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Speaker 1: Hello, I'm just get touching on and on werisday night

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Speaker 1: and welcome to Xtra Vision of the podcast where we

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Speaker 1: dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics, and pop culture.

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Speaker 1: Coming to you from my Heart podcast where we're bringing

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Speaker 1: you two episodes a week, every Tuesday and every Thursday.

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Speaker 2: In today's episode, it's a House of the Dragons smrga's

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Speaker 2: board of feasts and features and conversations and airlocks. In

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Speaker 2: the previously on, we're going to talk about George R. R.

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Speaker 2: Martin's blog posts Bomb Bomb Bomb. If you're in the

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Speaker 2: world of the Dragon, you will know about this blog post.

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Speaker 2: If you are not, we will give you a little

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Speaker 2: insight into it. In the airlock, we're going to be

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Speaker 2: looking back at House of the Dragons season one before

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Speaker 2: season two and the omnibus Jason deep dives with House

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Speaker 2: of the Dragon show run of Ryan.

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Speaker 3: Come, that's a guest.

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Speaker 2: For you, and we're gonna end the show with a

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Speaker 2: little Who's who about our favorite with George R. R.

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Speaker 2: Martin characters.

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Speaker 1: First up news in recent news Rosie George R. Martin,

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Speaker 1: creator of the Song of Ice and Fire series Out

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Speaker 1: of It that spawned the Game of Thrones, House of

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Speaker 1: the Dragon. He's also written for TV, wrote the cult

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Speaker 1: classic Beauty and the Beast series of various episodes of

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Speaker 1: the Twilight Zone, and more. Has posted to his not

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Speaker 1: a blog blog a post titled the Adaptation Tango That

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Speaker 1: Begins that talks about the state of adapting IP to

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Speaker 1: TV shows and movies. One would assume, Rosie, ye, it is,

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Speaker 1: I urge people to read the piece. It is mainly

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Speaker 1: a praise of for the producers and writers who adapted

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Speaker 1: Showgun and did it in such a authentic way to James

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Speaker 1: Clavel's vision. The blog post has a lot to say,

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Speaker 1: including this quote that was all back in twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 1: but very little has changed since then. If anything, things

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Speaker 1: have gotten worse. Everywhere you look, there are more screenwriters

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Speaker 1: them their own. He then goes on to note various

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Speaker 1: creators including Stanley, Questionmark but that's okay, Charles Dickens, Ian Fleming,

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Speaker 1: and Moore, who have been adapted and whose adaptations are

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Speaker 1: different than the original works, and George decries this. Why

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Speaker 1: is this important? Because George's works are currently being adapted

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Speaker 1: in the form of House of the Dragon and other

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Speaker 1: projects currently in development at HBO Max, including his Night

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Speaker 1: of the Seven Kingdom's project about the Duncan Egg stories.

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Speaker 1: And this is quite a provocative blog post, Rosie.

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Speaker 4: It feels like there are implications.

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Speaker 1: It feels like there's something implied.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is implication.

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Speaker 1: It feels like there's implications. To go out of your

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Speaker 3: It's very interesting.

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Speaker 2: I will also say I'm not trying to disagree with

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Speaker 4: But if James clavew was alive, he would probably.

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Speaker 1: I think he might have hated it.

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Speaker 2: It was so focused on the Japanese characters and the

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Speaker 2: But yes, this is heavy with implications and quite I like.

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Speaker 4: Your word provocative. It feels important.

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Speaker 1: It's provocative, and we should say that. You know, when adapting,

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Speaker 1: money is a finite resource. I don't know what you know,

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Speaker 1: decisions are made that I don't know why George is

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Speaker 4: You're just seeing might be the last we hear a bit.

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Speaker 1: I wonder, I do wonder. Up Next, we dive into

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Speaker 1: a House of the Dragon season one as we look

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Speaker 1: forward to season two. Okay, Rosie, let's do a speed

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Speaker 1: recap of everything that happened season one of House of

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Speaker 1: the Dragon. It opens with the end of the reign

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Speaker 1: of King Jaharis, the greatest king in west Rus's history.

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Speaker 1: He's got a big problem. Low, No, he just didn't

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Speaker 1: couldn't manage to do it. He had a lot of kids,

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Speaker 1: Shenanigans to a classic shenanigans. So what are we going

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Speaker 1: The realm gets together at a great council and votes,

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Speaker 1: That's it. And the story ended there.

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Speaker 1: But you know a lot of people had misgivings, chief

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Speaker 1: This guy, member of powerful high Tower family of Old Town.

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Speaker 1: He manipulates his daughter and Raniera's best friend forever, Allison

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Speaker 1: absolutely no time. He does not wait for the morning

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Speaker 1: period to end. He's just like Allison, go put on

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Speaker 1: your mother's dress. By the way, she's like a child.

