WEBVTT - Chaos in Congress

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<v Speaker 1>Also media, it's it's chaos in Congress.

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<v Speaker 2>This is this is it could happen here in the

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<v Speaker 2>podcast about things falling apart, and just this is aest

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<v Speaker 2>a falling apart episode with though it's a kind of

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<v Speaker 2>funny one. Yeah, I'm your host, Mia Wong and with

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<v Speaker 2>me is Garrison Davis. Hello.

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<v Speaker 3>Chaos every everywhere, but especially in Congress.

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<v Speaker 2>So I just realized you grew up in Canada, which

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<v Speaker 2>means I did. Can can you explain what the speaker that?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know what the Speaker of the House is

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<v Speaker 2>for America? Yeah, it's the.

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<v Speaker 3>Guy who like presides over the things and has the

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<v Speaker 3>hammer and he yells you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know that's that's that's that's That's pretty close. Okay, see

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<v Speaker 2>say come on, yeah, yeah, it's not bad. It's not bad.

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<v Speaker 2>This is okay. So we're going to go into a

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<v Speaker 2>bit more about what this person does because I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>the American Constitution was written by absolute clowns and there's

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<v Speaker 2>some wild stuff there. But however, comma, you know, somewhat

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<v Speaker 2>more seriously, this is a very this is a very

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<v Speaker 2>sort of consequential and dangerous moment in American political history,

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<v Speaker 2>and in this moment, Congress is incomplete chaos. It is

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<v Speaker 2>it is. It is the most non functional it has

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<v Speaker 2>been in my entire life. And that is that is

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<v Speaker 2>saying something like Congress has been non functional for my

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<v Speaker 2>entire life. This is the worst it has ever been.

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<v Speaker 2>And the reason this is the worst has ever been

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<v Speaker 2>is that Kevin McCarthy, who is the now former Speaker

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<v Speaker 2>of the House, was removed by a vote of no

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<v Speaker 2>confidence on October third, which when this comes out, that

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<v Speaker 2>will be exactly two weeks out. And he is removed

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<v Speaker 2>because he tried to cut a deal with the Democrats

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<v Speaker 2>to avert a government shut down until the seventeenth, and

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<v Speaker 2>he got the deal through. Crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>If we had a shutdown till seventeenth, god, imagine, imagine

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<v Speaker 3>met Jesus.

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<v Speaker 2>Fuck, here's the thing. Okay, there's no shutdown till the seventeenth.

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<v Speaker 2>There's also a chance, like a real serious chance that

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<v Speaker 2>like the shutdown starts and we still don't have a

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<v Speaker 2>Speaker of the House. Oh yeah, like it's not that high,

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<v Speaker 2>but it could happen, which is nuts. This has never

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<v Speaker 2>happened before. Yeah, and so so, so I guess we

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<v Speaker 2>should we should go into specifically what hasn't happened before.

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<v Speaker 2>And the thing that hasn't happened before is that no

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<v Speaker 2>sitting speaker of the House dream their term has ever

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<v Speaker 2>been removed by a vote of no confidence, which is

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<v Speaker 2>nuts because again, and I cannot emphasize this enough, for

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<v Speaker 2>most of the two thousands, the Speaker of the House

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<v Speaker 2>was a guy named Dennis Hastit who was literally a pedophile,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was not removed by a vote of no confidence.

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<v Speaker 2>So like, this is this is the level of of

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<v Speaker 2>you know, weirdness that we're in, Like like literally the

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred something year history of the US, this has

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<v Speaker 2>never happened.

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<v Speaker 3>And from my understanding, you don't actually have to be

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<v Speaker 3>like an elected member of the House to be the speaker,

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<v Speaker 3>which means they could carry on this tradition and they

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<v Speaker 3>could get Polanski as Speaker of the House if they

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<v Speaker 3>could find the efthoughts to carry it over.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, at this point, we're gonna get you later.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a there was a two day span, two

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<v Speaker 2>and a half days span where Trump was trying to

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<v Speaker 2>get himself elected a Speaker of the House. Yes, yes, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>and then.

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<v Speaker 3>That which would be probably the most funny, the most funny.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, results yeah, but you know, because this is

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<v Speaker 2>he also has a path to the presidency. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you just have to get two impeatriment votes somehow to

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<v Speaker 2>take it out. This is how Trump can still win.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the path, guys. Unfortunately he's well, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>here's the thing. Okay, Legitimately, if Biden and Harris died

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<v Speaker 2>in a plane crash tomorrow, I actually think Trump could

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<v Speaker 2>win the would win the Speaker of the House vote.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, absolutely, But this is this is.

