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Speaker 1: Welcome to Is this a great game or what?

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Speaker 2: And our special guest today is our dear friend John

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Speaker 2: bucha Grass, one of the great anchors in the history

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Speaker 2: of ESPN and now one of the great hockey guys

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Speaker 2: that our company has ever had.

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Speaker 3: Bucci.

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Speaker 1: This is my son, Jeff.

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Speaker 2: I think the last time you saw him was that

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Speaker 2: the Umpire Fantasy Ejection League when he was twelve years old.

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Speaker 3: You heard right, America.

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Speaker 4: We once had an Umpire Ejection Fantasy League at ESPN.

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Speaker 4: There's a fellow named Judson Birch who and I showed up.

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Speaker 4: I first came across Judge and Tim in the ESPN

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Speaker 4: Softball league. They played in the mornings during the week

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Speaker 4: because we're primarily a nocturnal operation, and there's this guy

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Speaker 4: in full get up doing absolute I mean, he's got everything.

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Speaker 4: He's got the ball sock, I don't even think the

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Speaker 4: softball in the little baseball bag. And he is taking

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Speaker 4: this very seriously.

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Speaker 3: I was not aware.

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Speaker 4: And over time you get to meet Judson, who loves

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Speaker 4: baseball more than all of us combined. And yeah, he

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Speaker 4: came up with the idea of the Umpire Ejection Fantasy League,

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Speaker 4: and yeah, we drafted umpires obviously based on reputation, and

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Speaker 4: that's another reason why the video replay review it's.

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Speaker 3: Ruined the umpire Ejection Fantasy League.

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Speaker 2: Let's go anymore, right, Yeah, so, Jeff in two thousand

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Speaker 2: and three, jud Birch came up to the press box

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Speaker 2: having been down on the field. This is during the

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Speaker 2: World Series in two thousand and three between the Marlins

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Speaker 2: and the Yankees, and he looked at me with a

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Speaker 2: look on his face that can just it was unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: He says, You're not gonna believe who I just met.

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Speaker 2: And I'm thinking it was like Derek Jeter is somebody

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Speaker 2: said Angel Hernandez. He met it out buyer and he

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Speaker 2: was absolutely he was taken back, like I got to

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Speaker 2: meet him?

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Speaker 1: Is that not Judd Byrd for you, Bucci?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: And the best part of the umpire Ejection Fantasy League

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Speaker 4: for me was coming up with the name of your team, right, yes,

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Speaker 4: Like one time Tony ran Dazzo missed to call it first.

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Speaker 3: And one of my cats phrases.

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Speaker 4: Was more normally good, So like, you know, here's Aaron

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Speaker 4: Judge normally good, normally good, probably good. And that came

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Speaker 4: from an old Chris Russo Mad Dog Russo bit on

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Speaker 4: w f a N where he's talking about the whole

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Speaker 4: steroids scandal and he was kind of given an ESPN

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Speaker 4: an issue because he felt like we weren't questioning.

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Speaker 3: Some of the players enough and he's and Chris is.

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Speaker 5: Going on not about ESPN. Carl Ravich normally good. That

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Speaker 5: was that was the first normally good? Was Carl Ravich

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Speaker 5: normally good?

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Speaker 3: And now.

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Speaker 4: We should have so I would use it during Sports Center.

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Speaker 4: Aaron Judge normally good. Just a guy who normally succeeds

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Speaker 4: but doesn't and then sometimes it gets silly at night,

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Speaker 4: as you know Tim And there was a Bang Bang

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Speaker 4: play at first and he was called safe, but he

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Speaker 4: was obviously out.

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Speaker 3: This is twenty years ago, and I was.

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Speaker 4: Like Tony Randazzo on Bang Bang plays normally good.

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Speaker 3: I don't have the data on that. I have no

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Speaker 3: idea he might be normally bad.

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Speaker 4: But again, at that point, we're trying to entertain each

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Speaker 4: other late at night, whether it's Judd, Scott Clark or

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Speaker 4: whoever the producer and CP were, and so many things

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Speaker 4: at ESPN come from that deep love of sport, from

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Speaker 4: little kids memorizing box scores, playing pitcher catcher in the

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Speaker 4: backyard with entire lineups. With my next door neighbor Michael Lilja,

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Speaker 4: we would just go the entire lineup on pitch, like

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Speaker 4: the pitcher would call balls and strigs, just play a

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Speaker 4: nine inning game by ourselves with an andy etcha baron

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Speaker 6: So it was.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, Judd Birch, the Umpire Ejection Fantasy League, I

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Speaker 4: actually forgot about that. You know, I've been there thirty

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Speaker 4: years now, so it's nice to get these reminders about

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Speaker 4: things that have gone on in thirty years. I've now

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Speaker 4: spent more than half my life at ESPN. So the

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Speaker 4: Empire Ejection Fantasy.

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Speaker 2: League, right, right, So Judd had an expression when one

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Speaker 2: of the Phillies hit, it would hit a home or

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Speaker 2: like Ryan Howard, he would sell. He would say, fill

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Speaker 2: thine horn with oil and go.

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Speaker 1: That was his home run call. So when I had

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Speaker 1: the home.

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Speaker 2: It's a Bible versu and he used it for an

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Speaker 2: opposite field home run by.

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Speaker 1: By Ryan Howard.

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Speaker 2: So the name of my Fantasy Ejection team it was

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Speaker 2: a great umpire named Ed Vargo. So in the name

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Speaker 2: of my team was fill thine Horn with Oil and Vargo, which.

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Speaker 6: I didn't I didn't win.

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Speaker 2: I didn't win the fantasy league, but I won the

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Speaker 2: most imaginative name for a team. Of course, Judge was

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Speaker 2: the one that did all this. Now Bouccie just to

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Speaker 2: finish with Judd. I did not know this until recently.

