1 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan mink 2 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 1: here with Garrett Downing. Following the Ravens locker clean out. 3 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: That always always feels like it's too soon, Garrett after 4 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: the Ravens lost the Steelers twenty six to twenty four 5 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: in the regular season finale, denying the Ravens a trip 6 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: back to the playoffs. 7 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 2: Baltimore finish finished eight and. 8 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: Nine this season, Steelers go to playoffs, Ravens do not 9 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: come just short of winning a third straight AFC Crown, 10 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: and Ravens players, you know, still kind of in a 11 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: state of shock this morning, you know, after not much sleep, 12 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: getting back in the middle of the night last night 13 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: and starting to sink in and process. But it's just 14 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: still kind of unbelievable that they're back in this moment. 15 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think a lot of these guys just felt like, look, 16 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 3: every year at locker clean out, unless you win the 17 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 3: Super Bowl or you're eliminated previously, it comes so suddenly 18 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 3: because you're you're always thinking ahead, and you're thinking about, Okay, 19 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 3: you could get this playoff game, and could you go 20 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 3: on a run, and if you're in the playoffs, you're 21 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 3: thinking about all those things, and so you're always kind 22 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 3: of looking ahead, and so the suddenness of locker cleanout 23 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 3: is a jarring day because less than twelve like twelve 24 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 3: hours ago, you're in Pittsburgh playing for a shot at 25 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 3: the AFC North and now the next day your season's over. 26 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 3: Everyone's got their stuff packed in bags, the shoes are 27 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 3: in the donation bins, and everyone's heading back to their 28 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 3: hometowns for the offseason, and it's like silent. It's just 29 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 3: so the suddenness of it is always a tough thing 30 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 3: to process. 31 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 1: It's even more sudden for the Ravens well, yeah, than 32 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: most teams, and particularly this year. 33 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 2: I mean really the past two years, right, that's what 34 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 2: I know, the past. 35 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 3: Couple of years for the team, this locker cleanout day 36 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 3: has been a really the last three years have been 37 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 3: really tough days on this this you know, kind of 38 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 3: dark Monday after a disappointing loss. 39 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, back to back seasons where it was really kind 40 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: of one play takes center stage the next more. You know, 41 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: the Mark Andrews two point conversion drop last year in 42 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: Buffalo in the playoffs, and then this year Tyler Loops 43 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: missed forty four yard field goal. I mean it was 44 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: twelve hours ago. Less than that, no more than my 45 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: math is fuzzy. 46 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, that the. 47 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: Ravens felt like they had the game won, you know, 48 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 1: on the loop field goal attempt at the end of 49 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: the game, so you know when it it swings so 50 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: drastically like that, it makes these days even more difficult. 51 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: I thought that fullback pat Ricards summed it up well 52 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: today at locker clean out when you said it just 53 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 1: hurts I feel for the fans of the city, just 54 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: the heartaches. 55 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 2: Year after year. 56 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: We always have a great group that I feel like 57 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: we underperform with the talent that we have. 58 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 2: And that's the. 59 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 1: Truth of the matter, is that the Ravens underperformed this year. 60 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: And they came into the season as the Super. 61 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 2: Bowl pick by a wide margin. They were the favorite 62 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 2: to win the Super Bowl. 63 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: You at least thought that they were going to get 64 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: back in the playoffs, like without a doubt, you know, 65 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 1: and everybody saying the Ravens had the most talented roster 66 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: in the NFL and all of that, and then to 67 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 1: come out and start one in five. Credit this team 68 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: for battling back, but you left yourself with very little 69 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: room for air, and it ended up biting the Ravens 70 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:28,239 Speaker 1: because even though they rallied, you know, you lose too 71 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: many games, and really to your division rivals. 72 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 2: You know, you lost the Steelers twice. 73 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: You know it's tough to win the division when you 74 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: lose to the Steelers twice, no matter how bad the 75 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: rest of the AFC North is. You know, you just 76 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: didn't get it done in a year where on paper 77 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: at least, it looked like this team had great aspirations. 