1
00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:05,240
Speaker 1: Well, hey everybody. Oh, hi, everybody. How is it going? Yes,

2
00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:08,200
Speaker 1: good question. I hope it's going great. How are you doing?

3
00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:11,200
Speaker 1: You looked right at me and asked me that question.

4
00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,960
Speaker 1: I'm fine. Give me, we haven't done this in a while.

5
00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:18,079
Speaker 1: Give me, give me a word, give me a word,

6
00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:22,200
Speaker 1: give me an adjective. Rusty, Welcome to another rusty episode.

7
00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,680
Speaker 1: A ridiculous. I don't know about that. I'd be like,

8
00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:28,920
Speaker 1: we're well polished at this point. Hey, why don't we

9
00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,000
Speaker 1: lose our edge? This is like the third episode we've

10
00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:36,839
Speaker 1: recorded this week. If we're rusty, something's wrong. All right, okay,

11
00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:41,160
Speaker 1: but I'm glad that's on your mind. Do something cool.

12
00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,279
Speaker 1: I don't want to say something like nothing's cooler than

13
00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:51,360
Speaker 1: rust exactly. It means you have lived, you know, give

14
00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,320
Speaker 1: it out in the elements. Yeah, yeah, you know. I

15
00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:56,880
Speaker 1: just don't. This is a weird thought I just had.

16
00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:01,800
Speaker 1: I don't see rust like I used to, because I mean,

17
00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,400
Speaker 1: I grew up, you know, in upstate New York. All

18
00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,440
Speaker 1: the cars, everything had a lot of rust on it

19
00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,880
Speaker 1: because there's always salts on the roads, and everything's wet

20
00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,000
Speaker 1: and slushy all the time, so you can get a

21
00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,279
Speaker 1: lot of rust on your cars down in the South.

22
00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,720
Speaker 1: More plastic things are made to plastic now, and they

23
00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:23,280
Speaker 1: don't really want That's probably very true. That's probably big

24
00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,800
Speaker 1: part of it. The good old rusty days where our

25
00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,800
Speaker 1: rusty happened. Rusty was a popular name, and it was

26
00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,440
Speaker 1: and rust was That's why people saw rust everywhere. What

27
00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:37,320
Speaker 1: do you want to name the kid rusty? Plus he

28
00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,520
Speaker 1: used to flake off you know what I mean? Oh yeah,

29
00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,800
Speaker 1: well that's that's in your kid. And there's like rust

30
00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,160
Speaker 1: on something, you just start picking at it straight, chip

31
00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:49,000
Speaker 1: it off. The fidget spinner of our time a piece

32
00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,760
Speaker 1: of rusty metal. That's all we needed as kids to

33
00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:55,080
Speaker 1: be energy. I'm going to tell the kids, until you

34
00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,360
Speaker 1: wanted a fidget spinner, you had to scrape the rust

35
00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:01,440
Speaker 1: off on my old box. Well, welcome back to the

36
00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:06,840
Speaker 1: Rusty Show. Happier here. We've got kind of a quick

37
00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,000
Speaker 1: episode for you today, not a real quick list, but

38
00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,040
Speaker 1: kind of quick list. And I think we finally have

39
00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:15,079
Speaker 1: time to check our mail bag, so I think we

40
00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:27,919
Speaker 1: should do a mail awesome, so L wrote into our email, Yes,

41
00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,880
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're going to We looked, we looked up.

42
00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:36,720
Speaker 1: We found a model. It looks like but we're like, yeah,

43
00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,280
Speaker 1: so please tell us if we're wrong in that, but

44
00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:44,160
Speaker 1: I'm going with it. Yeah it sounds pretty Yeah, so

45
00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:50,160
Speaker 1: L said, I love the word all quickie, very snack

46
00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:52,720
Speaker 1: able for a quick fix of your podcast. Word All

47
00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:56,000
Speaker 1: hadn't really reached the Netherlands yet, but now I'm hooked.

48
00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:02,320
Speaker 1: You're welcome, Josh right, Yeah, you are, well, we are influencing.

49
00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:07,919
Speaker 1: Were sure, we're spreading word across the world world word

50
00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:11,440
Speaker 1: will really tripped on that one word'll across the world.

51
00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:18,560
Speaker 1: You're welcome, We're spreading the world. Yes, welcome. That's awesome

52
00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,480
Speaker 1: you for letting us know about that. And I'm glad

53
00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,639
Speaker 1: that you like the quick the real quick list. Yeah,

54
00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,320
Speaker 1: definitely little experiment. It was really fun for us. Yeah,

55
00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:29,920
Speaker 1: just to be able to do a quick one like that.

56
00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,160
Speaker 1: There's so many a little quick stories like that, so

57
00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:36,680
Speaker 1: it's nice to find room for him somewhere. Definitely. Uh.

58
00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,200
Speaker 1: And then we also got a message on Instagram from

59
00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:43,360
Speaker 1: Sean the Trucker. Sean reached out to us. Sean's been

60
00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,960
Speaker 1: great checking out our stories and everything. He reached out said,

61
00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,400
Speaker 1: I enjoy many podcasts, uh, some with people, you know,

62
00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:52,800
Speaker 1: I think you guys were great together and make this

63
00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,600
Speaker 1: trucker call me Seawan the Trucker think and laugh on

64
00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,440
Speaker 1: my lonely nights. I think and laughing are my two

65
00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,920
Speaker 1: favorite things to do totally. So that's awesome. I'm glad

66
00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,840
Speaker 1: that we're helping out. I know those drives can be intense.

67
00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:06,640
Speaker 1: I'm a road trip guy. I love getting in the

68
00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,040
Speaker 1: car and just driving for twelve hours at a time. Nobody,

69
00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,440
Speaker 1: nobody likes to do it with me. He is not exaggerating. Literally,

70
00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,800
Speaker 1: he has driven for sixteen hours was the longest, and

71
00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,040
Speaker 1: it wasn't you know, those last three I could have

72
00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,440
Speaker 1: done without. But I think you're seeing things. You're stands

73
00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:26,120
Speaker 1: of things that weren't. I would never know. The number

74
00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,680
Speaker 1: one rule of road trips is stop when you're tired.

75
00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:33,080
Speaker 1: I know I'm just playing. I would never but um,

76
00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,000
Speaker 1: but yeah. So I respect the work that Sean the

77
00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,400
Speaker 1: Trucker is doing out there for us, all keeping the

78
00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:42,000
Speaker 1: country going. It's true bringing the goods. So I'm glad

79
00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,360
Speaker 1: that we're able to contribute to that. Sean the Trucker. Yeah,

80
00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:47,720
Speaker 1: and any of you out there on the road. Ten

81
00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,520
Speaker 1: four Sean, I don't actually know what ten for me.

82
00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,480
Speaker 1: I hope it's not an insult, that's right. Yeah. Ten

83
00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:55,360
Speaker 1: four good buddy, I feel like that's what I hear.

