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Speaker 2: Hey everyone, Emily Abani here, you are listening to a

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Speaker 1: would I be the same runner? And I think once

437
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Speaker 1: I went through that, I knew I could handle most

438
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Speaker 1: things in life. And so even though it was super

439
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,439
Speaker 1: hard to have planner when I did, I knew I

440
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 1: just needed to keep on that mental game. I needed

441
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Speaker 1: to have the mental capacity to get through it. But

442
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 1: also I needed to just ride the wave and be

443
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Speaker 1: excited to come back when I could get back.

444
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Speaker 2: And you also had a massive abdominal injury.

445
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I forgot about that. One. How could you

446
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 1: That one was lovely? I did the splits over a

447
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Speaker 1: snow drift on the way to the indoor track in Minnesota,

448
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 1: actually the January before I made my Olympic team in June,

449
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 1: and I tore both addictors, which are your growing muscles.

450
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,879
Speaker 1: I tore the abs off my pubic bone. I didn't

451
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Speaker 1: know I was that injured until I got home from

452
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Speaker 1: the Olympics, because there's no time to be injured the

453
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,879
Speaker 1: Olympic year, right, So we managed with all kinds of

454
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Speaker 1: different treatments. And then once I got home from the Olympics,

455
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 1: I could tell I was super injured. I had more

456
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Speaker 1: than just the soft tissue injuries. I had two stress

457
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Speaker 1: reactions on my pubic bone. I had askediatus pubis while

458
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Speaker 1: I was running in the Olympics. So I was a

459
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 1: big mess. But just again, I mean, we're talking a

460
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Speaker 1: lot about the mind, and for me to be able

461
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Speaker 1: to sort of, you know, put that all aside and

462
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Speaker 1: too mentally get through the pain that I was in,

463
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Speaker 1: I think that's a pretty powerful thing for me to

464
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Speaker 1: look back at.

465
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Speaker 2: Wow, just wow, the thought of running on those kinds

466
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Speaker 2: of injuries alone, nevertheless performing at the level that you

467
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 2: were is just it's unfathomable. Now again, going back to

468
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:48,439
Speaker 2: that word insecurity that carried along with you well past

469
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Speaker 2: your professional career and even in more recent years when

470
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Speaker 2: you got really back into the swing of running after

471
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Speaker 2: having your kids. Talk to me a little bit about

472
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Speaker 2: how that felt for you, being this Olympian that is

473
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Speaker 2: now a little bit older and trying to lace up

474
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Speaker 2: and get back out there.

475
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Speaker 1: Well, first of all, bite your tongue. Oh, I was

476
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: just thinking that today, I'm like, I am forty five

477
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: years old. How am I forty five years old?

478
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 2: What a beautiful forty five year old you are?

479
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 1: My gosh, I don't know. I got a lot of wrinkles,

480
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 1: but we'll we'll just be happy with those. We'll call

481
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 1: them smile lines. But anyway, yeah, you know, I didn't

482
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: know for sure if I was going to be done

483
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: competing when I was having my babies, and even after Everett,

484
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 1: who now turns nine soon here and so Ruby's twelve,

485
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 1: Everett's nine, and then our little guy Greer is six.

486
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 1: I think that I needed to figure out who I

487
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 1: was going to be after my sport was done, or

488
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 1: I guess my racing was done, and that was where

489
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 1: the insecurity really came into play for me. It wasn't

490
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 1: so much that I was going to be a mom.

491
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Speaker 1: It wasn't so much that I didn't know if I

492
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: was going to be that athlete. It was just like

493
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: where do I go? Like there are all these questions

494
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: because I still didn't know I wasn't going to get

495
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: back to the track. I didn't really get back to it,

496
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: but my career went a different way with broadcasts and

497
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 1: my podcast and all these other fun things that I

498
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 1: get to do still, but there's still that like who

499
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: am I without this sport? And that's what I think

500
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: I really struggled with during my pregnancies, because that's where

501
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: you're like, you look different, right, You're you're getting way

502
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: out of shape. It's just you're going to be a mom.