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Speaker 1: And she does this and soon they are married, which

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Speaker 1: is exactly what Otto is hoping for. And soon after that,

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Speaker 1: Alison gives birth to a son, Prince Egon. Uh oh. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: Raniera creates huge pr problems for the kingdom by hooking

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Speaker 1: It probably killed his wife death slash definitely did it.

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Speaker 1: Slash absolutely killed his wife. We've smirched every way to

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Speaker 1: the Damon thing and he banishes Damon. He then tells Ranera, listen,

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Speaker 1: Our ancestor who conquered this continent had a top secret

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Speaker 1: of ice and fire. So Raniera's like, okay, you're right, dad,

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Speaker 1: will marry Leonor Valerion. But I also have an ask,

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Speaker 1: and that is that Auto high Tower, who has been

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Speaker 1: I want him gone, and so Viceu's is like great

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Speaker 1: Auto's fired. Raniera gives birth to three boys, Jase, Luke,

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Speaker 1: and Joffrey, and they look nothing like Rania's husband, Leonor Valerian,

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Speaker 1: and they look quite a bit like Harwin Strong Chief,

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Speaker 1: you know, captain of the City Watch, who everybody calls

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Speaker 1: Breakbones because he's so big and strong, and he's also

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Speaker 1: Vissera's wants his children and grandchildren to get along, but

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Speaker 1: he's powerless to stop the family fracturing. In two, we

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Speaker 1: strong Curry's favor with Alison. Lara's the club foot by

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Speaker 1: having his brother Harwin and father Lionel and the King

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Speaker 1: When Damon's wife Lena dies in childbirth, Damon returns to

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Speaker 1: don't do it. Aimond, Alison's second son, steals Lena's former

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Speaker 1: dragon Vagar, sparking a kick fight in which Luke cuts

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Speaker 2: Very bad again, Like these children need to be raised parented.

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Speaker 1: Where is the King's guard through all of this? Don't

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Speaker 3: I need to know.

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Speaker 1: Alison goes nuts, tries to stab Raniera and later apologize

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Speaker 1: for it. But Otto is like, forget that I loved it.

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Speaker 1: I love that you tried to kill the queen. That

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Speaker 3: He's like to get you to do this all the time.

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Speaker 3: He's like, I don't care if you two had.

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Speaker 2: Obvious sapphic teenage lover vibes. He's like, I want you

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Speaker 2: to hate her. I need you to understand. This is

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Speaker 2: not Rosie's version of the story where you to admit

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Speaker 2: that you're in love with each other and then rule

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Speaker 3: No, this is the war version.

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Speaker 4: This is going to war.

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Speaker 3: You need to want to kill her.

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Speaker 1: Later, Damon and Raniera fake Layer's death so he can

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Speaker 3: That's actually very lovely.

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Speaker 1: That is a very very lovely thing that.

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Speaker 4: They actually do something good in this show.

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Speaker 1: I agree, a beautiful golden silver lining in these clouds

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Speaker 1: of darkness. Damon and Nier get married right afterwards. Corlis

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Speaker 1: that Jace, Luke and Joff are his grandchildren. That said,

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Speaker 1: the thought that Raniera might have killed the son, drives

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Speaker 1: of this cold war between the Greens and Lives.

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Speaker 2: I know we did bring this up, but it's gonna

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Speaker 2: be relevant when we talk about season two. Said like,

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Speaker 1: I think Renee might have agreed with it. I think

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Speaker 1: that Corlis is so his legacy, yeah that I think

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Speaker 1: that he would not go for it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: True.

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Speaker 1: Later Daymond Valerian, Corlis's brother, with Alison's support, files a

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Speaker 1: lawsuit with the Crown against Luceras Valerian, claiming that he

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Speaker 1: Vaymon should by rights inherit the family seat of drift Marks,

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Speaker 1: since Luke and his brothers are not Leanor's kids and

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Speaker 1: everybody knows it, do they not. Visaris is by this

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Speaker 1: I think Raniera is the air. She has the moral

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Speaker 3: So I just think he didn't do a good job.

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Speaker 3: He's trying to do what he can.

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Speaker 1: Here's who I hate, Christian call in cell the fucking

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Speaker 1: They broke up because Kristin Cole said the following, He's like, hey, yeah, Ranier.

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Speaker 2: The thing is like, by not doing that one because

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Speaker 1: That's right. Not only that, Kristen, not only did she

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Speaker 1: Next you can't propose to the the person who will

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Speaker 2: Really excited to see more Dragons, I wrote. I wrote

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Speaker 2: struggled with over a long period of time.

433
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Speaker 3: But House the Dragon seems to.

434
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Speaker 2: Be doing really, really well, and I'm just excited to

435
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Speaker 2: learn more about these female characters, to see new dragon writers,

436
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 2: to see new dragons, to talk about it with you,

437
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Speaker 2: because it's like a lot of fun.