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Speaker 2: He first off knows the uniform numbers of all the umpires,

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Speaker 2: which is just incredible to me. But when he stins

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Speaker 2: in the stands for a game, which he does all

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Speaker 2: the time, and in the seventh inning stretch strike one, two,

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Speaker 2: three strikes, you're out. He does the call of the

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Speaker 2: home plate umpire that night, what he would say on

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Speaker 2: strike one, what he would say on strike two, and

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Speaker 2: how he would call his third strike.

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Speaker 1: And it's a.

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Speaker 6: Different umpire every night.

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Speaker 1: That's what Judd Burg does. Yes, I just found that out.

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Speaker 2: About a month ago, and I thought, Judge, you're one

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Speaker 2: of my best friends in the world. You are the

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Speaker 2: strangest man of all time, but this takes you to

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Speaker 2: another level. He does strike one, two, three strikes, you're

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Speaker 2: out with the call of the home plate umpire.

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Speaker 4: Well, I imagine if dutch Rennet was still umpire and

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Speaker 4: the people behind him screaming.

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Speaker 3: In their face.

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Speaker 2: Strike Jeff Judge was the guy that would turn his his,

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Speaker 2: his whole body to the side, like point everything in

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Speaker 2: one direction, scream as loud as he could. And nobody

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Speaker 2: does a better Dutch rheter than jud Birch.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, his name was decent. My name was I thought

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Speaker 4: my name was decent. Phil Cuzy it hurts, I think,

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Speaker 4: I think that.

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Speaker 3: Another great one.

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Speaker 4: By the way, Phildine Horne with oil and go is

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Speaker 4: from the Book of Samuel for you Bible buffs out there.

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Speaker 1: Right, so boucie.

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Speaker 2: Just to finish with this ridiculous conversation, Jeff came in

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Speaker 2: once for the Umpire Fantasy Ejection League and he was

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Speaker 2: allowed by Judd to reach in and pull out like

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Speaker 2: who gets the first pick? So Jeffrey was, Jeff, you

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Speaker 2: remember being involved in the process, correct, Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 7: I was young enough to be excited to be at

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Speaker 7: ESPN and excited for this, but old enough to be

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Speaker 7: like these are grown adults and Dode the higher ups

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Speaker 7: know this is happening in a conference room at ESPN.

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Speaker 7: But the higher ups were there and involved, so that

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Speaker 7: was the coolest part. I remember it, Dad, and I

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Speaker 7: remember the energy surrounding the room, and and what I

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Speaker 7: love the most is I felt like it wasn't just

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Speaker 7: there to entertain jud right, to entertain our friend and

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Speaker 7: do something for him. Everybody who was genuinely really excited

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Speaker 7: to be a.

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Speaker 8: Part of the umpire Injection League, which is so special.

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Speaker 3: Were competitives at our core.

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Speaker 4: We're all competitive people from kids little league, and that's

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Speaker 4: really the genesis of the ESPN, especially those first ten

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Speaker 4: twenty years. These are people who are serious athletes who

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Speaker 4: reached a point where they weren't going to play pro,

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Speaker 4: but they were big and inner murals, literal league, high school.

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Speaker 4: Some of us made high school varsity teams very competitive

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Speaker 4: place and I mean early on ESPN gambling fantasy leagues.

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Speaker 3: I mean it was rampant.

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Speaker 4: Obviously when things become corporate in the mid nineties. When

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Speaker 4: Walt Disney buys ESPN in nineteen ninety six, the same

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Speaker 4: year I was hired, things slowly that kind of gets.

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Speaker 3: You know, pushed out.

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure ESPN had an HR department told the

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Speaker 4: late nineties, I'm not really sure, but there was all

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Speaker 4: It's a legal operation in this way. Before gambling became

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Speaker 4: legal in the last decade. I'm talking the sixties and

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Speaker 1: Steubenville Bucci.

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Speaker 2: We just had rich don Ley on our podcast the

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Speaker 2: other day, and of course he told he told the

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Speaker 2: greatest stories ever. He's the greatest batting practice pitcher ever.

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Speaker 2: He's one of the greatest third base coaches ever. And

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Speaker 2: he talks about Steubenville relentlessly, especially those Friday night football games.

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Speaker 2: He's right about all that though, right, You know all

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Speaker 2: about this, correct?

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I was born in downtown Pittsburgh, adopted by a couple

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Speaker 4: of New England parents who had moved there in their

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Speaker 4: mid twenties.

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Speaker 3: In the early sixties, moved to.

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Speaker 4: Indiana, Pennsylvania, and I was two home of Jimmy Stewart,

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Speaker 4: and that my dad was a seer store manager trying

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Speaker 4: to work his way up the corporate ladder. Born during

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Speaker 4: the Depression in South Boston, Massachusetts, the only Italian in

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Speaker 4: Irish South Boston, kind of where he went got the

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Speaker 4: GI bill paid for his last two years of Boston college,

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Speaker 4: which was like seventeen dollars to go a year, you know,

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Speaker 4: it's like five hundred and so he went to Pittsburgh

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Speaker 4: to try to become a store manager, make something of himself.

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Speaker 3: And so we moved about every seven years.

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Speaker 4: So I moved to Steubenville when I was eleven, and man, Indiana,

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Speaker 4: Pa is kind of this idyllic little college town home

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Speaker 4: with Jimmy Stewart, it's a wonderful life.

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Speaker 3: It looks like it's a wonderful life.

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Speaker 4: You could have shot it there, And that was probably

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Speaker 4: Just think of all the athletes from that area, you

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Speaker 7: Of life, and you're right, but imagine having twelve of

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Speaker 4: It did lead to anything else. I never was a drinker,

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Speaker 3: Stubendo was the steel meal town.

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Speaker 1: A game and sitting right and this is years ago.

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Speaker 2: Sitting right in front of him is a guy with

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Speaker 2: a Willy Stargel jersey on and proclaims to everyone in

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Speaker 2: the stands he's the greatest Willy Stargele fan ever.