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<v Speaker 2>This is how Birdie can still win. This is so

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<v Speaker 2>all right.

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<v Speaker 4>So so you know we're in this, We're in We're

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<v Speaker 4>in I don't know, We're just you know, this is

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<v Speaker 4>all like nuts but like again, we are just we

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<v Speaker 4>are in the wilderness, like we're in complete chaos lands.

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<v Speaker 2>No no one the US has never been here before.

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<v Speaker 2>And okay, the other thing we need to mention is, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so you know you were saying that there there hasn't

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, we we we need we need to

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<v Speaker 2>bring back the like pedophiles to be the Speaker of

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<v Speaker 2>the House. So Speaker of the House, not a pedophile.

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<v Speaker 2>The guy who removed him as Speaker of the House.

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<v Speaker 2>He's by Matt Gates probably probably. Yeah. So here's here's

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<v Speaker 2>what I can say legally about Matt Gates, the guy

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<v Speaker 2>who led eight Republicans to join the Democrats in the

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<v Speaker 2>in the voter no confidence. He is a man best

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<v Speaker 2>known for being investigated for the Department of Justice for

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<v Speaker 2>trafficking underraged girls. What I can legally say is that

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<v Speaker 2>he was suspected by the Justice Department of being a pedophile.

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<v Speaker 2>There are there are like, there were receipts from his

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<v Speaker 2>like on his phone from like cash app of him

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<v Speaker 2>sending money to underage girls. So you know, bad things,

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<v Speaker 2>bad things happening there. That investigation got killed because the

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<v Speaker 2>bourgeoisie protects its allies. But Comma, we do not have

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<v Speaker 2>Speaker of the House right now, so something I think,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess we should also mention this. So there's like

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<v Speaker 2>a there's no Speaker of the House. There's some guy

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<v Speaker 2>they put in who's like, is not actually an acting

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<v Speaker 2>Speaker of the House. The only thing he can do

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<v Speaker 2>effectively is like make sure that there's vote specifically on

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<v Speaker 2>there being another Speaker of the House. Yeah, And this

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<v Speaker 2>has thrown the entire American political system into chaos because

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<v Speaker 2>with no Speaker of the House, the House of Representatives,

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<v Speaker 2>cannot pass bills. They can't do it. They cannot pass

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<v Speaker 2>any bills at all. And because of the way that

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<v Speaker 2>the American system was designed, not having this one person

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<v Speaker 2>shuts down the entire effectively shut it shuts down the

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<v Speaker 2>entire legislative branch, right because you can't get anything passed

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<v Speaker 2>with the Senate without also getting ratified in the House.

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<v Speaker 2>And this has just shut down effectively, like most of

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<v Speaker 2>the American government outside of the like you know, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>so the executive branch and all the departments of stuff

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<v Speaker 2>are self functioning, but there is no legislative branch right now, effectively,

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<v Speaker 2>is what has happened, right. I think maybe subcommittee meetings

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<v Speaker 2>are still running, but they can't pass any bills. And

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<v Speaker 2>this is both a blessing and a curse. Normally, this

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<v Speaker 2>I think would just be a curse. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe right now this is probably the best possible time

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<v Speaker 2>this could have happened, because the consequence of this has

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<v Speaker 2>been the US has been unable to follow through on

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<v Speaker 2>its most sort of just rapidly genocidal impulses about Palestine

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<v Speaker 2>because again, the House literally cannot pass any bills until

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<v Speaker 2>they figure this shit out. So we haven't been able

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<v Speaker 2>to send money to it. Laziel, we haven't been able

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<v Speaker 2>to send like God forbid, like we have been able

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<v Speaker 2>to plenty troops, which I don't know if they I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if there was actually the political desire to

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<v Speaker 2>do that anyways, but you know, the fact, the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that there was no speaker in the immediate wake of

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<v Speaker 2>the stuff that's been happening in Palestine means that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they've they've been restrained from just like glassing the entire

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<v Speaker 2>Middle East, which is which is good. The downside is

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<v Speaker 2>that again, we have until November seventeenth to pass a

