1 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to bokay f Daily with 2 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording from the Brooklyn Bunker. Folks, Yesterday, 3 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: I found myself needing to turn the news off because 4 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: I'd burst into tears. And I find that this is just, 5 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: you know, par for the course of what it means 6 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: to live in a devolving country, a regressive country, a 7 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: dangerous country that you can no longer trust your elected officials, 8 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 1: your government agencies to actually care about the people of 9 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: this nation. I'd never really realized because I'd never had 10 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: to experience that. We've never had to experience what the 11 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: emotional toll is of living in countries that are regressive, 12 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: that are dangerous, that hate women, that hate queer people, 13 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:15,759 Speaker 1: that hate black people, and what that toll is. And 14 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,479 Speaker 1: for me, as I was sitting at my kitchen table 15 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 1: watching the news, I burst into tears at new reporting 16 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: on the young man Jalen Walker, who was murdered by 17 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: police and acron Ohio shot sixty times. I listened to 18 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: white people once again make comments on social media, well 19 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: he shouldn't have run from the cops, fuck you, because 20 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: guests who also ran from the cops oh, I don't know. 21 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: The fucking murderer, Robert Crimose who killed was a known 22 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: fucking assailant, armed and dangerous, who ran from police, and 23 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: guess what, was taken into custody without fucking harm. What 24 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: does it say about a country that every single time 25 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: that we hear a report from media say the assailant 26 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 1: was taken into custody without harm, that everyone knows that 27 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: that person is white, right, and we just think that, well, 28 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 1: that's just what it means to live in America. No, 29 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,679 Speaker 1: it's not, and it shouldn't be fucking acceptable, but it 30 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: is because this country is built on white supremacy, is 31 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: built on racism, is built on the blood, sweat and 32 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: tears of indigenous people. This is who America is. But 33 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: the new reporting about Jalen Walker is even more depraved 34 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: and disturbing than the sixty rounds if you can possibly 35 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: wrap your mind around that. It is the fact that 36 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 1: the police brought him to the coroner in motherfucking handcuffs. 37 00:02:55,440 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: So it wasn't enough that you riddled his body probably unwrecked, ignizable, 38 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 1: with sixty rounds, but then you turned around and handcuffed 39 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 1: a dead man and brought him to the medical examiner. 40 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: What kind of depraved fucking human beings do that. You know, 41 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: it's so interesting to me that when you listen to 42 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: the media talk about these mass shooters, and they talk 43 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: about them with such fucking empathies such oh, we just 44 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,839 Speaker 1: want to understand, and no, there's nothing to fucking understand. Right. 45 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: The only difference between a Robert Cremos and a fucking 46 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: police officer, an Akron or Uvaldi is a badge, right, 47 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: that's it. They have the same intent in their heart 48 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: to cause harm. Right, It's just so that the police 49 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: officers largely don't cause harm against other white people. But 50 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: that's not why they went to the force, right. It 51 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: was to extend their power of white supremacy and act 52 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: as overlords and slave catchers, right, that's their fucking goal. 53 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: And so you know, this country is just so fucked 54 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:13,119 Speaker 1: up these days that like, you can't go through a day, 55 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: you can't get through an hour without just feeling sick 56 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: to your stomach. I was watching video that is now 57 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: circulating around as well with regard to the mass shooting 58 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: that took place in Philadelphia. You see these images up 59 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: above of the fireworks going off and people scattering below 60 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: running for their fucking lives because there is a shooting 61 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: that is happening. If that is not the perfect video, 62 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 1: along along with right the other images coming out of 63 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 1: Highland Park with turned over strollers and empty picnic chairs 64 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 1: and toys and the makings of what would have been 65 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: a parade in celebration scattered on an empty main street 66 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 1: in America filled now with police, police tape, and empty 67 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: bullet cartridges. Because this is the country that Republicans in 68 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court want us to live in. This is 69 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: what they think is normal. They think it's normal that 70 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: a toddler is now orphaned. And now we can turn 71 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: all the people who have donated over two million dollars 72 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 1: at this point to help what alleviate the trauma that 73 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: