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Speaker 1: Hey, what if this is all ball, we're dropping this podcast.

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Speaker 1: It's probably on a I don't know, Friday or Saturday.

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Speaker 2: You're getting ready.

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Speaker 1: If you're a basketball guy, you may be rolling to

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Speaker 1: a workout, rolling.

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Speaker 2: To a secret shrimmage.

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Speaker 1: If you're an assistant coach, that's where we're going.

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Speaker 2: We got a secret scrimmage.

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Speaker 1: With Northern Illinois. Kind of cool, you know, like new

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Speaker 1: head coach Green Bay. So a lot of different stuff

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Speaker 1: going on. Like I try and do things a little different.

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Speaker 2: So uh, first, and.

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Speaker 1: Apologies to the staff at South Dakota because we were

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Speaker 1: supposed to do up until probably a month and a

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Speaker 1: half ago, a secret scrimmage with South Dakota. What happened

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Speaker 1: was South Dakota is relatively close to here. We're relatively

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Speaker 1: close to them, so we scheduled a scrimmage with them

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Speaker 1: preliminarily in the Twin Cities. Minneapolis is five hours from

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Speaker 2: At our level, we probably aren't going to fly.

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Speaker 1: It's a five hour drive there, five hour drive back,

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Speaker 1: that's a long rickin day. So my boy Antoni Weisch

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Speaker 1: called me I played with him at Notre Dame. He's

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Speaker 2: And he's at Northern Illinois.

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Speaker 1: He's like, hey, you want to play us in Milwaukee?

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Speaker 1: And I said, uh, well yeah. So I went and

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Speaker 2: And They're like, yeah, yes we would.

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Speaker 1: So Milwaukee's like hour thirty from here. There's also a

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Speaker 1: little Wayne concert. If you followed us on social media,

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Speaker 1: also a huge Green Bay Phoenix fan. Now we worked

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Speaker 1: together at Fox, who work together a little bit of ESPN.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna play the scrimmage, watch some college football,

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Speaker 1: It's pretty good, right, not bad for the old coach

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Speaker 1: taking care of my guys. In the meantime, let's get

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Speaker 1: back to the podcast. Part one was Billy Baron. He

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Speaker 1: just got done playing overseas at Olivia Milano and just retire.

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Speaker 1: In part two, we'll talk a little bit about what

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Speaker 1: led to ultimately his retirement. As we talked about his

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Speaker 1: college days. In part one of the pod, what's it

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Speaker 2: What's it like to not make the NBA? What's it

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Speaker 2: like to retire at thirty three?

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Speaker 1: That's all part of this podcast without further ado.

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Speaker 2: Here's part two. Billy Baron on all Ball. What's the

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Speaker 2: best part of playing for your dad?

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Speaker 3: The wins man? Right? Winning and I always regret and

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Speaker 3: not getting my dad NC tournament, Like I'll always always

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Speaker 3: year after everything we went through, win or lost. Me

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Speaker 3: Like the best, you know what I mean? Like I

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Speaker 2: You know me? Do you know how many people?

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Speaker 1: Like by the way, the kids might not get it,

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Speaker 1: but like dads.

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Speaker 1: Like again, quick story, So my dad passedway a decade ago,

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine winning a game, you're the you're the

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Speaker 2: Like a beer or a drink my dad at a

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Speaker 3: like we both were like, you know, all right, a

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Speaker 2: That the best road win that you remember in college.

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Speaker 2: I remember when Dump was there, I was like, dude,

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Speaker 1: You know, they built this brand new, beautiful gam and

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Speaker 1: You tell me you had this we wish Chicago, it's

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Speaker 1: like every day you're there.

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Speaker 1: The Lakers, it's like every day of the are you

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Speaker 2: I just remember it with the Lakers.

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Speaker 1: And the Lakers thing was so fucking intimidating. Like you

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Speaker 3: Did you do the Russian banya? Did you ever do that?

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Speaker 2: What was the the when you like forst You're out?

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Speaker 2: But because how much did you if you know my mask,

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Speaker 1: So a lot of college gets down like right now,

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Speaker 2: At Canisius, right, one of the big boys would come

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Speaker 3: The legal Yeah, it was one of the highest or

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I again, And you can speak like I'm not

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Speaker 3: But do you imagine I wouldn't have made It's a

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00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:08,280
Speaker 3: retas twenty.

437
00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,880
Speaker 1: Four a game, dude, you probably would have gotten minimum

438
00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:15,280
Speaker 1: three fifty maybe five five fifty Peah.

