1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal hull. 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 2: That for me, I'm a man. 3 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 3: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to 4 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 3: be happy. You want to be happy for a day? 5 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 2: Edith state is that? 6 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: Woo woo? 7 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 2: And Dan and tie. 8 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: Dan Rubinstein surprise show drop because it is signing day. Yes, 9 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: they have altered the calendar this year. Of course, they 10 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: had to cram everything into this already busy week. Already 11 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: we've got coach hirings and coach firings and the championship 12 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: games coming up. Alast, now we also have signing Day, 13 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: as they have finagled the calendar a little bit here 14 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: to be more conducive to the student athlete. I suppose 15 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: welcome back, my friend. How are you? 16 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 3: I have grown to love December. First of all, do 17 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 3: we have the sound? 18 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 2: Oh? 19 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 3: I can find it. You caught me on the guard. 20 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 3: Let me vamp a little bit. But I have come 21 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 3: to truly love the silly season that is the month 22 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 3: of December. And it's mostly because college football, as a 23 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 3: semi ungoverned entity, has made it there. 24 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 2: It is. 25 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 3: Bring it up, I bring up that volume. It's a 26 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 3: December to remember because it always is. There's always something 27 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 3: stupid and ridiculous and wonderful. And this is the true 28 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 3: month long holiday of college football is December, between big games, 29 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 3: between coaches, moving players, moving signing day, the players arriving, 30 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 3: players flipping surprise stuff that happens at the beginning and 31 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 3: middle of bowl season. I don't know, It's just it's 32 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 3: a cartoon and I love it. What I was gonna 33 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,119 Speaker 3: say is this is the time of year that makes 34 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 3: being a college football fan incredible, horrible, or it puts 35 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 3: up such a barrier of entry to understand this sport 36 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 3: that I almost I feel like I have devoted my 37 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 3: professional life to the intricacies of Like, here's what an 38 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 3: agent does, Here's what a GM does. Here's what the 39 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 3: term wilt Fong's a wilt fong bomb or whatever it is, 40 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 3: a fog bomb bomb. Yeah, come on, Like he does 41 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 3: a great job. Like I just I love the specialization 42 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 3: of there's a search firm, what's a search firm? Like 43 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 3: there is so much, so specific about December. And I 44 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 3: know you're a big portal guy. You love the chaos 45 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 3: of the. 46 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: Port The portal is my thing, that is my baby. 47 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I look at this as a buffet, as a 48 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 3: tasting menu as just NonStop. 49 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 1: We just had Thanksgiving. 50 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 3: This month is my Thanksgiving that the dishes and calories 51 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 3: keep on common. 52 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 1: Well, welcome back one, Welcome back all. Today's episode is 53 00:02:56,160 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 1: going to be your National Signing Day pre if you 54 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: slash primers slash basically everything we can pry out of. 55 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,519 Speaker 1: Brandon Huffman of two four seven Sports. Brandon has been 56 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 1: one of our longest of longtime guests on this show. 57 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: He stops by at least once a year for this 58 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: very episode to talk through not always the specifics of 59 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: who is signing where, but as we do on this show, 60 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: the bigger picture type things that I think our audience 61 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: cares about, especially in this new world order of college 62 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 1: football where you've got agents and nil plays a factor 63 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: and the transfer portal and Andrew Luck is now a 64 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: general manager for a school. So many things have changed. 65 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: This is kind of our yearly check in with Brandon 66 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: to find out what has changed, where have things gone 67 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: in the recruiting world. And furthermore, you got stories like 68 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: Bryce Underwood, You've got rising teams like Michigan frankly in 69 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: the recruiting rankings that have come on Strong Eyes of 70 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: Late Colorado another one of those schools. Who are the risers, 71 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: who were the follers, who are the names he would 72 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: invest some of his money in. We've got a lot 73 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: to discuss with our good friend. 74 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's sort of what goes on behind the scenes, 75 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 3: what goes into a lot of these decisions, what goes 76 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 3: into recruitment and commitments and decommitments, and where all the 77 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 3: pieces sort of fit together. It's never been more confusing, 78 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 3: But it's also never been more fascinating. And people are 79 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 3: obviously down on the state of college football with how 80 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 3: money has influenced things and how nil and portal and 81 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:37,359 Speaker 3: all that stuff has influenced things, But it's fascinating to 82 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:41,239 Speaker 3: learn about all of the reasons why things are happening 83 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 3: and all the players involved. So I don't know, I 84 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 3: find it fascinating, even if at times I find it 85 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 3: sort of discouraging. 