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Speaker 1: And then his buddy.

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Speaker 2: Asks, this guy was Stargel on the seventy nine Pirates team.

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Speaker 2: And this guy said, I'm not sure if he was

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Speaker 2: on the seventy nine Pirates team, and Judd Judd is

447
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Speaker 2: ready to strangle him, but he just politely taps him

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Speaker 2: on the shoulder, the Willie Stargele guy and says.

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Speaker 1: Yes, he was on that team.

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine Judd having to handle something like that.

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Speaker 4: The Phillies fan as the arbiture of Pittsburgh Pirate Knowledge.

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Speaker 3: But I have some other show and tells.

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Speaker 4: I like getting autographs on things with the sports the

454
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Speaker 4: guys didn't play like. I have a Carlton Fisk at

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Speaker 4: golf ball, which I really like, Wow, Pudge Beyond the

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Speaker 4: Six Game, Peter Gammon's great book that left a big

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Speaker 4: impression on me.

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Speaker 1: As right then.

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Speaker 3: But I also have I have Ray Bork's autograph.

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Speaker 1: On a base on a baseball Wait.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I kind of like doing stuff like that where

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Speaker 4: it's like a little different, you know, and support like baseball.

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Speaker 3: Fisk obviously loves golf. I got that like a golf tournament.

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Speaker 4: But I like doing things like that with my little

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Speaker 4: memorabilia things and kind of a to change it up again.

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Speaker 2: Jeff on the Chris Mullen scoop off of a building

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Speaker 2: and then bounced in the basket on one bucci. When

487
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Speaker 2: he threw it up against the giant side of the building,

488
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Speaker 2: he announced, tell me when it goes in the basket,

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Speaker 2: and like a second and a half later, it went

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Speaker 2: in the basket like he already knew it was gonna happen.

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Speaker 4: It should be that it should be shown on a loop.

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Speaker 4: It's like Jack Nicholas. My favorite Jack Nicholas video. He's

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Speaker 4: like seventy years old, but he just designed the golf course.

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Speaker 4: He's got this what one hundred foot putt that goes

495
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Speaker 4: over like a picture's mind another picture's mound. And Johnny

496
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Speaker 4: Miller is like, Jack, this is a stupid hole. This

497
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Speaker 4: is a dumb green. This putt's I don't know how

498
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Speaker 4: to hit this put Nicholas waddles down. It's all you

499
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Speaker 4: can find it. It's not hard.

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Speaker 3: He watched.

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Speaker 8: It's one of my favorite videos of all time.

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Speaker 3: It's the greatest athletic feet after Chris Mullen I've ever seen.

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Speaker 4: The guy's like seventy five, you know, if he's not

504
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Speaker 4: even he's twelve or twenty five or thirty.

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Speaker 3: Jack Nicholas in his prime. This is one hundred and

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Speaker 3: twenty foot pot. It's not a ten.

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Speaker 4: Foot twenty footer, and it's all over these miles like

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Speaker 4: a roller coaster and it goes right in the middle.

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Speaker 4: It's like, and there's a crowd there right because they're like,

510
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Speaker 4: I'm veiling this new golf course that Jack Nicholas just designed.

511
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Speaker 4: And Johnny Miller's there and he's given Jack little twerp

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Speaker 4: and a shirt and.

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Speaker 3: It goes right in. It's unbelievable, Like, no, that's.

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Speaker 8: No accident, he says.

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Speaker 7: He says, you want me to show you how to

516
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Speaker 7: putt it, and he just throws the way you would

517
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Speaker 7: do it in a putt and green.

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Speaker 8: He just throws this ball, kind of rolls up, he looks.

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Speaker 7: At it for what to maybe a second, and then

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Speaker 7: just kind of.

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Speaker 8: Goes it, goes it on his twenty foot button.

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Speaker 3: It's a backswing with his putter. It's a long putt

523
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Speaker 3: and it.

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Speaker 8: Doesn't even react.

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Speaker 7: The crowd is going wild because they saw seventy year old.

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Speaker 8: Hit this butt. And this amazing quote's one of my

527
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Speaker 8: favorite videos ever.

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Speaker 3: Oh it's so good post pretty much. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've only done baseball essentially in my career. But

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Speaker 2: you have done baseball, basketball, football, golf, hockey, everything. Give

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Speaker 2: me another guy that you have met along the way

532
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Speaker 2: where you recognize, oh my gosh, I'm going to interview

533
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Speaker 2: this guy on live TV or you know, from the

534
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Speaker 2: studio whatever, And this is a guy that I worshiped

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Speaker 2: growing up. That there has to be somebody like that

536
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Speaker 2: in one of those sports where you said Boucie.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking to this guy right now. Who is that guy?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I probably wouldn't look towards the older guys right

539
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Speaker 4: when they're because they were not as accessible. We didn't

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Speaker 4: have as much television, We didn't have as much inventory

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Speaker 4: of things. Yet I always talk about, you know, being

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Speaker 4: a music fan. When I was, like in the seventies

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Speaker 4: and eighties, we didn't have a lot of inventory of

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Speaker 4: music to choose from. So we only had twenty years

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Speaker 4: of rock and roll. Where the kids nowadays, you know,

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Speaker 4: they have seventy. So it's kind of you know, we

547
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Speaker 4: kind of chirped the kids like, you know what, you

548
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Speaker 4: never heard of Earth Wind and Fire, or you never

549
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Speaker 4: heard of Donnie and Marie, or you know, or led Zeppelin.

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Speaker 4: You don't know who LEDs. But they have seventy years

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Speaker 4: in inventory. It's harder for them. We had very limited

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Speaker 4: There was a very limited video. We saw the same

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Speaker 4: things on television over and over again. So they become

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Speaker 4: really legend and myth.

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Speaker 3: Because there just wasn't a lot.