438
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Speaker 3: But I am gonna be.

439
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Speaker 2: Like heartbroken because I am a I'm I'm a Ranierer

440
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 2: Allison Shipper, and it's gonna be hard to see them

441
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 2: at war.

442
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Speaker 3: That is my.

443
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Speaker 1: Pradiction in the thing I am. I'm both. It's super

444
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Speaker 1: super excited for this upcoming season. It's gonna be There

445
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: are a lot of notable time jumps in season one.

446
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Speaker 1: That's out of the that's out of the way in

447
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Speaker 1: season two. The showrunners have talked about that this is

448
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 1: just basically now a story that is going to unfold

449
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 1: in a typically chronological manner. Now, so that's going to

450
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Speaker 1: add a lot of intensity excitement. But as a person

451
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Speaker 1: who is aware of what happens in this story, I'm

452
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Speaker 1: also looking forward to this season with quite a bit

453
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Speaker 1: of anxiety. Bad things are gonna happen to everyone, and

454
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Speaker 1: bad things are gonna happen to good people, and bad

455
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Speaker 1: things are gonna happen to innocent people, and I am

456
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Speaker 1: dreading it a little bit. I will say this too.

457
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Speaker 1: I wonder if you know, looking back at Game of Thrones,

458
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: Tyrian Lanister is such an important character in a way

459
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Speaker 1: that I think is underrated because He brought a mirth,

460
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 1: a quick witted kind of acerbicness that I think we

461
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 1: might need a little bit of lift of someone to

462
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 1: crack some one liners because the amount of death and

463
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Speaker 1: misery that's coming. You know, if they hew closely to

464
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Speaker 1: the story in the books, as we know George wants

465
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Speaker 1: them to, then I think we're gonna need a little

466
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Speaker 1: We're gonna need some reasons to smile, because it might

467
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Speaker 1: it might get really really intense, really really quick. That

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Speaker 1: is my thought. Up next, an interview with House of

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Speaker 1: the Dragon show runner Ryan Conton.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to another edition of the Omnibus where law, analysis

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Speaker 2: and understanding come together. Today, Jason concepts you and have

472
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,199
Speaker 2: you heard of him. He's going to be chatting to

473
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Speaker 2: He's the host of the official House of Tracking podcast

474
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Speaker 2: and he's going to be chatting too. House the Dragon

475
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 2: show runner Ryan Condall.

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Speaker 1: Ryan, thanks so much for joining us. Really appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: Thanks Jason, good to see you.

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Speaker 1: Wonderful to see you again. Did you get to enjoy

479
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: the reaction to season one at all before diving right

480
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 1: back into it or is it just right back to

481
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Speaker 1: the mines we were?

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Speaker 5: We were we were deep in the minds already, So yeah,

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Speaker 5: I mean I got to enjoy it. I had this

484
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 5: surreal moment where I've inherited a Premiere League club out

485
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Speaker 5: here in the Tottenham Hotspur and Oka. I have a

486
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 5: very good friend of mine is as being a supporter

487
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 5: for a very long time and knows knows people in

488
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Speaker 5: in in the club and said that I was a fan,

489
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 5: and then they got excited because they were fans of

490
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 5: the show and of course the original Game of Thrones

491
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 5: for the the first show, and they invited me to

492
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Speaker 5: a game and I got I sat in the owner's

493
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Speaker 5: box and they brought me down on the field for

494
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Speaker 5: an oscar let and they gave me a jersey with

495
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 5: my name and it was crazy, and I was standing

496
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Speaker 5: there like just thinking this is this is insane. And

497
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Speaker 5: there were moments like that I think throughout season one

498
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Speaker 5: that have never happened to me before in doing this job.

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Speaker 5: So I did get to enjoy that part a bit.

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Speaker 1: That's wonderful. Did that bring you into conflict with any

501
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: of the Arsenal supporters in the cast and crew. I

502
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 1: believe Tom Glencardi is an Arsenal guy, but I'm not sure.

503
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, we try not to talk about all of it,

504
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 5: because I mean, I'm not you know, it's not it's ye,

505
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 5: I'm a I inherited this team. It's not in my

506
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 5: blood the way that the New York Football Giants are

507
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 5: so where it's much more tribal for me. But no,

508
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 5: I'm always fascinated. It's a thing out here. You always

509
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 5: ask where are you from? Who do you support? Because

510
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 5: there's so many different leagues. It's not just the Premiership.

511
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 5: There's the Championship League, and then the league's below like

512
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 5: the Rexhamer in and all that, So everybody always has

513
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 5: a different answer. But there are lots of Arsenal fans

514
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 5: on these parts, so I try not to wear my

515
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 5: cap too much.

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Speaker 1: One of the speaking of blood but also fire. There

517
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: are so many moments in season one where I'm feeling like,

518
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: oh gosh, there's an off ramp here maybe and if

519
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: they miss it then there's no turning back. Is there

520
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: Is there anything that could have been done at any

521
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: point to avert this war?