86 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: But I don't know. 87 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 3: That's my sort of life, I guess in a nutshell, 88 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 3: So great, great, absolutely, So this is a rare drop 89 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 3: to the feed on Wednesday. 90 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,239 Speaker 1: I don't know how long this is going to go. Yeah, 91 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: we're going to get as much out of Brandon as 92 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: we possibly can with the We're gonna ring him dry. Yeah, 93 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: out of the time that we've got available here, we 94 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: will still be doing it goes without saying. Hopefully our 95 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: Week fifteen slash Championship Week preview that's going to drop 96 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: to the feed bright and early on Thursday morning. You 97 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: can catch the video out on YouTube. Of course, stay 98 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 1: plugged into all of our episodes by clicking follow or 99 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 1: subscribe wherever it is you like your podcasts, and you 100 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: can always go on out to verballers dot com. That 101 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: is our patreon where you get the ad free episodes. 102 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: The bonus content be part of our discord community. Play 103 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: in our run the Board game, which we will talk 104 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 1: more about on tomorrow's episode. A lot going on out there, 105 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: especially this time of year. There's been a big uptick 106 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 1: in interest because, yeah, the playoff and we've had crazy 107 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: tiebreakers and just there's a lot going on, a lot 108 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: wizard around out there in the Verballer hood. We'd love 109 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: to have you just give us a look out at 110 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: verballers dot com. Dan, should we dive in? Shall we 111 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: sh Brandon? 112 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 3: And with that we are now joined by the legend 113 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 3: that's a capital T, capital L, the legend Brandon Huffman 114 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 3: two four to seven sports. 115 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 1: Uh. 116 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 3: I don't like it when people say this about us, 117 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 3: So I'm not going to say this about you when 118 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 3: people are like, oh, this is like the ogs, these 119 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 3: are the legends. Like no, No, A young upstart Brandon Huffman, 120 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 3: how about that? 121 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 2: I like it. First time called young in a long time. 122 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 3: I mean it's all relative, right, You're not young compared 123 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 3: to the people you cover regularly, but I think generally speaking, 124 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 3: you've been around older people and that counts. 125 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm young compared to like politicians. 126 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 3: Right have you have you found yourself in a like 127 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 3: at a camp and been noticeably older than a recruit's parents. 128 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 4: Often, Oh yeah, I'm now finally covering second generation, where 129 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 4: like I covered their dads and I kind of feared 130 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 4: when this day would happen, right, you know, because it's 131 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 4: they were really young. I remember, like the one to 132 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 4: Jesus Woman I had was when Fred Taylor with Kellvin 133 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 4: Taylor sign I mean Fred Taylor and I had the 134 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 4: same age and Kelvin was signing it. I was like, man, 135 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 4: my kids are like nine and he's already got a 136 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 4: kid signing. Well, now I'm like, yeah, I met interviewed 137 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 4: your dad way back in the day. 138 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he remembers that. 139 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 4: How does he remember that? I can't even remember that. 140 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 4: Only reason I remember it because you're a junior. And 141 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 4: I'm like, I think I covered your dad, And yes, 142 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 4: we've hit that age now where you know it's usually whatever. 143 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 4: Brett mcmurthy was just somebody a happy birthday, huh. 144 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 2: And oh he's. 145 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 4: Twenty one and he's the youngest coach in America. I'm like, dude, 146 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 4: he's younger than some like own children are. And I 147 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 4: was doing this job before my kids were born. 148 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 3: Was there one player where you were just like, oh, 149 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 3: this is this is probably know like Fred Taylor maybe 150 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 3: from Afar, but that you covered both father and son. 151 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 3: They were like, oh, this is a very real moment. 152 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it kind of doesn't necessarily can because 153 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 4: he was a JUCO transfer and I think he was 154 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 4: a returning missionary, but it was the running back who 155 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 4: he went to Utah. This son was a Utah argan. 156 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 4: Then you have signed with BYU in the twenty twenty 157 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 4: three class are completely blinking on the name. But okay, 158 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 4: I covered his dad one of those early years and 159 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 4: he's like, oh yeah, my dad said you interviewed him 160 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 4: back in the day. 161 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 2: I'm my good lord, how are we at this point? Already? 162 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 3: It is man, the world does not stop spinning. Easy 163 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 3: segue there for me, speaking of which I have no 164 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 3: we're recording this. 165 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: This is your disclaimer. 