78 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 3: You started the season one to five, you went three 79 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 3: and three in the division. That's just that you look 80 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 3: at that on the surface, it's gonna be hard to 81 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 3: get to the postseason when you do that. Yep, and 82 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 3: the the two main themes that I felt coming out 83 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 3: of locker clean out One is to your point, I 84 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 3: do think that there was knowing where this team started 85 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 3: from and putting themselves in position to have a playing 86 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 3: game to get to the postseason. I think there was 87 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 3: a feeling of this team showed a lot of resilience 88 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 3: this year, which I know a lot of fans don't 89 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 3: necessarily want to hear, you know, when the season's over, 90 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 3: but I do think and hearing from players that was 91 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 3: a common thread that they were proud of the fight 92 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 3: that this team showed, never quitting and and fighting all 93 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 3: the way back to get themselves into that situation. But 94 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 3: with that said, there's also this overwhelming sense of what 95 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 3: could have been. And you had second life after the 96 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 3: Browns took down the Steelers and gave you a shot 97 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 3: in Week eighteen, and even in that game, you had 98 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 3: second life multiple times where the Steelers went up in 99 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 3: that crazy back and forth nature of the fourth quarter, 100 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 3: and then even getting in a position to kick the 101 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 3: field goal, you had these opportunities and weren't able to 102 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 3: make the kick, weren't able to get off the field, 103 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 3: and I think everyone just kind of comes out of 104 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 3: it feeling like, man, this this kind of summed up 105 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 3: our season, and we'll always wonder what could have been 106 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 3: had a variety of different things gone the other way 107 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 3: and they didn't. And you have to grapple with that 108 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 3: and deal with the frustration of it. 109 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 1: All when the common theme over the past few years 110 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 1: is just not getting it done down the stretch to 111 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 1: win games in the highest stakes when the stakes are 112 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 1: the highest, and that, unfortunately has has been how the 113 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 1: Ravens seasons ended and that's how a lot of teams 114 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: seasons end, right, Only one team comes out of this. 115 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 2: Feeling feeling great about it. 116 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: But the Ravens, you know, It's what makes it more 117 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,679 Speaker 1: painful is like all these games, the Ravens just don't 118 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: just get beat, you know what I mean. Like you 119 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 1: don't come out of any of the past playoff exits 120 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: and say, man, you know what, they just were not 121 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: They weren't even the same stadium as that other team, 122 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: Like they weren't good enough to beat that team. You 123 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: kept feeling like, yeah, they were good enough to win 124 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: that game, but they just didn't at the end. And 125 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: different scenarios in all of them, which I don't know 126 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: if that makes. 127 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 3: It Yeah, that make it better or worse. Like you 128 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 3: don't think you don't want to get I think emotionally 129 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 3: it's more painful to be so close but then not 130 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 3: get it done. At the same time, you don't want 131 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 3: to just get boat race out of stadiums. But that 132 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 3: brings clarity to the disappointment of like, hey, look, they 133 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 3: were just a better team the last few years. You 134 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 3: don't come out of any of the season anding losses 135 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 3: feeling like, hey, just got beat by the better team today. 136 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And what's also challenging and tough to swallow. 137 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: And what we heard from players today is like, you know, 138 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: you make you make some plays at the end of 139 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: this game, and you're like, wow, the Isaiah likely catch, 140 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: the Lamar Jackson long touch too long touchdowns, and a 141 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: Flowers in the fourth Gordon, You say, man, are those 142 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,559 Speaker 1: the plays that's gonna get this team over the hump? 143 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: That those are the plays they finally made that clutch 144 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 1: play and then oh, you. 145 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 2: Know, Loop misses that field goal. 146 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 1: It's like a new way to lose that they hadn't 147 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: done in previous years, you know when And of course 148 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: the defensive let down in the in the fourth quarter 149 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: were a major contributor to why the Ravens lost that 150 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: game in Pittsburgh last night, But the finality of a 151 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: missed field goal, that was a new one, you know, 152 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: And and it stings just as much as the others. 153 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. I also think on the Lamar Jackson, obviously, he 154 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 3: is the center of discussion debate at all times. He 155 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 3: has shown in these last two years and these elimination 156 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 3: games he rises to the occasion in big moments. And 157 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 3: I know that there's been criticism of him in like 158 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 3: playoff games or elimination games over the course of his career. 