1 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Christmas Eve edition of Between the Horns. 2 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: Kerner went alongside my good friends DeMarco far and Stu Jackson, 3 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:19,479 Speaker 1: and a little bit of some blustery weather, so we 4 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: hope you are staying safe out there and nice and 5 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: dry here in Los Angeles. 6 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 2: You guys make it okay this morning. 7 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 3: I was born and raised in the Midwest. I know 8 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 3: how to drive in the rain. I was in good shape. 9 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 4: There you go, let's trouble with you that cut me off? 10 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 2: Well again. 11 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: This is brought to you by your Southern California toilet dealers. Guys, 12 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: we are coming off the loss of the Seattle Seahawks, 13 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: There's no question about it. It has been a tough week. 14 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: I don't think I've recovered, have either of you? 15 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, way on to Atlanta. 16 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 5: It makes when you lose a tough game like that, 17 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:52,480 Speaker 5: especially a division game to them up there, it makes 18 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 5: football watching tough. But once you get past the weekend, 19 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 5: I mean, everybody's got their problems and this is not 20 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 5: over by a long shot. Like the season ended in Seattle. 21 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 5: It just made your journey a little bit tougher. And 22 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 5: this is still a very good football team with a 23 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 5: great quarterback. So it stinks, but you have to get 24 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 5: over it quick because you got two left before you 25 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 5: start the postseason. 26 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: You know, if there's one thing I learned about the 27 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 1: NFL in the short time I've been here, just over 28 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: one week, a lot can change, and a lot has 29 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: changed for Los Angeles Rams in terms of what the 30 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: playoff out or the playoff outlook can look like. Right, 31 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: you go from first in the NFC to six. But 32 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 1: one thing that hasn't changed for me is that I 33 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: don't think this is the sixth best team in the NFC, 34 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: let alone the NFL. This is still a top tier team. 35 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: You look at the four losses, three of which were 36 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 1: against teams currently leading their divisions, two against divisional rivals 37 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: on short weeks. You think about those Thursday night football matchups, 38 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: and then you also think about the strength of victory 39 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: for this Los Angeles Rams team. 40 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 2: It's number one in the NFL. 41 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: Have your confidence wavered whatsoever with this team? 42 00:01:58,400 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 4: None? Whatsoever? 43 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, only because in the times that they've had setbacks, 44 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 3: they've figured out a way to make adjustments. Whether it 45 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 3: was when Puka got hurt in the shift of thirteen personnel, 46 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 3: whether it's you know, changing personnel on special teams to 47 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,679 Speaker 3: try to get the you know, field goal operation back 48 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 3: on track, or you know, more recently the case of 49 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 3: you know, changing the direct the leadership direction in that phase. Like, 50 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 3: no matter what it's been throughout the season, after losses 51 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 3: or in wake of you know, schematic or personnel adjustments, 52 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 3: the team has found a way to get back on track. 53 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 3: And so maybe it's just the overarching those over arching 54 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 3: adjustments and that overarching adaptability overall. But I think that's 55 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 3: what gives me confidence more than anything, because I mean, 56 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 3: unfortunately it's not the first time they dealt with a 57 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 3: setback like this, but they've shown they can respond to 58 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 3: it before. 59 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you even think just back to last year, 60 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: if we were sitting at this point at eleven and four, 61 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I think we would have all been praising 62 00:02:58,080 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: what was taking place with the Rams. 63 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 5: If you would have handed me like a beginning of 64 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 5: the year, we'll give you eleven wins and then this 65 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 5: happens and you already made the playoffs, I would definitely 66 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 5: take this. 67 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 4: So this is an enviable position. 68 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 5: It just like I said, it hurts because you lost 69 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 5: to Seattle up there, and it was emotional, But I 70 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 5: don't think Seattle left thinking, Okay, we got the Rams. 71 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:20,799 Speaker 5: They still have to worry about the Rams as much 72 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 5: as you have to worry about them, and there's a 73 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:24,679 Speaker 5: lot of football left to play and you may see 74 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 5: them again. 75 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: And understandably, I feel like there were some frustrations coming 76 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: out of Thursday night for a multitude of reasons. 77 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:32,519 Speaker 2: And you can, without question. 78 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: Make a multitude of arguments, but to coach mcvay's point, 79 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: you can't make excuses. So I asked the both of you, 80 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: from looking at our own execution, what do you feel 81 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: like really could have shifted that game back towards our 82 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: favor that was within our control? 