1 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Hi, this is Zach Wheeler. 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:11,400 Speaker 2: Welcome to Phillies shown. Hi everybody, Ruben Tomorrow, Junior, Jim Salisbury, 3 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 2: Todd's a lucky It's Monday morning, March twenty four, twenty five, 4 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:21,240 Speaker 2: the last day in Clearwater. The Phillies after today's Grape 5 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 2: ru League game against the Rays, They're flying north. I'm 6 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,639 Speaker 2: flying north, Ruben. You're flying north? 7 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: Right? 8 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 2: Are you staying a couple of days? You're going north. 9 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 3: I'm staying. I'm flying with the team. 10 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 2: There you go, there you go. I saw Ruben, Jim. 11 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 2: I saw Ruben on Saturday. They had the Darren Dalton 12 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 2: Foundation had an event on Saturday at the ballpark and 13 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 2: Ruben was guest bartending. But I asked Ruben to make 14 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:45,959 Speaker 2: me a. 15 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 1: He was slinging it. 16 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 2: I asked him though, I said, can you make me 17 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 2: a fuzzy navel? He said he couldn't do it. So, 18 00:00:53,159 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 2: you know, he says he's only slinging beers. 19 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 3: Too hard. 20 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, I worked hard for literally three or four hours straight. 21 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 3: I was watching. I did not get back from behind 22 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 3: the bar. 23 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 5: It was a nice effort. 24 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 3: I was efforting. 25 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 2: It was cal Kendrick was there. You know, a lot, 26 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 2: a lot of like Phillies alumni were there. Rob Thompson 27 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 2: stopped by after the Gratefull League game over in Tampa 28 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 2: against the Yankees, so he made an appearance and it 29 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 2: was it was slammed the show. It was a great event. 30 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 2: But but Reuben, I do give your credit because I 31 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 2: was watching, I was like, man, this guy is he is? 32 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 2: You were working back there working for tips. 33 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 4: I was working for tips and some people gave some 34 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 4: great tips and really supportive of the Darren Dalton Foundation. 35 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 4: Great foundation, Brett Dado, Scott Freeze, so many other ones. 36 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 4: They're doing a really nice job there and and and 37 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 4: there's a lot of you know, Tommy Green big, you know, 38 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 4: big part of that. 39 00:01:59,040 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 5: It was pretty cool. 40 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 4: Steech Else I think was there. Hey, we saw Jason Michaels. 41 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 2: Jason Michaels was there, right. 42 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 4: Jason Michaels was slinging it. Kyle Kendrick, As you said, 43 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:09,959 Speaker 4: I'm sure. 44 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 5: I'm going to miss some people there. Robertson, Robert person Purse. 45 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:23,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, the so great work. 46 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: That organization does, great work. 47 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, they do, It's it's all they do. They do 48 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 2: a tremendous job. Uh So, guys, is the last day 49 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 2: camp and the opening day roster is pretty much crystallized. 50 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 2: At this point. We kind of know everything that's going 51 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 2: to go on. Other than that last spot on the bench, 52 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 2: it's really down between Cody Clemens and Buddy Kennedy. I 53 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 2: expect today at some point they will make an announcement 54 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:54,119 Speaker 2: on who they've chosen, but let's before we maybe talk 55 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 2: about that in which way they might go. The pitching 56 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 2: staff is pretty much crystallized now. Yesterday during the Rob 57 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 2: Thompson said, well, we're gonna now, we've already announced it, 58 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 2: so I'll tell you Ranger Suarez is opening the season 59 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:08,519 Speaker 2: on the injured list. Then after the game he goes 60 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 2: expected to open the season on the injurl list. I 61 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 2: don't think you he meant to announce it on the broadcast. 62 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 2: That is absolutely happening, but I would say it's what 63 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,839 Speaker 2: nine certain he's going to open on the injurre list. 64 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 2: So if Ranger opens on the injured list with a 65 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 2: sore lower back, Taiwan Walker is going to slide into 66 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 2: that fifth spot in the rotation short term, they think. 67 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 2: And then yesterday they claimed a right hander, Carlos Hernandez 68 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 2: from the Royals. He's going to be the last man 69 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 2: in the bullpen. Tyler Phillips has been dfade and that's 70 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 2: pretty much your pitching staff now. You know, what do 71 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 2: you what do you guys make of the moves yesterday? 72 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 2: You know, play it being safe with ranger. Matt Strom 73 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 2: obviously is trending the right direction. He's going to pitch 74 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 2: today on Monday, and assuming that goes well, he'll be 75 00:03:58,520 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 2: in the bullpen to start the sea. 76 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 5: I think it was one of those moves. 77 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 4: You know, there's a reason why the scouts are out 78 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 4: there during the course of the spring is to look 79 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 4: for players who are either out of options or guys 80 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 4: who are like the lower half of those forty man roster, 81 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 4: guys that might be bounced. 82 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:17,799 Speaker 5: Off the roster. 83 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 4: And it's clear, I mean, somebody was watching. I don't 84 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 4: know exactly who it was. I'll try to get a 85 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 4: little inside scoop, but one or two of the scouts 86 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 4: probably saw Hernanda's pitch out there in Arizona for Kansas City, 87 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 4: probably felt like there were some more upside with him 88 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 4: than a guy like Tyler phil Phillip. 89 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 5: Someone the sneeze, excuse. 