1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: What Stio three breaks and in the middle of the 2 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:11,039 Speaker 1: FEI he loves football. 3 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 2: Down in the one yard line. 4 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 3: How about that? 5 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 2: That is the ultimate kabash and we are underway. Hello everyone, 6 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 2: Welcome back to another episode of the Action Network NFL podcast. 7 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 2: I am Matthew Friedman, the editor in chief of Fantasy Labs, 8 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 2: and with me is Ian Harditz, the director of the 9 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 2: Fantasy Labs NFL platform, and an Action Network analyst. You 10 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 2: can follow him in the Action Network app at Iheartits In. 11 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 2: We are officially one week removed from the first day 12 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 2: of the NFL Draft. I'm still in something of a 13 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 2: post draft hangover. I'm wondering how you are doing. 14 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 4: I'm doing great, man. I was waiting for all these 15 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 4: rosters against set. 16 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 3: Really I'm not as into, I guess, scouting the prospects 17 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 3: before their on their teams as some other guys. So 18 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 3: it was almost like Christmas Day for me was the draft. 19 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:06,199 Speaker 3: Now I'm just opening all my presents for the next 20 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 3: week after. So I'm still in a great mood. Yeah, 21 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 3: I mean for me, I guess maybe it's something like. 22 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 2: Halloween where you get all of this candy and then 23 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 2: you eat it all at once and then you just 24 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 2: crash from your sugar high. So that's what I feel. 25 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 2: I've been in a sugar induced coma. But yeah, So 26 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 2: for this episode, we're going to talk about all the 27 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 2: things kind of post draft. So we're going to talk 28 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 2: about a piece in that you wrote on rookie year 29 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 2: production and how it relates to draft position. We're going 30 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 2: to look at my Dynasty rookie rankings which are available 31 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 2: on the site. We will highlight some veteran winners and losers, 32 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 2: and we will touch on my top two hundred Dynasty 33 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 2: rankings which are also on the site. So a packed show, 34 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 2: let's jump into it. Ian. What did you find in 35 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 2: your article looking at draft position and how it correlates 36 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 2: to rookie year production. 37 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I went ahead and I pulled every person 38 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 3: that got drafted from quarterbacks, running backs, wide receivers, and 39 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 3: tight ends over the last ten years and just wanted 40 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 3: to see what rounds were the top rookie performers coming in. 41 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 3: I define that as just finishing the season in the 42 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 3: top twenty and PPR at your position. Big takeaways were, 43 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 3: in general, you want to be drafted in the top 44 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 3: three rounds to really get a chance to contribute as 45 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:20,959 Speaker 3: a rookie doesn't mean that you can't be a six 46 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 3: round pick, but it's just rare, and I think that 47 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 3: has to do with both the talent of the players 48 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 3: getting picked higher generally, and also, you know, if you're 49 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 3: a general manager, it makes sense for you to give 50 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 3: chances to the players. 51 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 4: That you drafted high because it doesn't really look good 52 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 4: for you. 53 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 3: If you're bringing it undrafted running back that's all of 54 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 3: a sudden better than your third round pick. So just 55 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:40,679 Speaker 3: those two fourths I think have kind of worked hand 56 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 3: in hand to generally give high round draft picks more 57 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 3: opportunities earlier in their career, which I think makes sense, 58 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 3: but it has been more severe at different positions, Like 59 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 3: we have a few more examples of late round running 60 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 3: backs and tight ends posting big numbers of the year 61 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,679 Speaker 3: over the years, but much more rare for quarterbacks and 62 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:00,080 Speaker 3: wide receivers. But big thing the note with the rook 63 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 3: is I think for the most part, we can ignore 64 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 3: tight ends. I know this year's class has a couple 65 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 3: of good ones and Fan Hawkinson, but over the last 66 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 3: ten years, only Evan Ingram has been a top ten 67 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 3: fantasy tight end, and he needed a four game season 68 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 3: from Odell Beckham junior because he broke his ankle. 69 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 4: Pretty early on, so a really tough stretch for them. 70 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 3: And then in terms of the quarterbacks, it's kind of 71 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 3: been the same deal where pretty tough to find a 72 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 3: rookie one unless they're gonna be prominently featured as a 73 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 3: starter from day one. Only five quarterbacks drafted outside of 74 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 3: the first round have went on the post of Top 75 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 3: twenty season as a rookie over the past ten years. 76 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 3: Each of them had some fairly unique circumstances that got 77 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 3: him there. So that was kind of big takeaways, not 78 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 3: you know, overly. I guess it wasn't anything that was 79 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 3: too shocking, but you know, just keep in mind that 80 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 3: maybe when there's that running back that you were super 81 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 3: into before the draft that has landed on a team 82 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 3: in round six, maybe we shouldn't expect the most of 83 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 3: your one production. 84 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, makes a lot of sense. I mean, I wouldn't 85 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 2: say it's a hard and fast rule, but I mean 86 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 2: it pretty much is. If a guy isn't if a 87 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 2: rookie isn't drafted in the top one hundred pig in 88 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 2: the NFL draft, I pretty much don't look at him 89 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 2: for year one. The only time in which I made 90 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 2: an exception was Alfred Morris, which I got really lucky, 91 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 2: and that was pretty much just because of Shanahan and 92 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 2: just because there wasn't an established running back on that 93 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,559 Speaker 2: team and Alfred Morris was getting some hype. But yeah, 94 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 2: for the most part, anyone not drafted in the top 95 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 2: three rounds can pretty much be ignored. And let's talk 96 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 2: about these quarterbacks real quick. 97 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,359 Speaker 4: On Alfred Morris, Yeah, you nail one of the four 98 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 4: non top three round back backs. 99 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 3: To post the top twenty season as a rookie over 100 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 3: the past ten years. The only other ones your other boy, 101 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:36,799 Speaker 3: Zach State. 102 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 2: Zach Stacy and that year too, but that wasn't like 103 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 2: a before the season thing. That was a middle of 104 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 2: the year thing. 105 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 4: For sure, for sure. 106 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 3: And then we had Jordan Howard and Pholp Lindsay as well, 107 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 3: so a little bit different circumstances, but what a group 108 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 3: of guys. But yeah, okay, so and then I also 109 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 3: wrote an article right after the kind of first day 110 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 3: of the draft looking at the first round quarterbacks because 111 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 3: if your first round quarterback, there's a really good chance 112 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 3: you're going to play. I know, we've had the patch 113 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 3: Mahomes Aaron Rodgers kind of years where they received a 114 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 3: little more time off. You know, Mahomes end start till 115 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 3: week seventeen. Rogers took the first two or three years 116 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 3: of his care off. But in general, first round quarterbacks 117 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 3: have started nine point two games as a rookie since 118 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 3: two thousand and ten of sixteen first round quarterbacks have 119 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 3: started at least ten games over the last five seasons. 120 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 3: So you get drafted in the first round, you're probably 121 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 3: gonna get a chance to play sooner rather than later. 122 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 4: Now, there only have been. 123 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 3: Four of fifty three first round quarterbacks since two thousand 124 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 3: that finished their rookie year is a top ten fantasy quarterback. 125 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 3: Those players are RG three, Andrew Luck, Cam Newton, and 126 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 3: Vince Young. Deshaun Watson and Jay Cutler also qualify if 127 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 3: we just look at fantasy points per game. So common 128 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 3: theme with those guys running quarterbacks and guys that aren't 129 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 3: afraid to throw the ball downfield. So I looked at 130 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 3: our top three quarterbacks, our top three first round quarterbacks 131 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 3: this year, and far and away, Kyler Murray is looking 132 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 3: like a fantasy superstar because he had already had over 133 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 3: a thousand yards rushing in college. Remember, I mean that 134 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 3: includes sacks, so that's even more spectacular. 135 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 4: Twelve rushing touchdownsill of an athletic. But just look at 136 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 4: the deep passing too. 137 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 3: This is what really separates Murray because among fifty three 138 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 3: draft eligible quarterbacks, Murray ranked seventh, and average target depth 139 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 3: Daniel Jones was fortieth Dwayne Hassens was forty third. 140 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 4: And it wasn't just how frequently they were throwing. 141 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 3: Deep, how effectively Murray was first in deep ballyards per 142 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 3: a temp rate. 143 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 4: Haskins was twentieth and Jones was forty four. 144 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 3: So please again, do not play Daniel Jones under any circumstance, 145 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 3: any fantasy format, and give me all the Kyler Murray man. 146 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 4: I mean, I haven't. 147 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 3: Sat down really mapped out my quarterback rankings for this year, 148 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 3: but I would not be surprised at all if Murray's 149 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 3: a top ten fantasy quarterback. 150 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 4: I might even go as far as predicting Anderson. 151 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, thinking about this a little more holistically, like branching 152 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 2: out from fantasy to the prop market. On Rookie of 153 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 2: the Year, I think Kyler Murray has a great chance 154 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 2: to win Rookie of the year. And those guys you 155 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 2: mentioned who have been top ten fantasy quarterbacks as rookies, 156 00:06:56,080 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 2: Andrew Luck, Cam Newton, Vince Young. Yeah in RG three, right, 157 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 2: those are guys who won offensive Rookie of the Year awards. 158 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 2: And Kyler Murray is very much in that vein and 159 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 2: you can find him in the market out there anywhere 160 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 2: from plus two fifty to plus six hundred, and at 161 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 2: plus six hundred he is just a total steal. I've 162 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 2: smashed that as hard as I can, so definitely something 163 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 2: to look at. But I totally agree Murray is someone 164 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 2: I'm going to invest in heavily for fantasy purposes, both 165 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 2: for Dynasty and also even just for twenty nineteen, because 166 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 2: I think this is the one year you really have 167 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 2: a shot at him after this I think I guess 168 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 2: I should say I'm expecting him to do well this year. 169 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 2: So after this year, I think people are going to 170 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 2: be really on top of him. So I think this 171 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 2: is the year to get him at a discount and redraft. 172 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 2: Let's talk about some of the other rookies, the other 173 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 2: positions for potential breakouts in year one. 174 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, so, like we were saying, if you're not a 175 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 3: first round quarterback or you don't have an immediate and 176 00:07:58,200 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 3: you know starting job lined up for you, it's going 177 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 3: to be tough to produce as a rookie. 