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Speaker 1: M hm okay. Welcome to the Therapy for Black Girls Podcast,

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Speaker 1: a weekly conversation about mental health, personal development, and all

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Speaker 1: the small decisions we can make to become the best

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Speaker 1: possible versions of ourselves. I'm your host, Dr joy hard

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Speaker 1: and Bradford, a licensed psychologist in Atlanta, Georgia. For more

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Speaker 1: I hope you love listening to and learning from the podcast,

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Speaker 1: it is not meant to be a substitute for relationship

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Speaker 1: with a licensed mental health professional. Hey y'all, thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for joining me for session one of the Therapy

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Speaker 1: for Black Girls Podcast. By now, you've likely heard the

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Speaker 1: jokes about gaining the quarantine fifteen. But what you might

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Speaker 1: not have heard is why jokes and messages like this

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Speaker 1: can be harmful. So today we're gonna chat about it.

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Speaker 1: For this conversation, I was joined by Dr Gail Brooks.

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Speaker 1: Dr Brooks is Vice President and Chief Clinical Officer for

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Speaker 1: the Room Crew Center. She leaves the Room Crew Clinical

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Speaker 1: Excellence Board and the Clinical Training Department, and has clinical

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Speaker 1: and administrative oversight responsibility for Renfrew's residential facility in Florida

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Speaker 1: and for the non residential sites in California, Florida, Georgia, Illinois,

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Speaker 1: North Carolina, and Tennessee. For the past thirty years, she's

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Speaker 1: treated patients from diverse backgrounds who suffer from eating disorders.

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Speaker 1: Dr Brookes served as the eating disorder specialists in the

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Speaker 1: HBO film Thin, has appeared on Good Morning America and

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Speaker 1: has been featured in a variety of notable publications. A

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Speaker 1: frequent presenter at conferences and workshops, Dr Brooks speaks on

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Speaker 1: topics such as the treatment of the complex patient eating

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Speaker 1: disorders and cultural diversity, the interplay between eating disorders and trauma,

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Speaker 1: and eating disorders in midlife women. Dr Brooks is a

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Speaker 1: Disorders Diversity Special Interest Group. Dr Brooks and I discussed

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Speaker 1: the link between trauma and eating disorders, why there's been

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Speaker 1: a spike in disordered eating during the pandemic, how to

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Speaker 1: recognize if your relationship with food has become unhealthy, and

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Speaker 1: the role that social media plays in eating disorders. If

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Speaker 1: you notice something that resonates with you while enjoying our conversation.

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Speaker 1: TBG in session. Here's our conversation. So muld be so

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Speaker 1: much for joining us today, Dr Brooks, Oh, thank you

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Speaker 1: for having me. It's great to be here. Yes, I'm

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Speaker 1: very pleased to have you joined us today because I

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Speaker 1: know we have been hearing lots and lots of you know,

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Speaker 1: jokes that aren't actually funny. I'm about like the quarantine fifteen,

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Speaker 1: and you know, people thinking about their bodies a lot,

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Speaker 1: and we know a lot of our like self care

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Speaker 1: of those things have been upended, and so it feels

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Speaker 1: like there's just a lot more attention maybe than usual

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Speaker 1: around like eating and body image. And so I'm glad

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Speaker 1: that you were able to join us today for this conversation. Yes, well,

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Speaker 1: you're so right. I think all of those things that

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Speaker 1: eating disorders, I think are are really struggling right now. Absolutely. So.

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Speaker 1: I know that the National Eating Disorder Association's instant messaging

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Speaker 1: since the pandemic begin and I know that they're is

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Speaker 1: I wanted to hear if you could talk a little

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Speaker 1: triggered for people right now. Yeah. Well, I think in

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Speaker 1: so many ways, we're probably all being triggered by the

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Speaker 1: crisis that we're in. You know. I think the fact

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Speaker 1: depression and anxiety, as well as other types of mental

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Speaker 1: health conditions like eating disorders, disordered eating and even body

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Speaker 1: image dissatisfaction are really on the rise over the last

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Speaker 1: You can feel very out of control, and just the

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Speaker 1: uncertainty of life I think can really impact an individual

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Speaker 1: this you know, understandably often times skills results and some

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Speaker 1: misconceptions is that eating disorders only happen to young people, right,

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Speaker 1: how eating disorders develop? Yeah, you know, I think for

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Speaker 1: to feel the bad emotions, but in reality, whole emotions

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Speaker 1: we gain and messages about that on social media and

434
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 1: comparing individuals and whatnot is really rampant. I think it's

435
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 1: understandable that we're going to see a lot of people

436
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 1: be really traumatized by this and feel a lot of

437
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 1: self hatred, a lot of distress around their own bodies,

438
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 1: and not being able to be in an accepting mode

439
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,959
Speaker 1: that these are unusual times and that we have to

440
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 1: take care of ourselves and be able to accept ourselves.

