WEBVTT - #336 Packers Unscripted: Details on Detroit

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.

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<v Speaker 1>I am Mike Spofford. He is Wes Hodkowitz. We're coming

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<v Speaker 1>to you here from our studios at lambeau Field and West.

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<v Speaker 1>It is Wednesday, that is turned the page day in

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<v Speaker 1>NFL parlance, so it is onto the Detroit Lions. The

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<v Speaker 1>Packers will kick it off with their NFC North rival

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday noon Central time, one Eastern time kickoff at Ford Field.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you look at Detroit, a brand new head

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<v Speaker 1>coach this year, Matt Patricia, former defensive coordinator, longtime defensive

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<v Speaker 1>coordinator for Bill Belichick in the New England Patriots, and

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<v Speaker 1>an interesting start to his tenure because what really was

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<v Speaker 1>an absolute debacle. In Week one on Monday Night Football

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<v Speaker 1>on National TV for a head coaching debut, they get

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<v Speaker 1>blown out at home by the New York Jets and

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<v Speaker 1>rookie quarterback Sam Donald. Since then, boy, a huge fourth

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<v Speaker 1>quarter comeback in San Francisco that gets upset or overturned

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<v Speaker 1>in a sense, a huge interception late in that game

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<v Speaker 1>that Detroit might have pulled off. That comeback gets called

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<v Speaker 1>back on a defensive holding penalty away from the ball.

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<v Speaker 1>They lose by three. Then they beat the Patriots in

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<v Speaker 1>primetime on Sunday Night Football. Then last week, another big

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<v Speaker 1>fourth quarter comeback, they take the lead against the Cowboys,

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<v Speaker 1>only to lose on a walk off field goal. So

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<v Speaker 1>it looks to me West that they've put that Week

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<v Speaker 1>one disaster behind them. This is a very very competitive

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<v Speaker 1>Detroit Lions football team. Yeah, I mean you can see

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<v Speaker 1>the fire in them. And and certainly, and I've said

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<v Speaker 1>this time and time again in my for my money,

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<v Speaker 1>I think Matthew staffords a top ten quarterback in this league.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's a lot of I think guys that are

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<v Speaker 1>worthy of that right now. I think this is a

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<v Speaker 1>good era for quarterbacks, especially seeing what these last two

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<v Speaker 1>draft classes have looked like. So when you have him

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<v Speaker 1>driving the bus, there's gonna be a certain amount of

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<v Speaker 1>success I think you're gonna have inherently just because of

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<v Speaker 1>what he can do and how he can create. It

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<v Speaker 1>appears like they finally found a complimentary running piece and

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<v Speaker 1>carry on Johnson and now being able to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>adjust that defense is really the biggest thing. If you've

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<v Speaker 1>been following the lines and all, Mike, they've been doing

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<v Speaker 1>some really interesting things in terms of Ricky Jean Francois,

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<v Speaker 1>who was a rotational guy here last year got cut

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<v Speaker 1>finished the year with Patricia and the Patriots. Well, now

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<v Speaker 1>he's a starter in their defense. Um, certainly, you know

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<v Speaker 1>Darius Slay and Glover Quinn and all these guys that

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<v Speaker 1>are there have been there. But trying to find the

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<v Speaker 1>pass rush is gonna be the biggest thing for them.

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<v Speaker 1>It looks like right now, Eli Harold has been a

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<v Speaker 1>guy that sort of stepped up in that capacity. A

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<v Speaker 1>lot of playmakers all around for them. It's just about

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<v Speaker 1>trying to find some of that consistency. Yeah. Well you

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned the running back carry On Johnson, high draft pick

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<v Speaker 1>for the Lions out of Auburn. I believe if that's correct.

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<v Speaker 1>I still don't know how a guy named carry On

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't play college football and Kansas, But I digress. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>he could be an eight time Pro Bowler and Mike

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<v Speaker 1>Sponsored in years ten. As when you're saying, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it really is a shame that he didn't go to CA. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just it. It just doesn't fit anyway. Um, but

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<v Speaker 1>he against the New England Patriots rushed for a hundred yards.

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<v Speaker 1>He became the first single game one yard rusher for

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<v Speaker 1>the Detroit Lions since Thanksgiving of against the Packers when

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<v Speaker 1>Reggie Bush did it so and he's averaging what is

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<v Speaker 1>it about five point seven per carry so far this season,

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<v Speaker 1>so he's off to a good start. They look like

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<v Speaker 1>it looks like they do have that running piece that

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<v Speaker 1>they need. And Matthew Stafford's got his weapons as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Matthew Stafford has taken his game to a

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<v Speaker 1>whole another level since Calvin Johnson's retirement. Golden Tate has

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<v Speaker 1>really come into his own as a premier receiver in

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<v Speaker 1>this league in my opinion. Kenny Golladay a young receiver

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<v Speaker 1>who's stepping up and making plays. And I forget who

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<v Speaker 1>their third Marvin Jones Jr. That's the guy. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely so success against the Packers in the past, Yeah, definitely.

