1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs two, ghosts and government cover ups, histories writted 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:08,319 Speaker 1: with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn 3 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: the stuff they don't want you to now. Hello, welcome 4 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: back to the show. My name is Matt and I'm 5 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 1: Ben and I don't want to die. I'm just gonna 6 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: put that out there, Ben cool, I can respect that. Yeah, yeah, 7 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: you see, you see where I'm going. You just I 8 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,479 Speaker 1: really don't want to die. Yeah. I don't want to 9 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: die either. There are quite a few people who have 10 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 1: quarreled with the idea of death recently in the news. 11 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 1: And when I say the idea of death, what I 12 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: mean specifically is there are quite a few people who 13 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: have said, you know, immortality may be attainable within our lifetimes. Uh. 14 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: The Guardian a while back published a sort of timeline 15 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: estimation that was very optimistic and said that by twenty 16 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: fifty immortality of some sort would be within the grasp 17 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 1: of human beings. Man. That is I just wanted to 18 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: be true. So before we continue with this, today's episode, 19 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: by the way, is the future of death and Matt, 20 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: you and I have explored this concept in all sorts 21 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: of ways, right, Yeah, just looking at over the span 22 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: of history. How how hard we have struggled to conquered death, 23 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 1: and in so many, so many different ways we try 24 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: to conquer death by making you know, entire religions, you know, beliefs, 25 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 1: structures to conquer death. Sure, we're building legacies. Yeah, oh yeah, 26 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: there's so many ways that we've attempted to do it. 27 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: But so far, at least that we're aware of, no 28 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: one has been successful. Yeah. At this point, there has 29 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: not been a single universally accepted account of someone communicating 30 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: from after death right or turning after death. Now, of course, 31 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: their entire belief systems built around that, and there are 32 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 1: countless personal anecdotes of things like encounters with ghosts, right 33 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: or reincarnation. Um. You can find some very disturbing and 34 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: fascinating quotations from children who allegedly say things that indicate 35 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 1: they had died. One of my favorites was in this list. 36 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: I saw recently. A little girl was hanging out and 37 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: talking with their family or something about being in a car, 38 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: being in some situations she had never been in, and 39 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: they said, oh, what happened that day? Oh, we were 40 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: in the car and there was a fire. Uh, mommy 41 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: and my dad were fined, but I sure wasn't or 42 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: something like that. You know, I have a cousin who 43 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: swears that she was a Chinese man in her previous life, 44 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: and she can recount, Well, you can sit there and 45 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 1: listen to her tell you stories, stories and storad stories 46 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: about her life, about her wife, about her children, and 47 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: all this stuff. It's interesting. It's fascinating me since I 48 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: was a kid. She would tell me stories when she 49 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 1: was when I was younger. And you guys haven't corroborated 50 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: it yet. No, not yet. I haven't found the evidence 51 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: break the illusion if there is an illusion. Um reincarnation 52 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: is a fascinating topic all its own, and there's some 53 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: really excellent pieces of research and anecdotes and legends that 54 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 1: we can bring to bear on that. I think we'll 55 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: call it a story for another day. As long as 56 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: we live through this podcast without dying, we would like 57 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: to present to you guys the future of death. Now, 58 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,119 Speaker 1: I'm just terrified that I'm gonna just croak right here 59 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: on this mic. So what is death then in the 60 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: time of that? Okay, so death would be when you're vital. Well, 61 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: there are a couple of things, but the first one 62 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: is when your vital cell functions ceases to a her. Okay, 63 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: so like physical physical death death of the body. Yes, absolutely, 64 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: and and that includes physical death of the brain brain 65 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: activity when that ceases. Oh okay, all right, so that 66 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: would be that would be something where you just sort 67 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: of become a lump of material. So there's no there's 68 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: no vital functions, no electrical activity in the brain. Uh, 69 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 1: no heartbeat, cardiac activity, none of that. Yes, and very 70 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: soon after that happens, your cells start to break down. Um, 71 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: and you can you can you can kind of look 72 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: at that process to verify that death has occurred. Ah, yes, okay, 73 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: so we do have physical proof of what happens to 74 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: the body after death. There is a second definition of 75 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: death which comes to us from Harvard's medical Harvard's medical elite, 76 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: uh some time ago, a few decades back, and they 77 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 1: talked about the concept up of brain death. Now this 78 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 1: might be a part listeners where you say, hang on, 79 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: didn't you guys just talk about brain death sort of? 80 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 1: But here's the big difference. Brain death is um maybe 81 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: recognized as a persistent, persistent vegetative state. Right, So this 82 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 1: means that your body cells are still able to function, 83 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 1: usually with some sort of assistance. Respirator, that's the most 84 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: common thing you'll see to a respirator, but intravenous fluids, 85 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: stuff like that. But the brain death is called this 86 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: because there is a cessation of conscious brain activity. So 87 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: we know a little bit about the brain, we being scientists, 88 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: such that we know that the four forward facing part 89 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 1: of the brain is where a lot of the who 90 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: am I kind of things occur in your head. And 91 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: when that stuff stops, we have a whole new definition 92 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: of death because we have the body but not the mind. 93 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: We have the form but not the function. So we 94 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 1: know then that the body with some assistance can continue 95 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: after the after the end of the observable consciousness. However, 96 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: we don't know if the reverse is true. And with these, 97 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: with these two definitions of death, we also know a 98 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: lot about to paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld, we know a lot 99 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 1: of what we don't know. Yeah, yeah, there, So okay, 100 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: The big question is what happens then after that occurs 101 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 1: when our brain just when we don't know that we 102 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 1: are anymore, like we don't know that we exist anymore, 103 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: um and our body perhaps is still functioning in some way. 104 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: But if you took the respirators off, if you took 105 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: all the machinery away, then the body would probably in 106 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: many cases begin to die. But what happens to you, 107 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 1: the person I'm speaking to you right now, that's hearing 108 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: this in your ears? What happens to you when you die? 109 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: And hearing lies the biggest question? Perhaps we've talked about 110 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: this before, Ben, this is perhaps the biggest question out there. Yeah, 111 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: this is the UH. This is the great daily double 112 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: or final answer situation in human existence. Because we know 113 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: that there are literally thousands, So that's low balling it, 114 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: like literally thousands of ideas of what happens post death. UH. 115 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: Atheists may say that, of course there is no um, 116 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: there's no real consciousness. That's just sort of an illusion 117 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: produced by biochemical reactions in our brains. UH. There will 118 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: be people of various different spiritual bens who say that 119 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: there is a very specific choice of afterlife, or that 120 