick. And just looking at the list, I start 77 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: I've started to wonder if I if I don't appreciate 78 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: the guy enough. He's an elite defender, and I was 79 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 1: thinking about while writing this. It's like almost once, if 80 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: not once a series, it's once a week that we're 81 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: seeing him save his pitcher with a great play that 82 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: saves and pitches, saves him, runs, saves a game. Whatever 83 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: it is. His glove is arguably underrated. We've seen We've 84 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: seen some really good defenders sound to great defenders at 85 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: second base over the past you know, decade and a half. 86 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: I'd say, whether it's Darwin, Barney, Javi or Bias ben 87 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 1: z OBErs, they're all very good second basement to great. 88 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:39,919 Speaker 1: Nico may be the best one. Defensively, he's he makes 89 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: these plays that I just didn't you know, I think 90 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 1: watching him every day and just kind of understanding, like 91 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: how good he's gotten. 92 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 2: He's not flashy like Hobby, but he makes so many plays. 93 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 2: He's so good defense, and it's just. 94 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: You know, he's not going to hit for power, so 95 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: he's not going to get a load of a lot 96 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: of love on offense. 97 00:05:58,080 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 2: But he's consistent. 98 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 1: He puts the ball in play, doesn't strikeout. You know, 99 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: he does hit the ball hard, he just doesn't drive 100 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 1: it a ton. He's an average, slightly above average offensive player, 101 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:11,799 Speaker 1: really good, really good ballplayer. 102 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 5: I would have gone with Ben Zobers on this one 103 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 5: just World Series MVP. 104 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 4: I realized his defense, and yeah, by the time he 105 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 4: got to the Cubs, he wasn't quite you know, Nico's 106 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:32,919 Speaker 4: level of defense. But I think what we're seeing with Nico, 107 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 4: I think he will be fully appreciated as this season 108 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 4: plays out. Like I would be kind of thinking of 109 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 4: him more towards Maybe he won't last another you know 110 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 4: how many more years into the next quarter century. But 111 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 4: to me, Nico is that perfect, complimentary player on a 112 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 4: great team. Maybe it's happening now I still would have 113 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 4: found Zoe. I would have put Zoe there to put 114 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 4: other players on, but we'll get to that later because 115 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:07,359 Speaker 4: you have a utility spot as well. 116 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, so short stop, I went, that was Hobby. 117 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 2: I didn't think about this much. 118 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: It just, you know, like you said about Nico, maybe 119 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: Dansby Swanson, if we're doing this exercise twenty five years 120 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: from now, makes a list. Dansby Swanson is an elite defender. 121 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: Hobby was an elite defender too, and Hobby is starting 122 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: to look like Hobby again, Detroit. 123 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 2: The highs with Hobby were so fun. 124 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: I think we just passed up that anniversary of the 125 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: crazy play in Pittsburgh. 126 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 2: That's that's remarkable. 127 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: There was a there was a point in time in 128 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: like eighteen, I want to say it was kind of 129 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: like how PCA is now, where it's like you can 130 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: never write too much about Hobby. Just just keep writing 131 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: the Hobby stories because that's what the fans want to read. 132 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: And it was kind of almost hard to describe, like 133 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: even as slides were were. 134 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 2: Fun to write about and describe that it was. 135 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: It was a fun era and it was exciting to 136 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: watch Hobby do his thing Elmago. You know that basically 137 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: sixteen to nineteen era of Hobby was about as as 138 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: fun as it gets. And he answered a lot of 139 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: questions because I think there were people that thought he 140 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: was too up and down to handle shortstop, he was 141 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: going to make too many errors. 142 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 2: But wood an arm what a what you know. 143 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: Just really really plus defender and just to you know, 144 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: when he was locked in on offense. Not many, not 145 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: many players had that type of power. 146 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's crazy you could have put him at 147 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 4: second base. He was a very good third baseman as well. 148 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 4: Obviously that falls under the utility umbrella. Just this idea 149 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 4: of kind of than twenty fifteen when they caught fire 150 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 4: of well, let's just play hobby wherever we think the 151 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 4: ball is going to be hit the most. It's cool 152 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 4: to see him rejuvenated in Detroit. The Cubs will be 153 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 4: going there soon. Just one of those players, not a 154 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 4: Hall of Famer, but just definitely one of the most unique, 155 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 4: dynamic players will ever cover and certainly is going to 156 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:36,199 Speaker 4: be on these type of lists for a long time. 157 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 1: All right, Patrick, let's take a quick break and then 158 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:41,559 Speaker 1: get to the rest of this list. 159 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 6: If you're a card collector or you'd like to get 160 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 6: into card collecting, May I suggest Arena Club and slab packs, 161 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 6: which means that you can rip the packs digitally and 162 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 6: of course get the card that you want. It's also 163 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 6: the most trusted name in the game. 