WEBVTT - A Different Kind of Web Developer—Spiders! 0:00:04.640 --> 0:00:05.760 Hi, I'm Rick Schwartz. 0:00:06.000 --> 0:00:07.840 But 's see this world. I'm Marco Wentz. 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:11.440 Welcome to Amazing Wildlife, where we explore unique stories of 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:14.880 wildlife from around the world and uncover fascinating animal facts. 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:18.439 This podcast is a production of iHeartRadio's Ruby Studio and 0:00:18.520 --> 0:00:23.000 San Diego Zoo Wildlife Alliance, an international nonprofit conservation organization 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:25.680 which oversees the San Diego Zoo and Safari Park. 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:30.120 So, you know, Rick, we wrapped up our last episode 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:33.680 teasing out today's topic, and I know it might make 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:37.479 some people a little uncomfortable, right to have a whole 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:39.440 episode dedicated to spiders. 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:43.040 Yes, yes, I agree, and dear listener, please hang in 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:44.919 there and listen to the full episode. I know there 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:48.000 are plenty of people who like, appreciate, or at the 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:51.519 very least tolerate spiders, but I am also aware there 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:53.440 are plenty of people who do not like them at all, 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:56.920 and some who have a physical, actual physical reaction to 0:00:56.960 --> 0:00:59.160 spiders due to a phobia. In fact, when I was 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:01.960 looking into it, a rachnophobia is listed as the most 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:05.039 common phobia, affecting four to fifteen percent of the population. 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:07.520 Wow, I didn't know that, but you know, I guess 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:10.800 it's important that we preface this episode with letting everyone 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:13.760 know that we're not planning on doing anything you know, creepy, 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:16.160 we're scary, right or unsettling. 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:18.440 We just want to take the time to get to 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:19.400 know more about. 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:23.959 These really cool animals and hopefully shatter any myths or misconceptions. 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:26.319 Exactly we need to learn more, like do we even 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:28.920 need spiders here on planet Earth? Or why do some 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:31.400 spiders make webs in dark corners while theres make them 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:33.360 right the way where we walk? Oh? 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:35.920 Yeah, right, I mean it's never fun walking into a 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:36.360 spider web. 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:38.520 Spider web dance, spider dance. 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:40.919 You know, I'd like to know if there's any truth 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:43.600 to the power of the venom right of certain species, 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:45.600 and oh is it dangerous to humans? 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:48.520 Or why does a spider even need venom? You know? 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:49.920 There's so much more now. 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:52.360 And speaking of more, do you know how many different 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:54.080 species of spider there are? Oh? 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:56.240 No, I don't even know how to guess that number. 0:01:56.360 --> 0:01:57.600 I would totally be wrong. 0:01:57.680 --> 0:01:59.400 Yeah, you and me both. I don't know either. But 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:02.200 the good news is we can find out because we 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:04.720 are fortunate enough to have some of the best of 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:06.480 the best at the San Diego Zoo. When it comes 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:09.160 to entomology, which is the study of insects in the 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:13.360 relationship with the environment, humans and other organisms in the ecosystem. 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:15.800 Oh, I know, and they are over at Wildlife Explorer's 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:18.600 Base Camp at the San Diego Zoo. If our listeners 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:22.239 want to really be immersed in the fascinating world of entomology, 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:25.680 they must visit the Spineless Marvels Building at base Camp. 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:27.960 Yes, yes, I completely agree, Marko. And no matter how 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:31.120 you feel about insects, bugs and spiders, the Spineless Marvels 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:34.080 Building allows you to explore the diversity of animals you 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:36.440 normally wouldn't see, and maybe some of you wouldn't want 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:39.960 to see. But when you get to learn more about something, 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:42.280 you tend to understand it better. And when you do that, 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:44.079 the fear tends to become less powerful. 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:46.639 Oh, I personally love spider. I know, right? 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:48.480 And when Rick, you know the word in Spanish for 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:51.040 a spider, it's a lot of fun. It's a rangya, right, 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:54.680 isn't that cool? So kids, roll your and oh, you're 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:57.760 absolutely right. We should head over to Wildlife Explorer's Base 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:02.840 Camp to learn more about the misunderstood and sometimes unappreciated spider. 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:05.239 It's true. You know, you said you love spiders. I 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:10.600 guess it'd be fair to say spiders don't bug you. Okay, 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:13.359 all kidding aside, let's do this. We have questions. En 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:15.280 Oer Entomology Department has answers. 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:18.160 All right, let's go to the San diego Zo Bays camp. 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:18.800 Here we come. 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:28.200 I am Taylor Cook. I am the Wildlifecare supervisor for 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:29.639 the Entomology Department. 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:32.000 Taylor, thank you so much for taking time. I want 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:35.200 to let our audience know we are sitting in your office. 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:39.040 We are not that far away from where everyone could 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:42.720 come and see a wide variety of spineless marvels as 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:43.360 a building said. 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:43.720 Nice. 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:49.240 But we are here to learn about a particular animal 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:52.680 group or species, several species. 