this child and their family is going to now have 74 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 1: to live under for the rest of their lives. But 75 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: we turn those people, those average people, into heroes. They 76 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: shouldn't have to be, because we shouldn't live in a 77 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 1: country where a toddler is walking around a road aimlessly 78 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: and alone because both of their parents were gunned down 79 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 1: in an instant by an aar fucking fifteen just another 80 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 1: day in America. So whether you have the police shooting 81 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: black people in using them as target practice, as was 82 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: found by the Boy Scouts who were on a tour 83 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: to the police department in Detroit. You have multiple mass 84 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: shootings that happened over the celebration of independence, which I 85 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 1: have no idea what the fuck this country is celebrating 86 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: these days, because independence for whom? Freedom for who? And 87 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: now all of a sudden you have white people getting 88 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: him to the idea that they didn't want to celebrate 89 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: the fourth of July. Well, guess what, Black people haven't 90 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: been celebrating the fourth of July for a really long time, because, 91 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 1: much like I had said on July fourth, as I 92 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: was reciting Frederick Douglas's speech, what to the slave is 93 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: the fourth of July? You tell me what the difference 94 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: is in the things that he said, in the call 95 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 1: outs to Republicans into the absolute just debasement of what 96 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 1: it means to be free that we continue to witness 97 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: in this country. Tell me the difference other than the 98 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: fact that currently slavery is no longer legal. But give 99 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court time, because I'm sure that they have 100 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: it on their docket for the October session. And if 101 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: all of this isn't enough. If all of this, If 102 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: all of this isn't enough, our friend doctor Jonathan Metxo 103 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: will tell us in today's show as he is recovering 104 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: from COVID which he got while he was on his 105 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: way back from Scandinavia, is that the two new variants 106 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: that have come out of Europe are guess what, guys, 107 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: really fucking bad because they are now going back to 108 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: working into people's lungs. So you are going to see 109 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: over the next couple of weeks hospitalizations rise, and guess what, 110 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: our second fucking vaccine shots not going to stand up 111 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: to this new variant. Welcome to what will be our 112 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: fall and winter again. I wish some days that there 113 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: was good news to offer. There isn't. Because the longer 114 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: that I sit here, folks, and the more that I read, 115 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: and the more that I'm waiting for Democrats to act 116 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: as if there is some sense of urgency, to act 117 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: like they give a fuck, to act like the people 118 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: gave them power, and not to do what the Vice 119 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: president did the other day, which was just throw up 120 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: her hands and say what do you want us to do? 121 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: Do what exactly? For Joe Biden to stand up It's 122 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: been almost two weeks since women lost the right to 123 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: bodily autonomy and people with uterus has lost the right 124 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: to bodily autonomy, and there is no fucking urgent action 125 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: being taken by this administration on things that can actually 126 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: be done. You can't even get that motherfucker to utter 127 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: the word abortion, but he's supposed to be somehow standing 128 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: with women and people with uteruses. Bitch, sit down, Sit down, 129 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: because if this is what it looks like to stand 130 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: with us, then please go away. I don't know who 131 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: the fuck Democrats think that they are asking people for 132 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: their votes for and what it is that they're going 133 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 1: to show that they are doing. But right now, let 134 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: me tell you something. Miss me with your fucking fund 135 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: raising emails, miss me with your fucking prayer vigils, you 136 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: have power, But instead you want to go ahead and 137 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: make backdoor deals with Mitch McConnell to put in another 138 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: forced birth fucking judge on the courts? Are you fucking 139 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: kidding me? Oh my god, every day, every day feels 140 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: worse than the next. It's not sustainable. Don't ask me 141 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 1: what it is that we do, but this ship is 142 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: not sustainable. Coming up next, my conversation with our friend, 143 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzo. It's no secret 144 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: that the news is horsepill hard to swallow. 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Folks, You 162 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,199 Speaker 1: know that I love when we have our in house doctor, 163 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: doctor Jonathan Metzel, join us on Woke F two. You know, really, Jonathan, 164 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: I guess at this point, which is to remind us 165 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: what we all seem to not know, which is that 166 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: COVID is still around and happening. People are still getting infected. 