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Speaker 2: of the New York Giants. I am John Schmoe, joined

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Speaker 2: as always by Tony Paul, who covers the draft and

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Speaker 2: from the Giants Podcast Studio presented by Hackensack Marine Health.

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Speaker 2: Keep getting better, Tony. The college football season is finally over,

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Speaker 2: and you know what, the team that should have won

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Speaker 2: the whole thing won the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: It was a great final game. But Indiana the national champions.

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Speaker 1: Who would have thought it?

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't think I would have thought in the

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Speaker 3: beginning of the season that they were going to go

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Speaker 3: sixteen to er at be national champions. But as I

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Speaker 3: said for two years on this program and my opinion,

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Speaker 3: Kurt Signetti is the best coach in America, best football

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Speaker 3: coach in America, college pro and he proved it again

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Speaker 3: beating Miami and Nastal title game. I think the bigger

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Speaker 3: question is who would have thought that the national title

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Speaker 3: game would have been Miami versus Indiana, Because my Indiana

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Speaker 3: wasn't the college football playoffs a year ago. They brought

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Speaker 3: most of their big players back. They brought in Fernando Mendoza.

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Speaker 3: So do we think they were going to win a

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Speaker 3: national championship? No, but you knew they were gonna be there.

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Speaker 3: I think there are probably more questions about Miami getting

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Speaker 3: to the level that they got to. But it was

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Speaker 3: a great game, and you know, once again, Fernando Mendoza

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Speaker 3: are gonna pick this guy's game apart, and they're gonna

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Speaker 3: manufacture problems in this game that aren't there between now

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Speaker 3: and draft day. Guy's a winner. Guy just finds ways

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he does it again, an unbelievable run again

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Speaker 2: to the end zone. And then, you know, I felt

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Speaker 2: bad for Carson back Tony bause he had played so

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Speaker 2: well on the college football playoffs.

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Speaker 1: He was leading a good final drive.

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Speaker 2: You know, he's moving the ball slowly but surely he's

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Speaker 2: being patient, and then he just tried to grab a

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Speaker 3: But that's Carson Beck, right, It is.

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Speaker 1: Not it is That's what he's been a lot of

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Speaker 3: You're right, that's what the Carson Beck we saw last

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Speaker 3: at times this year at Miami, And that was the

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Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, there's a lot of bad film

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Speaker 3: He's just got some great up He's got a great

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Speaker 3: entering the twenty twenty five draft where he probably would

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Speaker 3: he's a Day two selection. Could he slide into the

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Speaker 3: late part of round three? Sure, when some of those

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Speaker 3: Well, obviously I already mentioned that with Fernando Mendoza. People

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Speaker 3: are gonna say, you know, well, Dante Moore has more upside.

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Speaker 3: Who Dontay Moore is no longer in the draft. That

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Speaker 3: was that conversation. Listen, this guy's not been asked to

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Speaker 3: I mean all the all these Indiana players, they play

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Speaker 2: No question about all right, guys, we have a busy

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Speaker 3: You know the funniest thing, and I don't know if

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Speaker 2: joined by Eric Galco, who runs the East West Shrine Bowl.

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Speaker 2: Can only imagine right now you are just making sure

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Speaker 4: Now we'll have more than four. We'll have between six

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Speaker 2: And how about the gut go ahead, Tony, I'm sorry

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Speaker 2: At those two spots, Eric, who are some of the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I like to pick favorites, but I'll go off

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Speaker 3: I want to stick with the defensive line. Ask two

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they're I mean, you do your job. Well.

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Speaker 4: And he's going to get comparisons to the Kobe Turners

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you, Tony, NFL teams are more split on

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Speaker 3: You didn't mention that really doesn't get enough credit as

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Sap and probably Harrold Perkins the two

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Speaker 4: I think Sap to your point, you know, production was

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I thought about getting cute. The announcements called him

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Speaker 4: He'll play some linebacker. He'll play sam linebacker and do

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Speaker 2: Look, and he just makes plays, right, He's a great

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Speaker 1: What is it about that stands out? We look at it.

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Speaker 4: with gold had Perkins having a great chance that correct

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Speaker 4: the top fifty.

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Speaker 3: You know, you talked about some of the major conferences

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Speaker 3: in college football.

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Speaker 1: There.

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Speaker 3: I want to talk about the FCS guys. There are

436
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Speaker 3: presently three FCS guys on the roster. Is it getting

437
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Speaker 3: more and more difficult to find talent from the FCS

438
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Speaker 3: guys who are basically are It's almost like a minor

439
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Speaker 3: league for Division one football with nil.

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Speaker 4: You know, I think it's it's a longer ferment. Nil.

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Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of benefit just strictly the

442
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Speaker 4: NFL perspective, kind of being a big fish in a

443
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Speaker 4: small pond, right. I think a lot of guys want

444
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Speaker 4: to kind of transfer up and go to big schools

445
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Speaker 4: and compete for a spot. And there are way more

446
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Speaker 4: guys that go to bigger schools that end up being

447
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Speaker 4: backups and not playing compared to the SCS players that

448
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Speaker 4: are good. So as a scout, and again the money

449
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Speaker 4: is a different thing altogether. As a scout, I still

450
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Speaker 4: value players are the best players on their team. Right.

451
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Speaker 4: I'll use Eli Heidenrich. I know he's at Navy, who's

452
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Speaker 4: not a small school, but he's the best player in

453
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Speaker 4: that offense game on the line for Navy agains Army.

454
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Speaker 4: They're going to him. Right. Being the best guy on

455
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Speaker 4: your team allows you to build some confidence as a player.

456
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Speaker 4: JOONAFL teams you can handle that pressure. Kayleb Proctor southeas

457
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Speaker 4: Louisiana one of those guys SCS players. He played LSU.

458
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Speaker 4: The LSU knew he was the best player in the

459
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Speaker 4: field and he still had three sacks in that game.

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Speaker 4: That shows me, this guy can not only hang against

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Speaker 4: top competition, but can really be a guy that with

462
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Speaker 4: the focuses on him, he can still produce as well too.

463
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Speaker 4: So I do hope players at the FCS level still

464
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Speaker 4: stay there money aside. I think Montana and Montana Says

465
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Speaker 4: done a great job of keeping their guys there as

466
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Speaker 4: well too, because NFL teams want to see guys be

467
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Speaker 4: at their best and be really impressive. I hope the

468
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Speaker 4: FCS level stays there. But to your point, you know

469
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Speaker 4: a lot of guys are saying, hey, I can stay

470
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Speaker 4: at the FCS for well to no money, or even

471
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Speaker 4: go be a backup for a half million dollars, and

472
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Speaker 4: I cannot good players for doing that as well too.

