1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: Pretty much, any obituary with the word first in its 2 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: headline is going to get a lot of cliques. Of 3 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:13,159 Speaker 1: course it is the human drama is baked right in. 4 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: Someone doing something unprecedented captivates us. We can only imagine 5 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: the courage, the fortitude not to mention the talent of 6 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: Jackie Robinson, the first black player in Major League baseball. 7 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: But what about the black player who joined the major 8 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: leagues just eleven weeks after Robinson. He had the weight 9 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: of an entire raith on his shoulders along with Jackie Robinson. 10 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: Sally Ride's place in history is secure. She was the 11 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 1: first American woman in space, But what about the woman 12 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: who went into orbit only a year later? She approached 13 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: becoming an astronaut like she did everything, She knew what 14 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: she wanted and went for the same woman who lost 15 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: her life on one of the darkest days in Nassa's history. 16 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 1: You saw it forty five seconds after liftoff, a huge 17 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: fireball in the sky. And what about the British band 18 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: here they are again? Whatever life who landed on American 19 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: shores only a month after the Beatles and dated day. 20 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 1: We love firsts so much that we end up ignoring 21 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: the achievements and people that come after, even right after. 22 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 1: But those people are essential. Without someone coming in second 23 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: and third and fourth, the first person is more of 24 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: an oddity, a one off, instead of the beginning of 25 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: big social change. So today we salute three of histories. 26 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: Silver medallists from CBS Sunday Morning and I Heart I'm 27 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: Morocca and this is mobituarymes this moment. Second place finishers 28 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: Larry Dobie, Judith Resnick, and the Dave Clark Five. I 29 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: love a good musical rivalry Andy Williams versus Perry Como, 30 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: Metallica versus Mega Death. Does anyone else remember that period 31 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: in the early eighties when it was Madonna versus Cindi 32 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: lauper Well for a good stretch of nineteen sixty four, 33 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: you were either a Beatles person or a Dave Clark 34 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: five person. I know you thought I was going to 35 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: mention the Stones, But in nineteen sixty four there were 36 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 1: magazine covers pitting the Beatles against the Dave Clark Five. 37 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,239 Speaker 1: On one of them, there's a picture of bandleader Dave 38 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: Clark captioned I'll duel with Ringo. And only one month 39 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: after the Fab Four's legendary first appearance on The Ed 40 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: Sullivan Show. Here for all of you youngsters, England's Dave 41 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: Park five, Lad all Over The Dave Clark Five made 42 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: their first appearance on the program. The Dave Clark Five 43 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,239 Speaker 1: had good reason to be feeling glad all over. Their 44 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: hit of the same name had knocked the Beatles I 45 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: want to hold your hand out of the top spot 46 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: on the UK charts. Throughout the sixties, they would land 47 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: fifteen consecutive top twenty US hit singles and sell one 48 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: hundred million records. You want a pounding rocker of a record, 49 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: a rip it up song that will rattle your world 50 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: in the bedroom you share with your dad and your brother. 51 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: Tom Hanks grew up listening to the group and could 52 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: barely contain himself during their induction into the Rock and 53 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: Roll Hall of Fame. You want to hear a song 54 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: that will make you feel glad all Over by the 55 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: Dave Clark Five. After the d C five's breakthrough with 56 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: Glad all Over saw them score top five hits with 57 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 1: Bits and Pieces and Can't You See That She's Mine? 58 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:32,559 Speaker 1: And because the following year they went to number one 59 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: with Over and Over, I said over and over and 60 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 1: over again, The Dead Clock five made a joyful sound. 61 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: Over and over and over again. The Dead Clark five 62 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: made a joyful found. But unlike the Beatles, who were 63 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: determined from their earliest days in Liverpool to make it 64 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: as artists, the Dave Clark five started playing music to 65 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 1: support their soccer habit. They had a soccer team and 66 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: they wanted to play in a tournament in Holland, but 67 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: they didn't have the money for the passage. This is 68 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: Harold Bronson, co founder of Rhino Records. He wrote a 69 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: book about the British invasion. So they formed a band 70 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 1: to make money so that they could actually be able 71 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: to go to Holland, which they whish they did. Their 72 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: aspiration was to go to Holland and play soccer, and 73 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: being a band was the way they were going to 74 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: pay for it was basically their survival job, right, So 75 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 1: it was kind of an accident, you know that they 76 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: evolved into this really good dance band. Who are you 77 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,679 Speaker 1: know making money? Mike Smith played keyboards and sang lead. 78 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 1: His voice was raw, commanding and he helped write many 79 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: of the group's songs. Lenny Davidson played guitar. Rick Huxley 80 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: was on base and Dennis Peyton the saxophone, a wild 81 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: card that helped give the Dave Clark five a unique sound. 82 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: But what really set the band apart was its drummer, 83 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: Dave Clark, himself a former stunt man. He wasn't just 84 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: the band's leader, a rarity for a drummer, he also 85 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: managed the band with a crystal clear vision of how 86 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: it should sound and look. More than anything, he was 87 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:28,919 Speaker 1: a showman. The Dave Clark Five probably had the best 88 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: presentation of any of the British Invasion groups when they 89 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 1: came to America because Dave was thinking more theatrical. They 90 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: looked great. I mean, these guys were snappy dressers, matching suits, 91 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 1: white turtlenecks, pocket squares. They're perfectly clean cut hair, perfectly quaff. 