83 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 5: H gosh, take away the punt return number one. I mean, 84 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 5: I thought that was a killer because they were absolutely dead. 85 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 5: You did, you had them, the crowd was out of it, 86 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 5: and then that punt return gave them life and then 87 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 5: just kept the ball rowing offensively. I thought there was 88 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 5: some second and six stuff, second and medium stuff down 89 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 5: the stretch that did not work out, got stuffed or whatever, 90 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 5: and that turned into six or third and oh my god, 91 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 5: you're on the road bear trap time and like snowballed 92 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 5: from you. There defensively, you've got to hold up your 93 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 5: end of the bargain. Seattle scored fast, They scored early, 94 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 5: right out of the gate, and then they scored again 95 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 5: on a fifty five yarder to open the second half. 96 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 5: So there's some things that you probably want back there. 97 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 5: But I thought you made enough plays to win the game. 98 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 5: But give Seattle credit for hanging around and then making 99 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 5: more plays than you at the end. And they did 100 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 5: everything they could to protect Sam Darnold. They really did early. 101 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 5: I mean, I've never seen a team go away from 102 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 5: their quarterback so much, maybe with the exception of Carolina, 103 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 5: but that's different. But when they needed him most, he 104 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 5: stepped up big. So tip of the cap to him. 105 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 5: But I thought you made more than enough plays to win. 106 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 5: They just made one more than you did. 107 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 3: The three and outs, especially by the offense late. I mean, 108 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 3: there were, like you mentioned. I mean, i'd point to 109 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 3: the pun return as well, but I mean there are 110 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 3: things that you could point to, really in all three 111 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 3: phases where just for whatever reason, there was a drop 112 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 3: off in execution that you know, didn't quite allow things 113 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 3: to go the rams way, even though obviously the offense, 114 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 3: you know, gave them a chance. 115 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 2: There toward the end as we look ahead. 116 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: Of course, the Atlanta Falcons playing on Monday Night football 117 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: on this holiday week. I also want to provide some 118 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: encouragement because and I don't think you have to look 119 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: much further than the man leading the charge. Sean McVay 120 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: so impressed with his postgame presser as well as the 121 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 1: Coach McVay show when he sat down with JB. Long, 122 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: truly representing not only great leadership, but just competitive grit. 123 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: What have you taken from his response this week? 124 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 5: Wow, he's really good at this. Yeah, I mean just 125 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 5: the whole thing when you think about it. He's a 126 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 5: great coach, he's a brilliant play caller. He can speak 127 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 5: to anyone regardless of where you are, veteran or rookie. 128 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 5: And he's pretty good in the media afterwards when you 129 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 5: know that he see them and he wants to say 130 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 5: a lot, but it's not going to do any good, 131 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 5: So let me give you this and then you know, 132 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 5: let me cool off a little bit. 133 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 4: But he's fantastic. 134 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 5: That's the reason outside of Stafford that you feel so confident, 135 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 5: especially coming off this loss. When he says, I feel 136 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 5: sorry for who we have up next. I think he 137 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 5: means it, and that's the way he coaches, and that's 138 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 5: the stuff you like as a player and as a 139 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 5: broadcaster watching. So I believe him when he said, like, 140 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:26,919 Speaker 5: we're going to get better, We're going to lean into this. 141 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 5: He's never going to shy away from it. That's exactly 142 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 5: what you need coming off a Thursday night heartbreaker like this. 143 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,679 Speaker 3: I would say the eagerness to just him talking about 144 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 3: how excited he was to really get back in the 145 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 3: building and work alongside players and coaches to get this 146 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 3: thing back on track, Like you could sell just from 147 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 3: the tone in that response and several responses really from 148 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 3: postgame on, just like how much of a sense of 149 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 3: urgency he has to get this thing right. And that's 150 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 3: the thing that I'm most looking forward to seeing as 151 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 3: they progress through this week. 152 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 5: It reminded me like a high school for a hot minute, 153 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 5: if he could have to pull the team out and 154 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:04,679 Speaker 5: had them practice right there. That's one of the moments 155 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 5: like he was like, let me be professional, but the 156 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 5: guy was fired up. 157 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm having flashbacks. 158 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: A couple quotes that have really stood out to me 159 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: this week, again coming from the coach. 160 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 2: McVeagh show. 161 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: If you haven't had a chance to watch it, I'm 162 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: going to encourage you to do so again with JB. 163 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: Long this week, I was fired up, ready to run 164 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: through a wall, and coach McVay oftentimes gets to this 165 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: entire fan base to that point, but setbacks are setups 166 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: for a comebacks. That's one of his go tos, his favorites. 