1 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: Well, hey Angel fans, and welcome back to Halo Territory. 2 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: I am Mike D. G Gievanna, former La Times Baseball 3 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: writer and host of the show, joined as usual by 4 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: my co host Mark Trumbo, the former Angel slugger, and 5 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: our special guest today is Keith Law. Keith is a 6 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: senior writer for The Athletic. Former special assistant to the 7 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: Toronto Blue Jays general manager, Keith writes extensively about prospects 8 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: and the draft for the Athletic. Keith, really glad to 9 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: have you on here. Welcome to the show. 10 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 2: How you doing today, I'm good, Thanks for having me. 11 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: You guys doing great, doing great. We thought before we 12 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: dive into the Angels farm system that we I was 13 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: hoping Keith, you could sort of give us a little 14 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: peak behind a curtain on how you do your job, 15 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: Like how vast is the network of scouts and player 16 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 1: to play development people that you tap for your prospect lists, 17 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: your mock drafts. How much video are you watching throughout 18 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 1: the week, and how much evaluation do you do with 19 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: your own eyes. 20 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the most important part. I mean, I wish 21 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,839 Speaker 2: I could do more, honestly, but I go out. 22 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 1: I'll be out. 23 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 2: Not this weekend, next weekend. College season starts this Friday. 24 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 2: We got a family birthday, so I'll be home for 25 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 2: that following weekend. I'll go out and be out almost 26 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 2: every weekend until we get to May. I'll do spring 27 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 2: training in Arizona for sure, probably Florida. I hate Florida, Mark, 28 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 2: I'm sure you can attest that it is no comparison 29 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 2: between the two. And then during the season as much 30 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 2: minor league stuff as I can reasonably get to. I 31 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 2: live in Wilmington, Delaware. I've got eight teams within two 32 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 2: hours of me. I'm always watching to see who's coming through. 33 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 2: In addition, obviously just evaluating the local guys, you know, 34 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 2: do the future game, do the Fall League, and then 35 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 2: all year I'm just talking to guys naturally, like I do. 36 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 2: Know a lot of scouts and executives. There are some 37 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 2: I just talk to more because they like to talk. 38 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 2: There are guys who just you know, you sort of 39 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,239 Speaker 2: get a feel for who's willing to talk and just say, 40 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:17,839 Speaker 2: here are the guys I saw, here's what I think, 41 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 2: And who is the type who just wants to get 42 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 2: on the phone and just talk baseball. 43 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: For an hour or so? 44 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 2: Because I also like doing that. I can talk on 45 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 2: the phone for hours, particularly if we're talking baseball, and 46 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 2: so I kind of do that throughout the year for 47 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 2: this process. The last six weeks or so have just 48 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 2: been heavy video work, some like data work, nothing compared 49 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 2: to what teams are doing. And then last three three 50 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 2: and a half weeks it's just been writing constantly where 51 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 2: I have Synergy as a video and data app that 52 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 2: I have access to and got all my notes and 53 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 2: eighty tabs open and Chrome and then I'm wondering why 54 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 2: my computer is not running so fast, and just just 55 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 2: plow through them, three teams a day, every day until 56 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 2: it was done. I think I finished the last one 57 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 2: on Saturday night. Everyone was to sleep here and I 58 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, I could finish. I could 59 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 2: just finally be done, finished off the Blue Jay so 60 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 2: I could enjoy Bad Bunny in peace on side. 61 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 1: There you go. All right, Well, let's dig into this 62 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,399 Speaker 1: Angels farm system. As Halo fans know, they've had ten 63 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: straight losing seasons, and six of those seasons they've lost 64 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: eighty eight games or more. So they've picked in the 65 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: top half of the draft. I believe it's nine times 66 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: in twelve years they've been in the top ten, and 67 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: four of those years, yet their farm system has been 68 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: ranked in the bottom five for like the last five 69 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: straight years. How is that possible when this team is 70 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: picking so high on the draft every year. 71 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 2: It's a combination of not a lot of success in 72 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 2: the draft, and also their last three first rounders are 73 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,839 Speaker 2: all in the big leagues, and whatever you think of them, 74 00:03:56,320 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 2: they don't qualify as prospects anymore. For I think most 75 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 2: of us, those of us who do it full time, 76 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 2: we just use the rookie of the year eligibility, and 77 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 2: so Zach Netto was out almost immediately, Nolan Chanuel and 78 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 2: Christian Moore, I think each of them would have been 79 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 2: eligible one time, and then they were in the big leagues. 80 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 2: So most other systems that you look at, they'll have 81 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 2: a couple of first rounders sort of littered through. They're 82 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 2: usually high in the top ten, but at least on 83 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 2: the top twenty, and the Angels have lost out on that. 84 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 2: But then also, I'm sure we'll talk more about this. 85 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 2: They've had some drafts that just really haven't worked out, 86 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 2: and they've i think so much of their draft philosophy 87 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 2: has been about getting guys who can either get to 88 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,359 Speaker 2: the big leagues quickly or potentially be tradable for them 89 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 2: for major league help, that it has resulted in worse 90 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 2: outcomes for them in the draft, whether getting guys who 91 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 2: aren't high seiling enough or who aren't developing enough, or 92 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 2: who get into the system and they stall, which I 93 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 2: think is probably more applicable to some of their international 94 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 2: free agents, but it's been true on the draft side too. 95 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 2: They've taken guys I have liked who've gotten in and 96 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 2: just haven't improved anywhere near up to expectations. 