178 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 4: Same thing with tight ends. 179 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 3: So with that in mind, had another article, right, I 180 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 3: want to look at the top kind of fancy landing 181 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 3: spots for a bunch of these running backs and wide receivers, 182 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 3: and I really only focus on the guys in the 183 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 3: top three rounds. 184 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 4: Again, I understand it's the rule. 185 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 3: It's not going to be one hundred percent correct, but 186 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 3: for the purposes of right. 187 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 4: Now, we just focus in the top three round guys. 188 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 3: So with that in mind, identified three running backs that 189 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 3: I think have a feasible shot to earn a three 190 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 3: down role this year. 191 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 4: Number one obviously Josh Jacobs, the only first round running back. 192 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 3: I thought he had the three down roll locked up, 193 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 3: you know, the second he was drafted. But Isaiah Crowell 194 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 3: blowing out his achilles also helps. I know they resigned 195 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 3: the corpse of Doug Martin the other day, but really 196 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 3: not worry about Jacobs get an opportunity to work on 197 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 3: all three downs. General manager of Mike MAYOFK has already 198 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 3: said as much, And I mean just the history of 199 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 3: first round running backs in general, Six of the last 200 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 3: eight first round rbs finished in the top twenty and 201 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 3: touches as a rookie, so we've seen guys. I don't 202 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 3: know if Jacobs will be quite as high as you know, 203 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 3: a Zeke or Saquon Barkley finishing in the top five. 204 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 3: I mean, he couldn't absolutely have a Christian McCaffrey asqu 205 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 3: role where you know he's getting used as much as 206 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 3: their serials he as a rusher. 207 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:08,199 Speaker 4: What are your expectations for Jacobs in year one? 208 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 2: I'm really bullish on him, and not just the fact 209 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 2: that he's a first rounder. And actually, let me back 210 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 2: this up a second, I don't think that really he's 211 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 2: all that great of a player just because of some 212 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 2: of the numbers. Like the guys who have historically had 213 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 2: success as rushers in the NFL, a lot of them 214 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 2: had success as just total yardage accumulators in college and 215 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 2: that definitely isn't Jacobs. But he was efficient with the 216 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:39,559 Speaker 2: touches that he had in college. And then also first rounder, 217 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 2: he's young. He's twenty one years old as a rookie, 218 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 2: which is really significant. The guys who come in at 219 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 2: that age tend to have long term success and often 220 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 2: immediate success. You know, some of those guys Zeke Saquon, 221 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 2: Todd Gurley, like you can go back and look like 222 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 2: for the past like twenty five years, the guys who 223 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 2: have come in like that and they've had success, especially 224 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:07,079 Speaker 2: the big guys. And that's another thing. Josh Jacobs, although 225 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 2: he didn't test all that well in his athleticism, he's 226 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 2: two hundred and twenty pounds, so like he is built 227 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 2: to be a lead back. So I'm expecting him, even 228 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 2: if he's not all that talented, I'm expecting him to 229 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 2: get a lot of usage. So I will be probably 230 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 2: pretty high on him. I'll have to see sort of 231 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 2: just where he starts going in best Ball drafts to 232 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 2: know if he's someone I really want to target, but 233 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 2: I think I will be high on him. 234 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like a guy at the very least, 235 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 3: I bet his ADP will just be rising up until 236 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 3: the season starts. 237 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, all right. 238 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 3: Next running back that could get a three down roll 239 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 3: is the Bears. David Montgomery. They already have Trick Collen, 240 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 3: they signed Mike Davis, they signed quarter O Patterson the 241 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 3: off season. At least the latter two guys are looking 242 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 3: like sure best to see a good amount of work. 243 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 2: Don't bring that in here anyway. 244 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 4: Okay, okay, here we go anyway. 245 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,839 Speaker 3: So the Bears, again mentioned before, has only been four 246 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 3: out of the top three rounds that finished their rookie 247 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 3: year as the top twenty Fantasy performer. 248 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 4: Jordan Howards was one of those guys. 249 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 3: Well, the Bears shifted him off to Philadelphia for what's 250 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 3: gonna end up being around a fifth or sixth round pick. 251 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 4: Decided to trade up put a ton more. 252 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 3: Draft capital into Montgomery, really more than we've seen them 253 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 3: put in a running back in years. So Tarik Cohen, 254 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:21,319 Speaker 3: you know, he's go get his receiving. He's still I 255 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 3: think their top weapon in the backfield. We've seen some 256 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 3: rumors from beat writers about Mike Davis seting between one 257 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 3: hundred and one hundred and twenty touches. 258 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 4: I don't know about that. He's only got a one 259 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 4: year deal. 260 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 3: Really not the end of the world if he just 261 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 3: sits on the bench more. I think there's a real 262 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 3: opportunity for Montgomery to win this job. I don't know 263 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 3: if this could be from week one, though, it seems 264 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 3: to me like a situation where perhaps he ends up 265 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 3: being a better second half asset than the first half. 266 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 4: What's your read on the situation matter. 267 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that call about him being more of 268 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 2: his second half guy. I think the way that he 269 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 2: will win the job is because he's all around solid 270 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 2: and he doesn't make mistakes. He doesn't do a great 271 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 2: job of like accelerating and like breaking away, like that's 272 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 2: not his game. He's more of a kind of mark 273 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 2: Ingram type of guy in that he gets what is 274 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 2: blocked and maybe a little bit more, but you're not 275 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 2: looking on at him to be an explosive guy. But 276 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 2: he doesn't make mistakes. He doesn't like last year for instance, 277 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 2: he had no drops even though he was used pretty 278 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 2: heavily in the passing game, and no blown blocks. So 279 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 2: like that is something that I think coaches will look 280 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 2: at and be like, you know what, he's fundamentally sound. 281 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 2: He won't lose the game for us. And so that 282 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 2: sounds like the kind of guy who can work his 283 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 2: way into the lead back role, even though I think 284 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 2: he'll probably start as you know, I don't want to 285 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 2: say even a backup, but as like the third guy 286 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 2: in that committee playing behind Mike Davis as the early 287 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:44,559 Speaker 2: down guy, but because of his versatility, I expect Montgomery 288 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 2: at some point will be the lead. 289 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 3: Back all right, and third running back from the first 290 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 3: three rounds that I identify as having a realistic shot 291 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 3: at an early three down role. Miles Sanders, Philadelphia Eagles. 292 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 3: Some people thought they're gonna take Josh Jacobs when they 293 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 3: trade up ahead of Oakland, but now Philly's not about 294 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 3: that first round RB I the Eagles would never no chance, 295 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 3: no chance. Probably only the Raiders thought that Philly might 296 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 3: be doing that. But anyway, they end up in Miles Sanders. 297 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 3: A lot of I'm not sure where you see on 298 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 3: the map. I know a lot of people think that 299 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 3: Sanders is superior than Jacob's. We'll see how it works out, 300 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 3: but Eagles running back depth chart is weak pretty much. 301 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 4: The big question with Sanders. 302 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 3: Is will Doug Peterson commit to a single running back 303 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 3: because no Eagles running back has cleared fifty percent snaps 304 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 3: in the season under Peterson. Only Sproules, who got forty 305 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 3: five percent twenty sixteen even cleared forty percent. Now, I 306 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 3: think the stats a little bit telling, but also, like 307 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 3: we did, we have seen them make efforts to get 308 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 3: that three down guy they traded for Jjiyah. 309 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 4: He kind of got. 310 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 3: Injured before he could get fully rolling. I feel like 311 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 3: they wanted Corey Clement, maybe Josh Adams, Like they wanted 312 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 3: these guys to seize the job over the years, and 313 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 3: no one really ever did. 314 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 4: So. 315 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 3: I don't know if it's a running back hasn't had 316 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:57,439 Speaker 3: it a fifty percent because that's not what Peterson wants, 317 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 3: or if he just hasn't had the right running back yet. 318 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,199 Speaker 3: So I'm more inclined the more I kind of read 319 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 3: up on Miles Sanders to think he could break the 320 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 3: mold and a ball out sin er rather than later. 321 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 4: What do you think? 322 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, I like him. He was a five star recruit 323 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 2: going into Pennon State. Didn't play much for his first 324 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 2: couple of years, but that's because he was on the 325 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 2: bench behind Saquon Barkley. Like, you can't really fault him 326 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 2: for that. When he had opportunities as a true junior, 327 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 2: he was clearly the lead back. He was productive as 328 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 2: both a runner and a pass catcher. And with the Eagles, 329 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 2: they've never I mean, they haven't invested at least under 330 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 2: Doug Peterson. They haven't invested in a running back with 331 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 2: this much capital, you know, in a long time, like 332 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 2: going back to the Andy Reid era. So this is 333 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 2: a significant investment. And I think the main reason why 334 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 2: they haven't, they haven't given like the lion's chair of 335 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 2: touches to one guy, is because they haven't had that guy. 336 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 2: Like they've relied on committees of guys who are early 337 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 2: downbacks who are past their prime, like with Garrett Blunt 338 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 2: in Ryan Matthews in the first year pass catchers, who 339 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 2: are guys that get injured. Darren Sproles comes to mind. 340 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 2: Wendell Smallwood is another guy like that. And then like 341 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 2: these flash in the pan undrafted free agents like you know, 342 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 2: Corey Clement and Josh Adams. They've never had one guy 343 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 2: who is a a high caliber guy, who's young, who 344 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 2: can do it all. And that's I think that's what 345 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 2: they were thinking when they drafted this guy in the 346 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 2: second round. So given all that he can do, and 347 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 2: then given the fact that the Eagles actually invested in him, yeah, 348 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm very excited about him. He's probably the 349 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 2: one running back as a rookie, like I know, I'm 350 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 2: going to want to target. 351 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's looking like real good things for them. 352 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 3: I have real high expectation for this whole Eagles offense 353 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 3: in general this year. I think after adm Addam, DeShawn Jackson, 354 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 3: hopefully Carson wentz So actually getting a full healthy offseason, 355 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 3: then we could see big things there. 356 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. And then the addition also of left tackle Andre Dillard, 357 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 2: so that if there are any issues along the offensive line, 358 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 2: he's the best pass blocking tackle in the class. So 359 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 2: you know, if there's an injury, I think he could 360 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 2: step in and be almost as good as the guy 361 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 2: he's replacing. 