90 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 3: Me, and I think it's and that's why. 91 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 4: I think it's really important to have, you know, eyes 92 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 4: and ears and history on guys. I mean, Hernandez has 93 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 4: some history in the bullpen. He's put up some numbers, he's. 94 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 5: Got a big arm. 95 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 4: Maybe Caleb Cotham, maybe somebody in their pitching staff or 96 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 4: one of their analytics. Folks saw something that they liked 97 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 4: and the guy lightning in a bottle. Guy's not going 98 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 4: to pitch a ton, they probably hope, so maybe they 99 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 4: can grab somebody and see if that guy can help 100 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 4: them out a little bit more than what they saw 101 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 4: out of You know, Phillips and some of the other 102 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 4: guys were in camp. 103 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: A little bit of a history in that regard targeting 104 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: hard throwers, big arms from other organizations that maybe have 105 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: had some issues control or command and try to scrub 106 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 1: them up a little bit. Alvarado being one of them. 107 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: I know, he came in more of a trade and 108 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: it was a little more high profile than just a 109 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: waiver claim. But you know, he's a case in point 110 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: of that big arm and they've really made something out 111 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 1: of them with their with their pitching program. So I 112 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 1: think that is kind of like Rubin said, you know, 113 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: turn them over to Kafain and his group and see 114 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: what you can get out of them, you know, sort 115 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: of the last guy in the bullpen, and you hope, 116 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: maybe know he can emerge into something more than that. 117 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: But this organization really does, as a lot of organizations do, 118 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: they gravitate toward guys who can really bring it. And 119 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: that's what I see with this, uh with this claim. 120 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, the one thing is that he just hasn't been 121 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 2: able to throw a strike, so you know, he's kind 122 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 2: of run out of he kind of ran out of 123 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 2: chances with the Royals, and yeah, I'm sure right, guys, 124 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 2: they hope that they can maybe make an adjustment, and 125 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 2: next thing you know, he's throwing pounding the strikes on 126 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 2: a little bit more and it's like, oh my gosh, 127 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 2: we can't believe they picked up Carlos Hernandez. So uh so, yeah, 128 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 2: Rangers gonna open on the on the I l expected to, 129 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 2: even though Rob said he will. 130 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: And that's no, come on, that's that's the right. 131 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 2: I mean, that's what you got to make that. I 132 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 2: would have been honestly, I would have been very surprised 133 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 2: if they would have said to hey, you know what, 134 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 2: after playing catch on Saturday and Sunday, we think Rangers 135 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 2: can make can make his first turn in the rotation, 136 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 2: or or he can be back before they ended that 137 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 2: Dodger series, which ends on April six. I would have 138 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 2: been very, very surprised. There's no reason to rush him back. 139 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 2: He's had the back issues over his career. He derailed 140 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 2: his entire second half last year. If it's sore right now, 141 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 2: just take him along slowly knock it out. They think 142 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 2: it's a short term thing. He might only miss one start, 143 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 2: maybe two starts. If they start him on the injured list, 144 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 2: they can backdate. 145 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 5: It three days. 146 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 2: He could be back as early as April eighth, that 147 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 2: first game in Atlanta, if they think he's ready by then. 148 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 2: So it might only be one start, and if that 149 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 2: means he's healthy the rest of the season, that's the 150 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 2: only choice he really should be considering at this point. 151 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a totally different situation from Strom, and it's 152 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 4: the other guy to at least the puzzle at Matt Strom. 153 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 4: I guess either pitched today in today's game, and if 154 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 4: he feels fine, then I guess he'll he'll he will 155 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 4: make the team. 156 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 5: At least that's the feeling I have. 157 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 4: But Matt Strom doesn't really have any history, just like 158 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 4: Ranger does, and he seems to be progressing this way. 159 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 4: So a little bit of a different situation for Straw 160 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 4: as opposed to where Ranger Suarez is. 161 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: Let me let me ask you guys this, how far 162 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: does this knock Ranger back? Though? Because my question would 163 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: be how how much was he actually built up? I mean, 164 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: he wasn't really letting it go early, right, and then 165 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: he had that one good start and then he's hurting. 166 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: I don't know where he is on his kind of 167 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: you know, ramp up ladder. 168 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 3: You know. 169 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 1: So okay, if he comes back, you only misses one start, 170 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 1: two starts, They're gonna still have to be quite judicious 171 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: with his workload because it just appears that he's still 172 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: building it. 173 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 2: Could you piggyback him or something like that, maybe if 174 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 2: he maybe havn't start, have him go three innings at 175 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 2: the beginning and follow him with Taiwan. I don't know. 176 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 2: Is that an option, Ruben, Is that something you would consider? 177 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 4: I think it's probably an option, just because they seemingly 178 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 4: want to limit his innings early anyway, because they saw 179 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 4: what happened last year. As far as him getting out. 180 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 3: I mean it was last year was the first time. 181 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 4: This is like the again, this is nothing new for Ranger. 182 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 4: He almost never gets out of spring training healthy and 183 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:23,079 Speaker 4: so he's only been healthy maybe once in his whole career, like. 184 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 5: Truly healthy coming out of spring training. 185 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 4: I don't have all the history, but but I you know, right, 186 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 4: and and so I think they, like you said, it 187 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 4: was great, you know s a. 188 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 5: T word you dropped on us on judicious. They're Jim 189 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 5: stand quite the quite the quite the wordsmith you are. 190 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 4: But I think, but I think that there's there is 191 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:54,199 Speaker 4: a strong possibility they could piggyback. You make a great point, Todd, 192 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 4: and I wouldn't be surprised by that happening. You typically 193 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 4: like to have a guy ramp up and be ready, 194 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,079 Speaker 4: you know, get to eighty or eighty five pitches and be. 195 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 5: Ready to roll. 196 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 4: But in his case, since they want to sort of 197 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,839 Speaker 4: limit his innings anyway early, that might be that might 198 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 4: be the ticket. 