92 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: I call it Fisher Price hair, like each head of 93 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: hair could snap right on and off. Well, it's time 94 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 1: to go on in a few seconds, so Mike and 95 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 1: Rick attend to their head. Nothing fantastic, take no hint 96 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: of Mercy's side, but just the way their fans expect 97 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:07,359 Speaker 1: to see him on stage. They were all smiles, bobbing 98 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: their heads side to side in unison in sync with 99 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: their leader's drumbeat. Dave was also a producer on the 100 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: group's records, A very hands on producer the drums, for example, 101 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: he made sure they were always mixed loud and Dave 102 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: exhibited a business savvy that's rare among new artists. He 103 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: had paid for studio recordings himself using money from his 104 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: stunt work, so he figured he could ask for more 105 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: than the standard royalty rate, and when he went into negotiation, 106 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: he figured, okay, I'll ask for three times as much, 107 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: and the record company basically said okay. Even more audaciously, 108 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: he asked that the rights to the group's songs be 109 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: returned to him after ten years, which again they said okay, 110 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: because they weren't paying for it. In rock and roll 111 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: wasn't thought to have any longevity. That's right. The company 112 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: didn't see a future for rock and roll, but Dave Clark, 113 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: the stuntman slash soccer enthusiast slash high school dropout, did. Now, 114 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: that's smarts. Once the band topped the charts in the UK, 115 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: it was inevitable that America's most important taste maker would 116 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: come calling. Hell here he is ed Sullivan's Variety Show 117 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: had ruled Sunday nights for decades, and once the Beatles appeared, 118 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: Sullivan's show became the gateway, kind of the Ellis Island 119 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: for British bands who wanted to make it in America. 120 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 1: All the more remarkable then that when Ed Sullivan first 121 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: invited the Baby Clark Vive on Dave actually said no. 122 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: In today's terms, that's like having a store on Etsy 123 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: and turning down Oprah when she calls to tell you 124 00:08:56,280 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: you're one of her favorite things. But Harold Bronson says 125 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: Clark had played for Americans on air basis in the UK, 126 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: and well, apparently they were just too American for him. 127 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: He did not have a good impression of Americans and 128 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: didn't want to like put himself in that kind of rowdy, 129 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 1: uncrewth element. But when it's Sullivan up the anti to 130 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars, well, you know that was a lot 131 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: of money and that made all the difference. After Ed 132 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:28,439 Speaker 1: Sullivan introduced the Dave Clark Five to America, they finally 133 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: quit their day jobs. They ended up going on his 134 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:37,319 Speaker 1: show twelve times. In November four, the group played Anaheim, 135 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: and The l A Times described the event as a 136 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: riot without violence. The headline Britain's find it Hard to 137 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: Sing to three thousand screaming teenagers. It was Beatlemania level frenzy. 138 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: In fact, just one year after the Beatles charmed audiences 139 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: with their movie A Hard Day's Night, the Dave Clark 140 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: Five start in their own film called Catch Us If 141 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: You Can. The movie marked the debut of British director 142 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:12,559 Speaker 1: John Boorman went on to make Deliverance and Hope and Glory. 143 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: But even before the film came out, Borman told the 144 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: press it was a dud. The Dave Clark Five, mainly 145 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: Dave himself, just couldn't match the Beatles charisma. Dave may 146 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: have been cruising around in a Jaguar in the movie, 147 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 1: but the band's joy ride was beginning to sputter. By 148 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 1: the latter half of the sixties, the Beatles were experimenting 149 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: with new sounds and psychedelic drugs. They went to India 150 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: and studied transcendental meditation. They released groundbreaking albums like Sergeant 151 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band Critics began praising their music 152 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: as art. Meanwhile, the Dave Clark Five were relying more 153 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: and more on covers for the record I happen to 154 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: Love their take on put a Little Love in Your Hearts. 155 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: In seventy the Dave Clark Five called it quits, the 156 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: same year that the Beatles broke up. Today, more than 157 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: half a century later, there really is no competition. Culturally. 158 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: The Beatles are still playing the main stage that Dave 159 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: Clark five for a time, we're all but forgotten. That 160 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 1: was thanks to a very bad business decision by Dave 161 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:40,119 Speaker 1: himself to sit on those rights that reverted to him 162 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 1: for decades. He simply refused to re release any of 163 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,959 Speaker 1: the group's music. He thought wrongly that that would make 164 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: the songs more valuable. But none of that changes the 165 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: fact that the Dave Clark Five put out a lot 166 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: of great records, records that made a deep impact in 167 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: this country. I want to go back to those early 168 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: months of nine sixty four when the Beatles in February 169 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:08,839 Speaker 1: and the Dave Clark Five in March first came to America. 170 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: They were coming to a country at its lowest low, 171 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: still traumatized from what had happened just a few months 172 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: before the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. In his 173 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: speech inducting the d C five into the Rock and 174 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: Roll Hall of Fame Tom Hanks remembered how it felt 175 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: in November of nineteen sixty A terrible storm pounded your classroom, 176 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: and your town and your country, and for weeks and 177 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: for months, for the longest time, your heart and your 178 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 1: world have been wrapped in black, and the head of 179 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: every single person you look up to is still bowed 180 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:50,599 Speaker 1: in mourning. It was the bleakest winter of your discontent. 