362 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's definitely huge for them. Okay, moving on to 363 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 4: wide receivers here real quick. 364 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 3: So only two wide receivers drafted outside of the top 365 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 3: three rounds over the last ten years have managed to 366 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 3: post the top twenty PPR season. 367 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 4: As a rookie. 368 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 3: Those were Tyreek Hill, who slipped around five, and Buccaneers 369 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 3: Mike Williams, who is round four. I like how we've 370 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 3: had about three relevant Mike Williams in the last two decades. 371 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 2: And you know, actually one thing to think about with 372 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 2: those two guys, both of them would have been draft 373 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 2: would have been drafted higher if not for off the 374 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 2: field issues, so you know, like it's you know, they're 375 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 2: outside of the top hundred, but you kind of have 376 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 2: to think of those guys as top hundred caliber type 377 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 2: of players definitely. 378 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 3: And that's like some of these quarterbacks too, Like the 379 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 3: guys they do slip through the cracks, but they're big 380 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 3: red flag not red flags like green flags telling you 381 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,360 Speaker 3: who these guys could be. You know, Dak Prescott, fourth 382 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 3: round quarterback, gets to start the season on an offense 383 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 3: that you know, accentuations talent, so you can kind of 384 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 3: see them when they are there, even if it's a 385 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 3: little hidden in the grand scheme of things. But okay, 386 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 3: so we might disagree a little bit more on these 387 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 3: wide receivers, but I identified five guys that, you know, 388 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 3: might not be the best five receivers, but I think 389 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 3: they have the most realistic shots at securing the number 390 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 3: one or number two wide receiver job on their team. 391 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 3: The first one is Hollywood Brown with the Ravens. Unfortunately, 392 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 3: I mean, what's the wide receiver one for Baltimore gonna 393 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 3: be this year? I mean the fantasy wide receiver seventy five. 394 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,919 Speaker 3: It's just it's just so hard to tell it. Lamar Jackson. 395 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 3: I mean I was right riding up on them before this, 396 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 3: and like, Lamar Jackson just set the single season record 397 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 3: for most quarterback rush attempts and he started seven games. Yeah, 398 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 3: it was something like since two thousand, six hundred plus 399 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 3: quarterbacks have started at least seven games, and Jackson just 400 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 3: had the fourth view as pass attempts. 401 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 4: So they are not throwing the ball in Baltimore. 402 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 3: Matt, Like, I don't even know if Hollywood Brown's like 403 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 3: a boom er bus dart throw candidate this year. 404 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 4: I think he just never want to touch this passing game. 405 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not gonna be on him. I think even 406 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 2: in I mean, if there's one format, it's the best 407 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 2: ball format because he will be so boom or bust. 408 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 2: But even then, I just probably want to stay away. 409 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 2: I imagine that there would be other guys who will 410 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 2: have more boom weeks and just higher overall production relative 411 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 2: to Marquis Brown in the draft range where he will 412 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 2: be available. So I'm just I'm totally staying away. You 413 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 2: saw what happened to John Brown when they made the 414 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 2: switch to Lamar Jackson, and he just became a total 415 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 2: non entity within that offense. Even though you know, for 416 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,959 Speaker 2: the six seven weeks, nine weeks prior, whatever it was, 417 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:50,479 Speaker 2: he was having a renaissance season. So I'm just entirely 418 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 2: staying away. 419 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 4: Poor Spokey Brown gone from Lamar Jackson to Josh Allen. 420 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 3: Just oh well, getting paid now at least, yeah, yeah, 421 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 3: he's getting paid all right. Next wide receiver and my 422 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 3: personal wide receiver one from this class. I think you're 423 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 3: right there with me, Matt Nikhil Harry, I mean, can't 424 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 3: say enough good things about this situation. Pats are missing 425 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 3: two hundred and twenty three targets from last year between Gronk, 426 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 3: Chris Hogan, C PAT and Josh Gordon. Assuming Gordon doesn't return, 427 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 3: which might not be the best assumption, there are some 428 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 3: murmurs that he could return at some point this year. 429 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 3: Either way, I mean, I think there's enough lost targets 430 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 3: for Gronk for Harry to slide and has more of 431 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 3: a seam threat. And I mean we've seen him after 432 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 3: they catch make a bunch of plays too, So I mean, 433 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 3: the Patriots don't have a great history of year one 434 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 3: production from rookie receivers, but we also haven't seen him, 435 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 3: you know, Draft one in the first round, and I 436 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 3: don't think we've seen. 437 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 4: Him have a weapon like Harry. 438 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 3: Now, I mean, is it unreasonable to expect kind of 439 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 3: like wide receiver two production from Harry as a rookie. 440 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I mean I think it's I'm not going 441 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 2: to be drafting him as if he will definitely give 442 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 2: wide receiver to production because that is a really high 443 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 2: threshold for any rookie wide. But I think he's going to. 444 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 2: I think he's going to be on the field, you know, 445 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 2: Like I think he's going to be out there learning 446 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 2: the system. Like it's hard for rookie wide receivers in general. 447 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 2: And then the Patriots have I'm not going to hold 448 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 2: against them their previous inability to draft wide receivers who 449 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 2: turn out, but like they do have a complicated offensive system, 450 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 2: and I think like that will take him some time. 451 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 2: So even if he's out there, you know, even if 452 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:27,880 Speaker 2: they are depending on him as someone who is core 453 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 2: to their offense, that doesn't mean that they're going to 454 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 2: funnel a lot of targets his way. But I think 455 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 2: I don't know, like I think you could. I don't 456 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,159 Speaker 2: want to say even like one hundred targets, But like 457 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 2: I think he will be used, and I'm I'm high 458 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 2: on him long term, but I will probably be staying 459 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 2: away from him in the short term. 460 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 3: That's fair enough, and yeah, I'm with you with it. 461 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 3: It does take them a while to incorporate guys into 462 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 3: the offense. But we did see last year Josh Gordon. 463 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 3: I mean he pretty much got taken off the you know, 464 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 3: off the streets down from Cleveland. He was averaging about 465 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 3: seven targets per game before he went down. So if 466 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 3: they can't, I don't know. We'll see, because you know, 467 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 3: there's always a risk. I joined Edelman and James White 468 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 3: just combined for twenty targets, and. 469 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 4: Again, we'll think about it. 470 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 2: So like, I think seven targets per game going to 471 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 2: Josh Gordon is different than seven targets per game going 472 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 2: to Harry because Gordon is just he's a different type 473 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,400 Speaker 2: of receiver. I think he's more explosive. I think Harry's 474 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,439 Speaker 2: targets will come closer to the line of scrimmage. So 475 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 2: I just kind of don't even I don't see the 476 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 2: same production for him. 477 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:28,439 Speaker 4: That's a good point, all right. 478 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 3: Next wide receiver in San Francisco, Deebo Samuel. Interesting situation 479 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 3: here because it's one of very few teams where the 480 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 3: wide receiver one is still going to be the number 481 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,640 Speaker 3: two pass game target. Obviously, George Kittle is ingrained there, 482 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 3: and this whole situation is just so crowded at this point. 483 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 4: I counted up their roster. 484 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 3: I'm sure some of these guys, maybe, like you know, 485 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,479 Speaker 3: Kendrick Bourne Trent Taylor, will get cut before the season, 486 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 3: But as it stands, they have eleven players on offense, 487 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 3: a running back, wide receiver, tight end that have caught 488 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 3: at least twenty passes in the season before, and they 489 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 3: just added DeVos Samuel and Jalen Hurds, so who are 490 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 3: both very confident pass catches in their own right. Matt, 491 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 3: do you see anyone jumping out on this offense, I 492 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 3: mean behind George Kettle or is there gonna be enough targets? 493 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 2: It's it's really hard to know what to do because 494 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 2: there are so many receivers there. Dante Pettis is interesting, 495 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 2: and I mean conceivably he's right now the number one 496 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 2: receiver on that offense, but I think he can be 497 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 2: overtaken by Debo, who has a similar skill set but 498 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 2: is more of a legit wide receiver like Pettis in 499 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 2: college was more of a like a punt returner, kick 500 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,719 Speaker 2: returner who I wouldn't say moonlighted as a receiver, but 501 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:43,120 Speaker 2: like that wasn't his strength. Samuel is an actual receiver 502 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 2: who has ability as a return man and as a rusher. 503 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,719 Speaker 2: And I think he has probably better like all around 504 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 2: athleticism just in terms of like his size, speed combination, 505 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 2: because Pettis is a smaller guy. You know. The one 506 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,919 Speaker 2: question with I guess there are probably a couple questions 507 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 2: with Samuel would be just like how how soon can 508 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 2: he get acclimated to the NFL. But then a bigger 509 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 2: question would also be like his injury passed. He's a 510 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 2: guy who has never finished in five years of college, 511 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 2: never finished a season playing every game in that season, 512 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 2: So there are some questions about his ability to stand 513 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 2: up to the NFL grind. So I think that will 514 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 2: be something we just we have to see for a season, 515 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 2: like can he do that? But I don't know because 516 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 2: the offense will be so funneled through Kittle. And then 517 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 2: also I think like they have some good running backs, 518 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 2: Like I expect them to use their running back to 519 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 2: decent amount. I don't know if I'm going to be 520 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 2: investing in any of the wide receivers. 521 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, one thing that doesn't have me wonder about. I mean, 522 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 3: I was looking at on the show. We got a 523 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,360 Speaker 3: running back slash wide receiver slash tight end. 524 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 4: I think it's realistic. 525 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 3: Jalen Hurd could be the first Fantasy football player ever 526 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,640 Speaker 3: to get the triple designation because he played running back 527 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 3: in college. He played wide receiver in college, and now 528 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 3: Shanahan's talking about lining up with tight end. So yeah, 529 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,400 Speaker 3: even if that happens, I don't know if I'll see 530 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 3: more than five touches of the game, but something to 531 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 3: keep an eye on for sure. 532 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, that would that would be kind of cool. 533 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 3: Okay, next receiver that we'll see. We have some new 534 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 3: stuff come out today in the Tyreek kill case. But 535 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 3: Nicole Hartman is looking like a potential Week one starter 536 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 3: now for Kansas City, drafted as the heir apparent to Tyreek, 537 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 3: assuming he could be cut before Week one. A big 538 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 3: question here that I've been really trying to figure out 539 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 3: for this last week or so. We got the Marcus 540 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 3: Robinson seemingly as a wide receiver. Three, Travis Kelcey should 541 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 3: be the favorite to lead the chiefs and targets. I mean, 542 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,959 Speaker 3: is me cool Harman gonna walk into a wide receiver 543 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,120 Speaker 3: one role? Because I think it's Sammy Watkins. 