167 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: But he also discussed our scars will strengthen us and 168 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: it always, it always rings true, especially when you consider 169 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: just adversity and how much it can strengthen you. He 170 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: also talked about not being the victims coming out of 171 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: this week, and I love that he said anyone anywhere 172 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: doesn't matter from a playoff perspective, He'll take anybody on. 173 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 5: You know, I've been trying to say that because when 174 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 5: people don't see you on Thursdays and then they want 175 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 5: to ask you questions and it's been two or three 176 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 5: days and they go back to, hey, what happened during 177 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 5: that two point conversion? You ever seen anything like that? 178 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 4: No? Never, But that's not the reason they lost. Well, 179 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:02,239 Speaker 4: who do I blame? 180 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 5: Will blame the rams, you know, don't blame the rafts, 181 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 5: don't blame anybody else. Blame the Rams, then I agree 182 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 5: with them. You're not victims. You had plenty of chances 183 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 5: after that to win the football game. That's what I mean. 184 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 5: Tip your cap to Seattle. They're good. It's a learning 185 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 5: I guess deal for you from here on out. When 186 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 5: you get into I guess the do or die days. 187 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 5: These are the players that will keep you from winning 188 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 5: or keep you moving towards your goal. So take it 189 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 5: as a lesson and move forward. You're not a victim. 190 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 5: Nothing happened to you. You just lost a football game. 191 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: Also really cool too, when you think about the last 192 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: ot loss that the Rams had, after which they went 193 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: on a six game win streak. Just for those wondering, 194 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: might as well start counting them now. From here to 195 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: taking home the Lombardy would require six more. All right, 196 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: guys to. 197 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 4: Stop. 198 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 2: I know, I look too far down the bath. I apologize. 199 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,719 Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about consistency though, because that's 200 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: another area where I feel like the Rams want to improve, 201 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,839 Speaker 1: specifically in the fourth quarter. Do you feel like there 202 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: is a phase that it really started to show up 203 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: or is there a pattern there for the Rams? 204 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 4: Gosh, I mean, that's a hard one. 205 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:21,439 Speaker 5: I do think You played right into Seattle's advantage right 206 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 5: when it started to snowball, and like you had it. 207 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 4: You you had it for most of the game, and 208 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 4: you took the crowd out of it. 209 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 5: You ran the football, I thought more effectively than what 210 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 5: was on the page. You ran it thirty nine times. 211 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 5: That's a whole lot of people sitting on their hands 212 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 5: hoping they get the ball back. But once it started 213 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 5: to snowball, you could not get the control back. And 214 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 5: that's something I guess you could, you know, attach on 215 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 5: to the fourth quarter and Sam Darnold coming alive. Look, 216 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,839 Speaker 5: I think outside of Kobe Turner, I think you met 217 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 5: you need some more interior pass rush. I think your 218 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 5: edge guys are there. Both guys made the Pro Bowl. 219 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 5: So there's just a few plays here or there that 220 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 5: you wish you could have had back. But for the 221 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 5: most part, I think you have a good group that 222 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 5: can rush, You have a good group that can cover. 223 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,719 Speaker 5: Versus Seattle, this is wild. You can say that might 224 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 5: be the matchup where you would favor the corner, the 225 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 5: Rams corners versus that quarterback. It's not gonna happen that often. 226 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 5: And I thought they played great for the most part. 227 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 5: It's just a few plays here or there that you've 228 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 5: got to tighten up and get off the field. Here's 229 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 5: one that really drove everybody crazy that no one's really 230 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 5: talking about. Remember that third and sixteen play where they 231 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 5: picked up seventeen on a draw. Cannot happen. That stuff 232 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 5: cannot happen. That this defense, this team is much better 233 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 5: than that, But you can't give them free chances. 234 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 4: That was right before the two minute. 235 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 5: If you get the ball back there, you may have 236 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 5: a chance to extend the lead and you know, kill 237 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 5: the Seahawks right there. So those little moments you've got 238 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 5: to be better at. But for the most part, I 239 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 5: think you've got enough to win. 240 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I was gonna say just containing those explosives especially, 241 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 3: I mean, they did a good job of that really 242 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 3: up until the fourth quarter. But like you mentioned, that 243 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 3: drawplay on third and sixteen that went for seventeen, some 244 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 3: of the explosive pass plays like that was probably the 245 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 3: biggest aberration for me in terms of, you know, the consistency, 246 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 3: consistency that they had shown through the game before, you know, 247 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 3: things kind of unrabbled a little bit. 248 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: A little bit of a tough week as well, from 249 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: the top down. Some changes being made in the special 250 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: teams leadership. Chase Blackburn released this week as a special 251 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: teams coordinator and Ben Weika, now the special teams coordinator, 252 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 1: has some history over at Denver, but also history elsewhere. 253 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 4: DeMarco, Yeah, he's a army guy, very discipline. I've talked 254 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 4: to him, I shouk. 