199 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: It's it's definitely a way to control the innings, control 200 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: the workload, make sure he's ready so you can get 201 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: the bulk of it later on. Provided he's producing and 202 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: providing he's pitching, well, you're not gonna put him on 203 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: the mound if he's not pitching, well, they need contribution 204 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: from this guy, and this guy needs to have a 205 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: good season and you need most of it, you know, 206 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: after April, So I could see them being careful with 207 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: him even when he's activated. 208 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 2: So for for people that don't know how the rotation 209 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 2: is set up right now, obviously, Zach Wheeler is starting 210 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 2: on Thursday, opening Day in Washington. Jesus Lozardo is going 211 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 2: to pitch game two, that's Saturday, Aaron Nola is going 212 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 2: to pitch the series finale in Washington on Sunday, and 213 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 2: then and the home opener Christopher Sanchez. Zach Wheeler is 214 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 2: going to pitch the second game of that series, and 215 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 2: then Taiwan Walker, who's now the new number five starter, 216 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 2: is going to pitch the series finale against the Rockies 217 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 2: on April third, and then after that that Dodger series, 218 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 2: it's gonna be Jesus Wizardo, Aaron Nola, Christopher Sanchez, and 219 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 2: then April eighth. Again. If they would think that he 220 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 2: Ranger Suarez could come back when his fifteen days are up, 221 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 2: theoretically he could come back and pitch April eighth, there's 222 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,439 Speaker 2: a long, long, long way to go before we get 223 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 2: to that point. 224 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: So give me your wagers. Does he pitching April eighth? 225 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 2: Todd, I say no, I say no. 226 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: I say no, Rubin No, Okay, yeah, yeah, I think. 227 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 3: Is Zach Wheeler? Is Zach Wheeler? Is that his day too? 228 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:54,199 Speaker 4: Is it Zach Wheler April third and April eighth or no, Well, 229 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 4: he's Zach pitching? 230 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 231 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 3: Uh, I'd have to. 232 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:02,439 Speaker 2: Go take a look there's I'd have to take a 233 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 2: look at that, because I think there's an off day there. 234 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 2: I haven't that's yeah, So I guess it's possible they could. 235 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,079 Speaker 2: They could keep you know, Zach likes to stay on turn, 236 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 2: so but they also have said that we understand he 237 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 2: likes to stay on turn, but we also want to 238 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 2: manage everybody's innings as much as we can. So the 239 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 2: reason why they skip the fifth starter that that first 240 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 2: time is because Zach still got the extra day because 241 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 2: of the day off. So they still have some. 242 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 4: Luxury with that because because of uh, the fact that 243 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 4: they have Ross who hasn't been stretched out stretched out right, 244 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 4: but he can get three and they can get through four, 245 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 4: and it's probably out of the guy. 246 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 5: And. 247 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, Carls this. They feel like they have several multi 248 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 2: inning guys in that bullpen that they can you know, 249 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 2: muscle through if they if they need to, So one 250 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 2: of them being Carlos Snandez, maybe maybe he can give 251 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 2: him two quality innings. The last bench job guys is 252 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 2: now down to Cody Clemens or Buddy Kennedy. Well, we 253 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 2: could know literally before this show even hits the air. 254 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 2: I guess possibly they could announce it. Do we have 255 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 2: any feelings on who's going to get that job. I 256 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:11,959 Speaker 2: think it's going to be Cody Clemens. But on the 257 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 2: other hand, I'm sitting there going if Cody Clemens makes 258 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 2: a team as the bench guy, when is he ever 259 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 2: going to play? 260 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 3: You know how? 261 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 2: Because he's a left handed bat in a lineup with 262 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 2: filled with left handers, So I don't know what the 263 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,959 Speaker 2: pinch hitting opportunities he's going to get our you know 264 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 2: how is that going to work? 265 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 5: Exactly? 266 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 2: So maybe there's a spot for Buddy Kennedy. But Cody's 267 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 2: had a better spring. I would say. 268 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: Cody's and you know, he said three hundred, he's had 269 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: a great you know, the strikeouts were a little high, 270 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:41,959 Speaker 1: but he's had a really nice camp, came in there 271 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 1: and to me earned it. So I know it's a 272 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: predicament having too many left handed bets, but I'll always 273 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 1: you know, and I know you have to plan for 274 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: those platoon kind of situations, but and pinch hitting opportunities, 275 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: but sometimes you just want to have a good bat 276 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: take the better. So that's kind of the way I 277 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: view it. 278 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 4: I think you go with Cody Clemens, and then it 279 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 4: becomes even more complicated, in a good complication. When Western 280 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 4: Wilson's ready and he's getting closer. He needs at bats, 281 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 4: but he's progressing, Western Wilson becomes a guy. Now Weston 282 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 4: does have options, much to his dismay, I'm sure, I mean, 283 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 4: but it's a good thing for the Phillies if they 284 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 4: feel like, again, another one of those situations where he's 285 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 4: probably their best option. But if he's not needed at 286 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 4: the major league level, they can still spark him in 287 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 4: Lehigh Valley and he can be there playing every day 288 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 4: and ready to go if something were to happen at 289 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 4: the major league level because he can play a variety 290 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 4: of positions. 