181 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 1: But then morning became morning, as the sun rose in 182 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 1: the east coming out of England. For many Americans, the 183 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: British invasion was more of an intervention, jolting this country 184 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: from its sad stupor. Music is a kind of therapy, 185 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:16,959 Speaker 1: scream therapy. The result was more than just audiences filled 186 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: with screaming teenagers and schoolyard arguments over who was better 187 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: this quintet or that quartet from the northern part of 188 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: the Queen's I'll know the true product was joy. The 189 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 1: Dave Clark five may have been second to the Beatles, 190 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: and only for a short time at that, but both 191 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: groups delivered joy when people really needed it. I'll let 192 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: Tom Hanks, channeling his eight year old self, close out 193 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: this set. Music reaches the soul. The Dave Clark five 194 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: lifted outs with a concussive beat that commanded you to 195 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 1: lean over from the back seat the moment you heard 196 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:57,599 Speaker 1: the rumbling percussion of the Dave Clark five on the 197 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: radio and commanded you to yell your dad, turn it out, 198 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: turn it out. That this is my favorite song. And 199 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: this song, this song is going to take our confusion 200 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: and our sadness, our loss and our despair. It's going 201 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: to take all the bleak days we've been through and 202 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: all the heaviness of our hearts. This three minute record 203 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: is taking our joylessness and smashing it to pieces, two 204 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: bits and pieces. So turn out the radio, dad. Now. 205 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: If you heard our season one episode on Forgotten Forerunners, 206 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: you may remember the story of Moses fleetwood Walker, the 207 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: black baseball player who in four joined the lineup of 208 00:14:56,400 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: the otherwise white Toledo Bluestockings. He taking the field outraged 209 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: enough white players that a color line was soon drawn 210 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: through America's pastime. For the next six decades, there was 211 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: an apartheid in American baseball. Black players had to form 212 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: their own teams and eventually their own leagues, the Negro Leagues. 213 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: Then Jackie Robinson moved from the Negro Leagues to a 214 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: Brooklyn Dodgers farm team, and then in was called up 215 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: to become the first black player in Major League baseball, 216 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: a milestone that was much bigger than baseball. There at 217 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: the Negro Leagues Baseball Museum, we make the bold as 218 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: searching that Jackie Robinson's breaking up the color barrier wasn't 219 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: just a part of the civil rights movement, it was 220 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: the beginning of the civil rights movement. That's Bob Kendrick, 221 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: the president of the Negro League's Baseball Museum in Kansas City, Missouri. 222 00:15:55,160 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: This is this is well before round versus the Board 223 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: of Education, right, this is before Rosa Parks refusal to 224 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: move to the back of the bus. Dr Martin Luther 225 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: King Jr. Was merely a sophomore at Morehouse College. In essence, 226 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: this is what started the ball of social progress rotling 227 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: in our country. Baseball and our country literally jumped on 228 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: the coattail of baseball. Kendrick was speaking to CBS for 229 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: a documentary not about Jackie Robinson, but about the second 230 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: black player in the Major leagues. This is the CBS 231 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: New York special presentation. Larry Dobee second to none. My 232 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: colleague sports anchor Otis Livingston hosted that documentary. Otis felt 233 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: it was high time that Larry Dobe got his due 234 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: because he has his own place. Jackie, of course is 235 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: number one, first guy in but just eleven weeks later 236 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: he was brought into this whole situation. DOBIE's journey as 237 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: the second black player in the LB was uniquely challenging. 238 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: Is it fair to say that he suffered the same 239 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 1: indignities as Jackie Robinson but he didn't get the same accolades. Oh, 240 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 1: that's fair to say, It's really fair. Larry Adobe was 241 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: born in in Camden, South Carolina. When he was fourteen, 242 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 1: he moved to Patterson, New Jersey, the place he would 243 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: call home. Adobie had played baseball when he was in 244 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 1: South Carolina, but in New Jersey he became a star, 245 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: and not just in baseball. He played on East Side 246 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 1: High School's championship winning football team. He broke a conference 247 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,679 Speaker 1: record in track and field. In fact, while he was 248 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: good at baseball, he'd later tell the Louis B. Nunn 249 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 1: Center for Oral History that the sport was almost like 250 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: an afterthought. Well, I never thought that much about baseball. 