503
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 1: You got other kids to worry or you have other

504
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: things to worry about, not just not just you. So

505
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 1: I've struggled with insecurity a little bit. But also I

506
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: think it's just a question of what's next. That has

507
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: always been my fear, my insecurity, not necessarily living in

508
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: the moment. So yeah, I getting away from racing wasn't

509
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 1: so hard, it's just where am I going to go

510
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 1: with my career. That's been the hard part.

511
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 2: And I'm sure women, regardless of whether they've transitioned into

512
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 2: a phase of being a mother, perhaps they've gone through

513
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 2: some sort of other career change or navigating relationships as

514
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,640
Speaker 2: they ebb and flow. There are so many different ways

515
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,919
Speaker 2: that we as humans identify. So when you add a

516
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 2: new title, a new identification to your roster in your case, mother,

517
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 2: it's totally natural for you to question, like, well, what

518
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:33,360
Speaker 2: about all these other ways that I have identified in

519
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 2: the moments in years leading up to right now, and

520
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 2: especially identifying as a runner was such a huge part

521
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 2: of your being. You even said it yourself, like, it

522
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 2: is the thing that to this day still gets me opportunities,

523
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 2: still enables you to do something that you love so much.

524
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 2: So when you laced up again, talk me through how

525
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 2: it felt to get back out there and know it

526
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 2: was going to be different.

527
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: It was really hard. It was really hard. I mean

528
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: I always tell this story. So I went out to

529
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 1: Portland to run and to try to make the Olympic

530
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 1: trials right after Ruby was born. So it's about a

531
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: year actually after Ruby was born, and I was sleeping

532
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 1: on the floor of a friend's house on a blow

533
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 1: up mattress, and I remember laying there thinking, I am

534
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: sleeping on the floor on a blow up mattress away

535
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: from my child. Is this what I want to do?

536
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: And that was the kind of eye opener for me.

537
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: My husband was home, my daughter was home, and you

538
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: know what, Listen, we are seeing some amazing performances from

539
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: moms and we even did at that time. You know,

540
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: this was twenty eleven, so we had already seen Paula Radcliffe.

541
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Speaker 1: We had already seen I mean, all kinds of athletes

542
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: were having babies. Shane Culpepper is a big name that

543
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: people should know that really was kind of one of

544
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: the first Americans to have babies, and she ran great

545
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: with her babies. But for me, that was this like,

546
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: WHOA what am I doing? And I think that was

547
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: the first time where my heart was telling me maybe

548
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: this running thing isn't what I need to do anymore.

549
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: I didn't want to do second runs, you know, I

550
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: didn't want to get to the gym. I wanted to

551
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: be at home when Charlie got home from work and

552
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: play with Ruby. And then so I kind of that

553
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: was the first taste of it. And then I got

554
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: going a little bit. It was probably you know, two

555
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: years after right before I got pregnant with Everett, where

556
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, maybe I will give it a

557
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: go again. And then I was still kind of cut

558
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: in corners. And so I think that that was the

559
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: big eye opener for me where I just wasn't giving

560
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: it my all anymore. And to be world class at anything,

561
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: or to be very successful at anything, you have to

562
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: be willing to sacrifice a lot of things. And I

563
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: don't really love that word, but it's that's true. So

564
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: the sacrifice wasn't more appealing to me than dealing with

565
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: insecurity of not knowing where to go next.

566
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Speaker 3: Two things to double click on.

567
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 2: The first thing is this idea of finding joy in

568
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 2: the journey as you go toward your goals. And it

569
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 2: can be totally normal to set a goal and realize

570
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 2: as you embark on the journey that gets you to

571
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 2: this goal that it's not what you'd thought or that you'd.

572
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 3: Hoped it would be.