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Speaker 5: I think there. I think you're correct in saying I

523
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 5: think there were many off ramps, or or also possibly none.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's so.

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Speaker 1: Hard to say.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I think viserus unfortunately for poor Visius,

527
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 5: who just wanted everybody to be happy and get along

528
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 5: so that he could read his histories and work on

529
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,959
Speaker 5: his philosophies. I think I think it's it's really his shortcomings,

530
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,959
Speaker 5: and and we always talked about him as being a

531
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 5: good man and a great father, but a bad king.

532
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Speaker 5: At least a great father to Raniera. He had the

533
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Speaker 5: opportunities to stave off this war, and I think that's

534
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 5: one of the tragedies of this series and circumstances. His

535
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 5: the one thing that he stuck to for his whole life,

536
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 5: you know, all the way through. His final words, although

537
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 5: he didn't know who he was speaking to at the moment,

538
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 5: were in defense of this radical thing he did in

539
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 5: naming his daughter the heir to the throne. But that

540
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 5: is the thing that ultimately tore the kingdom apart in

541
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Speaker 5: the end, because it's such a patriarchal society and it's

542
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 5: so rooted in tradition, and this is the way things

543
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 5: are done, and we do not, as particularly in government,

544
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Speaker 5: we do not change this order that's been ordained by

545
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Speaker 5: the gods and all the targarians that came before, and

546
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Speaker 5: all the kings that even predated the Targarians. It's always

547
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,719
Speaker 5: been the first born son of the king of the

548
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 5: monarch is the one who, inherits and Bessarah's broke that

549
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 5: order and then wasn't strong enough to put the battlements

550
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Speaker 5: up in place around it to protect Rania, or to

551
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 5: give egg On something to help him in his side

552
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 5: of the family save face, or to make you know,

553
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 5: make alliances to make sure that Ottohai Tower couldn't execute

554
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 5: a coup, or that Auto High Tower was in hand,

555
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 5: so it didn't have the power to be that close

556
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 5: to the throne. It's just it's Visceras's weakness that ultimately

557
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 5: leads to this. And then of course there's all the

558
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 5: little moments and the infighting that happened all the way

559
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 5: along that engender this sort of you know, green and

560
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 5: Black divide, this entrenchment that we see happen over the

561
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 5: course of the first season.

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Speaker 1: One of my absolute favorite moments from season one is

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Speaker 1: the conversation that Rainie's has with Alison when Renie's essentially

564
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Speaker 1: a prisoner in King's landing and says to Alison, you know,

565
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Speaker 1: have you ever imagined yourself ruling? And I'm going to

566
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: paraphrase now and absolutely mangle the beautiful dialogue here, but

567
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: you know saying, you know, what you're seeing is is

568
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: a window to freedom, but you're still in the prison

569
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Speaker 1: created by these men. What was Renee waiting for? What

570
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: was she hoping for before she essentially makes a decision

571
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Speaker 1: to take a side. What did she want to hear

572
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: from Alison or anyone?

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think I think Rainie's is dealing with

574
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Speaker 5: her own grief over the fact that she was originally

575
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 5: passed over, and she was probably Rainis. I mean, we've

576
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 5: spent a lot of time with her now, she was

577
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 5: probably more suited personality wise for the job of rule

578
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 5: than Visera's and for the same reason that Eggon is

579
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 5: now usurping and challenging the throne. Raini's was passed over

580
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 5: at the Great Council, but Jaharis was a better king

581
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 5: and he knew that just naming her would probably lead

582
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 5: to a war, so he put the vote to the lords.

583
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Speaker 5: You guys decide, You tell us how law and tradition

584
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 5: is going to be moving forward. So I think in

585
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 5: her conversation with Alison, I think that's what she's wrestling with,

586
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 5: and I think she's trying to she probably doesn't. I mean,

587
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Speaker 5: Rainie's probably an Allison at this point. I would guess

588
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 5: they've had a couple of shallow conversations over the course

589
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 5: of their life, and I don't think Rainis knows much

590
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 5: about Allison at this point and is trying to get

591
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 5: under the skin to figure out who this person actually

592
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 5: is before she makes her daring escape attempt to try

593
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 5: to get out of King's Landing and go to Dragonstone

594
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 5: to pledge your support for Visaras's her cousin's chosen air.

595
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: Fire and Blood. The source material for House the Dragon

596
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: is written from the perspective of several different, unreliable historical chroniclers.

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Speaker 1: How did that affect your adaptation?