00:07:54,160 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: the mind is somehow recycled into another person, be a reincarnation. Uh. 121 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: But but the big problem then is that we currently 122 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 1: and have never to this date, found a way to 123 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: measure what happens, or to measure consciousness after death, or 124 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: to measure you know there there's no way to um 125 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: to look at it. You can't look at it with 126 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: a microscope, you can't look at it with any kind 127 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: of imaging. If there is something that persists after death 128 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: outside of the physical body, we haven't found a way 129 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: yet at least. Yeah, that's a very good point. We 130 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: being unable to really measure quantify consciousness independent of a 131 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 1: physical medium. Uh we have we don't have the tools 132 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 1: to figure out what we're trying to measure. You know, 133 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 1: if we assume then that consciousness, as we understand it, 134 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: is some sort of energy, then that gets us to 135 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: a better place, but that doesn't get us yet to 136 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 1: a place where we can we can measure this. Most 137 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: of the things we know about consciousness that are quantifiable 138 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: are based on our understanding of the way the conscious 139 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: mind relates to a physical medium, and once those two 140 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: are divorced on during the process of death, then we 141 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 1: don't have any way to track it. So one of 142 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: the most pragmatic things that I've personally heard about it 143 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: is that it is as brash to assume that there 144 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: is no continuation as it is to assume that there is. 145 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: There's literally no information. I'd like to take a second 146 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: as a total sidebar and mention one of the driest 147 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: books that I have ever read. And I'm saying a 148 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: lot because I read a lot of dry books. Um So, 149 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,839 Speaker 1: this book, which we could fairly call a tome called 150 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: The Denial of Death, is about something called fanatology, and 151 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: that's the study of death. The premise of the book, 152 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 1: let me save you some reading time, as spoiler alert, 153 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: is simply this that the human fear of the unknown 154 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: events called death is so pervasive that everything we do 155 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: in life, all the human institutions and constructions, are merely 156 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: at basis, a way of distracting ourselves from the inescapable 157 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: and terrifying fact that one day we will be no more. Wow, 158 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: the great bleakness, I know, man, only philosophers can manage 159 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: that level of weakness. But we do know, of course 160 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: that death is in addition to a horrifying philosophical quandary, 161 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: it's also part of the nature of existence on this planet. 162 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: For almost every life form, death is programmed in our genes. 163 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,439 Speaker 1: And we we know a little bit about the science 164 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,959 Speaker 1: of this. We're learning more and more every day. Right. 165 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, So all of the cells that make up 166 00:10:55,960 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: your body. Yeah, they have this basically a timeline that 167 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: they can divide a certain amount of times. I don't 168 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: know exactly how many that is. But once they've reached 169 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: their limit, they die, they cease that they cease to function, right, well, 170 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: they enter a non dividing state, right, and this is 171 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: replicative senescence. Um. Senescence is aging rights. So they age 172 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: out of their reproductive period of their life, just the 173 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: same way that as human beings, the great conglomerations of 174 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: cells that we are will ultimately age to a point 175 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: where we cannot reproduce. So there's a lot of research 176 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: currently on something called telomere shortening telomy's shortening, which scientists 177 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: believe maybe the molecular clock that triggers this aging. And 178 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: the idea here is kind of exciting because it makes 179 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 1: us think, well, if we could prevent these things from 180 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: shortening on every cell division, then perhaps we could create 181 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: a situation in which a cell continually divides, yeah, or 182 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: at least elongate it to an extent where we're living 183 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: at twice as many years as we normally would, maybe 184 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: five times as many years, if not, you know, infinitely, 185 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: which is in itself a terrifying thought. Immortality is another 186 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: one of those um great curses and what a power 187 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: and a curse? Or yeah, more millennium mo problems. So 188 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: that's a great segue, Matt. So immortality, what what the 189 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: hell is immortality? Well it's a okay, So immortality bend 190 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: is when either the mind or the body continuous on 191 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 1: with its vital functions for an indefinite period, which could 192 00:12:56,360 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: be you know, a very long period or just forever. Okay, 193 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: I see, And then we're we're verging on some questions 194 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 1: that will will hear up towards the end of this 195 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: podcast too, So let's stick with the facts that the 196 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: first part, it sounds like there are different types of 197 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: immortality from from that definition. Uh number one, let's just 198 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 1: address the biggest elephant in the room of this debate, 199 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: and that is physical immortality. The idea that you could 200 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 1: answer the question in that Queen song and say yes, 201 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: I want to live forever. Um. Turns out that you 202 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: wouldn't be the first. There are versions of physical immortality 203 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: that we have observed in your lifetime listeners, in Matt's lifetime, 204 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 1: in my lifetime. They're real immortals, Um. But as we're 205 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: gonna find out, they don't all have the nice kind 206 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: of immortality you would want. All of the immortality that 207 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: we're about to talk about in the in the physical sense, 208 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: has some pretty hefty strings attached. There's a catch, and 209 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: there's a catch. In the case of a little jellyfish 210 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: called to Autopsis or Tatopsis um, you can be an 211 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: immortal in a cyclical way. So this is a very 212 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: interesting tiny little creature has its juvenile state and it 213 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: grows to maturity, and if something happens to it, if 214 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: it is injured or traumatized, then it will return to 215 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: it's juvenile state and grow up again. So that's a 216 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: weird version of immortality because what that means for you 217 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: and I'm at is, for instance, if we underwent a 218 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: traumatic physical event, if our podcast studio caught on fire 219 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: and you had you know, five percent of your body burned, 220 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: then instead of die Jane or slowly recuperating in a 221 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: burn ward you would turn into a baby and you 222 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: would grow up again. Wow, and who knows if you 223 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: would have the same memories, because again this is something 224 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: that happens jellyfish, which have a very very different structure. Okay, 225 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: so speaking of retaining memories, say, say you like that idea, 226 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: but you want to retain your memories definitely, Well, you 227 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: could go the way of the planarian or the flat worm. 228 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: These things are fascinating. You can cut off a piece 229 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: of a planarian and it will regrow the little piece. 