WEBVTT - The Damage Is Done 0:00:01.200 --> 0:00:05.000 Amy and TJ presents Aubrey Oday covering the did He trial. 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:11.039 Let's talk. So you were at court today, you actually 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:14.000 I was watching you on the television. I was so 0:00:14.040 --> 0:00:16.480 proud of you. You look so beautiful this morning, and I 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:19.720 was in the most chipper of moods because where we've 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:23.439 left it off this morning with every journalist and news 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:26.239 site reporting on the case, was the prosecution should feel 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:29.880 pretty good right now, the defense should feel nervous. That's 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:32.800 that was the overall understanding of the moment. They were 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:35.639 they we were in given that it seems like they 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:38.760 had made rulings, and if they were conflicted about Rico, 0:00:38.880 --> 0:00:42.440 the rulings of anything underneath, it means that there are 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:44.440 people thought Rico was there, then they had to have 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:48.840 thought the other things were there we thought, or most 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:52.200 of the media world sought, and then as it all 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:55.240 came in, it just got slipped on its ass so fast. 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:56.000 I was watching. 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:58.280 I was watching, Uh, I don't. 0:00:58.120 --> 0:00:59.640 Know who your in air person is. I was looking 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:01.720 at well Flitter and he was so quiet. I've never 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:04.200 seen Wolfe so quiet, and I've seen him call elections 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:06.840 that I don't know what his political beliefs are. But 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:08.760 I didn't. I don't know that he loved the call 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:10.600 he had to make, but he stood in that moment 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:13.039 and made it. When Wolf was silent, I was My 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:14.600 guts were on the floor. 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:19.360 Yes, I mean, look, I have to say I was stunned. 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:22.800 I was not shocked. And here's the reason why. And 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:26.800 we spoke about this about weeks ago on this podcast. 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:32.120 Aubrey is, there were a lot of moments in this 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:35.080 trial that made you realize that Gift is not a 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:37.600 lock at all. We have been saying that. I know 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:40.319 you've been saying that since day one. I've been reporting 0:01:40.360 --> 0:01:42.920 that since day one. There was a lot of gray area. 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:47.840 There was testimony that came in that either fell flat 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:54.480 or actually hurt the prosecution. So look, did many people 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:57.880 anticipate a different verdicts. Yes, But there were moments in 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:01.240 the trial where as I was discussing with my team 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:04.000 and with our legal analyst, I remember saying, you know, 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:06.920 I don't see a path to a full acquittal, just 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:09.560 based on the evidence and based on sitting there in court. 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:12.600 And the reason why was because of those two transportations 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:16.079 to engage in prostitution charges. I believed that when they 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:20.640 showed documentation, concrete, tangible evidence that there was really no 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:22.200 way out of those two charges. 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:25.560 Elizabeth, I didn't see a way out of Cassie's sex trafficking. 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:28.280 I feel like it was all the way there, and 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:34.440 her situation was so different than the other victim, Jane Doe, 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:38.080 you and I discussed you looked at two different people. 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:41.799 They were drastically different. The Cassie one because I was 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:43.800 there when she came in the very first day she 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:46.440 came in to ask plef to be on the label, 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:50.400 to knowing her in her prior relationship with Ryan, to 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:56.280 you having been witnessing everything in court, her sex trafficking 0:02:56.400 --> 0:02:57.079 charge was there. 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:02.520 Yes, And you know what, I I believe that if 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:06.080 this case were just centered around Cassie, and you remember 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:09.600 the first indictment was just Cassie, she was victim one, 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:13.960 and in that indictment victim one with Cassie, I believe 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:20.520 that had she been the only horror witness and Mia, 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:22.720 I think give me a testified that I think had 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:25.079 this been centered just around Cassie, I think that there 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:27.960 could have been a different outcome here. You know, we 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:31.359 spoke about this and you just mentioned it that Jane 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:35.280 and Cassie are very different women, both with horristic alleges, 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:39.480 so different that the cultural weight of this decision is immeasurable. 