439
00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, as you know, twenty three, twenty two year old, Like,

440
00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:18,280
Speaker 3: come on.

441
00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:20,600
Speaker 2: Not Pat wouldn't be.

442
00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,000
Speaker 3: So when Retas comes at the one ten, you're like,

443
00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:23,840
Speaker 3: I'm off set.

444
00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:28,440
Speaker 2: I'm good. I'm good than hanging on college for another year.

445
00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,080
Speaker 2: You're in Europe, so you get done playing, but now

446
00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:33,240
Speaker 2: you don't have much film. Right.

447
00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,000
Speaker 1: The whole thing with Europe is like your numbers and

448
00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,120
Speaker 1: your film whatever, what was your two?

449
00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:41,000
Speaker 3: Like your two? So I left there I have not

450
00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,000
Speaker 3: I don't have much going on. And I went to

451
00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,240
Speaker 3: Seem in Belgium and euro Cup team actually in Belgium,

452
00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,560
Speaker 3: and they actually took me and my brother. My brother

453
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,520
Speaker 3: called me up and it's like hey, like the coach

454
00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,359
Speaker 3: wants both of us. And I was like really and

455
00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,239
Speaker 3: like I hated basketball so much that first year, Like

456
00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,480
Speaker 3: I it was really really bad, Like I was living

457
00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:03,920
Speaker 3: by myself in Lithuania. I didn't play at all. People

458
00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,159
Speaker 3: are just custing me out every day in languages for

459
00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:10,600
Speaker 3: things that aren't my fault. And I had zero confidence.

460
00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,000
Speaker 3: And so I went to that team with my with

461
00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:16,919
Speaker 3: my brother and actually with my college teammate who like

462
00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:18,920
Speaker 3: it was great. His name is Jordan Heath. He still

463
00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,159
Speaker 3: plays in Japan. So we went there together and he

464
00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,719
Speaker 3: was my boy, and I was like, this is exactly awesome,

465
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:24,640
Speaker 3: Like this is.

466
00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:29,280
Speaker 1: He played and you played in the EuroLeague, euro Cup, EuroCup.

467
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:29,760
Speaker 2: Which cup?

468
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,640
Speaker 3: It's just it was just called eurocups. Like eurally, euro Cup,

469
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:34,359
Speaker 3: that's what it is.

470
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:36,320
Speaker 2: Anymore.

471
00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:38,520
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, they don't have that. The course we

472
00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,960
Speaker 3: were in, I believe that's euro Cup. Yes, that's EuroCup.

473
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,200
Speaker 2: So what was it like to play with your brother?

474
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:47,760
Speaker 3: I mean it was amazing, Like, but my brother was

475
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 3: also like trying to be like the coach, the GM everything.

476
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,640
Speaker 3: I'm like, dude, just like just play, just rely, because

477
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,879
Speaker 3: like I didn't. He didn't play his best. I know

478
00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:57,320
Speaker 3: he could have played better because I think he just

479
00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 3: had like a million things on his mind because like

480
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 3: he wanted to work. So I'm like, bros, just like play.

481
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 3: It was a seventh year overseas. It was my second

482
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:05,919
Speaker 3: year and I just wanted to Like I came off

483
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:07,120
Speaker 3: that year and I was like I had to chip

484
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 3: my shoulder, like I'm going to prove people because like honestly,

485
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,880
Speaker 3: I'm a realistic If I can't make a certain amount

486
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 3: of money in Europe. I'm going home, like I'm gonna

487
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 3: start my life back home. And I love basketball, but

488
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 3: I'm like, this isn't it. This sacrifice is too much

489
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 3: for a little money. So yeah, it was great, man,

490
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 3: like it was we he lived. He lived on the

491
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 3: third floor. I live on the second floor. My boy

492
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 3: lived on the first floor. It was amazing, It really was.

493
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 2: What do you guys do?

494
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 3: A bunch of video games? Like we live in this

495
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:40,440
Speaker 3: like shitty town. Like it was horrible, like horrible.

496
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:41,920
Speaker 2: There's somebody else that.

497
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,239
Speaker 1: It's like everybody talked about like I'm making money, I'm

498
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:44,639
Speaker 1: a presure.

499
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,840
Speaker 2: What did you do? Like I can play video games

500
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:47,360
Speaker 2: every day.

501
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 3: I would do every day Like I was like simple life.

502
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 2: You know, I have a bud.