441
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 1: You know, when you're home balancing kids and work and

442
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 1: you know, trying to get a meal on the table,

443
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: or you may be turning to very quick things to

444
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 1: satisfy everybody, and that that may have an impact on

445
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 1: on things, but it doesn't mean that you've failed or

446
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:54,360
Speaker 1: that something's wrong, or that somehow you're you're inadequate. Yeah,

447
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,239
Speaker 1: and I think that there isn't also the awareness of

448
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 1: just how our bodies respond in a stressful situation, right,

449
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: you know, so there may be the tendency to hold

450
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 1: on to weight because we are like preparing for battle

451
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 1: almost in some ways. Exactly. Well, that's one of the

452
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 1: things when we look at eating disorders among black people

453
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 1: and people of colors that you know, there's there's been

454
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 1: so much focus on obesity being about what you eat,

455
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 1: you know, and you know, I think clearly what we're

456
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: coming to understand is that, you know, it's not about

457
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 1: the fried chicken, It's about the stress, and that stress

458
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 1: really has much more an impact on how a person,

459
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:37,400
Speaker 1: you know, the impact physiologically on an individual that may

460
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 1: result in them gaining weight and that sort of thing. So,

461
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: you know, I think we need to understand that the

462
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 1: stress itself is gonna be very impactful on both our

463
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 1: behaviors and on how our bodies respond. So what tips

464
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 1: do you have, Dr Brooks for people who may be

465
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: struggling with disordered eating and seeing like the memes and

466
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 1: things shared on social media with tips would you have

467
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: for them for how to maybe protect themselves or you know,

468
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 1: to manage some of that. Yeah, well, you know this

469
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: is coming from somebody here sort of refuses to be

470
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,479
Speaker 1: on social media for the most part. So I do

471
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 1: sort of put that out there, but I think it's

472
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: it's really important to reduce it down. You know. I

473
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 1: think when you're looking at something, if you're finding yourself

474
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:26,679
Speaker 1: going through your feed and feeling that it's time to

475
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: get off, it's time to either you know, mute those

476
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 1: people that may be putting things out there that are

477
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: really triggering shame inside of you and and a lot

478
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: of negative self talk that you don't need, that that's

479
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,120
Speaker 1: not helpful, and so I think to be able to

480
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:47,120
Speaker 1: to really just say no, turn it off. The other

481
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: thing I think is really thinking about any time that

482
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,719
Speaker 1: we're going through a lot of stress, that what we

483
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: need more than anything is self care, that that's really

484
00:26:56,359 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 1: what the body is creating, is something that is going

485
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: to feel as if you are you know, listening to

486
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: what your body is needing in the moment, and that

487
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 1: maybe everything from what you eat in terms of what

488
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 1: your body is kind of wanting in this moment to

489
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 1: what you need in terms of being able to get

490
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 1: some relaxation, get some you know, sometimes it's getting out

491
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: and just getting some fresh air, being able to engage

492
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: in joyful activity, you know, which is not the same

493
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 1: thing as going out and running in the heat and

494
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: sweating and all of that, but really doing something where

495
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: your body actually feels good in the moment while you're

496
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 1: doing it, that you know, that can be very very

497
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: important as well. I think finding connection is so important

498
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: during this time, um that if you are finding yourself

499
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: really not connected with friends and colleagues, you know, even

500
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: though zoom is not the same as being there. It

501
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 1: is better than sitting in your own isolation and in

502
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: your own boredom. And so I think to intentionally put

503
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: those moments in your schedule where you're staying connected um

504
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: is very very important. And I also think just being

505
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: able to think about what what you value, what's important

506
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: to you, what you feel grateful about in your life too,

507
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: sort of be in the moment that you're in right now,

508
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 1: as opposed to maybe stressing out about the future or

509
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: you know, dwelling on what you didn't do and dwelling

510
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: in the past. But to really find some mindful moments

511
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 1: and the mindful practice I think can really take you

512
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: a long way. Yeah. Those are great. It was Dr Brooks,

513
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah. So I think something else that is

514
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: happening on social media, and I think particularly on platforms

515
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: like Instagram and sick time because there are more visual platforms.