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Speaker 4: And so when I got to interview someone like Maurice

557
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Speaker 4: Rocket Rashard not a Canadian fan. This is the late

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Speaker 4: nineties again, I'm at that point I'm probably still more

559
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Speaker 4: of a baseball guy than a hockey guy. Again, I

560
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Speaker 4: grew up loving every sport. I just happened to all,

561
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Speaker 4: you know, like most kids in America, football, basketball, baseball.

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Speaker 4: I just happened because my dad was from Boston. Added hockey,

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Speaker 4: which turned out great for my career because I knew

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Speaker 4: the rule, the knowledge, the players, the history, the feel

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Speaker 4: I played a little bit so understood.

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Speaker 3: That gives you a little bit of insight on the difficulty.

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Speaker 3: But to my rockets, he's a black and white athlete.

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Speaker 4: I call him right, Like all his video, his still pictures,

569
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Speaker 4: they're all black and white. That's like a whole different

570
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Speaker 4: level of mysticism, romanticism. So someone like that, where now

571
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Speaker 4: everyone is so accessible, we've lost a little bit of

572
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Speaker 4: that magic. Like if I were to see Tom I

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Speaker 4: never met Tom sever, but like to meet Tom Sever,

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Speaker 4: that would be a huge deal to me. To meet

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Speaker 4: Michael Jordan would not as much. It would be I

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Speaker 4: haven't met him either. I'd enjoy that. It'd be a

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Speaker 4: short list of like probably five people they were like, Wow,

578
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Speaker 4: this is really cool, But it wouldn't have the same

579
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Speaker 4: effect as meeting Tom Sever In nineteen eighty nine. They

580
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Speaker 4: were just different levels of that romanticism and mysticism, and

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Speaker 4: Rocket Rashard was the one athlete I can think of

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Speaker 4: from that era, right the forties and the fifties that

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Speaker 4: I got to interview.

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Speaker 2: Amazing Jeff Tell Bouchier, Tom sever Story from Cooperstown.

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Speaker 7: So we used to go to the Hall of Fame

586
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Speaker 7: induction every single year as a family, me, my sister

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Speaker 7: and my parents. I know, and the first and I

588
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Speaker 7: don't know how this happened, and I as now a

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Speaker 7: thirty two year old.

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Speaker 8: I don't know how this conversation went. But the first

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Speaker 8: year that my mom and my sister didn't go is.

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Speaker 7: Widely known as arguably the greatest induction year of all time,

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Speaker 7: that of Tony Gwynn and Calverken Jr. I don't know why.

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Speaker 7: That year they were like, I think we're good. So

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Speaker 7: I went with my dad on my own. It was

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Speaker 7: the most amazing trip of all time. I was thirteen, twelve,

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Speaker 7: thirteen years old, and I got to go to the

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Speaker 7: dinner that happens right after the parade.

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Speaker 8: So they parade in and all the Hall of Famers

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Speaker 8: are there. It's pretty amazing. Well here I am.

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Speaker 7: I kind of lost my dad in the crowd holding

602
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Speaker 7: my own and I talked to Tom Sever and his wife.

603
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Speaker 7: We were in the black room and we're talking about

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Speaker 7: my love for theater and my love for performing and

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Speaker 7: my love for and they're asking all these quote.

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Speaker 8: When's your next show? What are you doing?

607
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Speaker 7: And all of a sudden, my dad sees me yucking

608
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Speaker 7: it up Tom Sever and kind of looks at me afterwards,

609
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Speaker 7: and you know, comes in to make sure I'm not

610
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Speaker 7: bothering them or do they need to be saved or

611
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Speaker 7: do I.

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Speaker 8: Need to be saying whatever it might be.

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Speaker 7: Here's just talking about nicely, nicely Johnson and guys and

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Speaker 7: dolls boochie.

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Speaker 1: It was incredible.

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Speaker 3: Nancy was his wife's name, Nancy?

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Speaker 1: Nancy, Yes, of course, wh Yeah, my.

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Speaker 4: Head to go think Nancy, why would that still be

619
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Speaker 4: in my brain? But that's you once told me.

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Speaker 1: I asked you once, how do you know all this stuff?

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Speaker 2: And you just told me simply, I pay attention and

622
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Speaker 2: you do. But that day we saw Tom Sever get this,

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Speaker 2: Gus Ramsey formerly of he and his dad, Wally were there.

624
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Speaker 2: So we had this great conversation. But it took about

625
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Speaker 2: ten years of me knowing Gus Ramsey before he told

626
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Speaker 2: me that he once caught Tom Sever in his driveway.

627
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Speaker 2: Tom Sever was gonna make a comeback after retiring, and

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Speaker 2: he goes over to Wally Ramsey's house because he wants

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Speaker 2: to start to get loose, so he says to Gus,

630
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Speaker 2: can you catch me in the driveway. So Gus got

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Speaker 2: his giant first basement's mitt, went out and caught Tom

632
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Speaker 2: Sever in the driveway and did okay, And then Tom

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Speaker 2: Seaver said now I'm gonna throw some sliders, and Gus

634
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Speaker 2: is thinking, oh my god, I'm gonna catch a slider.

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Speaker 3: From Tom Sever.

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Speaker 2: Boucie, you would have introduced yourself to people, wouldn't you

637
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Speaker 2: have saying, oh hi, I'm John Butcher. Graz I once

638
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Speaker 2: caught Tom Sever in the driveway?

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Speaker 3: Am I wrong? That's the first thing?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: That was Greenwich, Connecticut down where in fact, and nicely

642
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Speaker 4: he showed me a picture of it. He's either member

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Speaker 4: or a friend. I thought I thought it was maybe

644
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Speaker 4: because you know, Gus grew up with Bill Simmons, of course,

645
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Speaker 4: and he might have been there that day too. I

646
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,719
Speaker 4: think they must might have been hanging out together. But

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Speaker 4: I saw the picture of Sever throwing to Gus in

648
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Speaker 4: the driveway. He once brought that in. But you're right,

649
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Speaker 4: I lead with that. I lead with that bit of information.