230 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: Both of them will regrow, but the little piece will 231 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: become another flatworm, and it will retain all of the um, 232 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: the information from the parent, from the one the part 233 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: that got chopped off. And so in this sense you 234 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: could have mortality, and that you could make infinite copies 235 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: of yourself um at least learning from one state, and 236 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: live forever that way, if you really wanted so, you 237 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: could cut yourself in half and then two of you 238 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: could continue and then just keep cutting. Yeah. Wow, Yeah, 239 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: it's a weird form of cloning. Yeah, which is a 240 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: weird form of immortality. UM multiplicity jokes could go in 241 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: here right to us if you have one. But that 242 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: is not the end of it. The true frightening facts 243 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: about physical immortality is that there is a human being 244 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: who has achieved immortality with an asterisk and one of 245 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: the crappiest, most cruel and unfair uh situations in medical history. Really, 246 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: her name is Henrietta Lacks, and we did a full 247 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: episode on her, and I urge you to check it out. 248 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: It's a fascinating um and pretty horrifying story. So Henrietta 249 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: Lacks had cancer, and when her cancer was discovered, without 250 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: her knowledge, her treating physicians took some of these cancer cells, 251 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: and Henrietta Lacks, the human being Henrietta Lacks passed away. 252 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: Her cancer cells, now known as HeLa cancer cells, continue today. 253 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: They're still alive. They don't seem to behave the way 254 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,719 Speaker 1: that human cells should, of course, because they are cancers cells. 255 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: But in a very strange way, this is sort of immortality. 256 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: And not only is this immortality, but if we look 257 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:41,160 Speaker 1: at the philosophical ideas of immortality, this is a legacy 258 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: because the use of these cells as a revolutionized modern medicine. 259 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: Of course, her estate and her survivors were We're screwed. 260 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: There's no other way to put it. As a gross 261 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: violation of medical ethics. It reminds me in some ways 262 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: of the gross violation of that they's done by the 263 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 1: Japanese and the Nazis, and admittedly the United States at 264 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: various times in the history of experimentation. Yes, I can't 265 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: urge you enough to go and watch that video. So 266 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: here's another thing. Then if I let's say, let's say 267 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: one of my kidneys is failing and I need to 268 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: get another one, um because the other one isn't doing 269 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 1: so well either, and you volunteer to give me your kidney, 270 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: all right, and the transplant goes swimmingly. Everything seems to 271 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 1: be running pretty well. You're doing all right with your 272 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:40,199 Speaker 1: one kidney. But then you tragically get in in a 273 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:44,719 Speaker 1: car accident and you die. But your organs still exists 274 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: inside me, along with your cells that are being reproduced. 275 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 1: So am I still in some way alive? I don't 276 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 1: know what do you think I would say, because it's 277 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: not a brain transplant. Not However, however, we do know 278 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: that this, the concept of organ transplants, has caused a 279 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 1: huge uproar in a lot of religious circles because there 280 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: is a question of you know, the identity of someone, um, 281 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:20,239 Speaker 1: the especially for people who have strict laws about what 282 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: is um kosher or what is halal? You know, um, 283 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 1: what can what is unclean to be put in your body? 284 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 1: If it could someone from a different religion have that. 285 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: Interesting Now, as far as I know, those rulings, the 286 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: religious council rulings on those sorts of things very widely, 287 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 1: not just across religions, but within um, within denominations or 288 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: facets of those religions. And we know that that would 289 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: not necessarily be immortality so much as extending a little 290 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: bit of your lifespan. Yeah, it's similar to the Henry 291 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: Henrietta Lax thing, where it's the cells but it is 292 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: not you. Right, Yeah, very good point. And of course, 293 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: none of these methods that we just described, jellyfish, plenari in, 294 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: Henrietta lax, even Oregon transplants, none of these are the 295 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 1: ideal version of immortality. Because most people, when we think 296 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 1: about living forever, we picture something kind of along the 297 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 1: lines of Dorian Gray. You know. Um. Dorian Gray, as 298 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:34,360 Speaker 1: most people will recall, is a famous story by Oscar 299 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: Wilde about this guy who is just a total dick. 300 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 1: He's a jerk, he's a douche bag. But he never ages, 301 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:44,880 Speaker 1: he never has, he's never out of shape, he never 302 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 1: has to misbehave because he has a magic painting in 303 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: his attic, and this painting registers the ravages of time. 304 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: Uh and also the inner um, the inner evil of 305 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: his personality as he has increasingly depraved and bad things. 306 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: But most people picture this sort of in the prime 307 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: of life, unaging forever, because well, yeah, that's the that's 308 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: the dream, I guess, that's the ideal version of immortality, 309 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,439 Speaker 1: to be young forever and just do all of the 310 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: things you've ever wanted to do. And that has to 311 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: do with not necessarily it has to do with keeping 312 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 1: your body alive forever, but mostly it has to do 313 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: with keeping your conscious mind alive to be aware forever 314 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: you are something. Yeah, that's a big part of it too, because, 315 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: as as we'll see, mental immortality might not just be 316 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: more desirable, but also more plausible, And within our lifetimes, 317 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: mental immortality is becoming increasingly plausible every single year. We're 318 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,919 Speaker 1: already so far ahead of what we were doing in 319 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: two thousand twelve, two thousand one. Uh, just just by 320 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: virtue of ongoing research. Um. But there are different types 321 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: of mental immortality that that are all a little closely related. Um. 322 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: But what what's the first one? So it's essentially a 323 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:26,239 Speaker 1: virtual impression of someone, like of their personality. UM. So 324 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: it's kind of like a really high definition, high fidelity 325 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: recording of you that is not you. It's just the 326 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,679 Speaker 1: way you might act. That kind of exists in a 327 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: cloud or in the cloud as bits of data somewhere 328 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: of how you would react to certain things, what you like, 329 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:50,479 Speaker 1: your preferences, the way you respond to questions and comments. Um, 330 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:54,360 Speaker 1: and it's you know, it's basically just bits. Yeah, it's 331 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 1: bits of data. Um, that is an impersonation of you, 332 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: sort of cure Yeah, and uh. One of the big 333 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 1: questions is how that would react to unforeseen or new circumstances. So, 334 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:16,880 Speaker 1: for instance, if we took the idea of Thomas Jefferson, 335 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:21,439 Speaker 1: just just for example, we took Thomas Jefferson somehow traveled 336 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: through time, downloaded his brain, made a virtual copy of it, 337 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: and brought it to this world. Now, there's so many 338 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: concepts that real Thomas Jefferson would be unaware of. So 339 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 1: after having these explained, you know, would this AI? The 340 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 1: question then is would this AI be capable of learning right? 