255 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 5: I've never really had a conversation with him, but you 256 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:47,239 Speaker 5: can tell the guy walks with a purpose. He intimidates 257 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 5: me from afar, So I mean that can only help 258 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 5: a group like the third phase of this of this 259 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 5: football team. That's like you said, you just lost a 260 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 5: special teams coach. Hopefully that will get everyone's at ten. 261 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 5: But punt return a mess field goal. It is what 262 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 5: it is. It probably had to happen. But from this 263 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 5: point on, you hope with a coaching change, like you said, 264 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 5: there'll be more attention to detail than ever before. And 265 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 5: we went about three weeks without talking about teams that much. 266 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 4: Hopefully we can get back to that, but it is 267 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 4: what it is. 268 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 2: How quick of a response can you see? 269 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 4: Man? 270 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 5: You know I've been part of teams that have fired 271 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 5: coaches mid season, and it does you get that dead 272 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 5: cat bounce. 273 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 4: It really does suck as a player. 274 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 5: And I'll say this, and I'll be candid when your 275 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 5: play gets someone fired, because it's not Chase Blackburn that's kicking. 276 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 4: It's not Chase Blackburn that's covering. That's you, guys. 277 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 5: So at some point as a player, when you realize 278 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 5: that you cost someone their job, maybe you might want 279 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:50,319 Speaker 5: to just focus. 280 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 4: A little bit more. 281 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 5: This week, I hear, regardless of who's at the top, 282 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 5: you know, barking out the orders. 283 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: All right, well let's move to a little bit more positivity. 284 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: The Rams offense to be firing still on all cylinders, 285 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: especially with Matthew Stafford throwing the ball. I mean, this 286 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: guy now over four thousand passing yards, forty touchdowns. I mean, 287 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: it seems as if his MVP worthy year just continues 288 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: to climb. One of the things I noted though, he's 289 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: been phenomenal against the Blitz. Just in the last month alone, 290 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 1: he's had twenty six touchdowns, one interception against the Blitz. 291 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: Blitz eighty seven point one passer grade. The next closest 292 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 1: Caleb Williams with fourteen against the Blitz. And I say 293 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 1: this because Atlanta second highest blitz rate in the NFL 294 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: coming up this week. How much of a difference could 295 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: Stafford be in this one? 296 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 4: I'm gonst stop talking, go ahead, man. 297 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 3: He could be a huge difference maker. I mean, obviously 298 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 3: just because of the MVP level that he's playing at, 299 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 3: but you know, also just the total command that he 300 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 3: has and how open the playbook is for him and 301 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,319 Speaker 3: the play calling head coach and Sean McVay. I mean, 302 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 3: it helps that he's got a run game that's really 303 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 3: supporting him and that opens things up, you know, from 304 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 3: a play action standpoint, which he's also been really great 305 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 3: at this year. But the way he's playing like that, 306 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 3: that's very much going to be a big keap Monday night, 307 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 3: especially if Atlanta sticks with that aggressive approach. 308 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 5: I think I love this stuff in between the plays, 309 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 5: and it's the stuff that goes on between defense and quarterback. 310 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 5: When there is trash talk directed towards him or somebody 311 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 5: else on his team, he is the first to jump 312 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 5: in there and he is not afraid to bark back, 313 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 5: and you've got to respect that. And not only just 314 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 5: bark back, he's coming after you and moving the football, 315 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 5: and then once he makes a play on you, he's 316 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 5: gonna stare you down that stuff. I love when your quarterback, 317 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 5: for all intents and purposes, is the toughest guy on 318 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 5: your roster. Now you may not knock you out, but 319 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 5: he'll knock you out with this, with this pinpoint passing. 320 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 5: And I can't believe we went through half the show 321 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 5: and didn't say Pooka yet. 322 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 2: Well he was just. 323 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: The next one potential offensive player of the year question mark. 324 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 5: Okay, so you guys know I like comic books. Have 325 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 5: you ever seen ghost Rider? This motorcycle do that's riding? 326 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 5: That's on fire. That's what he looked like in Seattle. 327 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 5: I swear every time he caught it across the middle. 328 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 5: And I said this and Isaac and Tory, I love 329 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 5: you guys. I've seen those guys cut up defenses. And 330 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 5: one's in the Hall of Fame, one's about to go 331 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 5: into the Hall of Fame. It's never looked like that. 332 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 5: Most people want to hit Tory and want to hit Isaac. 333 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 5: No one wanted to come close to hitting Puka. I mean, 334 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 5: he was absolutely on fire. So I don't know what 335 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 5: that garners. Hopefully it garners a trophy, which all that matters. 336 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 5: But you know, he is an absolute weapon and he's 337 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 5: on one. That's something you need to feed moving forward. 