473
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Speaker 4: But as a scout, I love seeing guys crush the

474
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Speaker 4: FCS level and I with them, versus I was looking

475
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Speaker 4: for back out to the power of five schools.

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Speaker 3: I wanted to talk about the FCS guy's individual Yer

477
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Speaker 3: already mentioned Kayla Proctor, who has been an indomitable force

478
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Speaker 3: at Southeastern Louisiana what the past two three seasons, and

479
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Speaker 3: I watched that Louisiana game, that LSU game, and they

480
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Speaker 3: were focusing on him and what impressed me. Besides the

481
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Speaker 3: play was the guy showed up every single snap. He

482
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Speaker 3: was there every single snap. Despite the fact that LSU

483
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Speaker 3: was winning the game, they didn't run away with it.

484
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Speaker 3: Jalen walt Haall, the receiver from Incredit Word, came into

485
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Speaker 3: the season highly well.

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Speaker 4: Hoigh.

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Speaker 3: He thought of by scouts super productive, even though he

488
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Speaker 3: missed most of the month of September with injury. I mean,

489
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Speaker 3: this is a guy that no one speaks about. He's

490
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Speaker 3: got NFL skill.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, and he's gonna run well too. I mean, the

492
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Speaker 4: guy that produced at the college level again, he was

493
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Speaker 4: the best player on the team. Every corner, every defense

494
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Speaker 4: gave him their best look every single game, and especially

495
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Speaker 4: the second half year when he was healthy. Really really

496
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Speaker 4: impressed as a receiver as well too, when he showed

497
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Speaker 4: the ability to be an outside receiver to get off press.

498
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Speaker 4: He got a lot of experience against press this year.

499
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Speaker 4: Part of the reason that team's had to play against

500
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Speaker 4: him is kind of press. Him and jan Met a

501
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Speaker 4: lot of scrimmage. But he's also going to be an

502
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Speaker 4: immediate special teams guy if he has to do in

503
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Speaker 4: the NFL. Early on, he reminds me a little bit

504
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Speaker 4: different kind of highweight speed. But also Derek Young, who

505
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Speaker 4: played Lord No Norah Ryan a couple of years ago,

506
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Speaker 4: came to the Shrine Bowl. He's been to the Seahawks

507
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Speaker 4: ross the last three years now because he's an a

508
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Speaker 4: plus special teams player who also been trus has a

509
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Speaker 4: receiver as well too. I think Waltall has an immediate

510
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Speaker 4: future in the NFL at special teams, but he's got

511
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Speaker 4: an NFL starting level ability if that did at the

512
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Speaker 4: NFL level.

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Speaker 3: And Jared Washington, the cornerback from South Carola State. He

514
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Speaker 3: was a guy who really no one was talking about

515
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Speaker 3: before the season, and he really jumped off the film

516
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Speaker 3: this year.

517
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Speaker 4: Yeah, long corner, perimeter corner who's really impressive in space.

518
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Speaker 4: He won I know he's the HPCU off with their

519
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Speaker 4: Defensive Player of the Year. I think he won FCS

520
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Speaker 4: Defensive Player of the Year. Is up for that award

521
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Speaker 4: as well to really productive season. Talked to his coach,

522
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Speaker 4: Tennis Ferry, who have known now for a couple of

523
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Speaker 4: years with the Shrine Bowl and just raised about him

524
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Speaker 4: as a person, as a leader, as a grower, and

525
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Speaker 4: he's a different player than Kobe Durant. A couple of

526
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Speaker 4: years ago out of that on the the HPCU level

527
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Speaker 4: and that school as well. But I think no doubt

528
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Speaker 4: had a chance at the NFL draft pick and we'll

529
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Speaker 4: be one of the better corners I think at the

530
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Speaker 4: Tribe ball. What it's all said and.

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Speaker 2: Done, Eric, let's stick with the with the cornerbacks and

532
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Speaker 2: the defensive backs in general. How would you characterize this group?

533
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Speaker 2: Is it a lot of smaller guys are going to

534
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Speaker 2: move into the slot. Are you looking more of a

535
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Speaker 2: big physical group? And even safeties now you know the

536
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Speaker 2: guys that are kind of their safeties but they're really

537
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Speaker 2: slot corners. How would you characterize the overall skill set

538
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Speaker 2: of the group.

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Speaker 1: You have a corner in safety at your game.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's perflective of an entire draft class

541
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Speaker 4: where there's a lot of corners I think who can

542
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Speaker 4: be you know, a lot of safety nickel hybrid kind

543
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Speaker 4: of guys who maybe nickel first. That's just the strength

544
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Speaker 4: of this year's draft class. And we've got a bunch

545
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Speaker 4: of those guys, guys like a Mari Harvey who played

546
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Speaker 4: outside corner in college, maybe better as a safety linebacker.

547
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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, safety nickel corner. He'll play that as well.

548
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Speaker 4: And then we've got Dalton Johnson of Arizona. I'm on

549
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Speaker 4: most of SMU who are both kind of safeties but

550
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Speaker 4: can play the nickel as well too. So I think

551
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Speaker 4: we'll see a lot of kind of just calling them

552
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Speaker 4: dbs for the most part as opposed to corners and

553
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Speaker 4: safety because they'll be doing a lot of stuff in

554
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Speaker 4: between as well too. But we've got some hard hitters

555
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Speaker 4: and impressive players Robert Spears, Jennings vocal Wall Cole was

556
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Speaker 4: Nwski of Texas Tech. He's a linebacker, safety hiber as

557
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 4: well too. So we've still got those bigger bodied safeties

558
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Speaker 4: who worally impressed. It are those outside corners, guys like

559
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Speaker 4: Cia Wright, John Bottles. They got NFL teams like a lot.

560
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Speaker 4: It's a perimeter corner two.

561
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Speaker 3: You know, the fullback position is a lost start. It's

562
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Speaker 3: barely used anymore. You don't see rankings for fullbacks because

563
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Speaker 3: they're hardly There are hardly any fullbacks. In my opinion,

564
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Speaker 3: you have one of the best pure fallbacks to come

565
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Speaker 3: out of college football the past ten to fifteen years

566
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Speaker 3: in Max Pretison. This guy is an absolute joy to watch.

567
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Speaker 3: I mean, as a lead blocker. He gets out there,

568
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Speaker 3: open up the hull t with Justice Haynes protecting his

569
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Speaker 3: quarterback pass catcher out of the backfield.

570
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Speaker 4: How is he going to be used?

571
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Speaker 3: Is he going to be used at the shrine ball

572
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Speaker 3: as a traditional fullback and they're going to try and

573
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Speaker 3: use him as an h back line them up at

574
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Speaker 3: a tight end. I'm glad to see him there because,

575
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Speaker 3: like I said, the fullback position is a lost art,

576
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Speaker 3: and this guy embodies what a true fullback is.