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<v Speaker 1>Sta Stafford's got Stafford's got weapons, and if they if

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<v Speaker 1>they add some balance with that running game, this is

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<v Speaker 1>an offense that becomes even more dangerous than it has been.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what's funny, though, because we get these questions

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<v Speaker 1>all the time, an inbox right about you know, why

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<v Speaker 1>aren't the Packers featuring one guy at running back? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're a Detroit Lions fan. You have Carrie on

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<v Speaker 1>Johnson having five point seven yards per carry, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you have Lagarrett Blunt who's basically has tipped for tat

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<v Speaker 1>the same amount of carries. He's averaging two points seven

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<v Speaker 1>right now. So it's gonna be interesting to see as

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<v Speaker 1>time wears on here if Patricia, if Jim Bob Coonter

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<v Speaker 1>start giving the ball more to Johnson and just letting

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<v Speaker 1>him run with it. But as far as the receivers

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<v Speaker 1>are concerned, Mike, certainly this offseason they moved on from

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<v Speaker 1>Eric Ebron Uh the ups and downs, they went with

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<v Speaker 1>him at tight end, and they basically focus more on

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<v Speaker 1>these three receivers. Obviously, Tate and Marvin Jones Jr. Were

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<v Speaker 1>two great acquisitions for them in the aftermath of the

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<v Speaker 1>Calvin Johnson era or even during it, I mean, sort

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<v Speaker 1>of helping sort of carry the torch and and adjust

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<v Speaker 1>that passing game moving forward. But Laday too has shown

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of ability and and they getting those three

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<v Speaker 1>receivers going for them, that's gonna be their big key

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<v Speaker 1>and inside that's that dome. I mean, it just seems

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<v Speaker 1>like that fits their offense and what they want to do. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't want to pigeonhole guys too much. But

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<v Speaker 1>from the outside looking in, when I look at this

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<v Speaker 1>Detroit Lions receiving corps, it sort of strikes me as

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<v Speaker 1>Golden Tad is your kind of yards after the catch guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Marvin Jones Jr. Maybe falls into that possession receiver category.

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<v Speaker 1>And then Gladay is a really big time deep threat

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<v Speaker 1>with his long strides, you know, and and large catch

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<v Speaker 1>radius in terms of throwing the deep ball. So obviously

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<v Speaker 1>these guys can do more than just those things. But

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<v Speaker 1>my point is it's a very complimentary group of receivers.

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<v Speaker 1>They they're not the same guy. It's it's not three

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<v Speaker 1>guys that you can take the same approach to defending

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<v Speaker 1>all through the game. And and Matthew Stafford is uh

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<v Speaker 1>when when he's on schedule and he's on time, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's he's got the protection and he's in rhythm, he

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<v Speaker 1>can really light it up. One thing I think that

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<v Speaker 1>the Lions have done really well, and this has been

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<v Speaker 1>for about four or five years. You know, Mike, When

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<v Speaker 1>you go into free agency, it can be a mixed bag.

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<v Speaker 1>You can hit and you can miss, particularly at the

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<v Speaker 1>receiver position. Seems like that's a really hard position to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to sign guys as free agents and have

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<v Speaker 1>them come in and become legitimate, you know, play after

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<v Speaker 1>play playmakers. They did that with both Golden Tate and

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<v Speaker 1>then also with Marvin Jones Jr. Jones he had a

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<v Speaker 1>phenomenal start two years ago. He averaged sixteen point nine

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<v Speaker 1>yards per catch that year. I don't know if you

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<v Speaker 1>remember that, Like he had like one yard game after

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<v Speaker 1>another the first couple of weeks. Then he tapered off.