159 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 3: Man he showed up at the biggest point of the 160 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 3: game in the fourth quarter and played lights out yesterday. 161 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 3: And he did the same thing last year in Buffalo 162 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 3: when the Ravens needed him to march down the field 163 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 3: and he was able to do that. And so that's 164 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 3: also what adds to the frustration is like Lamar, who 165 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 3: everybody has an opinion about, showed up and delivered some 166 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 3: iconic plays in this game in the fourth quarter to 167 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 3: get the Ravens in position to win it, and it's 168 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 3: all for not because they weren't able to do that 169 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 3: and Loop missed the kick. And so that's part of 170 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 3: what I think is so challenging with this game in particular, 171 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 3: is like man Lamir was awesome and like Tyler Linderbaum 172 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 3: talked about it at locker clean out, like Lamar is 173 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 3: the best of the best, and everybody was feeding off 174 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 3: the energy that he brought to that fourth quarter. He 175 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 3: told the offense before they took the field, let's be legendary, 176 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 3: and everybody responded to that. It felt like there was 177 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 3: it was gonna be a moment. I think everybody felt 178 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 3: like this is gonna be a moment led by Lamar. 179 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 3: Given all that he's done in this fourth quarter, He's 180 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 3: about to go win this game for us, and he 181 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 3: put the Raves in position to do that. But it 182 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 3: still didn't happen. And that's what makes this game so tough. 183 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: Yep, Charlie Kohler, I thought something it up pretty well though, too, 184 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: saying good teams find ways to win games, and they 185 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: just not just in Pittsburgh, but over the course of 186 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: the season, the Ravens didn't find enough ways to win 187 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: enough games, and thus they were not a good enough 188 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: team this year. 189 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 2: You know. That's that's kind of what it boils down to. 190 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: I don't know how many times have gone into a 191 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,559 Speaker 1: game or even come out of a game thinking the 192 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: Ravens were a better team than the Steelers and moved 193 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: the ball better and made more plays and all this stuff, 194 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: but they didn't win the game. The Steelers have found 195 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: ways to win games and the Ravens just haven't done 196 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: that enough. And yeah, I have a staff for you. 197 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: I don't know if this will make you feel better 198 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: or worse, but I'll give it to you anyway. 199 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 2: Just because it's you. 200 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,439 Speaker 1: So there have been over sixty thousand field goal attempts 201 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:50,559 Speaker 1: in NFLOOR sixty six sixty thousand field goal attempts in 202 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: NFL history. Tyler Loops miss on Sunday Night is the 203 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: only one of those attempts that came as time expired 204 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter in the final week, with both 205 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: teams playoff resting solely on the result of that kick. So, 206 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: first time in NFL history that that kind of situation happened. 207 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes you feel worse. 208 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 1: It's like, I mean, I'll tell you, it does make 209 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: you say, Man, that kid was put in the most 210 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: high pressure kick, like one of the most high pressure 211 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: the most high pressure kick in regular season history NFL history. 212 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 3: Uh yeah, And the yeah, I think that that stat 213 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 3: makes it feel worse to me, just because it's like 214 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 3: the rarity of it. And now now you're basically setting 215 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 3: a record and the record is not the right terms, 216 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 3: but you're you're breaking ground in like the disappointment and 217 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 3: the impact of a kick like that. Uh, just that's tough. 218 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 3: That is so and and I you know, I feel 219 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 3: for Tyler loop and and it's it's a really tough 220 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 3: moment for him and obviously he's gonna have to bounce 221 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 3: back from that. That was a point that Derek Henry made 222 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 3: after the game, like he had a conversation with Loup 223 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 3: about having to bounce back from it. And his story 224 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 3: is going to be defined on how he responds to 225 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 3: that moment and that disappointment, and that's going to be 226 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 3: his story. It's right. So let's take a quick break. 227 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 3: When we come back, we'll talk about some of the 228 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 3: big questions that the Ravens have going into the off season. 229 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 3: Lots of players who are heading into free agency. We 230 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 3: heard from a number of them today, so we'll get 231 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 3: into that when we come back from this break. You're 232 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 3: listening to the Lounge podcast. We're coming to you from 233 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 3: the Seat Geek Studio. 