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Slash foul and use code foul. 183 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: All right, Patrick, another easy one for me. 184 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 2: They're base. 185 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:55,559 Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year MVP World Series winner Chris Bryant 186 00:10:55,600 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 1: I wrote about how look, this guy Brian didn't isn't 187 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: having the career we expected, but his peak was as impressive. 188 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 1: He lived up to the hype almost immediately. We haven't 189 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: seen peaks like that very often. 190 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 2: Like that. 191 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: It was like this, four or five years of just 192 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: great performance. Injuries and consistency, whatever, it was kind of 193 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: caught up to him and he fell off there, but 194 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:29,719 Speaker 1: it was it was fun the fifteen sixteen seventeen especially 195 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: he edges out Aramis, who deserves a lot of love. 196 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 1: Aramis Ramirez of one of the more underrated players. 197 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 2: That we covered. 198 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: You know, we covered I think the end of his 199 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: cub's career and he was definitely definitely took probably too 200 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: much heat when he was a cub, but he was, 201 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: you know, he was a really good ballplayer and had 202 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 1: a knack for he didn't it was something I didn't 203 00:11:57,840 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: I don't think I realized. 204 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 2: Was he barely struck out. 205 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: The guy just put the ball in play, hit three hundred, 206 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: got on bas hit for power, really good ballplayer, but 207 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: Kb's the pick. 208 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 4: I would have gone with Aramis in that because of 209 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 4: that utility spot. How I would have done it as 210 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 4: I would have put Zobrist at second and just made 211 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 4: KB the utility guy, just because it seemed like that 212 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 4: was kind of his best or most valuable position when 213 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 4: Joe Madden could just move him around everywhere. I also 214 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,199 Speaker 4: just kind of felt like, if d lee is left off, 215 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 4: I think you got to put a spot for a Ramis, 216 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 4: just because if you. 217 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 5: Look at the. 218 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 4: Entire scope of this quarter century, like two thousand and three, 219 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:51,559 Speaker 4: the expectations, the drama. If for Ramas doesn't come here, 220 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 4: I don't know if it happens the same way, and 221 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 4: that raises all these expectations and Wrigley kind of finds 222 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,559 Speaker 4: obviously there's another person on this team who really made 223 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 4: wrigly the main, main attraction here. But like seven eight, 224 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 4: when Wriglelyville was just absolutely rocking, it was bonkers. I think, 225 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 4: you know, Ramis played a huge. 226 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 5: Role in that, and I you know he did take heat. 227 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 4: You know, his his body language, you know, he wasn't 228 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:28,319 Speaker 4: the most demonstrative player. 229 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 5: He was quiet. 230 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 4: Uh, he's intelligent, He sort of knew what he needed 231 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 4: to do. Like I personally kind of learned a lot 232 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 4: from that just by you know, interacting with him over 233 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 4: the years kind of observing what he did. Was like 234 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 4: everyone on a at the time, it was a twenty 235 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 4: five man roster, everyone can't be the same like everyone. 236 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 4: You know, you know, you can't go one hundred percent 237 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,599 Speaker 4: effort on every single play during a one hundred and 238 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 4: sixty two game season, and production is what matter. And 239 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 4: I think his production, he's you know, right there. And 240 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:09,719 Speaker 4: even even seeing how Kb's falling off a cliff and 241 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:13,839 Speaker 4: in Colorado kind of makes me, you know, rethink, Okay, 242 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 4: how like how did Ramas do this for so long? 243 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 4: And but yeah, I mean, I mean Chris Bryant, the 244 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 4: MVP of the Chicago Cubs team, he was the you know, 245 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 4: prime Bary third basement. 246 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: Obviously, I get it, I know, but I respect the 247 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: Ramas love. He deserves that love. Catcher, this one was 248 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: was easy for me. I know, Wilson took a lot 249 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: of heat as he left town for his ability to catch, 250 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: and and we're seeing he's not a catcher anymore. Look, 251 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: he wasn't a great framer, he wasn't a perfect game caller. 