544 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 2: But what do you think you're, Matt, Yeah, I think 545 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:49,360 Speaker 2: Sammy Watkins would have more targets than Hardman. It's Hardman 546 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 2: is a He's a really interesting guy. So on the 547 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 2: one hand, I think I'm seeing more of the positive 548 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 2: reasons for why people should be bullish on him relative 549 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 2: to a lot of the other people who are talking 550 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 2: about him. But at the same time, like I feel 551 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 2: like I'm also seeing a lot of the negative things 552 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 2: that other people aren't talking about. Like people are basically 553 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 2: just focusing on the number of targets available and the 554 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 2: fact that he has a skill set that is similar 555 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,239 Speaker 2: to Tyreek Hills, and then the fact that it's a 556 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 2: great offense. All that is obvious. The thing that isn't 557 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,400 Speaker 2: so obvious is that, like he's twenty one years old, 558 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 2: which is amazing, Like, that's fantastic for a receiver to 559 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 2: be that young that historically has voted very well for 560 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,679 Speaker 2: a guy long term. And also he's played wide receiver 561 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 2: for only two years, so even though he wasn't all 562 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 2: that productive. He has been reasonably productive for a guy 563 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 2: who's played that position for just two years. And he 564 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 2: actually entered college as the number two overall athlete just 565 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,199 Speaker 2: in terms of like the way that he was ranked. 566 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 2: So there are like legitimate reasons to be very excited 567 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 2: about him. At the same time, he wasn't that productive 568 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 2: in college, you know, and he's still learning the wide 569 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 2: receiver position. Like Tyreek Hill. Even though he transitioned from 570 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 2: running back to wide receiver, he was still one of 571 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 2: the best pass catching running backs of like all time 572 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,199 Speaker 2: in college, so like it wasn't as much of a 573 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 2: projection to see him going to wide receiver. So I 574 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 2: don't know, I like, I don't want to if there's 575 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 2: let me put it this way, if there's one coach 576 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 2: I would trust to turn a project into a producer, 577 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 2: it would be Andy Reid, especially with Patrick Mahomes. But 578 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 2: we are talking about a guy who's played wide receiver 579 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 2: for only two years and before that was a defensive 580 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 2: back and a running quarterback. Like it's just it's hard 581 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 2: to assume that that guy is going to be Tyreek 582 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 2: Hill right away. So I will bet against him for 583 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 2: year one. 584 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm with you I'm betting against from year to one. 585 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 3: But if there was a situation that could let him 586 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 3: do it, it would be with Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes 587 00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 3: in Kansas City. 588 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 2: So I'm just just assuming there's always going to be 589 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 2: someone who is much more optimistic on him than I 590 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 2: am in any given league I'm in, So he probably 591 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 2: won't end up on many of my teams. 592 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 4: That makes sense. 593 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 3: I was gonna say, another wide receiver that's in an 594 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 3: ideal situation I think, at least in terms of his 595 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 3: skill set is DK Metcalf. Now it's hard to say 596 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 3: any wide receiver is in an ideal situation. The league's 597 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 3: most run heavy offense, so I get that, but I mean, Metcalf, 598 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 3: all the concerns coming out were the guy can't move 599 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,400 Speaker 3: well horizontally laterally, and now he's in an offense that's 600 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 3: probably just gonna ask and run vertically almost every single route. 601 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,679 Speaker 3: I mean, we've never seen a quarterback like Russell Wilson 602 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 3: just continuously move around and be willing to chuck that 603 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 3: ball deep. I've been doing it since his days. I wisconstant, 604 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 3: even just getting bailed up by receivers one after another. 605 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 3: But Russ loves to do it. 606 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 4: I mean, come on, dude, some of those Big Ten 607 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 4: Championship throws. 608 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,879 Speaker 3: But anyway, now, DK Metcalf's only competition for reps on 609 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 3: the outside is David Moore and Gary Jennings because reportedly 610 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 3: Doug ball When is on his way towards retirement. So 611 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 3: if we're working on the assumption that Baldwin's going to retire, 612 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 3: you think Tyler Lockett, who already played about fifty or 613 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 3: sixty percent of his snaps in the slot last season, 614 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 3: you assume he'll stick the slot, and then all we 615 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,640 Speaker 3: have is David Moore, who was a very low round 616 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,360 Speaker 3: draft pick last year. Gary Jennings was a low round 617 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 3: draft pick this year. I think DK probably opens up 618 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 3: the year on starting in two wide receiver sets, but 619 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 3: I don't know if it's going to be more of 620 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 3: a fifty percent snap split or an eighty percent snap split. 621 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:29,959 Speaker 3: Either way, I don't know if it's gonna be more 622 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 3: than four to five targets per game. But I do 623 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 3: like DK Metcal's boom or bust appeal more than someone 624 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:36,119 Speaker 3: like Hollywood Brown. 625 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 2: Where yeah, yeah, Metcalf, I think for best ball leagues 626 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 2: is definitely an option because I think you're right, he's 627 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 2: going to be the vertical threats. I don't want to 628 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 2: say that's the only way that they're going to use him, 629 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 2: but like they are going to play to his strengths, 630 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 2: and Wilson is a good deep ball passer, like I 631 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 2: think that connection could be good, but as you mentioned, 632 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 2: I don't think they're going to throw to him all 633 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 2: that often. The one thing I would push back on 634 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 2: a little bit with Metcalf is that even if he 635 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 2: starts the season in two wide sets, and I think 636 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 2: that is probable, I don't know if we're going to 637 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 2: see Lockett play as much in the slot as we 638 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 2: might anticipate. And Lockett, like on his own, is a 639 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 2: good deep ball receiver like he was. He was the 640 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 2: most efficient receiver on a per target basis this last year, 641 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 2: like Gary Jennings, is a slot only receiver like he played, 642 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 2: Like I think upwards of eighty percent maybe even like 643 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 2: eighty five percent of his snaps in the slot, like 644 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 2: that is where he functions, and the Seahawks have to 645 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 2: know that, like you know, like I think he actually 646 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 2: is the replacement to Doug Baldwin in the slot instead 647 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 2: of Tyler Lockett. Not to say Lockett won't see some 648 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 2: snaps in the slot, but I think Jennings is much 649 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 2: more of the slot guy. So if we're thinking of 650 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 2: Tyler Lockett now as someone who can play on the 651 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 2: outside like deep shots, might go to him instead of 652 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 2: instead of DK Metcalf. But I guess transitioning and talking 653 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 2: a little bit more about some of these rookies who 654 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 2: are in new places and about to have some new experiences, 655 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 2: let's talk about Airbnb's experiences. You know about Airbnb if 656 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 2: you are going out of town or looking for a 657 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 2: place to stay, Airbnb is the go to site to use. 658 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 2: But whether you're on vacation or staying at home and 659 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 2: looking for something new to do, you should check out 660 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 2: Airbnb experiences, which provide access to experiences that can't easily 661 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 2: be found elsewhere. They are designed for active participation so 662 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 2: you can do something new. They are curated for quality. 663 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 2: They aren't your typical tours and activities. Airbnb experiences are 664 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 2: hosted by locals who have deep expertise in their field, 665 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 2: and with these experiences you can learn things you know 666 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 2: that you can't find online or in a textbook. Airbnb 667 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 2: experiences are betted for quality and safety, and you can 668 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 2: find these in over a thousand cities around the world. 669 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 2: You don't need to be traveling to try Airbnb experiences. 670 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 2: You can do them in your own hometown. For instance, 671 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 2: I moved to a new city a few years ago, 672 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 2: and in some ways I still feel as if I'm 673 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 2: new to the area. I want to try to do 674 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 2: more outdoor things, but I'm not sure really like what 675 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 2: there is to do or where. 676 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 4: I should do it. 677 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 2: Like, for instance, I don't know where I should go hiking. 678 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 2: So just earlier today I went to Airbnb Experiences. I 679 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 2: looked at the options in my city. I found an 680 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 2: Airbnb hiking experience and I booked it. It was really 681 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 2: easy to book, and the host who is curating the 682 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 2: experience is a naturalist with a degree in fish and 683 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 2: wildlife biology. So it's going to be legit and something 684 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 2: I'm pretty excited about. And in future episodes, I am 685 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 2: sure that I will regale you with tales of my 686 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 2: outdoor adventures. For your own adventures, check out airbnb dot 687 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 2: com slash experiences to explore one of the kind activities 688 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 2: created for the curious. Okay Ian, let's talk about some 689 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 2: of these rookies who are in new places and are 690 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 2: going to have new experiences. I did my rankings for 691 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 2: the rookies top fifty on the site, have analysis for 692 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 2: all of the guys, and then also touched on ten 693 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 2: undrafted rookies who are in some interesting landing places, guys 694 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 2: who might have some upside, and then five late round 695 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 2: quarterbacks to monitor in When you looked at the rankings, 696 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 2: who were the guys who kind of stood out that 697 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 2: you thought I just had horrible rankings on or you know, 698 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 2: guys you just want to talk about. 699 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, to make sure you check out Matt's guy 700 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 3: to his top fifty because he did pour his heart 701 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 3: and soul into and even if I do venomously disagree 702 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 3: with a couple of these. 703 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 4: I do respect his work on it. She said. 704 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 2: She said, I think it's good to have the conversations though, 705 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 2: because I mean, if anything, it will make me maybe 706 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 2: reevaluate I can make some updates. 707 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 4: You know. 708 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 2: I think it's good to have the conversations about the 709 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 2: rankings because it does help you think through things. 710 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 4: Absolutely, just like anything. 