97 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 3: That makes a lot of sense. That is kind of 98 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 3: what we have talked about as well. You commented that 99 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 3: twenty two year old Denzer Guzman really didn't belong in 100 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 3: the big leagues last year. He didn't have any success 101 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 3: and it didn't look like he was ready quite frankly, 102 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 3: Nelson rod is twenty and Joshua Lugo's nineteen, they're right 103 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 3: behind him, also candidates for maybe premature promotions. How widespread 104 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 3: is this through the Angel system, especially the international players. 105 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear this a lot from friends of mine, 106 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 2: scout friends of mine who cover the Angels, where it's 107 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 2: there it's like a disclaimer constantly, where it's like, what 108 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 2: do you think of Nelson Rada? And you know, one 109 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 2: guy said he's got to be their best prospect. Now 110 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 2: he hadn't seen Bremner yet at that point, Rex Bremner 111 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 2: didn't pitch, but you know, of the guy who are 112 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 2: already in the system, he said, Rod is clearly the 113 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 2: best guy, but he didn't belong to Double A. He 114 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 2: didn't belong in Triple A. It's just this constant caveat 115 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 2: that they're offering. We like these players, we think they 116 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 2: have ability, but they shouldn't have been at the levels 117 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 2: they were at, and I do think it ends up 118 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 2: hurting a lot of these players development. Where Guzmud, I mean, 119 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 2: that poor guy looked like he was in survival mode. 120 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 2: I'm impressed that he was able to have this season 121 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 2: he had. When that same scout I'm talking about he 122 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 2: said he saw Guzman in Double A and he's like, 123 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 2: I do you know, I don't even know if they 124 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 2: can send this guy out to Double A and spreams 125 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 2: playing with that squad in spring training and started slow 126 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 2: and then just got you know what, played well enough 127 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 2: there to earn a promotion to Triple A and then 128 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 2: struggled with contact in Triple A, and then they promote 129 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 2: him to the big leagues anyway because according to them, 130 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 2: they just they had a need. Geez. That is not 131 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 2: how you develop players based on your need at the time. 132 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,359 Speaker 2: It's based on what the player actually needs. And so 133 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 2: I think because he is international free agents, they typically 134 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 2: come in at sixteen or seventeen, it's more blatant when 135 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 2: they get rushed versus all the college guys they've drafted. 136 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 2: They might promote some of them too quickly. I think 137 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 2: more got promoted to the majors too quickly, but it's 138 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 2: not as noticeable because he's twenty two and he looks 139 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:00,040 Speaker 2: like a man at that point, where some of the 140 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 2: these guys still look like kids. Jo Oswa Lugo still 141 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 2: looks super young. So if they rush him up to 142 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,679 Speaker 2: Double A this year, it's going to be pretty glaring. 143 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 2: It's just less so with the college guys. 144 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit a bit about their top prospect, 145 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: Tyler Bremner, a number two overall pick last year, and 146 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: your recent report you described him as a guy who 147 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: quote doesn't have a lot of ceiling beyond a number 148 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: three starter. I know Bremner was a way under slot pick, 149 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: but don't you need to get a little more than 150 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: a number three starter with a number two overall pick 151 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: in the draft. 152 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 2: I think so, and I hope I'm wrong, but I 153 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 2: saw him. I actually got his worst start of the year, 154 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 2: second weekend out where you give up seven runs to 155 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 2: University Seattle University not exactly a SEC powerhouse there. He 156 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 2: throws hard, and he does have a really good change up. 157 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 2: You know, this could be a Michael Waka level change up. 158 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 2: It could be a kind of a Michael Waka level package. 159 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 2: If the fastball gets a little bit better in quality, 160 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 2: I think he could be that kind of pitcher. Bremner 161 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 2: does not have a great breaking ball. He throws a slider. 162 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 2: Now he gets a high spin rate on it, but 163 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 2: it's not very effective. It doesn't break that sharply. Some 164 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 2: of it is how he lands. I just think he 165 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 2: has a hard time working to his gloves side. Maybe 166 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 2: the Angels can help that. They're not an organization that's 167 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 2: had a lot of success, I think in terms of 168 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 2: making significant mechanical changes to guys hitters or pitchers to 169 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 2: get them to improve. That, however, is what I think 170 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,559 Speaker 2: he would need to do get a better breaking pitch 171 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 2: anyway that he can to be more than a number 172 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 2: three star as currently constituted. I think it is the 173 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 2: Michael Locha skill set and walk has been a valuable 174 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 2: Big leaguer for a long time, but he's never been 175 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 2: somebody you want pitching in the first or second spot 176 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 2: in irritation. You like him because he throws strikes. The 177 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 2: change up is a real out pitch, and at least 178 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 2: when he was younger he was able to handle some innings. 179 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 2: He's done a little bit of that for the Royals too, 180 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 2: so he's. 181 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: A good pitcher. 182 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 2: I think you want more than that when you pick second. 183 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 2: I think they've passed on some higher ceiling guys, maybe 184 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 2: a little higher risk. We're a little further away from 185 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 2: being able to help a big league club than Bremner, 186 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 2: but would have been better selections in my opinion at 187 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 2: the second pick. 188 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: All right, we're going to take a little break and 189 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:14,079 Speaker 1: hear from our sponsors. We'll be right back with Halo Territory. 