84
00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,560
Speaker 1: Ten four sounds right. Yeah, but yeah, thanks for reaching out,

85
00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,880
Speaker 1: Sean and and your heat. We're so excited to get

86
00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:03,920
Speaker 1: messages from you guys. If anybody else has any, send

87
00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,440
Speaker 1: them our way. There's more. I mean, obviously, if you

88
00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:08,839
Speaker 1: have sent us a message and we haven't responded or

89
00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,120
Speaker 1: read anything on the air yet, we're trying to get

90
00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:13,440
Speaker 1: them all. Yeah, I just know you've already moved us

91
00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:17,800
Speaker 1: to tears or either either from happiness or laughter, never

92
00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,000
Speaker 1: from sadness. Some of y'all I have We have got

93
00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,200
Speaker 1: messages in the past where somebody said, I'm I'm sure

94
00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,200
Speaker 1: you won't get this, because you know, you might think

95
00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:29,560
Speaker 1: that we're inundated with hundreds a day. Um. And while

96
00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:31,640
Speaker 1: we're getting steady messages and we love them all. We

97
00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:35,120
Speaker 1: love them all, and we'll read them all, personally read

98
00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,880
Speaker 1: them and as often as possible try to respond. So

99
00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,719
Speaker 1: and we've had some really lovely conversations with some of

100
00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:44,120
Speaker 1: y'all really have the socials and stuff. So don't hesitate.

101
00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,800
Speaker 1: There ain't there's no this is a two person team here.

102
00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:50,280
Speaker 1: There ain't no, we don't have a secretary screening all

103
00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,880
Speaker 1: our emails. I was like, where is that little intern

104
00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:57,960
Speaker 1: to read these emails one day? One day? Um, but no,

105
00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,240
Speaker 1: we love hearing from you, so keep it coming, and

106
00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,040
Speaker 1: we've got a really exciting episode today. Yeah, a little

107
00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,240
Speaker 1: bit shorter just from the lack of info that's out there,

108
00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,240
Speaker 1: because we're going back in history, right and it's all

109
00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:12,520
Speaker 1: based in legend or a legend and stuff. So um,

110
00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,760
Speaker 1: pretty pretty certain that this person existed and did do

111
00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,320
Speaker 1: a lot of cool things, but not sure about a

112
00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,159
Speaker 1: lot of the details. They might not be true, but whatever,

113
00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,440
Speaker 1: we're gonna have a good time with them anyway. Because

114
00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:29,320
Speaker 1: our episode today is about Queen Amina of Nigeria. So

115
00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:34,320
Speaker 1: two hundred years before British colonial rule, this Muslim Nigerian

116
00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:38,600
Speaker 1: queen ruled the House A Kingdom of Zazoo and conquered

117
00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,800
Speaker 1: so much territory that she controlled the largest House a

118
00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:46,560
Speaker 1: kingdom either before her or after her. So she was

119
00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:50,320
Speaker 1: a badass in the streets. But what about the sheets, Well,

120
00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,719
Speaker 1: she did quite a lot of conquering there too, So

121
00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,200
Speaker 1: let's learn about the warrior Queen Amina and her singular

122
00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:03,400
Speaker 1: approach to romance. Hey, their friends come listen. Well, Elia

123
00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,320
Speaker 1: and Diana got some stories to tell. There's no match

124
00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:11,280
Speaker 1: making a romantic tips. It's just about ridiculous relationships, a lover.

125
00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,640
Speaker 1: It might be any type of person at all, and

126
00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,760
Speaker 1: abstract cons that are a concrete wall. But if there's

127
00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:22,440
Speaker 1: a story where the second glance ridiculous rolls a production

128
00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:26,360
Speaker 1: if I heart radio. Alright, So before we get into

129
00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:30,080
Speaker 1: Queen Amina's actual story, we're gonna have to take a

130
00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:37,480
Speaker 1: quick fling with history are first. So the hous a

131
00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:41,320
Speaker 1: kingdom or house a land was a collection of states

132
00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,760
Speaker 1: in what is present day northern Nigeria, sort of between

133
00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,840
Speaker 1: Lake Chad and the River Niger. The legend of how

134
00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,760
Speaker 1: the House of People started these states is super fun,

135
00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,920
Speaker 1: although you know, probably not again historically true and quotes,

136
00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,760
Speaker 1: but but it is sort of the legend behind it,

137
00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,760
Speaker 1: so probably pulled from some truths. Ye, it's been embroidered

138
00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:06,920
Speaker 1: over the centuries. But yeah, as the legend goes, a

139
00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,800
Speaker 1: prince from Baghdad named Abu Yazd arrived in the state

140
00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:14,520
Speaker 1: of Dora hot and thirsty, and at this time Dara

141
00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:18,240
Speaker 1: was still a matriarchal society ruled by a kabara named

142
00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,440
Speaker 1: Maga Jia dar Rama. So he's hot. He gets him there,

143
00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:26,000
Speaker 1: he's thirsty, sweating the desert sun, you know, like you

144
00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:29,280
Speaker 1: do in the desert. He wants some water, and he

145
00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:31,720
Speaker 1: asked this older woman to bring him some and she

146
00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:35,880
Speaker 1: explained that the well in Dora was guarded by a

147
00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:41,720
Speaker 1: snake called Sarki. Sarki only allowed citizens to fetch water

148
00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:47,520
Speaker 1: on Fridays. So quite a quite a snake full of

149
00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:49,920
Speaker 1: rules here, Like this is snakes really laying on the

150
00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:56,920
Speaker 1: loft Fridays solely you're closed Saturday through Thursdays. I've got

151
00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:00,319
Speaker 1: a life too, you know. There you go. It's called

152
00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:04,960
Speaker 1: work life balance. Haven't you heard of it? So Abu

153
00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,360
Speaker 1: Yazid would have to wait until Friday. I mean, you know,

154
00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,720
Speaker 1: I don't know, snake have a little desk calendar. He'd

155
00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:15,319
Speaker 1: rip off the pages for aw them out. Is on Thursday.

156
00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:20,040
Speaker 1: That snake is like, I gotta work tomorrow. You know,

157
00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,400
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how long your weekend is, it never

158
00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:29,600
Speaker 1: feels long enough. So yeah, this snake is very strict,

159
00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:33,760
Speaker 1: and Abu Yazid was kind of like, I'm not about that.

160
00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,440
Speaker 1: He happened to be carrying a brand new knife from

161
00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,880
Speaker 1: the blacksmiths of Gaya as well as his trusty sword,

162
00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,160
Speaker 1: So he took himself on down to the Cusugu well

163
00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,719
Speaker 1: and killed the snake, beheaded it with his knife like

164
00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:52,200
Speaker 1: I'm just doing my job. Then he put the snake's

165
00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,480
Speaker 1: head into a bag and went back to the old

166
00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,079
Speaker 1: woman's house. I guess just to be like, see he's

167
00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:00,560
Speaker 1: dead now, you have nothing to fear, like kind of well,

168
00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,120
Speaker 1: you know, it's like it's like a horror movie, Like

169
00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,319
Speaker 1: if you kill the snake, you better take its head

170
00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:08,400
Speaker 1: with you because if you leave it there, you know,

171
00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,560
Speaker 1: it's gonna come back to life. Yeah, come back to fears,

172
00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,600
Speaker 1: you know, and that snake will be like that's it now.