711 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 3: So what that said, how the heck is aj Brown 712 00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 3: pick number six? We're talking about Titans off I was 713 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 3: thirty first in past attempts. 714 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 4: Last year. I mean, I just jumped off to Corey Davis. 715 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 3: Truther train as fast as possible, pretty much in the 716 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 3: last couple of weeks because last season and the best 717 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 3: possible scenario for Corey Davis, Delanney Walker goes down like 718 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 3: week one or two plays sixteen games, Corey Davis finished 719 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 3: with one hundred and twelve targets. 720 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 4: Now we're adding a backwalker. We drafted AJ Brown. 721 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and we paid slot receiver phenom Adam Humphreys 722 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 3: about thirty six million to come just take all of 723 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 3: Mariota's a little dink and dunk targets. 724 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 4: So it's a low volume situation. 725 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 3: I understand you might love AJ Brown, but in what 726 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 3: world are we even approaching like fantasy relevance here in 727 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 3: the next two or three years, Because I don't see it. 728 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a long term perspective when it comes 729 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 2: to Dynasty, and so I try to look less at 730 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 2: the situation because I think people really overvalue a lot 731 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 2: of the situation, and situation can change so quickly. Mariota 732 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 2: might not even be the quarterback in twenty twenty of 733 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 2: that team. There could be a new offensive coordinator, Like 734 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 2: there's lots that could change Corey Davis, you know, like 735 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 2: might not. I don't want to say he even might 736 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 2: not be on the team in a couple of years, 737 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 2: but you know, like there are opportunities that aj Brown 738 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,799 Speaker 2: could have that people aren't necessarily taking into account, Like 739 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 2: things can change in that situation. But looking at this 740 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 2: from a team agnostic perspective, which I think is really 741 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 2: one of the best ways to try to look at 742 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,760 Speaker 2: dynasty players. He was the number four wide receiver drafted. 743 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 2: I tend to value wide receivers above some of the 744 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,839 Speaker 2: other positions because I think their career arc is more 745 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:44,800 Speaker 2: projectable and they have longer lasting careers relative to running 746 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 2: backs and tight ends. So I think it's it's a 747 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,399 Speaker 2: position in general where you want to invest. And then 748 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 2: on his own Brown has a good size, speed profile, 749 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 2: and he was super productive in college at the SEC level, 750 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 2: Like that is the type of guy that I'm going 751 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 2: to want to be invested in long term. And if 752 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 2: people are I think devaluing him because of his situation, 753 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 2: like that's that's all the better for me because that 754 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 2: means I can get a guy that I really want 755 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 2: much cheaper than the market price. So I'm still optimistic, 756 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 2: maybe even if not realistic, optimistic about what he can 757 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,240 Speaker 2: do in the NFL. But I think his situation, even 758 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 2: if it's not good, and I would say it's below average, 759 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 2: it's clearly below average, it could improve. And we have 760 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 2: seen guys even in subpar situations still have pretty good production. 761 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 2: So I'm still on aj Brown. 762 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,839 Speaker 3: Let me ask you this, was there any prospect that 763 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 3: you thought their landing spot was a worse negative than 764 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 3: what Brown got? 765 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 2: Marque's Brown? Yeah, clearly, clearly, Mark he's Brown because I 766 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:52,320 Speaker 2: mean he's the number one wide receiver drafted a first rounder. 767 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 2: By a lot of the logic that I use, he 768 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,400 Speaker 2: should be one of the guys to be drafted in 769 00:35:58,440 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 2: the first five and he's not. 770 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 4: Yeah. 771 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, If you're looking longer than next three or four years, 772 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 3: which you know you have to, so that's fair, then 773 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,720 Speaker 3: I do see how Brown could be ranked higher. 774 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,839 Speaker 2: So I mean, here's here's a question. Do you think 775 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 2: he will have more production than Corey Davis over the 776 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:13,320 Speaker 2: next three years? 777 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 4: He might? 778 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 3: Honestly, I think the best thing for both of them 779 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 3: would be changing the situation under center, which you know 780 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,840 Speaker 3: when you were talking about the potential for Corey Davis 781 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 3: to be gone next couple of years that that would help. 782 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 3: But I think the thing that would help both of 783 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 3: them the most would be getting a change under center, 784 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 3: which is a possibility under the next few years. So 785 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 3: it's not out of the realm of possibility. In the 786 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 3: next two or three years. I think Brown could outproduce Davis. 787 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,319 Speaker 3: The problem is, though, and I won't pretend to be 788 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,840 Speaker 3: I haven't had aj Brown super scouted, But wasn't he 789 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:44,840 Speaker 3: better off than the slot will miss? 790 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, so that's that's I think. I wouldn't 791 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,400 Speaker 2: say that's a common misconception, but like he he played 792 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 2: in the slot, but remember DK Metcalf was out for 793 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 2: a chunk of the last three years. Brown wasn't just 794 00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,319 Speaker 2: a slot guy. That might be the place where he 795 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,240 Speaker 2: could be most successful in the NFL. But he played 796 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,399 Speaker 2: outside too, and he had success there. So I think 797 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 2: he can. I think he can do it all. Like 798 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,799 Speaker 2: I think he can play inside or outside. I think 799 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,799 Speaker 2: he can run a variety of routes. He's big, and 800 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 2: he's fast for his size, like under four point five 801 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,800 Speaker 2: you know seconds for the forty times, so like pretty 802 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:23,360 Speaker 2: impressive all around, even if like I'm saying that, I 803 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,759 Speaker 2: think in the long term you have to have that perspective. 804 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 2: I think he could even be more productive in the 805 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 2: short term than people anticipate. Like remember, like DeAndre Hopkins 806 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,440 Speaker 2: had just a totally horrible situation for years with the 807 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,319 Speaker 2: Texans and was still productive. 808 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:36,840 Speaker 4: You know. 809 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,080 Speaker 2: I think like the cream tends to rise and aj 810 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,760 Speaker 2: Brown is I think like the top of this class. 811 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, and we should also kind of prepare ourselves for 812 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 3: a better version. 813 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,879 Speaker 4: Of the Titans offense. I think this year Mariota has. 814 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,239 Speaker 3: Never had a group of weapons as good, and their 815 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 3: offensive line kind of took a step back lashing and 816 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 3: I think what people were expecting so could. 817 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 4: Be a sneaky situation monster there a little bit. 818 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,279 Speaker 3: But all right, stick on the wide receivers here you have, 819 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 3: We'll talk about these four guys. You have Paris Campbell 820 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 3: as your ninth pick, Deebo Samuel at thirteenth, JJ Arciga 821 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 3: Whiteside at fourteenth, and mi Cole Hartman at fifteenth. 822 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,760 Speaker 4: Personally, I don't see. 823 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 3: How a guy that looks like he's being set up 824 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,400 Speaker 3: to be one of Patrick Mahomes's top two receivers for 825 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 3: the next half decade or so is behind these guys. 826 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 3: But I wouldn't call mi Cole Harbon necessarily a better 827 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 3: receiver prospect than of those guys. So I know this 828 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 3: again kind of goes in the landing spot, But I 829 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 3: think this is a little bit unique because we're looking 830 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 3: at guys with Mahomes, Wentz, Garoppolo. We can kind of 831 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 3: safely assume these guys are gonna be catching balls from 832 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,520 Speaker 3: the same quarterback for next five to ten years. 833 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:48,680 Speaker 4: What are your thoughts going on in these rankings? 834 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I will admit that I am probably lower 835 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,800 Speaker 2: on Hardman than a lot of the people in the industry, 836 00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,799 Speaker 2: and that's fine. Like, if people want to take him 837 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,719 Speaker 2: in round one, well I'll let that happen. I mean, 838 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 2: we are talking about a guy who has a great 839 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 2: situation and has a lot of other factors that go 840 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,879 Speaker 2: into it. Again, the second round draft price, twenty one 841 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:16,160 Speaker 2: years old, those two things combined are pretty impressive. I 842 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 2: could be very wrong about this, but ar Sega Whiteside 843 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,880 Speaker 2: has a good athletic profile. I think he's in a 844 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,959 Speaker 2: good situation, and he was productive for three straight years 845 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 2: at Stanford. He was the number one receiver there for 846 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,600 Speaker 2: three straight years. Deebo Samuel was the top receiver on 847 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:35,279 Speaker 2: his team for multiple years, has multiple ways of producing. 848 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,280 Speaker 2: Harris Campbell, he didn't produce right away. He didn't produce 849 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,359 Speaker 2: until his final year at Ohio State. But he has 850 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:48,279 Speaker 2: a fantastic elite like uber elite physical profile in terms 851 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,759 Speaker 2: of his size and his speed and his explosiveness. He 852 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,120 Speaker 2: was a top twenty five recruit when he entered Ohio State, 853 00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,680 Speaker 2: and he was very productive this past year. And he 854 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,279 Speaker 2: can get his production and variety of ways. So I'm 855 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,439 Speaker 2: looking at three guys, and I think, like all three 856 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,600 Speaker 2: of them, they have good quarterbacks, you know, like once 857 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 2: A Garoppolo Andrew Luck. They have good quarterbacks. All of 858 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 2: them are capable, all of them have good physical profiles. 859 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,800 Speaker 2: All of them were productive in college, much more productive 860 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,400 Speaker 2: than Micole Hartman was. Like, I would basically have to 861 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:27,800 Speaker 2: be prioritizing above those guys the potential and the landing 862 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,120 Speaker 2: spot that Hardman has over what those guys have already 863 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,000 Speaker 2: shown that they can do. And I just I haven't 864 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,760 Speaker 2: found success in doing that in my own dynasty endeavors 865 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,879 Speaker 2: in the past, So I just I can't put him 866 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,320 Speaker 2: above guys who have actually done it already. 867 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm probably weighing the year one impact a little 868 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:50,280 Speaker 3: bit heavier than you as well. The Paris Campbell's situation 869 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,239 Speaker 3: is real interesting. So I think on the surface, you know, 870 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,640 Speaker 3: he's probably not going to crack the two wide receiver 871 00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,120 Speaker 3: sets to start with a TI there, and they're paying 872 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:02,160 Speaker 3: Devin Funches thirteen million for this first year. But looking 873 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,480 Speaker 3: at the next year and beyond, I mean, Paris Campbell, 874 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,040 Speaker 3: really the sky's the limit. I mean, there was some 875 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,000 Speaker 3: audio that came out today from the Colts organization just 876 00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,400 Speaker 3: kind of the scouts and head coach and everything, just 877 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,439 Speaker 3: everyone talking about how they do believe Campbell can add 878 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,200 Speaker 3: that downfield threat to his game, because that's kind of 879 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,399 Speaker 3: thing with some of these Ohio State receivers. I mean, 880 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:25,840 Speaker 3: Paris Campbell played that same Percy Harvin Curtis Samuel h 881 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,320 Speaker 3: back role where most of the time they're getting screens 882 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,160 Speaker 3: and crossers. Doesn't necessarily mean they can't go downfield, just 883 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,520 Speaker 3: that they weren't asked to. So I am with you 884 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,640 Speaker 3: Paris being in the top ten, But I don't know 885 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:40,600 Speaker 3: because I see our Sega, Whiteside and the Eagles, they 886 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,960 Speaker 3: just seem already set at receiver with au Sean, with 887 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,320 Speaker 3: d jack you know, zach ERTs could be plenty involved. 