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Speaker 5: I mean, it is the adaptation. It's I always say

599
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 5: this is it's a screenwriter's dream because it's a it's

600
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 5: an adaptation that provides a ton of latitude for invention

601
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 5: and interpretation. But it's also screenwriter's nightmare because I do

602
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 5: have to we as the creative team with me, make

603
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 5: you know, making the kind of fine I'm King Jaharis

604
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Speaker 5: in this I have I have a council of great

605
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 5: council of lords and ladies that stand around me, and

606
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 5: I have to make the final rulings on things. And

607
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 5: it's very challenging because on the face of it, it

608
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 5: requires you to invent a whole a whole lot just

609
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 5: because of the nature of the book. It's an outline

610
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 5: of historical events that does not have scenes and a

611
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 5: narrative in the you know, most strictest of senses. And

612
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 5: also these characters didn't didn't live through this time, so

613
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 5: they are I mean, Mushroom did, if you believe that

614
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 5: Mushroom existed and was there, But the others are. It's

615
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 5: more like the Gospel in the Bible. I think I

616
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 5: forget which one forgive me. My biblical history is from

617
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 5: my Augustinian education is failing me. But I think the

618
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 5: gospel that was written the closest to the man who

619
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 5: is Jesus was thirty years after his death. So even that,

620
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Speaker 5: I mean, we can't agree on We can't agree on

621
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Speaker 5: something that happened last week that was filmed on television

622
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 5: that we all witnessed. So trying to pair through that

623
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Speaker 5: history and find the central through line through it is challenging,

624
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 5: as you know, as an adapter, and you have to

625
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 5: you have to fold things together and keep the narrative

626
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,879
Speaker 5: moving and you have to invent but try to keep,

627
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 5: you know, honoring the history. So it does, you know,

628
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 5: drive our minds into pretzel knots quite often. But in

629
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Speaker 5: the end it's a very rewarding and fun creative challenge

630
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 5: because you get to bring this thing that is a

631
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 5: different medium to it's not a dramatic narrative in the

632
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 5: most traditional senses, and we get to bring it to life.

633
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 5: And I think in the most open interpretation of Fire

634
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 5: and Blood next to House of the Dragon, a fan

635
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 5: that has read the text and watched the show, hopefully

636
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 5: each enhances the enjoyment of the other, where you get

637
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 5: to see how we're playing with the interpretation of the history.

638
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 5: And if you've only watched the show and you go

639
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 5: back and read the book, you get to see how

640
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 5: it goes in the other direction, and you get to

641
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 5: try to hopefully guess as to how things are going

642
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 5: to come together. And the things that are never given

643
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 5: in the book are the whyse because there's no you're

644
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 5: never inside the character's head, and I think those are

645
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 5: the most fun things to dramatize. But yes, it keeps

646
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 5: me up lying awake at night. Quite often.

647
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: We spent a lot of time over watching season one

648
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Speaker 1: and reading the books wondering what drives Damon, And I

649
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: think a lot of the other characters in this story

650
00:35:55,600 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: wonder what drives Damon? And I'm wondering, now, does Damon

651
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: know what drives Damon? What is it that motivates him?

652
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: It really seems at the tragically at the end of

653
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: season one that he is he's at war. He seems

654
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: very comfortable and ready to be there. But what is

655
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 1: it that he's what's his goal? What is he looking for?

656
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: Does he know?

657
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 5: I think Damon's goal through his through the ninety five

658
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 5: percent of season one was simply to find the love

659
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 5: and the respect of his brother. The thing that we

660
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,240
Speaker 5: always talked about in the room is that everybody around

661
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 5: Damon presumes that he wants the throne, But for Damon

662
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 5: to get the throne in any scenario, it requires his

663
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 5: brother to die, and he loves his brother so deeply.

664
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Speaker 5: It's a complicated love. It's a it's a love that

665
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 5: was you know, shows a childhood where certain emotions were

666
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 5: not modeled for him in the most healthy of ways.

667
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Speaker 5: So what we always said is Damon really during Visaras's

668
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 5: life Damon wanted to be Vizara's hand, not the king,

669
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Speaker 5: but Visaras's hand. He wanted to be the guy that

670
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Speaker 5: Visera's called up and chose to stand to decide and

671
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 5: be as most trusted. And the fact that it was

672
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 5: Otto High Tower, Damon's arch enemy, it drove him to

673
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 5: madness until the end of Visas. So I think when

674
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Speaker 5: Vices dies, it's this Damon is freed in a way

675
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 5: of this thing that tortured him his entire life because

676
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 5: his brother never accepted him in that way. And when

677
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 5: he grabs Raniera's throat in that very controversial moment at

678
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 5: the end at the end of season one, it's not

679
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 5: about Raniera as much as it is about Visers didn't

680
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 5: trust him enough to let him into this secret that

681
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 5: he instead chose to share with a fourteen year old

682
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 5: girl and name her heir. So now, as Damon sets

683
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 5: forward into season two, I think it's a fascinating question

684
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 5: that you're asking, is what does Damon want? And I

685
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,919
Speaker 5: think Damon is now starts from a place where he's

686
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 5: projecting Viceras's reign into Rnira. So Rniera is in a

687
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 5: way an embodiment of his brother and I'm going to

688
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 5: fight for the death for that thing so that the

689
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 5: Otto and his ilk don't win the prize in the end.