577
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Speaker 4: I think it's coming back Tony. I think between the

578
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Speaker 4: Rams as much thirteen personnel as they use this year,

579
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Speaker 4: and showing the value of kind of other blocking play

580
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Speaker 4: in that role as well as the Shanahan Tree has

581
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Speaker 4: always used fullbacks at a pretty high level as well too.

582
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Speaker 4: I think you'll see a lot of teams maybe say,

583
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Speaker 4: you know what, like let's not throw the position away

584
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Speaker 4: and let's get more pullbacks in here, because they can

585
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 4: be so unique and so virstaile especially they can catch

586
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Speaker 4: out of the backfield. I think Brettison is all of

587
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Speaker 4: those things. I think he'll he'll be some unattached tight

588
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:17,919
Speaker 4: end stuff right and just be there because he has

589
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Speaker 4: to show some value there as well too, but he's

590
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Speaker 4: going to be a traditional fullback h back for teams

591
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Speaker 4: in the entire draft process out of the backfield, catching passes,

592
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Speaker 4: obviously working as a lead blocker. I think for Brettison

593
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Speaker 4: and Riley Nowakowski, the pullback in indiana'll be in the

594
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Speaker 4: Shrine Bowl this year as well too. Like I think

595
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Speaker 4: those are two of the best fullback projects we've seen

596
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Speaker 4: a long time, to your point, because both those guys

597
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Speaker 4: can work exterrational fullbacks. They've gotten some experience playing in

598
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Speaker 4: the kind of that twelve personnel, a lot of attached

599
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 4: off a lot of scrimmage tight end as well too.

600
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Speaker 4: I think both those guys will show NFL teams they

601
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 4: can be strong blockers but also really good pass catchers

602
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 4: out of the backfield, because that's needed in today's NFL

603
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 4: as well.

604
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Speaker 2: Hey, just look what the Niners do with Kyle Yustchik

605
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Speaker 2: once George Kittle went out of that game in the

606
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Speaker 2: wildcard round.

607
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Speaker 1: Very very valuable.

608
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Speaker 4: And they point too, we've got tight ends like Bower

609
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 4: Sharp and Jared Kanick as well who can also play

610
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Speaker 4: that kind of h back pullback role too. I think

611
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Speaker 4: NFL teams are are looking at fullback almost like a

612
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 4: tight end position versus a running back position, and use

613
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Speaker 4: those guys collectively as well too. So a lot of

614
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Speaker 4: great guys this year's trible that can fill that role.

615
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Speaker 2: And I think it's a pretty big tight a pretty

616
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Speaker 2: deep tight end group in this year's draft class two Eric.

617
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Speaker 1: And I think it's a good mixing guys.

618
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Speaker 2: You're gonna have some of those traditional college f tight

619
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Speaker 2: ends that have moved guys in, smaller guys that can

620
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Speaker 2: run around and do stuff, but you actually have some

621
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Speaker 2: bigger guys that can block too.

622
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Speaker 4: Yeah. I think that's really need in today's NFL. A

623
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Speaker 4: bunch of teams are going to look at the ramp

624
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Speaker 4: and say thirteen personnel. Every NFL team wants to have

625
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Speaker 4: an eleven personnel tight end who can block in pass catch,

626
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Speaker 4: they can run up tempo and not be something all

627
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Speaker 4: the time, and that's really needed. We got I think

628
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Speaker 4: three guys that really fit that mold, maybe four being

629
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Speaker 4: an NFL scheme. One is Jack Uries, who, again based

630
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Speaker 4: off NFL feedback, NFL teams feel he's going to be

631
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Speaker 4: the best at an any All Star Game. This year,

632
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Speaker 4: he has a chance to be one of the first

633
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Speaker 4: he ends draft. This year's draft class, Dawn Bentley gave

634
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Speaker 4: Utah a guy people and maybe were laid out a

635
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 4: little bit because of how Utah played earlier in the season,

636
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 4: but really really impleasive pass catcher. He'll be a guy

637
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 4: that maybe he can do some eleven personnel stuff. And

638
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 4: then Eli Rahard and the Lake McRee of Notre Dame

639
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 4: and USC, respectively, are guys that are bigger body, can

640
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 4: play in line, have done it at the college level,

641
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Speaker 4: have been used eleven personnel guys in college. He can

642
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 4: really fill that role in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I'm a huge Reredan fan. I mean

644
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Speaker 3: I came into the season I was a little bit

645
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 3: hesitant towards him, but then I watched them this year.

646
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Speaker 3: I mean, he's not a four or five five guys

647
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Speaker 3: on a four to six guy, but he gets down

648
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Speaker 3: the field, he catches the pass, He's a reliable pass catcher,

649
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Speaker 3: natural hand catcher, and he blocks. This guy should be

650
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Speaker 3: getting a lot. I know, it's a very strong tight

651
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Speaker 3: end class, you know, starting in Day two through those

652
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Speaker 3: middle rounds. You know, Rearing, in my opinion, it's just

653
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Speaker 3: a guy that should get a lot more mentioned than

654
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Speaker 3: he actually does.

655
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Speaker 4: I'm not sure if no name Recruzi, this Swayer develops

656
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 4: that way too, but he feels like I don't name

657
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 4: tight end, right, he feels that pro type of like

658
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 4: he can do everything for you can play those spots

659
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Speaker 4: I get. A year ago, we had a guy in

660
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Speaker 4: Mitchell Elevans who I thought Mitchell Evans and a different

661
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Speaker 4: kind of college rectory as a first second round pick,

662
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Speaker 4: and he's starting for the Panthers now in the playoffs. Right,

663
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Speaker 4: So I think Rare than one of those guys like, hey,

664
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Speaker 4: you can kind of gloss over. Not the best athlete,

665
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 4: not the most production, whatever else. But Ravers haven to

666
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Speaker 4: come in the NFL tomorrow, being eleventh personnel tight end

667
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 4: play different roles for you would probably end up being

668
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Speaker 4: a guy who you're playing fifty snaps a game in

669
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Speaker 4: the NFL because he's ready for that.

670
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Speaker 1: We would do this almost. Oh go ahead, Tony, I'm sorry.

671
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Speaker 3: Another Notre Dame guy that I really like that I

672
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Speaker 3: think should get more credited is Emil Wagner. The tackle.

673
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Speaker 3: I mean, it doesn't look like there's going to be

674
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Speaker 3: a strong tackle class Rare. It is an athletic right

675
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Speaker 3: tackle who you know plays nasty football. He's a good

676
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Speaker 3: run blocker. Very excited to see him, especially in those

677
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Speaker 3: one on ones when he's got to shut down some

678
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Speaker 3: of those outstanding edge rushers that you talked about early

679
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Speaker 3: in the show.