291 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, so the roster is almost set. We'll find out 292 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 2: by the time the Phillies board that plane. We will 293 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 2: know guys. It is Monday. It's time for Manco and 294 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 2: Manco Best Week. Mm hmm Manco Manco Best Week. The 295 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 2: best of the best is where we pick our best 296 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 2: Phillies player, performance, moment, play, whatever we want to do. 297 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 2: I can't remember who let off last week? Jim, why 298 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 2: don't you lead off this week? 299 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 5: Are you prepared? 300 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: Oh man, the lead off? 301 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 2: Like the Phillies, we don't know who's going to lead 302 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 2: off from day to day. 303 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 3: How many pitches are you going to take? 304 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 2: Jim? 305 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 3: How many pitches are you going to take? 306 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 4: How many are you gonna be able to like, you know, 307 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 4: get it, get it ready for the next couple of guys. 308 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 3: Or what it is? 309 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 2: The last day at camp. So I hope he's first 310 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 2: pitch swinging Ruben. 311 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: I am, I am, I am swinging at the my 312 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: my man, Frank Pully. 313 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 5: Swing the bats on the bat. 314 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: That's so funny. Frank On getaway. 315 00:15:58,200 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 3: I'll tell the story. I was leading. 316 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think we were breaking camp and it 317 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 4: was nineteen ninety eight or ninety ninety seven, I can't 318 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 4: remember where it was. 319 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 3: And he did a lot of our games. The Jack 320 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 3: Russell Stadium back then. And I stepped to the plate 321 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 3: and he looked at me and he. 322 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 4: Said, son, swing the bat, And I said, no problem. 323 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 3: First pitch four to three, roll over, perfect, one out, 324 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 3: one pitch, one out. 325 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: Let's pull it along. 326 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 3: I play. I think we played a game in like 327 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 3: an hour and twenty minutes from your lips to. 328 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: Those are the days when umpires had personality and there 329 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: were characters and you knew their names. And now, honestly, 330 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: almost literally and figuratively, the officiating is robotic in the sport. 331 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: At that point, great point. Frank Pulley was a trip. 332 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: Jerry Crawford, all those guys good umpires too. So my best, 333 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: the best color a little bit outside the lines here, Todd, 334 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: I know when you love when I do that. 335 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 5: Mm hmmm. 336 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 2: Hope you don't take my idea. 337 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:11,439 Speaker 1: Oh boy, If I take your idea, then you know 338 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: you batted me lead off and I'm the first one pitch. 339 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 1: I'm driving it all right. 340 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 3: So I'm going to my. 341 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: Best, and the best is justin Crawford. He is my best, 342 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 1: the best. 343 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:23,199 Speaker 3: Wow. 344 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: Came into camp, got to invite to big league camp. 345 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 1: Made a really nice showing hit over three hundred and 346 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: you know, this guy has only played forty games at 347 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 1: Double A. But based on his performance and what they've 348 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: seen in the past is body of work, he's going 349 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 1: to go to Triple A at age twenty one. I 350 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: think it's been the most to me, the biggest bit 351 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 1: of news in the last handful of days is that 352 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: Justin Crawford is going to Triple A at age twenty one, 353 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: and he's going to play center field. And I I 354 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: you don't have to have a telescope to see the 355 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: potential grand plan here off into the distance in the future, 356 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:11,719 Speaker 1: and the future might not be that far away, and 357 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 1: it's all based on production and playing well for everybody involved. 358 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:20,120 Speaker 1: But if this kid plays well in center field at 359 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: Triple A at age twenty one, well below the league 360 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 1: average age, I mean, that's how much of a push. 361 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: This is a fast track. This is he's gonna put 362 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,719 Speaker 1: pressure on whoever plays center field. He's gonna put pressure, 363 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: good competitive pressure on Brandon Marsh and maybe you get 364 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: more out of Marsh. Maybe Justin Crawford shows that he's 365 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: ready in a year I can see and I'm sure 366 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: they're talking about I'm positive they're talking about it. You 367 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 1: can see a grand plan emerging here of maybe Justin 368 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 1: Crawford in center field as soon as one year from now, 369 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 1: and you can also extend that to Aiden Miller. The 370 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: shortstop is going to open it up double A. You 371 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: could see him at shortstop a year from now, and 372 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 1: the grand plan would maybe include Trey Turner going to 373 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,159 Speaker 1: left field and Justin Crawford in the center field. So 374 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 1: you can see, you know, the gears in work, you know, 375 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 1: coming into play here and working a little bit depending 376 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: on how everybody plays. Crawford, marsh Miller, Turner. But there's 377 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 1: things going on and it all, you know. So my 378 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: best of the best is Justin Crawford had a heck 379 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: of a spring. I mean, if he came in here 380 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: and didn't look that good, you probably you know, they 381 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,120 Speaker 1: sent him back to double A. But twenty one years old, 382 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: fast tracking him and we fascinated to watch what he can, 383 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:47,640 Speaker 1: what he does this year, and the good positive pressure 384 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: he puts on people in the big leagues, and you 385 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: know how he plays a triple A to determine his 386 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 1: readiness for down the road. 387 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 3: And let me dubtail onto that a little bit. 388 00:19:57,760 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 5: Dave Dembraski's not afraid to bring young. 389 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 4: Players the big leagues. I will tell you that he's 390 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 4: old school, but he also believes that the guys he 391 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 4: feels the guy's ready. 392 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,959 Speaker 5: He'll bring him. I remember making that move with Andrew Bennettendi. 