503
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,640
Speaker 1: I have a buddy who named Gave Frank. He's actually

504
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,360
Speaker 1: a doctor in Wilmington. Kind of a fake guy though

505
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,199
Speaker 1: he does he basically prescribes to a medicine have more

506
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:03,879
Speaker 1: drug addicts.

507
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 2: Anyway, shout out to Gabe, you're listening.

508
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 1: But he was like he was in like I think

509
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 1: he played little in Israel and then he was like

510
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 1: in the CBA, and then he went to medical school.

511
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,159
Speaker 1: And he like was plunking out of medical school. It's like,

512
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 1: what the fuck, dude. He's like, bro, I've been playing basketball,

513
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 1: which means you go to the gym and then you

514
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,360
Speaker 1: come back and you fucking play video games all day,

515
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 1: and then you go back to the gym and then

516
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 1: you get something to eat, and then maybe you play

517
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 1: video games or maybe you go out looking for chicks,

518
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 1: and then you go to sleep, and then you get

519
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 1: up and you do it again. He's like, that's not

520
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,919
Speaker 1: really setting me up. Or medical school, Like I got

521
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 1: to remember, like I gotta be up like twenty hours

522
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,920
Speaker 1: of the day, like studying like eighteen of them.

523
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, that's a pretty good point, right,

524
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 2: What I do when I.

525
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 1: Do so I don't actually have to work, right, just

526
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 1: like do shit that I get paid for, but I

527
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 1: don't actually have to do real stuff. So okay, So

528
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 1: you play in Belgium.

529
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then what I had a good year there,

530
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 3: end up going to Spain. I went from there to

531
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 3: Spain Mercia, so actually I led the It was like

532
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 3: second in the euro Cup in scoring. So I had

533
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 3: a good year, advanced my game went to Spain kind

534
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 3: of like an up and down year there. Yeah, I

535
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 3: mean Spain was nice and all, but it was just

536
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 3: a decent year. It didn't really move the needle for me.

537
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 3: I had two years. I didn't move the needle for

538
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 3: me my first year, in my third year, my third

539
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 3: year is very flat. Then we went to that team

540
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 3: in Turkey in the middle of like nowhere basically, you know,

541
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 3: and like my agent had, you know, it was like,

542
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,159
Speaker 3: do you want to go back to Mercia, which is

543
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 3: like kind of like an Arizona, like I lived on

544
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 3: a golf course. Do you want to go in Arizona?

545
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 3: Or do you want to go to Mercia? Do you

546
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,719
Speaker 3: want to go to Strasburg, beautiful French town, they're very

547
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 3: good in the French League. Or do you want to

548
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:46,679
Speaker 3: go to this team in like Turkey. I don't know.

549
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,679
Speaker 3: He's like I can't even pronounce her name. I'm like,

550
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 3: what's that team? You know what I mean, like you

551
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 3: know they need your score? Okay, what's the team name?

552
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,919
Speaker 3: Like where? I don't care where it is at this point,

553
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:58,959
Speaker 3: like I need to go play and have a good season.

554
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 3: So and this is my second year married and I'm

555
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,199
Speaker 3: like Valley. I told my wife, like we're gonna go

556
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 3: to this place over here. I told, I said, listen,

557
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 3: you gotta give me like nine months here. I'm going

558
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 3: to dial it in and then you know, we'll be

559
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 3: fine after that, I promise. So I went to the

560
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 3: small team in Turkey and it really worked out.

561
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 2: Man.

562
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,439
Speaker 3: Like I had great teammates. So I had Sean Marshall

563
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 3: who went to Boston College. Sure, Josh Duncan, great format Xavier,

564
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 3: who played at Xavier. Yeah, Jeff he was Pendergraph at

565
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 3: Arizona State. Uh he's name, yeah, Jeff ayra Is Now

566
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 3: it was Jeff E. J Rowland played at Saint Mary's.

567
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 3: So like, I just had like a great group of

568
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 3: like Americans. It was just like a great stepping stone

569
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 3: in my career because from there I went on to

570
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 3: Red Star, which was like a B which was a

571
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 3: big jump.

572
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: Yes, the Red Star. Yeah, first, when did you get

573
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 1: the Red Star? Like September training all that stuff.

574
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 3: I guess like second week in August?

575
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,439
Speaker 2: What's his training line? You know?

576
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 3: I had a favorable coach that year, which a godsend

577
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 3: because I had heard horror stories. But like, I'm whatever,

578
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 3: twenty seven, so I'm like whatever, I'll do whatever I

579
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 3: have to do. But he was great man Like, he

580
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,479
Speaker 3: was so calm, he was so like what you wouldn't

581
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 3: think a Serbian would be.