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:54.600 That a lot of people seem to have. 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:56.560 A fear of. 0:03:56.720 --> 0:03:58.440 But I'm not going to think of maybe the he 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:00.040 be gb. 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:01.160 Gbs to put it scientific. 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:03.520 I mean right, I'm very scientific symptimes. 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:06.040 I've made a joke prior because my husband, Kobe, he 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:08.920 also works at the organization. He doesn't have a little 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:11.000 bit of a fear, let's say, of spiders, you know, 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:13.040 but that's the thing we want to talk about today, 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:16.040 you know, because we work with amazing wildlife, from pandas 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:20.560 to hornbills, but people often forget to the diversity of 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:21.640 insects in the world. 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:23.159 I mean it's incredible. 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:26.080 I mean, isn't a fact that there are more beetles 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:28.479 in the world than there are same mammals, you know, 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:29.799 on their entire planet. 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:31.040 That's crazy, right. 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:32.640 So I mean speak a little about that. What do 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:35.040 you guys do here? What's the official name, let's say, 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:35.880 of this area here. 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:40.039 Yeah, so we're currently at the Invertebrate Propagation Center, and 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:43.680 so the key there is invertebrate because there's so many 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:46.960 animals that are considered invertebrates. Yeah, insects or what you 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:49.600 know of that have you know, six legs, three segments, 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:51.279 and then we also have a rap nudes that have 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:53.599 more like two segments and eight legs. 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:57.920 Okay, to separate for anyone losening who may not know, invertebrate. 0:04:57.480 --> 0:04:58.039 Me thank you. 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:00.880 Invertebrate means that they do not we have bones like 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:03.359 we do. They have exoskeletons, so they have to go 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:06.120 through a molting process to get much bigger. It's very 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:09.080 different than our bones. That grow from the inside, so 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:11.960 they don't have vertebrae I think of the backbone, so 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:13.920 they are in as and they do not have that, 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:15.320 So it's a little different. 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:18.520 So for kids who are listening, you can feel on 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:20.560 your arm that you have muscles around the bone of 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:23.760 your arm. Whereas our friends were talking about today, if 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:25.600 you're to touch in their heart on the outside, that's 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:28.040 their skeletal structure based on the outside, and all their 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:30.320 muscles and organs and everything else are on the inside. 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:32.800 So it's kind of a cool comparison. And to what 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:36.920 Marko was saying earlier about this fear or dislike of spiders, 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:39.120 I would love to spend some time with you debunking that. 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:41.359 Letting our audio not debunking it, I mean, because I 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:45.599 think somebody's fear is legitimate to them. But I also 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:47.599 know the more we learn about things, we can get 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:49.600 past some of the things we fear, or at least 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:54.159 have a healthy respect for, right exactly a little bit, 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:57.320 first and foremost, why do you think a rachnophobia or 0:05:57.320 --> 0:05:58.680 fear of spiders is a thing? 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:04.000 You know, spiders and ratnas in general, they end up 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:06.560 in the corner of your room and they're just kind 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:09.200 of sitting there. You don't know what's going on. You 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:10.799 just see a lot of leggs, and I think. 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:13.479 A lot of legs. 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:16.320 The legs is what I believe is kind of what 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:17.840 turns people away from them. 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:19.919 And you know, some of them tend to be a 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:20.600 darker color. 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:22.120 And again they're just in the corner of the room 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:26.000 with cobwebs everywhere. And you know, we hear about how 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:28.560 they're venomous they're going to bite you, but anything with 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:29.719 them out can bite. 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:34.160 And we were just talking with Nikki right about the 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:39.360 job pressure of general. But it's a good point that 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:41.680 you're saying too, because I mean, we're mammals and we 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:44.120 have this tendency when we see something big and fuzzy 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:46.560 with big ears and big eyes, it's really easy to 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:48.880 connect with, right And you guys know, being a bird guy, like, 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:51.159 it's always been a passion of mind to try to 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:53.720 get people just as excited for the non mammals out there. 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:55.800 So I would imagine it's the same thing, Oh yeah 0:06:55.839 --> 0:06:57.320 with a spider, right, yeah. 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:00.640 So in my case, I grew up love spiders just 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:03.400 because I loved animals. So the closest animal I can 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:07.120 get to were the spiders in my home. And luckily, 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:10.920 my mom she always loves spiders and tranchllas. Growing up, 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:13.240 she'd tell me she's from San Diego and that's where 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:15.760 I am too, and she'd go out and catch translas 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:18.400 in her backyard and play with trapdoor spiders by tapping 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:20.560 in front of them, and so I just wanted to 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:20.960 be like my. 