190 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 4: Hey, sometimes we do a little game on Foul Territory 191 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 4: called role play. It's not what you think. We're just 192 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 4: picking up our phones, and we're talking as if we're 193 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 4: somebody in baseball. 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I believe Mark 210 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: Trumbo has the next question. 211 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 3: You described high school left in a picture Johnny Slowinski 212 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 3: as the best pick of the draft class for the Angels. 213 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 3: What did you like about Johnny? What what what made 214 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 3: him stand out amongst these other guys, And there are 215 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 3: some strong picks that they took this year. 216 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 2: It's a real upside play and the kind of thing 217 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 2: I think they need to be doing more of because 218 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 2: they need stars this major league roster. Kazaknettos turned into 219 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 2: a pretty good big leaguer. I think Shaniel is going 220 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 2: to be maybe a solid average big leaguer, but they 221 00:10:56,080 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 2: need stars and Slowinsky was one of the most interesting 222 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 2: high school pitchers in the draft class. He's left handed, 223 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 2: He's super athletic. He's a multi sport guy who doesn't 224 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 2: have as much baseball experience as some of the baseball 225 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 2: only guys, which I often think you always want to 226 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 2: bet on the athletes because you know they can make 227 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:17,959 Speaker 2: more adjustments, they're more flexible, and also the limited experiences, 228 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 2: to meither may be more growth just from him focusing 229 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:24,599 Speaker 2: on one sport. And he already showed three pitches, not 230 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 2: necessarily plus right now, but enough makings of three pitches 231 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 2: that you could project forward as he gets stronger, as 232 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 2: he gets into professional development, you could see him having 233 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 2: his low nineties fastball gets up to the mid nineties. 234 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 2: The slider, it's already pretty good. Maybe that ends up 235 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,199 Speaker 2: an out pitch for him, has enough of a change 236 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 2: up already to say he can be a three pitch 237 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 2: guy to stay as a starter. They just haven't shot 238 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 2: for the moon very much in the draft. And whether 239 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:51,199 Speaker 2: I don't even care at this point, if it's a 240 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 2: hitter or a pitcher. You got to go for some 241 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 2: upside here. You've got to go for somebody who might 242 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,559 Speaker 2: pitch in the top two spots of rotation, might hit two, three, 243 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 2: or four in a lineup, because they have chased after 244 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 2: those guys enough. So I was legitimately excited when I 245 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 2: heard them take Slewinski and I happen to know the 246 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,839 Speaker 2: scout who who drafted in the area, scout down there Ton. 247 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 2: It's like, oh my god, you got you got your guy, 248 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 2: you got a chance for you know, everything works out. 249 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 2: This is a guy who's an all star for you. 250 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 2: And that's exciting for scouts, and I think Angels fans 251 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 2: should be cautiously excited these high school pictures. Guys stay healthy, 252 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 2: but this is a pretty good package. They haven't had 253 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 2: a lot of guys like this in their system. I 254 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 2: would say on draft Day, I like Sewinsky more than 255 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 2: I liked Caden Dana at the time of his draft. 256 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 2: To just pick another high school picture was at least 257 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 2: he's worked out in the sense at least he's gotten 258 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 2: to the big leagues. His story is not written, but 259 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 2: at least he made it there. 260 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: Who else do you like out of that twenty five draft. 261 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: I know I'm probably projecting a little just based on body, 262 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: but that Chase Shore's kid seems to be pretty projectable 263 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: in terms of tools and you know, everything you want 264 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: and a big league picture. 265 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 2: He's huge, right, He's listed it six A two forty 266 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:00,080 Speaker 2: five mcbe little heavier and that that was fine. If 267 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 2: anybody watched the College World Series, right, he closed it 268 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 2: out for them and they could not hit the fastball. 269 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 2: I don't think he's a starter. I do like him. 270 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 2: Like if the Angels are thinking we need somebody from 271 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 2: this draft to get to the big leagues because it 272 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 2: seems to be the rule for them, that's the guy 273 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 2: you rush. I don't rush Bremner. I'm saying, no, Bremner, 274 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 2: we want to work on finding you an effective third pitch, 275 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 2: and so we'll take our time. We'reas suors. Yeah, I 276 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 2: would love it if he had a third pitch, but really, 277 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 2: what is he He is a power reliever up to 278 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 2: one hundred with a plus slider, and just have him 279 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 2: come in and just throw hard. Guys are going to 280 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 2: miss the fastball. They'll be so geared up for one 281 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 2: hundred they're going to miss the slider enough and just 282 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 2: say this, this is probably what you are like. He 283 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 2: lost his rotation spot at LSU, So saying you're going 284 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 2: to make him a starter not impossible at all, But 285 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 2: you are swimming upstream a little bit for an organization 286 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,079 Speaker 2: has not had a lot of success on the development side. 287 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 2: So to me, Shores is the guy where he could 288 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 2: pitch in the big leagues for them this year and 289 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 2: be really good in some kind of swing or relief 290 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 2: role where he is making a difference. And if that 291 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 2: makes them feel like they can take their time with Bremner, 292 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 2: with Slowinski, with everybody else in that draft class, great, 293 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 2: because I just feel like they do sort of draft 294 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:14,319 Speaker 2: and develop as if they have to say, here's one 295 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 2: guy from last year's draft who's already in the big leagues. 