582
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 2: And don't think he's they like super tall point guards.

583
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,199
Speaker 3: They do. I had first sure at Joe Raglan. My

584
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,719
Speaker 3: second year there had Lorenzo Brown. I'm a two. I

585
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,199
Speaker 3: changed to it too. Yeah, my second year, after my

586
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 3: second year in Belgium, my team in Spain put me

587
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 3: at the two. We had a point guard named Facu Compazo,

588
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 3: who's very good. I don't know if you know, of course, yeah,

589
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,120
Speaker 3: he's really good. So he was So I started playing

590
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 3: the two, and I was like, whoa, this is way

591
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 3: easier because like.

592
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 2: I don't have to run, just go get buckets.

593
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,360
Speaker 3: Like I remember I was playing the point guard from

594
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 3: that team in Belgium. I'm like bringing the ball up

595
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 3: every single time. Guys like hounding me, and I'm like,

596
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 3: I'm six and six to two, but I'm not like

597
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 3: the fastest guy. So like, if you get to put

598
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 3: a little point guard on me, like he's gonna turn

599
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 3: me three or four times, that's exhausting over the course

600
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 3: of the game. Or and you got to shoot, you

601
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 3: do all this stuff. So I started playing the two

602
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 3: and I remember my brother used to come off and

603
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 3: I'd be drenched in sweat and I look at my brother.

604
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,439
Speaker 3: He's sweating. But I'm like, dude, like I'm working like

605
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 3: three times harder than you because he was playing the two.

606
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 3: So finally when they put me at the two, I'm like, wow,

607
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,199
Speaker 3: this is like way easier. So at that time in

608
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 3: Red Star I was playing, I was playing the two.

609
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 3: My first year, I had Joe Raglan, he played at

610
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 3: Wichita State, great player.

611
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 4: Uh.

612
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 3: And then my second year is Lorenzo Brown was the

613
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 3: point guard.

614
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 2: My second year Brown could drop some dimes too.

615
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 1: What is that We've I've everybody seen that atmosphere on

616
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: like Instagram?

617
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 2: What's that shit like to play? Man?

618
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 3: Like you you know some days, like you show up

619
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 3: to a game, you're just like don't for some reason,

620
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 3: you just like don't have it. Like he's just like

621
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 3: maybe in a fog, like maybe if you took a

622
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 3: nap before the game, was like I just can't wake up.

623
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 3: You're selling cold water on your face. You just like

624
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 3: I can't wake up. It doesn't matter if you had

625
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,719
Speaker 3: a bad nap and you can't wake up when you

626
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 3: walk into that gym, like they're there before you are,

627
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 3: So you're walking into a big game and it's going

628
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 3: to be packed. As you're walking into the gym, you

629
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 3: hear them they're in the gym already, and you're like,

630
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 3: and there's there's ten bodyguards on the side of you

631
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 3: with helmets and guns and invest and you're like, yo,

632
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 3: like let's fucking go, Like there's no way we're losing tonight,

633
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 3: and I'll never forget. Like they playing this gym called

634
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 3: Pioneer and I call it like the Madison Square Guard

635
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 3: of Europe. It's like the best gym. It's the best

636
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 3: gym in the world because it's like it just goes straight.

637
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,479
Speaker 3: The sides just go like straight up and everyone's standing,

638
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 3: so it feels like everyone's just on top of you

639
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 3: and they're just like jumping and cheating, lighting off.

640
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 2: Flares, let off flares, like the flair thing is like

641
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 2: what what? What is? What is going on here?

642
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 3: I'm not like I remember we played a game in

643
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 3: the Championship, Game five of the Championship to go to

644
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 3: the euro League my first year, and this place is

645
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 3: absolutely like fact. I mean, they delayed the game for

646
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 3: forty five minutes because there was because when we went

647
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 3: to this team at Montenegro, they were like spitting on us.

648
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 3: They were like pushing us literally in warm ups, like

649
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 3: throwing the ball. Boys took the ball, threw it in

650
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 3: the stands. The fans would take the ball, and we're

651
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 3: in warm ups. It's like, yo, can you give us

652
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 3: our ball back? And they're pegging the ball at you,

653
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 3: and you go, this is crazy. I mean, my assistant coach,

654
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 3: he's at the end of the you know when you

655
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 3: do layup lines, he's at the end giving you high fives.

656
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 3: If you looked at the back of his jacket, there

657
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 3: was lookies just like all over the back of his jacket.