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:43.280 Right now, it is literally heartbreaking to witness to witness 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:46.600 to know how many civil suits eighty five I think 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:50.760 now eighty plus lawsuits right now. I think at least 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:54.080 three or four just filed in the last week. There 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:57.040 are all of that. Aside from what's going on in court. 0:03:57.080 --> 0:03:59.080 There are so many people that have had their lives 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:02.920 impacted by day experiences with Sean Combs, only for all 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:05.400 of those stories to fall short in the eyes of 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:08.160 the jury. I mean, I can only hope that these 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:11.760 jurors never have to watch somebody they love endure everything 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:16.599 that we have heard everyone describe. I feel like Cassie 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:22.320 is somewhere feeling taking the weight of this in. I mean, 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:26.640 we've been dissecting all of these people's credibility versus understanding 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:31.760 their courage. It's in us to dissect versus to see 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:35.719 and believe what's in front of us. And let's be clear, 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:38.640 like the courtroom operates by the law, it does not 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:43.560 mean it delivers justice. Every time we have a lot 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:46.480 of courts deciding a lot of things right now that 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:49.080 are going to be put a lot of people in 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:54.239 danger that are not best for us overall. It's the law, 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:57.479 it does not mean it is justice, and it's not 0:04:57.600 --> 0:05:00.359 the best place to develop a moral compass the world 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:05.880 needs right now urgently. So to me, what I worry is, 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:09.680 we just told the world that everything we even listened 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:12.760 to Cassie it had experience. I mean, she couldn't leave 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:17.920 her home without checking in. There were mandatory check ins, routines, 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:19.800 stop buies, even when she got a little bit of 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:21.599 her life back. At any point, did he could come 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:24.919 in and turn her life upside down, the control that 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:28.120 he had over her life for so long, knowing who 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:30.560 she was when she came in there, knowing what she 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:35.440 became all these years later. Like to me, I would 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:38.520 never in my life want the law to consider that 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:43.400 of no guilt. What kind of presidents are we starting 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:47.800 for this industry and for rich, powerful, wealthy men and 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:52.640 beyond that, Elizabeth, I have seen reporting that when the 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:54.880 kids came out and got in the van, that they 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:57.120 opened the van door, which, by the way, I don't 0:05:57.160 --> 0:05:59.479 know if you know this, but Kanye released an album 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:02.320 which did he on it and with his son's team YEP. 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:06.200 They released a full album this past week. He played 0:06:06.240 --> 0:06:09.360 his hit song opened Up the Van Door, ended a 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:12.440 full blown performance, took his shirt off while his girlfriend 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:14.400 was twerking in the back. Did you get to see 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:14.800 any of that? 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:19.000 I saw the commotion around it from where I was standing, because, 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:21.520 as you know, I was literally live on our air 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:23.760 most of the day, so I couldn't be right near there. 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:26.880 But I did see video footage of it. What case 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:27.640 have you been in? 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:31.559 Where people stand up and start clapping to your dream team, 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:34.400 dream team, to a defense that did have put on 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:37.919 no defense, and to a closing statement that basically flat 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:41.039 shamed and told the entire world this was a great man. 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:44.760 He provided an incredible working environment. All these girls were 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:46.799 housed and they were lined up to do the freak 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:49.960 offs and this is what women will do. And he 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:53.000 gave everybody the lab of luxury and every now and 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:56.280 then he got me in on drugs Like that is 0:06:56.480 --> 0:07:01.240 what the jury believed enough to give a non guilty 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:04.840 verdict on more of the important charges. So what are 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:07.720 they telling us? What do artists have to do now? 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:09.280 What do women have to do now? 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:13.640 Well, like you said, Aubrey in a court of law. 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:17.360 They are following the law. The scope is very limited. 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:20.560 I saw sex trafficking in the law. I have read 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:23.640 every transcript, as I say, of this, most people have not. 