173
00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:20,760
Speaker 1: It's only Fridays from noon to four. And the next day,

174
00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,800
Speaker 1: the Queen Magagia, Drama and the whole town of Dora

175
00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,880
Speaker 1: gathered around the well wondering who had slain the snake.

176
00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,480
Speaker 1: You know, they're all probably all also getting jugs water

177
00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:35,800
Speaker 1: taking them home as quick as possible. Another snake shows up,

178
00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:40,480
Speaker 1: and Drama offered sovereignty over half the town to anyone

179
00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,360
Speaker 1: who could prove that they had done it. That's a

180
00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,960
Speaker 1: pretty big prize. So there are a bunch of guys

181
00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,480
Speaker 1: did try. They showed up with like other snakeheads, like

182
00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:54,400
Speaker 1: just killing snakes right and left up in Dora and

183
00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,679
Speaker 1: being like I did it, and then they would put

184
00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:58,760
Speaker 1: them together the body in the head and be like, now,

185
00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:03,079
Speaker 1: please don't match. This is a copper head. Whereas we're

186
00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:07,400
Speaker 1: looking for somebody shows up with like a sock puppet

187
00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,440
Speaker 1: on their hands. It's like, look, I have killed the snake.

188
00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,240
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? Aren't where it killed me?

189
00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,040
Speaker 1: Oh my god, there's like no jokes. How to you

190
00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:22,400
Speaker 1: snake buk buk And that was the first ventriloquiess and

191
00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:29,120
Speaker 1: they threw him in the well. But yeah, that was

192
00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:30,800
Speaker 1: kind of stupid. Lie. I don't know why they bothered

193
00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:34,560
Speaker 1: doing that, so obviously not it. So then the old

194
00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:38,079
Speaker 1: woman from earlier, who yaz had asked for water, told

195
00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:42,000
Speaker 1: the Queen my my guest, Abu Yazid he killed the snake,

196
00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,400
Speaker 1: and he showed up and was like, yeah, I got

197
00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:48,080
Speaker 1: the head here. I did kill that snake. But he

198
00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,760
Speaker 1: turned down the offer to rule half of Dora. Instead

199
00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:56,800
Speaker 1: he asked Drama to marry him, and she agreed because

200
00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,760
Speaker 1: of his bravery he slaid the snake. I guess he's

201
00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:05,440
Speaker 1: wor the changing the whole government. But she said, you know,

202
00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,679
Speaker 1: queens aren't supposed to marry anyone. She had made queenly

203
00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,360
Speaker 1: vows to remain a virgin, and now she'd have to

204
00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,280
Speaker 1: undergo several rituals before they would be able to consummate

205
00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,040
Speaker 1: their marriage. Right, got a lot of legal red tape

206
00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,920
Speaker 1: to go through here before we can do it. But

207
00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,360
Speaker 1: but since he killed the snake, I will legal and

208
00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,520
Speaker 1: spiritual right. But you know, yeah, she knew that a

209
00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,560
Speaker 1: man had needs, so she gave him a concubine. I

210
00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,120
Speaker 1: guess to tie him over here you go with the

211
00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:36,000
Speaker 1: boe honor or something. This was a woman named Bagwaria,

212
00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:40,160
Speaker 1: and the people also started to call Abu Yazid bay Ajida,

213
00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:42,560
Speaker 1: which is the name that he's now best known as,

214
00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:48,640
Speaker 1: which meant he didn't understand the language before. What a name.

215
00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:52,120
Speaker 1: He's like, it's true though I didn't. Yeah, that's an

216
00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,600
Speaker 1: accurate name. I didn't know the language before, now I do.

217
00:12:56,280 --> 00:13:00,120
Speaker 1: One day, Bagwariya had a son named Karbagari, which in

218
00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:05,360
Speaker 1: housa means he snatched the town now of course that

219
00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,600
Speaker 1: worried drama. She's like, my son is supposed to inherit

220
00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,080
Speaker 1: this whole place, and now this guy is named he

221
00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,840
Speaker 1: snatched the town. Like that's a bad omen, right, what

222
00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:15,680
Speaker 1: do you think is going to happen around here at

223
00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:20,560
Speaker 1: So when she had her own son, she named him Bowoh,

224
00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:27,640
Speaker 1: which meant give it back. Battle of the shade is

225
00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:33,800
Speaker 1: on the birth certificate. So YadA had a son with

226
00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:38,199
Speaker 1: his queen and another with his enslaved mistress, and each

227
00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:42,160
Speaker 1: of those sons had seven sons of their own. Okay,

228
00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:47,760
Speaker 1: so fourteen sons, seven from the mistress Kay and the

229
00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:53,040
Speaker 1: seven sons of car Bargary reigned over the seven states

230
00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:57,840
Speaker 1: of the Benza Bakwai, which means the bastard or bogus seven.

231
00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,800
Speaker 1: And these states were like considered illegitimate. I guess because

232
00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:07,400
Speaker 1: of Bugwadiya's slave status. She wasn't like official wife, your

233
00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:12,000
Speaker 1: mother's concubine. So we're counting you. You're not really royalty

234
00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,880
Speaker 1: the same way that the queen's sons are royalty. I

235
00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:20,120
Speaker 1: guess people on their bloodlines are so. And yeah, I

236
00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,800
Speaker 1: will admit I did get a little bit lost in

237
00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,880
Speaker 1: the varying details of this legend, because there's it is

238
00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,360
Speaker 1: a legend, it's an oral tradition, it's been passed down

239
00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:32,080
Speaker 1: so many other sources don't fully agree on these details.

240
00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,040
Speaker 1: You gotta imagine the translations. By the time we were

241
00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:39,880
Speaker 1: you know, who knows what is happening anymore, but um,

242
00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,280
Speaker 1: but it seemed to me that these seven states were

243
00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,400
Speaker 1: like neighboring states of the House of Kingdom. They shared

244
00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:49,480
Speaker 1: sometimes a similar language or similar religion, but they weren't

245
00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:52,200
Speaker 1: like part of the House of Kingdom. They were just

246
00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:56,120
Speaker 1: bordering into. And then the seven Sons of Bowo reigned

247
00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:59,040
Speaker 1: over the seven states of the House of Bakwai or

248
00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,480
Speaker 1: the legitimate seven, which made up the House a Kingdom

249
00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:06,040
Speaker 1: that we're talking about. And by fifteen thirty three, our

250
00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:08,880
Speaker 1: hero Amina was born in one of the largest of

251
00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:12,680
Speaker 1: the Housa Bakwe states, Zizoo, reigned over by her father,

252
00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:18,600
Speaker 1: King Nikotao they ruler, and her mother Queen Bakwa Tonku

253
00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:23,840
Speaker 1: cool Okay. Now, these seven states had back when they

254
00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:27,960
Speaker 1: were formed, divided up production and labor activities based on