680
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Speaker 4: Yeah, right tackle in college. I think he'll play left

681
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Speaker 4: and right tackle in the Shrine Bowl as well too.

682
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Speaker 4: But a really good athlete. I think he'll test really

683
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Speaker 4: well and he'll show that atholtic ability at the tripal

684
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Speaker 4: all the way long. He's gonna have to, to your point,

685
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 4: against our defensive line this year too, But I think

686
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Speaker 4: he's you know, you mentioned that the offensive tip of

687
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Speaker 4: class THYK. There some really special guys at the top

688
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 4: of the draft, but after that, NFL teams are looking

689
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Speaker 4: for guys in those middle rounds like it maybe start games.

690
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 4: Waggner's done that. His ceiling and his best football is

691
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Speaker 4: still very much ahead of him. I think if at

692
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Speaker 4: least the Shrine Bowl week, you know, showing that he

693
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Speaker 4: can handle those ed rush on the premier, especially those

694
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Speaker 4: you know, wide nine guys or at least seven guys

695
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Speaker 4: who can run at the edge and then testwall at

696
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Speaker 4: the combine, I think no doubt he'll be one of

697
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Speaker 4: the earlier drafts that right tackles. This year's draft class A.

698
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Speaker 1: Couple follow ups Eric to that one.

699
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Speaker 2: You have six guys seven I think actually on your

700
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Speaker 2: roster just listed as ol, not as tackle, not as guard,

701
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Speaker 2: not a center. Do you find that this group is

702
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Speaker 2: pretty heavy with guys that teams want to see a

703
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 2: multiple spots to see exactly where they're going to fit

704
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Speaker 2: in in the National Football League?

705
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Speaker 4: You know, I think this draft class is pretty you know,

706
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Speaker 4: most years we've seen guys that have played some center

707
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Speaker 4: that will show up films they can play center, or

708
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Speaker 4: some guys that can play tackle and go to guard.

709
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Speaker 4: I think this draft class is deep at guard, and

710
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Speaker 4: they're lacking a lot of guys who can be traditional

711
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Speaker 4: tackles in space as well as guys who have any

712
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Speaker 4: sort of snapping experience. So we're gonna give guys a

713
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Speaker 4: chance to do a bit of both, right, I think,

714
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Speaker 4: especially on day through the draft, like versatility is the

715
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 4: goal for offensive line. But we've got guys like Riley

716
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,719
Speaker 4: Malman who played a lot of games at left tackle.

717
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 4: He can play tackle and guard. We've got guys like

718
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Speaker 4: Chris Adams at Memphis played a lot of left tackle,

719
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Speaker 4: can play guard as well too. Diego Pound left tackle

720
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 4: may some guard as well too. And then we've got

721
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Speaker 4: guys like DJ Campbell of Texas, who's a fantastic player,

722
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Speaker 4: and he's going to be a guy that played guard

723
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Speaker 4: his whole college career. Let's see if he can snap.

724
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Speaker 4: So I think we'll see a lot of guys show

725
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Speaker 4: their versatility. I want these guys to do that, and

726
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 4: some guys are more comfortable than others, but I think

727
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Speaker 4: NFL teams are always looking for those. Centers are tackles

728
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Speaker 4: first and foremost, and I hope a lot of guys

729
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Speaker 4: on our roster can show teams they can play either

730
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Speaker 4: tackle or center as well as be a great guard prospect.

731
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Speaker 1: Wait, when you when you.

732
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Speaker 3: Move a guy around like that, is it based on

733
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Speaker 3: a conversation that you have with the player? Is it

734
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Speaker 3: based on what the coaches want? What goes into it?

735
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Speaker 4: No, it's a companies with the player, you know. I

736
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 4: view my job as I work for the players first,

737
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Speaker 4: NFL team second right, and I want to make sure

738
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Speaker 4: these players are not like being cuddled, but also I

739
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Speaker 4: putting the vision be successful. Right. No one wants someone

740
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Speaker 4: stock to go down at an All Star Game. Because

741
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 4: that they're at a position right. So I'll work with

742
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Speaker 4: the player and his agent say hey, is he working

743
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 4: at left tackle? Is he just playing right tackle? Right

744
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 4: guardless week that's okay, right, show what you can do.

745
00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 4: Don't kind of showing up to only what you can't do.

746
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 4: It's not really fair to you either. But I want

747
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 4: to know the guys that are working at center and

748
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 4: have some experience in that as well too, because obviously

749
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 4: snapping is important in practice, but it's it's working with

750
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Speaker 4: the players directly and say hey, where do you feel

751
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 4: comforable doing? What are you ready to show NFL teams

752
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 4: right now? These guys have played in two thousand snaps

753
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 4: in college. Forth to play that they haven't played before

754
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 4: in an NFL teams nflgms against NFL of a player

755
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 4: is not really a fair situation. So I think we'll

756
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Speaker 4: see a lot of guys bry out center for a

757
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Speaker 4: few snaps and me try out left tackle, right tackle,

758
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 4: other spot as well too. But these guys have do

759
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Speaker 4: what they feel cretable all week long.

760
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Speaker 1: We've got more than twenty minutes now.

761
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Speaker 2: I don't think we've mentioned a player or even the

762
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Speaker 2: positions of wide receiver and running back. The guys that

763
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Speaker 2: catch the football, right, the guys that carry the football,

764
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Speaker 2: the guys that are make plays.

765
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Speaker 4: Is a Trenches podcast. I love it.

766
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Speaker 2: I know it's fantastic. Hey, you know what that's say,

767
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 2: win the NFL.

768
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Speaker 1: Right, But.

769
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Speaker 2: Let's start running back before we head over to wide receiver.

770
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Speaker 2: What do you think about this group? I know it's

771
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Speaker 2: not a heavy running back group at the top, but

772
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Speaker 2: I really do think there's some depth in guys that

773
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Speaker 2: gives NFL teams a little bit of a different flavor

774
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Speaker 2: depending on what you're looking for.

775
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that the base off NFL feedback the

776
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 4: top of this group is going to be Demon Clayborne

777
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Speaker 4: of wake Forest and Robert Henry of UTSA. Both those

778
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Speaker 4: guys have some top hundred grades around the league. I

779
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 4: think Clayborne probably the most of any running back maybe

780
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Speaker 4: his entire senior class.

781
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Speaker 1: And he's fast man. He is fast, he can move.