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:27.240 You've been in court. I have read every transcript because 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:29.400 I am reporting on this. I am not just watching 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:33.840 the news Occasionally. I saw a walking path to sex 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:37.320 trafficking with Cassie. That was very believable. She did not 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:40.880 soil herself. She did not come off as a liar 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:44.160 or like I had any doubt in her story unless 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:48.400 Jane Doe just trickled over onto her walking path. Her 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:53.000 experience deserved inaccurate calling of the law. 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:58.440 Look, as you were saying that justice is not always 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:03.240 served here. It is a high burden to meet these charges. 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:07.680 And a defense attorney's job is not to prove the truth. 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:11.640 The defense attorney's job is to defend their client, who 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:15.440 oftentimes in this case certainly is paying them a lot 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:15.920 of money. 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:18.280 I know, and they were paid a lot of money 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:22.360 to give a narrative that's dishonest and frankly dangerous to 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:26.000 many people. The Bonnie and Clyde, they were equals. They 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:30.360 were in a messy love relationship. What is every woman 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:35.400 out there in a quote messy love relationship thinking about 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:39.080 in regards to her options to ever feel safe again 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:39.840 in life tonight? 0:08:40.840 --> 0:08:43.400 Now, I want to tell you because you reference a 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:48.200 few moments here from Ditty's defense of closing argument where 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:53.720 they spoke about Cassie and that Bonnie and Clyde narratives. So, Aubrey, today, 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:57.600 I sat down with Cassie's attorney. I'm the only journalist 0:08:57.600 --> 0:09:00.200 who has sat down with him for his first interview you, 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:04.240 and I asked, how is Cassie doing because she is 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:06.280 not expected to speak out. She is at home with 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:09.040 her family, She's a new mom, she has three kids. 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:12.320 Her attorney, Doug Wigdoor, told me that she wants to 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:16.000 move on. But he told me he don't worry about Cassie. 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:19.000 He said she's actually really doing okay. He said that 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:21.480 when he spoke to her right after the verdict, that 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:25.560 she was comforted and filled with gratitude, nrowing that if 0:09:25.600 --> 0:09:28.240 she had not come forward, that Sean Holmes would have 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:31.040 never stepped foot into a courtroom and would have never 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:34.840 been convicted. Because look, it is devastating to people like 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:38.480 you that he was acquitted on the more serious charges, 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:41.640 that this is a man who is whole life, well 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:44.320 not his whole life, but you know he's self made. 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:48.840 But the past three decades has been about wealth, power, access, 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:52.199 calling the shocks, control, coagent interviews. 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:53.680 I'll throw those three in myself. 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:58.280 And now he is a convicted feld. Yes, he's not 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:01.240 facing life in prison. No, he's not going to serve 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:03.200 a long, long, long sentence. 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:13.680 Well, let me tell you something. 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:15.800 I think the judge I was shot. 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:20.040 I usually a judge would let this person without getting 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:23.040 the guilty count on the more serious charges if they're 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:26.680 not a flight risk, and go home. And he didn't. 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:28.679 He did not let him go home. 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:30.040 That's very telling. 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:32.920 And Diddy's known to have his big Fourth of July party. 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:34.920 This one would have been one for the books because 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:37.320 I highly doubt that he's reformed any parts of his 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:40.280 bad behavior in the short time that he's had to 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:43.520 think about his behavior, because he certainly didn't take any 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:46.520 accountability or acknowledgement. And he's got his whole family drink 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:49.439 in that juice. They did a full blown concert outside 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:52.400 of the fucking federal court building. 