296 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: We have to show that. 297 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, fine, let that be sures take your time 298 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 2: at some of these other guys. 299 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: Sort of a follow up to that the Angels, and 300 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: we follow the Angels closely. Maybe this happens with every organization, 301 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: but they seem to have this pension for taking starters 302 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: in the draft, college starters, and they always end up 303 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: in the bullpen. Is there a reason this is happening? 304 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: Is there something on the player development side that or 305 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: something on just the types of kids they're drafting on 306 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: the mound that this seems to happen over and over again. 307 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 2: I think that. I mean thinking back to that all 308 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 2: Picture draft too, where they were going for a lot 309 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 2: of guys with with stuff that would play immediately in 310 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 2: a bowl pen, but not enough of a complete package, 311 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 2: lacking a third pitch, lacking command or even enough control, 312 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 2: lacking a delivery that might work for a starter, where 313 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 2: it's sort of a lot of these guys are destined 314 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 2: for relief and they tried to even take some relievers 315 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 2: in that draft. I feel like Mason Erlo was one 316 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 2: where they toyed with making him a starter, and for 317 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 2: a minute it looked like they might have had something, 318 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 2: but he couldn't succeed or hold up in that role 319 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 2: where yeah, they weren't taking kind of those long range, 320 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 2: projectible guys or just the durable college guys where you know, 321 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 2: one thing I will say for Bremner, that's a starter. 322 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 2: He is a starter. I just don't think there's a 323 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 2: ton of ceiling as he is right now. But there's 324 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 2: no question that that guy sticks in a rotation with 325 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 2: the delivery, with the control, with the track record of 326 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 2: holding up under a starter's workload. They haven't taken enough 327 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 2: of those types of guys. And also the reliever is 328 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 2: the default, right If you don't develop your starters, if 329 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 2: you don't develop pitchers, they just end up in the 330 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 2: bullpen or nowhere. So I think that's also what you've 331 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 2: seen hapen is they haven't had that starter's success, so 332 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 2: guys just trickle down and end up in the bullpen. 333 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 3: Not so players specific, but more organizationally. What are the 334 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 3: strengths and maybe what are the real weaknesses in this 335 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 3: angel's organization. I looking at your list, I saw really 336 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 3: no power bats listed at all, maybe one but a 337 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 3: catcher that might move off the position. But it seemed 338 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 3: like there were not any a lot of low graded 339 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 3: power power tools. 340 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 2: And I just feel like on the hitting side, they're 341 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 2: just generally not that strong, you know, I don't. They've 342 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 2: definitely leaned pitching on the draft in particular, So I 343 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 2: think if there's a strength here, it's that there's some 344 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 2: pitching depth. It just may not be high ceiling pitching. 345 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 2: Maybe a lot of relievers or back end starters, but 346 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 2: that's not a bad thing to have. And if you 347 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 2: look at their list, it is pretty pitching heavy. They 348 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 2: don't have a lot of impact power bats. They don't 349 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 2: have a lot of impact kind of up the middle 350 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 2: defensive players. Most of their catchers have question marks either 351 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 2: they can't stay there or want to stay there, or 352 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 2: just you know, they'll stay there, but then they're not 353 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 2: going to hit. That would be Floores. The impact is 354 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 2: just lacking all around. So I could see them building 355 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 2: sort of the back of the pitching staff from their 356 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 2: own system and then having to go out and spend 357 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,120 Speaker 2: to get the one or the two, or maybe they 358 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 2: go spend to try it. I mean they tried this 359 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 2: with Robert Stevenson. Go spend to get the one high 360 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 2: leverage reliever for late in games. Maybe Shores can be 361 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 2: that guy in a year or two. Obviously he has 362 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 2: no problem pitching at a high leverage environment, So I 363 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 2: have some hope that he can be that for them, 364 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 2: But generally I would say their strength is pitching depth, 365 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 2: but not pitching upside. 366 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 1: You mentioned that all pitcher draft that was twenty twenty one. 367 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 1: The Angels made a lot of headlines with that draft, 368 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,919 Speaker 1: but looking at it, I mean, can you can you 369 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,360 Speaker 1: say for certain now is that draft to bust or 370 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: with Sam Bachman maybe Chase Silseth, can they salvage anything 371 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: from that draft? 372 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 2: I think it was a bust. I mean, it's those 373 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,919 Speaker 2: guys right Backman and sil Saith at least appeared in 374 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 2: the majors. Maybe somebody else gets a cup of coffee. 375 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 2: A lot of those guys are out of baseball already, 376 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 2: which is really disappointing. It's kind of almost surprising how 377 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 2: quickly some of that has turned around. But yeah, I 378 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 2: think ultimately it was a bust. It was a bit 379 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,479 Speaker 2: of a gimmick when they did it, but you know 380 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 2: the way we treat pitching and the way pictures get hurt. 381 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 2: At this point there is value and just quantity. Just 382 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,160 Speaker 2: go get as many pictures as you can and sort 383 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 2: of let God sort them out. But then you look 384 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 2: also at who they were taking to and I mean 385 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 2: almost immediately with Kyle Busch, I mean even with Bachmann. 386 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 2: Bachman had a terrible medical in college. He had first 387 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 2: round stuff, but he had major health concerns even coming 388 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 2: out of the draft. And just from there it was like, 389 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 2: this guy's probably, this guy's probably, this guy's probably. Right 390 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,199 Speaker 2: on down the line, it was guys where, even if 391 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 2: you thought they were going to stay healthy, they didn't 392 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 2: have the stuff or the command or other characteristics that 393 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 2: would make them likely to stick in a rotation. I 394 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 2: remember even when it got to Marsau and the third rounds, 395 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 2: what is what is the philosophy here? What types of 396 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 2: guys that are going for? And it was just sort of, 397 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 2: let's get guys who can get there quick. And they didn't, right, 398 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 2: that's the problem. And then when you take those guys 399 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 2: and they don't work out, you have nothing left over afterwards. 