255
00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,760
Speaker 1: their natural resources and their location. So sort of like

256
00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,600
Speaker 1: in the US, we've got like the bread's Basket states,

257
00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,440
Speaker 1: and this is the you know, the northeast is where

258
00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:40,600
Speaker 1: we put all the fancy colleges down to the southeast

259
00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,000
Speaker 1: where we get our agriculture, and the west coast is

260
00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,960
Speaker 1: where we get all our marijuana, and you know, we

261
00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:49,520
Speaker 1: kind of everything sort of broken up. In the great

262
00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:53,440
Speaker 1: plains of Kano and Rano, cotton grew abundantly, so they

263
00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,520
Speaker 1: became the primary producers of cloth, and they were called

264
00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:00,520
Speaker 1: the chiefs of Indigo. Katsina and dur Ra had the

265
00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:03,360
Speaker 1: most direct access to the caravan roots across the desert,

266
00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,000
Speaker 1: so they were the chiefs of the market. And go

267
00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,120
Speaker 1: Beer was the most western of the states, so it

268
00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,840
Speaker 1: was the chief of war in charge of protecting the

269
00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:17,320
Speaker 1: empire from like Ghana and Songhai and Zazoo supplied labor.

270
00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:21,840
Speaker 1: They were known as the chief of slaves. And again

271
00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,640
Speaker 1: a lot of the sources we saw about Queen Amina

272
00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:28,880
Speaker 1: Um said that Zazo was a peaceful kingdom. They traded

273
00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:32,720
Speaker 1: kola nuts, cloth, salt, medals, and horses, and they don't

274
00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:37,560
Speaker 1: mention slaves at all. But that doesn't really smack true

275
00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:41,000
Speaker 1: because Amina is really well known for her military exploits

276
00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,280
Speaker 1: and distinguishing herself in the military. If you're a very

277
00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:47,080
Speaker 1: peaceful kingdom, I'm not sure why that would be your

278
00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:50,520
Speaker 1: focus even before. And this is even before they were

279
00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:52,920
Speaker 1: at war all the time, Like this was even as

280
00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:54,800
Speaker 1: a kid. So I'm like, well, why would you care

281
00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:58,040
Speaker 1: about that if you weren't really using it and seeing

282
00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,000
Speaker 1: glory in it, you know what I mean? Um? And

283
00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:04,080
Speaker 1: then also, how did you get slaves in the sixteenth

284
00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:08,159
Speaker 1: century except by leading military campaigns into other countries and

285
00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,160
Speaker 1: winning and capturing all their people and taking them hostage.

286
00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:15,840
Speaker 1: That's sort of how you made slaves out of regular people.

287
00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:20,040
Speaker 1: How one made slaves, how one would have made a

288
00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:23,560
Speaker 1: slave back in the day. Um. So yeah, it just

289
00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:25,879
Speaker 1: makes more sense to me that they might have had

290
00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,760
Speaker 1: something of a military bearing upon them, you know, to

291
00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:31,600
Speaker 1: go out there and get these people or whatever to

292
00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:35,479
Speaker 1: to trade, and that maybe it just muddies her legacy

293
00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:37,160
Speaker 1: a little bit for some folks, so they just kind

294
00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:40,199
Speaker 1: of leave it out, like talking about like really cool boss,

295
00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:42,040
Speaker 1: and we don't want to talk about the slave parts

296
00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,879
Speaker 1: like we do with George Washington. We do with George Washington.

297
00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:51,720
Speaker 1: So Amana is like George Washington Ford. At the end

298
00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:53,280
Speaker 1: of the episode, you can tell us whether you think,

299
00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,719
Speaker 1: I mean it was like George Washington or not. In

300
00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,520
Speaker 1: one way at least, she was definitely not anything like

301
00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:02,840
Speaker 1: George Washington. So okay. So amongst all these kind of

302
00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:08,000
Speaker 1: disparate sources and varying versions of her story, what is

303
00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,840
Speaker 1: consistent is that she was a favorite at the court,

304
00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:14,720
Speaker 1: seen as a contender to inherit her mother's throne. So

305
00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,119
Speaker 1: she was instructed in everything that she'd need to know

306
00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:21,280
Speaker 1: to be a queen. Amina particularly liked to devote herself

307
00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:25,199
Speaker 1: to military training. But when she was sixteen, she was

308
00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:27,960
Speaker 1: named the heir apparent for the queen, and she was

309
00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,920
Speaker 1: given forty women slaves of her own to mark the occasion,

310
00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:35,800
Speaker 1: and she mostly spent her time battling proposals. Obviously, I mean,

311
00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:39,080
Speaker 1: you're sixteen, you got your in line for the throne.

312
00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:41,960
Speaker 1: She's probably fit as hell because she's always trained in

313
00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:46,120
Speaker 1: military stuff. So there's all these people like tripping over like, yes,

314
00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:48,800
Speaker 1: I want you to be my warrior, protective wife, and

315
00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,320
Speaker 1: I want to inherit all your power. Also, also, I

316
00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,360
Speaker 1: bet she was getting some of these proposals one way

317
00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,280
Speaker 1: before she was sixteen. Well, yes, that might be true too.

318
00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,760
Speaker 1: According to Oral legends collected by anthropologists vid E. Jones.

319
00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,879
Speaker 1: Attempts to gain her hand included quote a daily offer

320
00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:09,440
Speaker 1: of ten slaves from Makamma and quote fifty male slaves

321
00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,159
Speaker 1: and fifty female slaves, as well as fifty bags of

322
00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:15,959
Speaker 1: white and blue cloth from the Sarkin or king of Conno.

323
00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:23,399
Speaker 1: But Amina dodged all these proposals, although like, uh, Makammas

324
00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:27,919
Speaker 1: showing up shorthanded to that party, okay, like ten and

325
00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,720
Speaker 1: he's shown up with a hundred and all his cloth too.

326
00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,879
Speaker 1: I brought you a hundred slaves. And also I'm going

327
00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,800
Speaker 1: to fill up your craft room with all this fabric

328
00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:42,240
Speaker 1: so you can make some stuff. Yeah, man, Makama was like, well,

329
00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,760
Speaker 1: but I offer him every day, so persistance went the

330
00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:49,879
Speaker 1: bras Makammas like I brought you a single white rose.