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:55.560 And look, look, I mean, I think what you're getting 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:59.480 at here is the fact that this judge denied in 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:02.319 bail room. Remember this is the same judge who determines 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:07.240 his sentencing. So is that an indicator that when he 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:12.200 goes in for sentencing, that judge may not be fight 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:14.880 on the sentencing. Now, of course, the judge has to 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:17.200 follow the law. He has to look at precedent. Did 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:19.480 he is a first time offender in the legal sense 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:22.960 that he has never been convicted before, but he is 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:25.640 facing ten years on each of these charges. That is 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:27.520 twenty years if served consecutive. 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:30.320 And by the way, let's let's also note that the 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:33.840 prosecution originally asked gave him a plea at the beginning 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:38.400 of his trial for fifteen judge, the judge could come 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:40.559 back all the way to twenty. Maybe if he doesn't 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:45.319 go to twenty, he could even go to eighteen. Eighteen 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:48.200 years is a significant period of time to serve. And 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:53.480 unless this is this his plan from the gods above 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:57.920 and Trump pardons him. If we're not going in that direction, 0:11:58.160 --> 0:12:00.320 which is a whole we're going to start having a 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:02.640 whole kind of different other conversation if we go on 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:05.359 that dress. Let's not go into the land of impossibility 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:08.800 right now and stay in reality, The reality is he 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:11.960 did not let him go today. He thinks that he 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:14.840 is still a threat. The point that they were making 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:17.160 to take him out of jail were the very points 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:19.480 that were keeping him in there and making sure he 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:22.560 didn't get bonded out in the first round. They kept 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:25.000 him in that chill. They are keeping him in that jail, 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:27.120 which means they think he's a flight risk, because he'd 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:29.200 be sitting at home if they didn't feel he was. 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:30.960 He's proven that he's won. 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:33.679 Because judge the judge is very fair. 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:37.040 He's been very fair to both sides. And he made the. 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:39.040 Call on that well he did. 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:41.400 And also he is going to be making the call 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:44.280 on the sentencing time. And I don't think he's impressed 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:47.880 with the rap concert that went on downstairs or any 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:51.720 of the standing and applauding and Dream Team Dream Team today. 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:53.080 I don't think he's impressed with that. 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:56.080 Well, look, it's not just that this judge thought that 0:12:56.240 --> 0:13:00.079 he is a flight list. This judge said that he 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:01.280 is violent. 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:05.239 Do you know how many victims called me today, Elizabeth 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:08.400 and said I'm scared. I'm trying to get somewhere right now. 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:11.880 And I was like, are we all doing. I wasn't 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:14.680 feeling scared to go home, but they were like, I 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:17.000 got a call from somebody high up in the industry 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:19.400 and he was like, I wouldn't post in real time 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:24.959 where you are for a while. Don't post your home, 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:28.880 don't post where you're actually at. Post it like two 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:32.760 or three days later. That's the type of conversations that 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:35.160 people are having right now. There are eighty plus simple suits. 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:37.720 What kind of conversations do you think they're having. What 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:39.959 kind of odds do you think they have right now 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:46.760 of what this man could potentially turn into is so dangerous? 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:50.760 Well, look what you are saying about your concerns, you know, 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:55.800 Cassy's attorney. After Combs's defense asked for him to be 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:58.840 released on bail, Kathy's attorney filed a letter to the 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:03.120 judge staying, Cassie is concerned that her life is in danger, 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:06.280 that the Cenisses who testified in this trial that their 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:08.439 lives are in danger, and that he is a danger 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:10.760 to the community. That was part of what the judge 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:14.320 considered as he made his decision to deny him bail. 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:17.000 Now Seawan Combs his face when he was denied bail. 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:18.080 He was stunned. 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:20.240 His mouth was open, his eyes were widened. 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:21.280 He could not believe it. 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:23.520 He thought that he was going home and like you said, 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:26.440 that he was going to celebrate July Force with his family. 