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<v Speaker 2>funding bill to avert the government shutdown, and not only

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<v Speaker 2>is there like no progress on a deal about that bill,

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<v Speaker 2>like the American legislature is currently incapable of passing any bill,

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<v Speaker 2>much less the spending bill. So things are going great

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<v Speaker 2>in the American political system. And okay, so we should

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<v Speaker 2>we should ask the question why is this happening? And

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<v Speaker 2>there are both sort of short and long answers to

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<v Speaker 2>this question. Both of them effectively have the same route,

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<v Speaker 2>which is that the Republican Party is a coalition. It's

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<v Speaker 2>one that usually has pretty broadly compatible politics. But it

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<v Speaker 2>is a coalition between different sectors of capital. So think,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, you know, you have your different right wing

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<v Speaker 2>like tech moogul billionaires, right like Elon Musk, like Peter

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<v Speaker 2>thel But these people align on a lot of stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>but they don't necessarily have the same interests as like

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<v Speaker 2>a weapons manufacturer or like coke industries or I mean

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<v Speaker 2>just like you know, like one of the big sort

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<v Speaker 2>of tensions, for example, is that the Republican Party has

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of backing among the financial sector. The financial

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<v Speaker 2>sector has very little interest in conflict with China because

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<v Speaker 2>they have an enormous amount of capital like tied up

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<v Speaker 2>in Chinese firms. There are a lot of other like

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<v Speaker 2>people who have a lot of like like even this,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the thing between Elon Musk and Peter teel

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<v Speaker 2>right or like Musk is kind of more pro China

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<v Speaker 2>than like the average like Republican tech billionaire because he

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<v Speaker 2>has a bunch of contracts in a giant factory in

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<v Speaker 2>China and so so okay, So this is a coalition

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<v Speaker 2>between different segments of capital who disagree. This is also

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<v Speaker 2>a coalition between different like right wing social movements who

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<v Speaker 2>are also you know, a very powerful part of the party.

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<v Speaker 2>You have the evangelical stuff. But I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the consequence of this, and the consequence of the sort

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<v Speaker 2>of shift right of American politics has been you now

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<v Speaker 2>have this party where there are like libertarians alongside neocons,

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<v Speaker 2>you have more moderate conservatives, and you have basic people

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<v Speaker 2>who are effectively neo Nazis. And the fact that the

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<v Speaker 2>coalition is like this now, the fact that it is

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<v Speaker 2>genuinely more so than it's been in a long time,

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<v Speaker 2>a very broad and diverse coalition, this has made the

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<v Speaker 2>House of Representatives effectively unmanageable. Okay, and this has been

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<v Speaker 2>a real issue in the Republican Party for a while

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<v Speaker 2>now actually because you know, and this is this is

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<v Speaker 2>why we're getting the government shutdown stuff. Like a big

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<v Speaker 2>part of Republican strategy for the last decade, basically since

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<v Speaker 2>Obama took office, has just been shutting down the government

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<v Speaker 2>and doing arch obstructionism, so you know, nothing can get done. Wait, care,

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<v Speaker 2>have you have you been? Do you remember the last

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<v Speaker 2>government shut down? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, it was only like two years ago. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it feels like maybe maybe it was longer. It feels

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<v Speaker 3>like it was pretty recent. There was no it was

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<v Speaker 3>it was in twenty eighteen. I think it was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I see, because in my brain we're still in twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, they were actually funny.

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<v Speaker 3>So what I said when I say two years ago,

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<v Speaker 3>what I mean is twenty eighteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, and it's that one was funny because

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<v Speaker 2>that was a that was a Republican president. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>which is very funny. But yeah, but you know, but

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<v Speaker 2>back when Obama was in office, like this just happened

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<v Speaker 2>all the fucking time, like every other week. There was

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<v Speaker 2>like a threat of a government every single time a bill,

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<v Speaker 2>like a funding bill was going to pass Congress, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I had a bunch of family members get furloughed well

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<v Speaker 2>at one point because the government actually did shut down

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<v Speaker 2>for a long time. But there's a real problem with this,

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<v Speaker 2>which is that this political strategy encourages, effectively the it

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<v Speaker 2>encourages creating chaos, right, and this is something that Trump

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<v Speaker 2>has been very good at sort of exploiting. But it

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<v Speaker 2>also means that there's now this like qudra of politicos

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<v Speaker 2>who've come up who are like incredibly right wing, and

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<v Speaker 2>effectively the only thing they know how to do is

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<v Speaker 2>obstructing anything from functioning. And this is what McCarthy ran into.