166 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 3: We're recording this, I don't know, twelve hours before the 167 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 3: official early national signing day. What are the disclaimers you 168 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 3: have right now about what people may see in terms 169 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 3: of the rhythm of this all. Obviously there are people 170 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 3: yet to flip in the next twenty four hours or 171 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 3: even six weeks or whatever. What are the disclaimers that 172 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 3: you would like to give people about the class of 173 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 3: twenty twenty five and following it as news? 174 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the first one is, this is the 175 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 4: earliest signing period ever. It's two weeks earlier than when 176 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 4: it moved to December. It's not the first Wednesday. We 177 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 4: got the portal in, you know, less than a week 178 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 4: and we now have no longer. They're no longer signing nlies, 179 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 4: the national letters of intent. We were already confusing everybody 180 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 4: with the two acronymsmy A similar NIL and NLI. But 181 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 4: now they're signing financial aid agreements and what that means 182 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 4: is that the school is now bound more than the 183 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 4: player is bound in what was considered the most one 184 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 4: sided contracts in sports. 185 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 2: And tomorrow starts to really signing period. It ends on Friday. 186 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 4: But don't be surprised if you see some guys that 187 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 4: have been committed to a school very long not sign 188 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 4: on Wednesday and maybe take us down to Friday. That's 189 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 4: what we like to call the negotiation era, and schools 190 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 4: are coming in late with better offers. It isn't about 191 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 4: you know, in the old days where you have the 192 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 4: flips where the kid who was the you know, the best. 193 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 2: Player in like a lower power five or. 194 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 4: A non BCS school, he ends up becoming the twenty 195 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 4: fourth or twenty fifth best player in the local school. Dan, 196 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 4: how many times do we see that with USC back 197 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 4: in the early two thousands, where I think that would be 198 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 4: the headliner of Oregon State, Washington State, and and Pete 199 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 4: Carroll will come in at the last minute offer the 200 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 4: kid no one the keuis of me the twenty fifthesst player, 201 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 4: but the key wild commit. Well, now it's not about 202 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 4: flipping because you want to play for your dream school. 203 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 4: It's because you want to go be able to buy 204 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 4: your dream house, and the agents have gotten way more 205 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 4: involved in the last couple of hours, in the last 206 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 4: couple of days of the recruiting period. So just because 207 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 4: the guy might have been committed to your school for 208 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 4: two years a year and a half, if somebody makes 209 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 4: him an offer he can't refuse, He's not going to 210 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 4: refuse it. 211 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 3: What's been the general strategy of the savviest agents or 212 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 3: representatives of recruits in twenty twenty four. Is it the 213 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 3: like last second visit to sort of put the heat 214 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 3: under the school that a recruit is currently committed to. 215 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 3: Is it, you know, floating things on social media? Is 216 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 3: it all of the above? What is the general strategy 217 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 3: of those who are playing the game. I don't know 218 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 3: if the word correctly is the way to go, but 219 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,679 Speaker 3: playing the game most shrewdly. 220 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 2: It's definitely all the above. 221 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 4: I mean, it's float out here that where you know, 222 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 4: we may want this other guy, or that. 223 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 2: You know this guy might have got an offer. 224 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 4: You know, you're you're seeing some last minute offers going 225 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 4: out to players that maybe aren't the caliber of that 226 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 4: school's roster, but they're getting an offer. But it might 227 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 4: be a preferred walk on type off or where it's like, hey, 228 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 4: we're going to give you nil to cover your tuition 229 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,199 Speaker 4: in housing, but you're not going to be a revenue 230 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 4: generating uh player. But we really want this other guy, 231 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 4: so if we are for you, then he's gonna freak 232 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 4: out right. And you know, you're starting to see schools 233 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 4: that are, you know, floating out who their portal targets 234 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 4: might be. You might see an article saying, well, if 235 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:34,959 Speaker 4: the portal were to open, these might be the fourteen 236 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:36,959 Speaker 4: guys that might go to the portal in our school 237 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 4: might sign to ramp things up. So you're seeing a 238 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 4: lot more power plays being done on the college side. 239 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 4: But you know, you're what you're also seeing is that 240 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 4: the colleges don't have the power. They think that they 241 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 4: did this in the old days where they had the power. 242 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 4: Now the player can turn around and you know, they're 243 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 4: not getting up what these numbers are. They're not getting 244 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 4: up what these figures are, and they're going back and saying, hey, 245 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 4: you know, I was to the guys off there. I 246 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 4: spent a year working for Scott Boris way back in 247 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 4: the nineties, and I remember, you know, right after I 248 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 4: started there, or right before I started there is when 249 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 4: the infamous Bernie Williams basically having the Yankees negotiating against 250 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 4: the Yankees, and how Scott Boris just floated out that 251 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 4: the Red Sox were interested, and all of a sudden, 252 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:17,679 Speaker 4: the Yankees came up with an opera and the Red 253 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 4: Sox like, we never were interested. Well, now you're getting 254 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:24,679 Speaker 4: some numbers floating out that aren't necessarily verifiable and aren't 255 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:28,719 Speaker 4: necessarily accurate. But then schools are essentially bidding against themselves, 256 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 4: so you're seeing it happen on both sides. 