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And I think at the top of 251 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 3: the list is timel of Linderbaum, multi time pro bowler, 252 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 3: former first round pick. The Ravens did not pick up 253 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 3: his fifth year option prior to the season, which means 254 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 3: he is going to be an unrestricted free agent. 255 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 2: If he hits the market. 256 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 3: If he hits the mark, he is set to become 257 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,199 Speaker 3: an unrestricted free agent. Of course, the Ravens will work 258 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 3: out an extension with him. They could franchise him, which 259 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 3: would come at a very expensive number, but those are 260 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 3: the options that the Ravens have and Linderbaum talked today 261 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 3: about that, said he would like to stay here, said 262 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:49,839 Speaker 3: absolutely when asked if he would want to stay here 263 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 3: in Baltimore. He's been pretty pretty mum about the contract 264 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 3: stuff whenever asked about it over the course of this 265 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 3: entire season. Didn't really dive into two many specifics today 266 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 3: when asked about it. But he does say he wants 267 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 3: to be here and he's gonna let his agent handle 268 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:05,559 Speaker 3: that process. 269 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought that. 270 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:11,719 Speaker 1: Roger Rosengarten put his stamp of approval on it and 271 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: said he equated it to last year's free agency situation 272 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,959 Speaker 1: with Ronnie Stanley when Ronnie was a pending free agent. 273 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: The Raymons ended up getting a three year extension done 274 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: with Ronnie before he hit the open market, and Roger 275 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: Rosenharten said, yeah, I look at it the same way. 276 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: About how much it would hurt to lose Tyler Linderbaum, 277 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: he called him the tip of the spear, the guy 278 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: who runs the offensive line in the best center. 279 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 2: In the league. 280 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: Said it would really sting to lose Tyler Linnerbaum in 281 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: free agency, So you know, hopefully they can work on 282 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: an extension just like Ronnie did before Lindy even hits 283 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: the open market. But if he does, I mean, he's 284 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: going to be one of the most highly sought after 285 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: players out there. The Ringer ranks him at number four 286 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: overall in this free agent class, and so he's a 287 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: guy that's set to get a pretty nice deal. And 288 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: especially considering the struggles the Ravens had on the offensive 289 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 1: line this year too, you know, you want to get 290 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 1: better on the offensive line this offseason. To have to 291 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: replace a Pro Bowl guy who's soon, you know, nimble 292 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: and really it is kind of critical to this run attack, 293 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: that would be a tough blow. 294 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, definitely it would be. 295 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 3: It would be hard to lose ty the Lennard Bam 296 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 3: And you have questions at both guard spots. Daniel is 297 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 3: a free agent. He started every game with guard the 298 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 3: last two seasons. Andrew Rhes is still under contract. But 299 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 3: you know, the Ravens could look to get better at 300 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 3: that spot. And they also have Emery Jones, who we 301 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 3: saw a little bit of on Sunday because of injuries 302 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 3: both to fall Ala and where he's at times. So 303 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 3: I think that he's definitely going to compete for one 304 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 3: of those starting guard jobs. Of course, the Ravens could 305 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 3: end up bringing in somebody else to compete there through 306 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 3: the draft of free agency. I would expect that. But 307 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 3: if you lose my point is, if you lose Linderbaum too, 308 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 3: and you're looking at could there be three new starters 309 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 3: along the middle of this offensive line, that would be 310 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 3: a pretty big hole to create on this on this unit. 311 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 3: So I think you certainly want to find a way 312 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 3: to keep Tyler Lindernbaum. 313 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, it just hasn't happened yet, right, I mean, they 314 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: when the Ravens declined his fifthier option, which was understandable 315 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: because you know, you looked at the cost of that 316 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: option and it's it's really offensive tackle money, so so 317 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: financially like, that was pretty predictable that they would decline that. 318 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: And but at the time, Eric DeCosta said, we want 319 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: to reach a contract extension with Tyler Linnenbaum, made it 320 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: clear that they see him in the long term future 321 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: of this team, you know, but they haven't gotten a 322 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: deal done yet. And the Ravens got several of those 323 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: extensions done here and near the end of the season 324 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: got it done with Travis Jones, Mark Andrews, and then 325 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: you know, some smaller ones with John Jenkins and long 326 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: snapper Nick Moore. But you know, you were hopeful kind 327 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: of every time you saw one extensions worked out, I 328 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: was like, all right, is Lynn Linderbaum going to be next? 329 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: You know, and didn't get it done before the season ends, So, 330 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: you know, Tyler Lindenbaum was asked whether he wants to 331 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: test the free agent market, and he kind of said 332 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: he's gonna leave that up to his agent and figure 333 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: out what's best for him in that situation. 