393 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 4: I was part of that discussion when they were thinking 394 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 4: about trading at the time, maybe for Carlos Beltrain I 395 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 4: think it was and putting him in left field. They 396 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 4: had an opportunity to do that, and they just said, 397 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 4: you know. 398 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 3: What, this kid Ben at Tendy, he'll be every bit 399 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 3: as good. 400 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 5: And he ended up going to. 401 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 4: The big leagues and really helping out the team at 402 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 4: the bottom of the lineup. 403 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 3: Low pressure, great team added. 404 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 5: To the ball club. 405 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 4: And the reality of it is at Crawford, if he 406 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 4: comes to the big leagues and he made him be 407 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 4: before the end of the season, that he comes and 408 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,719 Speaker 4: becomes a center fielder, and it does put that kind 409 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 4: of pressure. I think it's a positive pressure on some 410 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 4: guys that are there, Rojas and marsh hey Man. Competition 411 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 4: is the best thing in the world and unless you're 412 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 4: an established major league player, and I think marsh can't 413 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 4: be that guy. 414 00:20:58,359 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 5: I think a lot of people feel that way. But 415 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 5: you do have to. 416 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 4: It's a performance based game and you have to come through. 417 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 5: So I think it's great stuff. 418 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 4: I think you make two great points on two really 419 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 4: really good players who who are awfully close and again 420 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 4: young and David and Bosket will not be afraid. 421 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 5: Todd, what do you got? 422 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 2: Well, this is a again this is out coloring outside 423 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 2: the lines here a little bit. But I went with 424 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 2: Raphael Marshawan and Garrett Stubbs. Marshawan finally making an opening 425 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,120 Speaker 2: day making his opening day roster. You know, we kind 426 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 2: of knew what was going to go on this season, 427 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 2: but you felt good for him and a guy has 428 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 2: worked ridiculously hard over the years, had some bad luck 429 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 2: with injuries, but he makes the team. You know, obviously 430 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 2: he was he was thrilled to do it. And but 431 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 2: I also mentioned Garrett Stubbs because you know, we had 432 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 2: him on the show on Friday Thursday after he got optioned, 433 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 2: and just his attitude after being sent down, you know 434 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 2: how he's you know, he could have taken the full 435 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 2: seventy two hours to report to minor league camp, you know, 436 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 2: just gone home and decompressed for a few days and 437 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 2: then kind of got there. But we talked to him 438 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 2: on Thursday. I talked to him on Thursday. I said, 439 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 2: when are you gonna go over there? He's like, I'll 440 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 2: be there tomorrow. And sure enough, he was there the 441 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,239 Speaker 2: next day doing a live VP against Andrew Paynter, and 442 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,479 Speaker 2: in typical Garrett Stubs fashion, this big kind of crowd 443 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 2: of front office people and players come over to the 444 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,199 Speaker 2: minor league side of the field that he was hitting on, 445 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 2: and he's kind of holding them back and he goes, Wow, 446 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 2: a lot of people coming to watch us hit, you know, 447 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 2: kind of like as a goof because he knows that 448 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 2: they weren't coming to watch Garrett Stubbs hit. They were 449 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 2: coming to watch Andrew Paynter pitch. But he he was 450 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 2: still being the same type of guy, the Stayton Garrett Stubbs, 451 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 2: and he's he wants to go down there, and he 452 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:44,880 Speaker 2: wants to help the young pitchers. He wants to help 453 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 2: Mick Abel. You know, he wants to work with these 454 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 2: guys and and try to make a contribute, contribution at 455 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 2: the minor league level. So when those guys get called 456 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 2: up to the big leagues, even if he's still in 457 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 2: Lehigh Valley, you know, maybe they can perform a little 458 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 2: bit better to help the team win Indivision, to help 459 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 2: the team win the World Series. So Garrett Stubbs and 460 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 2: Raphaele Marshawn my best week manco manka. 461 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 3: I will say, let me tell you us. 462 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 4: I had a private conversation with Rob Thompson about it, 463 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 4: and he said, rud but I probably sent out, he said, 464 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 4: He's sort of calculated. Over the years, he probably sent 465 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 4: out the major league level maybe, and been in pretty 466 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 4: much every one of those meetings as either a bench 467 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 4: coach or or a manager, well over eight hundred to 468 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 4: one thousand players. He said, without question, it was the 469 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,439 Speaker 4: hardest one he's ever had. 470 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 2: To do or be involved. 471 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 5: Wow, that's saying something. 472 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 4: And the way the kid handled it, I say, kid, 473 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 4: he's a man, he's a man's man, and he's a 474 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 4: professional and the way he handle was just spectacular and 475 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 4: proud of him, glad to know him. He's a very articulate, smart, intelligent. 476 00:23:54,640 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 4: I'm being redundant, but wonderful, wonderful person and the Phillies 477 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 4: are lucky to have him. 478 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: Is he your man and manco? Best of the best? 479 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:05,439 Speaker 3: He is not? 480 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 1: Oh boy, hold on, let me get a drum roll here. 481 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 3: Again. 482 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 4: I'm gonna color a little bit outside the lines because 483 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 4: I see this as a kind of a holistic look. 484 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 3: This is tough. 