658
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 3: So we lost game four and we're like all right,

659
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 3: like wait until they come to our place. This is

660
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 3: going to be insane. And I remember and shoot around

661
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 3: like guys, like, the game's gonna get delayed tonight by

662
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 3: probably like an hour, so just know that because our

663
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 3: fans are gonna go nuts. So you know, the other

664
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 3: team is like Norris Cole, Earl Clark, who else is

665
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 3: on that team? Trying to think, but some players, some guys.

666
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 3: So we're in warm ups and you know we're going

667
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 3: to its place as nuts and they run out and

668
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 3: the place is booing and blah blah blah. And you

669
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 3: know how I told you about how the ball boys

670
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 3: took the ball and the bro we had like these

671
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 3: like mobsters and they put like specific people there, like

672
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 3: three or four mobsters. They took the ball and they

673
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 3: start walking towards them and they're at mid court going

674
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 3: like in the middle like you know, one, two, three,

675
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 3: go team. They're looking at him, they're walking towards him

676
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 3: like come here, come get the ball, like this, come

677
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 3: get the ball. And this is game five to go

678
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 3: to the Yearly, Like this is you have to win

679
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 3: your title to get promoted to the Yearly. And they're like,

680
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 3: come get the ball. And I'm like yo, I'm looking

681
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 3: down like trying to go through warm ups. I'm like, yo,

682
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 3: this is like a movie. This is crazy. And so

683
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 3: like they didn't give him the ball, and then they're

684
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 3: throwing fireworks someone through like a whole thing of coke

685
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 3: like and everyone kind of looked at that guy like,

686
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 3: you know, don't throw soda in the court. It's gonna

687
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 3: ruin the court. I can't remember that they delayed the game,

688
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 3: but I remember when the game started. I'm like Guarden,

689
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 3: Norse Cole and north fast guy, and but it was

690
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 3: so crazy in there. He gets the ball like and

691
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 3: I'm picking them up like ninety four and I'm like, yo,

692
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 3: I'm right here, and that only that place could make

693
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 3: me do that, like I'm right here and like you're

694
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 3: not going anywhere type yo. And like I remember at

695
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 3: one point we're up like fifty, We're up like seventy

696
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 3: something to twenty something against a team with good players.

697
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 3: It was wild, man, it was it was it was

698
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 3: a movie.

699
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 2: Why'd you quit?

700
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 3: Because I couldn't My body couldn't do it anymore, like

701
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 3: I had. What happened to me last year was like

702
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 3: it was an awful experience, man, Like my wife just

703
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 3: asked me here like an hour ago, and how do

704
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 3: you feel, you know, how you did it? I'm actually like,

705
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 3: I'm actually relieved because what I was going through, Like

706
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 3: I don't want any athlete.

707
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 2: To go through that ever ever, which is which is what.

708
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 3: So I was in Milan these past couple of years

709
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 3: and we won the championship. My first year, I got

710
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 3: surgery on my elbow to clean it up, and I'm like,

711
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 3: all right, four to six week recovery, like scoping the elbow,

712
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 3: cleaning it out, take out a bone spur. Four six

713
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 3: weeks perfect, won't miss any time. Fine, and I had

714
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 3: another year of my deal. Get the surgery done. June

715
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 3: twenty fourth, you know, go home back to the States.

716
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 3: I had it done in Italy and my arm's just

717
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 3: like hurting. I'm like, man, what's going on? What's going on?

718
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 3: And the doctor's like, oh, no, worry, the pain's gonna

719
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 3: go away. The pain didn't go away, and all of

720
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 3: a sudden, my arm locked up. Yeah, what what's going on?

721
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 3: What is that? So then I ended up having to

722
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 3: go back to Italy in late August and they think

723
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 3: my elbow's frozen, right, So they're taking my elbow and

724
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 3: they're just like ranking it back and forth, cranking it

725
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 3: back and forth. Like I'm in like tears, like I'm

726
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 3: like lightheaded and hurts so much. Eventually we go get

727
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 3: an MRI. We go back to see the doctor and

728
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 3: they're like, yeah, like, you have a bunch of stuff

729
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 3: that grew back in your arm. It's called calcification. You

730
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 3: have a bunch of stuff that grew back in your arm.

731
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 3: We got to operate on that again. So I'm like

732
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 3: all right, okay, fine, So they operate on it again

733
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 3: like August nights, and I get I have the Tommy

734
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 3: John scar here. It's like, right, you know, a scar

735
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 3: like this big, same thing on this side. They took

736
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 3: out ten and a half ounces of the stuff that

737
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 3: gri on my arm, which is like a like a

738
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 3: steak like it's it's it took out a lot of stuff.