334 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 2: But I will say some almost all every guy that 335 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 2: you ask that's a pending free agency, hey, do you 336 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 2: want to you want to come back? Yeah, man, I'd 337 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:30,359 Speaker 2: love to come back. 338 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: And and some of them you just kind of get 339 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: the vibe hearing the way that they say it. 340 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 2: You're like, oh, yeah, he absolutely does or Okay, yeah 341 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 2: he said he wants to come back, but right, we'll 342 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 2: see it. We'll see exactly. 343 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: And with the way that Linderbaum answered the question, he said, yeah, absolutely, 344 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: zero hesitation, absolutely wants to be back. Yeah, And so 345 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: I believe that I do think that he would like 346 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: to return. He loves playing for Lamar Jackson said, it's, 347 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: you know, extremely fun playing for a guy like that. 348 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: Who can make plays it every time he touches the ball, 349 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: and Derrick Henry in the way that the Ravens run 350 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: the ball here. 351 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 2: You know, Tyler Lindwelm is a big part of that. 352 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: He's a good fit here. Culture wise, he's great. He's 353 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 1: a great leader, great locker room guy. 354 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 2: He's a raven. He just is. 355 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: And that's been every time the Raves have gotten one 356 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 1: of these extensions done. That's kind of been the quote 357 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 1: Fromeric to cost is this guy's a raven. Yeah, Tyler 358 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: Linnenbaum feels like one of those dudes. 359 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 360 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 3: The market for top of center money is kind of set. 361 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:34,959 Speaker 3: Cam Jurgen's from the Eagles signed a four year, sixty 362 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 3: eight million dollar extension back in April of twenty twenty five, 363 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 3: and so that's the top of the market money. Linderbaum, 364 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 3: as a multi time pro bowler would be top of 365 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 3: the market. So you have a pretty good comp there 366 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 3: for what it would cost. And so your point, the 367 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 3: fact that it hasn't happened yet is what is the 368 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 3: curious thing? It makes you a little bit nervous about 369 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 3: isn't going to happen at all because it feels like 370 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 3: the market is kind of set there. Of course, whenever 371 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 3: a big deal gets done, it resets the market and 372 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 3: the question becomes how big of a reset are we 373 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 3: talking about here? And so that's all part of the 374 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 3: negotiating process. But I think everyone's you know, keeping their 375 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 3: fingers crossed that the Ravens and Lenderbaumber are able to 376 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 3: work out that extension. 377 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: Tight end is another spot to watch this offseason. As 378 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: we said, Mark Andrews already signed a contract extension, but 379 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: the Ravens have two other free agent tight ends in 380 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: Isaiah Likely and Charlie Kohler, both of which talked to 381 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: reporters today and both said that they'd like to be back. 382 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: But I think also see the writing on the wall 383 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: that it's gonna be near impossible to bring back all three. 384 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 2: That would be. 385 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:44,439 Speaker 1: Very surprising, and I think that those guys could do 386 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: pretty well on the open market. I mean, Charlie Kohler, 387 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: give him credit. That guy has really developed as a 388 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 1: blocker and kind of helping the edges of this defense. 389 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: He's been part of why this run game has been 390 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:03,439 Speaker 1: so successful. Plays really hard hustles, plays special teams. You know, 391 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 1: it caught every pass that was thrown to him this 392 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 1: year and so and I think offers more. 393 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 2: As believes. 394 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: He said today that like every tight end or wide receiver, 395 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: he wishes he could get more targets, but he understood 396 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: giving all the weapons in this offense. But wherever he 397 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 1: lands next, even if that includes it here in Baltimore, 398 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: or if that is here in Baltimore, he's going to 399 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 1: want to be a bigger part of the passing game. 400 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 1: That's what he was in college was a pass catching 401 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: tight end. Again, credit to him for changing his body 402 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: and improving so dramatically as a blocker and really becoming 403 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 1: a totally different player. That was really hard to do. 404 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: But I think in this next chapter of his career, yeah, 405 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: he's gonna want to catch some more balls. 