251 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,360 Speaker 1: Even when I was in high school, I played baseball 252 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: because there's nothing else to do. Baseball may not have 253 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 1: been his passion back then, but he made the All 254 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 1: state team two years in a oh His high school 255 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 1: gave him a gold watch, naming him the greatest east 256 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 1: Side high school athlete of all time, so he was 257 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: used to a relatively supportive atmosphere. Now when Dobie was 258 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 1: coming up, there was no explicit rule barring black players 259 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: from the major leagues, but there was a tacit understanding 260 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:25,439 Speaker 1: among team owners. You just didn't sign black players. So 261 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 1: Dobe joined the Negro Leagues in two while he was 262 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,479 Speaker 1: still in high school, and began playing for the Newark 263 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:35,159 Speaker 1: Eagles as second baseman. He played under the name Larry 264 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: Walker since high school students weren't technically allowed to play. 265 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: It was his first professional contract. His rising star was 266 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: briefly interrupted by World War Two, when Dobie was drafted 267 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: into the Navy. He wrote a train to Chicago for 268 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 1: basic training along with some of his former high school teammates, 269 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: but unlike his high school, the Navy was segregated. There's 270 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: budget is that that had played football, met and baseball 271 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 1: men in high school you're in the same train. When 272 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,199 Speaker 1: we got to Chicago, was in we were separated. I 273 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 1: went to so called Camp Robert Smallis was a black camp, 274 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: and they went to the white camp. In the Navy, 275 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 1: there was an all white baseball team called the Blue Jackets, 276 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: but Doobe and other black players could only play for 277 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: the black Blue Jackets. Jobe later said that it was 278 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:30,199 Speaker 1: the first time he was fully conscious of segregation, and 279 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: it's stunned. After all, he was drafted into the Navy 280 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:37,360 Speaker 1: to fight for the country. You became a little bit 281 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: frustrated because you didn't know what was going on, and 282 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 1: you the same kids as you played with in high school. 283 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 1: All of a sudden, you know you're not you're not together. 284 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: But by the time Doobe left the Navy and rejoined 285 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: the Newark Eagles, change was in the wind. Jackie Robinson 286 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 1: had just joined the farm team for the National League 287 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 1: Brooklyn Dodgers, the first step in the breaking of the 288 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: color barrier, and some other owners were looking to integrate 289 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 1: their teams. One of them was Bill vec the owner 290 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 1: of the American League Cleveland Indians. Bill Veck would later 291 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: be lauded for his early role in bringing black players 292 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 1: into the majors. He would also end up hiring the 293 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 1: American league's first black public relations officer, trainer, and scout. 294 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: As Jackie Robinson took the field in Brooklyn, Veck told 295 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: his scouts to look for the Negro League's player with 296 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: the best long term potential, and DOBIE's name kept floating 297 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: to the top, and so Beck made a deal with 298 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:44,239 Speaker 1: the Newark Eagles to bring Toby to Cleveland. But he 299 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: went about it in a much different way than the 300 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 1: Brooklyn Dodgers went about bringing Jackie Robinson on. Yeah, because 301 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 1: they they brought him through the minor league system and uh, 302 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,199 Speaker 1: you know, gave him a little bit of an adjustment period. 303 00:20:56,280 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 1: This was more abrupt. In other words, Robinson's introduct to 304 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: the Major's had been carefully orchestrated. Larrydobes was not. On July, 305 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: Adobe played what would be his last game with the 306 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 1: Negro Leagues, and then he was whisked away on a 307 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: train bow for Chicago to meet his Cleveland Indian teammates 308 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: to play against the Chicago White Sox the next day. 309 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: Because I was leaving a bunch of guys that I 310 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: played with for a long time, so I felt a 311 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: little a little funny about that, But no, those thoughts 312 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,239 Speaker 1: came into my head about the major leagues. I just 313 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 1: I thought more about what I'm leaving. Adobe was newly married. 314 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,919 Speaker 1: He and his wife, Helen had been looking forward to 315 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 1: buying a house in New Jersey Whendobe suddenly found himself 316 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 1: on that train headed to the Midwest. Larrydobe was also young. 317 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 1: Jackie Robinson was twenty eight when he joined the Dodgers, 318 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 1: so he was seasoned. He could probably handle a little 319 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 1: bit different. Adobe's twenty three years old. And let's talk 320 00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:00,479 Speaker 1: about that, because that's an important distinction, and those are 321 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 1: two very different ages. Yes, definitely. I mean you're a 322 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: pup twenty three. You know, you're experiencing this stuff for 323 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: the first time. Joining the Cleveland Indians would make Adobe 324 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: the first black player in the American League. Not that 325 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: his teammates rolled out the red carpet. What kind of 326 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 1: a reception did he get in Chicago on July five 327 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: when he shows up there? Okay, so I'm will receptive. 328 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 1: Some wouldn't shake his hands, some turned their backs. You know, 329 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 1: there was just a lidney of responses when the team 330 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: took to the field to warm up. No one would 331 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: even play catch with Adobe except for second baseman and 332 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:43,120 Speaker 1: former American League m v P Joe Gordon. Gordon said, Adobe, Hey, rookie, 333 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: you're gonna just stand there? Or do you want to 334 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: throw a little? Adobe later said it was a moment 335 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 1: he would never forget. You have to have allies when 336 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,479 Speaker 1: you're doing something like this, when you've taken on an 337 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,479 Speaker 1: endeavor like this, which was difficult for him on and 338 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,880 Speaker 1: off the field, you have to have somebody in your 339 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: corner that's gonna accept you and and and make it 340 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 1: okay or make it tolerable. Joe Gordon side. Adobe's first 341 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: major league season was rough. He struck out more than 342 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 1: twice as often as he had playing for the New 343 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: York Eagles. If you asked me as to why I 344 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: wasn't a consistent ballplayer, I couldn't give me an answer. Now, 345 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: he kid had to be something subconsciously that I had 346 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: no control over that. Nothing but his early performance probably 347 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:31,919 Speaker 1: had something to do with the almost inconceivable pressure he 348 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,959 Speaker 1: and Jackie Robinson were under. Here's Bob Kendrick from the 349 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 1: Negro Leagues Museum. Again, Jackie Robinson, Larry Adobe. They were 350 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: carrying twenty one million black folks on their back. So 351 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: if they failed, an entire race of people fail. Can 352 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 1: you imagine carrying that weight in a sport that is 353 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: predicated on failure? Baseball is a game or failure is crooks. 