888 00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,960 Speaker 3: So it seems like almost an embarrassment of riches for 889 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:50,319 Speaker 3: them a wide receiver at this point. 890 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:51,920 Speaker 4: But I don't know if the volume will be there. 891 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,520 Speaker 2: It's not so much of a year one thing with 892 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,840 Speaker 2: our Saga Whiteside or jaws is. I'm just going to 893 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,520 Speaker 2: call him. It's it's a situation where and I should say, 894 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:03,880 Speaker 2: I'm not the one who's like come up with that 895 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,880 Speaker 2: nickname for him, but it's a situation where, I mean, 896 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,239 Speaker 2: the guys ahead of him are old, you know, like 897 00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:15,000 Speaker 2: Alshon Jefferies, he's aging, he's breaking down. Deshaun Jackson turns 898 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,480 Speaker 2: thirty three. Nelson Aguilare is probably going to be traded, 899 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,640 Speaker 2: like I think in year two he's he's the guy, 900 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,719 Speaker 2: and like, I'm not going to focus so much on 901 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:24,200 Speaker 2: year one. 902 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,640 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I think gear two is definitely a better 903 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,799 Speaker 3: indicator for him. All right, another running back who I 904 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,359 Speaker 3: don't really disagree with their ranking here, let me see 905 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,120 Speaker 3: exactly where you had him, just as Hill you have 906 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:39,520 Speaker 3: his pick number twenty one. 907 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,080 Speaker 4: He's now on the Ravens but I just want to talk. 908 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,839 Speaker 3: About this Ravens backfield because we mentioned before how run 909 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,160 Speaker 3: heavy this offense became. 910 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,120 Speaker 4: With Lamar Jackson under center. 911 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,759 Speaker 3: They signed mark Ingram to a pretty nice three year 912 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,320 Speaker 3: deal that I mean to me, it was one of 913 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,799 Speaker 3: the best landing spots possible. I mean they they were 914 00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,520 Speaker 3: given Gus Edwards fifteen to twenty carries per game, and 915 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,879 Speaker 3: I mean Gus Edwards is pretty much a homeless man's 916 00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,279 Speaker 3: version of mark Ingram in terms of having a real 917 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,640 Speaker 3: high success rate. Mark Ingram gives you that, but he 918 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,200 Speaker 3: also gives you pass catching ability and it can bust 919 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,399 Speaker 3: the occasional big play. And looking at the backfield, before 920 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,200 Speaker 3: they drafted Justice Hill, it seemed like Ingram was their 921 00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,760 Speaker 3: best receiver of the group. I mean, kind of Dixon 922 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,960 Speaker 3: can do a little bit, but I was pretty confident 923 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:20,520 Speaker 3: Ingram could get that three down role. 924 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:21,759 Speaker 4: Now I don't know. 925 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,320 Speaker 3: I mean, Justice Hilly is a fourth round pick, so 926 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,000 Speaker 3: I didn't look at him as close as some of 927 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,200 Speaker 3: the top three down guys. But he adds a lot 928 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,560 Speaker 3: of juice and I think he's got some. He might 929 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,239 Speaker 3: now be the most dynamic receiver in that backfield. How 930 00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:34,440 Speaker 3: are you sorting through this situation. 931 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I like him. I think he definitely will. 932 00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,160 Speaker 2: I think he's the number two guy, which in an 933 00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,120 Speaker 2: offense that is that run heavy has a lot of value, 934 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,719 Speaker 2: so I think he is actually going to get a 935 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,319 Speaker 2: lot of run I could see him eventually becoming the 936 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,480 Speaker 2: number one guy there, because I don't think Ingram is 937 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,760 Speaker 2: more than like a one or a two year guy there. 938 00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,480 Speaker 2: And I'm pretty impressed with Hill because of his athletic profile, 939 00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:00,520 Speaker 2: but then also just how productive he was in college, 940 00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,520 Speaker 2: Like he was the guy at Oklahoma State right away 941 00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:08,040 Speaker 2: basically stole Chris Carson's job from him as a rookie, which, 942 00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,960 Speaker 2: considering that Chris Carson is now an NFL starter, like 943 00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,120 Speaker 2: that speaks to the potential that Justice Hill has. But 944 00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,920 Speaker 2: it is a backfield where they have just historically rolled 945 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,839 Speaker 2: over at the position. I don't think any one guy 946 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,920 Speaker 2: is going to be the guy there. They will always 947 00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,560 Speaker 2: be using a committee. So although I am I'm very 948 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,279 Speaker 2: interested in Hill and impressed by him, I'm just going 949 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,719 Speaker 2: to be a little bit tempered in my expectations, especially 950 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:34,480 Speaker 2: in the first year. 951 00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:35,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm with you there. 952 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,120 Speaker 3: Probably it does have the looks of a committee moving 953 00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,040 Speaker 3: forward unfortunately. So yeah, I'm going to be getting off 954 00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:42,799 Speaker 3: my marketingram stance, I think a little bit more as 955 00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:43,720 Speaker 3: the season gets closer. 956 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, let's talk about a few veterans, some guys 957 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,560 Speaker 2: who were winners and some guys who were losers based 958 00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,440 Speaker 2: on what their teams did in the draft. Who are 959 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,440 Speaker 2: you looking at as potential winners? 960 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, so some teams that did not draft a running 961 00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,439 Speaker 3: back earlier or at all. Lamar Miller is once again 962 00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,439 Speaker 3: entering the season looking like a locked in featured running back. 963 00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,279 Speaker 3: He's pretty much finishing all these seasons as like a 964 00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:12,880 Speaker 3: lower run mid twenties or lower twenties PPR back. But 965 00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,560 Speaker 3: once again, I mean his current ADP is sitting in 966 00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,360 Speaker 3: the early thirties. So he's looking like another value I'm our. 967 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,520 Speaker 3: Last season, I wrote an article calling him fantasy's cheapest 968 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,680 Speaker 3: feature back. It's looking like that way again. Deonta Foreman 969 00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,239 Speaker 3: is returning. It looks like he's set up to be 970 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,680 Speaker 3: the RB two. But if you're betting on Foreman, you're 971 00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:32,600 Speaker 3: pretty much betting on him to become the first running 972 00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,840 Speaker 3: back to really successfully overcome torn achilles. Matt penciling in 973 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,839 Speaker 3: Lamar again for another just kind of middling year. 974 00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he is, I think non Hall of Fame. 975 00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,920 Speaker 2: Frank Gore. I think that's like basically going to be 976 00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,759 Speaker 2: the thing where he just like keeps on extending his 977 00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,319 Speaker 2: career much longer than anyone think he can year after 978 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,000 Speaker 2: year and having these middlewing seasons and somehow a coaching 979 00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:57,560 Speaker 2: staff thinking like, yeah, we are totally acceptable and having 980 00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,920 Speaker 2: that as our running back one. So yeah, I'm I 981 00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,759 Speaker 2: think that he's going to return again and he's going 982 00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:05,880 Speaker 2: to be like the Yeah, I think you have it 983 00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,600 Speaker 2: sort of like a low end running back that who's 984 00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:13,120 Speaker 2: starting getting regular touches and because of the offense he's in, 985 00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:18,000 Speaker 2: he will have more touchdown opportunities than most running backs, 986 00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,279 Speaker 2: so that will kind of give him a higher floor. Yeah, 987 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:25,399 Speaker 2: I think you're right. He's a winner. I mean, relatively. 988 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,920 Speaker 4: Is a value for sure. Non Hall of Fame. Francore. 989 00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:29,759 Speaker 4: I like that a lot. 990 00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,840 Speaker 3: Okay, next guy, Damian Williams. We've talked about him here before. 991 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,200 Speaker 3: I just want to make sure we're still kind of 992 00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,520 Speaker 3: on the same page. So Chiefs signed Carlos Hyde. Carlos 993 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,920 Speaker 3: Hyde is on his fourteen since twenty seventeen. Carlos Hyde 994 00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,080 Speaker 3: is not a factor for this RB one job. Chiefs 995 00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,640 Speaker 3: stated just by the way general manager Brettviach in late 996 00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,240 Speaker 3: February at the starting running back job is Damian Williams 997 00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,759 Speaker 3: to lose. Since then, they did draft Darwin Thompson in 998 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,920 Speaker 3: the sixth round. I understand some people were pretty high 999 00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:01,080 Speaker 3: on Thompson going into the draft, but this is six 1000 00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:05,240 Speaker 3: round running back. Most indications are still pointing towards Damian Williams. 1001 00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:05,520 Speaker 4: Again. 1002 00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,880 Speaker 3: He was a PPR RB five in weeks thirteen through seventeen, 1003 00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,400 Speaker 3: after Kareem Hunt was kicked off, the team scored four touchdowns. 1004 00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,600 Speaker 3: I believe in the two playoff games completely balled out. 1005 00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,000 Speaker 3: Still Pensiley and Damon Williams as a sure thing three 1006 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:17,920 Speaker 3: down back in casey. 1007 00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:20,440 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't want to say a sure thing, 1008 00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,880 Speaker 2: but I think he's still I mean, he's a winner 1009 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,040 Speaker 2: in that they didn't draft a guy in the top 1010 00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,200 Speaker 2: three rounds or the top four rounds, you know, so 1011 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,719 Speaker 2: clearly going to be the lead back. I would be 1012 00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,480 Speaker 2: a little bit cautious and that Darwin Thompson was impressive 1013 00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,120 Speaker 2: in college even though he didn't play at a high level, 1014 00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,279 Speaker 2: he was impressive and then they also added as an 1015 00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:44,000 Speaker 2: undrafted free agent James Williams out of Washington State, who 1016 00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:47,160 Speaker 2: like literally was the best receiving back in college football 1017 00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,960 Speaker 2: over the past two years, and that is something that 1018 00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,759 Speaker 2: they value. They value a guy who can't catch the ball. 1019 00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:57,080 Speaker 2: And so even if Williams has no impact whatsoever on 1020 00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,680 Speaker 2: the running game, I could see him being someone who 1021 00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:03,799 Speaker 2: actually starts to siphon away some targets that otherwise would 1022 00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,960 Speaker 2: have gone to Damian Williams. And like I just to say, 1023 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,920 Speaker 2: like James Williams, like he's now like the third Williams 1024 00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,799 Speaker 2: in that backfield, after Damien Williams and Darryl Williams. So 1025 00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,480 Speaker 2: it will get confusing rather quickly. 1026 00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:18,040 Speaker 4: All the Williams. 1027 00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,000 Speaker 3: All right, another running back that I think is similar 1028 00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,600 Speaker 3: to Damian Williams, and that this guy will almost assuredly 1029 00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,160 Speaker 3: be the lead back for most of the season, but 1030 00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,200 Speaker 3: could maybe be a little bit more game flow dependent 1031 00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,279 Speaker 3: than people think. Marlon Mack in Indianapolis, I did not 1032 00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,239 Speaker 3: draft the running back last year. They drafted two nim 1033 00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,240 Speaker 3: Hines who we saw really emerged as a productive scat 1034 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,480 Speaker 3: back at times than Jordan Wilkins, who in a limited 1035 00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,040 Speaker 3: number of carries, was actually the league's leader in nerds 1036 00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:46,719 Speaker 3: for rush, so he flashed a little bit of a 1037 00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:50,440 Speaker 3: big play ability With that said, Marlon Mack really has 1038 00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,360 Speaker 3: been the guy there whenever he's been healthy enough to 1039 00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,680 Speaker 3: suit up, but hasn't been super healthy over his last 1040 00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,280 Speaker 3: two years, and Frank Reich has never given a running 1041 00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,400 Speaker 3: back over two hundred carries five years as an offensive 1042 00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,680 Speaker 3: coordinator or head coach. Matt do you think that streak 1043 00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:06,960 Speaker 3: gets broken or do you think we see Max still 1044 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:08,680 Speaker 3: kind of be sneaky game flow dependent. 