782
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Speaker 4: I think he do a lot more out of the

783
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,959
Speaker 4: backfill as a pass catcher than really wake Forest need

784
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:20,719
Speaker 4: entity with their offense. He can do a lot more

785
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 4: and he'll show that at the Shrine Bowl this year

786
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 4: as well too. But he's got a chance to be

787
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Speaker 4: not only a top HUNCHERD pick, but one of If not,

788
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 4: I'd be surprised if he was in the top senior

789
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 4: running back draft and it's based off NFL feedback. I

790
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 4: think he'll show that. And then Robert Henry had a

791
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 4: great start to the year, great season overall, really productive,

792
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 4: but get a big part of that UTSA offense and

793
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Speaker 4: make them be successful. I think he's gonna show n

794
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 4: FFL team he could be a three down player as

795
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,479
Speaker 4: well if the Shriane Bols. So those two guys jump out,

796
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 4: and then you've got the CJ. Donaldson, who's going to

797
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 4: be one of, if not the best goal line running

798
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 4: back in this year's draft. Loss he could do more

799
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 4: than that, but he's going to be that guy for

800
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 4: most NFL teams. Then you've got Eli hyden Rick what

801
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 4: I mentioned earlier. He's kind of the running back slash receiver.

802
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 4: H like a bunch of his spots for NFL teams

803
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 4: and showed he can win at multiple spots against good

804
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 4: competition in the A. So those some guys that jump

805
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 4: out that are either in the top of the running

806
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 4: back class for NFL teams or the guys that are

807
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 4: really unique and really specific.

808
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 3: And you needn't even mention Roman Hanby, who you know

809
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 3: throughout his college career, whether it be at Maryland, whether

810
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 3: it be now they're in the championship job for Indiana,

811
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Speaker 3: just gets the job done. I mean they hand the guy.

812
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 3: Boston was concerned he's gonna lose his job at Maryland.

813
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 3: Just I mean, he is the definition of resilience. Glad

814
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 3: to see it. I hope looking forward to see him

815
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Speaker 3: at the Shrine bol and playing on Sunday because no

816
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 3: one really believes in this guy and all he does

817
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 3: is produce.

818
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he's reminds me a lot of Todge

819
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 4: Brooks out of Texas Tech last year guys at the

820
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 4: Shine Bowl as well too. Where you know, is he

821
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 4: gonna run a four three four four? Probably not whatever,

822
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 4: But he's a reliable running back who's done at the

823
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 4: college level in multiple different schemes. He's handled the responsibilities.

824
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 4: Henby at Maryland caught forty fifty balls a year ride.

825
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 4: He was really good out of backfield running back. He

826
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Speaker 4: can be a pass protector. He's toughest nails in an

827
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 4: interior and then he's not getting chased down all the time.

828
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 4: On film either like he can move enough to keep

829
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 4: productive with the NFL level too. So I think Henby

830
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 4: is a steady eddy day three running that ends up

831
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Speaker 4: starting week ten for some NFL team.

832
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Speaker 2: For a guy like Henby, who who's playing, who played

833
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 2: in the National Championship game.

834
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Speaker 1: Are you in constant contact.

835
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Speaker 2: With him, Eric as to whether or not he's going

836
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 2: to be able to do that quick turnaround, because look,

837
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 2: we're talking like what four days between the two title

838
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 2: game and win the first practices?

839
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and may I take a lot of pride in

840
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 4: us being as player first and player focused as possible to.

841
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 4: I'm not going to press these guys. They don't feel

842
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 4: like it, but it's a credit that Indiana culture of

843
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 4: like no, like we want to. They've played Oregon and

844
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 4: they play all their starters all four quarter. We're going

845
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 4: to finish how we started here. I think Roman Henby

846
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 4: and that any guys for the same way, like, hey,

847
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 4: we're going to be at the Shrine Bowls, so again,

848
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 4: we'll kind of see where they're at on January twenty.

849
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 4: They win that game and they're celebrating and they're begged

850
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 4: up from the year. Maybe they're not going to play

851
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 4: in this Shrine Bowl. But as of right now, all

852
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 4: these Indiana guys want to perform for one of the

853
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 4: NFL teams at the Shrine Bowl and kind of keep

854
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 4: their draft process going. They're a special group of special culture.

855
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 4: They've built their Indiana's testament of those guys.

856
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 2: And then how about this wide receiver group. One guy

857
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 2: that jumped out to me was Chrishlton Junior. He was

858
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 2: on Bruce Fellman's Freaks list over the summer. Characterize this

859
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 2: group free? He is, Like I say, every draft class

860
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 2: has its own type of character. I watched them the

861
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 2: big kid out of Cincinnati, so I feel like there's

862
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 2: there's a pretty good group of you know, you want

863
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 2: to slock guy, Okay, you want to speed guy, fine,

864
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 2: you want a big guy.

865
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: That's cool.

866
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 2: Give me kind of the rundown of the character of

867
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 2: this wide receiver group.

868
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is probably the most unique receiver group I've

869
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 4: ever had in terms of there's probably like four types

870
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 4: of archetypes of guys here. Right. There's the athletic freaks.

871
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 4: Jeff Caldwell of Cincinnat's a guy to know he's going

872
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 4: to be this year. Is I think guys like Tesla

873
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 4: of like he's gonna test do well that people are

874
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 4: gonna think that the numbers must be wrong, like he

875
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 4: is going to test like Kase Claypool. Pick your freak

876
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 4: guy on mock draft board up to us. He's gonna

877
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 4: be that kind of guy. And then you have your

878
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 4: you know, Emmanuel Henderson's who can be at Kansas who

879
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 4: can be returners, he can be outside receivers, he could

880
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 4: be gunners. And you've got your Kendrick Lass with the quick,

881
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 4: twitchy slot receivers. We're going to be real valued FFL

882
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 4: team because the're gonna run the four three as well.

883
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 4: You've got your great receivers who can be outside guys

884
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 4: and slot guys like Skyler Bell, who should have won

885
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 4: the blend a cooff this year. I think he has

886
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 4: a chance to be not only a top under pick,

887
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 4: a top two round pick. You've got your gadget guy

888
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 4: or maybe your special guys like Kayden Wetchen, who's the

889
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 4: best return prospect the last couple of years. And then

890
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 4: you mentioned Chris Hilton, which I'm bumming you mentioned him

891
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 4: because I get asked every year, who's this year is

892
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 4: brock Purty, Who's this year is this Who's this year

893
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 4: is Jacory Krossky Merritt. Now I say Chris Hilton because

894
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 4: Crosskey Merritt was crossing Merritt because he didn't play his

895
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 4: senior season wasn't well known because of that. But to

896
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 4: our scouting team of saying, hey, we know what a

897
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 4: good player looks like, that's ja Cory Krossky Merrit, Chris

898
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 4: Hilton's the same way. Chris Hilton the year with think

899
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 4: ten catches at LSU this year, but we followed him

900
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 4: his entire college career and we know the talent talent

901
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 4: that he possesses. This is the guy that he'll be

902
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 4: at the NFL Combine this year. If you told me

903
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 4: the overn was four to three to zero, I'd probably

904
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 4: take the under, like that's how fast this guy is

905
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 4: and how explosive he is. And after the season that

906
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 4: he didn't play as much, maybe he hoped and then

907
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 4: the LSU offense has had too many receivers. He hit

908
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 4: the Hui Bowl as scout to go to the Hohol Bowl,

909
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 4: they'll say who's best receiver? Oh T, LSU could everybody else? Right,

910
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 4: He's going to dominate this pre draft process and or

911
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 4: mind NFL teams why he should be not only a

912
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 4: draft pick, but a guy that, in a different world

913
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 4: is a slam dunk top two, top three round pick,

914
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 4: and he'll show up the Shrine Bowl this year.