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<v Speaker 2>He ran into Gates and his sort of like band

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<v Speaker 2>of Mary. I don't know. I was gonna call him

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<v Speaker 2>a band of Mary weirdos, but that's way too complimentary.

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<v Speaker 2>His band of like absolute fanatics. And the real issue

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<v Speaker 2>here is that, Okay, so there's currently two vacant seats

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<v Speaker 2>in the House, So this means right now, to win

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<v Speaker 2>a vote in the full House to become Speaker of

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<v Speaker 2>the House, you need two hundred and seventeen votes. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>hold on, there's new shit happening, like right now. McCarthy

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<v Speaker 2>thinks that Jim Jordan has two hundred and seventeen votes.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I believe him. I don't know. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just explain what's happening now and then we'll put

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<v Speaker 2>that at the end as like breaking news.

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<v Speaker 3>Insert that at the end, Daniel, thank you or keep

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<v Speaker 3>it in right now is a funny bit, yes, because

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<v Speaker 3>this situation is still developing as of time of recording.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, like as yes, it's the only we should mention.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, this process is complicated enough that like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>as we are recording it, stuff is changing. Rapidly, like

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<v Speaker 2>stuff has been news is coming in. So what's been

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<v Speaker 2>making it hard is that in order to get two

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<v Speaker 2>undred and seventeen votes right, the Republican majority is only

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<v Speaker 2>they only have two hundred and twenty one votes. So

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<v Speaker 2>if you want to become Speaker of the House, you

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<v Speaker 2>can only lose four total votes. And this means you

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<v Speaker 2>have to win both the moderates and Matt Gates's coalition

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<v Speaker 2>of fanatics. And this is effectively impossible. It is, it

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<v Speaker 2>is un believably difficult. McCarthy was able to do this

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<v Speaker 2>because he pulled votes from the far right by like

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<v Speaker 2>promising things like impeaching Biden and stuff like that, and

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<v Speaker 2>also sort of cutting cutting his own deals with a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people like Marjorie Taylor Green who like and

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<v Speaker 2>this is and this is the other thing about about

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<v Speaker 2>this impeachment vote is that it's not actually a purely

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<v Speaker 2>ideological lines like far right versus moderate vote, because.

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<v Speaker 3>No, like he he even split the more extreme contention

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<v Speaker 3>of the Republican Party in Congress. It's it's it's really bizarre.

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<v Speaker 3>Well it's not bizarre because you can't like understand it,

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<v Speaker 3>but it is certainly interesting. Where where the dividing lines

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<v Speaker 3>and ended up being for a lot of the people

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<v Speaker 3>that we consider mostly being on the same side right

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<v Speaker 3>because usually people imagine like Matt Gaet's and Marchie Taylor

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<v Speaker 3>Green usually in the same kind of far right voting block.

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<v Speaker 3>And to see like divisions over over this vote is

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<v Speaker 3>certainly an interesting aspect of you know, possible fractures within

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<v Speaker 3>even the extreme contingent of the Republican Party.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and this and this has been a really interesting dynamic,

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<v Speaker 2>but it also makes it just like impossible, Like you

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<v Speaker 2>have to in order to do this, you have to

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<v Speaker 2>somehow appease the moderates and gates, like you're dealing with

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<v Speaker 2>multiple different right wing fringe factions. Yeah, and then and

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<v Speaker 2>this is you know, we'll be talking more about the

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<v Speaker 2>Freedom Caucus in a little bit, but you have to,

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<v Speaker 2>like you're at a point where you're trying to appease

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<v Speaker 2>so many different groups of people who all have kind

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<v Speaker 2>of competing agendas, who also just have like personal beef

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<v Speaker 2>with each other, And as of right now time of recording,

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<v Speaker 2>which is two pm Pacific time on Friday, no one

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<v Speaker 2>has been able to actually pull together this vote. We're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna take an ad break, and then we're.

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<v Speaker 3>Gonna do you know who else actually needs to be

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<v Speaker 3>appeased by these same people?

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<v Speaker 2>Is is it the products and services that supporting it

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<v Speaker 2>is podcast?