690
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 5: And I think the fun thing about Damon is he

691
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 5: of course grows and evolves over time, so we'll see

692
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 5: where that takes us. But to me, that's his starting point.

693
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Speaker 1: You mentioned the Eggon prophecy. You're also a huge fan

694
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 1: of these stories, Georgis works independent of being the showrunner

695
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: of House of the Dragon. One of the things that

696
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: as that I love to nerd out about, just I

697
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,280
Speaker 1: think about all the time is how the Eggon prophecy,

698
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 1: which was revealed by the show, could have influenced events

699
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,720
Speaker 1: in Westers For instance, you know, the tragedy at Summer

700
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: Haul may take on a different kind of significance. You

701
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: know if egg On the fifth knew about the prophecy.

702
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 1: Do you think about that at all, just from a

703
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: nerd perspective.

704
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 3: Oh totally.

705
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Speaker 5: I mean we've talked about this a whole lot, and

706
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 5: I think the fun of the fun of this is

707
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Speaker 5: that whenever you set out to make a prequel, I

708
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,399
Speaker 5: think the trick is made is why are we here?

709
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 5: Why are we telling this story? Beyond making money and

710
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 5: even the franchise going and putting butts in seats and

711
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 5: all the reason that we continued these big franchises, What

712
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,720
Speaker 5: is the actual creative reason that this prequel needs to exist?

713
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 5: And I think both the fun end the challenge of

714
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 5: this show is how far in the past it is,

715
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 5: and that makes it really cool because it unburdens you

716
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 5: from having to do the Oh, this is how you know,

717
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 5: this is how Indiana Jones got the scar in his chin,

718
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 5: and this is where he found the hat, and that's

719
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 5: how the you know, whoever got the lightsaber that they found.

720
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 5: Because there are no character interlinkages, so you're really talking

721
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 5: about the historical interlinkage between our period and the period

722
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 5: that we know very well that comes one hundred and

723
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 5: twenty years from now. So for us, the linkage is

724
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 5: very much based around the Targarian blood line and then

725
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 5: this secret that was very much alive in this era,

726
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 5: and then what happens to it after this civil war

727
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,280
Speaker 5: that we know is we know from the outside looking

728
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 5: in is the worst to ever be fought. And at

729
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 5: the end of it, whether it's a result of this

730
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 5: war just a result of the events that are set

731
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,760
Speaker 5: in motion, all of the Dragon die off and don't

732
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 5: exist again until they're born again to Denaris Targarian, the

733
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 5: beggar Queen or the beggar Princess at that point. Yeah,

734
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 5: in the story of Song of Ice and Fire. So

735
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 5: I think that's the fun of it. And look, I

736
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 5: don't know whether I'll ever tell another one of these stories,

737
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 5: but there is so much rich Targarian history that happens

738
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 5: between here and there. I think you're asking a key

739
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 5: and great question that hopefully somebody like me that is

740
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 5: enthused about this world gets to play with an answer.

741
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 5: I think at some point in the future is like,

742
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 5: how does that secret live on? And how does it

743
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 5: live on? And what happens and how does it influence

744
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 5: the rains to come?

745
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: I completely agree. I love thinking about it. Back to

746
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: the show, which faction in your mind, black or green

747
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: or some shade in between. What's the best outcome for

748
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:53,720
Speaker 1: west Ross, for its people that gives the least amount

749
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 1: of destruction across loss of life, loss of treasure, etc.

750
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 1: What's the best way out of this?

751
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 5: I mean, that's so hard to say. I have to

752
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 5: get in my medieval DeLorean and go back to Visaras

753
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 5: and get him to take a stand more in his life,

754
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 5: and maybe maybe he doesn't. Maybe if he doesn't get ill,

755
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 5: maybe he does. He does something stronger in the end,

756
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 5: take a stronger stand before the end, and it's probably

757
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 5: some version of betrothing egg On to Rania or naming

758
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 5: you know, naming egg on the air afterwards and giving

759
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 5: Rniera us something enough that doesn't cause the other side

760
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 5: go to war. He's got to do something with Damon

761
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 5: because Damon's not going to let that stand. It's a

762
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 5: really hard question. It's a really hard question. But I

763
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 5: as of right now, as as this war takes off,

764
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 5: I honestly don't know what that answer is because I think,

765
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 5: and that's the fun of the story and also the

766
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 5: tragedy of it, is each of these the victor that

767
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 5: comes out of this, there is a complicated story that

768
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 5: follows them. I think on the face of it, Rnier

769
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 5: is probably a little bit more centered and assured at

770
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 5: the moment versus you know, where egg On is. But

771
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,879
Speaker 5: with her comes the thing that Otto warned us about

772
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 5: all through season one is the realm will never accept her.