573
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 2: And it takes a big person to stake a step

574
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 2: back from that, right So in your case, for you

575
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 2: to say, listen, like, this isn't what i'd hoped it

576
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 2: would be and like accept that that's cool. That's not

577
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 2: to say that, you know, every person that goes out

578
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 2: on a similar journey will have the same experience, because,

579
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 2: as you said and articulated so well, there are so

580
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 2: many stellar women that have stepped into motherhood while still

581
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 2: excelling in.

582
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 3: Sport to some sort of a way.

583
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 2: But the second thing to double click on is that.

584
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 3: You did excel.

585
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 2: It just wasn't on that stage, right, because you did

586
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 2: get back to running again.

587
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: I did get back to running again, and then I

588
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: started putting my focus into my broadcast work, which you know,

589
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: I sometimes forget that they're really there. Now we're getting

590
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: more female voices out there, but when I started, there

591
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: were really only a few of us.

592
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 3: You know.

593
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: Catherine Switzer was leading the charge, right, Dina Castor was

594
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: dabbling into it a little bit, Julie Benson was dabbling

595
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: a little. But I mean, I'm proud of that when

596
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,239
Speaker 1: I look back, I'm proud of how many things I

597
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: was able to do, still being in this sport, still

598
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: getting like my cup filled, just not running fast anymore. Right,

599
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: So I did get back to running. I did go

600
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: and run a marathon for the first time four months

601
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: after having Everett. That was an amazing kind of resurgence

602
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: for me in the sport of running. I did not

603
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: get back to elite running, but it was still good running.

604
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just my my life was shifting, and

605
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: that's okay, it's still shifting. I just turned down a

606
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: really big opportunity to coach at Division one and it

607
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: was because I put my family first again, and I

608
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: think that's okay. At the end of the day, it's okay.

609
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: I still have super big insecurities, like, oh my gosh,

610
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: I could have had tuition paid for with three kids,

611
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: I would have had a steady paycheck. I would have

612
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: been able to influence these lovely young women. But it

613
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: wasn't the right time and my family had to come first.

614
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: And it was sort of the same way back after

615
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: having Ruby. It wasn't the right time for me to

616
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: be racing. I had to put my family first, and

617
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: life just shifted. So I put my broadcasts on the

618
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: front burner. And you know, ten fifteen years later here, well, no,

619
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: twenty years later, I'm still doing broadcasts. I'm still in

620
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: the running world, and I'm a mommy.

621
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Speaker 2: I love also your definition of like not running super

622
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 2: fast it's probably so different than ninety nine nine people

623
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 2: listening to this podcast.

624
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: Yeah I did. I was trying to say it was

625
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: an elite level, right, Like, so I think of elite

626
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: marathoners as like, you know, making Olympic trials. I'm not

627
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: making the Olympic trials, but I'm having fun doing it.

628
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 3: That's amazing. That's amazing.

629
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 2: So as you have reframed the narrative, and I think

630
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 2: that's actually like a really good phrase for us to

631
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 2: use here, recognizing that we each have that opportunity, right,

632
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 2: because there are so many different insecurities that someone could

633
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 2: be using running to run through. Maybe it is navigating

634
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 2: for me at times I would be ormiss if by

635
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 2: an admit like body dysmorphia, having undergone a major weight

636
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 2: loss in my life. Maybe you are running through insecurity

637
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 2: of feeling as though you're not enough at your job,

638
00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 2: or struggling through the way that you're navigating a personal relationship.

639
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 2: There are so many different ways that we can reframe

640
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 2: the narrative. So for you, as you've gotten older, what

641
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 2: tools do you have in the toolbox, aside from lacing

642
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 2: up your sneakers to help you reframe the narrative? As

643
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 2: insecurity peeps in Yeah.

644
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 1: I mean I have learned and we talk about this

645
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: a lot. So many athletes say they've learned these life

646
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 1: lessons on the track or on the roads, and you

647
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 1: really have. You know, the journey that gets us to

648
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: the start line and to the finish line is a

649
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 1: pretty powerful one. So I lean on that a lot.