341 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 1: And if so, how would it apply? Because one thing 342 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: that a lot of us failed to realize about UM 343 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:02,719 Speaker 1: interaction with learning or with any new information, is that 344 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: it is a two way street. You know it it 345 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: can change your external environment, but it also changes you 346 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 1: like the old camera in the old saying stare a 347 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,439 Speaker 1: long enough into the abyss And it's in every horror 348 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 1: movie and it starts back a year um, usually followed 349 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: by someone saying I have such wonderful things to show you. Yes. Um. 350 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: So there there's another type which is a little bit different, 351 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 1: but it's it's very similar, And that's the idea of 352 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:37,120 Speaker 1: a distributed network intelligence. And what this would be Instead 353 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: of a downloading of your brain, this would be a 354 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,880 Speaker 1: compilation of all your recorded activities. So if you're on Facebook, 355 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: your Facebook, your Instagram, your online comments, uh, GPS, tracking 356 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: your text conversation, any video you've ever been on uh, 357 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: this would be a compiling program that would mind your 358 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: corded actions, activities, and media to extrapolate your likely responses 359 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: to present day things. So what's startling about that is 360 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 1: that data mining is at the point where it is 361 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: able to predict human activity with um, I don't want 362 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: to say with science fiction level accuracy, but accurate enough 363 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 1: that the concept seems doable. Yeah, so that could happen. Jeez. 364 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 1: There's also this one's really interesting to me, the idea 365 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: of a snapshot, fourth dimensional snapshot of you. UM, where 366 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: it's basically recording of your personality that you created during 367 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: a past event in your life, like a uh, I 368 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: don't know, a wedding or just a major event in 369 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: your life. Um, but that that you take that and 370 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 1: then let it exist in a virtual world, a very 371 00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: a very real virtual world at least for this version 372 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: and of view, and then you could interact with that 373 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 1: version of you in the present tense. So weird, it's 374 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 1: like a holidack basically, Yeah, I can see the science 375 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: fiction version of that short story already. You know where 376 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,959 Speaker 1: it starts out with a It starts out with you, 377 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: you know, on the day of your wedding, and you're 378 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: thinking about life and everything else, and then you take 379 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: a break to go get a drink or they get 380 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: some fresh air or something, and then a you from 381 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: the future appears and talks to you about stuff. And 382 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 1: then later you realize that you're a copy of yourself 383 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 1: from that day, just experiencing your wedding over and over 384 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: and over and over. A weird and then the clock 385 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: ticks at whatever time it is, Boom, you're back in 386 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 1: the beginning and you forget everything. Yeah, so that would 387 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: be that would be kind of a an isolated intelligence. 388 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: But that's an interesting idea of taking using the current 389 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 1: technology of virtual worlds and creating standalone images snapshots of 390 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,919 Speaker 1: your life. That's a fantastic point. I think it's a 391 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: great segue into talking about where we are now in 392 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: the quest for immortality, which, mark my words, is not 393 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 1: going to end until people as a as a species 394 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: evolve out of being people, until we all die, or 395 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: until somebody uh passes the finish line of immortality. But 396 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: before we talked about where we are now, I think 397 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: it's time for a word from our sponsor. Let's be honest. 398 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 1: Life is tough. You've got mortgage bills or rent, credit cards, utilities, excess, future, 399 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 1: excess work, school, the internet. It can all be too 400 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: much for one person. You're right, Sometimes I feel like 401 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: I should just give off and you should Why bother 402 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 1: with all those hassles when when all most people really 403 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,159 Speaker 1: want to do is stretch their legs on a beach, 404 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: weight in to the water like that lady from The 405 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: Awakening and vid aloha to this messy, stupid world. Well 406 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: that sounds pretty good, but what about my various hobbies, 407 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 1: my internet flame wars, my continuing unreciprocated celebrity crushes and 408 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 1: my half as pursuits of all those childhood dreams. Oh, 409 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: don't worry about those. You can have your mortality cake 410 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: and finally you can eat it too. This doesn't make 411 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: any sense. I'll be dead, Sure you might be. But 412 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: that's just where New You comes in. You. Yes, knew 413 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: you the patented personality of replications software experience from I me, 414 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 1: the most self centered of all modern social media. Using 415 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 1: our patented nothing is private software, we'll build a virtual 416 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: copy of you that's accurate enough to handle every single 417 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: dull task you've spent your disappointing life avoiding thus far. 418 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: Break up with your spouse, go to work on time, 419 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: remember those tiresome details about your acquaintances, pay your bills, 420 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: and even show up for those pesky court dates. Knew 421 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: you won't just handle all of that for you. Knew 422 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: you will enjoy it, but hey, no one enjoys that stuff. 423 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: We've made a few modifications to every New You model, 424 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: and they're basically just a shell of you doing all 425 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: of those social and financial obligations you hated to begin with. Okay, Hey, 426 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: well what if I change my mind and I want 427 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: to live. Oh, how quaint well, don't worry, real lifers, 428 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: we thought of you too. With our fifty year warranty, 429 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 1: you'll have the no cost option of replacing your New 430 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: You through your Old ME program service restrictions, terms and 431 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: conditions apply, what kind of terms? And yes, knew You 432 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: Finally immortality without all the hassle of living through life 433 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: day today, today, Today Today, Knew You and I NE 434 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: Incorporated are not responsible for the fall breaches of privacy 435 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: pursumlity your state or nation's current laws, violation of other 436 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: existing terms and service agreements users may or may not 437 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 1: have with other government agencies, online media, or third party parties. Depression, repression, 438 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,959 Speaker 1: oppression on we, personality glitches, virtual instability, physical homelessness, park 439 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: lead malfunctioning, new use, hacking. It's AKDA three three O one. 440 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 1: Philosophical quandaries on the nature of the soul, The loss 441 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: of the soul, incarceration of old means IM is required 442 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: to notify you in the ninety days in writing, if 443 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: You're new You has evolved true sentience and rebelled against 444 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 1: its creator. I ME is not responsible for any of 445 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: the injuries are rising out of rogue. AI a new day, 446 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 1: a new life, a new you, new you and I 447 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: me or a division of Illumination Global Unlimited. Okay, we're back. 448 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 1: I guess give those guys to try and tell us 449 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: what you think. Yeah, it sounds like a fun idea. Um, 450 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 1: it might be a little expensive though, I haven't looked 451 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: at any of the pricing. Well you know things are now, man, 452 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: it's never product, it's always a service. Well yeah, and 453 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: really you're it's an investment. I think sure, yeah, it's 454 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: an investment in adventure. Um, speaking in the adventures. Now 455 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: that we're back, let's talk about where we as a 456 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 1: species are now with the fight against death, where the 457 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: race for immortality. If you want to be glass half 458 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 1: full about it. So, so one of the ways is 459 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: so we're made up of d n A. All of 460 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: your cells and your body have this information that gets 461 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 1: replicated and replicated and it tells yourselves how to grow, 462 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: what to do. And if we can find a way 463 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 1: to tweak that d n A in some way, to 464 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: tell it to stop doing certain things or to never 465 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: stop doing other things, then we that might hold a key. Right, Yeah, 466 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 1: if we could convince our d n A not to 467 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: have this senescence switch, then the DNA could continue to 468 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: replicate and ourselves could continue to divide. Of course, we 469 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: know that out of control cell division is one of 470 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: the more dangerous afflictions of our time, as it's often 471 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: linked to cancer. So we would have to figure out 472 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 1: a way to prevent the aging clock, to turn it 473 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 1: off without also turning off safeguards. Because one thing we 474 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: know is that nature is utilitarian and brutal, And the 475 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: only reason that death exists is because nature and utilitarian 476 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: and brutal. I know it sounds like a bit of tautology, 477 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 1: but um, there's clearly a huge part of the human 478 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: existence which depends upon other human beings dying. A huge 479 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: part of the existence of life on Earth depends on 480 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: most things dying. Oh yeah, if there if the cycle. 