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:22.040 Mom, so I do the same thing. 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:24.640 So I'd collect the spiders in the house and I 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:27.120 would go outside all the time look for traandlas, and 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:29.960 sadly I never really saw them, and that's a whole 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:32.840 issue with habitat loss as well. But so I luckily 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:35.800 grew up in an environment where spiders were very welcomed. However, 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:38.800 my friends did not have their response, and they would 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:44.320 crush them, and I'd be very sad. So I do 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:46.840 think it does have to do with perspective, people having 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:50.320 fear of the venom, fear of you know, them crawling 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:53.800 on you with all the legs. But honestly, spiders do 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:57.600 not like us right now. 0:07:57.640 --> 0:07:58.560 And they're sensitive. 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:00.720 If they touch something they don't like, they're a little 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:03.240 diva and they just go, I don't want that if 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:05.120 it's on you. They're really just in one place to 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:07.920 the next and hoping you don't notice them. So I 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:09.880 think that's why, you know, people don't really like them, 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:11.160 because they're word it's gonna crawl. 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:13.080 On them, they get off. Yeah, And I think it's 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:15.240 another part too, is a learned fear. We see it 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:18.320 in movies and TV shows. I mean, I'm old enough 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:19.840 to remember The Brady Bunch and one of there was 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:22.920 a big episode about this talisman that was cursed and 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:25.000 that the curse was this giant spider would it was 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:27.320 a translate, right, And like there was a whole like 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:32.679 back to back two episodes special with the It's horrible Wow, 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:34.800 and then of course the racnophobia the movie, and then 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:38.199 just it's perpetuated throughout all of our scary movies in general. 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:41.720 And I think, like you mentioned, yes, the legs, you know, 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:43.920 and they're in the corners. They prefer the dark spots 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:46.280 because that's where their food's gonna usually end up, where 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:49.920 they can catch it. But yeah, they're so fascinating, and 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:53.640 I think there's an opportunity that when so you grew 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:56.760 up with the exposure of they're cool and they're interesting, 0:08:56.880 --> 0:08:58.679 other people grow up with someone who thinks, Eh, they're 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:00.600 gross and they want to squish them, right, But if 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:03.000 we can take the time to watch them, observe them, 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:05.439 respect them, or realize they're not there to hurt us, because, 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:06.800 like you said, we're giant mammals. 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:09.240 I mean, could you. 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:14.679 Imagine the scale difference if we as humans saw another 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:18.000 living creature as big in comparison as we are to spiders, right, 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:21.080 I mean, we'd be terrified. So there's a matter of 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:23.319 opportunity of also getting some perspective like, yeah, they're in 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:26.000 the corner and they might have multiple eyes and creep 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:28.600 you out, but realistically you're huge compared to them, so 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:30.320 they'd rather you just leave them alone so they can 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:30.880 have their snack. 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:32.560 And that's why I love this episode too, I mean, 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:35.079 just so we can showcase the other aspects of wildlife 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:35.640 with spiders. 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:37.760 I mean, luckily I grew up with Spider Man. 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:41.040 So if that's where it started with, absolutely love that 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:41.640 whole story. 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:43.800 And that's what my passion for spiders was. 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:45.920 And like you, I'm a native Sandy Agan and I 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:49.760 remember being a kid and seeing our native tarantelas all about. 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:52.440 But every year, less and less and less of them 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:54.480 can you speak a little bit about what are some 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:57.360 of the obstacles that spider species are facing, not only 0:09:57.440 --> 0:09:59.280 locally but in other parts of the world. 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:03.120 So habitat loss impacts a lot of species, and especially 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:05.920 in San Diego other parts of California, that's been a 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:08.600 big impact. So I grew up on the canyon, there's 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:11.000 been tons of development, so we're just seeing less and less, 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:14.760 both spiders translas, also frogs. I used to grow up 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:17.120 with frogs everywhere, and I don't see them anymore. But 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:20.920 besides habitat loss and pesticide use is also really big. 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:24.480 A lot of translas around the world are impacted by 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:27.840 wildlife trafficking, So I know when I learned about wildlife 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:32.200 trafficking is usually mammals people employing tigers, but translas are 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:36.680 heavily collected illegally and especially really endangered species as well, 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:38.439 and that is decimating their populations. 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:40.600 Is that for the pet trade or is there other things? 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:44.560 Like some species they're collected for theoretical medicinal purposes. People 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:47.040 think there's something medicinal about body parts or whatever. What 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:48.800 is the draw for people to try and do this 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:49.520 with tarantulas? 