252 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 2: Uh, he could hit the crap out of the ball. 253 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 2: He still can. 254 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: Uh. He's he was on another level offensively. At times 255 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: he'd go on these heater that would just carry the team. 256 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: And I give him credit for the twenty sixteen season, 257 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: coming in in the middle of a season where all 258 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: this pressure is on and you have to catch these 259 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: veteran pitchers and learn how to do it, and you know, 260 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: he got through it. Yes, he took heat again for 261 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: that over the long haul during his time at the Cups, 262 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: but that twenty sixteen season was impressive. He came up there, 263 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: handled the pressure, delivered in big moments with his offense, 264 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: and handled a pitching staff that you know, had a 265 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: lot of pressure on it to win every game. Pretty much, 266 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: I felt like he's the pick over Soto, over Michael Barrett. 267 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: Those guys aren't. I didn't consider them, but I did 268 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: mention them because Soto was really good defensively and I'd 269 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: almost forgotten about it. 270 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 2: And Michael Barrett. 271 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: I looked at his offensive numbers, I was like, Man, 272 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: we hated on this guy a lot back. 273 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 8: In the day. 274 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: I think that's just because I was a kid in 275 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: my twenties and I just wanted to complain that this 276 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: guy wasn't hit every day, but he was a good 277 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: offensive catcher. You know, I don't know how good he. 278 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: I didn't analyze defense back then as much. 279 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 2: I don't know. 280 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: I didn't know much about it back then, so I 281 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: don't know if he was very good defensively. 282 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 2: And he's a part of it. 283 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: One of the best Cubs like, yeah, that any of 284 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: us have seed. 285 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, he lives on as long as the 286 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 4: Cubs play the White Sox, like he will live on 287 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 4: in that sense. 288 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, so too great start. 289 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 4: He put together a solid overall career obviously, just didn't 290 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 4: match those expectations. And final note on Wilson Contraz, I 291 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 4: believe he spent like of this quarter century. He spent 292 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 4: maybe fourteen years in the Cubs organization when you're including 293 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 4: his time minors. Just kind of an amazing story, even 294 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 4: if the ending was a little bit messy. I mean, 295 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 4: this is a guy whenever he shows up to Wrigley 296 00:16:57,600 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 4: feel for the rest of his life will be shower 297 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 4: or with cheers for his contributions to to ending the drought. 298 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 2: All right. 299 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: I had a utility spot, and I that's where I 300 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 1: put Soberest. Uh you know, biggest hit in Cubs history. 301 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: Great guy, great leader in that clubhouse. Quiet but but 302 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: you know when he spoke, it was it was a 303 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 1: big deal. Uh And and for our purposes, I really 304 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 1: enjoyed talking to him. 305 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 2: He yes, he taught me a lot about hitting, uh 306 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 2: and and just just the art of it. 307 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: And and one other point I made when mentioning Zobrist 308 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 1: was his absence was kind of the downfall of that 309 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: offensive corps because the league was changing. They high fastballs 310 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: and breaking balls away were the kryptonite of a lot 311 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 1: of that core is that they didn't they couldn't replace Sobrist. 312 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 1: They never replaced Obrist. If they had some diversity in 313 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: that lineup, who knows if things ended better, But it 314 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: was a big issue with that, with that offense, and 315 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 1: Zobrast that was never an issue for him, and it 316 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 1: kind of taught I think it taught me and probably 317 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: plenty of others breaking down that, like what is wrong 318 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: with this team? Oh, they're they're missing this type of player, 319 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: this Ben Zobras type of player. 320 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 2: Uh And we see more of those now. Nico Horner's 321 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 2: kind of. 322 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: That type, not maybe not as good of a hitter 323 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: as Zobras was certainly doesn't have the power that he 324 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 1: had at his peak, but you know, just that type 325 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: of coverage of the zone and the game's kind of 326 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 1: shifted back in that direction where not always the launch 327 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 1: angle is the focus. And ben Zobers types to have 328 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 1: value again, not that they lost value, but but they 329 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: have more of a space here and you're looking for 330 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 1: that that type of player. 