1045 00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,560 Speaker 2: I still like Mac a lot, and I think you're 1046 00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,000 Speaker 2: right he's a winner in that they didn't draft someone. 1047 00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:18,040 Speaker 2: They did sign after the draft. Spencer Ware added him 1048 00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,560 Speaker 2: to the backfield, but I mean, I don't know. I 1049 00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,920 Speaker 2: don't see him being someone who's really going to steal 1050 00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,160 Speaker 2: much from Marlon Mack. So yeah, I think it will 1051 00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,239 Speaker 2: be a backfield committee, but I think Mac will lead 1052 00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:29,880 Speaker 2: the committee. 1053 00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm with you there, all right. 1054 00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:36,160 Speaker 3: Last running back situation, Oh, this one is ugly. Tampa 1055 00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:40,799 Speaker 3: Bay Buccaneers are they're forced to start a running back. 1056 00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:42,640 Speaker 3: We're trying to figure out who that running back is 1057 00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,280 Speaker 3: going to be. We saw Peyton Barber kind of slug 1058 00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,759 Speaker 3: his way through sixteen games last year without much success. 1059 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,440 Speaker 3: Ronald Jones at this moment is shaping up to be 1060 00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,239 Speaker 3: pretty much the most disappointing running back picked in the 1061 00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:58,320 Speaker 3: top fifty NFL history, and Bruce Arian says even brought 1062 00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:02,080 Speaker 3: back blast from the past on Ellington to join the 1063 00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,000 Speaker 3: potential circus in that backfield. 1064 00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,080 Speaker 4: So not drafted running back. 1065 00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,759 Speaker 3: I've heard Evan Sova make a really good point that 1066 00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,040 Speaker 3: let's get Matt Brada to Tampa Bay, which I think 1067 00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,560 Speaker 3: everyone would appreciate in the fantasy community. But I mean, 1068 00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,920 Speaker 3: are we giving Ronald Jones a chance here or are 1069 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:18,360 Speaker 3: you just kind of one to stay away from this 1070 00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:19,239 Speaker 3: backfield for now? 1071 00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,759 Speaker 2: I think this backfield was so radioactive last year that 1072 00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:28,319 Speaker 2: there will be a fantasy value here because someone is 1073 00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,880 Speaker 2: going to end up leading the backfield, It's hard to know. Actually, 1074 00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,080 Speaker 2: let me rephrase that. I don't think it's going to 1075 00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,919 Speaker 2: be Barber, like I don't. I don't think Barber, even 1076 00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:38,560 Speaker 2: if he ends up being the leader, I don't think 1077 00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,279 Speaker 2: he's going to have a huge campaign. I think if 1078 00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:45,439 Speaker 2: Ronald Jones ends up becoming the backfield leader, he could 1079 00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,040 Speaker 2: have a pretty decent season. Actually, like it's within the 1080 00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:52,080 Speaker 2: range of outcomes where if he gets serious and you know, 1081 00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:56,000 Speaker 2: learns how to be a professional. He was still impressive 1082 00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,440 Speaker 2: in college. He didn't catch a lot of passes, but 1083 00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:00,480 Speaker 2: I think that's something he could add to his skill 1084 00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:04,000 Speaker 2: set just based onhow explosive he was in college and 1085 00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:06,200 Speaker 2: he was, you know, twenty one years old as a rookie. 1086 00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,520 Speaker 2: There's still a lot of potential opportunity with him. So 1087 00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,799 Speaker 2: if I had to go with one player, I think 1088 00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,719 Speaker 2: I would go with Jones for upside, but I might 1089 00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,319 Speaker 2: just draft both guys because I think both of them 1090 00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:19,239 Speaker 2: are undervalued. 1091 00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:21,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, that would definitely be one of the top of 1092 00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,440 Speaker 3: preseason situations to monitor. All right now, some of the 1093 00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:29,080 Speaker 3: losers can't do any loser segment without talking about Todd Gurley, 1094 00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,040 Speaker 3: and that's only been the case for the last six months. 1095 00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:34,440 Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, just looking at his timeline C J. Anderson, 1096 00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,360 Speaker 3: I mean, he took Gurley's job, That's what happened. We 1097 00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,359 Speaker 3: kept expecting kind of this big injury to come out 1098 00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,239 Speaker 3: for Giry, and there wasn't a big one. But we 1099 00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,480 Speaker 3: do hear in the off season that Okay, Gurley is 1100 00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,719 Speaker 3: dealing with arthritis and his knee. Now you know, this 1101 00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:50,960 Speaker 3: is a common thing. I guess people after they have 1102 00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,200 Speaker 3: an ACL tear. Everyone's kind of dealing with that, but 1103 00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:57,440 Speaker 3: apparently serious enough that Girley was investigating, you know, potential 1104 00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,239 Speaker 3: stem cell treatment like that. There's an issue there. We're 1105 00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:01,960 Speaker 3: not sure if it's going to be as big of 1106 00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,400 Speaker 3: an issue as it was during the playoffs moving forward, 1107 00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:08,080 Speaker 3: but obviously an issue there, and the Rams pretty much 1108 00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,200 Speaker 3: told everyone that yes, there is an issue there by 1109 00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,400 Speaker 3: not only drafting Darryl Henderson in the third round but 1110 00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,640 Speaker 3: also matching Malcolm Brown's offer sheet. Who if he didn't 1111 00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,440 Speaker 3: know Malcolm was supposed to be Gurley's handcuff last year 1112 00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,560 Speaker 3: before he broke his clappical. So, I mean, Sean McVay 1113 00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,000 Speaker 3: has come out and told the media for what it's 1114 00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,440 Speaker 3: worth that Girley is still the focal point of their offense. 1115 00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,600 Speaker 3: But at the very least, I don't know how we 1116 00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:31,799 Speaker 3: can't assume that the focal point of the offense is 1117 00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:33,560 Speaker 3: going to be closer to two hundred and fifty touches 1118 00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,000 Speaker 3: than this three to four hundred touch workload that we've 1119 00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:37,080 Speaker 3: kind of grown accustomed. 1120 00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,080 Speaker 4: What are your thoughts on Gurley this year. 1121 00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree. One of the things with the 1122 00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:46,120 Speaker 2: decision to draft Darryl Henderson out of Memphis, I think 1123 00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,160 Speaker 2: what they've said is that he was the top player 1124 00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,960 Speaker 2: on their board and that's why they drafted him, and 1125 00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,000 Speaker 2: it doesn't have anything to do with Gurley, and it's 1126 00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,120 Speaker 2: fine for them to say that, but that might not 1127 00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,160 Speaker 2: be the case. And now that he's in the building, 1128 00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,600 Speaker 2: like they're going to look at him and if he's impressive, 1129 00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,520 Speaker 2: he will probably take some touches away from Gurley, if 1130 00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,200 Speaker 2: for no other reason than the fact that, like he 1131 00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,160 Speaker 2: deserves it and they probably want to try to keep 1132 00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:13,319 Speaker 2: Gurly fresh. And Henderson was the most explosive running back 1133 00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:16,000 Speaker 2: in college football last year. He was first with eight 1134 00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,120 Speaker 2: point nine yards per carry, first with six point zero 1135 00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:23,279 Speaker 2: yards after contact per attempt, first with two point eight 1136 00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,560 Speaker 2: yards per rout, and first with a seventy point eight 1137 00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:30,400 Speaker 2: breakaway rate. So, like, this guy was very explosive, and granted, 1138 00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,799 Speaker 2: you can say he was doing it against lesser competition, 1139 00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,200 Speaker 2: but it's not like he had a great offensive line 1140 00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:39,320 Speaker 2: blocking for him either. Like this guy is he's impressive, 1141 00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:44,399 Speaker 2: so I can see him potentially taking touches away from 1142 00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,160 Speaker 2: Todd Gurley, So yeah, I think Gurley is a loser. 1143 00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean I'm sure any this has been proven, actually, 1144 00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,880 Speaker 3: any running back in a Sean McVay offense, you can 1145 00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:54,680 Speaker 3: call it a good fit. 1146 00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:56,360 Speaker 4: But I did see the Ringers. 1147 00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,840 Speaker 3: Danny Kelly made a really good point that this outside 1148 00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:00,920 Speaker 3: zone scheme for Daryl had like could not. 1149 00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,360 Speaker 4: Be a better fit as well. So if he's. 1150 00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:06,600 Speaker 3: Really gonna like thrive somewhere, it might be la So 1151 00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,840 Speaker 3: we'll keep an eye on that, all right. We already 1152 00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,120 Speaker 3: kind of talked about some of these losing wide receivers 1153 00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:14,880 Speaker 3: from the draft, Dante Pettis, Corey Davis, guys that just 1154 00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,279 Speaker 3: got much more crowded depth charts, and their offense isn't 1155 00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:21,279 Speaker 3: looking all that different now. A real interesting guy is 1156 00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,480 Speaker 3: Christian Kirk because going into the draft I was really 1157 00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:27,200 Speaker 3: high on Kirk because the big problem with him coming 1158 00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:29,480 Speaker 3: out of college was people that know if he could 1159 00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:31,719 Speaker 3: be more than just a slot receiver already had Larry 1160 00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:32,720 Speaker 3: Fitzgerald in the slot. 1161 00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:34,080 Speaker 4: Kirk proved he could be. 1162 00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,360 Speaker 3: He played a bunch on the outside, and by the 1163 00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,200 Speaker 3: end of the year he was lining up in two 1164 00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,160 Speaker 3: wide receiver sets, you know, fully starting getting plenty of 1165 00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,880 Speaker 3: targets and bawling out honestly. Now, we added Andy Isabella 1166 00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,719 Speaker 3: and a Keem Butler, but we also added Cliff Kingsbury 1167 00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:50,839 Speaker 3: in an offense that could end up ranking the top 1168 00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,360 Speaker 3: of the league in past attempts to potentially tempo. It 1169 00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,960 Speaker 3: seems like it's a situation that can have multiple Fantasy 1170 00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,520 Speaker 3: relevant receivers. But I'm not quite sure those guys are 1171 00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:02,160 Speaker 3: going to be yet. What do you make this Arizona 1172 00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:02,920 Speaker 3: offense right now? 1173 00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:06,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think Kirk is a loser in that 1174 00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,960 Speaker 2: they added other guys who are clearly going to get targets. 1175 00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:13,840 Speaker 2: I'm very bullish on this offense, so I am expecting 1176 00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:17,680 Speaker 2: them to use four wide receiver sets more than most teams, 1177 00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:20,560 Speaker 2: so they're you know, is still opportunity for Kirk and 1178 00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,000 Speaker 2: these other guys to be out there all together. And 1179 00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,520 Speaker 2: I do think they're going to throw a lot, which 1180 00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:29,120 Speaker 2: obviously is good for all the receiving options. But I 1181 00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:33,080 Speaker 2: expect Isabella to be a guy who really stands out 1182 00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:36,120 Speaker 2: like I think he will be. I don't know, like 1183 00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:39,360 Speaker 2: I think they're going to spread that the targets around, 1184 00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:41,279 Speaker 2: so I don't think it's fair to say that, like 1185 00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,080 Speaker 2: Isabella is clearly going to be the guy who dominates 1186 00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:48,440 Speaker 2: over any of the other pass catching options. But I 1187 00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,560 Speaker 2: think a lot of the things we would have wanted 1188 00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:52,600 Speaker 2: to see out of Kirk we are going to see 1189 00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,000 Speaker 2: out of Isabella instead because he just I think he 1190 00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:58,560 Speaker 2: has a more all around skill set. He's faster, He's 1191 00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:00,200 Speaker 2: not as big as Kirk, but I don't think that 1192 00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:04,440 Speaker 2: really matters. I mean, he was drafted in the second round, 1193 00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,200 Speaker 2: you know, not quite as high as Kirk was drafted 1194 00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:10,080 Speaker 2: in the second round, but like pretty close to it. 1195 00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,880 Speaker 2: So I'm I'm on board with Isabella. And then I 1196 00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,200 Speaker 2: think there will be enough targets that go to Hakeem 1197 00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,160 Speaker 2: Butler and then also maybe even a guy drafted in 1198 00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,879 Speaker 2: the sixth round, Keshawn Johnson, enough targets going to those 1199 00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:26,440 Speaker 2: guys to where Kirk won't be the target dominator that 1200 00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:28,319 Speaker 2: we otherwise would have hoped he would be. 1201 00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:30,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll be interesting to see how these target shows 1202 00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:34,520 Speaker 3: shake out. Cliff Kingsbury did feed his running backs at 1203 00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:36,520 Speaker 3: Texas Tech at a top ten rate as well, so 1204 00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,720 Speaker 3: please please just get David Johnson. 