400 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,439 Speaker 1: It's interesting, you know, they've had the same farm director 401 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: for I think five or more than five years right now. Yeah, 402 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: can you even say what their philosophy is? Is this 403 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: a you know, is that a Joey Probinski pick? Is 404 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: that a you know, a scouting director pick. 405 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 2: It's all scouting director right, and I believe they've changed 406 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 2: at least once under Perry. It's Tim Acklaman now, and 407 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 2: I do think they have changed a bit of the 408 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 2: draft philosophy. Just I think even last year two years ago, 409 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 2: was riding Christian Moore. It was sort of like, obviously, 410 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 2: they're taking Christian Moore, who I had real questions about 411 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 2: the bat and honestly the make up, the way. You know, 412 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 2: his teammates didn't particularly like him. He should very little 413 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 2: effort in the field. That really bothers me. It's like, 414 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 2: you are a major draft prospect, We're all watching you. 415 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 2: You can play hard for three months. I don't know, 416 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 2: it makes me sound old, but that is. It definitely 417 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 2: bothered me when I saw him like ground ball up 418 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 2: the middle. He was at second base and he literally 419 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 2: just went like that, just kind of put his glove 420 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 2: up and the ball went right past him. I'm like, 421 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,640 Speaker 2: we can see you, right, you know, we can see 422 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 2: you doing that. But last year I did think their draft, 423 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 2: while being pitching heavy, like, there were some upside places. 424 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 2: They took Slewinsky, they took CJ. Gray, They took tail 425 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 2: On Haley, who, if nothing else, could be one of 426 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 2: the best stories in the draft Cancer Survivor had Tommy 427 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 2: John A lot of teams didn't want to touch him. 428 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 2: They were like the medicals too scary. And the Angels 429 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 2: did it, and they went a little bit overslot did 430 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 2: it with Xavier and Mitchell. Like there's that They haven't 431 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,679 Speaker 2: drafted like that ever, Like I cannot think of the 432 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 2: last time the Angels had a draft class that looked 433 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:42,880 Speaker 2: like this one. And you know, I wish they'd mixed 434 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 2: in a few more bats, but I'm okay with it 435 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 2: because at least they were going for some upside on 436 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 2: the pitching side, which is the dead opposite of that 437 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 2: twenty twenty one all pitcher draft class, where it was 438 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 2: they were trying to go for floor. They were trying 439 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,719 Speaker 2: to go for college guys to almost can we draft 440 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,400 Speaker 2: next year's pitching staff right now? And it didn't work. 441 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 2: If this is it doesn't work, at least you can 442 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,120 Speaker 2: look back and say they went for it, though. They 443 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 2: actually took some long shots going for some upside, and 444 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:09,439 Speaker 2: they you know, I think in several of these cases 445 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 2: they took the right guys. They took some really promising, 446 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 2: high upside arms. 447 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 3: I think that's very positive and not playing hard is 448 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 3: never cool for the youth watching this show. It's immediately 449 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 3: a turn off to anyone that's had some experience, and 450 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 3: especially people that played, because it's not really that hard 451 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:36,199 Speaker 3: and what you're describing, quite frankly, it's hard to listen to. 452 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 3: So the form system year after year is ranked in 453 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 3: the bottom, whether it's twenty seven to twenty eighth maybe lower. 454 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 3: Is this a failure more on the scouting side or 455 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 3: on the player development side. I think it's probably both, 456 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 3: But I don't know how much faith the Angels have, 457 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 3: even from my time they're developing. Pitching was a difficult thing. 458 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 3: I don't remember a lot of success stories. There were some, 459 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 3: but you look at a guy like Jared Weaver, he 460 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 3: was you know, you saw him as well as everyone 461 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 3: else did, but he was ready, that was a well 462 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 3: polished The first time I saw him, he struck out 463 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 3: ten in a row against Long Beach State in three innings, 464 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 3: command of all three pitches, you know, and that was 465 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 3: a maybe maybe it was a style and this is 466 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 3: a little bit of a tangent, but he was a 467 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 3: pitcher as opposed to a thrower. It seems like now 468 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 3: to fit in you have to as noted by a 469 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 3: number of the top prospects are touching triple digits. It 470 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 3: seems like a prerequisite to throw in the upper nineties 471 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 3: at the expense of command and control. So I guess 472 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 3: as far as the player developments, let's hone in on that. 473 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 3: Do you think they've done a decent job. Are there 474 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 3: some highlighted or players you can highlight that you think 475 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,679 Speaker 3: they've they've turned into better players along the way, or 476 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 3: does it seem like the guys they draft and promote 477 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 3: are pretty much untouched. 