354 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: In other words, in a game where striking out is 355 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: the norm, black players couldn't really afford to strike out 356 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: even under the best of circumstances. You're under extraordinary psychic strain. 357 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,199 Speaker 1: So add to that, some people would come to the 358 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:21,360 Speaker 1: games for the express purpose of jeering him, of insulting him. 359 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was a microcosm of the world itself 360 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: or our country itself. I mean that that's what it 361 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: was like at that time. And Otis Livingston says, It's 362 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: not like things were any easier off the field. Couldn't 363 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: stay in the same hotels with his teammates, couldn't needed 364 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 1: the same restaurants. His family was not there to even 365 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: lean on. DOBIE's second season with the Indians got off 366 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: to an equally rocky start. He worried that if he 367 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: didn't turn things around, he'd be demoted and sent to 368 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: play in the minor leagues. But in he hit his 369 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: stride and by the end of the season, he brought 370 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: his batting average up to three oh one, one of 371 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: the best on the team, and later that year, Dobie 372 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: set another milestone. He and his teammates Satchel Paige, who 373 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,640 Speaker 1: had joined the Indians from the Negro Leagues that July, 374 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: became the first black players to make it to the 375 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 1: World Series. Game four of that series between Cleveland and 376 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: the Boston Braves would be one of the most important 377 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 1: of his life, and the third inning, with two outs, 378 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: Adobe stepped up to the plate. First pitch strike, but 379 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: on the second Pitchdobe hit the ball hard. Indiandobe rockets 380 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: stays high, fast pitch for the kipt to mars Abi 381 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: more than four feet into the right seal cloud. DOBIE's 382 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 1: round trip is the first home run of the series. 383 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: Larry Adobe became the first black player to hit a 384 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 1: home run in a World Series, a game winning home run, 385 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: But what happened afterward between Doobe and Cleveland pitcher Steve 386 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 1: Gromick made be even more significant. After the game, they 387 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:08,719 Speaker 1: rush into the clubhouse jubilant, happy, and a photographer from 388 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: the Associated Press captures the image of Gromic Adobe hugging 389 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 1: each other with big smiles on their face. It's a 390 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: completely wonderful photograph. If you haven't seen it, I urge 391 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: you to google it. The smiles on their faces, the 392 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 1: sheer joy. They're like two little boys who just couldn't 393 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 1: be happier to be playing with each other. Their cheek 394 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:37,239 Speaker 1: to cheek, but also their arms just there. They're they're intertwine, right, 395 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,439 Speaker 1: is almost symbolic of becoming one against all odds, not 396 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: just the baseball odge, but against this segregation. The photo 397 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,919 Speaker 1: ran in newspapers across the country. Americans everywhere saw a 398 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: black man and a white man embrace in celebration. It 399 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: became a symbol of this great experiment of getting along, 400 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 1: playing together, accomplishing something, and just loving each other for 401 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: his special Otis asked Adobe's son, Larry Adobe Jr. About 402 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,639 Speaker 1: the picture. When I see it, I just see two 403 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: people who are extremely happy they won, and they don't 404 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,719 Speaker 1: care about what color skin each one is. It's just 405 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: like they love each other for winning. One guy picks great, 406 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 1: one guy hit great, and they're just overjoyed. Probably my 407 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 1: father's happiest moment in baseball. The love continued as the 408 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: team went on to win the World Series and the 409 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 1: nine team forty eight World Series is all over. The 410 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 1: Cleveland Indians take the series four games to two. After 411 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 1: the final out of the final game, the players ran 412 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: onto the infield. You could see it in the video. 413 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: Adobe's number four team gets lost in the celebrating swarm. 414 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 1: Every amount on the team share his credit for the 415 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: clown the weird and about it too was. Years later, 416 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: he would admit that he really didn't think of it 417 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: as a big deal. Bill Veck kept telling him, you're 418 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 1: gonna make history. You're making history, You're doing this, and 419 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: he didn't really grasp it at the time, you know, 420 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: as he was going through it. Whendobe and Cleveland won 421 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 1: that World Series, there were just five black players in 422 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: the majors, less than one percent of the league by 423 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: the time Doobe retired from baseball. In nine of major 424 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: league players or black. Three years after the World Series win, 425 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: the people of Patterson, New Jersey, helped pay off the 426 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: rest of their hometown heroes mortgage Jobie burned the mortgage 427 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 1: paperwork before a game against the New York Yankees. Either way. 428 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: Years after he retired as a player, Larry Adobe went 429 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: on to become the manager of the Chicago White Sox, 430 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 1: the second black manager in May Your League Baseball. Larry 431 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: Adobe was seventy nine when he died on June two 432 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: thousand three, but he lived to see his number retired 433 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: by Cleveland in four and in in Cooperstown, New York, 434 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 1: he was inducted into the National Baseball Hall of Fame. 435 