915
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 3: Well, you kind of stole my thunder. I was going

916
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 3: to ask you. I was gonna put you on the

917
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 3: spot and say who is this year's Quantes Stiggers? But

918
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 3: I guess we already know it's created. Your prediction is

919
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 3: Chris Hilton of LSU. But that's cool. I like that

920
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:16,720
Speaker 3: forward type of thinking.

921
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's I mean, Hilton's a guy. Every year there's

922
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 4: two or three guys that I just say, you know what,

923
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 4: I don't care about NFL feedback. We're don't trust our

924
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 4: scouts in our processing. And Chris is one of those guys.

925
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 4: So and he's been great to work with. He's excited.

926
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,399
Speaker 4: He's someone who doesn't have stour grapes of having ten

927
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,720
Speaker 4: catches this year at LSU. He's ready for the NFL process,

928
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 4: and I think he'll impress the NFL teams on the field,

929
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 4: in the interviews and then at the combine again like

930
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 4: Jeff Cowoll, but really just for the forty time, Chris

931
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 4: Hillan's gonna have a chance to I won't say break

932
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 4: any records, but he'll be in the discussion for the

933
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 4: past support of the combine this year.

934
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 2: All right, last one for me, Eric, just tell the

935
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 2: folks that are that that are down there in you know, Dallas,

936
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 2: in the in that area if they want to go

937
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 2: check out the game and they want to you know

938
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 2: all the events that you have gone on during the

939
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 2: week that that fan should be aware of.

940
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, excited this year Shrian Bowling Dallas. We'll kick off

941
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 4: practice on January twenty third. Credential media be available to

942
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 4: come to our throwing session by Wilson on January twenty seconds.

943
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 4: It was the most well appended Pro day of sorts

944
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 4: for NFL teams last year. We'll have all of our

945
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:19,760
Speaker 4: quarterbacks Kate Club, McCain's King, Mark Ronowski, Joe Fagnano, Baron

946
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 4: Mordan among others to be announced here soon throwing in

947
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 4: front of the NFL teams on that Thursday, the twenty

948
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 4: second practice on the twenty third, twenty fourth, twenty fifth,

949
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 4: and then the game itself on January twenty seventh at

950
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 4: the Star. We'll have a great kind of pre game kickoff,

951
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 4: pre game tail get outside the Star facility and then

952
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 4: our game as well. It's on NFL Network on Tuesday

953
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 4: at Football.

954
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: Tony, You're good, I'm fine.

955
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 3: We'll see him down and down at the Star. We'll

956
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 3: see him down Frisco. Look forward to it's over fun

957
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 3: down there.

958
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, we cannot wait to see in a few days.

959
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 2: You do a great job for media access. Can't wait

960
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 2: to interview a lot of your players at the hotel.

961
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 2: Appreciate the time, my friend. The best of luck this year.

962
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 4: Thanks guys, appreciate it. We'll talk soon.

963
00:37:58,440 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: Really good stuff from Eric Gago there.

964
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 2: We thank you for joining us right here on Draft Season,

965
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,400
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966
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 2: uniting the brightest minds that turn today's risk into tomorrow's opportunities.

967
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 2: Learned more at moodies dot com and Tony. You know,

968
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 2: Eric has a lot of good players down there. I

969
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,879
Speaker 2: can't wait to get down there. And really the way

970
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,720
Speaker 2: they have the Star set up to watch the practice

971
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 2: at the Star, you can sit in the stands, you

972
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,919
Speaker 2: can go on the field. You got a lot of flexibility.

973
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 2: And I can't wait to get down there to get

974
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 2: to work.

975
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 3: And the fact that it's going to be twenty five

976
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 3: degrees and there's gonna be supposed to be eight inches

977
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 3: of snow on Saturday makes the fact that I'm looking

978
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 3: forward to that the practices are in the Star because

979
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 3: if we were in the same place where we were

980
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 3: a year ago, where it was a half hour drive,

981
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 3: that would have been a disaster. But yeah, Errick's done

982
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,399
Speaker 3: a good job. He's obviously increased talent at that game.

983
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 3: You look at the number of players from the Shrine

984
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 3: Bowl that have been selected in the draft since Eric

985
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 3: has gotten there, compared to the few number that we're

986
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 3: selected a draft prior to Eric taking over the game.

987
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 3: And there's some good matchups which we talked about which

988
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 3: we're really looking forward to see, including David Blade. David Blaye,

989
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 3: the Miami defensive tackle who really wasn't on the scouting

990
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 3: radar before the season. I talked about him at the

991
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 3: beginning of the show, but he did a good job

992
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 3: in the National Championship. He'll be at the He'll be

993
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 3: at the Shrine bowl'd be. We're gonna be a lot

994
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 3: of fun.

995
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 4: To watch him.

996
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 1: Harold Perkins another guy we talked about. He'll be there.

997
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 2: Chris Hilton from LSU. A lot of good players can't

998
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 2: wait to get down there and get the work. And

999
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 2: then Tony, we had some breaking news. We're recording this

1000
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 2: on Wednesday morning. It's gonna air, I believe on Thursday

1001
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:32,720
Speaker 2: the East the Panini Senior Bowl with a really big addition,

1002
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 2: And it came out just today. And I've heard that

1003
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 2: there might be another invitation accepted coming from the University

1004
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 2: of My of Indiana, and we have not heard that yet,

1005
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 2: but that might be coming.

1006
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: But Ruby Bain Junior, who you know, could be a

1007
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: top five pick, certainly a top ten pick.

1008
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 2: The big edg rusher will join his teammate a Key

1009
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:57,439
Speaker 2: Messidor in Mobile for the Senior Bowl, just a week

1010
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 2: after the National Championship game. So it'll be another addition

1011
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 2: to what's a very deep edge class and I can't

1012
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 2: wait to see him down there.