650
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: I mean I go back to thinking about missing the

651
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: five thousand meter team in two thousand and four and

652
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 1: then coming back and surprising everybody and winning that fifteen

653
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Speaker 1: hundred in one hundred and sixteen degree heat. I mean,

654
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: it was amazing how tough we had to be that day,

655
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: and for me to know I did it has fueled

656
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: me for a lifetime. But there's been a lot of

657
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: other things that have just kind of kept me going.

658
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: And I think that for me, I just want to

659
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: live this life that I'm proud of. And I think

660
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: when I look back and say, what would I be

661
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: proud of is just knowing that I'm okay to get gritty.

662
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: I want to get after it. You know that's my saying.

663
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: I want to keep being a rock star human being,

664
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Speaker 1: which you know, in my world is one that just

665
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: is excited to tackle things that seem hard and not

666
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: be afraid of failing. So you know, when that red

667
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 1: light goes on. Now, with every camera that I'm in

668
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: front of, I know I'm going to get maybe some

669
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: backlash for things I say, but I hope I bring

670
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: the kind out and I hope I relay the stories

671
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: of athletes and make sure that I'm just showing the

672
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 1: passion of life that I have. And so you know,

673
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: it's just I just want to be able to live

674
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: a life that I'm excited about and proud of. So

675
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: I think people can do that as well. When you

676
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 1: have insecurities in life, I think just looking at yourself

677
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: in the mirror and just really digging deep to see

678
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: what you want to do. And I need like you

679
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: to ask me these questions because sometimes I forget. And

680
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: You've been on a different journey and I'm one of

681
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: the most amazing ones to follow. It's so fun to

682
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: see the joy you find in life. But yet you

683
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: share your hurdles, right, You share your ups and downs,

684
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: and that's what I want to do as well.

685
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 3: I appreciate you.

686
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting to hear you talk about being

687
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 2: in front of the camera and when that red light

688
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 2: goes on because that's kind of where I wanted to

689
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 2: head next. Granted, you have now years of experience in

690
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 2: this industry, but it is almost expected, and it would

691
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,760
Speaker 2: be odd if you didn't have to navigate the feelings

692
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 2: of insecurity that go hand in hand with putting yourself

693
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,280
Speaker 2: out there, asking hard questions in front of large groups

694
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 2: of people and having your own opinions at times. How

695
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 2: have you gotten to this place where you do see

696
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 2: the positive and what you get to do instead of

697
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 2: harping on what can be.

698
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 3: The negative aspects.

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00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean I have been lucky for most of

700
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 1: my career that I haven't had a lot of people

701
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: say nasty things, but I do think they're always right there.

702
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: You know, there are people. I've had an incidant last

703
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: fall where I comment on Molly's sidel and she was

704
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 1: high fiving her sister during the marathon, and it came out, Okay,

705
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: I am a mom. I said behave because I say

706
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: behave every day to my kids. But what she did

707
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: was she high fived and I didn't know it was

708
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: her sister, but it was right in thunder Alley and

709
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: that's where most moves are made, and so I was

710
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: just saying, Oh my gosh, she should behave here now

711
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: because this is the exciting time she went up to

712
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: high five. Everyone gets super pumped there. We talk about

713
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: in every broadcast because that is the moment that is

714
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: almost a game changer in most of the races in

715
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: New York where the elite group breaks up because somebody

716
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: gets excited and they go fast, you know, when they're

717
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: when the crowds are so loud or their energy just

718
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: feels like they're on fire and they want to go

719
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: hard there and then things, you know, still have a

720
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: long ways to run.

721
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Speaker 3: Is this the mile sixteen turn?

722
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I've never heard it called thunder Alley before.

723
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 3: Huh Okay, I keep going.