331
00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:54,600
Speaker 1: I don't think this time, sorry, Mamma. Because our girl

332
00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,439
Speaker 1: was a fighter, not a lover, and she joined her

333
00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:02,840
Speaker 1: brother Karamas cavalry and distinguished herself in battles, winning enormous

334
00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:07,640
Speaker 1: wealth and prestige for herself. Around fifteen sixty six, Karama,

335
00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,520
Speaker 1: her brother became the king after their parents died, and

336
00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:14,680
Speaker 1: then she was basically put in charge of his whole cavalry,

337
00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,720
Speaker 1: pretty unusual for a woman at that time or probably

338
00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,679
Speaker 1: any time since um, but she had already won the

339
00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,679
Speaker 1: respect of all the troops from her years of already

340
00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:27,000
Speaker 1: run around being awesome, and so she continued to just

341
00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:31,080
Speaker 1: distinguish herself even more so. Ten years later, her brother

342
00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,680
Speaker 1: died and she ascended to the throne as Queen Amina

343
00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,840
Speaker 1: in fifteen seventy six. And we will find out what

344
00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:46,719
Speaker 1: she did with that throne right after this Welcome back

345
00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:55,479
Speaker 1: to the show were on tonight. I don't know, all right,

346
00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,080
Speaker 1: So Amina is the queen now, and it's going to

347
00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,480
Speaker 1: be exactly how she wants to be. In one of

348
00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,480
Speaker 1: Amina's earliest speeches to her people, she told them, quote,

349
00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:09,600
Speaker 1: re sharpen your weapons, right, She's I got a plan.

350
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,960
Speaker 1: You're gonna need point to things to do it. And

351
00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,919
Speaker 1: only three months after being crowned, she began the first

352
00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,640
Speaker 1: military campaign of what would become a thirty four year

353
00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:23,679
Speaker 1: war to conquer the other House of Lance. She wanted

354
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,600
Speaker 1: better trade routes for her state, which was basically the

355
00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,920
Speaker 1: main reason that all the House of Kingdoms fought continually

356
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:33,000
Speaker 1: amongst themselves throughout the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries. Controlling trade

357
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,600
Speaker 1: routes in the Sahara Desert was basically controlling the world,

358
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,720
Speaker 1: so they all wanted to be the state to do it.

359
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,200
Speaker 1: And Amina also wanted to reduce the other states to

360
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:47,280
Speaker 1: vassal states. They would all be ruled by her and

361
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 1: they would pay tribute to the mighty Nation of Zazaw.

362
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 1: And though she was at war for pretty much the

363
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 1: entire length of her reign, she achieved both those goals.

364
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 1: She expanded Zazo's territory to the biggest it had ever been,

365
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,439
Speaker 1: with her army of over twenty thou foot soldiers and

366
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:12,919
Speaker 1: one thousand cavalry troops annexing Kano and Katsina and ruling

367
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,879
Speaker 1: them as vassals who were made to pay tributes. And

368
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,960
Speaker 1: an example from African feminist forum dot com notes a

369
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:25,359
Speaker 1: payment of forty eunuchs and ten thousand kola nuts. It

370
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 1: was just like imagine the poor guy who had to

371
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:33,359
Speaker 1: sit then count out ten thousand individual ConA nuts. And

372
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 1: eventually she made her kingdom the trading center for all

373
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,959
Speaker 1: of southern Housland, spanning the traditional east to west trans

374
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:46,960
Speaker 1: Saharan access and bringing untold wealth to Zazoo. She is

375
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,879
Speaker 1: also credited with introducing metal armor like iron helmets and

376
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 1: chainmail to her troops, so they probably felt pretty taken

377
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,359
Speaker 1: care of. I mean, that's pretty nice. What have we

378
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 1: learned from leaders in especially ancient history? If you treat

379
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,879
Speaker 1: your army right, then they back you for rulership, so

380
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 1: that the good rulers always knew take care of your

381
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 1: army first. Well, I won't say the good rulers, but

382
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 1: the militant rulers always knew to take care of your

383
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,160
Speaker 1: army first, right. They were like, wow, you care if

384
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 1: we live or die. So not only that, she also

385
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,640
Speaker 1: had a flair for architecture. She had these very strong

386
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 1: earthen walls built around her city that became the prototype

387
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 1: for fortifications used in all houses states. She'd have walls

388
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,360
Speaker 1: built around her conquered cities, and many of those are

389
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 1: still in place today. They're called gonawar Amina or Amina's walls.

390
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,439
Speaker 1: Walls were as important to African urban development as they

391
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 1: were in European cities because, of course, they defined boundaries

392
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:50,120
Speaker 1: pretty clearly, and they were also useful for defense, and

393
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 1: they controlled people's entrances and exits to a city. I

394
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 1: can't go wrong with a big wall. I mean, I

395
00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 1: don't know, it wasn't too popular. Hey, I'm sold. I'm

396
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 1: ready for big walls. I said, We've build a big

397
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,400
Speaker 1: one around the city, and then just build one right

398
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 1: through the middle, just so. Like you know, some people

399
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 1: live on one side and right right, right right, not

400
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 1: for any reason that always that always works out right.

401
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, if you use your turn signals, you

402
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 1: can come on this side of this wall, and if

403
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 1: you don't, you live on that side of the wall,

404
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 1: and they're chaos. They're both perfectly fine sides of the wall.

405
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,919
Speaker 1: Just one of them has otherwise sunshine and playgrounds and

406
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 1: the other has you know, swamps and mosquitoes. Use your

407
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:44,879
Speaker 1: turn signal speed. Well, he lives on a warpath. So

408
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 1: in addition to all those reasons for walls, mosquitoes, et cetera,

409
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:53,479
Speaker 1: African Feminist Forum also points out that quote. Politically, walls

410
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 1: were considered prestigious, their size a measure of a ruler's

411
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 1: ability to command the labor of his or her subjects.

412
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: The walls constructed by Queen Amina not only protected housing

413
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 1: markets from external threats emanating from the south, but also

414
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 1: became an enduring legacy to her glorious reign, and apparently

415
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 1: even walls that were built after her time are still

416
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: called Gonar Amina in tribute to her. I mean, sure,

417
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 1: she basically invented them for them, so that makes sense.

418
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, she didn't just waltz into these places, kick

419
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 1: ass and build walls. No, no, no, friends, she also

420
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 1: got builds. As we know, Amina was not interested in

421
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,360
Speaker 1: getting married and given up her power to some dude.

422
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: She had been avoiding proposals since she was a teenager,

423
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: maybe even before, and in the thirty four years that

424
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 1: she was in charge, she never wavered from that. She

425
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 1: never married. But a lady has needs, so in every village, town,

426
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,120
Speaker 1: and city she conquered, she would select one hot young

427
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,640
Speaker 1: warrior from a defeated populist and have her away within

428
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: that night and then in the morning. As historian Sydney

429
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: John Hogbin wrote in his book The Emirates of Northern Nigeria,

430
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:12,719
Speaker 1: quote her brief bridegroom was beheaded so that none should

431
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 1: live to tell the tale. We don't have much info

432
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: about this beyond the legend, which again is a legend, right.

433
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 1: No one wrote this down at the time. I mean,

434
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: I didn't keep you know, a little personal diary, right,

435
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: so this could all be bullshit. Yeah, so I think

436
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 1: that we should maybe pull into speculation station and stay

437
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: awhile because I got questions that I feel like making

438
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 1: up some answers to. That's fair, that's fair. So, for example,

439
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you, how do you think she

440
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: treated them in bed? Because I'm assuming she was seeing

441
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: them as like a tool, like attached to some legs.

442
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 1: But she's like, so, do you think she was just like,

443
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: come on in here, down, let's get this going, jumped

444
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: up on their satisfied herself, and then kicked him out.