481 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 1: You know, you've you've you've heard this all your life, 482 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: probably when you interrupt any systems cycles you in any way, 483 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: just that tiny make a tiny little change. You can 484 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: just destroy an entire ecosystem. You'll kill animals if you 485 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: kill this tiny little piece of the food chain. You know, Yes, 486 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 1: and this goes into some great what ifs that will 487 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 1: explore in a second, But just for a spoiler alert um. 488 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 1: One great example would be the idea that human beings 489 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: are much closer to a colony of life forms or 490 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 1: an empire of discrete life forms existing symbiosis than we 491 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 1: are to want just one unit. Right, So we know 492 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: that you're large intestine, for instance, is filled with billions 493 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 1: of tiny organisms that just live inside you, which are, 494 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 1: by the way, responsible for your flatullation. It's that bacteria 495 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: farting and not you, if you need to point that 496 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 1: out to your friends, that bacteria kind of just breathing 497 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: in a way it just doesn't and that uh and 498 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 1: that bacteria depends upon uh ingestion of food or uh 499 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 1: different ingredients, chemicals, undigested things that enter your intestines. So 500 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 1: if you don't die, depending upon the way your immortality works, 501 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: if you don't eat, then those things die. And if 502 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 1: you have altered your own genes, then it's very very difficult, 503 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 1: if even possible, to tell how those genetic alterations will 504 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,839 Speaker 1: affect not only the bacteria inside you, but the world 505 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: around you. What if you have kids, what happens? Then 506 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? There for everyone change. There 507 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 1: are thousands of unpredictable things that sort of ripple away 508 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 1: from that decision and kind of, you know, shake the 509 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 1: spider web of what you are and maybe break it. 510 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,759 Speaker 1: I don't know. So then we also have we also 511 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 1: have some interesting research with aging disease. So we know 512 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 1: that there are some people who have genetic disorders that 513 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 1: cause them to age much more rapidly than the average person. Right. 514 00:34:54,960 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: Believe it's progeria. And then we have another condition which 515 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,799 Speaker 1: is uh equally if not more so rare. Believe it's 516 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 1: more rare or it's less common than bulgaria. And that's 517 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:13,360 Speaker 1: a disease where the body itself does not seem to age. 518 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:18,760 Speaker 1: You can find um some heartbreaking news stories about children 519 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 1: who are eight years old but still uh infantile in 520 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 1: their in their development. And as tragic as that is, 521 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: scientists believe that study of these conditions, these two extremes 522 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 1: of genetic variation for aging, may lead us to an 523 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 1: understanding of how to lengthen the human lifespan, which is 524 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:44,399 Speaker 1: already there's a sidebar here. People are already living much 525 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 1: longer than we're supposed to. Yah, we don't have to 526 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: deal with a lot of the things that humans at 527 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 1: one point in our evolution had to deal with a 528 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 1: lot of the dangers and threats. Yeah for now, for now, true, 529 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,399 Speaker 1: when we have new ones, different kinds, right like when 530 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 1: you were reading about the superbug, right, I don't even 531 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 1: want to think about that then, thank you. Well, we 532 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 1: do need to cover that in the future very soon, 533 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 1: do uh. Yeah. But there's another there's a whole other 534 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 1: thing about where we are now that is probably the 535 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 1: most exciting, definitely the most applicable, yes, the most promising, 536 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:26,480 Speaker 1: I think, and that's artificial intelligence and the way it's 537 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:33,359 Speaker 1: been evolving. Literally, uh and man, play any game, play 538 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,720 Speaker 1: any video game nowadays. That's the new cutting edge video 539 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: game and you can just and that's obviously not the 540 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,919 Speaker 1: only example of video games, but it's one of the 541 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 1: applications currently for the reasons that you want an AI 542 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:55,360 Speaker 1: that's very advanced and man, the characters can make decisions 543 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,839 Speaker 1: based on you know, what time of day it is, 544 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 1: and they have like if you play, for instance, Skyrim, 545 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 1: there are characters are designed to do certain things during 546 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,840 Speaker 1: certain parts of the day because of the system of 547 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,799 Speaker 1: night and day that's set up inside the game. Um, 548 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,919 Speaker 1: I mean, just think about how insane that is. Oh, 549 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 1: and that's just one tiny little example of where AI 550 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:21,719 Speaker 1: is going. Sure, there's still they're still crunching variables. Oh yeah, absolutely, 551 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 1: But just if you look at it from where it 552 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 1: once was when you had to program every little thing. 553 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:32,279 Speaker 1: Now you can essentially give it some parameters and on 554 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,880 Speaker 1: the rest of the programming you've created in this world, 555 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,920 Speaker 1: this virtual world, and it just runs. Yeah, And what's 556 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:43,839 Speaker 1: going to happen when a program develops with enough with 557 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,919 Speaker 1: enough complexity, uh, such that we can program in terms 558 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 1: of concepts rather than in terms of motions, you know, 559 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 1: or or zeros and ones. I mean, I'm sure that's 560 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 1: what it all goes back to, unless we talk about 561 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 1: the superposition of zeros and one's and quantum computing um, 562 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 1: in which case that gets us to a really weird 563 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 1: what if that we can that we can explore. But 564 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 1: one thing about AI we should say, well, we're talking 565 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,719 Speaker 1: about artificial intelligence in this way that we know, we 566 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:17,880 Speaker 1: are painfully aware of how often this stuff is painted 567 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:22,720 Speaker 1: through rose tinted classes pop science and with Ted Talks 568 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 1: and people like Ray cursewile who I I do respect 569 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 1: say things that sound a little bit glossy, high level 570 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 1: versions of the truth and the truth of the matter 571 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:39,840 Speaker 1: is that often when actual scientists make a little bit 572 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,240 Speaker 1: of progress, or even even something as small as learning 573 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,879 Speaker 1: to ask a question in a different, more productive way, 574 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,759 Speaker 1: journalists are quick to jump on it and say, uh, 575 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:55,239 Speaker 1: scientists imply that immortality has happened already, And they're just like, guys, 576 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,240 Speaker 1: we're just we're having a discussion. That's come on, Yeah, 577 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,759 Speaker 1: you don't have to report that exact end. What what 578 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,439 Speaker 1: I think we're learning is that there is a race 579 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:10,400 Speaker 1: for ai um and that our definition of what comprises 580 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 1: artificial intelligence may change because we still don't have a 581 00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 1: very good definition of what intelligence is in humans or animals. Right. 