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:29.080 And that's the case. What's interesting is how scared he 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:32.840 was and how defeated he was being reported of yesterday 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:37.000 and especially this morning today. Everybody talked of his face 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:39.920 almost having tears, in him being overwhelmed. It's almost as 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:43.560 if he kind of already thought he knew how things 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:46.480 were going to go, and he was seeing that it 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:48.760 could maybe not go that way, and he was trying 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:52.880 to trust in whatever he believes in was gonna happen, 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:54.840 because he had all the confidence in the world on 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:58.240 that final closing day. Then he got really scared. For 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:01.360 a couple of weeks, everyone was reporting it, all of 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:04.640 this happy, you're a great judge, Thanks a lot, I'm 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:06.880 gonna get a corona. Did you need anything else? 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:08.920 And I have to tell you, I don't think the 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:11.800 judge was impressed by that, But I'm saying no. 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:14.200 But I'm saying all of this back and forth behavior 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:16.600 from him, it makes me feel like he had a 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:19.440 strong idea. It could just be his attorneys leading him. 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:22.400 I don't know exactly until I see. I want to 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:25.160 see what the judge does with the sentencing. I think 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:28.480 he should be hitting the higher edges of twenty. I'm 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:31.800 seeing about eighteen. If I see about eighteen, I feel 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:34.760 like I'll feel like this wasn't something bigger. 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:37.680 Look, I don't want to get your hope stuff. I 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:38.480 don't want to get. 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:39.400 Your viewers hope stuff. 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:43.360 But every one of our legal experts on our air, 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:46.840 you know, I have been outside the courthouse every single 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:49.480 day and inside the court room with Laura Coates, who's 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:51.320 one of my dear friends and one of our anchors. 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:55.560 She's a former propecutor. She said that we are looking 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:58.080 at a minimal amount of us. 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:00.960 Minimal like why is a minimal amount on five. 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:07.160 Like three to five? Because he has not been convicted before, 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:10.120 so in the eyes of the judge and the eyes 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:13.520 of the court, he is seen as a first time offender. Now, 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:15.880 look the prosecution they. 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:18.240 Said Matathine is a first time a sender, they would 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:18.800 let him go. 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:21.280 Liz Well, and look, I think you bring up an 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:24.560 excellent point. Because the judge and denying him bail. That 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:26.880 was a shock. Now by the way I had predicted 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:29.000 that outside of the courthouse. I said, this is the 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:32.320 same judge who denied him bail before his trial. And 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:34.320 the judge had said the reason why he denied him 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:37.040 bail is because he was a flight risk, because he 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:39.560 was a danger to society, and because he was hampering 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:43.840 with witnesses. Remember the prosecution accused Sean Combe ahead of 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:47.640 his trial of paying other inmates in the NDC to 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:48.640 use their phones. 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:52.400 He was accused of a lot of crazy shit in 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:54.840 those bond hearings. What's crazy is that was only two 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:57.760 months ago. You think that you think that thought pattern 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:00.200 has changed in two months, Elizabeth. 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:02.280 And that is why the judge knows that this is 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:04.560 a and the judge actually, you know, the judge said 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:08.080 that I'm just remembering that in denying him bail. He said, 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:10.840 I already denied him bail when it wasn't mandatory. Why 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:14.800 would my thoughts change now? So this judge is not 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:18.520 impressed with some of the behavior that Shawn Colmbs has displayed. 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:21.439 Like you said, if he was Shawn Colms will be 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:23.960 home with his family right now. He's awaiting his sentence. 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:26.800 So you said his face was shocked when they said no. 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:28.760 His face was shocked. 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:30.520 How long did it stay shocked? 