724
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: Well, there's a bunch of different things, right, No, I

725
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: love that. I love that.

726
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 2: So we're referencing the mile sixteen point right after you

727
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 2: come off the Queensboro in the New York City Marathon.

728
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: And it's loud for like two months, so loud.

729
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 2: I mean I knew exactly what you were talking about

730
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 2: without ever hearing that phrase before.

731
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so after the race, there was all kinds of

732
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 1: backlash for me. Well, they just said the commentator and

733
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: I think they're just having fun with it. But that

734
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: was really hard on me because Mollie is I'd like

735
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 1: to call her a good friend of mine because I'm

736
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: just you know, I'm always around her and we chat

737
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: and things. And I've watched her run since she was little.

738
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: She's from, you know, right around my area here in

739
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: the Midwest, in Wisconsin. I've seen her at foot locker NCAA's.

740
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: I love that girl. I would never say anything bad

741
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: about her, but I said she needs to behave here.

742
00:38:58,840 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

743
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: I was excited it and I just got right and

744
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: it was hard, and I still I still kind of

745
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: get like butterflies like her mom likes everything on my

746
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: Facebook and on Instagram, and I like Molly's cool with it.

747
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 1: She's on my podcast the next week. But knowing that

748
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 1: people thought I was being mean killed me. So those

749
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: are the hard times. But it's a really exciting job

750
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 1: and I love it because I get to talk about

751
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 1: a sport that I love so much, and I get

752
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: to talk about the people that really I love so much,

753
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,439
Speaker 1: like in a different sense, but I love talking about

754
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: the athletes. So there's definitely insecurities in my role. But

755
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: I think my role is needed, whether it's my voice

756
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: or someone else's, we need it, so I'm willing to

757
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: put up with it.

758
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 3: I love that. I love that, all right, Carrie.

759
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 2: Right now, if you had to identify one of your

760
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 2: favorite pieces of running gear, what would it be?

761
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 1: Running gear?

762
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:55,240
Speaker 2: Oh?

763
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: Well, I guess I'd have to say my shoes, because

764
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: what shoes are we running it? I run in everything now,

765
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: I do. But I will tell you you and I

766
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:08,240
Speaker 1: saw each other at the Adidas headquarters and hertze Canal, Germany.

767
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 3: You say it. You say all of that so eloquently.

768
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, with a little at the end. But so the

769
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 1: three stripes for me have been family, you know. They

770
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: have supported me for years. But I do get to

771
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: run in a lot of different shoes now because I'm

772
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 1: at different events, and it's been good for me not

773
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:31,280
Speaker 1: to have a sponsor because I can wear the event

774
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 1: sponsored gear. So I'd have to say I'll go with

775
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 1: three stripes any day. But I wear all kinds of models,

776
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 1: and I think it's been good for my feet, to

777
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: be honest, to switch it up. I don't wear the

778
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 1: same shoe more than two days in a row.

779
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm kind of the same way unless

780
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 2: I'm traveling and I bring like one sneaker with me,

781
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,959
Speaker 2: which has been an acquired skill because I am known

782
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 2: to travel with way too many pairs of sneakers at once.

783
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: I know they're so cute. I mean, how often do

784
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: you actually throw a pair of shoes who away?

785
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 3: Though I throwing away is a strong term.

786
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,879
Speaker 2: I end up running through them to the point where

787
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 2: they get thrown away. Unless it's like a carbon plated shoe,

788
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 2: then that shoe, like, we'll get to a point where

789
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 2: it's like they only have so many good miles in

790
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 2: them to begin with. Otherwise I'm donating a lot of

791
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 2: my like worn sneakers to Goodwill, which for me, after

792
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 2: a certain amount of miles, it might be like, Okay,

793
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 2: like this shoe isn't as good as it could be,

794
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 2: but it's great for someone who may not be using

795
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 2: it or pounding it into the pavement as much as

796
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 2: I would be.