478 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 2: I don't think we've seen a lot of or at 479 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 2: least enough success stories for them. Like Zach Nato, it 480 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 2: was pretty good when he came out. He's turned out 481 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,719 Speaker 2: to be even better than expected. So I think at 482 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,640 Speaker 2: the very least you can point him and say that's 483 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 2: their best sort of at least draft success story. Maybe 484 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 2: not development side, but certainly there is a draft success 485 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 2: story there. I'm going back a little bit, and obviously 486 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 2: they just traded Tailorward, but that was another guy where 487 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 2: he kind of flopped. Originally it was like was a 488 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 2: catcher can't catch and he can't hit enough, and then 489 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 2: you know they made him. Credit to the player too 490 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 2: I think a lot of credit to the player, but 491 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,919 Speaker 2: made him into a pretty valuable big leaguer who they 492 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 2: were just able to trade essentially one year of his 493 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 2: service to get Grayson Rodriguez, who was a pretty good 494 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,479 Speaker 2: pitching prospect before all the injuries started. And if he's healthy, 495 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 2: he's even moderately healthy and can throw one hundred and 496 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 2: twenty innings for them, that deal is going to be 497 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 2: a huge victory for them. But you just look at 498 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 2: the team last year, the players. There weren't a ton 499 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 2: of players even on it. I just pulled it up 500 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 2: to make sure I'm not missing anyone. The guys they 501 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 2: drafted and developed themselves, Jack Kachanowitz and Redebt Meers have 502 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 2: they haven't been what was expected of them. They got 503 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 2: to the big leagues. That is some success, but they 504 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 2: haven't been up to what anybody forecasted for them at 505 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 2: the time of the draft. And so much of this 506 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 2: roster is guys they got from other organizations. You know, 507 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 2: Logan Ohapi, who I was very shocked at how bad 508 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,360 Speaker 2: his year was. I actually expected quite a bit more 509 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 2: from him, but he started somewhere else. So I have 510 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 2: a hard time not trying to be overly critical of 511 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,199 Speaker 2: the organization because have a hard time finding real success 512 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,400 Speaker 2: stories I can point to and say, yes, this guy 513 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 2: came into the Angel system and they made him better. 514 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 2: They've had some good draft picks, but a lot of 515 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 2: those guys who did succeed did so because they were 516 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 2: kind of the Jared Weaver case. I remember talking Eddie 517 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,400 Speaker 2: Bain years ago. He saw Jared Weaver's like, that guy 518 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,360 Speaker 2: was ready, Like, I don't get any credit for that. 519 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: He just was. 520 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 2: Eddie was. I'm sure, you know, Eddie like he would. 521 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,679 Speaker 2: He'll take credit when he really really feels like he've 522 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 2: earned it. But a lot of those he was like 523 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 2: what he told me flat, He's like Mike trow wasn't 524 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 2: the We didn't have number one on the board, so 525 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 2: obviously we were wrong. Just happened to be number one 526 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 2: when we got to pick. And so you know, with Weaver, 527 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 2: he was just waving it aways. Come on, that guy 528 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 2: was already a finished product before we even touched him. 529 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,400 Speaker 1: Are there any sleepers in this Angel system right now? 530 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,679 Speaker 1: Guys who might not be in your top ten or 531 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 1: even twenty, but have the raw tools to someday make 532 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:40,880 Speaker 1: a pretty good impact at the big league level. 533 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, nobody be on the top twenty. And I just 534 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 2: say that because it was hard to get to twenty 535 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 2: in their organization. 536 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: They were one of the more. 537 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:49,360 Speaker 2: Difficult ones certainly. 538 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: You know. 539 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 2: I mentioned in my piece Hayden Alvarez, who I'd bring 540 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 2: to eleventh. He's an outfielder who got to Low A 541 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 2: last year. He hasn't have a lot of power yet, 542 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 2: but he also hasn't really begun to fill out that 543 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 2: much physically. But it's center field, it's above average run. 544 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,400 Speaker 2: He looks like he's got really good feel to hit, 545 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 2: which does stand out I think in this system where 546 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 2: they've kind of gone for some tools and not necessarily 547 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 2: taken guys with present feel to hit, just in terms 548 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 2: of like back to ball ability or pitch recognition or 549 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 2: ball striker recognition. Everyone talks about swing decisions. To me 550 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 2: break it down into a lot of those different components. 551 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 2: And he's young, he's far away, but he has shown 552 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 2: some of that, and the fact that they moved him 553 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 2: up to Low A because everyone's got to get promoted 554 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 2: quickly here, and he still managed to put the bat 555 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,959 Speaker 2: on the ball quite a bit, and he still managed 556 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 2: to lay off pitches out of the zone, especially well 557 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 2: out of the zone. Those are really good signs for 558 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 2: a teenage hitter. So he was the one I identified 559 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 2: as a potential sleeper to make a big move up 560 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 2: next year, even maybe a little more likely than a 561 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 2: guy likes Slewinsky, who I love. But he's high school 562 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 2: pitcher who's probably only going to throw, you know, seventy 563 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 2: innings this year because we put shackles on all of 564 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,159 Speaker 2: those guys. And you know, Alvarez will play a full season, 565 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 2: starting low A, probably finishing high. If he does well, 566 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 2: he could really move up, if not the main top 567 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 2: one hundred, at least move up with their internal rankings. 