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:36.400 You know, momentarily, but he was absolutely stocked. And then 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:39.360 after when he was being ushered out by the marshals, 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:41.680 he was talking to his family and he said, it's 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:43.840 all right, we'll get through this. He said to his 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:49.680 mom that he loves her so but he was absolutely stunned. 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:53.280 Was that before or after the rap concert outside the 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:54.960 federal courtroom? 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:59.040 That was after, because that rap concert, as you call it, 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:01.800 and I didn't see it with my own eyes, but 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:05.119 I saw video of it. And that was after the verdict, 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:08.119 but before the bail hearing. So this was before he 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:11.560 was denied bail. When his son was gloating, not quoting, 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:14.280 he performed the song, he took his shirt off. 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:17.600 I've seen the footage. He took his shirt off. He 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:19.920 did all of the lyrics to Free Diddy. You never 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:22.119 were going to get him. Were rich, We have money, 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:24.439 you don't. We know how to work this system. These 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:27.440 are the lyrics of the albums and the song. And 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:30.800 then his girlfriend jumped out to the van and started working, 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:35.399 turned around, started dropping that ass outside of a federal building. 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:37.760 Yes, and look, let me just say one thing. I 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:39.840 know this is a bit of a tangent, but let's 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:43.000 be honest. If the one celebrity who shows up during 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:45.600 trial to support you with Kanye West, and if during 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:48.520 a trial when your father is facing life in prison, 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:52.400 you're releasing a song with Kanye West, a blatant hitler 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:55.680 loving anti semi got to tell you that's not who 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:58.320 I would want supporting me. So let's just put that 0:18:58.359 --> 0:18:58.720 out there. 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:10.640 Let's just put it out there that they've already done 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:15.280 a little music collapse from prison, and Kanye's also gotten 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:18.720 in front of discussing touching his cousin and doing things 0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:23.439 with men, and we're starting to get into dangerous territory 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:26.879 where we are not talking about the actual conditions, we 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:33.080 are not even sentencing the actual conditions correctly because nobody 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:39.000 is being accountable for their actual behavior and intentions. And yes, 0:19:39.040 --> 0:19:42.720 everybody wants to win the circus that we just participated 0:19:42.720 --> 0:19:45.280 in for two months, but I'm not seeing a ton 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:49.200 of accountability anywhere. Possibly in what you said in regards 0:19:49.200 --> 0:19:52.639 to Cassie feeling like she paved a way for a 0:19:52.760 --> 0:19:57.199 little bit of justice to occur, But God, if we 0:19:57.200 --> 0:19:59.359 were going to open this box and we were going 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:03.000 to open it wide enough for eighty plus civil lawsuits 0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:06.439 that aren't going anywhere anytime soon. I have spoken with 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:11.040 multiple lawyers that are representative of multiple cases right now, 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:13.920 and none of them have plans on dropping their cases 0:20:13.960 --> 0:20:19.720 because they are scared, intimidated, or threatened right now because 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:21.720 they didn't decide to let him out now had he 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:24.159 been home in the next hour. I don't know what 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:27.000 people would be saying tonight, but as of right now, 0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:30.879 nobody's dropping their civil suits. This is ongoing, and let's 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:34.560 not forget R Kelly walked around the R Kelly got 0:20:34.600 --> 0:20:37.240 away the first time, and he walked around and he 0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:41.520 did his victory lap. OJ Simpson also did a victory lap. 0:20:41.800 --> 0:20:45.159 They were major upsets historically that in the moment they 0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:49.120 were all kinds of cheers. OJ had a much bigger 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:52.560 reception than Diddy and his son's rap concert with the 0:20:52.600 --> 0:20:56.960 girlfriend working. But either way, if you look at history, 0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:01.119 we've seen walks and victory. We've seen victory. He walks 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:03.880 where karma ends up still catching up to you at 0:21:03.880 --> 0:21:04.480 the end of it. 0:21:05.080 --> 0:21:07.200 And look, I'm glad that you brought up the civil 0:21:07.240 --> 0:21:10.359 suits because this legal battle is not over for Shaan 0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:11.600 kOhm nowhere. 0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:13.720 Near and by the way, the standard that these people 0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:17.000 have to meet in civil core is much different, and 0:21:17.600 --> 0:21:19.200 it's going to drain the account. 0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:24.280 And look, here's what's interesting is when I interviewed Cassie's 0:21:24.400 --> 0:21:28.399 attorney today, I asked him because he represents aside from Cassie, 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:31.080 who of course is already settled, he does represent one 0:21:31.160 --> 0:21:33.639 other civil accuser, so of course he can't speak to 0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:37.160