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Speaker 1: My next guest, He's on the Phone. Kicked off his

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Speaker 1: Please welcome to Money Making Conversations, my man, Henry Simmons, Hey,

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Speaker 1: thank you, Thank you. Henry. First of all, you know

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Speaker 1: I saw you on the premiere and you're looking good,

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Speaker 1: I just wanted because I know I don't look like that.

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Speaker 1: I Uh, I worked out more. I was working on

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Speaker 1: that time, it's still the same. But you guys got

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Speaker 1: believe that you are in a period that's not conducive

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Speaker 1: us about that. When the script was being put in

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Speaker 1: front of you, guys, how what did y'all think about it?

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Speaker 1: Did you have any questions when you were developing that

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Speaker 1: you can't deny that I'm a six foot four, two

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Speaker 1: time black man walking down the street. You can't deny it.

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Speaker 1: And the thing is that I said to them, now,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what they had in motion, but I

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Speaker 1: asked him, I said, what, what how are you going

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Speaker 1: And and again I don't know how much further they

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Speaker 1: address it more than just something like that, because it

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Speaker 1: wasn't something that one person might itself. Everybody felt a

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Speaker 1: certain way about uh, black people. Everybody that was what

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Speaker 1: you know, uh, I'm not saying that body was racist,

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Speaker 1: but I'm saying that some things were acceptable and some

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Speaker 1: and giving orders and walking in and walking with us

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Speaker 1: in his authority and in his power was not accepted.

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Speaker 1: Now as a character, there's no way I was going

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Speaker 1: to back down from that. There's no way I was

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Speaker 1: going to I'm not gonna walk into a situation. And

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Speaker 1: because now, look, if it was a different time period,

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Speaker 1: if I was playing a movie where I was born

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Speaker 1: that time, and it not not it might be different,

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Speaker 1: but because I'm a man of this age, going back

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Speaker 1: in time, I'm going to keep the authority in the

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Speaker 1: power in which I walk in because I'm not diminishing

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Speaker 1: the story, you know what I'm saying. But that's why

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Speaker 1: a lot, that's why I thought, you know, and looking

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Speaker 1: at the thirty one soon as they said that time

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Speaker 1: for you and I read that, I said, Wow, this

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Speaker 1: is gonna be interested watching your character because you're not

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Speaker 1: gonna become five for seven okay and six five pounds,

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Speaker 1: you know, You're still gotta be six ft four, that's all.

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Speaker 1: You cocked that hat and was stride because when you

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Speaker 1: walk in the room, like I said, when you're walking

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Speaker 1: the room, even today, you are a room changer because

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Speaker 1: of how you look and your physicality. And so one

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Speaker 1: you walk into that bar, immediately everybody looked at you, okay,

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Speaker 1: you know, because they're going, okay, we got them being

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Speaker 1: who let him in? You know, And and and that's

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Speaker 1: just that's just to me. It's fine with me because

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Speaker 1: that storytelling, but the storytelling that we could not have

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Speaker 1: is that you bowing down or you being talked too

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Speaker 1: badly and not reacting to it. That is what I

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Speaker 1: appreciated about last night and thank you. Yeah, and the

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Speaker 1: year is that you notice each time someone like one guy,

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Speaker 1: I think he said shadow and the implication me was racial.

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Speaker 1: Now you know, it might have been something different, but

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Speaker 1: the implication for me was racial. And in the bar

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Speaker 1: when they started, UH, he started to call me a

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Speaker 1: racial derogatory word and and said I stepped to them both.

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Speaker 1: I said what you said, right, you know, yes, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: you know nothing I preached it. I'm not you know, look,

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Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm not gonna blow my cover. But

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Speaker 1: the thing is is that a man in this age

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Speaker 1: and this this this latent time UH has a certain

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Speaker 1: sense can walk in his authority, can walk in his power,

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Speaker 1: and and that's something that is ingrained in us. So

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Speaker 1: that was a re actionary thing for mac back Man

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Speaker 1: when he was he was in the third it was beautiful,

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Speaker 1: It was beautiful, you know, I just wanted to everybody know,

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Speaker 1: it's a great series premier and but I thought that,

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Speaker 1: But that's an underlying tone, especially how women were treated

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Speaker 1: in Ante thirty one and how people of color when

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Speaker 1: treated in nineteen thirty one is going to be played

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Speaker 1: out through the period while they stand down there. And

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Speaker 1: I think it's really cool because the writers heated your

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Speaker 1: thoughts and and a lot of respect, because you can't

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Speaker 1: do a great series and you can't send little underlying

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Speaker 1: messages that respect is always the bottom of bottom line

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Speaker 1: we're all trying to achieve. And in this final mission,

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Speaker 1: which is the seventh season of Marvels Agents of Shields,

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Speaker 1: it's really especial because of the fact that you're the director.

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Speaker 1: Women have power, women are fighters, women are not subservient,

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Speaker 1: and they're on a mission to save the world. Tell

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Speaker 1: us about this this final mission and let us know

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Speaker 1: the direction and what can we expect the season. Henry, Well,

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Speaker 1: you can expect us too. I think it's already been

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Speaker 1: told that we are we don't remain in this time

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Speaker 1: we go to different time period. Absolutely, I think that's

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Speaker 1: already been said. I'm not giving anything, um and do.

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Speaker 1: The one thing I could say is that, uh, the mission,

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to say somebodout giving away the wishes the mission.

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Speaker 1: It becomes more complicated because, as you know, if you

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Speaker 1: go back in time, it's a butterfly effect. If you

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Speaker 1: do something, it changes the future, and then maybe if

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Speaker 1: you change the future, then maybe you have to go

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Speaker 1: back to another time to try to impress something so

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Speaker 1: it doesn't happen in the present time. So it's it's

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Speaker 1: a thing where and where you were trying to trying

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Speaker 1: to put out fires and trying to do what's necessary,

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Speaker 1: uh to stop these chronic colms from taking over. But

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Speaker 1: but the thing is is uh, like I said along

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Speaker 1: the way, you just have to read. You know, there's

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Speaker 1: gonna be some things where it's gonna affect people's lives

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Speaker 1: and look and look like this, because we're moving through

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Speaker 1: time right there are other people that are gonna come

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Speaker 1: that could possibly come back that we've seen before. That's awesome.

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Speaker 1: That's Henry. I don't want to hold you any longer, man,

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Speaker 1: I just want to I just want to have an

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Speaker 1: honest conversation with somebody I respect, a person I consider

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Speaker 1: a mentor for a lot of young people of all

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Speaker 1: the era that we live today, you know, we all

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Speaker 1: need to look up and see somebody that's doing something

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Speaker 1: different and doing the impossible and you do it every

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Speaker 1: Wednesday at ten pm Eastern and nine pm Central on

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Speaker 1: ABC Marvel Agents of Shields. You're the director, the director,

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Speaker 1: Mr Mac, the Return of the Mac. Turn on the Mac.

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Speaker 1: I'm keep that hat cock, baby, and keep that tide, man,

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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for calling much make up sessation.

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Speaker 1: But I hope you appreciated the conversation we had, man,

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Speaker 1: because it was an honest one about you as a talent. Man.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna fore you that, Uh. And I appreciate that

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Speaker 1: I've had a bunch of auditions, I'm sorry, a bunch

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Speaker 1: and insightful. Not sense for me, but I think for

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