739
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 3: And again, right after that surgery, we go through the

740
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 3: same type of rehab. I mean like I'm on the

741
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 3: hospital bed and they're moving my arm back and forth

742
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 3: and I'm like bleeding through the bandage. I'm like, oh,

743
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 3: it's this. It's extremely painful. My god, this is what

744
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 3: I'm supposed to do. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. So I

745
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 3: go back and recovering for the next two months. They're

746
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 3: just cranking my arm back and forth. My golass staying hurts.

747
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 3: All of a sudden, arm stops moving again, Like what's

748
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 3: going on? So like, oh, you know, it's okay, it's okay,

749
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 3: it's okay. So come I was supposed to come back

750
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 3: for Christmas. Well we have some injuries going on. So

751
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 3: they're like, well you should play. You know, it's going

752
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 3: to get better, right, that's the mentality. It's going to

753
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 3: get better as you play. Somehow, I'm like, all right,

754
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 3: you know I've never gone through this. I'm like, okay,

755
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 3: so I'll play a game, and man, when I tell

756
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 3: you before the first game I played from June to December,

757
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 3: I think I literally made ten three pointers total. I

758
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 3: could not reach the basket. You could have put a

759
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 3: million dollars at the top of the key, say abillity

760
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 3: make one out of ten. I couldn't. I had nerve damage.

761
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 3: I couldn't literally I couldn't follow through, Like my hand

762
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 3: would go like this, Like I couldn't even shoot, Like

763
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 3: the ball will go two feet in front of me.

764
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 3: So some days I would be like, you know, I

765
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 3: step into it. I could finally get it there. So

766
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 3: there's like play some games. You know we're shorting guys.

767
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 3: You know this party recovery process. So we're playing some games.

768
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 3: I'm playing the point. At this point, I literally have

769
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 3: one arm. I have my left arm. I can't shoot

770
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 3: threes in my right arm. I played three four games

771
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 3: all of a sudden. For the last game, you know,

772
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 3: I just played so bad. I was in so much pain.

773
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 3: They're giving me the strongest pain killer. It's not working.

774
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 3: I start freaking out, you know, on the doctors and everything,

775
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:56,760
Speaker 3: like what are we doing? Like this is this is joke.

776
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 3: So we're like, all right, take January off, you know,

777
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 3: let it heal all this stuff. Okay, take January off.

778
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 3: Nothing's happening. So at this point, like I'm on a

779
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 3: contract yere, time is ticking. Europe is super cutthroat, and

780
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,240
Speaker 3: like I'm thirty three and I had all these plans,

781
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 3: like I finished my first year in Milan like really well,

782
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 3: and I was like, I want to be in Milan

783
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 3: for the rest of my career, and I thought I

784
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 3: established myself like I should be here. Everyone thinks I

785
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 3: will be here for the rest of my career. And

786
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 3: it's really good money, by the way. So I uh,

787
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 3: after January goes, it's not getting any better, and I'm

788
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 3: like all right, guys, like I'm gonna go see my

789
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 3: own doctor here like this is not working. I drive

790
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 3: to Munich with my family. I go see the Bayern

791
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 3: Munich doctor who's supposed to be like you know, he's

792
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 3: top he top level. He looks my arm and he's

793
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 3: like that's impossible. How can you play like that's a joke.

794
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 3: We go get an MRI. He tells me, yeah, you

795
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 3: need another surgery. You know, the doctor didn't take out

796
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 3: the piece that's blocking your reflection, is what he said, Mike,

797
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 3: you kidding me. I'm like all right, man, Like it

798
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 3: was like, you know, when my wife asked me how

799
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 3: you know, how are you doing now? I said, I'm

800
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 3: relieved because that moment in Munich when he told me

801
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 3: I needed another surgery right then and there, he basically

802
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 3: said your career is over. Like in my eyes, like

803
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 3: that's what I heard. Like I was crying, man, it

804
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 3: was horrible. Like I'm literally like walking the streets of

805
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 3: Munich after that, like literally cried like this is like

806
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 3: this is a joke, you know, So take my family

807
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,399
Speaker 3: back to the States. I'm gonna get the surgery done

808
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 3: in the States. Trying to find good doctors. Finally found the

809
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 3: Yankees doctor and he looks at my arm and he

810
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 3: just goes.

811
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 2: Who is it.

812
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 3: I'll check, Yeah, I'll check David Dave, I don't check.