1205 00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:43,600 Speaker 2: David Johnson, So yeah, he's going to he's going to 1206 00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,120 Speaker 2: get his targets. All right, Let's let's close out quickly 1207 00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:50,520 Speaker 2: with just an overview of the Dynasty rankings. Overall Dynasty 1208 00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:54,799 Speaker 2: rankings top two hundred veterans and rookies integrated into it, 1209 00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:59,080 Speaker 2: and I think I'll touch on just a few players 1210 00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:03,600 Speaker 2: that I probably a higher on or lower on relative 1211 00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,320 Speaker 2: to other people in the industry. And I'll start with 1212 00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:10,000 Speaker 2: Kyler Murray. I have been aggressive in ranking, you know, 1213 00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:12,640 Speaker 2: ranking him. I'm going to be aggressive in drafting him 1214 00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,160 Speaker 2: because I think he has league winning talent and I 1215 00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:20,640 Speaker 2: think it's it's it's popular, and it's easy to to 1216 00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,280 Speaker 2: devalue the guys who play at quarterback because there are 1217 00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:26,400 Speaker 2: so many quarterbacking options in the league. But I think 1218 00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:29,360 Speaker 2: when there are guys who have true league winning ability, 1219 00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:34,040 Speaker 2: you probably want to prioritize them because at quarterback, you know, 1220 00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:37,160 Speaker 2: like last year, if you had Patrick Mahomes, it was 1221 00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,680 Speaker 2: hard not to win your league, you know what I mean. 1222 00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:42,800 Speaker 2: And I think Kyler Murray is a guy like that 1223 00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:45,640 Speaker 2: because he has the rushing ability and I think he 1224 00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:49,520 Speaker 2: has significant passing ability as well. I think he's basically 1225 00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:51,960 Speaker 2: like Michael Vick with a better arm, and I think 1226 00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:53,800 Speaker 2: if you have the chance to get a guy like that, 1227 00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:57,480 Speaker 2: you do it. So I'm I'm being aggressive in ranking him, 1228 00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,680 Speaker 2: so that will be someone to to keep an eye on. 1229 00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,480 Speaker 2: And then Josh Jacobs, I don't again I mentioned him. 1230 00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:07,200 Speaker 2: I'm really unsure about his overall talent, but based on 1231 00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:10,960 Speaker 2: his draft position, his age, his physical profile, and how 1232 00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,280 Speaker 2: I think he's going to be used, I think he's 1233 00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:17,400 Speaker 2: already a top ten back in dynasty, which might feel aggressive, 1234 00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,480 Speaker 2: but I don't know. I think that's just where I am. 1235 00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:23,040 Speaker 2: And if you look at the options that are out 1236 00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:25,560 Speaker 2: there in the running back market, like it gets thinned 1237 00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:27,720 Speaker 2: pretty quickly. So like, I don't think it's all that 1238 00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:31,040 Speaker 2: much of a push to say that Josh Jacobs deserves 1239 00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,480 Speaker 2: to be ranked in the top ten, even if it's 1240 00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:37,200 Speaker 2: just number ten. A player that I am down on, 1241 00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,680 Speaker 2: and this probably shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, is 1242 00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:45,000 Speaker 2: Antonio Brown. But you know a part of it is 1243 00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:47,640 Speaker 2: because I do think that they are going to focus 1244 00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:50,800 Speaker 2: on getting Josh Jacobs the ball. I'm not sure how 1245 00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:54,080 Speaker 2: good they are going to be passing in general, and 1246 00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:56,480 Speaker 2: Antonio Brown is old, so you know, I don't think 1247 00:58:56,520 --> 00:59:00,720 Speaker 2: it's all that hard to rank him to be pretty 1248 00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:03,000 Speaker 2: low on him, but I think I will probably be 1249 00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,440 Speaker 2: lower than a lot of other people in the industry, 1250 00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:07,640 Speaker 2: but that's just kind of how it is. And then 1251 00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:11,440 Speaker 2: another guy I am lower on relative to other people, 1252 00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,520 Speaker 2: but I still wouldn't think I'm low on him is 1253 00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:17,720 Speaker 2: Travis Kelcey. We talked about George Kittle earlier. I think 1254 00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:20,800 Speaker 2: Kittle is already the number one tight end in Dynasty, 1255 00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:23,960 Speaker 2: and there are still people who have Kelsey ranked number one, 1256 00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:25,880 Speaker 2: and I get it, and I still have him as 1257 00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:29,040 Speaker 2: a top twenty five overall player. But he turns thirty 1258 00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,800 Speaker 2: this year. He plays a physically demanding position. I think 1259 00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:37,600 Speaker 2: he has more production in him this year than Kittle does. 1260 00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:41,000 Speaker 2: But I think long term, Kittle is clearly the preferable 1261 00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:43,840 Speaker 2: player at this point. And for me, like, if you 1262 00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:47,320 Speaker 2: can already anticipate that long term Kittle is the guy, 1263 00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:51,240 Speaker 2: you might as well put him there already, because he 1264 00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:55,040 Speaker 2: obviously did more than enough last year to indicate that 1265 00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:58,640 Speaker 2: he does have a bright future. So those are some 1266 00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,200 Speaker 2: of the players that I am high on and low on, 1267 01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:03,960 Speaker 2: And uh Ian, do you have any thoughts on any 1268 01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:04,920 Speaker 2: of those guys? 1269 01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,120 Speaker 3: No, I think it's a good point with Kelsey and 1270 01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,600 Speaker 3: just these kind of aging veterans in general. You want 1271 01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,280 Speaker 3: to I mean, especially in a dynasty format, you want 1272 01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:15,240 Speaker 3: to be probably a year earlier than a year or 1273 01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:17,320 Speaker 3: two late, especially if you're trying to get value for him. 1274 01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:19,200 Speaker 3: One guy I would add that's starting to get up 1275 01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:22,000 Speaker 3: there in age too, is a J Green. I don't 1276 01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:23,640 Speaker 3: I don't expect him to you know, fall off a 1277 01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:26,760 Speaker 3: cliff this year or anything, but he has now had 1278 01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:28,000 Speaker 3: two back. 1279 01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:31,160 Speaker 4: To back injuries short years. And I mean it comes. 1280 01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:33,480 Speaker 3: Fast with some of these bigger wide receivers and bigger 1281 01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:37,480 Speaker 3: guys that haven't necessarily you know, made a complete career 1282 01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:39,440 Speaker 3: out of a separatement route running and stuff. 1283 01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:40,600 Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, I. 1284 01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:42,800 Speaker 3: Think aj is like on a different level, I think 1285 01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,280 Speaker 3: as a route runner stuff than someone like Dez Bryant. 1286 01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:47,400 Speaker 3: But it comes fast, and you know, you want you 1287 01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:48,920 Speaker 3: want to be on the right side of that. So 1288 01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:50,600 Speaker 3: if you know, if Agent Grahana is a good year 1289 01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:52,040 Speaker 3: this year, I consider selling it before. 1290 01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:54,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, And and to your point on that, and this 1291 01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,240 Speaker 2: kind of will will put all this in context. I 1292 01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:01,200 Speaker 2: have right below, literally right below in my rankings, Antonio 1293 01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:05,440 Speaker 2: Brown I have aj Green and right above Antonio Brown, 1294 01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:08,400 Speaker 2: I have in kill Harry, who is my number one 1295 01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:13,360 Speaker 2: wide receiver in this class. So that kind of gives 1296 01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:16,760 Speaker 2: you a sense of how I'm viewing these guys. And 1297 01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:20,520 Speaker 2: to talk just a little bit about the methodology, like 1298 01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:24,760 Speaker 2: I tend to value age. I tend to like prioritize 1299 01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:27,480 Speaker 2: guys who are young, not only because they have a 1300 01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:31,320 Speaker 2: longer shelf life, but they tend to have more upside. 1301 01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:35,840 Speaker 2: I tend to devalue positions that have a lot of depth, 1302 01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:40,560 Speaker 2: So quarterbacks are usually low in my rankings except for 1303 01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:43,920 Speaker 2: the guys that I think have true like difference making upside. 1304 01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:47,520 Speaker 2: I tend to value the positions that have longevity, So 1305 01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:51,240 Speaker 2: wide receivers, for instance, I tend to rank ahead of 1306 01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:53,680 Speaker 2: running backs and tight ends like all things being equal, 1307 01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:57,040 Speaker 2: just because wide receivers last longer. So those are, you know, 1308 01:01:57,120 --> 01:02:00,480 Speaker 2: some of the big factors that kind of go in into 1309 01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:06,240 Speaker 2: my positional rankings within dynasty Ian any thoughts on. 1310 01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:08,640 Speaker 4: That, Yeah, I agree with you with the quarterbacks. 1311 01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:10,840 Speaker 3: I mean, they got to be a difference maker, and 1312 01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:12,920 Speaker 3: I think the big trend we're seeing now in recent 1313 01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:16,200 Speaker 3: years is the difference making quarterbacks all those are those 1314 01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:18,200 Speaker 3: players that are getting a bunch of rush attempts. I 1315 01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:21,480 Speaker 3: mean I was looking at some rushing stats and there's 1316 01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:24,280 Speaker 3: been twenty quarterbacks since two thousand that have had at 1317 01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:27,480 Speaker 3: least one hundred rush attempts in a season. Thirteen of 1318 01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:30,080 Speaker 3: those twenty quarterbacks end up being at least a top 1319 01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:33,560 Speaker 3: six Fantasy performer. So a lot of that's just you know, 1320 01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:36,040 Speaker 3: Cam Newton, Mike Vick and the same old guys kind 1321 01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:38,760 Speaker 3: of get into numbers. But look, Kyler Murray, I mean, 1322 01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:40,480 Speaker 3: we know he can run the ball, and we know 1323 01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:43,120 Speaker 3: he can throw the ball. It's not like he has 1324 01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:45,760 Speaker 3: the rushing ability or at least pretty close to what 1325 01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:49,120 Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson had, and just a million times more I 1326 01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:52,160 Speaker 3: think better through the air at this point. So it's 1327 01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:54,560 Speaker 3: and we saw Lamar Jackson work as the QB eight 1328 01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:56,440 Speaker 3: as soon as he got the starting job last year. 1329 01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:58,600 Speaker 3: So if you can just have that rushing floor and 1330 01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:00,720 Speaker 3: even a little bit of passing up, which I think 1331 01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:03,840 Speaker 3: Murray clearly has both, I mean, yeah, that's a game changer. 1332 01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:08,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Ian, what are the pieces that you have 1333 01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:08,960 Speaker 2: planned for the future. 1334 01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:13,800 Speaker 3: We're getting right into the NFL preview mode now, I'm 1335 01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,920 Speaker 3: coming out with a bunch of profiles for each different team. 1336 01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:21,800 Speaker 3: I have articles on David Johnson, Lamar Jackson, Julio Jones, 1337 01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:23,800 Speaker 3: and many many more on the way, so keep an 1338 01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:24,600 Speaker 3: eye out for those. 1339 01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:28,000 Speaker 2: All right. And then also Sean Corner, Chris Raybond, and 1340 01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:30,960 Speaker 2: I will be updating our seasonal fantasy rankings this weekend 1341 01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:33,800 Speaker 2: and then posting them early next week, so be sure 1342 01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:35,760 Speaker 2: to check those out. And then we will also have 1343 01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:38,880 Speaker 2: I believe Corner and Raybond on the podcast next week 1344 01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:42,400 Speaker 2: to break down the rankings. Till then, that is going 1345 01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:44,160 Speaker 2: to do it. For this episode of the Action Network 1346 01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:47,240 Speaker 2: NFL podcast, Please rate and review the show in iTunes. 1347 01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:50,280 Speaker 2: For Ian, I am Matthew Freeman Matteth the Oracle see Again. 1348 01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:56,160 Speaker 2: Next episode 1349 01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:02,760 Speaker 3: Was Welcome Him