445
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: Or do you think that like she actually romance romance

446
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: from you? Yeah? Yeah, I like to thank the ladder.

447
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: It would be nice if at least for your last

448
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 1: your last lay, it was a pleasant you know, right,

449
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 1: like a sweet bonding experience. Like you come in into

450
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 1: her tent or whatever, and there's like candle it and

451
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: there's like rose petals and she's like, hey, come on in,

452
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 1: We're going to have a good time. You and I.

453
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 1: Don't you worry about the future. Let's just live in

454
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 1: the now. Yeah, yeah, we'll just live in the now.

455
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 1: We don't want to get ahead of ourselves. You know

456
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: that's funny just for personal reasons. You don't need to know.

457
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: He's like, what's that about? Hid give me some You're

458
00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: gonna give me some head, and then you're gonna give

459
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 1: me another head. That's for me to know. When you

460
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: to find out, I must feel like that'd be more

461
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: disconcerting to have someone that be like you, you're my

462
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: prisoner now lightly feathers some kisses at my neck. I'd

463
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 1: be like, I don't know, Like, you know, she picks

464
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: them out, do they do? They go back to the

465
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 1: quarters that they're keeping them in the prisoner or whatever,

466
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,439
Speaker 1: and they're the guys telling them like I think that

467
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: queen is into me. It's like I don't want to,

468
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: you know, I get ahead of myself here. But this

469
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: lady was making eyes and she told me to come

470
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: back to her room tonight. Now like what that's like

471
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: the enemy queen that's super hot, Like, yeah, I'm pretty

472
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: sure I'm going to be king tomorrow, right, say hello

473
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: to your new Sarkin boys. And then she's like, well,

474
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: I promise you you'll be You'll be king as long

475
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: as you have somewhere to wear a crown. Oh maybe

476
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: that's why she did the head probably let me cut

477
00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: your head off like the snake from the well Baby.

478
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,239
Speaker 1: That's yeah. Do you think she ever was like I

479
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: like it rough, you know, suck me like I'm the

480
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: last person you're ever going to fuck. No reasons, just

481
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: what I'm into, No questions, no follow up questions. Also,

482
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: I want to say too that some of the legends

483
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: say she did this every night. So I did the math.

484
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: A dude to night for thirty four years is twelve thousand,

485
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: four hundred and ten guys, not scanning leap years, just

486
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: one more every four years. It's one more every four years.

487
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: But I can assume that she probably skipped a night

488
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: or two. I don't know, but maybe when she had

489
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: a plan, she stuck to it. That's so true. And

490
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: she had a stated goal and I you know she

491
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: she she achieved her goals. That's also twelve heads. That's

492
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, she killed a lot of people, right.

493
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: Do you think some nights she would just bring one

494
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: of these guys in, one of these prisoners and he

495
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: be like, oh, okay, yeah, is that what I'm here for?

496
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: And she's like, no, I have a headache tonight, and

497
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: just like made him sit there while she read she

498
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: watched Gossip Girl. I just wanted you to come and

499
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: watch Gossip Girl with me. I don't like to watch

500
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: it by myself. I got imagine, out of twelve thousand,

501
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: four ten dudes, there was at least one where she

502
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I like you. You know you

503
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: were a fun one off with your head. It's gonna

504
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: it's gonna really hurt me in the morning when you

505
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: when you have to go, you have to leave. Yeah, no, no,

506
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: don't don't bother collecting your things. I'll have them buried

507
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: with I mean sent to you buried. I mean, don't

508
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: worry for guys who also do you think that she

509
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: killed one faster if he wasn't very good in bed?

510
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, sure, like if you didn't bring her to orgasm, right,

511
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: it was it a worse death for you? Like you

512
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: were beheaded if you did a well on a no,

513
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: and like if you did badly, well we come up

514
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: with a whole new thing. Yeah, pit full of snakes.

515
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: Or do you think she's just like, yeah, that was awful.

516
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: Behead him and bring me another. I liked that. I

517
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: have a second choice. I've got my b list. Yeah,

518
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: was it like, you can bring me one of them,

519
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: you know what. I'm not done yet, bring me another one,

520
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,719
Speaker 1: bring me another you know what? We finished? It was okay.

521
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: We watched a couple episodes of of and just like that,

522
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm ready for round two. But I

523
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: changed things up. Varieties, spice to life. Man, geez all,

524
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: these guys are wearing me out. I'm exhausted to take

525
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: a little break. Yeah, let's let's go. Yeah, there's more

526
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: to a Minas story and we'll be right back with

527
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: it right after this. Welcome back to the show everyone,

528
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: and grew out of speculations Asian God, I love it there. Yeah.

529
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: It was a nice place, expensive sandwiches. Well you know,

530
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: whenever you're in before you go a station. Yeah. So

531
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: that was Amina's life for thirty four years. She was

532
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: establishing new trade routes, she was building walls, she was

533
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: boning dudes, and she was being a bus Yes. But

534
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: around sixteen ten she died. And historians don't really agree

535
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: where this happened, but it was not in some comfy place.

536
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: We know that much, Sydney John Hogband said quote. At

537
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: that time, Amina had pushed the frontiers of Zazoo south

538
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: of the Niger Benue Confluence, which is in southeastern Nigeria.

539
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: So it sounds like she probably died in or after

540
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: a battle, maybe maybe even after a vigorous session with

541
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: one of her part time lovers Speculation Station. But sadly,

542
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: as British historian Michael Crowder writes, quote ruling class, how's

543
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: a woman experienced a steady diminution in their influence and

544
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: we're systematically deprived of their authority and autonomy in the

545
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: generations after. I mean it's death and that's pretty well

546
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: represented in Amina's legacy. To me um, in traditional house

547
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: of praise songs, they sing, quote Amina daughter of Niko Tao,

548
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,479
Speaker 1: a woman as capable as a man. And I'm like,

549
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: I mean, guys, she conquered more land than anyone before

550
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: or after her, So doesn't that make her more capable

551
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: than a man, Like she's better than all of them?

552
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: What's this qualifier doing here? But whatever, that's fine. Uh,

553
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: it's not for me to say, I guess um, And

554
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: it is true. Things are not super great for women

555
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: in Nigeria today. The country is ruled by Sharia law, which,

556
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: even when applied pretty liberally restricts women's opportunities and their

557
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: lives UM in much the same way that really any

558
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: religio in can and has at some point in history.

559
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: So I don't want to just be calling out Muslim

560
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: the Muslim religion over here. That's not what's happening. No,

561
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: definitely not. Um A lot of actually a lot of it.

562
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: If you look up the complaints of Nigerian women, I

563
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: read a lot of them, and a lot of them

564
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: were upsettingly familiar to me and any woman that you know.

565
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,760
Speaker 1: So it's not like it's the country, it's not the religion,

566
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: it's not the people, it's just what Well, it's the

567
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: people in charge. Yeah, it's people. Well, it's people. I

568
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: think people when we get power, we turn into assholes.