813
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, oh, And he.

814
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 3: Doesn't hold back. He looks at my arm and goes,

815
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 3: what a fucking disaster. He goes, what is that? I'm like, doc, please,

816
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 3: like don't tell me it's that bad. Please. He goes,

817
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 3: what a fucking disaster. He goes, we don't. He goes

818
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 3: to scar you. He goes, we don't do that. We

819
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 3: don't do that at all. And he goes, what have

820
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 3: you been doing? Free habbing? And they've been cranking my arm?

821
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 4: He goes.

822
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 3: He puts his hands on his head. He's like, no,

823
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 3: what are you doing? So I'm like all right. Like

824
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 3: he goes, you want to get the surgery. I'm like, yeah,

825
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 3: I'm here. He goes, and I said to him, I go,

826
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 3: can you save my arm? He goes, I'll try. He goes,

827
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 3: it's awful as it is, but I'll try. Like when

828
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 3: I tell you, like my arm was like like this

829
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 3: is almost perfect extension, Like it was here to here.

830
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 3: That's all I had. Was there, That's all I had.

831
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 3: So I go and get the surgery. March nineteenth after like, man,

832
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 3: after like the week, I'm like, all right, we it's

833
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 3: a movement here all right. After two weeks, I started

834
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 3: shooting basketball and I feel like a little kid again. Man.

835
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 3: I'm like, holy, I can get the ball in my

836
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 3: shooting pocket. I couldn't get the ball my shooting pocket

837
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 3: was gone. My arm couldn't bend. It still it doesn't

838
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 3: really bend, but I can get the ball in my

839
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 3: shooting pocket. Once I got the ball in my shooting pocket,

840
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 3: I looked at my wife. I'm like, oh, we can

841
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 3: do this. Oh we can definitely do this. So I

842
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 3: text my coach right away because they ruled me out

843
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 3: for the season, because my physical therapist was like, you

844
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 3: can come back in May, and I'm like, WHOA really May? Yeah.

845
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 3: So I texted my coach and I'm like, hey, coach,

846
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be back for the playoffs, like I'm gonna play.

847
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 3: I told them I'm gonna play in the playoffs. You

848
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 3: can only play six Bogners. We had ten, so I said.

849
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 3: I text my coach. I said with the confidence, crazy conference,

850
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 3: like I'm gonna play. I'm gonna practic, I'm gonna play.

851
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 3: So I worked my butt off in Florida for like

852
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 3: the month of April. I show up there after the

853
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 3: day after the last regular season game. I have four

854
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 3: practices to prove myself. I basically I haven't played all year,

855
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,720
Speaker 3: and I was back man like, I was hitting shots

856
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,879
Speaker 3: and I was just like, oh, like this is this

857
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 3: is unbelievable, like you know, talking shit all this stuff,

858
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:36,959
Speaker 3: and I felt like I had to miss the beat

859
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 3: he puts me in the rotation. I'm like, wow, man,

860
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 3: I'm like kind of tearing up. I'm like, Dad, I

861
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 3: can't believe we just pulled that off. Bro, I get

862
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 3: I get to the warm ups of the game, so

863
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 3: they didn't announce me, and I was playing until I

864
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 3: literally showed up and I walked out my warm up

865
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 3: and everyone's clapping. I got goose bumps. I go and

866
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 3: I'm doing floaters my my routines, like I just start

867
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 3: with floaters. I go up with a floater.

868
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 2: Bro.

869
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 3: I come down and I just tear my cap and

870
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 3: I felt it go right away. I just I tore

871
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 3: my cap and I knew it right away, Like I

872
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 3: was like wow, like that just like I'm like looking

873
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 3: up with my that really just happened. Really, go back

874
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,919
Speaker 3: to my locker room. I'm texted my wife and text

875
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 3: my brother. I'm like, I just tore my calf, like

876
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 3: I know for a fact, it's gone, Like what do

877
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 3: I do? And then we kind of came up with

878
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 3: a solution like you gotta play, like you got to

879
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,720
Speaker 3: show Europe that your elbows healthy. So I'm like walking

880
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 3: on like I'm walking on like the edge of my foot,

881
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 3: walking on my heel, playing the game and I hit

882
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 3: my only three and I came out of the game

883
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 3: and I didn't play. I didn't play again because basically

884
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 3: they were rehabbing me to come back for the finals.

885
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 3: I tore it again. It wasn't ready. So that's another story.