650
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Speaker 4: I never played catch with a big leaguer in my life,

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Speaker 4: so that was and that would have been something.

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Speaker 2: Right, So, Buccie, I don't know anything about hockey, I'm

653
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Speaker 2: ashamed to say, but I did meet Wayne Gretzky in

654
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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety. He was having dinner at a dear friend

655
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Speaker 2: of mine, Matt McCoy's house in la and Wayne Gretzky

656
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: walks in and it's going to eat dinner.

657
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Speaker 1: With us at my buddy Matt's house.

658
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Speaker 2: And he introduces himself and says, Hi, I'm Wayne, Like

659
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 2: no kidding. He I was just mesmerized sitting next to

660
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 2: a guy who was at the time and maybe still

661
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 2: is the greatest hockey player of all time. And not

662
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Speaker 2: like I know anything about hockey. But the Russian coach

663
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 2: once said, after playing against Gretzky, he said, you see him,

664
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 2: then he disappears, then there's a goal.

665
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: Does that accurately?

666
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 2: Does that accurately describe to uh, Wayne Gretzy to you

667
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 2: a great hockey guy?

668
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: Does that Does that mean something?

669
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 4: Yes, I've always been kind of drawn to the smart athletes.

670
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 3: I like to watch smarts in action.

671
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 4: And no one had better spatial awareness than Wayne Gretzky.

672
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 4: You know, wasn't the biggest, strongest, fastest, shot at hardest,

673
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 4: just he paid attention to everything. You know, he grew

674
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 4: up in the backyard rink, so he probably developed a

675
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 4: lot of innate instinctual things.

676
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 3: Didn't have drills.

677
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 4: He used to watch games on TV and kind of

678
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 4: draw where the puck went and where it was going,

679
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 4: so he knew it where it was going to go.

680
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 3: When he played the.

681
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 4: Old line, don't go where the puck is, go where

682
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 4: it's going to go. And uh, you know, that's like

683
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 4: Derek Jeter when he made the famous cutoff play in Oakland.

684
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 4: He wasn't going where the ball was. He was going

685
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 4: where the ball was going to go. That's why he

686
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 4: just felt like I should probably roam in that area.

687
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 4: Nothing might happen to nine out of one hundred times,

688
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 4: nothing is going to happen. But in that moment the

689
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 4: ball came to him, he was able to make the play.

690
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 4: Go where the ball was going to go, Go where

691
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 4: the puck is going to be. That's where you go next,

692
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 4: and he understood patterns, and that was as a young kid,

693
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 4: you drawing on watching the game on TV and then

694
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 4: implementing it in this obviously his own innate spatial awareness

695
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 4: as well. But yeah, hockey is a game of spatial awareness.

696
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 4: Hockey sense they call it because it's a fast moving

697
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 4: game and you need to be half a step ahead.

698
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 4: So the term hockey sense was big growing up. You

699
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 4: don't hear it as much anymore. Players are more skillful today,

700
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 4: but they don't have as much hockey sense. Baseball is

701
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 4: probably a lot in the same line, where pitchers throw

702
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 4: it faster, players hit it harder, But do they play

703
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 4: like Dustin Pedroia and Derek Jeter, the two smartest players

704
00:33:55,920 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 4: of my ESPN run in terms of watching guys in

705
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 4: the game be in every pitch and again, every single pitch.

706
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 4: They're in every pitch, never took a pitch off to

707
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 4: anticipate just in case where the ball was going to go.

708
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 4: Give them just a little clue, a little information to

709
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,240
Speaker 4: maybe I could will help me make a play.

710
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 7: So we had Tom Glavin on the podcast and we

711
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 7: had him Dad.

712
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,720
Speaker 8: Remind me, I think it was right. During the NHL draft,

713
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 8: it must.

714
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: Have been last year, Yes, and.

715
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 8: It was again.

716
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 7: You know, we had Will Zalatorus on, we talked about hypotheticals,

717
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 7: so non baseball related.

718
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 8: When we had Glavin on, we talked about hockey for

719
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 8: twenty minutes.

720
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,720
Speaker 7: Have you in that crossover, Nate, Like, who's an athlete

721
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 7: you love talking a different sport with?

722
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 8: Is it Glavin? Because he you know, he got drafted

723
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 8: above Brett Ull right, Dad?

724
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: So I mean he did, Boucie.

725
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 2: We famously asked him, stupid Tim Kirkchin hypothetical, if we

726
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 2: gave him ten penalty shots, you know, we'll give him

727
00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 2: half an hour to get in shape at age six,

728
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 2: whatever he is, how many penalty shots could he score

729
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 2: on an NHL goalie when knowing, you know, forty years

730
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 2: earlier he was a great hockey player. So Tom Glavin,

731
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 2: you know, the most modest man in the world, he said,

732
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 2: I might be able to score one. Does that sound

733
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 2: about right, Boucie, That these NHL hockey goalies are just

734
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 2: so ridiculously good that even Tom Glavin would have trouble

735
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 2: scoring once. Does that sound right to you?

736
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 3: It does? Yeah.

737
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 4: I saw Tommy at Sean McDonough's annual charity golf tournament

738
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 4: here in New England last year. We talked about getting

739
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 4: drafted a little bit of hockey talk as well.

740
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember ESPN. We used to have a little

741
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 3: pickup game.

742
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 4: This is back in two thousand and one Stanley Cup

743
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 4: final when Ray Bork finally won his Stanley Cup and

744
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 4: I got to know him and work at ESPN and

745
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 4: play some golf with them, and.

746
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 3: So we got out there once.

