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Speaker 1: Welcome back to The Insiders. Tom Pellisero, Judy Battizta, Ian Rapidford.

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Speaker 1: Part two of our week one Monday podcast edition of

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Speaker 1: The Insiders. If you started with Part two, that's fine.

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Speaker 1: They are completely different subject matter in each one. We're

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Speaker 1: not an NFL network. On Monday's game day kickoff takes

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Speaker 1: our spot at seven pm Eastern Time. We are here

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Speaker 1: with you all the news, all the reactions out of

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Speaker 1: every Sunday of the NFL season, and there was a

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Speaker 1: lot to react to with the New York Giants. They

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Speaker 1: were a team Judy that through the course of the

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Speaker 1: preseason we're kind of team vibes and seemed like there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of excitement about the way the first team

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Speaker 1: offense played, about the way that Jackson Dark played. Then

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Speaker 1: we get into the regular season opener against the Commanders

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Speaker 1: and they are so inept offensively, becoming the first team

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Speaker 1: since the Lions in the nineteen forties to not score

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Speaker 1: a touchdown in three consecutive season openers that a lot

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Speaker 1: of the fixation overnight until Brian Dable cleared it up

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Speaker 1: today was whether or not Russell Wilson would even get

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Speaker 1: a second start with the Giants. We now though that

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Speaker 1: he will. But this is the ongoing question, right, We've

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Speaker 1: addressed him many times. How long does this last? And

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Speaker 1: what does it take for us to actually maintain this

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Speaker 1: job for a substantive portion of the season.

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Speaker 2: You know, we said this all summer that this was

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Speaker 2: going to be a test of their patients, right, because

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Speaker 2: they are high on Jackson Darth. They love what they

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Speaker 2: saw from him, gave them a bit of a spark.

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Speaker 2: He's got a different skill set at this point than

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Speaker 2: Russ has at this point in his career. But I

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Speaker 2: don't think they want to throw him. First of all,

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Speaker 2: don't forget their offensive line is not intact, right, Andrew

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Speaker 2: Thomas did not play, and so are you putting Jackson

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Speaker 2: Dart behind an offensive line that is still struggling without

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Speaker 2: the best offensive lineman on the field. I don't think

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Speaker 2: you want to pull the plug quite that quickly. I

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Speaker 2: think that would be a panic move. Having said that,

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Speaker 2: I mean, they just were, you know, inept, and that

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Speaker 2: can't continue either. I mean, you're right, the vibes were

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Speaker 2: so positive in the summer, and they looked really good

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Speaker 2: in pre season, which tells you that preseason means absolutely nothing.

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Speaker 3: And they looked really good.

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Speaker 2: In training camp practice, which also tells you that your

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Speaker 2: eyes will lie to you. You know, I can't imagine

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Speaker 2: the leashes all that long, Like I can't imagine they

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Speaker 2: could have too many more games like that before they

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Speaker 2: have to make the change. They plays, as we've said,

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Speaker 2: a very very tough schedule. They play the Saints in

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Speaker 2: a few weeks. And that feels like if you were

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Speaker 2: going to put a rookie quarterback out there, maybe you

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Speaker 2: would do it then. I mean, obviously, I'm sorry, go ahead, No.

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Speaker 4: It's just say if they get there.

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Speaker 2: If they get there, if you get that far, if

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Speaker 2: you get that far.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's like, you know, you're right, Like they

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Speaker 4: we go through this all the time. It's like a

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Speaker 4: team drafts a quarterback in the first round. They have

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Speaker 4: a bridge quarterback, and it's like, we'd love for him

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Speaker 4: not to play the season, And I say it, we

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Speaker 4: all say it, and I that is a fact. Best

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Speaker 4: case scenario for the Giants. Russell Wilson is the start

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Speaker 4: of the entire year, and maybe Jackson Darket's a couple

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Speaker 4: of plays a game in the little package we talked

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Speaker 4: about on Sunday that they actually didn't end up using

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Speaker 4: and then all is well, except they lost and looked

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Speaker 4: terrible and so like you're right, patients tested early. The

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Speaker 4: real problem is a lot of that confidence, a lot

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Speaker 4: of the good feeling, a lot of the optimism wasn't

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Speaker 4: really about Russ. It really wasn't. It was about Jackson

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Speaker 4: Dart and the possibilities and like you're right, I think

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Speaker 2: It wasn't good, but I think it was about Russ,

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Speaker 2: but intangibles about Russ. It wasn't about Russ how he plays.