167 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: And I want you to tell us where we are 168 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: with the latest, because I'll say I have been out. 169 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: I was out for the holiday weekend. I'm not celebrating 170 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: this country, just out having a good time with friends 171 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: and family, and it does not look like from the 172 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: outside that there is still a pandemic happening. So explain 173 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 1: to us where we are right now. Uh well, I 174 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: feel like we're having grownhog Day honestly right now. I 175 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: mean I realized there's so many things happening right now, 176 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: and it's July fourth, and it's summer, and the country's 177 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 1: falling apart. So this could be like our last fun summer. 178 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 1: But I have to say I'm worried again for the 179 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: first time in quite some time about this. There's a 180 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: new set of Subbariant's B A four and B A 181 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: five that are coming from Europe. As you know, I'm 182 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: just recovering from them myself. But the issue is we're 183 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: seeing dramatic rises in infections in places where this has 184 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: become dominant. It's much more transmissible than the big oh 185 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: that we had last year, And I think the most 186 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: concerning thing for me is that there are reports that 187 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: people are having lung involvement. The thing about omicron and 188 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: why people could almost let their guard down a little 189 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 1: bit was that it was an upper respiratory infection, but 190 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: it didn't enter the lungs. But we're hearing more and 191 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: more reports from other countries and from lab studies here 192 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: that BA five has lung involvement, which is the thing 193 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 1: that remember got people into ICUs on restaurant. Yeah, and 194 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: so if that's the case, if we're going to have 195 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: a much more transmissible and also more dangerous subvariant, then 196 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: I think, as we've said, for what is it like 197 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: the thirty five years of the pandemic now, the virus 198 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: kind of sets the narrative despite all the other crap 199 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: we have going on. But really, if this subvariant is 200 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: as transmissible as people are saying, and it has the 201 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: possibility of making people sick, then I think we're going 202 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: to see a wave that's going to be here longer 203 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: than other waves we've seen and leading into the fall also, 204 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: So I think now is a time. I mean, I 205 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: believe me, I know how hard this is. I try 206 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: to convince my parents of this and my brothers to 207 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 1: like start masking inside again. I know that sounds ridiculous, 208 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: but I would say if there's a time to not 209 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: get this, now would be that time, because there's our 210 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: possibility at least a lot of people are going to 211 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:09,959 Speaker 1: get sick pretty soon here. But this is this following 212 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: I mean, this is our third year, right, Like we're 213 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,719 Speaker 1: either headed into our third year or this No, we're 214 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: headed into our third year. So this is our second 215 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: summer dealing with COVID, right, And my question is this 216 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: is the same pattern that it has always shown that 217 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: as the summer progresses there is a new variant that 218 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: happens in the summer. Things get very dramatic in the 219 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: fall and in the winter, and then it subsides again. 220 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: This is the same I mean, tell me how what 221 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: you are seeing in terms of patterns, So I'm not 222 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: talking about intensity of the illness and where it's going yet, 223 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: just in terms of patterns of how it rocks like 224 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: this seems to be similar to omicron and delta. This 225 00:14:56,440 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: thing is so much more spreadable than anything we've seen before. 226 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: Um and so I and you're probably hearing this people 227 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: like me who have been super careful for years now 228 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: have covid um and and maybe I let my guard down. 229 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: I'm sure I did. Also, I've went on an airplane. 