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: It's a very tough thing to look back and think 436 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: about things that we're probably negative, because you put those 437 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: things on the back burning you're proud and happy that 438 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: you've been in part of integrating baseball to show people 439 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: that we can live together, we can work together, we 440 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 1: can play together, and we can be successful together. And 441 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: I'm very happy and proud that I've been a part 442 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: of this baseball and I'm still a part of it. Occasionally, 443 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: during their earliest days in major leagues, Jackie Robinson and 444 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: Larry Dobie would talk over the phone at night after games, 445 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: sharing their experiences. It makes sense these were two men who, 446 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 1: for a time were the only ones who really understood 447 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: what the other one was going through in a league 448 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: all by themselves, both of them history makers. Jackie Robinson's 449 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 1: breaking of Major League baseball's calib area carried the same 450 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 1: level of euphoria that we saw as a nation when 451 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: Neil Armstrong landed on the moon. So for black folks, 452 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 1: Jackie Robinson was our Neil Armstrong. He was the proverbial 453 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: first man to walk on the moon. Well, Larry Dobee 454 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: is our buzz all. Speaking of astronauts, coming up the 455 00:30:53,280 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: story of the second American woman in space, May I ask, 456 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: is Dr Judy Resnick nearby? Mr? President Judy? How is 457 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: it your first flight? How's it going? Is it all 458 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: that you hoped it would be? I couldn't have picked 459 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: a better crew to be flying with. That's President Ronald 460 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: Reagan calling the crew of the Space Shuttle Discovery on 461 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: September one, and chatting with Judith Resnick, who a few 462 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: days earlier had become the second American woman to go 463 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:40,239 Speaker 1: into space. Not that Judy, that's what everyone called her. 464 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: Cared much about the distinction of being first or second. 465 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: It's a profession for me, and the excitement is there 466 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,959 Speaker 1: every day. As she once told her father, she just 467 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 1: wanted to be known as an astronaut period. In fact, 468 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: she was a lot more than that. Funny, good looking, 469 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 1: and very sociable. She had just incredible talents in academics. 470 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 1: She'd sit in class, she would just get it, get 471 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 1: it all and understand it. This is a woman who 472 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 1: is brilliant in music. She just loved piano and she 473 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: was an incredible pianist. And in the kitchen, the three 474 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: lessons she taught me about cooking where you know number 475 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: one double the garlic, two half the salt. Uh, and 476 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 1: then stir with your right hand while you drink with 477 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: your left. That's Mike old Dack. He met Judy in 478 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: college at Carnegie Tech today known as Carnegie Mellon. The 479 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:41,479 Speaker 1: two would later marry. My roommate introduced us and and 480 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: that was it. And was there an incident chemistry? Uh yeah, 481 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: pretty much get progress pretty quickly. We just sort of 482 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: settled in together. Judy had grown up in Acron, Ohio, 483 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 1: the daughter of Ukrainian Jewish immigrants. She was close with 484 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: her father, but had a complicated relationship with her mother. 485 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: Life at home wasn't always easy. Her parents would divorce 486 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 1: when she was a teen, but that didn't seem to 487 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: hold her back. She showed so much promise as a 488 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 1: musician she considered becoming a concert pianist. She was a 489 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: star student, getting a perfect score on her s A 490 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: T S and graduating as valedictorian of her class. She 491 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 1: had the quote brain of a scientist and the soul 492 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: of a poet, her father, Marvin Resnick, would later say. 493 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 1: At Carnegie, Judy started off as a math major, but 494 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: after attending some of Mike's classes, she switched to electrical engineering, 495 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,479 Speaker 1: becoming one of only three women in that field at 496 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 1: the university. Do you think she was intimidated by being 497 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 1: one of just three women in the program. I don't 498 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: think she was intimidated. She just took it in stride. 499 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: Her abilities just paved the way. After graduation in Judy 500 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: and Mike tied the knot and both took jobs in 501 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 1: the Missile and Surface Radar division of our CI. A sidebar. 502 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,720 Speaker 1: I can't be the only one who hears our CIA 503 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 1: and insidantally thinks of a little dog listening to an 504 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 1: old timey phonograph. Great logo, right well. Our CIER was 505 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 1: also a major defense contractor building advanced weapons systems. I 506 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: will admit Judy was paid more than me. It was 507 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 1: back in seventy We both came on as design engineers, 508 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,360 Speaker 1: and she got more money than I did, and she 509 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,400 Speaker 1: graduated a lot higher than I did. Mike ended up 510 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,879 Speaker 1: switching careers to law, while Judy stayed in engineering while 511 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,880 Speaker 1: also going to school, eventually getting her PhD. She developed 512 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 1: a few things that our cier patented. This was in 513 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 1: large scale integration for computers. She was so competent that 514 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: it didn't seem like an effort for her. It was 515 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: a busy and exciting time. But in Judy and Mike 516 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,360 Speaker 1: made the difficult decision to end their marriage. Why didn't 517 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 1: the marriage work. I've heard it described as a failed marriage, 518 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 1: and I reject that. I think it's more of Judy 519 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 1: and I decided that we really wanted different things out 520 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: of our future. I wanted a family, and at that 521 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: point she had changed her mind and decides she did 522 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,319 Speaker 1: not want a family. You know, I always believe that 523 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 1: not all people in love should be married. And we 524 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: sort of let each other go and do our own things. 