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<v Speaker 3>Ronald right Coin looks down upon Congress every single time

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<v Speaker 3>that guy hits that little hammer, and Ronald Reagan coin

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<v Speaker 3>also looks down upon all of you. I think I

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<v Speaker 3>think I have a good idea where to put my

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<v Speaker 3>new uh my new four oh one k investment in.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna do all all gold coin, move all that

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<v Speaker 3>over to gold coin. It's stable, it's gonna be worth

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<v Speaker 3>its it holds value, and that is that is definitely

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<v Speaker 3>my plan. Oh we're back, Hello everybody. Sorry, did didn't

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<v Speaker 3>did not realize you were already back so soon. I

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<v Speaker 3>was just talking with me about expanding my investment portfolio anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>as you were saying.

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<v Speaker 2>So, what has happened after that? The answer is an

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<v Speaker 2>absolute clown show. I mean, if this is this is

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<v Speaker 2>one of the most like James.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's let's not disparage clowns, shall we. That's true, this

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<v Speaker 3>is unfair to be We could have clowns in the audience,

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<v Speaker 3>We could have closeted clowns in this phone call.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true. That's true, Okay, I I yes, I've been

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<v Speaker 2>being unfair to clowns by comparing him to the Republican Party.

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<v Speaker 2>This has been this has been one of the most

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<v Speaker 2>pathetic displays of politics I've ever seen. And I have

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<v Speaker 2>followed the political trajectory of Israeli labor like this is

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<v Speaker 2>this has it's been truly awful. So all right, So

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<v Speaker 2>so McCarthy is ousted. The problem immediately is that no

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<v Speaker 2>one has anywhere close to enough votes to replace him,

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<v Speaker 2>like like and when I say no one like mc

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<v Speaker 2>McCarthy went down by he lost eight votes from the Republicans. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>no one else is within like sixty, right, Like what like.

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<v Speaker 3>This wasn't just a power move for Gates then? Like

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<v Speaker 3>he he was like was was he looking to take

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<v Speaker 3>the spot or no? No, get the gate. There's Gates

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<v Speaker 3>has absolutely no shot of winning. He would get like

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<v Speaker 3>votes maybe like basically nothing. What he was trying to

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<v Speaker 3>and this is this is kind of Gates is in

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<v Speaker 3>this kind of obstructionism thing where he's trying the thing

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<v Speaker 3>he's trying to do basically is he's trying to like

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<v Speaker 3>he's trying to set up himself as a political flank

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<v Speaker 3>of like the most Republicans, Republicans and everyone else, are

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<v Speaker 3>these like sellouts to work with the Democrats. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 3>he's he's also been trying so so. Gates' preferred candidate

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<v Speaker 3>is a guy named Jim Jordan. Jim Jordan is the

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<v Speaker 3>found he was the founding head of the powerful far

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<v Speaker 3>far right Freedom Caucus. And he's a real he's a

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<v Speaker 3>real piece of work.

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<v Speaker 2>He's mad.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like Jim Jordan has been a recurring character

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<v Speaker 3>on this show.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes he's not a he sucks, Like he's not quite

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<v Speaker 2>like a full on neo Nazi in the way, like yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but like he's not good. He's he's he's from like

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<v Speaker 2>the far right. He's what I guess you would call

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<v Speaker 2>the like the more acceptable far right of the Republican Party.

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<v Speaker 2>Like he's from the Freedom Caucus, like is is a

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<v Speaker 2>like a very right wing organization even within the Republican Party.

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<v Speaker 2>But they're not seen as like weird fringe fanatics in

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<v Speaker 2>the way at the very least.

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<v Speaker 3>Hold the door open towards people that are even like

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<v Speaker 3>like even way way more extreme.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, and that's been true.

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<v Speaker 3>He's been serving in Congress since like twentus and seven.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's a very he's a very high He's one

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<v Speaker 2>of the guys. He's he's been like the architect of

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of well not the archetym, he's been one

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<v Speaker 2>of the figures behind a lot of the sort of

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<v Speaker 2>like government shutdown stuff. He's been, he's he's been one

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<v Speaker 2>of the guys who's kind of like, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>like he didn't he cause he didn't come in on

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<v Speaker 2>the tea party wave. He came in before that. But

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<v Speaker 2>he's been he's been a guy who's been pushing that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of sort of like that kind of very very

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<v Speaker 2>rote with politics. His his original opponent was Steve Scalise,

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<v Speaker 2>who is a kind of semi McCarthy ally kind of

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<v Speaker 2>and you will see him described as being more moderate

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<v Speaker 2>then than Jim Jordan, And that is maybe kind of

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<v Speaker 2>true in the sense that like he's being back in

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that like like Jim Jordan is being backed

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<v Speaker 2>by like Marjorie Terry Green, Matt Gates and like Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>This is after Trump gave up his bid to like

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<v Speaker 2>become speak of house himself.