773
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 5: And that doesn't mean individuals within the realm. It means

774
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 5: the realm as a united body, even in victory in battle,

775
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 5: after a long and bloody war, will they really accept

776
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 5: and bend the knee to a woman in the end.

777
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 5: And that's a big story that plays out this season.

778
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 5: Even within Raniera's own world, is her struggles to be

779
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 5: a queen to her own fiefdom and what that entails,

780
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 5: and you know the entrenched patriarchal attitudes that are so

781
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 5: alive in her period of history.

782
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: Well, you open the door. What can we expect? And

783
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: I'm sure you're going to give us. You're going to

784
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: stay within the guidelines and do this in the safest

785
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: and most responsible way, But what can we expect for

786
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: season two?

787
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 5: I mean, hopefully you know, should I just run down

788
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 5: all the character deaths just in alphabetic you want to

789
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 5: discuss it? My biggest hope is that the very nutritious

790
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 5: meal that we prepared for everybody in season one, and

791
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 5: the fact that everybody engaged with this really intricate Shakespearean

792
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 5: slash Greek tragedy that's all based around one house in

793
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 5: this one family, and getting to know all these family

794
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 5: members and sitting through multiple childbirths and weddings and marriages

795
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 5: and divorces, some of them forced by a Rock has

796
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,439
Speaker 5: built up the stakes to such a point where all

797
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 5: of the events as the dominoes start to fall in

798
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 5: season two, are not only satisfying on a sort of

799
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 5: visceral level week to week and the surprises, but that

800
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 5: because you understand all of the deep roots and history

801
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 5: that we set out in season one, that it becomes

802
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 5: greatly satisfying and we pick up right where we left off.

803
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 5: I mean, it's just a couple of days after the

804
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 5: events of season one. I really do think the things

805
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 5: that we work so hard to set up in season

806
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 5: one are paid off, one after the other after the other,

807
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 5: and the new things are set up as we move ahead.

808
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 5: But I think that the thing that I hope that

809
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 5: most for the audience in season two is a reward

810
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 5: for having engaged so deeply with season one.

811
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: Is there a person in this world right now you

812
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: mentioned Renie would be a great ruler who, if you

813
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: could pick them up and drop them down on the throne,

814
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: would be something like the ideal ruler, an upgrade, so

815
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 1: to speak.

816
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 5: Oh that's a good question.

817
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: Uh.

818
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 5: I think I actually think he's complicated. But I think

819
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 5: the Sea Snake would be a great, a great classic

820
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 5: monarch there's a bit of ego.

821
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 1: Wrap up in all of that.

822
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 5: But I think you know, Corlis has weathered and experienced

823
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 5: enough in his time. He's been he's actually been in

824
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 5: combat and had multiple near death experiences, so he knows

825
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 5: the cost of sending people off to war. He doesn't

826
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 5: have a dragon. He has good relationships with the family

827
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 5: that do have dragons. He's a self made man, as

828
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,919
Speaker 5: we know. He built he built his own castle, which

829
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 5: is such a kind of an unheard of thing in

830
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 5: this time. He's new money in a in a way.

831
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 5: So I think I think he because he he because

832
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 5: he's he's a he's a business owner, you know, he's

833
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 5: he's a he's a he's he's an entrepreneur. I think

834
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 5: he's very That suits him very well to be able

835
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,399
Speaker 5: to be just and and we've seen he he can

836
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 5: tell people how it is and make hard decisions and

837
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,240
Speaker 5: break some eggs along the way of making his making

838
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 5: his drif Markey and omlet. So I think, and I

839
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,240
Speaker 5: just love Steve Tossant, So I actually I want Steve

840
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 5: Tossant to be king.

841
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 1: There you go him personally. Okay, well, we now come

842
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: to probably your most important plug of the show tell

843
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: the audience about your the podcast you co host with

844
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: Deep show runner David Mandel, What Dreams Are Made Of?

845
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 5: Bless you, Jason, thank you. Yes, it's called The Stuff

846
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 5: Dreams Are Made Of. It's a somewhat weekly podcast. We

847
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 5: sort of do seasons and then take little breaks. We're

848
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 5: gonna a little break now, we'll be back this summer.

849
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,959
Speaker 5: But we talk about our passion for collecting, collecting things,

850
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 5: I mean, particularly movie and television memorabilia from our kind

851
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 5: of childhoods, the genre, things that we grew up with.

852
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 5: And you can't see here, but I'm sort of surrounded

853
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 5: by it in my office here. My joke is I

854
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 5: collect anything from nineteen eighty nine and sorry, nineteen seventy

855
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 5: seven to nineteen eighty nine.

856
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 3: And yeah.