525 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: We stayed very close. Judy headed west to California and 526 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,839 Speaker 1: a new adventure. In nine seventy six, NASA announced that 527 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,319 Speaker 1: it was quote committed to an affirmative action program with 528 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,799 Speaker 1: a goal of having qualified minorities and women among the 529 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 1: newly selected astronaut candidates for its brand new space Shuttle program. 530 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:54,280 Speaker 1: The celebrity who became a spokesperson for this campaign, I'm 531 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: thinking to the whole family of human kind, of minorities 532 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 1: and women alive. If you qualify and would like to 533 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: be an astronaut, now is the time. The late great 534 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 1: Nachelle Nichols, this is your NASA, a space agency embarked 535 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,880 Speaker 1: on a mission to improve the quality of life on 536 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:18,960 Speaker 1: planet Earth right now, who had famously played Lieutenant Ukura 537 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 1: on Star Trek Transmission to start complete, Nichols used her 538 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,719 Speaker 1: star power, so to speak, traveling around the country to 539 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:33,800 Speaker 1: recruit a next generation of astronauts. Among those who answered 540 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 1: NASA's recruitment call, Judith Resnick, when you're when you're a 541 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 1: old girl growing up an acron ohio astronauts someday. No. 542 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 1: I really didn't think about it until when NASA announced 543 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 1: that they were looking for astronauts who would be uh 544 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 1: engineers and scientists on Spacehell. And then I just took 545 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 1: a chance and applies. Making it her goal to be 546 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,920 Speaker 1: the best candidate she could be. Judy got her pilot's 547 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,720 Speaker 1: license and underwent intense training to get into physical shape. 548 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:04,880 Speaker 1: It worked by she was in. This is Judy Resnick, 549 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,320 Speaker 1: age twenty nine. She has a doctorate and electrical engineering 550 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,799 Speaker 1: and is one of America's first woman astronauts. She in 551 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 1: thirty four other new astronauts began their training today at 552 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,880 Speaker 1: the Johnson Space Center. In her astronaut class, Judy was 553 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:24,400 Speaker 1: one of six women, including Sally Ride. Judy threw herself 554 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 1: into the rigorous, years long Shuttle training, but also knew 555 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 1: when to have a little fun. She went by the 556 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 1: nickname j R. Not clear if it had anything to 557 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 1: do with the TV show Dallas, a huge hit at 558 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,239 Speaker 1: the time. A fellow astronaut would remember Judy as a 559 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 1: live wire and a star attraction during trips and happy hour. 560 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 1: If Judy had any desire to become the first American 561 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,680 Speaker 1: woman in space, she didn't say so out loud. What 562 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,600 Speaker 1: kind of mission do you want to fly? Do you know? 563 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 1: I'd like to fly any mission? Actually, um, the intent 564 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,920 Speaker 1: of a mission specialist is to train us to be generalist, 565 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 1: since to learn a little bit about every field, and 566 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 1: that I would be glad to flying anything that they 567 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 1: let me fly. And when the time came for crew 568 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 1: assignments in ninety three, it turned out, Judy would have 569 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,719 Speaker 1: to wait some u s space history is to be 570 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,279 Speaker 1: made up there on launch pad thirty nine A well, 571 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,840 Speaker 1: the first time an American woman will be launched into space. 572 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,919 Speaker 1: Her name is Sally Ride. Quick history lesson here. While 573 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,840 Speaker 1: Sally Ride was the first American woman in space, she 574 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,920 Speaker 1: was not the first woman in space. That honor went 575 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:38,000 Speaker 1: to Soviet cosmonaut Valentina Tereshkova, who had soared into the 576 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 1: record books back in nineteen sixty three, twenty years before Ride, 577 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,720 Speaker 1: and as the first ever space girl, Valentina teres Cova 578 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,360 Speaker 1: is one of place in history. What a triumph for 579 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:52,799 Speaker 1: Russian science. Now, Sally Ride's ride was still a very 580 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:57,200 Speaker 1: big deal, and just one year later it was Judy's turn. 581 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,279 Speaker 1: She was a mission specialist on the base Shuttle Discovery 582 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 1: that existent and we have lipped off, lipped off and 583 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,479 Speaker 1: missing ploty. One day the first flight of the Abit 584 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 1: of Discovery and the Shuttle has cleared the power. As 585 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 1: the Shuttle went into orbit, Judy radioed back to mission 586 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 1: control that Earth looks great. She had serious work to do, 587 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,480 Speaker 1: but in photos and videos from the mission she looks 588 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,400 Speaker 1: like she's having the time of her life. She holds 589 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 1: up a sign that reads hi Dad. In the background 590 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,040 Speaker 1: you can see an I heart Tom Selleck sticker slapped 591 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 1: onto her locker. This was in his magnum p I Heyday. 592 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 1: At one point she dawns Aviator sunglasses. Now, Judy had 593 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,360 Speaker 1: become the second American woman to go into space, but 594 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 1: she was also the first Jewish astronaut to go into space. 