406 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 2: Now. 407 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 1: If Isaiah likely doesn't return, he might have that opportunity 408 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 1: here in Baltimore with Colart. 409 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 3: I look at him similar to Josh Oliver, who previously 410 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 3: played here, went and signed a contract with the Minnesota Vikings. 411 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 3: Kind of a similar player, pass catching tight end coming 412 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,679 Speaker 3: out of college, really athletic guy and then who remade 413 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:09,239 Speaker 3: his body as a real a block blocking first sight end. 414 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 3: He got a three year, twenty one million dollar contract. 415 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 2: It's a healthy contract. Yeah, and then he. 416 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 3: Signed another extension on top of that, another three years 417 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 3: for twenty three. So he's gotten two deals with the 418 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:22,400 Speaker 3: Vikings and that I think could cool or get something 419 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 3: like that potentially. Likely is a really tough projection on 420 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 3: what the contract could look like for him. He also said, 421 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 3: as you mentioned that he would like to be here. 422 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 3: He's got a great relationship with Lamar Jackson and likely too. 423 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 3: Like when you talk about your point of you can 424 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 3: kind of tell if a guy really wants to be here. 425 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 3: It seemed very sincere to me. He talked about the 426 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:44,120 Speaker 3: fact that the Ravens took a chance on him coming 427 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 3: out of Coastal Carolina in the draft, and that's always 428 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 3: something that matters to him and he wants to continue. 429 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 3: He's like, I gave it everything that I have here 430 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 3: and I want it every time I take the field, 431 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 3: knowing that the Ravens took a chance on me. That's 432 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 3: what I do, That's what I want to do, and 433 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 3: he would love to continue that here. The cost of 434 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 3: that contract is hard to say because on some ways, man, 435 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 3: he's got so much explosive talent and some dynamic plays. 436 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 3: We saw that Sunday on that fourth down catch, but 437 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,679 Speaker 3: the stats this year weren't certainly what we expected or 438 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 3: what he wanted. 439 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 2: A lot of those across the board. 440 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: Twenty seven catches, three hundred and seven yards, and one touchdown. 441 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 3: This year right and then had some notable bad moments 442 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 3: as well. Fumble drop pass could have gone the other 443 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 3: way against Pittsburgh first time around. But he also dealt 444 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 3: with the injury in training camp foot injury that put 445 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 3: him on the shelf for the first month of the season. 446 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 3: So he dealt with all that, and he talked about 447 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 3: how this year was really a season of adversity for 448 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 3: him and fighting through that. My long winded point is 449 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,199 Speaker 3: that it's hard to guess what the contract looks like 450 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 3: for him. 451 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 2: Is it a prove it deal? 452 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 3: Is it a one year like this is a short 453 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 3: term contract and try to try to strike big and 454 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 3: have a better season next year. I don't know exactly 455 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 3: what the contract holds for him, but he did say 456 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 3: that he would like to stay. 457 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 1: Here after he made se many highlight real plays in 458 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, when he posted forty two catches for 459 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 1: four hundred and seventy seventy yards and six touchdowns. I 460 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: think that he anticipated going into this year and even 461 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: taking it up another notch and really becoming one of 462 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 1: the top playmakers in this offense. And it just didn't 463 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 1: materialize and the Ravens ended up. You know, Mark Andrews 464 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: was in that same category. You didn't know who they 465 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: were going to bring back. The Ravens chose Mark Andrews already. 466 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: And does that mean that there won't be enough money 467 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,959 Speaker 1: in the pot to bring back Isaiah Likely? I don't know, 468 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: because it's going to depend on what that number looks like. 469 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: And to your point, I agree, I think it's hard 470 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: to project what that would be. 471 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 3: Another Penning free agent, big name guy is Kyle van Noy, 472 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 3: and it's not just a question of whether he wants 473 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 3: to come back here and play as a free agent. 