331 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 4: Good good call untying Nico and Zobrist together because I 332 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 4: think two of the best people we've encountered in terms 333 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 4: of just explaining the game, of recognizing the importance of feel, 334 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 4: of understanding all the data that goes into the entire 335 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 4: strategy to put the bigger picture of an organization and 336 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 4: the city in perspective. Like those two guys, it's hard 337 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 4: to find just better explainers. It's hard to find two 338 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 4: more thoughtful players, just like you know, an all all 339 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 4: century interview team in our book. 340 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: This one may be recency bias for me hundred plus 341 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: field lt Field. I went with the unhaf his consistency 342 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 1: over the past whatever it's been since twenty one twenty two, 343 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: him turning himself into a good defender. 344 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 2: I value on bas a ton. 345 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: That's probably my bias there, that both the recency and 346 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 1: my value, like me valuing on bass. Uh Soriano. It 347 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: was close. I almost picked Soriano. He his power was 348 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: I mean, his speed was sapped with that with that 349 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: hamstring injury that he suffered or was it a quad 350 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: quad injury? I think it was almost immediately upon signing 351 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: with the team. 352 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 2: Uh that that hurt him. 353 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 1: I think the contract hurt the perception of Alfonso Soriano. 354 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: He had to be this perfect player instead of this 355 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: really good player that he was. I I don't want 356 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 1: to take anything away from Soriano. I he was really 357 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 1: enjoyable to cover. I thought he when he finally got coaching. Defensively, 358 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: he got better, really strong arm, fun guy, like fun 359 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 1: guy to talk to, one of the first guys that 360 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: I learned to like, Oh you can have fun with 361 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 1: these guys. 362 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 5: And of course Poppy. 363 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah he was. He was a good, good good guy. 364 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 2: I mean he is a good guy. 365 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 1: And uh probably I probably uh, now that I'm starting 366 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:04,199 Speaker 1: to talk about it, I probably made a you know, 367 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 1: a recency biased choice. 368 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 2: But it was close. 369 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, I. 370 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 4: Would have gone story overhap just because I feel Soriano 371 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 4: again with a ramis that like sort of encapsulates, you know, 372 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 4: an era or bridges different periods of the franchise. It's 373 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 4: like win one for Tribune Tower, big contract. You know, 374 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 4: lots of kind of rumors about how did it, you know, 375 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 4: kind of come together at the end, and where were. 376 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 5: The final offers, and. 377 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:47,479 Speaker 4: You know, business and baseball all kind of you know, 378 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 4: getting their hands in on this deal. You know, just 379 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 4: a big part of those seven eight teams, getting the team. 380 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 5: Towards the THEO era. 381 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 4: I think the takeaway I think, and it's not really 382 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 4: unique anyone who encountered Soriano, just like the joy he 383 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 4: had at the field every day, his energy, just like 384 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 4: you know, legendary character too. In the Clubhouse of you know, 385 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 4: I think the story was a Cubs reliever asked for 386 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 4: change because they were tipping the clubhouse guys at the 387 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 4: end of the series, and can you can you break 388 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 4: a hundred for me? 389 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 5: And he looks at him as like, hundreds are change, babe. 390 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 5: Like I think. 391 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 4: That's you know, kind of print the legend, But I 392 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 4: think that's largely a true story. I think I got 393 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 4: that confirmed that at some point. 394 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 5: Whereas like the Happ certainly like kind of the modern player. 395 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 4: Just if you're looking at the War, I mean Soriano, 396 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 4: I think some like eight war over seven seasons, but 397 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 4: he had an eight hundred ops and hit you know, 398 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 4: one hundred almost close to two hundred homers for the Cubs. 399 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 4: That's probably inflated. What was it here, one hundred and 400 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 4: eighty one homers? Oh wow, eight hundred twelve ops over 401 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 4: seven you know, not quite seven full years because he 402 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 4: got traded obviously, but that was only. 403 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 5: Eight point two War. I don't know, it just seems 404 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 5: like to your point with coaching, if. 405 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 4: He got a little more of that earlier, if you know, 406 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 4: his legs stayed a little bit more healthy. 407 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 5: I think there's ways to juice the War too. 408 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 4: But to me, Happ is another one of those guys 409 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 4: sort of bridging towards the next era, like his best 410 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 4: years were when the Cubs were kind of down or 411 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 4: yaddlaying where sorry. I just think had a little more impact. 