595 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 1: It's another distinction she wasn't vocal about. But her former 596 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,840 Speaker 1: husband Mike Oldack says, there's more to the story. I 597 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:58,319 Speaker 1: think that's misconstrue that she had given up her Judyism, 598 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 1: and I think anything but Judy did not want to 599 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:06,200 Speaker 1: be known as the first Jewish astronaut. As she said 600 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 1: directly to me, I'm an astronaut who happens to be 601 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,640 Speaker 1: a woman who happens to be Jewish, who happens to 602 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,279 Speaker 1: have brown hair. She was very firm in saying that's 603 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:20,000 Speaker 1: who I am. She didn't want the other labels Jewish woman, 604 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:24,279 Speaker 1: brown hair. Well. The only issue I have with that, 605 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:31,120 Speaker 1: if I may, is that she had amazing hair. Yes, 606 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,800 Speaker 1: she really did. Yes, Yeah, that was the first real 607 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:43,200 Speaker 1: hair in space. I think most of those other astronauts 608 00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 1: were former air Force pilots and had buzz cuts. Discoveries 609 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,120 Speaker 1: mission went off without a hitch. Of course, the first 610 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 1: landing to Discovery Actor, a maiden flight that's been termed 611 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:58,520 Speaker 1: a major success. If flying into outer space made Judy nervous, 612 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,600 Speaker 1: she didn't sound like it. As she told one writer, 613 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,360 Speaker 1: it does not enter any of our minds that it 614 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,920 Speaker 1: is dangerous. The world might think it is, we don't. 615 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,240 Speaker 1: I think something is dangerous only if you're not prepared 616 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,919 Speaker 1: for it, or you don't have control over it. Less 617 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,359 Speaker 1: than two years after Judy's voyage on Discovery came her 618 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:25,399 Speaker 1: next mission, aboard the Challenger and lift off. Lift off 619 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,240 Speaker 1: the twenty five Space Shuttle mission. And it is clears 620 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:33,400 Speaker 1: the tower. Where did you watch the launch from? I 621 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,319 Speaker 1: actually was at my office and uh, we didn't really 622 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,879 Speaker 1: have too many TVs there. And I got a call 623 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:45,920 Speaker 1: from my mother, uh in tears, telling me that the 624 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:54,040 Speaker 1: shovel blown up. On the morning of January, the Space 625 00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:59,080 Speaker 1: Shuttle Challenger exploded seventy three seconds after liftoff, killing all 626 00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:03,160 Speaker 1: seven crew members a board, including civilian astronaut and teacher 627 00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:08,160 Speaker 1: Kristi McAuliffe and Judith Resnick By controllers here looking very 628 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:14,280 Speaker 1: carefully in the situation obviously a major malfunction. It happened 629 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,279 Speaker 1: to be my seventeenth birthday. I was a junior in 630 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,160 Speaker 1: high school, and I can still see the student who 631 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,920 Speaker 1: ran into the cafeteria at lunch and told us I 632 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:28,120 Speaker 1: just remember. I couldn't believe it. The crew of the 633 00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,919 Speaker 1: Space Shuttle Challenger honored us with the manner in which 634 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,719 Speaker 1: they lived their lives. We will never forget them, nor 635 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,000 Speaker 1: the last time we saw them this morning, as they 636 00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:42,680 Speaker 1: prepared for their journey and waved goodbye and slipped the 637 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,240 Speaker 1: surly bonds of Earth to touch the face of God. 638 00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:52,359 Speaker 1: An investigation would later determine that unexpectedly cold temperatures had 639 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,879 Speaker 1: impacted the O ring seals in one of the rocket boosters, 640 00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,080 Speaker 1: causing an explosion. I think a lot of us have 641 00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,880 Speaker 1: forgotten that space travel could be dangerous. The Shuttle was 642 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,239 Speaker 1: just so sleek on TV. It looked almost like a 643 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:10,279 Speaker 1: high tech toy. It didn't seem risky at all, but 644 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:14,680 Speaker 1: of course it was. In the years after the explosion, 645 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,480 Speaker 1: the US government and Morton Thaia call, the manufacturer of 646 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,840 Speaker 1: the rocket boosters, would attempt to settle with the families 647 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,680 Speaker 1: of the Challenger crew. The initial offers were calculated with 648 00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,920 Speaker 1: the formula factoring in whether a crew member was survived 649 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:33,320 Speaker 1: by a spouse and her children. Judy's former husband, Mike Oldak, 650 00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,800 Speaker 1: by then a practicing attorney, didn't think this was fair 651 00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,280 Speaker 1: and took legal action on behalf of the Resident family. 652 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:45,840 Speaker 1: Each spouse would get X, each child would get Why, Oh, 653 00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,839 Speaker 1: Judy is not married and didn't have many kids. Too bad, 654 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,200 Speaker 1: We'll give her, you know, just a small amount. And 655 00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:56,880 Speaker 1: I said no. Finally, after about a year and a half, 656 00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:01,719 Speaker 1: settled with Martin Ya Cale for exactly what Judie's father 657 00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:06,880 Speaker 1: and brother wanted. What was motivating you when I decided 658 00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:11,480 Speaker 1: that engineering made a better hobby than a profession. Uh, 659 00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,600 Speaker 1: And I became a full time law student, and so 660 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,480 Speaker 1: she was a big breadwinner in her family. Judy put 661 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,520 Speaker 1: me in law school. I felt I owed her family 662 00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:26,680 Speaker 1: and I wanted to do it. How will you remember Judy? 663 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,279 Speaker 1: If there's one image that pops into your mind when 664 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 1: you think of her, what is it? Probably just smiling? 665 00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,760 Speaker 1: I mean, she was a very happy person and smiled 666 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,800 Speaker 1: a lot. And uh, I knew what she wanted. Judith 667 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,840 Speaker 1: Resident wasn't the first woman in space She's probably not 668 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:46,920 Speaker 1: the first name that comes to mind when you think 669 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,440 Speaker 1: about the crew of the Challenger. She probably would be 670 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:54,560 Speaker 1: fine with that number one, number two. They were just 671 00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:59,120 Speaker 1: numbers to her. She wanted to do something significant, not 672 00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:04,600 Speaker 1: necessarily be someone significant. Judy was an astronaut. She was 673 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:09,160 Speaker 1: also an exceptional human being who deserved all the recognition 674 00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:24,840 Speaker 1: she never quite received. I certainly hope you enjoyed this mobituary. 675 00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,080 Speaker 1: May I ask you to please rate and review our podcast. 676 00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:32,040 Speaker 1: You can also follow Mobituaries on Facebook and Instagram, and 677 00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,640 Speaker 1: you can follow me on Twitter at Morocca. Here. All 678 00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:40,400 Speaker 1: new episodes of Mobituaries every Wednesday wherever you get your podcasts, 679 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,319 Speaker 1: and check out Mobituaries. Great Lives Worth Reliving, the New 680 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:48,959 Speaker 1: York Times best selling book, now available in paperback and audiobook. 681 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:53,160 Speaker 1: It includes plenty of stories not in the podcast. 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