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Speaker 2: It was about Russ as a positive, a guy who

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Speaker 2: lifts up his teammates, kind of leadership guy. It wasn't

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Speaker 2: Russ the football player.

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Speaker 4: Right, and so you know I would say, like the

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Speaker 4: football player. You know, look, at the end of last

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Speaker 4: year with the Steelers, it wasn't good. I think that's

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Speaker 4: I think that's clear. It wasn't good. And you know

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Speaker 4: this this start wasn't good. Like you're right, like, I

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Speaker 4: don't know how many more we're gonna get. But it's

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Speaker 4: week two and we were all waiting to see what

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Speaker 4: the Giants would decide this morning. That means it's coming.

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Speaker 4: And look, you can say all about like you know,

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Speaker 4: is like the long term versus the short term. But

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Speaker 4: at some point, Tom, you got to go try to

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Speaker 4: win some games, and like, I don't know how much

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Speaker 4: longer it's gonna be, but like we're getting to the

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Speaker 4: point somewhat rapidly that like everyone's gonna need to see

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Speaker 4: how much better Jackson Dart makes this.

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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, you have this dichotomy where Daniel Jones, who was

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Speaker 1: the Giants franchise quarterback and had the highs of going

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Speaker 1: and winning a playoff game a few years ago, to

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Speaker 1: the lows of losing his job and getting cut and

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Speaker 3: Daniel Jones can do. It's the same stuff they did

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Speaker 3: with him in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 1: It's using his physical they're running goal line plays with

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Speaker 1: him running the football. And for the Colts, the best

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Speaker 1: news is this, you are showing, at least for one game.

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Speaker 1: And we'll get to the Dolphins side of this as well,

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Speaker 1: but at least for one game you're showing the rest

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Speaker 1: up and down, going all the way back to the

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Speaker 1: first year that Andrew Locke disappeared right before the season

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Speaker 1: and they had to go without him. They've had pieces

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Speaker 1: on the roster. That's what you're trying to show. Just

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Speaker 1: give us a guy Ian that can go out there

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Speaker 1: function and run Shane Steichen's offense. Let us show you

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Speaker 1: all the other stuff that we've put in place. Again,

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Speaker 1: you know you had they were doing the tribute to

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Speaker 1: Jim irsay, there was clearly an emotional element. We'll see

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Speaker 1: where it goes from here for the Colts. But lou

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Speaker 1: to and the Dolphins looked really bad.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, really bad. And you know, Davian Howard talked to

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Speaker 4: reporters today, former Dolphins corner now plays for the Colts,

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Speaker 4: and he was really honest and not very nice and said,

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Speaker 4: we know, if we took away two first raad he

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Speaker 4: was gonna panic and like, that's not cool. But it's

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Speaker 4: definitely what happened. And it looked bad. And so we'll

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Speaker 4: get to the Dolphins in a second. I know, but

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Speaker 4: I have thought in my head that Shane Steiker would

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Speaker 4: be a good head coach. I have thought in my

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Speaker 4: they would be a functioning good team. But like you

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Speaker 4: haven't had the opportunity to see that the last couple

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Speaker 4: what I think, except I've known stich In for a

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Speaker 4: while and like obviously know a lot of people know him,

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Speaker 4: And I just have wanted to see, like is he

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Speaker 4: a good head coach or not? And then you watch

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Speaker 4: things like Sunday and it's kind of like, Okay, that's

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Speaker 4: what it's supposed to look like. Maybe if he gets