412 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 4: But again at the end of this year, you know, 413 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 4: Ian had could have a monster second half, big postseason, 414 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,880 Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, I said, someone who really 415 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 4: enjoys talking to you and have I think his consistency. 416 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 4: I don't get why people, you know, he seems to 417 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,439 Speaker 4: get a lot of heat in our comments section or 418 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 4: on social media. A really solid, well rounded player who 419 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 4: like fits perfectly on the twenty twenty five team and 420 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 4: also really like values to Wrigley experience, the history, the city, 421 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 4: all that stuff. Like I get, I get why you 422 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 4: picked him. 423 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: All right, this is this is crazy. I know it's crazy. 424 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: I don't care. I think it's the right call. I 425 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 1: think it's the right call. I put Pca in center field, 426 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: and I want you to this is this what I'm 427 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 1: about to tell you is crazy. He's fourth and sent 428 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: for center fielders in war according to fangrafs from two 429 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: thousand to twenty twenty five. I wrote a piece at 430 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: some point, I don't know when. It was about how 431 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 1: remember how there was this talk about the Cubs don't 432 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 1: have a third basement. The Cubs don't have a third 433 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 1: basement before Aramas showed up. Yeah, it's been since Ron Santo. 434 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: That conversation should have shifted to the Cubs don't have 435 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,479 Speaker 1: a center fielder. The Cubs don't have a center fielder. 436 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: They have not had a center fielder since in a 437 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 1: really long time, and that I mean that's shown by 438 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: this this war that I'm looking at where he's fourth, 439 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: it's five point six from two thousand Dexter fowlers at 440 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: seven point two. Would anybody be surprised if PCA's number 441 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: one on that list by the end of the season. 442 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: I don't think anybody would be that surprised if he's 443 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,880 Speaker 1: number one. The way he's performing right now, he's gonna 444 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: blow by Dexter Fowler. 445 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 2: I understand. It's ridiculous. I understand it. 446 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: I'm supposed to stick to two thousand and twenty twenty five, 447 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: I get it. 448 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 2: It just feels like it's the right call. 449 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: It just I just kind of went with, you know, 450 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: my gut here and like a little bit of uh 451 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:03,679 Speaker 1: maybe I don't know if it's. 452 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 2: Fan service, I don't know what it is, but I 453 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 2: had to. I had to go with PCA. I just 454 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 2: all I mean. 455 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 1: Dexter deserves a tonne of of a great moment, as 456 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: far as multiple great moments, the return in spring training, 457 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 1: the surprise return in spring training, and the leadoff homer 458 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 1: in Game seven. Uh and and he's Hugo we Go. 459 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 1: He deserves credit. Corey Patterson was a great defender, if 460 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: not a if not a stud offensively to to you know, 461 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: kind of live up to his prospect type. Cody Bellinger 462 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: was really good for his couple of seasons here. Dexter 463 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 1: was the one that I picked him over, and maybe 464 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,959 Speaker 1: I screwed Dexter over here, but pca' is a stud 465 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 1: man and I just had to go with the hot hand. 466 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:54,120 Speaker 4: Was this the all most all all late April, most 467 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 4: of May team may have been. 468 00:26:58,800 --> 00:26:59,719 Speaker 5: I said that someone. 469 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 4: As as the staff, we're just like, all right, we 470 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,640 Speaker 4: have to write pca pretty much every day like he's 471 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,399 Speaker 4: on hobby, you know, Hovey alert, where you know, you 472 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:09,919 Speaker 4: never know what he's gonna do, like you have to 473 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 4: be ready to you know, turn around a headline real fast. 474 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 4: I would have gone Dexter for what you describe. I 475 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:22,439 Speaker 4: mean Game seven, his return, We just you know, mentioned it. 476 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 4: I think the other day, just kind of talking to 477 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 4: Jed of like it's an all time like, how do 478 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 4: they sneak that one through? 479 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 5: Did not leak at all? 480 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 4: Dexter showing up in Mesa a genuine surprise. Also, I 481 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 4: think just in covering the twenty fifteen season and hearing 482 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 4: people fans talk about in retrospect, it was just such 483 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 4: a fun, out of nowhere season and as the ugo 484 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 4: we go guy, Dexter was right in the middle of that. 485 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 4: So just because twenty fifteen was like so unexpected, and 486 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 4: I think it's like kind of one a next to 487 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 4: twenty sixteen in terms of like just the entertainment factor 488 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 4: and the kind of you know, what was the use 489 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 4: some sort of meta metaphor of like you know, you know, 490 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 4: you know, a band before they hit it big, of 491 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,959 Speaker 4: just like kind of a time of you know, air 492 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 4: quotes here, innocence, you know, in twenty fifteen, before the 493 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 4: expectations just and the weight of nineteen to eight hit them, 494 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 4: it was just this like every day a different player, 495 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 4: And you know, that's that's why I leaned Dexter. But like, 496 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 4: you know, I understand your your PCA choice, since we're 497 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 4: always looking for PCA headlines, like maybe that'll be the 498 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 4: graphic for this comes off quarter century team just p 499 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 4: Crow Armstrong with like three months yeah. 500 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 8: Yeah, right. 