485 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 4: I got Max Kepler, and Max Kepler came into camp. 486 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 3: There's a big deal. 487 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 4: It was sort of a big deal, like, how are 488 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 4: they going to make this outfield better? Because it was 489 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,479 Speaker 4: one of the least productive outfields in the game as 490 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 4: far as offense was concerned. And there's some question marks 491 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 4: about Max Kepper been in the league a long time, 492 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,880 Speaker 4: sort of dropping off a little bit, had a tough 493 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 4: year with health and core and all types of stuff 494 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 4: last year. But he comes into camp man and he 495 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 4: made an adjustment. He worked hard in. 496 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 3: The off season and his it bats. First of all, 497 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 3: he plays left field, fall asleep. 498 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,199 Speaker 4: I watched him and eat on him as far as 499 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 4: his outfield is concerned, No transition issue at all for him. 500 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 5: Really good athlete. 501 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,880 Speaker 6: But the dude had the most quality at bats per 502 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 6: cap than anybody on the on the team. He is 503 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,479 Speaker 6: at bats, his you know, his ability to put the 504 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 6: ball in play hard, consistently, all the things you sort 505 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 6: of want to see from a new player in a 506 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 6: new organization. 507 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 5: He admittedly was a little nervous about, you know, moving. 508 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 4: Over after being what ten or twelve years or whatever 509 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 4: it was over in Minnesota and going into a new 510 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 4: clubhouse and nothing but positives from the guy. He's been 511 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 4: outstanding and hopefully it carries over. You never know, you know, 512 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 4: you can get deeped in spring training, as you know, 513 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,640 Speaker 4: I even had good springs and then I sucked during 514 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 4: the year. But this guy, this guy really has performed 515 00:25:58,080 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 4: well and. 516 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 5: He's my manco manco. 517 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 2: Best of the week, you know, Ruben, the camp of 518 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 2: the Camp. Yeah, you know, it's funny because we do 519 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 2: talk a lot about like what does spring training numbers 520 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 2: mean for a guy like Trey Turner who's maybe working 521 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 2: on something you know, not so much, you know, Bryce Harper, 522 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 2: you don't worry about college Worber, you don't really worry 523 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 2: about it. For Max Kepler, you know, talking to Kevin 524 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 2: Long and Rob Thompson, they said, yeah, usually, you know, 525 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 2: we don't put much stock in the spring training numbers. 526 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 2: But for a guy like Max Kepler coming into a 527 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 2: new environment making the mechanical adjustments he made to his 528 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 2: swing member, he was kind of straight up last season 529 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 2: with the Twins, He's flat in his bat a little bit. 530 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 2: He's moved a little bit closer to the plate. They said, 531 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 2: for a guy like that, you kind of want him 532 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 2: to enjoy some success this spring, so you can kind 533 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,400 Speaker 2: of believe that the swing adjustments that he's made are 534 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 2: actually working. So in the case of Max Kepler, like 535 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 2: you said, to see him come out and actually perform, 536 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 2: you know, there is some there is some significance of that. 537 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,679 Speaker 2: I mean, we'll see if it carries into the season, 538 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 2: but you know it was you know fully good to 539 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 2: see this spring. 540 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, that you make an adjustment with Kevin Long and 541 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: you have success with it. I mean, now you've built 542 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 1: a trusting bond between Long and the hitter. So and 543 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 1: that could benefit the hitter and the Phillies throughout the season. 544 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,360 Speaker 1: So really important. He made an adjustment, had a good spring. 545 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 5: In that vein. 546 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 4: I want to give an honorable mention. I think I'm 547 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 4: thinking more globally to Alvarado. Alvarado was outstanding, uh and 548 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 4: and the confidence that he has built uh he as 549 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 4: far as the guys in the bullpen are concerned, big 550 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 4: question mark which Alvarado, where you going to get comes 551 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,239 Speaker 4: into camp great shape, firing, throwing strikes pretty consistently, and 552 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 4: hopefully you can carry it over for the Phills as well, 553 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,719 Speaker 4: because he'll be an important piece, especially early with Strom 554 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 4: being monitored through this thing. 555 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:53,360 Speaker 5: Early in the. 556 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: Season, we might we might need two pizzas to man 557 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: co manco pizzas to spread all this what's wrong? 558 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 5: What's better than one pizza? 559 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: Yeah? 560 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 2: Hey, well, real funny, real funny. You know, Rubin, you 561 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 2: talked a lot about Alvarado, like feeling confident. I need 562 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 2: to feel confident. I mean, he has really been upbeat 563 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 2: this spring, and everybody knows he's been throwing the ball 564 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 2: really well. So yesterday on the backfield, the pitchers are 565 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 2: throwing and at the end of it, Alvarado is in 566 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 2: a squat and he's I can't remember who was throwing 567 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,880 Speaker 2: to him, but he's he was catching. So he's kind 568 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 2: of like, you know, bringing the glove up and he's 569 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 2: framing it. And Rob Thompson comes by and he goes, 570 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:37,400 Speaker 2: he goes, leave him alone, like, do not get him 571 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 2: off the get him off his legs. Don't touch this dude. 572 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 2: He's doing well. Let's not get him, you know, Let's 573 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 2: get him off from behind the plate, the fake behind 574 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 2: the plate, you know, stop his catching career. Let's get 575 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 2: him back into the clubhouse, keep him safe. So he's 576 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 2: doing well. One last thing guys before we wrap it up, 577 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 2: is man, we've talked a lot about the lineup this 578 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 2: spring and all off sea and one day it's Trade 579 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 2: Turner and the next day it's Kyle Schwarber hitting lead off. 580 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 2: And it is funny because every time the lineup gets 581 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 2: tweeted out or put out there, where he goes, oh, 582 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 2: this is it. This is the opening dine up, and 583 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 2: the next day it's like, maybe this is the opening 584 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 2: day lineup. Finally, we have Rob Thompson after the game yesterday, 585 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 2: we go, you, guys, are you any closer you can 586 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 2: or could you possibly have two lineups this season? And 587 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 2: he says, we still might be experimenting early in the season, 588 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 2: but there is a chance we could have a left 589 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 2: handed lineup and a right handed lineup. So against a 590 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 2: tough lefty on opening day, you could have Trade Turner 591 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 2: leading off. Against a writy, you could have Kyle Schwarber 592 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 2: leading off. So what do we think about that? 593 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 5: Guys? 594 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 2: Maybe like a little platoon matchup lineup going for this season. 