257 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 2: But now with the. 258 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 4: Players having more power than they ever had and the 259 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 4: school's kind of having less power than they ever had, 260 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 4: you know, it's starting to see the tables getting turned 261 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 4: a little bit. 262 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: As somebody who has a name in this business, Brandon, 263 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: you kind of fit into this equation as well. 264 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 2: Are you used? 265 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 3: Is that what Tye is saying? 266 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: Are guys trying to play you like you do? You 267 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: have to put on your investigator, had to figure out 268 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 1: who's trustworthy and who isn't and who is just trying 269 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 1: to use you as a vessel to I don't know, 270 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 1: get a better Nile agreement or get a better transfer 271 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: or just get something out there that benefits one side 272 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: or another. 273 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and I know when I'm getting played, 274 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 2: because I'm not an idiot. I've been doing this long 275 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 2: enough to know. 276 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 4: I mean, I got kids, I got teenage kids, so 277 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 4: I'll be able to vet that a lot quicker. I 278 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 4: got played last year by a portal kid, and I 279 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 4: knew I was getting played, but I was preparing because 280 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 4: just in case this portal situation did end up happening. 281 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:25,959 Speaker 4: You know, I was going to have the story. And 282 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 4: then I didn't get the story. You know, the agent 283 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 4: gave it to somebody much more powerful who you see 284 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:32,079 Speaker 4: on your television on. 285 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 2: Saturdays, and he had the story. 286 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 4: And you know that's what I got pissed because I 287 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 4: allowed to say that. Yeah, because I got played, even 288 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 4: though you know, I knew going into it. And so 289 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 4: I'm a lot more cynical now when it becomes getting played, 290 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 4: and I know when I am. And there's also times like, hey, 291 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 4: you know what, find somebody else they can they can 292 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 4: tweet it. 293 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 2: I'm not getting involved in that. 294 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 4: I still just want to report on where you're going, 295 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 4: when you're committing and when you're sunning. But you know, 296 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 4: you're you're getting a lot more leverage plays on both sides, 297 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 4: or a school might say, hey, you know, this school 298 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 4: might look to sign this extra quarterback, or they may 299 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 4: not sign another quarterback in this class, they may not 300 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 4: sign a lineback in this class. They may just go 301 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 4: heavy in the portal to try to freak out some 302 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:16,439 Speaker 4: of those targets. 303 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 2: That are waffling a little bit. 304 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 4: And I don't know if you get into that either, 305 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 4: because then I got you know, I don't want an 306 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 4: entire fan base trying to torch me on Twitter. But absolutely, 307 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 4: and I think that that's where, you know, being in 308 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 4: this industry as long as I am, and being in 309 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 4: it in a pre social media era, but also being 310 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 4: in a heavy social. 311 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 2: Media era, I know when guys are getting shiftered. 312 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 3: Do you find that with representatives of recruits that there 313 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 3: are actual Scott Boris types who like, if somebody asked 314 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 3: you if a parent, you know, in your neighborhood or 315 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 3: something happened to have a four or five star kid 316 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 3: and say like, who would you go with? Because we 317 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 3: can't make heads or tails of the process, are there 318 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 3: actual I'm not going to say legit because that implies 319 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 3: that it's a wild world, which obviously probably is. But like, 320 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 3: are there like the A list type agencies that are 321 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 3: buttoned up that have actual lawyers looking at these deals 322 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 3: and changing language and making sure that you know, everybody's 323 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 3: taken care of properly. Like, are those you know people emerging? 