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<v Speaker 1>Last year was a lot more balanced, got his first

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<v Speaker 1>one thousand yards season. This year off to another fine

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<v Speaker 1>start for them as well. So yeah, with having those

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<v Speaker 1>two threats outside and knowing over all this time a

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<v Speaker 1>Golden Tate's done in the middle of the field, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a nice compliment of weapons. The big thing for the

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<v Speaker 1>Lions is just that offensive line. We saw last weekend

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<v Speaker 1>t J laying exited with the concussion. They used their

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<v Speaker 1>first round pick I believe that was on Yeah, Frank

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<v Speaker 1>Reagner from Arkansas, Arkansas, and then Ricky Wagner they signed

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of years back. Uh, Taylor Decker they drafted,

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<v Speaker 1>So they do have guys there. It's just that I

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<v Speaker 1>think there's some questions if somebody is unable to play,

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<v Speaker 1>what the depth looks like at that position. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>you mentioned that their pass rush earlier. They have an

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<v Speaker 1>outside linebacker I believe his name is Devon Kennard. He's

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<v Speaker 1>leading them right now with four sacks, which actually he's

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<v Speaker 1>approaching his own career high in sacks already at this

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<v Speaker 1>stage of of the season. He's a fifth year pro.

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<v Speaker 1>The Lions picked him up to to fit him into

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<v Speaker 1>this Patricia defense. And uh, you know, we talked for

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<v Speaker 1>so many years in the in the and Dominican Sue

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<v Speaker 1>Nick Fairley, you know Era with that defensive line, Kyle Vandenbosch,

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<v Speaker 1>those kinds of guys. You know, that defensive line was

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<v Speaker 1>was so much the crux of that defense and how

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<v Speaker 1>they got the pressure on the quarterback. It seems like

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a little bit of a shift to wear an

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<v Speaker 1>outside linebacker type like Kennard is is maybe who they're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to build the pass rush around. Like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>he you know, Eli Harold too has three sacks, So

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<v Speaker 1>you know two guys that I think. I mean, obviously

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<v Speaker 1>Harold is a relatively high draft pick. They're expecting contract Usians.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think right now, in two thousand and eighteen,

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<v Speaker 1>you think of zichy Ansa, you think of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>those defensive end type body types, and now it's a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more to that hybrid type position. Um certainly. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta be honest with you, I didn't know much

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<v Speaker 1>about Kennard going into this season, but it also reminds

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<v Speaker 1>you I think of it was a two years ago

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<v Speaker 1>and it was carry Hyder sort of came out where

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<v Speaker 1>to make a contribution. I had like eight or nine sacks. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So that that's the name of the game, Patricia. I

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<v Speaker 1>think if you go back and look at the defenses

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<v Speaker 1>and what they did and with the Patriots all those years,

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<v Speaker 1>they're multiple. They like being able to, you know, generate

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<v Speaker 1>certain game plans and certain schemes to the opponent. They

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<v Speaker 1>like tailoring those kind of things. So, uh, seeing exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what the look is going to be in this game

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<v Speaker 1>for the Packers and how they want to defend this

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<v Speaker 1>offense again having to keep in mind who's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be available with the receiving corps and whatnot. But overall,

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<v Speaker 1>I think at the end of the day, it still

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<v Speaker 1>comes back to your Darius Slays. It still comes back

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<v Speaker 1>to your Quinns, the guys in the secondary that I

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<v Speaker 1>think have sort of led that resurgence for them a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit, and seeing if they can get the pass

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<v Speaker 1>rush to complement those guys well. Darius Slay is as

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<v Speaker 1>good a cover corner and as good a playmaker as

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<v Speaker 1>there is at the cornerback position really in in the

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<v Speaker 1>entire NFC. When you when you look at it, I

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<v Speaker 1>think that matchup I would expect him to be on

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<v Speaker 1>Davante Adams probably every single snap on Sunday. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's certainly a matchup to watch. And on the Packers

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<v Speaker 1>side of things, you know, I really think it comes

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<v Speaker 1>down to somehow you just have to get Matthew Stafford

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<v Speaker 1>autor rhythm. You have to get him off schedule and

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<v Speaker 1>whether that's with certain pressure packages. You're not necessarily going

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<v Speaker 1>to confuse a veteran like Stafford with you know, different

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<v Speaker 1>coverage looks and stuff like that, like the Packers did

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<v Speaker 1>with Josh Allen. They were able to exploit his inexperience

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. But you know, if you can disrupt

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<v Speaker 1>some of the routes at the line of scrimmage, if

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<v Speaker 1>you can get some pressure on Stafford. You're not going

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to throw off the timing of their

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<v Speaker 1>offense with just one thing or one way. You're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>have to do it in a lot of different ways

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<v Speaker 1>throughout four quarters. And uh. And in that respect, the

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<v Speaker 1>Packers certainly have their hands full on defense, but coming

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<v Speaker 1>off of obviously a really good defensive performance to build, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>no doubt, Mike. And the thing is too with Stafford.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just so interesting, especially now the the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Jay Cutler era has ended in Chicago. There's probably nobody