1013
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 3: Two things when I look at the Senior Bowl, I

1014
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 3: think the last time I was at a Senior Bowl

1015
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 3: that had such early non quarterback picks on the field

1016
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,959
Speaker 3: was the year that Brokershaw Ferguson was there. He turned

1017
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 3: out to be the fourth pick of the draft, and

1018
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 3: he was phenomenal that year at the Senior Bowl, which

1019
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 3: is why he was the fourth year at the draft.

1020
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 3: I'm wondering if there's any coincidence that Ruben Bain is there,

1021
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 3: or if Rubyn Bain made his decision based on the

1022
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,280
Speaker 3: fact that David Bailey of Texas Tech is there, because

1023
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 3: really those first three edge rushers, and I do not

1024
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 3: consider Avro Rees as an edge rusher. I consider him

1025
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 3: a three down linebacker who can rush the passer. But

1026
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 3: you look at Keildrick Falk, you look at Ruben Bain,

1027
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 3: you look at David Bailey. I think Bailey is probably

1028
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,280
Speaker 3: gonna go the earliest, especially with Robert Salo now getting

1029
00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 3: the Tennessee job. So it's interesting. I'm wondering if that factor.

1030
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,399
Speaker 3: We may never know it, we may never find the truth,

1031
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 3: but I'm wondering if you know, Baines agent said, you

1032
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 3: know what David Bailey is playing is slated to playing

1033
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 3: a Senior Bowl. He's the guy you're gonna be battling,

1034
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 3: you know, in those first from picks five to to eight.

1035
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 3: You know, we better get there and we better show

1036
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 3: our stuff that you're a better player than David Bailey.

1037
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I know he's not gonna go that early Tony,

1038
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 1: but TJ.

1039
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 2: Parker from Clemson is there too, And while he's not

1040
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 2: maybe a top five pick, you know, would it be

1041
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 2: like completely out of this world if he snuck into

1042
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 2: the top ten or you know, was in the top

1043
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 2: twelve or something like that. So you know it's gonna

1044
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,479
Speaker 2: be just an unbelievable edge group there.

1045
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: It's it's the deepest class.

1046
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 2: And those one on ones between the old line and

1047
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 2: D line, it's gonna be fantastic to watch.

1048
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 3: And with the tackles there you got Isaiah World there.

1049
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 3: I mean, who's got a lot on the line going

1050
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 3: up whatever guy, whatever team he's on. And I know

1051
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 3: the rosters have been announced. I apologize I have not

1052
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 3: looked looked at the breakdown, but you know, guys like

1053
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 3: Isaiah World and some of the Jennings Dunker of Iowa

1054
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 3: yep is going to be there. And Jennings Dunker favorite

1055
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 3: of mine in the past three years, great run blocker,

1056
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 3: powerful run blocker, doesn't show great skill off the edge,

1057
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 3: but if he pulls a Dewan Jones as the as

1058
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 3: we saw in the Ohio State the tackle did that

1059
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 3: one day he was a practice about three or four

1060
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 3: years ago. If he shows any ability to really shut

1061
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 3: down these speed edge rushers, his dress stock is going

1062
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 3: to go through the roof.

1063
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got Dunker Jennings Dunkers on the national team, Tony,

1064
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 2: so he will be going up against let's say, we

1065
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 2: got Zane Durant, Easton, Devin Eastern, Lee Hunter, Jeffrey Bye. Yeah,

1066
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 2: I'm just going through the guys here. Well, I bet

1067
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 2: you Dunker might play some guard. That's why I wanted

1068
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 2: to mention some of those defensive tackles they were showing

1069
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 2: to mention those, and then defensive ends on the national team.

1070
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 2: We got David Bailey, Danny Dennis Sutton who could be

1071
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 2: a Day two pick, Romelo Height who could be a

1072
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 2: first round pick. So yeah, and TJ. Parker's on that

1073
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 2: team as well, so that'll be fun. I do not

1074
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 2: see Isaiah World assigned to an offensive line roster at

1075
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 2: the current time. We'll see when that happens, but I

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00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 2: don't see him on the list in front of me

1077
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Speaker 2: at the car moment. Trey Zoon from Texas A and

1078
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 2: m Is also won the national team roster, so is

1079
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 2: the manual pregnot from Oregon. So you have so you'll

1080
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:18,760
Speaker 2: have a nice little group of guys going up against

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00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 2: each other on the national team in one on ones

1082
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 2: and and.

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Speaker 3: The big thing for Zoon is he was a I'm

1084
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 3: looking through the uh well roster real quick and Isaiah

1085
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 3: World hasn't been assigned to a team, but he's still

1086
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 3: on the roster here. And again, these things can change,

1087
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 3: you know, because some of these guys are dealing with injuries,

1088
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 3: and you know, we'll see what happens. Uh. The interesting

1089
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 3: thing about drey Zoon is, you know you mentioned Jennings dunker.

1090
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 3: Trey Zoon is projected as a guard or center in

1091
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 3: the NFL, so you know, going up against some of

1092
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 3: those bigger defensive tackles that you mentioned is going to

1093
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 3: be key for him to show that he can handle

1094
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 3: a new position without getting with you know, without getting

1095
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 3: exploortered at the point a couple of them. Craig God

1096
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 3: is gonna be fun to watch. I mean, he is

1097
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 3: a mean, nasty blocker. He reminds me of Steve I

1098
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 3: remember I was there with Steve Hutchinson. Was a guy

1099
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 3: A story about that I can't tell on the air,

1100
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 3: but Steve Hutchinson was there. He is that type of

1101
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 3: type of offensive lineman so he's gonna be a lot

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Speaker 3: of fun to watch.

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Speaker 2: I've got a couple of invitations here from Miami. Markel

1104
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 2: Bell on the offensive lineman from Miami, will be at

1105
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Speaker 2: the Senior Bolton and then late last week Colton Hood,

1106
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,919
Speaker 2: the cornerback out of Tennessee, will be there as well.

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00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: So a couple other nice additions.

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Speaker 3: Who Colton Hood basically picked up where Jamal McCoy was

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00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 3: supposed to be because McCoy didn't play this year because

1110
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Speaker 3: due to the knee injury that he suffered, and Hood,

1111
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 3: who's a well traveled collegiate, I believe Tennessee's his third

1112
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 3: spot started at Auburn, Colorado. Tennessee. He's got first round potential.

1113
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 3: I mean, he's the guy that could slide in the

1114
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Speaker 3: late late part of the first round. And you know,

1115
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 3: as we've seen, you know people I always say, you can't,

1116
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 3: you shouldn't have your evaluate base your evaluation off of

1117
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 3: one game. But then I probably signed a little bit contradictory,

1118
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 3: if not hypocritical talking about how important the Senior Bowl is.

1119
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:12,879
Speaker 4: Why is that?