230 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: I ate the meal for ten minutes. That's probably what happened. Um. 231 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: And it was a crappy ass meal also um um. 232 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: But but I would say that again, this is just me. 233 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: I worry that we could have a longer wave than 234 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: we've had before. And and I'm a I'm a doomsdayer, right, 235 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: that's what. Oh, you're not a doomsdayer, you you you 236 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: do not. You're not the bearer of bad news. You're 237 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: the bearer of reality for woke af and for every 238 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: other place that you speak in. I'm looking closely at 239 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: the data now, and and I'm saying that there are 240 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: two things that worry me. Number one is that prior 241 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: infection is not protecting people from this new variant. So 242 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: this is different, and that's bad. So it shows that 243 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: this new variant can escape, can escape the kinds of 244 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: protection we had from vaccines and from infections, and so 245 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: that's number one, and the number two, I'm kind of 246 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: worried about the cumulative effects. Like people are like, I'm 247 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: just going to go out and get it and then 248 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: I'll have immunity. But I think, actually, COVID is not 249 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: letting us do that narrative very well. I think the 250 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: narrative that we're seeing, unfortunately, is the more you get COVID, 251 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: the more cumulative bad effects you have in your body. 252 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: And so people who are now going to get it 253 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: for the second or third or four time are just 254 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: going to be at greater risk. It's not like your 255 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: immune system is ready and that kind of thing. And 256 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: the reason I say that again anecdotally, is people who 257 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: are getting at the second or third time or at 258 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: least from what I'm reading, potentially getting more serious cases 259 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: than the first time they got it. And for me, 260 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: just as somebody who tries to pay attention to this stuff, 261 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: that's that's an alarm. So again I realize, you know, 262 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: we have the fallow democracy, We have bullets in the 263 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 1: air as much as virus particles. We have everything going 264 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: on right now. But I would also say that in 265 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: the middle of all that, it maybe is time for 266 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 1: people to play it safe the way they did earlier 267 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 1: on about indoor space just right now, because again there's 268 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: this new variant that's very, very spreadable, and we just 269 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: don't know what it does quite yet. But I'd say 270 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: the early reports of what's happening are not are not uplifting. 271 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:42,360 Speaker 1: So what steps are being taken right now across the 272 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 1: pond in terms of how they are dealing with this 273 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: and talking about it, because again, I'll be honest, we 274 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: have not, at least that I have seen on the 275 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 1: news as of late, had any serious conversations, any serious 276 00:17:56,200 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 1: segments dedicated to COVID that we were having six months ago. 277 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: So and that's that's what happens. The coverage wanes, the 278 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: conversations wanes, the restrictions you know, go away, and we 279 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 1: have all decided that this is done. So, I mean, 280 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 1: what are you hearing in terms of the precautions that 281 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 1: they're taking in Europe? Who is dealing with this right now? 282 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 1: I would say the one thing for the United States 283 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 1: that is the most alarming is that the Republicans in 284 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: Congress blocked any kind of COVID funding and so vaccine 285 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 1: roll out, vaccine update, testing, regiment rapid tests, all that 286 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: kind of stuff. There's no funding for it right now, 287 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: and so hopefully again I'm wrong and it's no big deal. 288 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: But if I'm right, like, let's let's see where we 289 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 1: are in two weeks. Basically, if this is a non issue, 290 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: I was wrong. If this is an issue, then we're 291 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 1: really in big trouble because we are prepared for what's coming. 292 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: And I would say that's not the case in other places. Certainly. 293 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: I was just in Europe before. I can guarantee you 294 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 1: I got this on an airline on the way back, 295 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:18,120 Speaker 1: one hundred percent chance, and so I would just say, 296 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: over there, I mean, it's not like, oh my god, 297 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,199 Speaker 1: they're doing the one thing that's like social distancing or masking. 298 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: It's that over there they have a robust health infrastructure, 299 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: so people have access to healthcare, so they don't like 300 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: wait till they're super sick and super infectious and then 301 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:38,719 Speaker 1: go into the doctor. And so would they have beyond 302 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: any immediate thing, right, I mean, hopefully, you know, we're 303 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: going to see an updated version of the of the 304 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 1: vaccine here pretty soon, and hopefully hopefully you know, a 305 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: lot of stuff will be improving for our immediate treatment. 