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<v Speaker 1>there is nobody in this league right now that the

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<v Speaker 1>Packers have seen more than Stafford. I'm just trying to

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<v Speaker 1>bring up the stats as we speak and doing a

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<v Speaker 1>poor job of it. But in terms of the knowledge

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<v Speaker 1>base there, they've been playing him for nine years, Mike

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<v Speaker 1>McCarthy has been playing him for nine years now. There

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<v Speaker 1>is a new element to it with Mike Petton and

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<v Speaker 1>his scheme, and they're gonna have to make some decisions

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<v Speaker 1>on how they want to defend that. But I mean, overall, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you look at it, this will be their

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen matchup. The tablets were early working all well for me,

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<v Speaker 1>but it will be the fifteenth matchup that they faced him.

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<v Speaker 1>He's five and ten in those matchups. So you've seen

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<v Speaker 1>the blueprint with him over the years, the times in

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<v Speaker 1>which you're able to gain pressure, the times when you're

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<v Speaker 1>able to getim to throw off his back foot, when

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<v Speaker 1>you're able to get him throwing sort of that simar motion.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to say forsaking his mechanics, but just

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<v Speaker 1>being able to not allow him to get comfortable there.

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<v Speaker 1>That's when they've had success. You can't let Jones get

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<v Speaker 1>going again like they did two years ago. You can't

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<v Speaker 1>let that running game establish itself. You want to make

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<v Speaker 1>them one dimensional Nick Stafford throw. Yeah, and when you

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<v Speaker 1>look at this from a big picture perspective from the Lions,

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<v Speaker 1>and I know we have to get going. We have

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of cut today's show short, unfortunately, because we're

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<v Speaker 1>up against it with a few other Patricius. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>um but I gave the rundown at the beginning of

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<v Speaker 1>the show as far as what the Lions have been

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<v Speaker 1>through the last few weeks. How they put that that

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<v Speaker 1>week one, uh, you know, debacle in in the rear

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<v Speaker 1>view mirror, and hey, they're one in three. But they

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<v Speaker 1>look at this says, Okay, Yeah, the Bears are on

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<v Speaker 1>top at three and one, but they're on a bye week.

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<v Speaker 1>The Vikings already have two losses and a tie. The

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<v Speaker 1>Packers have a loss. In a tie, they can hand

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<v Speaker 1>the Packers a second loss, they can get to two

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<v Speaker 1>and three. If you're the Lions, you're looking at this

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<v Speaker 1>game as as this is our opportunity to jump right

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<v Speaker 1>back into the division race and not let anybody count

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<v Speaker 1>us out. That's a great point because if you look

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<v Speaker 1>at the schedule, they have the Packers at home, then

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<v Speaker 1>they have a bye week. They're coming back then to

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<v Speaker 1>take on a Miami team that had kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>gut check uh in losing that game to to New England.

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<v Speaker 1>England pretty there. Then they get to host Seattle at home,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they're traveling to Minnesota, who's had their up

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<v Speaker 1>and down. So yeah, this early in the season, especially

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<v Speaker 1>being able to get a couple of these wins early,

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<v Speaker 1>it sets you up. The Packers saw it last week

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<v Speaker 1>that was I don't want to say it was a

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<v Speaker 1>must win game, because I don't think anything in the

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<v Speaker 1>first quarter is. But when you look at trying to

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<v Speaker 1>establish yourself and you're trying to win a division title,

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<v Speaker 1>get yourself in those top seeds for the playoffs. You

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<v Speaker 1>need to take care of business, and all four quarters

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<v Speaker 1>of the season Packers were able to do that. I

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<v Speaker 1>think to one and one is a good place to sit.

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<v Speaker 1>The Lions had some missed opportunities, they came out slow,

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<v Speaker 1>they lost a barn burner last week. They're gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>hungry in this game. And as we've seen, Mike, you

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<v Speaker 1>and I have covered enough of these games at Ford Field,

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<v Speaker 1>they can go either way and a lot of times

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<v Speaker 1>it comes down to who starts fast and who's able

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<v Speaker 1>to protect the football. I think that's what happened basically

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<v Speaker 1>every single time. You can go back and look at

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<v Speaker 1>the win loss of those games on the road, specifically

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<v Speaker 1>at Ford Field, that's ultimately been what's decided the outcome. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with you, but as I said, we gotta run,

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<v Speaker 1>so we're gonna gotta run short today. But thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>tuning in. We will be back tomorrow with more on

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<v Speaker 1>Packers unscripted. He is at west Hot on Twitter. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>at Mike Spofford at Packers for the team account. Thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for tuning in, See you next time. H