338 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: Well, DeMarco, I'm glad you mentioned the name Isaac Bruce 339 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: because Pukakua is in very familiar territory with Isaac Bruce 340 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty five plus receiving yards in three 341 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: straight games. The last to do it was Isaac Bruce. 342 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: The only two to do it Nikua and Isaac Bruce, 343 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: and it was all the way back. 344 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety five. That's just how good he's become. 345 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 5: See, this is the difference between the distraction and colorful. 346 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 5: When you play like that, you're colorful. 347 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: Okay, Well, one other area of focus we ought to 348 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:17,239 Speaker 1: talk about Davante Adams. We were without him in a Seattle. 349 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: I've noticed you could feel his absence for me. Obviously 350 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: it was late game, but more so is actually on 351 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: our second and third drive we go what seventy five 352 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: just around eighty plus yards and we walk away with 353 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: two field goals versus not having that red zone threat. 354 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: Where did you see DeVante adams absence and how did 355 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: you feel about knat Momfield stepping in momfield? 356 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 5: I thought is athletic, even his incompletions are like whoa 357 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 5: did you see that? You know, like try that again, 358 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 5: but definitely around the red zone, just everywhere on the field. 359 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 5: Davante's an issue and he's a problem that every defense 360 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 5: must solve. And even on some touchdown passes. And this 361 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 5: is so funny, like going back to when Parkinson caught one. 362 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 5: Instead of going to give high five to Colby Parkinson 363 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 5: who just caught the touchdown, Sean McVay sprinted to DeVante 364 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 5: Adams and said, that was because of you, because the 365 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 5: attention they're giving you that got that guy open. So 366 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 5: not having him on the field advantage anybody else playing 367 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 5: the Rams When he's out there, he's one of the best. 368 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 5: So but I thought, Mumfield, I thought Xavier Smith came 369 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 5: up big. I thought a lot of people came up 370 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 5: big trying to cover up for the fact that you 371 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 5: didn't have Davante. But you would rather have him on 372 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 5: the field than just about anybody else out there. 373 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 3: Well, how about Terrence Ferguson too, And you should have 374 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 3: had what two touchdowns last week? And I thought he 375 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 3: should have pretty well in the red zone too, especially 376 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 3: not having DeVante in that phase. 377 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: Well, let's flip it defensively, A lot of questions just 378 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 1: around pass rush rush are we getting home? Obviously Sam Donald, 379 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: he had been uncomfortable against the Rams. What was your 380 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: grade of the pass rush against Sam Donald? 381 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 5: You know, it's funny, like, okay, So if you look 382 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 5: at who made the Pro Bowl, you got two edge guys. 383 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 5: So how do you get around two guys that could 384 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 5: possibly knock your quarterback down. We'll get the ball out 385 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 5: of your hands as fast as possible. So that was 386 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,360 Speaker 5: their game plan. Run run, run, run, throw the ball 387 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 5: out quick. By the time you're getting to your first 388 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 5: pass rush move, you're in pursuit trying to wear you 389 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 5: down that way. I think the pass rush is there 390 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 5: if you can get them to hold it, or if 391 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 5: you can get them in favorable situations and then get 392 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 5: off the field. Like I said, there's no way any 393 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 5: offense in the world should be able to pick up 394 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 5: a third and sixteen, but they did. That's a defensive error. 395 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 5: But if you do and you rush the passer. I 396 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 5: think this is why I don't think Seattle wanted to 397 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 5: test those edge guys. 398 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 4: I really don't. 399 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 5: I think that Jared Verse is a hammer. It's not 400 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 5: very pretty what he does. It's just very effective, which 401 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 5: is pick your tackle up and throw them into your 402 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 5: quarterback and the other guy is a file at knife. 403 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 5: So yeah, I think the pass rush is there. It's 404 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 5: just that game. Can you get them to hold it 405 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:56,479 Speaker 5: long enough so you can get to them and if not, 406 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 5: you're going to be chasing ghost half the game. 407 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:00,880 Speaker 4: But if you do, I believe you have enough rush 408 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 4: to get. 409 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 3: There, because they were using quite a bit of motion 410 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 3: and misdirection screen passes to really try to beat that 411 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 3: edge pressure. Right like that first drive the screen pass 412 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 3: to Kenth Walker, I think it was right like they're 413 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 3: trying to get the really fast. 414 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 5: I mean, I mean when you turn on the tape, 415 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 5: it's it may not be in the counting stats, you know, 416 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 5: like sacks and pressures, and he's got a ton of those, 417 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,199 Speaker 5: but when you watch Jared Vers go to work on 418 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,360 Speaker 5: a tackle, it's brutal, it really is. And I think 419 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 5: he's knocked three of them out. I'm not kidding, Like 420 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 5: that's how physical it is. And you can only imagine 421 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 5: what that looks like as a quarterback when you're dropping 422 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 5: back to pass. So I think you have enough. I 423 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 5: think the Pro Bowl says it. It's just one of 424 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 5: those things you have to get off the field when 425 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 5: possible so you can save yourself for the fourth quarter. 