747
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 4: So we're doing some on ice demonstration, so we decided

748
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 4: to have other a little you know shootout on Darren Pang,

749
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 4: the former NHL goalie five foot three inches tall, right

750
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 4: Rookie of the Year finalists, the smallest goalie ever practically,

751
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 4: and I would and we always just came out on

752
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 4: him and you know, tried different little shootout moves and

753
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 4: I did again, I can always skate played a little bit.

754
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 4: Wasn't Tom Glavin level, but to come on, you think

755
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 4: it would be, especially this little guy. Plus he's you know,

756
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 4: forty eight years old at the time, and he's five

757
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 4: foot three and he's not playing a lot of goalie

758
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,479
Speaker 4: but there was no chance, like zero chance. So yeah,

759
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 4: so Tom Glavin coming down on Sergei Bobrovsky or you know,

760
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 4: Henrik Lundquist and his prime. Yeah, probably not going to happen,

761
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 4: you know, Like I said, maybe a bar down off

762
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,959
Speaker 4: a crossbar or something. But it really is the level

763
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 4: of skill of all these athletes at each of their positions.

764
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 3: It's hard for the average.

765
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 4: Fan to really understand because obviously they're playing with like

766
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 4: minded and like athletic ridden players, So everything's going to

767
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 4: kind of slow down because there's no there is not

768
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 4: that disparity of talent, like if they jump into a

769
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,479
Speaker 4: high school game, then you would see it. They're all

770
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 4: pretty clear close enough to make it look even easier.

771
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 3: Because why can't that guy just do that?

772
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 6: Right?

773
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 4: So, yeah, that was I do believe that it would

774
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 4: be very hard, as great as Tommy was in hockey

775
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 4: to do to score on an NHL goalie.

776
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 2: Right again, Bouchie, it's all about the levels. And speaking

777
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 2: of the levels, Boochie, would you please explain to my

778
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 2: son Jeff and to all our listeners the annual deal

779
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 2: that you would have where you would eat something before

780
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 2: one show per year before you go host Sports Center.

781
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 2: Would you please explain what I'm talking about and why

782
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 2: you would possibly do that It's one of the most

783
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 2: impressive things I've ever heard.

784
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, bucket of chicken night.

785
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 4: It really began with Stan Forrette not believing that I

786
00:37:58,200 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 4: could eat an entire bucket of chicken.

787
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 3: Him.

788
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 4: I've always been very skinny, at a hard time gaining

789
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 4: weight in high school.

790
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 3: In college, I was a late bloomer. I wanted to

791
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 3: be a big, strong, strapping athlete. It was difficult for me.

792
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 3: A hard gainer, as they call it.

793
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 4: Hard to gain weight, hard to gain muscle in the

794
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 4: gym just didn't come natural, and so it and so

795
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 4: I think people look at us and feel like we

796
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 4: can't eat because we don't eat enough.

797
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 3: No, I eat plenty.

798
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 4: I would sit down in college and have five bowls

799
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 4: of cereal in a row before I even went and

800
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 4: got in the breakfast.

801
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 3: Line, like I could eat. I had a big appetite.

802
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 3: And plus us skinny guys, we have the advantage in

803
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 3: these eating.

804
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,800
Speaker 4: Contests because our stomachs can expand we have room to grow.

805
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 4: So to eat a bucket of chicken, in my mind,

806
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 4: you know that was no. But Stan just didn't believe it.

807
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 4: So I said, I'm going to do it right now.

808
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 4: I'm going to drive down to Queen Street and Subbington

809
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 4: and get me a bucket of chicken, and I'm going

810
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 4: to eat it here while we write Sports Center and

811
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 4: never too do Sports Center, And so I would do

812
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 4: would once a year and then eventually, you know, the

813
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 4: producers at ESPN, we do so much television, They're looking

814
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 4: for anything to maybe give them not a night off.

815
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 3: But what can we do different? What can we do?

816
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 4: So they kind of started to run with bucket a

817
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 4: chicken Knight, and you know, we would talk about it

818
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 4: and they would put up a full screen, you know,

819
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 4: with how many calories and saturated fat and sodium that

820
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 4: I had that night. It was a full screen from

821
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 4: like a Baseball tonight, full scream with my stats. You know,

822
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 4: my war that night was off the charts, you know,

823
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 4: twenty nine point six. So yeah, so I would just

824
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 4: do it, and then I would have everyone signed the

825
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 4: bucket who was a part of the show. I got

826
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 4: like nine buckets downstairs in my office. So yeah, again,

827
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 4: those are things we did at Sports Center. It was

828
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 4: just a great little communal thing.

829
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 3: Always.

830
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 4: We would quiz when the young production assistants they get

831
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 4: out of college, they want to work at ESPN.

832
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 3: They're twenty three, twenty four to twenty five. That first level.

833
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 4: You watch a game, you do the highlights, and you

834
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 4: come give the shot sheet to the anchor and say

835
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 4: here's here's Yankees rais anything crazy happened?

836
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 3: And what happened here?

837
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 4: And Gus Ramsey was great with these reindeer games. Like

838
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 4: we would say, okay, we asked the next ten, pas,

839
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 4: can they name the Four Beatles? How many can do

840
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 4: it out of the next ten, and we would wager

841
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 4: on that and like I got one, you know, I'm

842
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 4: gonna go three. And we would ask them to see

843
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 4: if they could. And again, this is more and this

844
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 4: is back in the late nineties. So the Beatles only

845
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 4: broken up for twenty five years. It's not like now,

846
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,760
Speaker 4: I get it. It's harder. Although, being a good parent,

847
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 4: I've instructed my son Jack on the Four Beatles and

848
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 4: he can identify their singing voice, all right, Jack, who

849
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,240
Speaker 4: is that John, Paul or George.

850
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 3: And occasionally Ringo.

851
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 4: So yeah, that's the that's the important part of parenting.

852
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 4: Give them some things that will give them a step ahead.