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<v Speaker 3>He backs which would have been the funniest com.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, would have been very funny. But however, we don't.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't live in the funniest off possible timeline, satur

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<v Speaker 2>we live in the worst one. Yeah yeah, so that

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<v Speaker 2>didn't happen. So the problem is the other guy is

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<v Speaker 2>is again this is Steve Scalise, and again he's called

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<v Speaker 2>him moderate. Scalise also wants there there is a report

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<v Speaker 2>of him calling himself and I quote David Duke without

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<v Speaker 2>the baggage, and in in in the early two thousands,

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<v Speaker 2>he spoke at a David at at a rally for

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<v Speaker 2>a group founded by David Duke. Mm hmmm, what without

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<v Speaker 2>the baggage? What is left of David Dude?

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<v Speaker 3>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>How what is what does actually mean? Like we should

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<v Speaker 2>I guess we should have mentioned so David Duke if people

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<v Speaker 2>don't remember David Duke was the Grand Wizard. Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>So when he says David Duke without the baggage, what

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<v Speaker 2>he means is that he he has David Duke's politics,

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<v Speaker 2>but he doesn't have the immediate what the fuck association

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<v Speaker 2>you get when you mentioned the head of the fucking

0:20:21.680 --> 0:20:24.760
<v Speaker 2>KKK that that that's what he was going for, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So this is not a good guy. He's being presented

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<v Speaker 2>as and again, this is what passes for like a moderate.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he's kind of in the modern right of

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<v Speaker 2>the part, but like, this is what passes for a

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<v Speaker 2>fucking moderate Republican in twenty twenty three, right, Like these

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<v Speaker 2>people have always sucked, They've always fucking been like this,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know the problem, Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's a real issue that again, like this guy who

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<v Speaker 2>is like speaking at like it should like in any

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<v Speaker 2>even remotely normal political system, having given a speech at

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<v Speaker 2>a rally for an organization ran by David Duke would

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<v Speaker 2>immediately be disqualifying. But you know, no, like you can

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<v Speaker 2>just do that. You can do that and you get

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<v Speaker 2>to be a moderate in twenty twenty three. But the

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<v Speaker 2>problem with the problem Scalise has is that Sclee's problem

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<v Speaker 2>isn't that again like clan bullshit. It's the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>the way that votes for the Speaker of the House

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<v Speaker 2>work is that so there's an internal blind vote inside

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<v Speaker 2>of the inside of the Republican Party where each each

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<v Speaker 2>each representative gets to anonymously vote, like each Republican representative

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<v Speaker 2>gets to a anonymously vote for their preferred candidates. So

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<v Speaker 2>Jim Jordan like kind of narrowly loses out to Scalise

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<v Speaker 2>in the first rounte in the first vote, So he

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<v Speaker 2>loses one hundred and thirteen to ninety nine, and so

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<v Speaker 2>Scalise comes out as the guy who's the nominee for

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<v Speaker 2>the Republicans.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Problem is, Scalise lasts one day as that guy because

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<v Speaker 2>the problem is to actually become a speaker, you need

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<v Speaker 2>to win a vote on the House floor, and the

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<v Speaker 2>vote on the House floor with everyone in the House,

0:22:06.560 --> 0:22:09.000
<v Speaker 2>including the Democrats, that's where he needs to win two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred seventeen votes. He did not have it. He so

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<v Speaker 2>incredibly did not have it. That again, within a day

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<v Speaker 2>of him winning this vote, he is out. So Scalice

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<v Speaker 2>is now out of the race. What has been so

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<v Speaker 2>the developments Literally as we are recording this, Jim Jordan

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<v Speaker 2>has won a vote to become like the next uh,

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<v Speaker 2>he's the next person to win a vote because he

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<v Speaker 2>was running against just a fucking clown. Sorry I'm being

0:22:36.480 --> 0:22:39.399
<v Speaker 2>offensive to clowns. He's just like a nobody, like just