516
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: And I know you said you're not really on social

517
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: but I'm sure you know because of your work what

518
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: these are, all right, And it feels like they're tends

519
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: to be lots of like videos are like beautiful pictures

520
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: of food right in and in some ways, you know,

521
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: it feels like people are sharing tips for like how

522
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: to be healthy and like this is how you can

523
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: make you know, these vegetables interesting, and you might not

524
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: have thought about it that way, right, And so it

525
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: feels like there's a fine line between like what kinds

526
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: of things could be helpful on social media and what

527
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: kinds of things Like there's a TikTok hashtag that we

528
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: found that talked about like what I ate today, right

529
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: where people are kind of sharing, you know, like they

530
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: may eat like a handful of raspberries or something, you know,

531
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: kind of thing, right, And so it feels like there

532
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: is a very fine line between what can be helpful

533
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: and what can be harmful. Yeah, you're you're right. And

534
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: I think that so much of of those extremes are

535
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: out there um for individuals to get sort of caught

536
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: up in. You know, I think it's probably better too,

537
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: in some ways sort of step out of it if

538
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: you can, because you don't know if you're going to

539
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: be necessarily the person that's going to get so kind

540
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: of preoccupied with it that it becomes more destructive to

541
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 1: you rather than than helpful. I think that there's a

542
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: lot of moralistic sort of attitude out there that if

543
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: you can eat this particular way, or if you can

544
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: do this particular exercise program daily and then put it online,

545
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: and that sort of thing, that that somehow that makes

546
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: you a better person. And I think that that kind

547
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: of thinking is really destructive, you know that we start

548
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: to think that somehow, how we look what our weight

549
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: is is going to have us feel differently inside. And

550
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: the reality is if that's really not true. You know

551
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: that if the thought is that if I lose weight,

552
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: I'm going to be you know, more confident, you know, well,

553
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: you know that doesn't wait in confidence really don't have

554
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: anything to do with one another. And if you ask yourself,

555
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: you know, how, how would you be if you were confident?

556
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: What would that look like? Those behaviors are really what

557
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: are important? Thing? How do I want to be behaving

558
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: in a way that is more in line with my

559
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: values for myself and that has nothing to do with

560
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: body sides, you know, And so just beginning to sort

561
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: of think more about sort of the deeper values that

562
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: you have rather than hanging so much on weight and

563
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: body image, which is really driven by I think our

564
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: societal messages that are that are really not healthy. M M. Yeah,

565
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: So before we started recording. Dr Brick, you and I

566
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: were talking a little bit about, um, just the the

567
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: reliance on Zoom and other video platforms that we have

568
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: now and how that is impacting our body imagined. That

569
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: is not something I had thought about. UM, So I'd

570
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: love to hear you talk a little bit more about,

571
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: like how you're seeing that show up first in terms

572
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: of just how I think it affects us, whether you

573
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: haven't eating disorder or not. I think being in a

574
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: interaction with someone where you are just basically staring at

575
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: their face, you know, you're not you know, when we're

576
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: in the room with one another, you look all around,

577
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: You're not so concentrated on looking at the other person

578
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: and having the other person look at you. And I

579
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: think that that can create in us. And I think

580
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: about for myself even this sense of oh my god,

581
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,239
Speaker 1: what are they seeing on camera? You know, and then

582
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: you can sort of see yourself on camera, and I

583
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: think that sort of discomfort that comes with it. I

584
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: find myself sort of looking at the gray hairs and thinking, oh,

585
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: my goodness, I should have done something about that. And

586
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: you know that it can be a real preoccupation we

587
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: find with some of our pictures that we treat that

588
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: really struggle with an eating disorder. One of the things

589
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: that they have a hard time with is being seeing

590
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: themselves on camera and being very preoccupied with sort of

591
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: pointing out in themselves all the flaws that they see,

592
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: and they're worrying about what other people are seeing in

593
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: them and whatnot. So, you know, one of the things

594
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: that we do, we do ask our individuals that are

595
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: sort of going to be on camera is to take

596
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: your picture off so that you're not constantly looking at

597
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: yourself and trying to sort of evaluate how you're looking,

598
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: you know. So, so I think it's it's just we

599
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: have to understand that this new way of being with

600
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: each other can sort of bring up anxieties that you know,

601
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: maybe weren't there quite as significantly before. Mm hmm. Yeah,

602
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: not to mention with you know how many of our

603
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,239
Speaker 1: grouping practices have been shut down, right, so people are

604
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: not able to get their brows in and all of

605
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: these things. So it definitely makes you attend to things

606
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: that you maybe wouldn't normally. M Yeah, for sure. So

607
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: do you have some favorite tips for how people can

608
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: begin to practice body positivity? Dr books? You know what

609
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: I think one of the first steps, even before you

610
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: get to body positivity, is just some body acceptance, okay,

611
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: because you know we we come in all shapes and sizes,

612
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: and you know, being able to sort of be in

613
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: your body and just have some sense of it being

614
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: all the things that your body really does do for you.