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Speaker 3: Well, you have to remember the senior ball players will

1121
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 3: have more eyes on them at the Senior Bawl than

1122
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,720
Speaker 3: at any point in the scouting process because what happens

1123
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,919
Speaker 3: is at the combine, when the defensive lineman working out,

1124
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 3: you just have the defensive line coaches there and some

1125
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 3: gms and some scouts. When the cornerbacks, the offensive linemen

1126
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 3: are the last ones to work out. At the combine,

1127
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,760
Speaker 3: you have offensive line coaches from the teams, some head coaches,

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Speaker 3: some general managers. But what happens is at the Senior Bowl,

1129
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Speaker 3: all the offensive line coaches, all the defensive line coaches,

1130
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 3: all the cornerback coaches, all the wide receiver coaches are

1131
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 3: there watching these players practice twice a day, three days

1132
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 3: a week. So you have more eyes on you at

1133
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 3: any point in time during the scouting crossis number two.

1134
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 3: You're playing football in full pads, so it's not like

1135
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 3: it's not like Combine, which is like the underwear Olympics.

1136
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 3: I mean, these guys are playing football, they are hitting,

1137
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 3: there is contact, you have those one on one drills.

1138
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 3: So that's why the Shrine Bowl and the Senior Bowl

1139
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 3: is so important. More eyes on you doing football activity.

1140
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 3: And it's not just football activity, it's NFL activity. And

1141
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 3: what do I mean by that? You know, on a

1142
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 3: college level, if an offensive linement, isn't using an offensive tackle,

1143
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 3: is not bending his knees, not using his hands well,

1144
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 3: but he's stopping the opponent. That's all the coach cares about.

1145
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 3: That changes when you get to the Senior Bowl and

1146
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 3: the Shrine Bowl. Now you have to get out of

1147
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 3: your comfort zone. Your feet have to be pointing in

1148
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 3: the right direction. You have to make sure you bend

1149
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 3: your knees. You've got to get your hands up. I mean,

1150
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,760
Speaker 3: if you're ever in the pit, you'll hear the coaches

1151
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 3: scream at the guys, get your hands up, get your

1152
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 3: hands up, get your hands well. For four years, they

1153
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 3: didn't get their hands up blocking on cous level because

1154
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 3: they didn't have to do. They were so much bigger

1155
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 3: and stronger than everybody. They could be late with their

1156
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 3: hands and just stand in front of them. That change,

1157
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 3: and that's what the coaches are looking for during the

1158
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 3: three days of practice of the Shrine Boat and the

1159
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 3: Senior Bowl and.

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Speaker 2: An Tony as you mentioned, Malik Muhammad as well, the

1161
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 2: corner but out of Texas also he'll be at the

1162
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Speaker 2: Senior Ball.

1163
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Speaker 1: So another good name. We even't talked much about. Malik Muhammad.

1164
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: Give me your little scouting report on him.

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00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 3: I think he's uh with the kid. Last year, John

1166
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 3: dayd that the Denver Bronco was selecting the first round. Yeah,

1167
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 3: Johnny Bart, Yeah, he's a lot like him. I mean,

1168
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 3: he's a he's a natural nickelback who's very feisty. I

1169
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 3: have him as a Day two pick. I think he

1170
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 3: can slide into the second round. I love his game.

1171
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 3: Have to see how he tests because he is an underclassman,

1172
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 3: but he's got that. He's got terrific ball skills. He's feisty,

1173
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 3: plays nickel. I think he's I believe he's about six

1174
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 3: fo twelve, which means he could probably be an outside corner.

1175
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Speaker 3: BE very excited to see him.

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Speaker 2: Tony can't wait to get down there. Well, well, we're

1177
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 2: gonna record a draft season, folks. Here's kind of the

1178
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 2: plan at the end of the shrine practices. So we'll

1179
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 2: do a little shrine review and then look ahead the

1180
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 2: Senior Bowl. We'll record that probably on Sunday. That'll post

1181
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Speaker 2: up on Monday on all our platforms, and then Tony

1182
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 2: will be with us down there.

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Speaker 1: I'm not try how much gonna do during the week.

1184
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 1: Maybe the end of the week.

1185
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Speaker 2: Tony we'll get together and we'll record something with with

1186
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 2: my guy Matt Sidetak, and then we'll have a full

1187
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 2: episode of Draft season that we'll record on the Monday

1188
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 2: after the game. We'll recap the practice the week and

1189
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 2: do that all together in one episode.

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Speaker 1: Tony, always a pleasure, my friend.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I got a bunch of new barbecue places. Just

1192
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 3: make sure you break your snow shoes because it's supposed

1193
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 3: to snow. A watt and Frisco, Texas on Saturday.

1194
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean luckily, you know, we're in a

1195
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 2: nice hotel, so we should be able to get some

1196
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 2: food in the hotel without having the lee, which.

1197
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Speaker 1: Will be nice.

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Speaker 4: Nah.

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Speaker 3: Now we got to get there, get to those barbecue places.

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Speaker 3: What was that the Texas twinkie at the Hutchins last year?

1201
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 3: I'm gonna that thing that they had. What was it

1202
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 3: the Jilapino pepper that was outstanding?

1203
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: A little Hutchins, a little hard eight. We will we

1204
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: will figure out a way to like make things done

1205
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: down there. For sure.

1206
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 2: I'll come back with like three, you know, stints in

1207
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 2: my arteries once we're done eating eating Ian Dallas, Tony

1208
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 2: good stuff by friend. Anything coming up on Essentially Sports

1209
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 2: people should.

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00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: Keep a eye on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah upgraded. We have a new draft board, updated Draft

1212
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 3: War with five hundred and fifty players. There should be

1213
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 3: a two round mock draft up by the time this

1214
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 3: podcast is broadcast and the mock draft is took some

1215
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 3: liberties with some of the Indiana guys expecting that they

1216
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 3: were going to enter the draft. But that's more updated

1217
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 3: with Dante Moors and the likes out of it and

1218
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 3: a lot of team needs and mock drafts for each

1219
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 3: individual team in the league.

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Speaker 1: Tony, good stuff, my friend, Always a pleasure.

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Speaker 2: I'll see you in Texas, John, see in Texas. That's

1222
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Speaker 2: Tony Pauline from Essentially Sports. You thank you for joining

1223
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 2: us and me. Another episode of Draft Season presented by

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Speaker 2: Moody's a Proud sponsored the New York Giants from the

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Speaker 2: Hackensack Maarone Hill podcast studio. Keep getting for better for

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00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 2: Tony Pouline. IM John Schmulk. That's time we talked to you.

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Speaker 2: It'll be from Big d as we wrap up Shrine

1228
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Speaker 2: Ball and preview the Senior Bowl for Tony Pouline.

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Speaker 1: I'm John Schmulk. We'll see you buddy next time.