569
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 1: Um So Anyway, the real big bad stuff that's happening

570
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: there is that culturally it is considered like okay, to

571
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: hit your wife to discipline her, that's considered pretty normal practice.

572
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: So it's incredibly common their domestic violence, UM. Rape, sexual

573
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: assault also very high, and the practice of female generally

574
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: mutilation is pretty prevalent in Nigeria. One in five women

575
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: experience it between the ages of fifteen and forty nine.

576
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: And I'm not going to get into FGM UM or

577
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 1: general cutting as it can be called sometimes because it

578
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: is horrifying. I did a paper on it in high

579
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: school and I've never been the same since. It's very upsetting. Um.

580
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,280
Speaker 1: But it's it's crazy, and women there are also usually

581
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: defined by their prescribed ginger roles of wife and mother,

582
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: and it doesn't seem to be like very celebrated or

583
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: encouraged for women to become anything else. You know, it's

584
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 1: very much like, oh cool, you're educated, which is normal

585
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: there to be educated, but it's mostly about when you

586
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: get married, when you're having kids, you know. It's we

587
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 1: don't really care about accomplishments the same way, although must

588
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: be said there are women ministers there, women nurses and

589
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,959
Speaker 1: bank tellers and TV hosts. Things are gradually improving there

590
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 1: from some of the things I read. In fact, the

591
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: percentage of women who experience FGM there has actually gone

592
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: down in the past few years, so even though it's

593
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 1: still incredibly high, to me, it is it is going down.

594
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: There's like a sea change with FGM. It seems to

595
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: be going on in Africa right now, so that's nice

596
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: to know. Especially I would love to tell my high

597
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: school self like, don't worry girl, Like they're working on

598
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 1: it because she was upset, right, And I mean, yeah,

599
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: in terms of women, the expectation being that they fill

600
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: the roles of wife and motherhood not uncommon. Again, that

601
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: doesn't sound very different from a lot of this country

602
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: right here exactly. And yeah, I really want to make

603
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: sure that we stress that because I'm not over here

604
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 1: trying to judge in African country or in Islamic country.

605
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: That's not for me to say. I don't know anything

606
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: about what. I really don't know much about Islam at all.

607
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: I haven't ever read the Koran or like done any

608
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: look into it. But yeah, a lot of people say,

609
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,399
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, scholars of that book say

610
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: that it it's specifically is like there is no subordination

611
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: between genders. Everyone is equal, but it's being applied very

612
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 1: badly and interpreted very badly in this way, in this

613
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: Orthodox way or whatever, which I was like, again, that

614
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: sounds like a lot of Orthodox religions and often lean

615
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: into some of the worst aspects and most controlling aspects

616
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: of their religion that are open to them. So that's

617
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,280
Speaker 1: just a common that's a tailor's oldest time true true

618
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: and as as wide as the earth. Yeah, man, I

619
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: saw a this Instagram. I wish, I wish I knew

620
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: what it was off the top of my head. But

621
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: I remember going to Instagram and somehow found um a

622
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: tag for this Nigerian coffee shop and it looked like

623
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: the coolest, hippest, like most badass coffee shop I've ever seen.

624
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:45,959
Speaker 1: And every single person who tagged themselves that coffee shot,

625
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: if I may, was one of the most attractive people

626
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 1: I've ever seen in my block. I was like, what

627
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: is this coffee shop for Nigerian models? But I want

628
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: to and can I please go? And also I would

629
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 1: be so embarrassed to walk through those stories because I would,

630
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:07,479
Speaker 1: for many reasons, look very out of place. Chief among them,

631
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: these were twelves, I mean right, walking around like a

632
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: bunch of sixes. And my parents actually been to Nigeria.

633
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: You really loved that country as beautiful as that, everyone

634
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: is super friendly and there's just so many cool things

635
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: about it. I'm dying to go, especially after seeing a

636
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: lot of these pictures. And as you said, if you

637
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 1: look online, there's some amazing architecture and my cool art

638
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: and all kinds of wonderful things absolutely in Nigeria. So

639
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: don't define a country by its worst quality statistics, you know, yes,

640
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 1: because if you do, we're off the I don't know

641
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: if you've heard about our health care, but the amount

642
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: of shooting deaths here. But even so, amidst all this

643
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: info about Nigeria, Amina's legend is still celebrated. Yes, she

644
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: has a at you at the National Arts Theater in Lagos, Nigeria,

645
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: depicting her on a horseback looking fierce as hell like

646
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: our sword up. She's looking dope. Steve McQueen, the filmmaker,

647
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 1: not not the actor, for the recent filmmaker Steve McQueen.

648
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: He included her story in his anthology series Small Acts.

649
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: And she even appears in a couple of video games

650
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: like I just saw, I just googled, and there's one

651
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: that came out last year just called Queen Amina and

652
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: it's like a strategy game. I bet it is, Yeah,

653
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,919
Speaker 1: and you better do her proud. You better win that game.

654
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:39,240
Speaker 1: She don't lose. I wonder if they include the like

655
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: instead of going to sleep, like in Minecraft, you have

656
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 1: to pick a guy and then you go into the

657
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: tent or whatever regenerates your health regenerates your health. So

658
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we get into it. Even if

659
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: we're unhappy about maybe the treatment of women as a

660
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: group in Nigeria today, at least we can take comfort

661
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: knowing that queen and took out as many dudes as

662
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 1: possible she was alive. Yes, I mean, I'll say, I

663
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: will say, we laugh, we laugh. It's easier to laugh obviously,

664
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: Like it would be a little more sympathetic. I think

665
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: if the gender roles were reversed here, because it would

666
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 1: be a little this is totally twisted and dark and

667
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: not cool that she executed prisoners of war. I just

668
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: sleep with them. It's silly the way we're looking at

669
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: it now. You know, it's very distant historically, so hopefully

670
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 1: you know, we're not offending any of their descendants, although

671
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 1: I guess they probably didn't have anything, well unless they

672
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: already they were. He's like, I I mean that's possible. Like,

673
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: you know, if you think about it too hard, it's

674
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: a dark set story. Funny, we're trying to keep it

675
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: light here. Who turned the mood down out? It was me?