474 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 3: The question on him as well, at the stage of 475 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,120 Speaker 3: his career, does he want to continue that career? Does 476 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 3: he want to retire? He said that at this point 477 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 3: he's not making any announcemis or decision about whether or 478 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 3: not he wants to retire, that it's just too emotional 479 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,959 Speaker 3: the time less than twenty four hours removed from that 480 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 3: game to make any kind of declarative statement of I'm 481 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 3: coming back or I'm not, so he'll take some time 482 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 3: to think about that. But he did say that he 483 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 3: hopes to stay here, so if he is playing, he 484 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 3: wants it to be here. Is the indication that he 485 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 3: gave and said that hopes that there's a dialogue between 486 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 3: the two sides. And the biggest question again, I think 487 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 3: on him is the first, the first domino to fall 488 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 3: is confirming that he does want to play again, and 489 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 3: then you start to have the conversation about whether the 490 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 3: Ravens want to bring him back on what is that price. 491 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,719 Speaker 3: Two other guys I want to mention specifically Alohi Gillmans 492 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 3: Raymond Jones. The Ravens traded for both of them during 493 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 3: the season. They both had good things to say about 494 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 3: this organization and felt like it kind of felt like 495 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 3: home when they arrived, and Alohi Gillman said it would 496 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 3: be a privilege if they want to keep me here 497 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 3: and continue building on what he did here. Both of 498 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 3: them had some nice moments after getting traded, so I 499 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 3: think that there's potential that the Ravens try to keep them. 500 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 3: But again, a lot of this comes down to there's 501 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 3: only so much money in the pot and who all 502 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 3: are you going to keep all these guys that we 503 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 3: get we just talked about are not going to be back. 504 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 3: It's not They're not going to be able to keep 505 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 3: all of them, and so you have to decide what 506 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 3: that looks like. With Gilman, the Ravens made it clear 507 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 3: that they like having three safeties and the ability to 508 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,439 Speaker 3: move Kyle Hamilton around. Is that the long term plan 509 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 3: that you want to have three safeties? 510 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 2: Washington? Washington there to. 511 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 3: Yep, He's also in that Mix's. 512 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 2: This restricted free agent this past year. They do they. 513 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 3: Try to bring back our Darius or Alohi, Gilman or. 514 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 2: Both or neither that would be I think surprising. 515 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 3: I think both would be surprising. But I think it's 516 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 3: been pretty clear that the Ravens want to have three 517 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 3: safeties to allow them to be versatile with Kyle Hamilton. 518 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 3: And the question becomes, who is that third safety is 519 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 3: at Alohi? Is it ur Darius or is it another 520 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,719 Speaker 3: veteran or rookie. I think any of those options are 521 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 3: on the table. 522 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 2: Yep, Yeah, I agree with all that. 523 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: Going back to Van Noy, I think that's another tough 524 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,400 Speaker 1: one that it wasn't surprising if he you know, kind 525 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 1: of sits out there on the market. He's going to 526 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: turn thirty five years old in March. I think, you know, 527 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: he said at locker clean out that there's more going 528 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 1: on behind the scenes than things that he was fighting 529 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: through this season. Went from twelve and a half sacks 530 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four to two sacks this season. Still 531 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 1: made some very good plays, including the fourth down the 532 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: goal line stop against the Steelers, which was a huge. 533 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:27,880 Speaker 2: Play in that game. 534 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 3: It was Hemmy Gillman, right. 535 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: I and Gilman exactly. That was a really veteran heads 536 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,439 Speaker 1: up play. So Kyle van Noy, I think, is a 537 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 1: player that really hasn't gotten hasn't been appreciated as much 538 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: as he should over his entire career, to be honest, 539 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,439 Speaker 1: and can still play this game. It's a question of 540 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: you know, always as always price and whether he wants 541 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: to continue to play. But at least one of those 542 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: questions was checked. The box was checked that he wants 543 00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: it to be here if he does. 544 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, he kind of I don't know if joked 545 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 3: is the right word, but he's been through the free 546 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 3: agency process a number of times in his career and 547 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 3: some of these guys are like, hey, I've never gone 548 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,159 Speaker 3: through this, That's what Isaiah like, he said, like this 549 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,399 Speaker 3: is gonna be the first time I've ever hit the market, 550 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,239 Speaker 3: and it's all new to Yeah, like it's all new 551 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 3: for those guys, where van neis like, I've done this before, 552 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 3: and so I'm kind of comfortable going through this process. 