886
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 3: But I get back to America. Second day in America,

887
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 3: my agent hits me up and says, yeah, the team

888
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 3: doesn't want your back. They don't want to say a

889
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:04,280
Speaker 3: risk on you. I was like, after all, that, really,

890
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 3: don't you don't even tell me to my faith, you

891
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 3: just you tell me After I left my second day

892
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 3: in America. So that was like between Munich and when

893
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 3: I heard that news, those were extremely tough, like I

894
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,399
Speaker 3: could have freaking broke my hand and punched a wall

895
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 3: like it was. That was that frustrated. So I waited around.

896
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 3: I'm sending workouts to teams and I'm and I'm I'm

897
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 3: slinging it. I'm shooting it well, but everyone has question

898
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 3: marks about my status. I didn't have any year league offers,

899
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:39,399
Speaker 3: and I told my agent, like I just I only

900
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 3: went year league, like I'm not playing anything else because

901
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 3: I established myself in the league and I thought I

902
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 3: can play in the league for you know, start, you know,

903
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 3: two three, four more years. So he came with China

904
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 3: like late, I think late in September, which is late,

905
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 3: you know, Europe's already going on. So he came to

906
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,919
Speaker 3: me with with China. I said, yeah, I'll do It's

907
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 3: great money, Yeah, let's do it. So we go to Shanghai,

908
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 3: fly my family out to Shanghai. We get there and

909
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 3: I'm practicing with them, and they're doing two a days,

910
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 3: two and a half hour, both taped, you know, and

911
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 3: I take a couple of hits in my elbow and

912
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 3: I'm just like, this isn't this isn't it. Like this

913
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 3: isn't this isn't it. And in China everyone signs month

914
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,439
Speaker 3: to month contracts. In the first two months, the last

915
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 3: five months are guaranteed. So I'm like, listen, like, let's

916
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 3: just call it what it is. Like I told myself,

917
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 3: like this isn't going to work, Like I'm not going

918
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 3: to make it. Like I literally woke up at the

919
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 3: middle of the night and you start crying to my

920
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 3: wife and I'm just like listen, like I'm done. I'm done,

921
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 3: Like this is what like this stress level, Like I've

922
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 3: stressed over my dad being fired, over going to different schools,

923
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 3: over living all these countries. This was like completely on

924
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 3: another level what I was battling with. And I was like,

925
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 3: where do Let's just go home and we just went

926
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 3: home and like and that was it. That was it.

927
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 3: So now it's either you know, I've been I've been

928
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,720
Speaker 3: talking to my agent. My agent's extremely powerful in Europe.

929
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:16,760
Speaker 3: His name is Mishko or is Nanovich. He represents Jokic

930
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 3: and he's got that the team Mega, I don't know

931
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,760
Speaker 3: what their name. This year they usually Mega B Max,

932
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 3: the pink team. So he's got them over there, and

933
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 3: I told, you know, maybe i'll you know, talk to

934
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:28,720
Speaker 3: him about helping him out and sending kids to college

935
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 3: because there's a whole bunch of European talent. It's kind

936
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 3: of it's it's it's the new wave. So we've had

937
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 3: discussions about that and we're we're gonna talk tomorrow about it.

938
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 3: A couple of NBA teams have reached out for different purposes,

939
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 3: whether it's player development, scouting and whatnot. So I'm gonna

940
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 3: go around there for the next couple of weeks.

941
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: All right, that's it for part one of of our

942
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: our pod. I think it's probably gonna be a three

943
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: part pod with Billy Barron. Pretty awesome stuff. Reminded of

944
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 1: the Doug Gottlieb broadcast live daily on Fox Sports Trading

945
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:03,400
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946
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 2: We go from three.

947
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948
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949
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: just I have so many thanks for people who they

950
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: continue to make this not only this pod possible, but

951
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 1: but this gig is special.

952
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 2: One.

953
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: I mentioned a lot meats in the in I'll mention

954
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: it in the podcast. Scott and Kelly Perry, you guys

955
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:34,280
Speaker 1: have been awesome. We're starting to, you know, work some

956
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: some business with the gun, which of course is a

957
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:42,719
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958
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: as many of you have noticed, our good friends at

959
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00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:54,000
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961
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 1: thirst ever since. Well listen, we got more all balls

962
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963
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Speaker 2: Download rate download, subscribe and rate, review and uh.

964
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: In a couple of days we'll drop part two, and

965
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: a couple of days after that we'll drop part three.

966
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 2: It gets better and better. Thanks so much for listening.

967
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 2: I'm Doug Godli.

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Speaker 3: This is all ball