676
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: But no, you're right, it's so true though that, Yeah,

677
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: if the gender roles were reversed, this would be a

678
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: very different story. It's not that we feel any differently

679
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: about it or telling any differently, but I think it

680
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: would be harder to make funny because we see men

681
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: abusing women so constantly and regularly and easily that that

682
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: it makes it, you know, a little less easy to

683
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 1: kind of make light of the situation. Yeah, I think,

684
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: because I think it's just more at the front of

685
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: our minds. When I think of a guy taking women

686
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: into his home and then killing them the next day,

687
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, that's too close to home, that's too

688
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: you can think at all time recent story about it. Yeah,

689
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: so you know, it's a little easier to separate in

690
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 1: this context. And I think also if if it is

691
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: not true, if it is not true, it was probably

692
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: added to the story as the kind of a reaction

693
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: to the treatment of women that you know, it might

694
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: have been kind of a great feeling to be like,

695
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: but she probably I don't know, banged the dude and

696
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,240
Speaker 1: then killed him and then moved on to the next

697
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: one every day, like just like you do to us,

698
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, just like a turn the

699
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: tables sort of, yeah, totally sort of embroidery totally that happening, absolutely,

700
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: So that's fun. That makes it fun. So well, that's

701
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 1: the other thing too, is that this is largely in

702
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: myth legend, so we're you know, unlikely that we're that

703
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 1: there's any remaining people who are hurt by what Queen

704
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: Amina did. Yeah, it's just a silly story. Well in

705
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: a cool one, because it really was. You know, it's

706
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: it's agreed upon that she did exist, did rule Zaw,

707
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 1: and did was a total military boss and did do

708
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: a lot of these things that we're talking about. Um,

709
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 1: so yeah, that's pretty cool. Well, I mean, I don't

710
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: know that great leaders are the ones who go and

711
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: conquer a bunch of other lands. Like I would say

712
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: she was a badass, that she was super cool if

713
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: she was, like I negotiated all these trade deals and

714
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: peace treaties And that's obviously way more are boring historical story.

715
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: But Queen Amina sat down at the conference and sharpened

716
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: her what would happen next? The wit was flying and

717
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: there were casualties. That night. She took one of the

718
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 1: prisoners home and released him. Oh my god, that's a

719
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: cool leader. To me, that's a cool leader. But obviously

720
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: doesn't make a great movie, right. Well, you know, and

721
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: of course back in the fifteen sixteenth century, that is

722
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,959
Speaker 1: what made a great leader, was expanding your empire. Yeah,

723
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: I guess, well, they could have provided healthcare to all

724
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: their citizens. Maybe they did. Maybe they did. I mean,

725
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: name me a leader who hasn't done horrible things. Dolly Parton, Well, okay,

726
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: she's a cultural leader. Okay, okay, you mean like a

727
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: governmentational leader. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it. I'm gonna have

728
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: to noodle on that one. Yeah. I don't think there's

729
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: an answer, and I'm not gonna. Hey, send us your recommendations.

730
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: We'll do a we'll do a bracket the least problematic

731
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: leaders in history, contemporary or historical. If he gets just sinda,

732
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: I think we can get her on there. Yeah, okay, yeah,

733
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure she's you know whatever. I don't know. I'm

734
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 1: not gonna start calling out other world leaders. Don't do it,

735
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:33,439
Speaker 1: Angela Merkel. Look, they've all got problems, can't. You can't

736
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 1: get to a position of power without it. I think

737
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: you're right. That's it's kind of like a crossing a

738
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 1: certain threshold of money. I feel is like is like

739
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: a complete like you, you turn you, I don't know

740
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 1: you like surface, you know what I mean, Like it's

741
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: just a completely different atmosphere that you're living in at

742
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: some point that that just so disconnects you from the

743
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: rest of us, and we're all like, what are you

744
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 1: talking about? Like there's a there's a there's a at

745
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 1: least at least in America. It's rare to be able

746
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: to make a certain amount of money over over a

747
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: certain amount of money without doing something bad to do it,

748
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: you know, without at some point saying, yeah, I don't

749
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: really care what happens to that person. I would rather

750
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: have the money at some point you got a two

751
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: point somewhere otherwise somewhere, Otherwise I would be a very

752
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: wealthy person. But I'm just too kind. That's really what

753
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: it was. That's what it is. That's what it is.

754
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: It's my kindness is my poverty that's uh standing in

755
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: the way of my ambitions. I'd rather I'd rather have

756
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: the wealth of kindness. Oh, I'm perfectly happy with my

757
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: kindness and my PlayStation four. I don't need a PlayStation

758
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: five right now. False. It's true. It's true because you

759
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: said do not by that, because there's no reason to

760
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: get a PS five yet, right, like if you come

761
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,919
Speaker 1: across one, snatch it up, and so hard to find.

762
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 1: But that's that's intentional, because there's no reason to get

763
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: one yet. When there is, I totally will. Yeah, I

764
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: will spend my last penny and I will and I

765
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: will tell someone. Sorry, I don't care what happens to you.

766
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: I'd rather have a PlayStation five. Oh no, it's happening

767
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: to me. You've become the thing that you're started, just

768
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: to destroy it. All right, Well we've we've noodled around

769
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: here enough. But yeah, I hope you really enjoyed this

770
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: story about Queen Aminageria. It was super fun to look

771
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 1: into this full legend of her legend and also the

772
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: legend of the houseland and it's snake and everything. Yeah,

773
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: it's gonna say, it's so cool, like we have so

774
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: many typical legends and myths over here at least that

775
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: we learn from Greek mythology and things like that, and

776
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: it's cool to hear some of these other ones. Yeah,

777
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 1: I didn't know. It is a verily a very popular story,

778
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: but I've never heard it. Yeah, of course, if you

779
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: want to do anything more actionable for Nigerian women. After

780
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,439
Speaker 1: some of the stuff that we talked about, we did

781
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: find some nonprofit organizations that are doing some really good

782
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: work around education and business opportunities, rate prevention UM, combating

783
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,720
Speaker 1: female genital cutting UM. So we will share some links

784
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: in our socials fe It's like on our Twitter and

785
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 1: Instagram and stuff of places that you can check out.

786
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: If their mission aligns with what you care about in

787
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: your life, please do donate and help them do this

788
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: work in the community. And again we're not like affiliator

789
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: sponsored by any of these folks or whatever. Like, we

790
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: just really did a Google search and and I run

791
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: a nonprofit, so I did look some things up on

792
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: guide Star and make sure I didn't send you out

793
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: some crazy crazy but but that's that's We just found

794
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: some good stuff. And if you have those statistics moved

795
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: you in any way and you feel like throwing some

796
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 1: money at it, please do. And yeah, I've always reach

797
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: as always reach out. We'd love to hear your reaction

798
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: to this story, UM, any of our jokes. If you

799
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: have any jokes on your own about what was going on,

800
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: always open to hearing those. Our email is Romance at

801
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: i heeart Media dot com yes, or you can reach

802
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,280
Speaker 1: us on Twitter and Instagram. I'm at Oh great, it's Eli,

803
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: I'm at Diana Mite Boom, or just follow along with

804
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 1: the show at ridic Romance. We've got you know, we're

805
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: back on the memes. We've got some great posts for

806
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 1: the show, and it's a really great spot right now

807
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 1: to sort of discuss the show with other listeners. I've

808
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: been having some nice comments going on there. People sort

809
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 1: of give their feedback, and if you've got a conversation

810
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: you want to have, that's a great place to start it.

811
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: So follow along, yeah and yeah, enjoy yourselves. We'll catch

812
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: you with another cool new episode next week on Wednesday.

813
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: Can't wait to see you then. Yeah, I love you,

814
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 1: Bye bye bye, So long friends, it's time to go.

815
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 1: Thanks so listening to our show. Tell your friends name's uncle.

816
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 1: Send to listen to a show Ridiculous Rolls