501 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: Well, as ridiculous as that pick may have been, I 502 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: think this one was easy unless you're gonna, you know, 503 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: quibble with steroids or whatever. Right field Sammy Sosa the 504 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 1: numbers speak for themselves. I believe you said, what one 505 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: hundred and eighty one career homers for Soriano. I think 506 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: that's around Sammy Sosa's lead as far as right fielders, 507 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: and he, you know, he didn't play that much in 508 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: this century, and that's how how much he dominated, with 509 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: his power and just his general value. 510 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 8: It. 511 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: You know, it's him easily over sayah, you know, we'll see, 512 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: is Kyle Tucker the pick in twenty fifty, We'll see 513 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 1: can they can they bring Kyle Ducker back. 514 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 5: I did like the twenty fifty reference there. 515 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 4: I was curious too of you know, this borderline here 516 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 4: of obviously we all know Sammy in ninety eight and 517 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 4: then it's like, okay, and then it did not end 518 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 4: well with the Cubs at all, and I was just 519 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 4: kind of curious. 520 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 5: And you know, even in. 521 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 4: Oh four he played in one hundred and twenty six games, 522 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 4: I had thirty five homers eighty RBIs and then just 523 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 4: I mean just absurd in two thousand, fifty homers one 524 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 4: hundred and thirty eight RBIs, which is a downgrade from 525 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 4: the year prior sixty four homers one hundred and sixty 526 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 4: RBIs I mean forty and one hundred, forty plus one 527 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 4: hundred plus you know, two forty and one hundred three, 528 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 4: two thousand and three just some absurd numbers. And also 529 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 4: I think he deserves a spot on the team just 530 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 4: for the like endless questions at Cub's convention to the 531 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 4: Ricketts family of whether or not he would come back. 532 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 5: That was just such a his cold war. 533 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 4: I think was a part of, you know, telling the 534 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 4: story of this past quarter century of baseball. 535 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 5: Really, so that actually might that is. 536 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 4: Probably even easier than the first base one. And that 537 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 4: was pretty easy in picking Riso over. 538 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 8: D Lee. 539 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: The rotation, So there there there were some easy ones here. 540 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: Jake Arietta, John Lester, Kyle Hendricks are easy peaks. Jake 541 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 1: Arietta some of the one of the greatest stretches arguably 542 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 1: in MLB pitching starting pitching history. That was one just 543 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 1: an amazing stretch. We talk about PCA and content with that, 544 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: like the amount we could write about with Jake Arietta 545 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: doing that stretch. John John Lester changed the culture. Desperately 546 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 1: needed a starting pitcher, you know, a big free agent, 547 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 1: just an easy pick. Kyle Hendricks one of the more 548 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: underrated guys. I've covered one of the nicer, greater guys 549 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 1: I've covered, and that there's some numbers I throw in there, 550 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 1: but his stretch from like fourteen to twenty, he was 551 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: he had the seventh lowest era during that span for 552 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: pictures with at least like eight hundred ish innings. 553 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 2: He had well over a thousand. And the people better 554 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 2: than him are like. 555 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: Clayton Kershaw, Max Scherzer, Zach Grinky, Chris Saale, Corey Klueber. 556 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: We're talking about the best of the best during that era. 557 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: And then is Kyle Hendrick sneaks in there. He was 558 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 1: just super under the radar, really good. And then I 559 00:31:54,720 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: went with I went with Carlos Sombrono. He's the innings 560 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: leader over this time, war leader over this time. 561 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 2: Uh, top five. 562 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: Ish, I want to say in E R A during 563 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 1: this time, Uh, I think like Wilson Contreras, like Sammy, 564 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 1: like some of these other guys, that things didn't always 565 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 1: go well. 566 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 2: Uh, especially like as far as with. 567 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:28,239 Speaker 1: The media or or uh management, Yeah, with management, it's 568 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, yeah, he was he was a material 569 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: guy and uh and certainly it didn't always look good. Uh, 570 