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<v Speaker 2>like some dipshit the Republicans like picked off off the street. Right,

0:22:42.800 --> 0:22:45.040
<v Speaker 2>Like this is where we're at, Like there's no one

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<v Speaker 2>like if if Jim, if Jim Jordan can't do this,

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<v Speaker 2>like there's like I don't know, like you would like

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<v Speaker 2>bring McCarthy back, Like there's nothing he like Jordan. Jim

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<v Speaker 2>Jordan's like the last even semi serious political figure the

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<v Speaker 2>Republican Party who could even conceivably do this. Jim Jordan

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<v Speaker 2>has won the vote inside the Republican Party, however, come

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<v Speaker 2>and and also the other important thing that happened literally

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<v Speaker 2>as we were recording, is that he's been endorsed by

0:23:10.080 --> 0:23:13.679
<v Speaker 2>McCarthy now, which is kind of a big deal. McCarthy

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<v Speaker 2>has said publicly that he thinks that Jim Jordan has

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<v Speaker 2>the votes. I don't believe him, and I don't believe

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<v Speaker 2>him because immediately after he said that, it came out

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<v Speaker 2>that Jim Jordan is sixty vote short on the floor

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<v Speaker 2>of the House, sixty six zero. He is screwed. There's

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<v Speaker 2>no way, like he has to get through sixty sixty

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<v Speaker 2>votes and there's no way. I don't see a path

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<v Speaker 2>for him to do this, even even with McCarthy's support, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's way for him to do this.

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<v Speaker 2>As of time of recording. The thing that has happened

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<v Speaker 2>is that the Republicans have all gone home because they

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<v Speaker 2>get out at five, and he's going to try to

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<v Speaker 2>spend the weekends like building up support, trying to build

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<v Speaker 2>up enough votes in the House to like win speakership.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, this has not seen where it seems like

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<v Speaker 3>it's it seems like a pretty uh pretty chance.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's possible that like on like Monday or Tuesday

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<v Speaker 2>or something when they're like when this comes out, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>be eating crow and I'll have to record like it

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<v Speaker 2>that's true because it's his date.

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<v Speaker 3>But yes, because this does come out after the weekend,

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<v Speaker 3>so yeah, but we will.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't buy this. I I absolutely just do not

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<v Speaker 2>buy that Jim Jordan has enough votes. This is this

0:24:29.119 --> 0:24:30.840
<v Speaker 2>is this is this is this is my analysis. If

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<v Speaker 2>I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but guessing get sixty votes and

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<v Speaker 2>like there's no way, there's no way. So this is

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<v Speaker 2>this is this is a fact. This is the current

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<v Speaker 2>state of Congress right now, Like we don't we don't

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<v Speaker 2>have a legislave branch. Everything everything is in chaos, nothing

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<v Speaker 2>but down. Two more to go. We're almost there, fellas. Yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 2>the executives, if it cannot come, the executive if we

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<v Speaker 2>can not go be executive, the judiciary will fall by itself. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's that is certainly certainly exciting. There's always always

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<v Speaker 3>good things to look forward to.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But you know, I think I think a closing

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<v Speaker 2>note on this is that the fact that the US

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<v Speaker 2>effectively can't do anything right now, while it's in the

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<v Speaker 2>middle of a pretty serious like a couple of well

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<v Speaker 2>likee one is in the middle of like several very

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<v Speaker 2>very serious international political crises and wars, is has I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, it's it's it's been the thing right now

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<v Speaker 2>that has been restraining the US from just like really

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<v Speaker 2>going all out and trying to get it when a

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<v Speaker 2>Palestine killed So I guess there's that, But I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Our government is a joke, yeah, and like and I

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<v Speaker 2>guess I guess. The last thing I want to say

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<v Speaker 2>is I want to invite all of you, everyone is

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<v Speaker 2>listening to this, to look at these absolute numb skills,

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<v Speaker 2>Like look at what they're doing right now. They can't

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<v Speaker 2>even pick the one guy who is necessary for the

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<v Speaker 2>entire letislative branch to function. And I want you to

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<v Speaker 2>ask yourself, could we do this? Could like any of

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<v Speaker 2>you and like your neighbors and your friends run a

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<v Speaker 2>political system better than this, Because I bet the answer

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<v Speaker 2>is yes.

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