615
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: You know, it keeps you upright, it gets you here

616
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: to there, it you know, keeps you breathing every day.

617
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: I mean, your your body does a tremendous amount. And

618
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 1: if you're not sort of embracing and having some appreciation

619
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: for that body that, you know, I think you really

620
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: put yourself at war with yourself and then really I

621
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: think you can really affect your health in some ways.

622
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: So I really being able to look at yourself. You

623
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 1: know that that part of treatment can be this sort

624
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: of exposure work that we do with individuals, which we

625
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: asked them to just be able to look at their

626
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: body and sort of describe it in neutral terms. You know,

627
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: not good, bad, you know, ugly pretty, you know, but

628
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: just this is this is what my body is. And

629
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: being able to be with that and to accept it

630
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 1: is I think that the greatest gift we might you

631
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: might not ever be able to get to, oh boy,

632
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,720
Speaker 1: I love my this or I love my that, because

633
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: that may not be what you sort of feel in

634
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: the moment, But can you except that your body has

635
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 1: value and that it is important to you, and that

636
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: it is worth taken care of and and appreciating. I

637
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: think that that's really the where we need to try

638
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: to get to, so not even as much body positivity

639
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: as body acceptance and really just appreciating our body for

640
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: what it can do for us. Yeah. Yeah, Sometimes people

641
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: work on affirmations, you know, being able to say positive

642
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: things about their body, but oftentimes even if you're saying

643
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,760
Speaker 1: it inside your head, you're kind of saying other stuff yourself,

644
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: you know. And so I think just to be able

645
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 1: to look at the you know, so after I take

646
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: a shower, I stand here kind of look at myself.

647
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: There's some roles, Yes, there's you know, there's what it is,

648
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: what it is, And I think to be able to

649
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: have an appreciation for that rather than the negatives, you know,

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Speaker 1: sort of noticing the negative self talk that comes into

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Speaker 1: your head and if you can just sort of let that,

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Speaker 1: let that go, just kind of okay, I don't have

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Speaker 1: to dwell on this I don't have to feed it

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Speaker 1: in my head right now. And the more you do that,

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Speaker 1: I think you'll find is that you need You may

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Speaker 1: notice some shifting and how much you are sort of

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Speaker 1: detegrating yourself when you when you look at yourself. Mm hmmm.

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Speaker 1: So do you have some favorite resources that you typically

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Speaker 1: like to share for people who maybe want to learn

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Speaker 1: more or you know, need some assistance in this area. Yeah, Well,

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Speaker 1: for those individuals who are struggling with eating disorders right

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Speaker 1: now during this time, there is you know, I'm not

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Speaker 1: down on all social media, but there is an instagram

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Speaker 1: I think of COVID nineteen Eating Support. At COVID nineteen

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Speaker 1: Eating Support, which eating disorder professionals from around the world

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Speaker 1: are providing eating support to individuals who are struggling with

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Speaker 1: with their eating disorder seven. So if you're having a

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Speaker 1: meal and you need some support, you can tune into

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Speaker 1: this and there will be someone there that can help

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Speaker 1: with you know, sort of how you're feeling in the

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Speaker 1: moment and to sort of get you through. So, I

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Speaker 1: know that's been something that a lot of people in

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Speaker 1: the eating disorder field patients have used that I think

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Speaker 1: it's been very helpful there's a lot of information. There's

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Speaker 1: a organization called NIDA, the Nationally Eating Disorder Association. They

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Speaker 1: have a lot of information for anyone that may be

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Speaker 1: struggling with an eating disorder. Also, there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: information for anyone who knows of somebody with an eating

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Speaker 1: disorder that may be struggling like it maybe a family

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Speaker 1: member or you know, a friend or whatever, and just

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Speaker 1: how do I deal with this? What do I do

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Speaker 1: to help um? There's a lot of information around that.

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Speaker 1: And also I think a lot of good information around

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Speaker 1: just if you're having you know, disordered eating or just

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Speaker 1: some problematic eating it doesn't necessarily have to be eating

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Speaker 1: disorder that there's a lot of good resources there as well.

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Speaker 1: People can certainly go onto the Renfrew website, the Renfro

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Speaker 1: Center website for center dot com, we have a resource

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Speaker 1: page that has resources and from lots of different areas

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Speaker 1: for teens, for families, for individuals from special populations, if

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Speaker 1: you're a person of color, also looking at professional resources

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Speaker 1: that are there as well. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: all of that, doctor folks. I really appreciate the wealth

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Speaker 1: of information you share Today. You're welcome and skreat talking

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Speaker 1: with you. Thank you. I'm so glad Dr Brooks was

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Speaker 1: able to join us this week. Don't forget to visit

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