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: but you know, he was a great he was a 571 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 1: great pitcher, and then I went I went Prior over 572 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 1: Wood and Dempster. That's probably controversial, and it's probably is 573 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: uh a part of my bias. I I lived in 574 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 1: the city and and was a was a fan going 575 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 1: to games back in like O two to like five. 576 00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 1: I went to a ton of games and he was 577 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: just really his Peak in three was just really fun, 578 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: three oh four was really fun to watch. I went 579 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: with Peak over Dempster and Wood, who obviously really great 580 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 1: cubs and deserve to mention. I just went with Prior 581 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 1: because he was elite for a couple of years there, 582 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: and you know, this was a fifth spot that I. 583 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 2: Felt like I could take some liberties with. 584 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, big Z to me is like as 585 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 4: automatic as those three pitchers from the twenty sixteen rotation. 586 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 4: Just because the numbers are staggering, his talent was just phenomenal. 587 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 4: The entertainment factor off the charts, you know, sometimes misunderstood, 588 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 4: but I think it has to be made clear that. 589 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 5: He was a really he. 590 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 4: Was a really is a really intelligent guy. Like he 591 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 4: just lost his temper in the moments, but a terrific 592 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 4: sense of human her I mean you could see his 593 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 4: relationship with our buddy Paul Sullivan at the Tribune over 594 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 4: the years, like super could be just super engaging, just 595 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 4: physically just I mean just a beast like yeah, you like, 596 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,240 Speaker 4: you know, looked like he could play in the NBA 597 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 4: or NFL just like a giant, an amazing hitter too. 598 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:29,760 Speaker 4: You wouldn't get that h and yeah, that lived fifth 599 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 4: Bot kind of question mark. I think with Wooden Dempster 600 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:38,319 Speaker 4: obviously great contributions throughout this time, I probably would have 601 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 4: like done a Craig Council default. Well, I need out getters, 602 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 4: and you could probably fold your water Dempster into the bullpen. 603 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 4: I guess they both technically, you know, they closed and 604 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,759 Speaker 4: put up some nice out of the pen too. 605 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I went a bullpen closer. I went Carlos Marmel. 606 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:05,279 Speaker 1: What a wild career. He had also a kind of 607 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 1: a crazy ending as well. He For me, what I 608 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: remember is I was really getting into numbers and strikeout 609 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: rate and like how important that was. And we were 610 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:21,920 Speaker 1: entering an era where pitchers were hitting, like hitting thirty percent. 611 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 1: Strike out rate was almost unheard of. There were very 612 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 1: few guys that were capable of doing that and Marmel 613 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 1: was elite at doing that, and then he got to 614 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 1: forty percent and that that was pretty cool for me 615 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,400 Speaker 1: to like someone that was really getting into numbers and 616 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 1: thought that was cool. He was He's like any other reliever, 617 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,840 Speaker 1: really up and down and put that peak was really fun. 618 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 1: He had a ton of staying. I think he's a 619 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 1: Saves leader. During this time, the Cubs haven't had a 620 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,880 Speaker 1: lot of great closers, to be like, completely honest, they 621 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 1: just haven't nobody that's stuck around for a long time. 622 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,720 Speaker 1: So I went with him, and I had to include 623 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,279 Speaker 1: a setup guy because I feel like having this list 624 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 1: and not having paid Rostrope on it is ridiculous because 625 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 1: great call, grey call so hard to find consistency with relievers, 626 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 1: and I think it's just I mean, he was so consistent. 627 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 2: He showed up year after year, a. 628 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,800 Speaker 1: Guy that I believe when they acquired him seven is 629 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,880 Speaker 1: era just looked like a mess. 630 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 2: What a trade. 631 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 1: Part of the greatest trade, arguably the greatest trade the 632 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,280 Speaker 1: Cubs have pulled off. I believe it was Steve Clevenger 633 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:34,440 Speaker 1: and Scott Feldman for Paid Rostrope and Jake Arieta, Like 634 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 1: I had to include him and I one mention that 635 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,839 Speaker 1: I made with Shawn Marshall, I just wanted to mention 636 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 1: him because it's so hard to develop lefties. The Cubs 637 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,799 Speaker 1: finally have a couple lefties in their bullpen right now, 638 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,720 Speaker 1: but it's been so hard to find lefties. 639 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,759 Speaker 2: They developed one and he was really good. He was 640 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 2: really good. 641 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 1: It traded for a key, a fun piece of the 642 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 1: World Series team. Travis Wood was the return was part 643 00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 1: of the return for him. But I always liked Sean Mark. 644 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,400 Speaker 1: It covered the end of his time with the Cubs 645 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 1: and just really good lefty, A good quality reliever, probably 646 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:07,239 Speaker 1: a little underrated. 