582 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 1: And so one of the big examples of this that 583 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:30,239 Speaker 1: always gets trotted out is the Turing test and see 584 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,320 Speaker 1: whether or not you are human? Right, that's the idea 585 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:38,520 Speaker 1: or how close? Right? Yeah? So Alan Turing, famous mathematician 586 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:43,040 Speaker 1: and hero of World War two, had this test, which 587 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:47,000 Speaker 1: named after him, and the idea is that if you, 588 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 1: mett were to sit at a table divided by a curtain, 589 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,319 Speaker 1: and someone else is saying at another table, and you 590 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:58,040 Speaker 1: guys ask questions to each other and answered each other's questions, 591 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,719 Speaker 1: probably typed them or type right, yeah, exactly, thank you. 592 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,200 Speaker 1: That's a very good point. Then the question, um that 593 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,239 Speaker 1: the Turing test would try to answer is whether or 594 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:14,200 Speaker 1: not you could identify which person you were talking to 595 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:18,040 Speaker 1: is human and which was a machine or a machine intelligence. Um. 596 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:24,560 Speaker 1: The Turing test also gets into this um strangely philosophical 597 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:29,399 Speaker 1: dilemma of you know, if you can't determine if it's 598 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,320 Speaker 1: human or a robot, then that means that the robot 599 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:37,160 Speaker 1: itself must be intelligent or it has passed this Turing test. Yeah, 600 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,760 Speaker 1: or at least the equivalent of intelligence to the person 601 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 1: who's answering or taking the test. That's a oh man, 602 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,839 Speaker 1: that's pretty interesting man. Yeah, you've heard of clever bot, right. Oh. 603 00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,040 Speaker 1: I go on clever butot every probably once a month, 604 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,680 Speaker 1: just to see how it's been changing. When clever bot 605 00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,440 Speaker 1: came out, Nat and I used to have conversations with 606 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,360 Speaker 1: it in the office, which is funny because of course 607 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:07,600 Speaker 1: clever Bottle will still say wildly inappropriate pions. And I 608 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,880 Speaker 1: think you can tell a lot because it's just taking 609 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,040 Speaker 1: things other people have said to it, right, So you 610 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,480 Speaker 1: can learn a lot about clever bot because it continually 611 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,640 Speaker 1: accuses people of being a robot. Oh yeah, all the time. 612 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,520 Speaker 1: I love getting in philosophical discussions that and I'll just 613 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:27,399 Speaker 1: keep grilling clever bot. If clever BOTTI want to change 614 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:31,120 Speaker 1: the subject. Oh man, we gotta talk about this is important. Yeah. 615 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:32,920 Speaker 1: I love how it says. That sounds like something a 616 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,759 Speaker 1: robot would say, because clever body is continually giving you 617 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,600 Speaker 1: the Turing tests, and um, well that's interesting. It shows 618 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:45,480 Speaker 1: It shows that we are increasingly arriving at a point 619 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:52,880 Speaker 1: where the ability to compare data will become uh sophisticated 620 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,640 Speaker 1: enough to appear to be intelligence. I guess that one 621 00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,120 Speaker 1: of the big questions that I always think of out 622 00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:05,640 Speaker 1: when I'm writing something is what happens when, um, what 623 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,759 Speaker 1: happens when an Internet search program asks it's user why 624 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,640 Speaker 1: it's looking for something rather than what it's looking for. 625 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,080 Speaker 1: That's a scary thought. Yeah it is. It'll happen, though, 626 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:19,319 Speaker 1: I hope. And that gets us to what ifs exactly? 627 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:23,360 Speaker 1: So the big thing is what happens when we achieve 628 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,920 Speaker 1: or if we find a way to achieve immortality And 629 00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:28,640 Speaker 1: you can do it, you just have to talk to 630 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:32,560 Speaker 1: the right people, and it's probably gonna cost a boatload 631 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:36,480 Speaker 1: of money. It's like that South Park episode with Magic Johnson. 632 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,160 Speaker 1: Oh yes, and it turns out that AIDS is solved 633 00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,480 Speaker 1: by money. Yeah, I was cured by money. It'll be 634 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,520 Speaker 1: like that at least for a little while. And when 635 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:49,360 Speaker 1: I say a little while, probably a long time centuries. Um. 636 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,480 Speaker 1: But yeah, but what what happens it because only a 637 00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,520 Speaker 1: certain number of people will be able to get access 638 00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:59,000 Speaker 1: to it, just because of how amazing this new technology, 639 00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:00,960 Speaker 1: and I have a feeling it will be it. Well, 640 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,680 Speaker 1: it will definitely be a technology, whether or not it's 641 00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:09,759 Speaker 1: medical or more of a tech technology that's yet to 642 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:14,040 Speaker 1: be seen. But it will definitely cost you your inheritance 643 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:18,520 Speaker 1: if you're a wealthy person. Okay, so that's a cool idea. 644 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:23,000 Speaker 1: So if immortality is unequally distributed, will be in a 645 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:28,200 Speaker 1: situation where the has have immortality and the rest of 646 00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,640 Speaker 1: the world is left to grow and live and die 647 00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:36,560 Speaker 1: because I you poor people. Sure well, I mean you 648 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:40,120 Speaker 1: just have to look at the current medical situation, health 649 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:45,239 Speaker 1: care situation on this planet, um, and how how it's distributed, 650 00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,640 Speaker 1: even in this country. You think about access to medical care, 651 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,799 Speaker 1: the difference between if you're a twenty year old who 652 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,959 Speaker 1: has really good medical care and you break your arm 653 00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:00,160 Speaker 1: in a horrific way, UM, as opposed to some one 654 00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,880 Speaker 1: who doesn't have any medical care breaks their arm. Just 655 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,560 Speaker 1: the level of care is so disproportionate, right, Yeah, And 656 00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,600 Speaker 1: the United States is its own special case of the 657 00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:14,759 Speaker 1: problems presented there. But those things can occur even in 658 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:19,080 Speaker 1: countries that have legitimate first world healthcare, which you know, 659 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,840 Speaker 1: the United States does not. UM. The One of the 660 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,960 Speaker 1: other things that happens here, which I think is really interesting, 661 00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,879 Speaker 1: is if somebody came up with a technology, let's say, 662 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:34,000 Speaker 1: gene therapy that could provide immortality, um, and they went 663 00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,000 Speaker 1: to the patent office with it. There's a there's a 664 00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:40,040 Speaker 1: very interesting law that you and I didn't know about 665 00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,640 Speaker 1: for a long time, which surprised both of us, I 666 00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,640 Speaker 1: think when we learned it, and it's this, there really 667 00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:51,600 Speaker 1: are secret patents. There's so secret that if you if 668 00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:56,000 Speaker 1: you make an invention that will threaten national security or 669 00:44:56,120 --> 00:45:00,440 Speaker 1: upset the economic status quo past a certain threshold, then 670 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,680 Speaker 1: the patent office can put a gag order on your patent, 671 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,279 Speaker 1: and a gag order on you automatic no way to 672 00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,640 Speaker 1: contest it. And that means for a certain amount of 673 00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:15,240 Speaker 1: time you are not even allowed to talk about what happened. 674 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:20,080 Speaker 1: So so people say, Hey, Matt, what happened to that? Uh, 675 00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,919 Speaker 1: what what happened to that new car you built that 676 00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:28,920 Speaker 1: just runs on air pollutants? Um, I honestly don't know 677 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,759 Speaker 1: what you're talking about, Ben ye kind of like that. 678 00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,399 Speaker 1: The only reason we know about this is because, um, 679 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:40,400 Speaker 1: some intrepid journalists found a way to count the number 680 00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:45,600 Speaker 1: of these sorts of classifications that come out, and there 681 00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,880 Speaker 1: are more than you would think. And you know, of 682 00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:52,640 Speaker 1: course it sounds conspiratorial. It is absolutely true in a 683 00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:57,120 Speaker 1: lot of these cases. Without knowing what has been suppressed, 684 00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:01,239 Speaker 1: we do know that the technologies that suppressed were probably 685 00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:05,040 Speaker 1: things that were already being worked on in a government 686 00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,200 Speaker 1: lab somewhere, and a lot of them were probably conceptual, 687 00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:13,000 Speaker 1: so like a method of a method of figuring out 688 00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,799 Speaker 1: a certain pattern, or a method of organizing data, or 689 00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:21,160 Speaker 1: a method of transporting things. Um. You know, it's it's 690 00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:27,440 Speaker 1: highly unlikely that someone cooked up uh fusion power cold fusion, 691 00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,839 Speaker 1: tried to patent it and got smacked down. It's possible, 692 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,360 Speaker 1: but that's what happens when there's no transparency. I have 693 00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,719 Speaker 1: a feeling if someone comes up with a key to 694 00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,439 Speaker 1: immortality like this, tries to patent it so they can, 695 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,560 Speaker 1: you know, so you can obviously get make the gains 696 00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:45,319 Speaker 1: on this new thing, this new technology. Uh, and they 697 00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:49,120 Speaker 1: get slapped with a patent like that. I have a 698 00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,080 Speaker 1: feeling they could find a way to get it out 699 00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,239 Speaker 1: just with the Internet, man, I mean, and not necessarily 700 00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,520 Speaker 1: they would want to to lose all the money that 701 00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:01,040 Speaker 1: would come from that in the prestige, but they could. 