306 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 1: But I would say that our healthcare systems falling apart, 307 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 1: and that to me is what isn't fallen up, Jonathan, 308 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 1: Like in all honesty, I mean, we're going to make 309 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: the transition in a moment because I want to talk 310 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: about all of the mass shootings that happened over this 311 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: you know holiday that's supposed to celebrate freedom, and you know, 312 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: the reality is is one Democrats or don't have any 313 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: type of conversation or push back to the fact that 314 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: it is Republicans that want to make sure that Americans 315 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: are as unsafe and that is including with COVID, that's 316 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: including with guns, that's including with everything as unsafe as possible. Right, 317 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 1: And so whether we're voting against people's healthcare, we're voting 318 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: against vaccine rollout and protection in a pandemic, you're voting for, 319 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 1: you know, everyone to be able to have an a 320 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: R fifteen Like that's where we are. And so with 321 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: this iteration again of COVID, which everyone is emotionally, physically, 322 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 1: spiritually exhausted from, how do you foresee ringing the alarm 323 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,679 Speaker 1: or is it just that we'll just wait for it 324 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: to be as stage fucking five fire the way that 325 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 1: it it has been and flared up over the last 326 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: two years. I mean, it's in the United States. It's 327 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 1: at tension between people's ability to ignore that this is 328 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 1: happening and the virus is really excellent ability to get 329 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:18,120 Speaker 1: our attention, and so if it happens, it's not like 330 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 1: it's going to be super avoidable. I mean again, like 331 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: in the worst case scenario, people are going to really 332 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,360 Speaker 1: see it because they're going to start getting sick. And 333 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: so I think that's I think that's it now. I 334 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: hope I'm wrong. I hope this is just a rise 335 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 1: of mild infection that is the last gasp of the pandemic. 336 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: But I don't know. I don't know. I honestly don't know. 337 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 1: At this point. Let me just I just want to 338 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 1: articulate for everyone who has been listening to Jonathan over 339 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 1: the past two years on this show, you haven't been wrong, 340 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: so the idea. So it's like I would love to 341 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 1: be wrong too about the fall of democracy, Like I'd 342 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,360 Speaker 1: love for somebody to be like Danielle, this is absolutely 343 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: not going to happen, right, But the fact is is 344 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: that we've been having these conversations because we're not wrong 345 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 1: and trying to avoid as much pain and fear and 346 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: anxiety and sickness as possible, right, Like, that's the point 347 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: of the work that we're doing at this ederation. And 348 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: I just you know, you're right. Every time that we 349 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: turn our back on COVID, COVID taps us on the 350 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: shoulder and it's like, no, no, I'm still here. And well, 351 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: I mean, if if people want to do something to 352 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:39,439 Speaker 1: keep informed, follow hospitalization rates in Israel, like that to 353 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: me is the canary in the coal mine. I realize 354 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: it's exactly like the movie World War Z, but but 355 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 1: I feel like that that's the country that has the 356 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:52,159 Speaker 1: one of the higher natural immunities, and when their hospitalizations 357 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: start going up, then that means that this virus is 358 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: breaking breaking through in a way. And so um, I 359 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: mean there are other countries like that. I was just 360 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: in Scandinavia. It's like ninety something percent vaccinated, and so 361 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,400 Speaker 1: I would just say, there are places where we can look. 362 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: And it's not like I have any more information than 363 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: anybody else. I just kind of I'm a non denialist. 364 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 1: I feel like, if it's happening in places that people 365 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: know what's happening and they're prepared, it's probably going to 366 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: happen here, and so that's that's kind of why I'm 367 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 1: trying to spread the word of caution right now. If 368 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 1: anybody's listening, I would just say, for the next two 369 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 1: weeks until we know what this is, enjoy your summer, 370 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: but wear a mask inside. You know. That would be 371 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 1: that would be my main advice right now. Okay, So Jonathan, 372 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: let's switch gears with a few minutes that we have 373 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 1: left to talk about the escalation in um mass shootings 374 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: and gun violence that we've seen over the last couple 375 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 1: of weeks. There was a once again a black man 376 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 1: gunned down in acron, Ohio, Jaln Walker, who I have 377 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: gone on MSNBC to discuss the absolutely heinous and absurd 378 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: use of force with eight officers in a traffic stop 379 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: that ends in a hail of more than ninety rounds 380 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,439 Speaker 1: being released and sixty of them ending up in the 381 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: body of a young black man. You have that where 382 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: there has been, of course protests in Ohio because when 383 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 