568 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 3: I'll take the credit or the heat for this one, 569 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 3: but we were asked about him in our Q and 570 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,680 Speaker 3: A a guy named Sammy and Tarra Junior, left handed 571 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 3: a starting pitcher, currently has command issues and also has 572 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 3: huge stuff. It seems like he from reading he only 573 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 3: started pitching at seventeen years old. I believe he played 574 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 3: in the Fall League, had very good numbers strikes out 575 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 3: the world, but also has a lot of walks to 576 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 3: go along with that. So he's a guy that's going 577 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 3: to need a lot of development. I'm not sure if 578 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 3: you're familiar with him. If not, you know, I just 579 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,199 Speaker 3: wanted to make sure we covered him a little bit 580 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 3: because his numbers did stand out to me and very raw, 581 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 3: so he will need some seasoning. But seems I think 582 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 3: he's six' five or so, big you, know projectable body 583 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 3: and not a lot of wear on the. Arms so 584 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 3: we're going to keep an eye on. Him if you 585 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 3: have any comments on, him that would be. Great if 586 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 3: you're not, CLEAR i will kind of speak, yeah if 587 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 3: you've seen, him that'd be. 588 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: Awesome i've seen. 589 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 2: VIDEO i haven't seen him, alive you, know for folks 590 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 2: who don't, know he was a reliever In DOUBLE a 591 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,360 Speaker 2: And TRIPLE a last. Year it is almost all. Fastball 592 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 2: he's got a real high slot where he does get 593 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 2: some kind of ride up on the. Fastball it's up 594 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,919 Speaker 2: to ninety eighty sits more like three and. Four he 595 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,360 Speaker 2: only has one other. Pitch he has a slider THAT'S 596 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,239 Speaker 2: i think kind of. FAIR i think he gets some 597 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 2: whiffs on the slider because hitters are just they're anticipating. 598 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 2: Fastball he throws a fastball more than three quarters of the, 599 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 2: time so they're just trying to sit. Fastball and if 600 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 2: he spins, IT i don't think he. 601 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: DOESN'T i know he. 602 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 2: Doesn't he just just like kind of average spin rates on. 603 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 2: It shape is, okay but they're just looking, fastball and 604 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 2: so he does get some whiff on. That the thing 605 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 2: that also worries me is hitters don't chase stuff out 606 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 2: of the. Zone as you pointed, out the control is 607 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 2: not great and hitters aren't following the stuff out of the. 608 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 2: Zone so he's not generating a lot of those. Whiffs 609 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 2: AND i wonder in the big leagues is because he 610 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 2: will pitch in the big. League so pitch in the 611 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 2: big leagues this year for, sure does he end up 612 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 2: walking too many guys because of whatever, reason it's just 613 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 2: not a lot of, deception or because he's not using 614 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 2: pitches other than the fastball enough so they feel pretty 615 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 2: confidence at fastball and they can guess where it's. Going 616 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 2: you got to get guys to chase a little bit 617 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 2: more out of the zone to be. Successful is more 618 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 2: than maybe like the last guy on the. Staff but 619 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 2: because he's left, handed he throws, hard and he has 620 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 2: at least nominally has a breaking. Ball he will pitch 621 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 2: in the big leagues at some point this, year and 622 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 2: there's hope maybe he gets to the big leagues and 623 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 2: they work with him and just can tweak the slider 624 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 2: even just a little. BIT i don't think it's ever 625 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 2: going to be a whiteout, pitch but maybe it's even 626 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 2: a matter of just throwing it more, often just to get, 627 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 2: hitters to keep hitters from sitting dead red on the 628 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 2: fastball all the, time WHICH i think is what got 629 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 2: to him a little bit In TRIPLE a last. 630 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: Year All, right my last question for, You. Keith it's 631 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: pretty clear right now The angels are not going to 632 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: spend a ton in free agency to try to turn 633 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: this thing. Around so you have to point to the 634 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: farm system as you, know something they need to. Improve 635 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: is there anything at this point that will Give angels 636 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: fans some hope that they will be able to develop 637 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 1: a few more young players to mix with Zach neto 638 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: and the guys they, have the core they have that 639 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: will get them back into contention in the next couple of. 640 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 2: Years they're going to need some stars to do, that 641 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 2: and that's either going to be spending or they're going 642 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 2: to need a breakout from you, know A rata or 643 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 2: An alfarez or you, know even A slowinski and that's 644 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 2: going to take, time you. KNOW i think this year 645 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 2: you'll See bremner pitch in the big, leagues hopefully more 646 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 2: towards the end of the, year just because it's The 647 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 2: angels and AND i don't think he's super far. AWAY 648 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 2: i just think if it depends on how you want 649 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 2: to develop, them if you want them there, faster do 650 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 2: you want to try to get a little more out of. 651 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 2: THEM i think shorts pitches in the big. LEAGUES i 652 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 2: Think Ryan johnson returns to the big. Leagues you're going 653 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 2: to see some products of the farm system up here 654 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 2: in the majors this. Year but if you're thinking what 655 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 2: is the timeline to, contention to, me it's three three 656 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 2: plus years. Out and it may be also about making 657 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 2: the right trade or they get in this year's draft, 658 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 2: class can they go Find Especially mark was mentioning there's 659 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 2: no power bats anywhere in this. System you got to 660 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 2: go get a guy with some thumb who could be your, 661 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 2: two three four, hitter or go sign that. Guy but 662 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 2: they haven't really shown any inclination to do. That so to, 663 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 2: me it says you always want to take the best player. 664 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 2: Available but, hey if the best player available happens to 665 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 2: be a power bat. Somewhere who you, know maybe a 666 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 2: college guy gets there in two. Years that wouldn't be 667 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 2: the worst thing in the world to get someone like. 668 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 2: That who can you need a new anchor around whom 669 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 2: to build your, lineup and they just they don't have 670 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 2: that guy right. 