797
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 1: That's so good of you. Yeah, I mean I kind

798
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: of wear my shoes out, Like I'm do you ever

799
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: wash your shoes? I wash my shoes.

800
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I wash them. I throw them in the

801
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 2: washing machine and air dry. The comment the DM is

802
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 2: going to come in you air dry them, and you

803
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 2: put newspaper in them, which these days harder to find.

804
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 3: Newspaper than it used to be.

805
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: So true, I don't a newspaper.

806
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 2: I make myself read some of it as a dedicated

807
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,399
Speaker 2: journalist before I just like crumble it up and put

808
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 2: it into the shoe to air dry. But yeah, I

809
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 2: just put them, like two to three pairs max in

810
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 2: the washer on a spin cycle.

811
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 1: Yeah me too. I like a white or clean pair

812
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: of shoes, so yeah, I will. I will wear my

813
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 1: shoes for a long time, even after they're sort of

814
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 1: not good for the run anymore. But my house is

815
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 1: sort of exploding with shoes.

816
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 3: Exploding with shoes.

817
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 2: Okay, so we like a three stripe sneaker. And then

818
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 2: are you This is ironic to ask you because of

819
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 2: what you do a podcast listener or a music listener.

820
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 2: And if you go the music route, can you give

821
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 2: us a track from your running playlist?

822
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: So I don't listen to a lot of things when

823
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: I run, which is crazy because I'm a podcaster, but

824
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: I like to be outside. I'd love to hear the birds.

825
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 1: I'm a little scared on the run, to be honest.

826
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: If I'm running by myself. I'm always running a little scared,

827
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: which is sort of sad, but I've had enough incidents

828
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 1: in life that I just I want to be aware.

829
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: So that being said, if I'm around the house, like

830
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: cleaning or cooking or whatever, I like to put on

831
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: a good podcast. The Hurdle is one of them. I

832
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: like to listen to Ali on the Run, I'm good

833
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: friends with you too, Rambling Runner, Another Mother Runner, all

834
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: these fun ones. I'm not really one to listen to,

835
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: like a murder. I'd rather sit down and watch that.

836
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: But if I can go dancing, girl, I won't get

837
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 1: off the dance floor. I love a little Bruno Mars.

838
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: I love eighties big hairbands justin Timberlake. I don't know,

839
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 1: I love it all. So I'm not one to run

840
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: with things in my ears, but I am one to

841
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 1: listen when I'm at home or on the dance floor.

842
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like the sentiment of I always run a

843
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 2: little scared is like a whole other podcast. We won't

844
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 2: get into it now, but I do think that at

845
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 2: least it's important and valuable that you have a sense

846
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 2: of awareness about where you're at and what you're doing.

847
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 3: If you're heading out alone at any time of day.

848
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 3: I feel like that's like a necessary disclaimer here.

849
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: It is, for sure. I mean I run with a

850
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: lot of friends and that's my fun time.

851
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 3: You know.

852
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: I travel most weekends for work, and then I'm at

853
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: kids events when I'm not traveling, And so for me

854
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: to call up a friend and say, hey, can we

855
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,919
Speaker 1: go at five thirty in the morning, and usually I'll

856
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 1: find somebody. But if I'm alone, you know, I just

857
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: make sure everyone knows where I'm at and when I'll

858
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: be back and things like that. So all's good. I

859
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: just I do run a little scared.

860
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 3: All's good. Okay, final question for you here, Carrie. Right now, you.

861
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 2: Have the opportunity to offer yourself a piece of advice

862
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 2: when you think back to navigating the insecurities that came

863
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 2: hand in hand with getting back to running. Looking at

864
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:52,879
Speaker 2: running a little bit differently after having your kids, what

865
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 2: do you tell yourself now with what you know looking

866
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 2: back on that time.