553 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 3: And even if he has to wait, Let's not forget 554 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 3: a couple of years ago balling off the couch, like 555 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 3: he talked about, he waited late in the process that 556 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 3: year before ultimately signing with the Ravens. So those are 557 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 3: some of the big questions that the Ravens have and 558 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 3: it's oh, yes, thank you. 559 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: That's at him and to that list, you know, signed 560 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: a one year deal. Said he wants to retire. Raven 561 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: wants to finish his career here in Baltimore. Has been 562 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: a very big part of this offense over the years. 563 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,399 Speaker 1: Said it kind of depends, you know, who's back is. 564 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 1: Are we running the same system as it's kind of 565 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: the same offense, you know, because he as a fullback 566 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: is very kind of scheme specific, and so I think 567 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 1: those pieces would get sorted out before it's determined whether 568 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,199 Speaker 1: he returns. And he's another guy who's been through this 569 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:14,199 Speaker 1: free agency process, sat out there last year, didn't know 570 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: if he was going to come back or not. Remember, 571 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 1: he came on the lounge, just sounded like Pittsburgh want 572 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: him and he said no. 573 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, so Hopeilly, we can have that conversation with him again. 574 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's hope. Let's hope he says that again. And 575 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: but yeah, he'll be an interesting guy to watch. 576 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 577 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 3: And then one other guy I want to mention did 578 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 3: not talk at locker clean out, but did talk after 579 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 3: the game on Sundays. Marlon Humphrey, and he's still under 580 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 3: contract next season, but he indicated that his future is 581 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 3: very much up up in the air. Did not have 582 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,439 Speaker 3: a strong finish to the season against the Steelers, and 583 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 3: it was very much an up and down year. Gave 584 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 3: up a lot of yards and a lot of catches, 585 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 3: but also came up with some big interceptions and so 586 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 3: it was like feast or famine for Marlin for much 587 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 3: of this season. He indicated that it's unclear what his 588 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 3: what his future holds. 589 00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 2: If he said. 590 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 3: I'm gonna find out if I'm in the plants here 591 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 3: in Baltimore or not, and then we'll go from there 592 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 3: and we'll see if the Raves end up bringing him 593 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 3: back or are moving a different direction in that secondary. 594 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the reality of the situation every year 595 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: at locker clean out is you know, this is the 596 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 1: last time with this team, and there was gonna be 597 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 1: a lot of turnover, as there is every offseason. And 598 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 1: Charlie Kohler I thought was getting a little emotional talking 599 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 1: about that, you know, just looking around the room and 600 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 1: just to take fans inside the locker room what it 601 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 1: looks like on these days. You know, guys are getting 602 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: teammates autographs and tapping them up and saying final words 603 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: before they go, and it's your last chance to kind 604 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: of soak in this moment with the twenty twenty five 605 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: team and with your teammates because you. 606 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 2: Know it ain't gonna be running it back totally. 607 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, And that's the sad part of this day 608 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: on top of just man, you know, we don't get 609 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: to suit up again, you know, and our hopes and 610 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: dreams of reaching the Super. 611 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 2: Bowl are are dashed. 612 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: And so the Ravens all know that, and they go 613 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,719 Speaker 1: into another offseason, unfortunately with a very familiar feeling of 614 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: uncertainty and the feeling of you know, can we get 615 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: back to this point again next year? And Patricard said, 616 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: as long as we have Lamar Jackson, you know, we 617 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 1: feel like we can. But you know, there's questions about 618 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 1: Lamar's contract. You know, we didn't talk about that. You know, 619 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: this offseason that's probably the biggest time of it. So 620 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: it's just it's a tough day. It's a tough day, 621 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, there will be a lot of 622 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: big decisions and tough decisions coming ahead for the Ravens offseason. 623 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 3: So we'll be talking about all of those things over 624 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 3: the course of this week and beyond. As always, you 625 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 3: can email us at the lounge at Ravens dot NFL 626 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 3: dot net. We appreciate you listening and sticking with us. 627 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,479 Speaker 3: It's a disappointing end to the season, it always is, 628 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 3: but we always appreciate the support and the interest from you, 629 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 3: the listeners and the fans, and and there will be 630 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 3: a lot to discuss the course of this offseason for 631 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 3: the Ravens. To stay tuned throughout this offseason. Thank you 632 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 3: so much for listening. We'll be back with you again soon.