426 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 1: What about Kobe Turner, I feel like maybe a new 427 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: phase of his game has potentially been unlocked, just his 428 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 1: athleticism dropping back and coming away with that pick versus Seattle. 429 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 2: Have you seen him do something like that before? Azy? 430 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 5: Okay, so I gave Aiden Hutchinson all kinds of props 431 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 5: for catching that that bullet from Matthew Stafford. You've been surpassed. 432 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 5: That's a big fella going backwards right. Oh no, bobble, 433 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 5: let's go yes, sir, big fellows or athletes too. 434 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's having a heck of a year. 435 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: Man. 436 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 4: I cannot believe he didn't get a Pro Bowl nod. 437 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:23,199 Speaker 5: Yeah, he has been fantastic run and pass obviously, and 438 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 5: now you can catch too. 439 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 4: So yeah, what else can you do? Yep? 440 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 1: Uh and five and a half stacks over the last 441 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: five games for Kobe Turner another piece of the defense. 442 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: This one has been missing. The team has gone three 443 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: and two since not having Quentin Lake. I mean, can 444 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 1: it be tomorrow? When is the return of q? Can 445 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 1: we get them back? Because it could be the difference 446 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: maker for the secondary. 447 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 3: Well, last time Sean McVay spoke about q he made 448 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 3: it sound like it was maybe more likely that a 449 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 3: playoff return was in the cards for Quintin. But you know, 450 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 3: we'll see if he says any different, if you know, 451 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 3: when he gets asked about it this week, potentially, But 452 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 3: you know, I think Josh Wallace has done pretty well. 453 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 3: I mean, again, there's no replacing and but as well 454 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 3: as he has played, there's no replacing a Quinton Lake 455 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 3: with the level of preparation he has for every game 456 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 3: and just the level of experience that he has. You know, 457 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 3: you and I have talked about this to Marco, like 458 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 3: the amount of reps that he's gotten over the years 459 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 3: is part of the reason that's made him into the 460 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 3: player he is today. And so whenever that experience does 461 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 3: come back, I think the Rams will very much welcome 462 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 3: it because, again, especially with the versatility he has, being 463 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 3: able to play on the back end, being able to 464 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 3: play at star you know, being able to communicate and 465 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 3: work in tandem with Nate Landman in the middle of 466 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 3: that defense. It's something that I think they've you know, 467 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 3: at times, definitely missed. 468 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 4: Super high football. IQ. 469 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's only going to help one thing for Josh Wallace. 470 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 5: Just run through the line. Just I mean, the Rams scored. 471 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:55,400 Speaker 4: Blake Korm says, thank you all. 472 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 5: Take the rushing touchdown, but run through the line, just 473 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 5: just saying I gotcha. 474 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 1: Let's talk some matchups with the Atlanta Falcons. First and foremost, 475 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:09,159 Speaker 1: how in the world do you contain Bijon Robinson. 476 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 4: Easier said than done. 477 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,439 Speaker 5: Well, look, it's do what you've been doing against the 478 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 5: run for the most part, with the exception of that 479 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 5: last fifty five yarder, which was a great your missile 480 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 5: ligne to begin with and then he hit it. But 481 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 5: for the most part, you've done a great job against 482 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 5: the run. So it's all eleven. Everyone has to do 483 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 5: their job and then pursue like crazy. He's really really good, 484 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 5: but so was McCaffrey, so was Sa Kuan, so was 485 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 5: you know, such and such Jonathan Taylor, so is everybody. 486 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 4: So you have to be in your gaps. 487 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 5: You still have that going for you, and then you 488 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 5: have to make tackles. That's the one thing that drove 489 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 5: me nuts and drives every coach nuts, is when you've 490 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 5: got it dialed up perfect and they break tackles, so 491 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 5: he's one of the best tackle breakers, So you have 492 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 5: to be on your p's and q's. I'm sure the 493 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 5: extra rest is going to help you step to contact. 494 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 5: Not just flounder, but you have to be able to tackle, 495 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 5: but all eleven too. 496 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 4: The ball. 497 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, you think about what Bijon's been able to do 498 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 1: over two thousand scrimmage yards, just the third player in 499 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: Atlanta history to surpass that mark. We have rookies to 500 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: going on both sides with t Ferg and then James Pierce. 501 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: You think about that trade that took place before the draft, 502 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: and James Pierce has come up big. 503 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 2: For them, Big T. 504 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 5: I think he may have the team record for touchdowns 505 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 5: called back Tee Ferg Right, I think he may be close. 506 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 5: He's made some plays and he's only gotten credit for 507 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 5: like half of them. 508 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 4: But you can see the talent there. 