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Speaker 1: I think, don't be as scared of it. You know,

868
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: I was scared of what life was going to give

869
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: me because I was going to change my body and

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Speaker 1: And not everyone wants to have children or you know,

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Speaker 1: sadly can't have children. But the journey to motherhood for

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Speaker 1: lost a baby in between Everett and Greer, which is

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Speaker 1: heart wrenching to talk about, and it was super hard

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Speaker 1: for me. But I wouldn't change that either. I don't

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Speaker 1: think like I just learned so much about me. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: the ups and downs, the hurdles we face in life,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think it's just how you kind of

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Speaker 1: react to them, remember them, live through them, and hopefully

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Speaker 1: be better tomorrow than you were today. I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: really what I always think about. I want to be

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Speaker 1: better tomorrow than I am today, and I don't want

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Speaker 1: people to be scared of what tomorrow is. I have

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Speaker 1: been scared at times time, but it always works out.

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Speaker 1: You always figure it out. Yeah, we'll figure it out.

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Speaker 1: And if you are a little bit nervous, you call

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Speaker 1: up Emily and say, hey, can you just talk to

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Speaker 1: me for a little bit, because you always bring the positivity,

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Speaker 1: and that's the thing. I just want to keep finding

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Speaker 1: friends and people in my corner that lift me up.

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Speaker 1: I don't ever want to be around people that don't.

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Speaker 3: And I think that that and I was going to

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Speaker 3: say this before.

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Speaker 2: But that idea of like you're the sum of the

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Speaker 2: people that you keep closest to you. When you are

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Speaker 2: navigating insecurity in any capacity, that's always like a really

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Speaker 2: important audit to do, like who are you surrounding yourself

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Speaker 2: with and are they helping you get through whatever hurdle

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Speaker 2: it is that you're going through in that moment. And

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Speaker 2: that's why at times like there are relationships that come

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Speaker 2: for a season and that's okay, that's part of.

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Speaker 1: Life exactly, or even there's times when you can be

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Speaker 1: with people like that, but you have to know win

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Speaker 1: enough is enough. I have these conversations all the time,

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Speaker 1: no Emily, because I am a mother of a twelve

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Speaker 1: year old girl, and you know, those those years are hard,

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Speaker 1: those junior high years are hard, especially for girls, I think,

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Speaker 1: And so we're having these conversations about you know, you

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Speaker 1: can be friends with everybody, and I want her to

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Speaker 1: be that girl that's friends with everybody. But I think

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Speaker 1: I'm seeing myself in her, and you know, just making

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Speaker 1: sure she wants to be kind even if people aren't

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Speaker 1: kind back. And I think there's a time and place

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Speaker 1: for that. You have to save space for people that

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Speaker 1: need you as well.

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Speaker 2: I love that sentiment, Carrie. I'm so grateful that we

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Speaker 2: were able to make this happen. If they don't follow

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Speaker 2: along with you just yet, how do hurdlers keep up

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Speaker 2: with you? How do they follow along with you? Give

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Speaker 2: us all of your details.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well, I am not nearly as good as you

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Speaker 1: are on social media, but you can find me on

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Speaker 1: Instagram at Carrie Tullison or see Tolly Ronn as my

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Speaker 1: podcast and we have a new episode every Thursday. We

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Speaker 1: love sharing people's journey of getting after life, and so yeah,

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Speaker 1: you can find me there, or you can find me

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Speaker 1: hopefully at a lot of the major marathons or some

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Speaker 1: of the track events road races. I do a lot

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Speaker 1: of broadcast work there and I just enjoy the sport

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Speaker 1: so much. I enjoy whether you are in front of

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Speaker 1: the pack, in the back of the pack, in the middle,

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. We all have our own journey of

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Speaker 1: putting one foot in front of the other. And I

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Speaker 1: just would love to meet you all, so come follow me.

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Speaker 1: I'll follow you back.

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Speaker 2: I'm over at Emily a Body an at Hurdle podcast,

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Speaker 2: Another hurdle conquered.

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Speaker 3: Catch you guys next time.