857
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 5: We talk about all how collecting works, authenticating things, and

858
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 5: you know, Indiana Jones whips and lightsabers and follow a

859
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 5: whole saga while Dave tries to win a very expensive

860
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 5: X Wing model from the original Star Wars. It's it's

861
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 5: really it's a it's a movie podcast that that gets

862
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 5: very deeply in the weeds and nerdy about the stuff

863
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 5: that's used to make the movie and the nerds who

864
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Speaker 5: collected afterwards.

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Speaker 1: What's your favorite thing, your favorite prop uh collectible.

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Speaker 5: My favorite thing that I have is probably I have

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Speaker 5: Conan's hero sword from Conan the Barbarian, and it was

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Speaker 5: one of the four that was made for the film,

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Speaker 5: and it was something that I actually tracked down. We

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Speaker 5: call it in the wild, so I found it. I

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Speaker 5: did a lot of sleuthing when I moved to la

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Speaker 5: and I found it with one of the original crew

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Speaker 5: members who worked on the film and and extracted it

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Speaker 5: like Conan from the from the Atlantean tone from from

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Speaker 5: a from the trunk of a car in a Starbucks

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Speaker 5: parking lot in Calabasas. So very proud. I'm very proud

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Speaker 5: of that.

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Speaker 1: House of the Dragons Season two debuts on HBO and

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Speaker 1: Max Sunday, June sixteenth, nine pm. Ryan Connell, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for joining us.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Jason, it's great to be here.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to Ryan for joining us. Up next, Who's Who.

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Speaker 1: We like to end each episode with a series of

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Speaker 1: fast moving segments. In this episode Who's Who, where we

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Speaker 1: talk about our favorite weird characters. And in this case,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about our favorite weird characters and weirdly

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Speaker 1: named characters in George R. R. Martin's universe. Rosie who

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Speaker 1: you got?

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Speaker 3: Okay?

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Speaker 4: Now, I did select this Who's who simply because I.

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Speaker 2: Deeply wanted to talk about this character, because I think

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Speaker 2: about him every time I think about please anything to

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Speaker 2: do with isifier.

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Speaker 4: I gotta go for Dickon Manwoody.

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Speaker 3: Dickon, Dickon Manwoody. This what a name? What a name.

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Speaker 2: He is the son of Lord Dagos Manwoody, and he

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Speaker 2: goes to King's Landing as part of the entourage of

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Speaker 2: Prince Oberon Martel. Remember him, but yeah, Dickon Manwoody. I

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Speaker 2: feel like I will forever be trying to make a

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Speaker 2: name that fantastic and that Dickon Strong Dickon Manwoody. He

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Speaker 2: was like, Dickon, you know, we get a lot of

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Speaker 2: Dickons and Rickons in this universe. But he was like,

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Speaker 2: just in case, just in case this doesn't sound manly enough,

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Speaker 2: just in case this doesn't sound phallic.

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Speaker 4: Enough, I'm also adding the man Woody.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: I was like, George, you're really going wild on that one.

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Speaker 1: Ah. I'm gonna shout out a character whom actually may

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Speaker 1: play a role in events and how to the Dragon,

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Speaker 1: the Aged Lord of River Run, Grover Tully and Grover's grandsons,

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Speaker 1: Elmo Tully, Hey Kurbat Tully.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, Shsker Tully.

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Speaker 1: I'm dead serious. George R.

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Speaker 4: Love, Jim Hedson, Jim dam Scoundrel.

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Speaker 1: Groover Tully, Elmo Tully, Kurmatully, and Oscar Tully. That's right, folks.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's so good.

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Speaker 1: Those are active characters that may or may not appear.

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Speaker 1: And how's the Dragon season two? I don't know, but

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Speaker 1: I know that in the books they play a role

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Speaker 1: and George had some fun with al.

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Speaker 2: That's the kind of easter eggs I'm trying to put it.

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Speaker 2: I want to write something. I want to name some

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Speaker 2: characters who are named after like comic book characters we like,

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Speaker 2: and I want in like twenty years, I want people

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Speaker 2: to be like they reference that, like in this I'm like,

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Speaker 2: you put the Muppets and Sesame Street and that you

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Speaker 2: you were like, I.

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Speaker 3: Love Jim Henson.

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Speaker 4: Baby, this is my Jim Henson family shout out.

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Speaker 3: That's magical. I love it.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's been a magical episode. And that's it for

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Speaker 1: us today. Thanks so much for listening.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for listen Thanks Bye.

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Speaker 1: X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Kensumsion and Rosie

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Speaker 1: Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts. Our executive

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Speaker 1: producers are Joelle Smith and Aaron Kaufman. Our supervising producer

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Speaker 1: is a Boo Zafar. Our producers are Carmen Laurent and

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Speaker 1: Mia Taylor. Our theme song is by Brian Basquez.

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Speaker 2: Special thanks to Soul Rubin and Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman

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Speaker 2: and Heidi A discoll Moderata