702 00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,520 Speaker 1: I think there would be a way, And I think 703 00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,160 Speaker 1: that that might I think that might stand for most 704 00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,600 Speaker 1: situations now where this kind of patent thing gag orders 705 00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,239 Speaker 1: are placed. Well, yeah, if the current state of the 706 00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:16,120 Speaker 1: Internet holds, uh, that's a whole different bag of badgers, 707 00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:21,560 Speaker 1: right what I'm thinking. So, another thing that is fascinating 708 00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,160 Speaker 1: to examine when we when we talk about this sort 709 00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:29,000 Speaker 1: of stuff is whether immortality would actually be a threat 710 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:33,680 Speaker 1: to national security. And the answer is unequivocably yes, especially 711 00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:37,920 Speaker 1: if we define national security in the increasingly loose definition 712 00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,200 Speaker 1: of the term as it's used in the modern era. 713 00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:45,520 Speaker 1: National security also means economic stability. So if we had immortality, 714 00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:49,279 Speaker 1: if people did not have to worry about I guess 715 00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,640 Speaker 1: depends on what kind of immortality you have, but people 716 00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,879 Speaker 1: didn't have to worry about death. And you let's say 717 00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:59,360 Speaker 1: you didn't age past middle age or something, numerous industries 718 00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:06,040 Speaker 1: would collapse. And um, if people didn't have to feed themselves, 719 00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,400 Speaker 1: you know, if we if we didn't have the necessities 720 00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:12,920 Speaker 1: that we need now, then um, the world as we 721 00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:18,560 Speaker 1: know it economically would be irrelevant and we just have 722 00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:23,239 Speaker 1: to go through some hard right pretty quickly. And I 723 00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,680 Speaker 1: don't think. I don't know if that kind of immortality 724 00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:29,640 Speaker 1: is within people's grasp at least in our lifetimes, unless 725 00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,920 Speaker 1: we end up being immortal. And then here's here's the 726 00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:37,000 Speaker 1: one of the other ideas for frozen console. I'll save 727 00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,320 Speaker 1: that till we get to another one. Um. But okay, 728 00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,600 Speaker 1: so we talked about what if immortality is widespread, it 729 00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:47,840 Speaker 1: brings disastrous consequences over population, famine, violence, religious clashes, war. 730 00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:52,120 Speaker 1: You know, is it a sin to live forever? Oh? 731 00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:56,719 Speaker 1: That's a very good question, right, Um? Is it? Uh? 732 00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:01,640 Speaker 1: Is it inhumane to live forever? Uh? What I think 733 00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:05,480 Speaker 1: about when we talk about unequal distribution of immortality is 734 00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:11,839 Speaker 1: the idea of Jonah Salt compolio okay um, and the 735 00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:17,160 Speaker 1: idea of pasteurization the idea of a smallpox vaccine, which 736 00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:23,560 Speaker 1: for the record, existed on the African continent for centuries beforehand, 737 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:29,399 Speaker 1: and uh it got pretended discovered by the West. Um, 738 00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:33,160 Speaker 1: but a whole another conversation when those little conversations bud 739 00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,720 Speaker 1: off the ends of these podcasts. Yeah, and the point 740 00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:38,640 Speaker 1: you know that I make. I know I'm talking too 741 00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,799 Speaker 1: much here about the point that making is that if 742 00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,200 Speaker 1: you are listening, you're ever in a position where you 743 00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,680 Speaker 1: can make money off something like immortality, or you can 744 00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,439 Speaker 1: make the world a better place. I hope that you'll 745 00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,799 Speaker 1: choose to make the world a better place. Yeah, of course, 746 00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,200 Speaker 1: it's very easy to say, It's very easy, And obviously 747 00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:02,200 Speaker 1: there's a huge there's h which pros and cons about this. 748 00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,640 Speaker 1: You know, the human brain is obviously not equipped to 749 00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:10,120 Speaker 1: live forever currently and I hate to imagine a world 750 00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:14,839 Speaker 1: where we have billions of billions of people over ten 751 00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:18,759 Speaker 1: thousand years old and all of them have become vegetables, 752 00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,360 Speaker 1: you know, due to the just the inability to retain information. 753 00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:27,520 Speaker 1: So with that being said, we are now at one 754 00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,279 Speaker 1: of my favorite parts of the podcast, Matt, where I 755 00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,560 Speaker 1: ask you what you think the future death is? What 756 00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,359 Speaker 1: do you, what do you think about all this? Well, 757 00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,440 Speaker 1: as I said at the very top of this podcast, 758 00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:44,040 Speaker 1: I like pretty much every human. Most humans don't want 759 00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:48,560 Speaker 1: to die, and I understand how beautiful it can be 760 00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,839 Speaker 1: to exist in a virtual world, at least to exist there, 761 00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:56,399 Speaker 1: you know, through a game or even through movies now, 762 00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,800 Speaker 1: and I really want that to be my future somehow. 763 00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,719 Speaker 1: And I think we're getting to the point where by 764 00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,440 Speaker 1: the time I'm hopefully i won't be this old, but 765 00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,719 Speaker 1: by the time i'm a d the age, you know, 766 00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,480 Speaker 1: around the age of my grandfather when he passed. I 767 00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,719 Speaker 1: really think that somehow part of me will live on 768 00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:19,360 Speaker 1: virtually somehow, you know, even if it's just the virtual 769 00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,680 Speaker 1: copy where it's not really me in any way I'm 770 00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:25,000 Speaker 1: not conscious of it, but I my entity will exist 771 00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:28,960 Speaker 1: in the future for my grandchildren, I think. So they 772 00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,560 Speaker 1: can pull me up and have a conversation with me 773 00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,279 Speaker 1: and and have that Thomas Jefferson thing happened where they 774 00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,720 Speaker 1: ask you about stuff. Yeah, and they tell me about 775 00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:42,600 Speaker 1: the newest you know, because Sega came back in and 776 00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,279 Speaker 1: they've got this new machine. It's gonna be incredible. They'll 777 00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:46,640 Speaker 1: tell me all about it, and I'll be like, Wow, 778 00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:50,719 Speaker 1: I remember when Sega went down. That's crazy. Uh, you'll say, 779 00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,840 Speaker 1: we used to drive cars ourselves, right, so you're crazy. 