1: black and brown people protest, we are protesting to not 384 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: be shot dead and to have the same assumptions of 385 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: safety and protection as white people do, which we know 386 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: does not happen in this country. Then there was a 387 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: shooting at a Fourth of July parade in a suburb 388 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: in Chicago, twenty miles twenty miles away from Chicago, halfway 389 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,479 Speaker 1: through the parade, hail of bullets. It's been caught on 390 00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: TikTok video. By bystandards, I believe at this point, when 391 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: the last time I saw it was six people that 392 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: were dead, I think that now it may be eight 393 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 1: or nine. And I believe that the shooter was finally caught, 394 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 1: which means that they were white. And then there was 395 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 1: another shooting in Sacramento. Jonathan, what are you making of 396 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 1: all of this? Are we covering all of this more? 397 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: Or is it increased violence? It's ink, Well, we certainly 398 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: have more mass shootings. That's there's no doubt about that. 399 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: We have more shootings. I trace everything back to unconscionably 400 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: horrific and shitty gun policy. There are many more guns 401 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,640 Speaker 1: on the street, and there's no avenue for people to 402 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: do anything about it right now, And I think it 403 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: links all the narratives that you just told me. I 404 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 1: certainly think, of course that there is horrific police violence 405 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: against communities of color. But I also know from having 406 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: researches for a long time that when the police don't 407 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 1: know who has a gun, they're in shoot first mode 408 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 1: all the time. And there have been cases where I 409 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,199 Speaker 1: believed or not police unions have come out for tighter 410 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: gun policy. Now, this is not about racism. I mean, 411 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: this is about racism also, obviously, But I'm saying, you 412 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:23,880 Speaker 1: know the places where so, so I would just say 413 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: that I bet we're going to see more of that 414 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,679 Speaker 1: kind of thing, because as as there are many more guns, 415 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: it's just people aren't. It's not like, so is this 416 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: a case where I should call mental health or something 417 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 1: like that. Now, in this case it was. It was 418 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,959 Speaker 1: a murder, obviously, But I would also say that I 419 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 1: just don't see how we I just don't see how. 420 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 1: I feel like the police violence problem is many things, 421 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: but it's also connected to the gun problem in a 422 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 1: certain kind of way. I mean absolutely. I mean, but 423 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: here's the thing. When you have a Supreme Court that 424 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,160 Speaker 1: essentially says that everyone in this country has a right 425 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: to a right to conceal and carry, and then you 426 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,640 Speaker 1: set up the laws in such a way that that 427 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: is going to be the case. Police officers no longer 428 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: have a fucking leg to stand on, in my humble opinion, 429 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: to say, oh, we thought they had a gun, because 430 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: you have now a right to have a gun, right, 431 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: a right to have a gun wherever you are. That's 432 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 1: what the Supreme Court has said, that's what the Republican 433 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 1: Party has wanted, right, and so for then for cops 434 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: to turn around and say, well, I thought so and 435 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:30,400 Speaker 1: so had a gun. So right, so like tell me how, 436 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: like how we're not just going to see an escalation, 437 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: but like there is no responsibility to police officers because 438 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: we have qualified immunity, so they can say, I fear 439 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: for my life they had a gun. But yet we 440 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: live in a country that tells you that you can 441 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: have a gun, just not if you're black. As you know, 442 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: I'm writing a book about this topic right now. It's 443 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 1: very complex, it's not there's no one easy answer. I 444 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: can tell you that there are more police shootings and 445 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: places where there are more guns for whatever reason, however 446 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,159 Speaker 1: you want to interpret that. I can also tell you 447 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 1: that there are many examples of police unions trying to 448 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: push back for better gun policy and so it's not 449 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:17,160 Speaker 1: like police are automatically Republican. New York police were strongly 450 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: against the Supreme Court decision. The police union came out 451 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: against m NRA action on kevlar piercing bullets. Campus police 452 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 1: across the country came out against campus Kerry. Their argument 453 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: was always, we get to a scene, we don't know 454 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: who's armed, and we don't know who the shooter is. 455 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: It just makes the outcome a lot worse. Now, I'm 456 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: not trying to but but I'm saying that I just 457 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: think that it's it's actually not true to say that 458 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: all police are automatically Republicans and they and they are 459 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: supporting what's happening. I just I can give plenty of 460 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: examples where that's not the case. And I do just 461 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: think that adding more guns to any situation just increase 462 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 1: is the chance of their being a shooting in that situation. Again, 463 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 1: when you compound it with all the other factors involved, 464 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: including you know, bias and brutality and all those kind 465 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: of factors. But I would say that I certainly think 466 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: we are going to see more of these kind of 467 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: shootings for this exact reason. Because the other point that 468 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: I'm kind of making in the work I'm doing now 469 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: is that police literally can't stop anybody until they fire 470 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: a trigger. Now, obviously that didn't stop them last week. 471 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: But the thing is, there were de escalation tactics that 472 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: police used when they saw an armed person that are 473 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: literally now unconstitutional because everybody has a right to carry 474 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: a gun in public, and so the kind of de 475 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: escalation tactics that were used before, for better or worse, 476 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: I mean obviously a lot of worse are not allowable 477 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: under the Supreme Court rule before you literally have to 478 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: shoot your gun to be in violation of of a law. 479 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: And so in a way, I just think it's it's 480 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: such a toxic, horrible mix, and it's it's just I 481 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: don't know. I when I'm not met about COVID and 482 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: I'm not thinking about puppies and springtime and the love, 483 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: my love of daffodils, I'm thinking how the Supreme Court 484 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 1: decision about guns was among a week of horrible decisions, 485 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: like we're going to it's just going to be in 486 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: our soil for the rest of our country, for our 487 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 1: lives in a way, and so in a way, just 488 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: these kind of situations are going to escalate and what 489 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,479 Speaker 1: I'm telling you is also true not just a police 490 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 1: but also a course of road rage and partner violence 491 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: and all these things like when when you don't know 492 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: if the other person has a gun or you assume 493 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: they do have a gun, it changes, it changes the 494 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: outcome of that interaction. And so I'm not even talking 495 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: about mess shootings. I'm just saying like everyday kind of stuff. 496 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: The fact that every single person has a right to 497 00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:00,239 Speaker 1: own a gun, and we all have as there are 498 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: firecrackers and cars backfire and everybody whips out there gun 499 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: now and stuff like that. So I don't know, it's 500 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: just what the Supreme Court did. We're so I mean, 501 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: I'm not going to use the word I'm thinking, but 502 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: I'll just say it was so unconformable on lovel of 503 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 1: humanity in a way, because I think we're going to 504 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: see much more stuff like this. Yeah, I mean, I 505 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: just you know, I honestly I think that we are 506 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 1: living in and I keep saying this because I have 507 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: no point of reference. This has got to be one 508 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 1: of the most dangerous times in that that this country 509 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 1: has seen where there is just a confluence. It's like 510 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: the perfect tsunami of like violence, of pandemic, of climate change, 511 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: of scarcity, of inflation, of guns, like of racism. It's like, 512 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 1: you couldn't get worse if I think that if you tried, 513 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 1: right like this, this is where we are, and I'm 514 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: not quite sure how people continue to keep themselves safe 515 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: and to stay safe when the Supreme Court literally took 516 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: away any aspect of safety we thought that we would have, 517 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: which is maybe live in a state that doesn't have 518 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 1: access to guns in that way, and now you have 519 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: no choice but to be surrounded by them. That's the 520 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: kind of life that we have set up here in 521 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: this country. And then tell us we need classrooms with 522 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: more doors. Doctor Jonathan mepzol As always, thank you so 523 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 1: much for taking the time to be with us, to 524 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: remind us of the importance and the danger that COVID 525 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:49,239 Speaker 1: still presents, and to kind of walk us through this um, 526 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: this mayhem that we're living in. We appreciate you. Stay safe, everybody. 527 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: We'll keep talking and we'll just we'll get through this. 528 00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: I don't know, but sure, Hey, I'm David. Plots of 529 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: slights political gabfest. 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