509 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 5: You can see what he does to a defense and 510 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 5: when they go thirteen, depending on who you are and 511 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 5: depending on who's hot that day, he's the guy that 512 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 5: could really really change a game plan for you because 513 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 5: there's only so much you can game plan for, and 514 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 5: it may come as soon as Monday night, depending on 515 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 5: who's out there for the Rams, because I'm sure Rahie 516 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 5: Morris is not gonna let Pooka Nakua just run up 517 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:00,959 Speaker 5: and down the field on him. 518 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 4: I'm sure he's going to have something. 519 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 5: And like you said, they're going to be blitz happy 520 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 5: and blitz crazy if you take one part of Seattle's 521 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 5: game plan. This is either by game plan or just 522 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 5: their demeanor was they were trying to put Stafford on 523 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 5: his butt hard. So that would be I guess, akin 524 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 5: to what Rahie Morris is known for, you know, throwing 525 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 5: as many rocks as he can at the quarterback and 526 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 5: see if he can get the knockdowns. So t ferg 527 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 5: on those one on ones, those matchup nightmares. It's got 528 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 5: to become a nightmare on Monday Night. 529 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 3: It's remarkable how many of his catches this season have 530 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 3: gone for over twenty yards. I mean, I'd have to 531 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 3: go back and look, but it feels like he's averaging 532 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 3: something like twenty twenty five yards a catch with the 533 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 3: involvement that he's had. It's pretty telling too. I think 534 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 3: you know, I was looking at the snapcounts from last week. 535 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 3: That was the most he's played in a game to 536 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,919 Speaker 3: this point. Which I think speaks to his growth and 537 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 3: development and how much the coaches trust him at this point. 538 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,719 Speaker 3: You know, obviously when Tyler Higbee was healthy, that was 539 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 3: factoring into I'm sure like his involvement, but and you know, 540 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 3: actually being a red zones target, like we mentioned with 541 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 3: Devonte Adams being you know, unavailable, it's been he's been 542 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 3: really important and he'll be really important again here Monday night. 543 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 1: I think so much familiarity between these two teams. I 544 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 1: mean everywhere you look, whether it's Raheem, you got Zak Robinson, 545 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: also cousins and of course coach McVeigh go all the 546 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: way back as well. How much does that familiarity kind 547 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,400 Speaker 1: of change the connection and preparation. 548 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 2: Does it change it at all? 549 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 5: Well, this is funny. This is as teacher student. So 550 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 5: you would hope that they bought. 551 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 2: Have very fair point, right, You would hope that. 552 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 5: You know, you, you would change your calls because I'm 553 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 5: sure he's going to tell you like if you see 554 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 5: this is going to be that you know, so there's 555 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 5: going to be some carryover on both sides. There'll be 556 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 5: some some plays like I'll give you for instance, I 557 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 5: told you about that Detroit play with Angeloni when he 558 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 5: calls out the screen and then Hutchinson picks it off. 559 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 4: There's going to be. 560 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,439 Speaker 5: Some of that going on where you know where the 561 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 5: ball is going based on what the call was just made. So, uh, 562 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,479 Speaker 5: the thing that it is. It may it may be 563 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 5: a trap, that's the thing, but it's always going to 564 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 5: be fun. But I still think the Rams are the 565 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 5: better football team and if they do bring their a 566 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:14,360 Speaker 5: game like I said, and make the plays at the end, 567 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 5: you should be able to beat Atlanta no matter what 568 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 5: type of game this turns out to be. 569 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: Well, we have our own little chess piece as well, 570 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: right Nate Landman making his return to Atlanta. He played 571 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,439 Speaker 1: his first three seasons there. Now we'll have him with 572 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,360 Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Rams for a handful of years. 573 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:27,679 Speaker 4: There you go. 574 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: It's pretty good, right, absolutely, without question. A couple nods 575 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: to Pro bowlers you already mentioned, two of which Jared 576 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 1: Verse of course, and Byron Young. Jared Verse going two 577 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: of two in his first two seasons. The other two 578 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: Stafford and Nikoa. Feels like no brainers between those two. 579 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,439 Speaker 1: So congratulations to all of the Pro bowlers with the 580 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: Los Angeles Rams, guys, let's close out, the show your 581 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 1: keys to victory. What is it going to take to 582 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,959 Speaker 1: take down the Falcons on Monday Night football? And of 583 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 1: course try start climbing our way back up those higher 584 00:26:58,280 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: seeds in the NFC. 585 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 4: When the balls out, pick it up handed to the ref. 586 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 2: No, I don't think. 587 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 4: Uh, you know what I would. 588 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 5: I'll say, close out games or finished games the way 589 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 5: you start them and play like you've already sees momentum. 