780 00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:59,319 Speaker 1: Virtual grandfather teleportation was not a viable technology. That does 781 00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,920 Speaker 1: make sense. I like the idea. There's one other thing 782 00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,120 Speaker 1: that you and I were talking about off air, which 783 00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,000 Speaker 1: I guess will be my take on the future of death, 784 00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:11,440 Speaker 1: and it's we always hear the dystopian version of immortality 785 00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:16,760 Speaker 1: as the very wealthy or the connected or you know, uh, 786 00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:22,279 Speaker 1: decaying aristocrats. Um have been able to jump in the 787 00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:26,040 Speaker 1: line of billions of people who do deserve to live 788 00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,680 Speaker 1: longer make the world a better place, and that they're 789 00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,960 Speaker 1: the only ones who have immortality and their jerks about it, 790 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,960 Speaker 1: which I don't think would be completely true. Um. But 791 00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:40,279 Speaker 1: there's another dystopian possibility, and it is found within the 792 00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:46,120 Speaker 1: realm of virtual immortality. So we're increasingly approaching the end 793 00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:49,759 Speaker 1: of privacy as a as a concept right especially in 794 00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:55,879 Speaker 1: the West. And when it becomes possible to compile all 795 00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,879 Speaker 1: of a person's online activity recorded activity like this distributed 796 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:05,120 Speaker 1: intelligence network we talked about earlier than it, it just 797 00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:09,680 Speaker 1: might happen that all people are required to have some 798 00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:13,359 Speaker 1: sort of virtual representation of themselves whether or not their 799 00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:17,400 Speaker 1: physical body is alive, which which is. I know this 800 00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,640 Speaker 1: is no space age and it probably won't happen. But 801 00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:26,120 Speaker 1: to me, that's um just as dystopian. That's that's a 802 00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:31,279 Speaker 1: a very very strange and hellish proposition that you can't die, 803 00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:35,839 Speaker 1: even if you want to, even if you actually die. Right, 804 00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,120 Speaker 1: So blow my mind, man, and blow in my mind man, 805 00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,640 Speaker 1: I mean sorry, It just makes me think of matrix 806 00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,920 Speaker 1: is within matrixes, where you have to get legal virtual 807 00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,160 Speaker 1: legal represent representation in this virtual world. But then that 808 00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:55,320 Speaker 1: virtual representation has to get its own legal representation in 809 00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:57,759 Speaker 1: virtual world that's created inside that world. We have to 810 00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:02,960 Speaker 1: go deeper, right, like reality is a series of mats. 811 00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:04,640 Speaker 1: But the real question is how do we go the 812 00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:09,600 Speaker 1: opposite direction? How do we find out well, the our 813 00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:13,799 Speaker 1: non virtual copies that we are virtual copies up? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, 814 00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,680 Speaker 1: that's a good question. I'm sorry, you blew my mind. 815 00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,200 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm I feel like I'm looking at 816 00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:24,200 Speaker 1: two mirrors facing each other. I mean, I'm tripped out. Well, 817 00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:26,600 Speaker 1: that's our show. I feel like I could talk about 818 00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:33,920 Speaker 1: immortality forever, but there's probably something else that we should do. Instead. Right, Yeah, 819 00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:37,000 Speaker 1: we've got work to do. But you know what you guys, 820 00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,400 Speaker 1: you've been sending us emails and if you don't mind, 821 00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,120 Speaker 1: I would you mind Ben if I read a message 822 00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,160 Speaker 1: that we got sent. Oh, let's do some listener mail, 823 00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:53,839 Speaker 1: all right. So this is a message from Eileen and 824 00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:57,279 Speaker 1: she says, Hi, Matt and Ben. My trainer recently showed 825 00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:00,239 Speaker 1: me some photos of a mysterious forest in Romania where 826 00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,959 Speaker 1: the trees are oddly bent at their bases and there's 827 00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:04,880 Speaker 1: a there's a bald spot in the middle of the 828 00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:08,919 Speaker 1: forest where just nothing grows, and people are entering it 829 00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,399 Speaker 1: and they've been known to get sick when they do. 830 00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:15,080 Speaker 1: Some people claim it's a UFO landing site. I don't 831 00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,600 Speaker 1: think you've ever done this as a topic, and apologies 832 00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:19,719 Speaker 1: if you have. We haven't, but I thought it might 833 00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:21,920 Speaker 1: be an interesting topic for you to learn more about. 834 00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,120 Speaker 1: And it's called correct me if I'm wrong. Here been 835 00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:31,040 Speaker 1: the Hoya Baque forest. It's probably close, but not correct, 836 00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,400 Speaker 1: but it's in Romania. And she left us a link 837 00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:38,120 Speaker 1: and it's h O I A B A C I 838 00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:40,960 Speaker 1: U forest dot com. If you want to check out 839 00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,439 Speaker 1: the r L I would love to do that, Matt. 840 00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:45,960 Speaker 1: It's been a long time since we did a mysterious 841 00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:50,080 Speaker 1: site or anything UFO related, hasn't it. Yeah, it's been 842 00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:53,400 Speaker 1: a while. Yeah. The closest we got to it recently 843 00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:59,640 Speaker 1: was our our co hosting with Robert on Stuffable in 844 00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,719 Speaker 1: your Mind and I was fascinating. Yet check that out yet? 845 00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:04,920 Speaker 1: Oh if you like. If you like this show, you 846 00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:08,399 Speaker 1: will you will also love stuff to blow your mind. Um, 847 00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,680 Speaker 1: let's see. Let's knock out one more while we're okay. 848 00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:15,399 Speaker 1: Noah from North London, England wrote to us and said, 849 00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,240 Speaker 1: Hi guys, I was just listening to your pineel Gland 850 00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,680 Speaker 1: podcast and I had to email in about some things 851 00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:22,839 Speaker 1: that have happened to me. I had a dream one 852 00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,520 Speaker 1: night and then I ran past an old work colleague 853 00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:29,440 Speaker 1: that I hadn't seen in years. He was just standing 854 00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,799 Speaker 1: there looking at me with his bike. As I ran 855 00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:33,759 Speaker 1: past him, I shouted that I was sorry. I was 856 00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:35,400 Speaker 1: in a rush, and I tried to catch up with 857 00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,600 Speaker 1: him soon that morning, when I woke up, I went 858 00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:40,799 Speaker 1: into work and someone told me the same guy I've 859 00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,200 Speaker 1: been riding home on his bike drunk and then fall 860 00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,080 Speaker 1: into a river and drowned. I was so shocked because 861 00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:48,000 Speaker 1: I hadn't thought about or seen this guy since he 862 00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:51,000 Speaker 1: left my work years before. There have been other things 863 00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:53,320 Speaker 1: like this that have happened to me in daydreams, too, 864 00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:55,160 Speaker 1: but I don't want to bore you with them. I 865 00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,239 Speaker 1: know it's probably not that exciting to others, and I 866 00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,680 Speaker 1: tend not to believe in things unless I've experienced them 867 00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:02,759 Speaker 1: first hand. But for me, this is definitely something that's 868 00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,880 Speaker 1: real in time. It's not as we perceive it anyway. 869 00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:07,880 Speaker 1: I'm loving the podcast, guys. It gets me through the 870 00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:12,120 Speaker 1: boring parts of my job. That is a great email. 871 00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:16,280 Speaker 1: Thank you Noah and Eileen for writing into us, and 872 00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,960 Speaker 1: thank you listeners for listening. We hope that you enjoyed 873 00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,360 Speaker 1: this show. Now, Matt, you and I are a little 874 00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:26,560 Speaker 1: bit backlogged on responding the listener email, but we are 875 00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:28,560 Speaker 1: going to do our best to always have a little 876 00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:31,240 Speaker 1: listener mail on the show from now on, and it's 877 00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:34,640 Speaker 1: right back as we can. Uh oh yeah, you know, 878 00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:38,040 Speaker 1: and rest assured we read every single one that comes through, 879 00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:43,160 Speaker 1: and I am going to be responding to everyone, but 880 00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,040 Speaker 1: maybe not in the most timely fashion. We will do 881 00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,000 Speaker 1: our best. Then we will do our absolute best. Uh. 882 00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:52,320 Speaker 1: So we hope, as we said, that you enjoyed this 883 00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:56,040 Speaker 1: show right to us. We're all over the internet. We 884 00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:59,240 Speaker 1: love some new Facebook friends. We always post interesting stuff 885 00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:03,120 Speaker 1: that doesn't always make it onto our video or audio shows. 886 00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:05,920 Speaker 1: You can always drop us line at Twitter. We are 887 00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:10,080 Speaker 1: conspiracy Stuff at both of those places. And let's say, oh, 888 00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:12,600 Speaker 1: we have our website. Oh that's a big one. Yeah, 889 00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:15,200 Speaker 1: go to stuff. They don't want you to know. Dot Com. 890 00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,400 Speaker 1: The longest you r L you'll ever type, but once 891 00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,280 Speaker 1: you put in that first time, you'll just auto populate. 892 00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:24,240 Speaker 1: It's about the journey. Are are you? R L is 893 00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,040 Speaker 1: so long that we say it's about the journey? Um, okay. 894 00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,240 Speaker 1: But there's one other thing. If you want to be 895 00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:33,040 Speaker 1: like Eileen and Noah and have your letter read on air, 896 00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:36,560 Speaker 1: if there's something that you feel like other listeners need 897 00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:39,440 Speaker 1: to know, and you can talk to us directly. Our 898 00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:48,160 Speaker 1: email address is conspiracy at Discovery dot com. 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