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Speaker 4: a good to better than good quarterback that they could

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Speaker 4: where it goes. But that was a very very good

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Speaker 4: sign for Daniel Jones and for Shane Steike and now

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Speaker 4: the Dolphins, Judy, you know, not as much.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, first of all, good for Daniel Jones. I also

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Speaker 2: think he benefited from being at the Vikings. I'll be

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Speaker 2: it briefly last year, but I think being around that

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Speaker 2: I thought that probably benefited him, and he also benefited

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Speaker 2: probably he got at the Giants. Okay, yeah, the Dolphins. Wow,

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Speaker 2: talk about like when do we make the change? Like

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Speaker 2: what happened there? I mean credit to Mike McDaniel for

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Speaker 2: falling on the sword.

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Speaker 1: And get Judy's internet connection performing as well today as

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Speaker 1: the Dolphins offense did.

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Speaker 3: I would also say with regard to the I.

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Speaker 4: Mean that face right there, Judy, I would say, if

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Speaker 4: you did Judy and Tua side by side, you would

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Speaker 4: probably get a accurate description of of what happened to

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Speaker 1: This has been such a weird offseason, Judy for Miami

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Speaker 1: because think about the number of things they've done on

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Speaker 1: They signed Matthew Judon, They signed I believe another pass rusher.

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Speaker 1: They've had injuries Galore eighth Chan wasn't practicing in camp,

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Speaker 1: practicing for a while. Then you get into the game,

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Speaker 1: It is really hard, and I'm not excusing anything. It

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Speaker 1: was a bad performance, Mike Van Daniels says much. But

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Speaker 1: it is hard when you're trying to say we're gonna

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Speaker 1: do all these things, Judy. Culturally, we're revamping the locker

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Speaker 1: If you've got all these moving parts constantly, it just

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Speaker 2: Well, Tua played poorly, but we also said when they

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Speaker 2: were losing guys, good players, that maybe this is a

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Speaker 2: step back season for the Dolphins, Right, maybe this is

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Speaker 2: a season where you sort of take a step back

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Speaker 2: and assess and then figure out which way you're going

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Speaker 2: to go. This is what that game looked like. Right,

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Speaker 2: Tua played terribly, but this is what that game looked

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Speaker 2: like it looked like a team that did not have

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Speaker 2: all of the things that needed, didn't look like a

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Speaker 2: And you know, Mike McDaniel took the blame for all

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Speaker 2: of that, but I mean, how do they get better

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Speaker 4: Like they've got?

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Speaker 2: I mean, that was just an embarrassing, embarrassing performance about

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Speaker 2: as bad as you could look. I mean, we just

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Speaker 2: talked about the giants, but the dolphins looked worse than that.

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Speaker 1: And when you're preaching constant too, like the mutual accountability

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Speaker 1: and all those things, there was a big part of it.

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Speaker 1: Why did Tua call out Tyree publicly? Why didn't teamate?

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Speaker 1: Tyrek a captain? These are the moments, whether you're a

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Speaker 1: the ones that come back. What was Tyreek's line was

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Speaker 1: something like, we got our absolute bleatly beleeps kicked. This

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Speaker 1: is the moment where you and everybody else has to

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Speaker 1: step up and say, listen, we can all go down

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Speaker 1: with the ship here. And in three weeks people can

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Speaker 1: be talking about should everyone be fired, Should we all

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Speaker 1: be traded?

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Speaker 3: Or we can try to turn this right now, because

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Speaker 2: they got to settle him down. I don't know what's

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Speaker 2: going on there, but like it was, it was disappointing

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Speaker 2: the Raiders were able to pressure him like he just

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Speaker 2: I was disappointed. I do think as you said, I

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Speaker 2: think the Patriots were further away. Mike Vrabel will make

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Speaker 2: a big difference on the fundamentals and on like cleaning

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Speaker 2: things up. But I just don't think they have enough

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Speaker 2: good players yet and that you know it takes a

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Speaker 2: few cycles to get more good players in there, and

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Speaker 2: I think we saw that yesterday.