590 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 5: I mean that's that's old coach speak, but I think 591 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,360 Speaker 5: it applies right now. So uh, if the defense finishes 592 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 5: like they start, uh, they'll have a better chance to 593 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 5: win in the game. And uh, when you have a 594 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 5: game in hand, and this goes without saying, you can 595 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 5: never relax versus anyone not saying the Rams relax. I 596 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 5: went in the coast mode. But it's never over until 597 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 5: it's over. I think we've learned that less than three 598 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,679 Speaker 5: times this year. So I hope that from this point on, 599 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 5: when you have a chance to knock a team out, 600 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 5: you go ahead and finish him off and finish the 601 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:45,400 Speaker 5: football game. 602 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 3: I was gonna say, I think it comes down to you, 603 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 3: like we talked about it earlier, containing Jon Robinson for 604 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 3: one you you you contain him and and you limit 605 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,160 Speaker 3: that run game that gets you into more known pass 606 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 3: passing downs and situations which a lows the pass rushed off. 607 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 3: And then if you can accomplish those things, you just 608 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,679 Speaker 3: gotta be sticky in coverage to prevent explosives to guys 609 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 3: like Kyle Pitts, Drake London, or even Jon in the 610 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,400 Speaker 3: passing game. But it almost feels a little bit similar 611 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 3: to the Seahawks last week in terms of I think 612 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 3: a similar game plan, at least defensively maybe, and you 613 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 3: should see a win Monday night. 614 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:23,679 Speaker 4: What do you think to market? I'm right there with you. 615 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 4: Pets is scary. He is. 616 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 5: You think his numbers should be better, but he's not 617 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 5: a guy you can just sleep on. And Drake London, 618 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 5: like the name scares you and then the game goes 619 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 5: with it. So another big receiver that can give you 620 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 5: problems if you don't get to the quarterback. 621 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: As a final topic, bar too, you talked about just 622 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: the eagerness you saw from coach mcphay. He also said, 623 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: we want to be aggressive without being reckless. What does 624 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: that look like? How does that show up on Monday 625 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: night football? 626 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 4: Wow? Aggressive without being reckless. How can we put that 627 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 4: into words? 628 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: Is that on the offensive side, is that on the 629 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: defensive side. He was even referring to every phase, even teams. 630 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 5: The first thing that comes to mind is this postgame 631 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 5: press conference. There you go like how not to go 632 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 5: nuts when you want to? But same thing, you know, 633 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 5: you have to play the defense called resist the urge 634 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 5: to gamble and just go play your game and trust 635 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 5: that it's going to be enough, you know what I mean. Yeah, 636 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 5: but every now and then I'll Kobe Turner. Every now 637 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 5: and then you're gonna have to step beyond and step 638 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,239 Speaker 5: it up a notch to you know, to help your 639 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 5: team win. So I think that's what it is, not 640 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 5: violating what the team needs you to be while playing 641 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 5: all out at the same time, if that makes any sense. 642 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 3: I think too about the fourth down mentality over the 643 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 3: last few games especially, I mean, that's been something whether 644 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 3: it's been fourth and short, fourth and five, whatever it 645 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 3: may be, like, that's been such a tone Those have 646 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 3: been such tone setting decisions for the offense, and I 647 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 3: think has had a you know, a ripple effect that 648 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 3: that's something that I could see as like fitting that 649 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 3: bill where it's like being aggressive without being reckless, because 650 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 3: it's clearly paid off for that offense. Paid off for 651 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 3: the offense and help them a ton. 652 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, the Rams are sitting atop the NFL in terms 653 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: of fourth down conversions. To your point, it's definitely been 654 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: a bright spot for them. One last flower to give out. 655 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: Sean McVay currently looking for his one hundredth career when 656 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: it could come Monday Night against the Falcons. And this 657 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: is what's wild. You think of the company he keeps. 658 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: He has not hit forty years old. There have only 659 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 1: been two to get to one hundred career wins, and 660 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: that's including the playoffs under the age of forty. And 661 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: that's Curly Lambeau and George Hallis talk about some great 662 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: company to keep. I mean, Sean fine, number one hundred. 663 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: Let's go celebrate in Sofi Stadium here in just a 664 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: few short days. 665 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 2: How about that? 666 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 4: Unbelievable? 667 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 5: Just two names, like not just names, but like the names, 668 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 5: and here you are. It's hard, like we said, to 669 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 5: recognize greatness when it's in front of you. I bet 670 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 5: all he's thinking about is Monday night. But that's a 671 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 5: hell of a list. 672 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 4: To be on. 673 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: Yep, all right, guys, this has been wonderful. Happy Holidays, 674 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: and happy Holidays to all of you you as well. 675 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: This has been between the Horns presented by your Southern 676 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: California Toyota dealers. We hope you guys have a merry 677 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 1: Christmas and please stay safe you're in Los Angeles, and 678 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: of course root for your Los Angeles Rams come Monday 679 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: night