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:53.200 Yeah, primarily for translas it is for the pet trade, 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:56.520 so a lot of people do want to collect the coolest, 0:10:56.640 --> 0:11:01.240 newest rarest thing, and a lot of those from South America. 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:04.000 It's usually where they collect a lot of those arachnids, 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:07.400 but also can spread into Asia as well. But yeah, 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:10.280 it's mainly for the pet trade. So wild caught ones, 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:12.000 you know that a lot of them are not legally 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:14.760 able to come into the United States or being sold 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:18.080 as pets. There are lots of people who legally breed 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:21.440 them in captivity and translis do make great pets, but 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:25.000 there are certain species that again do make those wonderful 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:28.400 pets and are legally and ethically bred for that purpose, 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:30.120 not collected from their native habitas. 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:32.080 Right before the interview, we're just talking. I actually have 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:33.200 a curly head trains. 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:34.400 Her name is Tara. 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:37.400 I love her so much and she's got great personality. 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:39.319 But to your point, and especially all the kids listening 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:41.200 right now, like I just got back from a trip 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:43.640 place in Mexico called Tlahomulco, and they have a big 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:46.960 issue with wildlife trafficking as well native species, crocodiles and. 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:47.840 Insects as well. 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:50.240 I tell these kids in the area, you know you 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:52.640 have the power right every day with your dollar that 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:55.400 you buy, we're communicating to these people whether we want 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:58.160 to support something or not. And when I acquired Tara 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:00.160 to be part of our family, and we did the 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:03.120 research to make sure that this wasn't a traffic animal. 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:05.800 Could you give a little tips and little advice Maybe 0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:07.600 kids out there who are thinking of you know, maybe 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:09.320 I do want to try to Ranta like something to 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:10.400 think about in that regard. 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:12.199 Yeah, and how would they find out if it's that 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:14.679 we thank you raised and source? You know, what is 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:16.920 the research someone should do? And maybe a kid could 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:18.000 ask their parent to help them. 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:21.400 Right, So you can always ask where you're purchasing your 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:23.440 transla from. You know, where did this come from? If 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:25.920 they said, oh, we got this straight from Brazil, you 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:29.640 might want to start questioning that. And you can easily research, 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:32.600 you know, what is allowed in California. US Fish and 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:35.920 Wildlife will have information about the species that are allowed 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:39.640 here and recommendations as well. So there's a little bit 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:41.760 of your own research you should probably do because there's 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:44.120 lots of species we can keep and lots that we cannot. 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:46.839 So if you're interested in you know, curly hairs or 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:50.439 Pinto's just making sure that you look up if that's allowed, 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:53.960 and usually what the history of the reader is. So 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:57.960 if they've been doing generations of that transla, they're probably 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:01.160 in good hands. But if it's something new and exciting, 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:02.840 that's where the red flags. 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:05.480 Right, ask the question right where dig a little. 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:07.079 Bit right, it's too good to be true? 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:09.120 If that's too good to be true, like wow, this 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:13.439 is so rare and special, really expensive, and things like that's. 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:16.200 Maybe not And I want to encourage too the other 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:18.640 side of the research. Once you've found out if it 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:22.000 is through a breeder with multiple generations, also do a 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:24.560 lot of work and research on what this animal needs. 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:26.520 Sometimes we just think, oh, I'll bring it home and 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:29.920 I'll love it and it'll be fine. But certain species, regardless, 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:32.120 they need a drier condition than maybe than where you live, 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:34.200 or a damper condition than where you live. So you 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:37.000 have to be able to create a responsible environment for 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:40.160 them to make sure that they have everything they need, 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:42.960 and you can provide that. It's not just as simple 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:45.360 bring it home and put it in an aquarium exactly. 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:47.120 And also you know, having a torrenso I don't know 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:48.559 what you think, but it's not the same thing as 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:50.640 maybe having a dog, you know, or having a cat. 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:52.640 So I mean, do your research. 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:54.679 I mean I loved hair, but I don't really handle her, 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:56.640 you know, give her the environment she needs, and it's 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:59.319 great just to watch with their natural behaviors. Actually, I 0:13:59.360 --> 0:14:01.319 wanted to go back a little bit. Can you talk 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:03.760 about like what makes a tarantula taransula? Like why are 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:05.319 they different than other spiders? 