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Speaker 3: There's a rhythm to it as well.

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Speaker 1: Just watching it, and again I won't claim to be

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Speaker 1: the X's nose expert, but I was focused in a

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Speaker 1: lot on Stefan Diggs when he was on the field,

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Speaker 1: just seeing what are they trying to do. There were

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Speaker 1: a bunch of times where he's clearly where they're trying

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Speaker 1: to go with the football, and you're Drake doesn't feel

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Speaker 1: quite comfortable. One time Digs slipped on like a it

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Speaker 1: was a one on one route down by the goal line. Here,

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Speaker 1: I think you're going to see Diggs, who actually had

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Speaker 1: quite a bit of volume through the course of that game.

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Speaker 1: He's going to come a bigger and bigger piece of

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Speaker 1: the offense. But kind of like the running back group,

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Speaker 1: the Patriots are going to roll all these different running

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Speaker 1: backs and wide receivers and let them all kind of

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Speaker 1: have a role and try to figure it out. That's

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Speaker 1: something that Vrabel and Tennessee did a good job of,

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Speaker 1: which was you September to figure out, Okay, who actually

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Speaker 1: belongs Like what are we good at? What are guys

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Speaker 1: on this team good at. I think you'll see the

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Speaker 1: Patriots make progress, but definitely not the debut that they.

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Speaker 3: Were hoping for.

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Speaker 1: We will get a really fascinating debut tonight on both

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Speaker 1: sides of the ball. We will see Caleb Williams playing

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Speaker 1: with Ben Johnson for the first time and Judy after

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Speaker 1: what's it been here seventeen months, sixteen months after the

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Speaker 1: Vikings drafted JJ McCarthy, we will finally see him play

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Speaker 1: a regular season snap. I know from talking to people

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Speaker 1: there this week, they really are trying to focus on

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Speaker 1: the plays that he's positive about, but they also want

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Speaker 1: to see him go out there, like run the offense

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Speaker 1: and gain some confidence.

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Speaker 3: No one entirely knows.

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Speaker 1: That's the one thing everyone kept telling me was nobody

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Speaker 1: knows ultimately what it's going to look like when you

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Speaker 1: get into a real game. Well now we find out,

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, on National TV in Chicago.

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Speaker 2: Look, I can't wait to see JJ McCarthy because they

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Speaker 2: put so they invested everything in him. I mean, they

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Speaker 2: let Sam Darnold go, who had took him to the

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Speaker 2: playoff last year, like they that's how much they believe

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Speaker 2: in JJ McCarthy. So I really want to see him

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Speaker 2: and see what they've seen all along. There must be

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Speaker 2: so much pressure on him though, right, I mean, like

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Speaker 2: it's this extended debut period. I can't imagine what is

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Speaker 2: in his head that he's been thinking about this for.

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Speaker 4: A year now.

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Speaker 2: And I mean, I'm really curious about Caleb Williams because, boy,

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Speaker 2: the whispers about Caleb Williams in the last few days

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Speaker 2: about you know, the effort he puts in and how

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Speaker 2: that's going to go. I am really curious to see

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Speaker 2: what Ben Johnson does and what that offense looks like. Now,

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Speaker 2: this is a fascinating game. We've had a week of

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Speaker 2: great games, but this one has so many little little layers.

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Speaker 2: Really interesting.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like just really interesting, Like is this like the

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Speaker 4: sexiest game? Like probably not that. Just from a football perspective,

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Speaker 4: I think it's going to be so fun. Two thoughts. One,

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Speaker 4: I remember talking to someone with the Patriots after their

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Speaker 4: joint practice with the Vikings, and it wasn't the first day,

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Speaker 4: but I think it was the second day, and it

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Speaker 4: was like, oh my god, this quarterback is going to

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Speaker 4: be so good. And I think that was the first

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Speaker 4: time when I'm like, all right, I guess this is

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Speaker 4: probably real. Now. O'Connell is and west Philips are excellent.