595 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 3: I love it. 596 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 5: I got no problem with it. I love it. 597 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 4: I know that guys, you know, don't want to feel 598 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 4: comfortable and they're slot and that kind of but they 599 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 4: have a kind of guys it, especially the first four 600 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 4: or so four or five hitters. I don't think they 601 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 4: really care where they hitting the lineup. I think that 602 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 4: they're professional enough and have been bounced around a little bit. 603 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 5: Other than maybe other than perhaps Harper. 604 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 4: I think Carper probably wants hit two or three, but again, 605 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 4: he's part of this formula as well. I just think 606 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 4: that they're fine with it if they feel like this 607 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 4: is the best thing for the team. And again, I mean, 608 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 4: everybody's creature of habit, But I mean, what's the difference 609 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,239 Speaker 4: if you just move those four first four guys, if 610 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 4: you're sort of flipping them. They're all going to hit 611 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 4: in the first inning basically, or be prepared to do so, 612 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 4: or hit the most during the course of the year 613 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,959 Speaker 4: if they stayed healthy. And uh, And I got no 614 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 4: problem with the lefty righty, because there's gonna be some 615 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 4: tough left handers in this league. You know, you got 616 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 4: sale They're gonna see Mackenzie Gore right out of the shoes. 617 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 4: Who's dealt against them at times might see Turner leading 618 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 4: off against Mackenzie Gore, and then you know, against one 619 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 4: of their right handers, might see Schober leading off, and 620 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 4: that's okay, that. 621 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 3: No problem with it. 622 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 4: It's about producing runs as many runs as you possibly 623 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 4: can and putting that formula together to do so. 624 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 1: I don't think guys care where they hit until they're 625 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: not hitting. That's when that's when all of a sudden 626 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 1: they start wondering why am I scuffling? And they start 627 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: coming up with a million reasons keep down inside. I 628 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 1: think ballplayers like routine and they like to, you know, 629 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: know where they're going to be in their roles in 630 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 1: the bullpen, and they like to know where they're going 631 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: to be in the lineup. But I also think sometimes 632 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: when you're thinking of modifying the lineup, it might take 633 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: a little bit longer than twenty eight spring training games, 634 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 1: when you know, middle of the game, you're facing JV pictures, 635 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: when you have a ton of guys to look at. 636 00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: So I can see what I'm saying is I can 637 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: see Rob extending his evaluation a little bit longer here. 638 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: But at some point I would think he has to 639 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 1: arrive at something, and it's that something is going to 640 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 1: be kind of what works, and Schwarber has worked over. 641 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: I know it's an unpopular with you know, he's unorthodox, 642 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 1: and it's an unpopular lineup construction with some people, but 643 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 1: it's popular with others. And the only the thing that 644 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: matters most is they put up a lot of w 645 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 1: is when he leads off, and they have over three years, 646 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: they didn't go to the postseason for ten straight years. 647 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: All of a sudden he arrives it's lead off. They 648 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 1: go to the postseason three years in a row. So 649 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: but I do agree, you know, leading off with trade 650 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: Turner might result in a better Trade Turner, a better 651 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: version of Trade Turner, maybe a little more selective, maybe 652 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: thinking line drive more thinking like a leadoff man might 653 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 1: help him, might get a better offensive player out of 654 00:32:54,600 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: Trade Turner. So I actually think they have two good options. 655 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 1: If those two guys produce, and once we see the 656 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: top of this lineup producing, Rob will come up with 657 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: a more of an every day consistent lineup. 658 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, the quote that Rob said yesterday I used this 659 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 2: morning was hopefully regarding the lineup. He said, hopefully we'll 660 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 2: find out soon. So that means probably, you know, through 661 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 2: through the first week this season. How guys adjust to it. 662 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 2: That's a big question because I know that guys like 663 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 2: being in the same spot every day. It's just hard 664 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 2: to do that every day. But we want to figure 665 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 2: out if we can maximize our offense. So yeah, he's uh, 666 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,719 Speaker 2: he understands the guys like to know where they're gonna hit, 667 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 2: and he understands the importance of routine, but he also 668 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 2: he wants to win and he wants to try to 669 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 2: get the most out of the offense. So maybe this 670 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 2: is the way go. I agree. I mean, if I 671 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 2: like the idea in theory, if everybody's on board, and 672 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 2: you know, if everybody's okay, one day I'm leading off, 673 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 2: one day I'm hitting second, for sure, But one day 674 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 2: I'm leading off one day I'm hitting fourth. 675 00:33:59,480 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 3: You know. 676 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 2: But I do like that idea. I think it'd be 677 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 2: It could be. 678 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 1: Fun regardless regardless of what you hit, where you hit, 679 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: your approaches. Get a good pitch to hit, How can 680 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,239 Speaker 1: I get to first base runners on base? How can 681 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 1: I deliver this move this runner, get deliver this run. 682 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:21,360 Speaker 1: I mean, those are textbook consistent approaches of a lineup. 