671 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: Now speaking the best player, available you, know they Picked 672 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: Christian moore AND i believe it was number eight last, 673 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: year and the ninth Pick Connor griffin showing up as 674 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: the number one prospect in all of baseball this. Winter 675 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: are they going to? Regret are they going to the 676 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 1: day they've made that? 677 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 2: Decision, yeah but they won't be the only, ones RIGHT 678 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 2: i think there's you, KNOW i don't think The a's 679 00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 2: regret Taking Nick kurtz Big league the. Year, sure but 680 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 2: there's a couple of TEAMS i think our second guessing their. 681 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 2: Evaluations And griffin was a tough. One he didn't hit 682 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 2: super well at. Showcases he was a, pitcher, shortstop center. 683 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 2: Fielder everyone said he was going to be too big for. 684 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 2: SHORTSTOP i saw. HIM i never saw him in high, 685 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 2: school BUT i saw him last summer a couple of, 686 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 2: times AND i was, like, wait people said this guy 687 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 2: couldn't play, shortstop but there's no question he's a. SHORTSTOP 688 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 2: i think the industry as a whole was just light on. 689 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,959 Speaker 2: Him obviously he should have gone one or. Two, so, 690 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 2: yes The angels will regret, it but so they'll have 691 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 2: plenty Of there'll be like plenty of other people at the. Meeting, 692 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 2: yes high. End i'm The, angels AND i didn't Pick Connor. 693 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 2: Griffin there'll be plenty of other people. 694 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: There all, right that's WHAT i. 695 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 3: Think go, Ahead, Mark, no just you had SAID i 696 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 3: Think Connor griffin comes From. Mississippi, yes, okay so he 697 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 3: notoriously maybe not a great place for high school. 698 00:32:53,880 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: Players and, yeah, yeah, yeah you know is Bad New. 699 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 3: Jersey Trout millville also maybe not a. POWERHOUSE i know 700 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 3: on a previous podcast a week, ago you had said 701 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 3: you didn't when you Saw. TROUT i think the field 702 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 3: might have been in poor. SHAPE i don't know if 703 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 3: there was snow or if it. 704 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 2: Was sprain so much that. SPRING i have water in my. 705 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 2: Bottom it would have a, basement, basement our ground floor. 706 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 1: Room water was. 707 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 2: Coming it was the worst. Spring it was so, bad 708 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 2: and it was you, KNOW i remember seeing. HIM i 709 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 2: was like he is a good. RUNNER i know he 710 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 2: was like a freaking track star. UP i, MEAN i 711 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 2: always joked it's LIKE i was looking At Mickey. MANTLE 712 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 2: i had no idea he was. Good the best THING 713 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 2: i could tell you About trout that years he TOOK 714 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 2: bp with wood before every. Game he missed a bunch 715 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 2: of games that spring because there was so much. Rain 716 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 2: BUT i watched him hit with. WOOD i remember, thinking 717 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 2: what's exactly the same. Swing it's Exactly that's just what 718 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 2: you want to, see, right he picked the metal out 719 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 2: of his, hands gets the wood, back looks totally the. 720 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 2: SAME i thought he was a really good. PLAYER i 721 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 2: had no idea he was A hall Of, famer. Right 722 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 2: obviously the industry, missed SO i don't feel too bad about. 723 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 2: It but it's weird to see a guy and be, like, 724 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 2: NO i missed his. Speed that's the easy, thing, Right 725 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 2: those are pretty that's pretty easy to pick. Up it's 726 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 2: like going to see a pitcher who throws a hundred and, saying, 727 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,279 Speaker 2: well his fastball's. Okay THAT'S i will forever feel like 728 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:15,839 Speaker 2: that About Mike. 729 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 3: TROUT i think her memory that ends. Out, Sorry, mike 730 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 3: one more with the first TIME i saw. HIM i 731 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 3: got sent down from big league, camp was, PLAYING i 732 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 3: think For Salt lake that, year and we had an 733 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 3: inner squad, day SO i wanted to go to look 734 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 3: at the first round pick my trout about twenty, ten 735 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:38,719 Speaker 3: And i'm watching the game going on on the other. 736 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 3: FIELD a ball loway And hya he comes up and 737 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 3: hits laces a single up the middle when there used 738 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 3: to be a hole, there and you know it WAS 739 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,879 Speaker 3: i saw a, nice compact. Stroke he hit the ball. 740 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 3: Hard WHAT i didn't expect is that he just did 741 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 3: not stop running the center. Field he did not bobble, 742 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 3: it he did not make an. Error it was one 743 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 3: of the strangest Things i've seen him do a lot 744 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 3: of cool, stuff hit tower and home, runs all these, 745 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 3: catches but that memory and he was safe at second 746 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 3: he had hit a double on a routine single AND 747 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,239 Speaker 3: i just couldn't grasp WHAT i was looking. At it 748 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,799 Speaker 3: didn't make, sense And i've never been able. To that's 749 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 3: always if people ask what you, know and that that 750 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 3: memory for for so when you had, said you, know 751 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 3: you didn't see the, speed that's ALL i can ever, think, 752 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 3: Right and you, know he's trended towards a guy that's 753 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,880 Speaker 3: not running as much, now but that it was in 754 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 3: his body. Type you, know he doesn't have the long 755 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,919 Speaker 3: legs and it's kind of got a unique body. Type 756 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 3: but he could really turn the feed over and get 757 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 3: up to speed as quick as ANYONE i had. 758 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:41,320 Speaker 1: Seen, yep. 759 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 2: An. Anime he did. That he laid, loop you, know 760 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 2: not as particularly hard hit. SINGLE i feel like it 761 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,719 Speaker 2: was maybe out to left, center and he just never 762 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 2: stop running it up on second base in front of 763 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:53,879 Speaker 2: the home crowd, too which is pretty. 764 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 1: Awesome they did not call him The millville media or for. 765 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 1: NOTHING i can tell you. That all, right that is 766 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 1: going to do it for us On Halo territory, Today 767 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,359 Speaker 1: Keith Law really thank you for joining. Us really appreciate your, 768 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 1: input input and your. Expertise please like and subscribe and 769 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 1: we will see you next time On Halo. Territory m