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Speaker 4: They're excellent quarterback people, and so like you think if

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Speaker 4: they have confidence someone that generally they know, but I

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Speaker 4: don't know, like people make mistakes, and like it does

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Speaker 4: sound like he is going to be really, really good.

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Speaker 4: I don't know about tonight, but eventually he said first

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Speaker 4: day he was pretty good. Second he was like electric,

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Speaker 4: and You're like, all right, so I'm excited to see

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Speaker 4: that tonight. And like, you know, the Vikings are so

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Speaker 4: weird because they do a lot of things. We talk

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Speaker 4: about the in the off season a lot, but in

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Speaker 4: this training camp, I felt like we talked about them

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Speaker 4: almost not like there's not much right, but like there's

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Speaker 4: not much to say. It's like JJ McCarthy, Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 4: we'll see how he does. And that was like the conversation,

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Speaker 4: so like that will start tonight. I think the Caleb

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Speaker 4: Williams thing. I get the sense that Ben Johnson is

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Speaker 4: in a very good place with Caleb Williams. And if

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Speaker 4: he wasn't, I would be sort of alarmed. But I

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Speaker 4: get the sense that he is, and so that should

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Speaker 4: in the that Caleb Williams is giving the effort and

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Speaker 4: attention that he wants. So we'll see tonight. But yes,

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Speaker 4: like all the whispers the last couple of days, Judy,

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Speaker 4: and like all the whispers of last year, like those

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Speaker 4: were all real, it seems to be working now for

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Speaker 4: the Bears, and I'm excited to see it tonight.

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Speaker 1: I would take a wild guest that the folks at

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Speaker 1: Monday Night Football will have a clock on Caleb Williams

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Speaker 1: at all times. I am very interested to see how

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Speaker 1: fast the ball coming out of his hands, because with

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Speaker 1: a fall for Caleb has always been run around, extend plays,

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Speaker 1: try to find make something happen. Ben Johnson wants you

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Speaker 1: play an automatic. He wants it like Sean McVay wants it,

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Speaker 1: which is why Jered Goff had success on her both

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Speaker 1: of them, which is just see it, rip it, get

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Speaker 1: the ball out. And then on the biking side, You're

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Speaker 1: absolutely right. I mean, this is probably the least we've

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Speaker 1: ever talked about a team that won fourteen games last

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Speaker 1: year and with all the different things going on around.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they just traded for Adam Thielen less than

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Speaker 1: two weeks ago, like a former Pro Bowl receiver. I remember,

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Speaker 1: you'll see him a little bit. They're playing the slot.

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Speaker 1: They're not going to overtack. Jalen Naylor is going to

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Speaker 1: play a lot I think on the outside opposite Justin

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Speaker 1: Jefferson miss all the time in training camp. But if

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Speaker 1: you're trying to figure out fantasy wise or whatever, Jefferson's fine.

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Speaker 3: He might be better than he's ever been in that game.

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Speaker 3: All Right.

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Speaker 1: We got a ton to come this week on The

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Speaker 1: Insiders over on the NFL Network side, as well as

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Speaker 1: on YouTube and on the podcast. Tomorrow, James Slater is

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Speaker 1: going to be with us talking about uh Cowboys hid

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Speaker 1: into their Week two match against the Giants. Alex high Smith,

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Speaker 1: friend of the show, coming up a big win for

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Speaker 1: the Steelers. He isn't going to join us. We also

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Speaker 1: Michael f. Florio's fantasy waiver targets. So if you're like

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Speaker 1: Ian and you built no depth into your roster, Florio

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Speaker 1: is going to have plenty of advice for you. So

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Speaker 1: send me up Eastern Time Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Fridays on

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Speaker 4: On a Great Job Tom.

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Speaker 3: Just google it.

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Speaker 1: There's some fancy graphics. We'll tweet those out too. But hey,

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Speaker 1: if you found us here today, we appreciate you being here.

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Speaker 1: As always. For Ied Judy, I'm I'm see you tomorrow