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:09.240 You know, yeah, so are rappids you have, you know, 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:12.680 your spiders, your scorpions, mites, and ticks are even in that. 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:15.920 Once you start to break down that class, you also 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:18.960 start to have spiders, and within spiders you have your 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:21.680 tree spiders, and then you also have translas. So I 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:24.520 would say all tarantulas are spiders, but not all spiders 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:28.480 are trantulas, right, and so they still both have eight legs, 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:33.600 but with translas they're pretty hairy. They're very big as well. 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:36.560 And also translas the females can live up to twenty 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:40.040 five years, so they're very long lived, but then spiders 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:42.920 maybe one to two years. And they do take on 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:46.720 different roles, but primarily the biggest difference is their size, 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:49.440 the role that they play, and then also a lot 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:51.840 of hair on the translas. Spiders have hairs too, but 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:52.720 much finer and. 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:55.960 A little different I would imagine, more terrestrial than other spiders. 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:58.160 Or are there some that actually a little more boreal there? 0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:00.920 Yeah, there are boreal translas, but most of the ones 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:03.640 I'm familiar with they burrow as well, and you're going 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:06.840 to find there's trap door spiders that hang up underground. 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:09.400 But most of the spiders you see are not going 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:11.520 to be living underground quite as much as translas are. 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:14.200 But yes, there are our boreal translas as well, and 0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:17.000 they do their web being much differently than spiders as well. 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:18.800 Actually, can you highlight a little bit of that, you know, 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:20.960 because the hairs are for a reason, right, for maybe 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:22.080 defense as well. 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:25.240 Yeah, So some of our New World tranchlas, so New 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:27.600 worlds come the Western hemisphere. So a lot of the 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:31.960 Americas New World translas have they're called irritating hairs, okay, 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:34.200 and they use that as a defense mechanism. They can 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:36.880 kick those hairs and it's pretty irritable. It's going to 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:38.960 make your skin itch. If it gets into your airways, 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:41.160 you're going to start coughing. You do not want to 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:44.560 be around a transla kicking its hair, no kidding, So 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:46.560 that's our first line of defense. And usually they're not 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:49.000 one to want to bite you if you really got 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:52.160 to be doing something to provoke that. And their venom 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:55.880 is not very potent either, So yes, Transella's not in 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:58.600 the New World at least not super venom is very 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:01.360 hairy and can have some irritate eating hairs. The other 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:04.360 thing for tarantulas is they don't have very good eyesight 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:08.040 and they primarily rely on vibrations, and so having lots 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:10.200 of hairs is going to help them sense that vibrations. 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:13.480 So if you're hanging out underground, something crawls near them, 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:16.760 they can feel that vibrations and then strike from their burrows. 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:17.280 Oh cool. 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:19.800 Do they use some of that webbing because Hara will 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:21.920 put out webbings all around the ground, you know, and 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:24.760 I figure that's her sensory perception in a way, right, 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:26.640 feeling out what's going on in the environment. 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:29.800 Yeah, webbing totally helps with that, and you know, or weavers, 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:32.280 so kind of going back to spiders will also create 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:35.000 webs that when prey flies into it, they can sense 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:37.120 the vibration and then go catch their food from that. 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:40.560 So spiders are very sensitive to vibrations. That's a really 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:41.960 wonderful trait that they have. 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:44.200 So eyesight maybe not so much. 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:48.880 You know, dragonflies have incredible eyesight for insects, but arachnids 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:51.640 at least, but the case for spiders and translas, it's 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:52.320 not as good. 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:55.040 Even multiple eyes, that's a good point. 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:57.560 Yeah, most of them can have about eight eyes. 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:03.680 Might help out, but not necessarily. 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:05.119 It's decent. 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:08.760 It usually helps for light receptions, so they're going to 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:11.440 notice if there's a change in light, change of light 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:13.320 to dark, then that's going to help them. Since their 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:16.040 surroundings have a little bit more of that three sixty view, 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:19.359 so again we're still in the more limited scope. They 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:21.640 have much wider so they can see things coming from 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:23.440 behind them by having those multiple eyes. 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:26.399 Yeah, well like the birds both right totally. 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:28.840 But I was going to say, like you mentioned New World, 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:32.479 is there some differences with the Old World like Europe, Asia, Africa. 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:36.440 Yeah, we've tend to find that the Old World translates 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:38.800 are not quite as hairy and they don't have their 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:42.320 ridicating hairs that they kick out, but they do tend 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:44.919