853
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,720
Speaker 4: My son can name the Four Beatles, but so little

854
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 4: things like that. But yeah, bucket of Chicken night was

855
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 4: one of those things you just anything that you know,

856
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 4: we're there late at night, day after day till one

857
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 4: two am. How can we make this fun? How can

858
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,879
Speaker 4: we make this a little more enjoyable here in among

859
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 4: our cubicles with this crazy job that we're lucky to

860
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 4: have were in the toy department of life. It is

861
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 4: such a blessing and we're so grateful and so yeah,

862
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 4: bucket A chicken knight was a thing.

863
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 3: I think I should probably retire from it. I learned

864
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 3: the first.

865
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 4: Couple of times i'd get it, I would get so dehydrated.

866
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 4: I was like very concerned. I would have a help out.

867
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 4: So now I go into it. When I do go

868
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 4: into it.

869
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 3: Maybe I'll do one more. I fast all day so

870
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 3: like I don't eat, drink a lot of water.

871
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 4: So that makes it really easy because a couple of

872
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 4: times I have finished and didn't want to.

873
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 3: It was like this is a battle. Now, this is

874
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 3: an absolute path. But what we did and we do.

875
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: And now, boujie chicken parm is your thing?

876
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Speaker 2: Have I overrated this? But what is the deal with

877
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Speaker 2: chicken parm? Nobody loves chicken par more than I do,

878
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Speaker 2: So where did that come?

879
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Speaker 1: From Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I really think I single handedly brought Chicken par into

881
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Speaker 4: the forefront of the American consciousness.

882
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Speaker 3: I really did.

883
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 4: When I ESPN brought me in to do my You know,

884
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 4: when you send in your resume tape. I sent it

885
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Speaker 4: in nineteen ninety six, never expected to get a call back.

886
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Speaker 4: I just saw this article in the USA Today. This

887
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Speaker 4: guy's name Al jaffe. His job was to look at

888
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Speaker 4: resume tapes. I happened to go into work that day

889
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 4: at Channel twelve in Providence. I happen to see this

890
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Speaker 4: USA Today on someone's desk. It was a little profile

891
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Speaker 4: on Al Jaffie.

892
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Speaker 3: People send him tapes. He looks at him and you know,

893
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Speaker 3: they might file him away if they think someone has

894
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Speaker 3: a shot or something. And I go, oh, look at that.

895
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Speaker 3: You know, especially at that time, you couldn't get to people.

896
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 4: There's no real Internet yet, there's no emails, Like how

897
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 4: do I get to somebody? How do I apply for

898
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 4: a job to work in baseball or anywhere? Now you

899
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Speaker 4: can email a GM. You know, you can direct message.

900
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 4: You can direct message will Zala Taurus on Instagram.

901
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Speaker 3: You know. So, but I saw this article and.

902
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Speaker 4: A guy that's his job, Why don't I send a

903
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 4: tape there just because on a whim. And that's because

904
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Speaker 4: you know again, now kid might want and work for Apple.

905
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,879
Speaker 4: I send an Apple or resume. Who's gonna But I think, well,

906
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 4: our job is different. It's actually on a video, so

907
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 4: they can see you. They can see your work. So yeah,

908
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Speaker 4: I'll send a tape down Jaffie, never even thinking twice

909
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 4: about it. Two months later they call me, Oh my goodness,

910
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 4: and they want to come for a tryout. So you

911
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 4: drive up night before, stay in the hotel across the street,

912
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 4: and used to do you write a little ten minute

913
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 4: sports center, You do sports Center, You go to Chili's,

914
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Speaker 4: you come back, talk with three executives, and you go home.

915
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 3: It's like an eight a nine to five tryout.

916
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Speaker 4: Night before I go up, there's a place called val

917
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Speaker 4: Turno's right next door. They had this thing chicken parmeers on.

918
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,720
Speaker 4: I didn't grow up like I grew up with. McDonald's

919
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 4: was a good night out in Indiana, Pennsylvania. Same with Stupidville.

920
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 4: There's no nice restaurants. I went to my first steakhouse.

921
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Speaker 4: I was thirty four when I had my first state

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Speaker 4: at ESPN.

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Speaker 3: I didn't grow up with chicken parmers. I never heard

924
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 3: of chicken parmy shop. What this is good?

925
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 4: You know, why did my mom make chicken park We

926
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Speaker 4: have spaghetti's and meatballs, angel hair and meatballs.

927
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Speaker 3: That was our Italian dinner, you know. And it just

928
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Speaker 3: felt it just this is a easy and and.

929
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Speaker 4: So it just kind of and then when Ray Ferraro

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Speaker 4: shout out Ray on the other side, Ray Ferraro NHL

931
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Speaker 4: of four hundred eight career goals and that works at ESPN,

932
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Speaker 4: he says, yeah, a lot of hockey players right like

933
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 4: chicken parm in the afternoon because he had little carbs,

934
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 4: little proteins, just.

935
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Speaker 3: Kind of a good meal before their nap or after

936
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Speaker 3: their nap to get ready for the game at night.

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Speaker 3: I said, oh wow, that's that makes a lot of

938
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Speaker 3: sense too.

939
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Speaker 4: So then it became kind of like, oh, after I

940
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Speaker 4: work out, I'll have some chicken parm So I just thought,

941
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Speaker 4: you know, i'd say winter Winter chicken dinner.

942
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Speaker 3: I was like kind of the first person to say

943
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Speaker 3: that on TV. You know, we're chicken dinner. Should trade

944
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Speaker 3: I should have trademarked it.

945
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Speaker 4: I would not be working today, but then I would have,

946
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Speaker 4: you know, winter Winter chicken dinner and then just became

947
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Speaker 4: kind of thing with you know, with with Twitter starting Instagram,

948
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Speaker 4: you kind of threw a picture of oh look I

949
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Speaker 4: made chicken parm and then someone would make one and

950
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Speaker 4: they asked me to rate it, and then it.

951
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Speaker 3: Just because like so many things.