683 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 1: It's like that story you wrote last year. You know, 684 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 1: when you're talking top four or five, does it really 685 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,280 Speaker 1: matter how many runs does it change in the course 686 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 1: of a season, whether you hit two or three, one 687 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: or two You know, right? Good? Those stats you looked up, 688 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 1: do you have them? 689 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 3: Well? 690 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 2: It was it was basically like the only it was 691 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,239 Speaker 2: like maybe a couple runs over the entire course, theoretically 692 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,720 Speaker 2: over the course is the only the only time lineup 693 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 2: would really matter based off all these simulations would be 694 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 2: if you took Turner, Schwarburn, Harper, you hit them seven, eight, nine. 695 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 1: Right, what you're not going to do? 696 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what we call the fire the manager lineup. 697 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 2: And then and then you see a big, massive drop 698 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 2: because you're taking your three best hitters and your drop 699 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 2: and giving him so many fewer plate appearances. But you're right, yeah, 700 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 2: it's the difference is negligible. And this isn't just the 701 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 2: current manager saying this. I remember Joe Girardi said this. 702 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,800 Speaker 2: And when it goes back even further than that, the 703 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 2: difference is negligible really when you get right down to it, So. 704 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,319 Speaker 1: You put your best guys up high and and and 705 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 1: you and get them the most at bad you can 706 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 1: get them. And then they got to produce. 707 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 3: The bottom line is this, win the game. 708 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,359 Speaker 4: Win the game you play today, And if I can 709 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 4: put my players in a position best position to have success, 710 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 4: then I got a chance to win the game. 711 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 5: Better chance to win that game today. 712 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,919 Speaker 4: So that's why I don't have any problem with them 713 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 4: tweaking the lineup, especially lefty righty. 714 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:48,879 Speaker 5: It's been happening. It's happened for years. 715 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,920 Speaker 4: I mean, Jim Fragosi had two lineups in nineteen ninety three, 716 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 4: two different three different platoons. Yeah, hey, man, if it works, 717 00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 4: go with it. And I do think that if this 718 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:04,279 Speaker 4: lefty right shift, if it has success, guess what, he's 719 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 4: gonna stay with it. 720 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 3: If it doesn't, he's not. 721 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 1: And that's why he stayed with Shoreber, who was an 722 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 1: unorthodox leadoff man, because they had and they won games. 723 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 2: It's correct, that's right. That's right, guys, that's right. 724 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 5: That's right. 725 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 4: Uh. 726 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 2: Spring training game today, guys. So we're we're out of 727 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 2: here after this. 728 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 1: So our next podcast will be uh will be the 729 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 1: eve of opening Day? Yes, and that will that will 730 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 1: be a one year anniversary of the anniversary. 731 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 4: I was thinking about that Todd Pop Todd pod bringing 732 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 4: us all together as one, and it started. 733 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 1: It all started with Hey, you want to do a podcast? 734 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:56,040 Speaker 2: Sure, that's exactly right, that's yeah, behind the scenes, Yeah sure. 735 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:56,359 Speaker 3: You know. 736 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,759 Speaker 4: I was kind of surprised that Todd actually asked me 737 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 4: because I thought, you know, I'm not I don't have 738 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,799 Speaker 4: the writing skills that the other two fellows have. 739 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:07,360 Speaker 5: You. 740 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,400 Speaker 1: We needed you because you complete us. 741 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 3: Ah, you complete me, Jim. 742 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 2: It's a Jerry Maguire moment right here. 743 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 3: Yes, what is it is that this one? Yeah? Yeah, 744 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,439 Speaker 3: exactly right, exactly right. Yeah. 745 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 2: So we'll kind of have our unofficial one year anniversary 746 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 2: show before opening Day. So yeah, we'll be back. We'll 747 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,239 Speaker 2: be back later this week, and then we'll be back 748 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,759 Speaker 2: on I guess Friday morning. Maybe to react on the 749 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,360 Speaker 2: first game of the season. Overreact to the overreact everybody 750 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:46,480 Speaker 2: over Phillies lose? Is this the lineup end of. 751 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 3: The season the best. 752 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:55,319 Speaker 1: I remember Back in the nineties, Uh, I don't know, 753 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,399 Speaker 1: but there was a lot of hype around the Red 754 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,239 Speaker 1: Sox and they lost on opening Day and the back 755 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 1: page of the Boston Herald was wait till next year? 756 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 3: That is the too. 757 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,319 Speaker 2: Like on one hand, if I love Opening Day, but 758 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,799 Speaker 2: on the other hand, like that first, I'm also like, 759 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 2: let's just get this one out of their way, because 760 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 2: the overreaction of tool loss is. 761 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 1: Just it's picked apart like a football game. 762 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. 763 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,279 Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's like, and you got one hundred and sixty 764 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,759 Speaker 2: one more to go, guys, It'll be okay, It'll be okay. 765 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,400 Speaker 2: So yes, we'll be back later this week. Guys. That 766 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 2: was fun. 767 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,800 Speaker 1: Smell you later, boys, Milly Jim. 768 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 2: The Philly Show is brought to you by the Foul 769 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 2: Territory Network. Subscribe to The Philly Show on YouTube and 770 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,759 Speaker 2: wherever you get your podcasts. If you like us, give 771 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,759 Speaker 2: us a review, follow us on Instagram, TikTok x, Facebook, 772 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 2: and threads. Find Rubens analysis before, during, and after Phillies 773 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,919 Speaker 2: games on NBC Sports Philadelphia, on the Sports Radio ninety 774 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,799 Speaker 2: four WYP Morning Show, and MLB Network. Find Jim at 775 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,279 Speaker 2: all phl y dot com. 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