647 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, I love the the calls on Marshall, on Strobe 648 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 4: and Sean Marshall is a true gentleman. Also kind of 649 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,760 Speaker 4: a calm voice of reason when all this crazy stuff 650 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 4: was happening around the Cups during that time. 651 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,680 Speaker 5: He just was very mellow. 652 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:30,920 Speaker 4: Vibes, Pedro Strope, all energy, team, just great demeanor. Really 653 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,239 Speaker 4: all all players throughout the clubhouse. It wasn't just like 654 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,239 Speaker 4: the Latin guys. It wasn't just the bullpen guys like 655 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:41,240 Speaker 4: you know, hitters, pictures, you know, guys from the country. 656 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:46,239 Speaker 4: Everyone just loved pedro Strope. I just really you know, 657 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 4: posted year after year. Marvel's peak was amazing. I just 658 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:57,880 Speaker 4: couldn't couldn't go there because he ruined too many like stories. 659 00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:59,280 Speaker 5: I just felt like he was the class. 660 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,960 Speaker 4: He was always and those day games at Wrigally you 661 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 4: need like an early notebook. 662 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,319 Speaker 5: It's like, oh, Carlos Marmo was a name. 663 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,440 Speaker 4: He's there, he's pitching well, and then it just seems 664 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 4: like inevitably you get to the ninth inning and that 665 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,799 Speaker 4: story you wrote, it's like, oh, man, I have to 666 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:22,759 Speaker 4: rewrite everything. I don't think there was like an obvious. 667 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,400 Speaker 5: Answer the way there was a certain other positions. 668 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's just kind of weird. They cycled 669 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,160 Speaker 4: through like I don't know, like Wade Davis might have 670 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:33,400 Speaker 4: had the best pure closing season. Yeah yeah, but it 671 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,279 Speaker 4: wasn't you know, that was only you know, one of 672 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,280 Speaker 4: you know, twenty five in a quarter century. 673 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,080 Speaker 5: Brandon Morril was awesome. He was the opposite of marm Like. 674 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 5: He did it. He was lights out. It just obviously 675 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,120 Speaker 5: didn't last. 676 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:47,880 Speaker 2: It was a hell of a half season. 677 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,239 Speaker 4: And yeah, I mean he got injured, like putting his 678 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 4: pants on right, that was a bubby occurrence. I don't know, 679 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,040 Speaker 4: does Mike Montgomery getting that one out? 680 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,520 Speaker 5: Oh yeah? Put him as the closer? 681 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:05,480 Speaker 4: Obviously a roll this chatman, you know, helped drag them 682 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 4: to that game seven, But it was such a short 683 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:14,320 Speaker 4: kind of span. And then yeah, like Dempster and Wood 684 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 4: had had nice moments out of been too. I mean, 685 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,959 Speaker 4: you know, uh, you're not gonna put Craig Kimberl on there. 686 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:23,600 Speaker 2: I don't know. 687 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,399 Speaker 4: Do you want to put Daniel Polentci on there? He 688 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,720 Speaker 4: he had a good series against the Rockies. Your recency bias. 689 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 2: We'll see. 690 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 1: We'll see the next list. Maybe maybe Polentcia gets up there. 691 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,160 Speaker 1: I think this just goes to show how tough it 692 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,000 Speaker 1: is with relievers. Yes, and it just really shows the 693 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:44,080 Speaker 1: value of Strope. He was so good and I like 694 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,680 Speaker 1: he you know, the consistency was amazing. 695 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,920 Speaker 2: Uh Patrick, This list was fun, you know. 696 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,400 Speaker 1: And and talking through it, like I feel like, should 697 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,319 Speaker 1: I have put sore on around there? And uh and 698 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 1: and I appreciate your your perspective on third base. It's 699 00:39:58,239 --> 00:39:59,560 Speaker 1: it's good to like talk this through. 700 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:00,319 Speaker 2: So I now. 701 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,959 Speaker 1: Prepared for the comments that are gonna come, because people 702 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,000 Speaker 1: are gonna be mad and and and yell at me 703 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 1: for the terrible decisions I made. Uh uh, but you 704 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,800 Speaker 1: know we'll we'll let them sound off on the YouTube 705 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,719 Speaker 1: comments here as well, and yell at us there. 706 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,200 Speaker 2: Thanks so much for listening to everyone. This is Northside Territory. 707 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,720 Speaker 1: Make sure to rate, review, subscribe, subscribe to the YouTube channel, 708 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,239 Speaker 1: subscribe to the Athletic for Patrick and I are on 709 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,040 Speaker 1: top of all things Cubs. We will be back next 710 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,160 Speaker 1: week with three more episodes. 711 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 8: Uh. 712 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,560 Speaker 1: They start a road trip. It is Washington. Then then 713 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:39,600 Speaker 1: it gets tough again Detroit, uh, and then Philly. Right, 714 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,239 Speaker 1: Detroit and Philly so too. It's gonna get tough again 715 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,399 Speaker 1: and we'll see. We'll see where this team is and 716 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,600 Speaker 1: and and how they how they handle that? All right, 717 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:48,960 Speaker 1: thanks so much for listening to everyone. 718 00:40:49,080 --> 00:41:15,240 Speaker 8: Take care my bed and then among the leader