952
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Speaker 4: Like Bucket, a Chicken Nite or other things at ESPN,

953
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Speaker 4: they happened organically. That's what everything about me just kind

954
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 4: of happens based on of fun. When I was in college,

955
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Speaker 4: I would rank the top twelve intermural basketball teams at

956
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Speaker 4: Heidelberg College. I would put it on the cafeteria door

957
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Speaker 4: every Monday. People could not wait to see that top

958
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Speaker 4: ten UPI I think I call it like the UPI

959
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 4: apa AP top ten innermural Heidelberg basketball teams, and they

960
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,959
Speaker 4: would love that. And I just always enjoyed doing fun

961
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 4: stuff like that.

962
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Speaker 3: And that's how you know, the Bucci Overtime Challenge.

963
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 4: Never expected that, the call of hockey, the chicken palm,

964
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 4: it's just based.

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Speaker 3: Out of fun.

966
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Speaker 4: And that's kind of like what I do on Twitter.

967
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 4: I think that's people kind of sense that it's authentic.

968
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 4: It's just me having a good time. I have no

969
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 4: planning meetings about how can I market this. I don't

970
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 4: think about that stuff.

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Speaker 3: I just do it.

972
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Speaker 4: Like what the umpire ejection, Fantasy league or anything like that.

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00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 4: It's just based out of fun, camaraderie, ship almost like

974
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 4: a family familiar type of you know, cohesion that you

975
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 4: just that's what life's about, right, It's about loving the

976
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 4: person next to you, having a good time, pushing each other,

977
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 4: achieving a goal. I'm doing good work whether you're a

978
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 4: writer or an editor or a broadcaster.

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Speaker 3: And just creating things. I've always been kind of a creative.

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00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 2: Mindset, right, Bouchie, last one for me. We could keep

981
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Speaker 2: you for five hours. And I'm sure I've got the

982
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 2: wrong guy. But one of the great cohesion stories that

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Speaker 2: I heard at ESPN was guys did a hockey game

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00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 2: one night and Ray Ferraro went out, I may not

985
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 2: be Ray Ferraro, it's not important. And they go out

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Speaker 2: to a bar afterwards, and they get there right before

987
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 2: closing time and they're like six guys there, so and

988
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 2: the bar is going to close. The guy goes all right,

989
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 2: it's last call. So Ray Ferraro said, all right, I

990
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 2: want to give me thirty six beers.

991
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:47,280
Speaker 6: So we ordered thirty six beers because it was last

992
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 6: call and everyone wanted to have He wanted everyone to

993
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 6: have like a six pack before they went home.

994
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:54,280
Speaker 1: Am I right about?

995
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 4: This?

996
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 6: Is the story right?

997
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: And was it Ray Ferraro?

998
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 3: It sounds like Ray? Well?

999
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 4: As you know, after games, after shows, it's hard to

1000
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 4: find food, right, And that's where players in broadcasters have

1001
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 4: a lot in common. We're in an adrenalized state. We

1002
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,399
Speaker 4: prepared all day for this game. At night, we kind

1003
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,439
Speaker 4: of reserve our kind of energy batteries to make sure

1004
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 4: we peak at that time.

1005
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 3: And then the game is happening. We're riding the emotions

1006
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 3: with it.

1007
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 4: Our brains, our synapses are fully firing to make sure

1008
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 4: we get the story right. Call the goal right, describe

1009
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 4: the action right. You're also a competitor. You're a perfectionist.

1010
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 4: You want to do a good job, you want a

1011
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:42,280
Speaker 4: good final product, you want a great column. It happens,

1012
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 4: and you're so you're still in this heightened adrenalized state,

1013
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 4: but you're also the come down kind of starts.

1014
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 3: As well, and you just need something. You need to talk.

1015
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 4: You need other humans to kind of to get out

1016
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 4: of your head and talk to and talk about what

1017
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 4: we just did what we just saw and just kind

1018
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,959
Speaker 4: of bring it down to get back to that mean

1019
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 4: that you want to get back to, regressing to your

1020
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 4: boring human mean And so yeah, those you go out

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00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 4: and you do anything for food, anything, you know, and

1022
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 4: I mean rich Lerner, I just he just wrote a

1023
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 4: great book on golf. The Golf Channel broadcaster talked about that,

1024
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:17,879
Speaker 4: and he couldn't find food. It was a late night,

1025
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 4: it was an early morning. He had to eat breakfast.

1026
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 4: It clothed after his morning hit, and he went to

1027
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 4: a local gas station. There was Pepperoni pizza rotating underneath

1028
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 4: that incandescent light or whatever it is, and that was

1029
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,720
Speaker 4: his breakfast because he had to eat.

1030
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 3: You know, we have to eat at night and.

1031
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 4: Have a couple of drinks at night to get together

1032
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 4: and bond over our experience and share it with wondering.

1033
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 3: That's what this is about, right, It's about sharing.

1034
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 4: And that's why we play sports, That's why we work

1035
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 4: at ESPN, that's why we do podcasts together while we're

1036
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 4: we have friends to begin with. Is that that sharing.

1037
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 4: And I've always said it's better to love than be loved.

1038
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 4: That's the great gift to actually love For me, I

1039
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:59,399
Speaker 4: prefer to love then be loved, and that's what that

1040
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,399
Speaker 4: to me, that feeling is what it's all about.

1041
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 2: It's so good, Bouchie, all right, if you get the

1042
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 2: last word here with our great guest today.

1043
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 7: Now I was gonna say, I think he summed it

1044
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 7: up perfectly. This has been a joy a guest that

1045
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 7: has been on our list since the very beginning of

1046
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 7: our podcast. And to have you on for a little

1047
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 7: show and tell that was awesome. And there's Mickey.

1048
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 8: Thank you so much for joining us.

1049
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 4: We really appreciate it. Thank you great members with Tim

1050
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 4: at ESPN, just just the best.