324 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean you're going to have your your 325 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 4: athletes first. You're gonna have your WME, You're gonna have 326 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 4: uh clutch. You're gonna have guys that are tied to 327 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 4: major sports management firms that are representing the top NFL, 328 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 4: in the NBA and the MLB players. You're going to 329 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 4: have those guys. But they're not you know, going after 330 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 4: low hanging fruit. They're going after the guys that they 331 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 4: know they're gonna be sitting in the green room with 332 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 4: in three years from now, in four years from now. 333 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 4: You know, it's not uncommon for those high powered attorneys, right, 334 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 4: And I know guys that are at those athletes or 335 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 4: some clutch and the different you know, major kind of agencies, 336 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 4: and you know they're the ones that are representing the 337 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 4: top guys. The guys are going to be on a 338 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 4: doctor Pepper commercial, The guys are going to be you know, 339 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 4: involved in the major brands because they're playing the fifteen 340 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 4: year game. They're not playing the three year game, the 341 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 4: short term game. They're playing the long game, and their 342 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 4: percentages might even be less than what some of the 343 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 4: nil collective kind of management firms are getting right now 344 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 4: because they know that they're bound by NFLPA rules in 345 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 4: a couple of years, so they're not trying to get 346 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 4: out ahead their skis. 347 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 2: They want to hold onto this guy when he's really 348 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 2: making that right. So you have that, but they're they're 349 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 2: focusing on that one percent. You know. 350 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 4: Then you have kind of the mom and pop shops, 351 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 4: the guys that you know, they have a social media 352 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 4: account and they got a couple of guys and a 353 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 4: lot of times you're seeing, you know, I'm told so 354 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 4: and so is going into the portal from his agents. 355 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 2: You know, at least. 356 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 4: First the William Morris's and the Clutches don't need to 357 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 4: put who they're represented by it. They don't need it 358 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 4: to be tweeted out that they're represented by those guys. 359 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 2: We all know who they are anyway. 360 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 4: So you're definitely seeing the involvement from the higher power 361 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 4: sports management firms, but they're kind of just laying in 362 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:09,959 Speaker 4: the distance because they really are playing the long game, Brandon. 363 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: The big story, I guess in the early wave of 364 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:18,880 Speaker 1: recruiting news has been Bryce Underwood, originally committed to LSU, 365 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: waffled a bit, now has flipped to Michigan, reportedly to 366 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 1: the tune of twelve and a half million dollars. Where 367 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: that money is coming from? Maybe you can help shed 368 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:30,879 Speaker 1: some light on that. Can you shed some light just 369 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 1: broadly speaking on what that recruitment has been like and furthermore, 370 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: if Bryce Underwood is worth it, because that's a lot 371 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: of money. We know Michigan wants a better quarterback situation. 372 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 1: All you had to do was watch the game this 373 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: past weekend, which they won. Could have done better if 374 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 1: they had some better quarterback play. Can you shed some 375 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: light on what transpired there and maybe your personal opinion 376 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 1: on whether it all makes sense to do? 377 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I remember waynamw and I was first 378 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,360 Speaker 4: starting to get out the around in twenty twenty one, 379 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 4: and you started to see what you know, we came 380 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 4: in an era where there was the bag man right 381 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 4: where the bag man was paying. 382 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 2: Specific positions, but the one position that always seemed to. 383 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 4: Be avoided in taking security in the back, so to speak, 384 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 4: was quarterback. A lot of times, those guys, you know, 385 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 4: had the resources that they didn't need to get paid. 386 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 4: They just wanted to go play in an NFL system, 387 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 4: be developed, and get a chance to go to the 388 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 4: NFL because they knew they're ready to get paid when 389 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 4: they got to the NFL. Well, now you're seeing that 390 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 4: quarterbacks are dictating the market. You know, it's quarterbacks, left 391 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 4: tackles and pass threshers are kind of the big three 392 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 4: of where which is unlike the NFL, but those are 393 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 4: the three that are getting the biggest nil money and 394 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 4: we're seeing that. You know, with an elite affected quarterback, 395 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 4: you have a chance to win very early. And you know, 396 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 4: Michigan had a game manager in JJ McCarthy turned in 397 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 4: her first run or one am a national championship. Took 398 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 4: me a couple of playoffs, but the drop off was 399 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 4: dramatic this year. And so when you have an elite 400 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 4: quarterback in your backyard, I remember, if if Michigan had 401 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 4: really focused on Dante more two years ago, perhaps this 402 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 4: conversation is a lot different. Maybe you know, he's the 403 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 4: start of this year. He backs up JJ McCarthy last year. 404 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 4: He's the start of this year. And there's no drop 405 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 4: off from JJ McCarthy to Dante Moore, the local kid 406 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,479 Speaker 4: from Detroit, you know, who continues to run it, but 407 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 4: instead they didn't get him. And then when they lost Underwood, 408 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 4: you know, kind of on the heels of Harbaugh's will 409 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 4: he or won't he go to the NFL? You know, 410 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,439 Speaker 4: Shrian Moore, being an offensive line guy, wants to be 411 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 4: a run first, winning the trenches guy. You know, I 412 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 4: think that there looked like all law, you know, the 413 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 4: cause was lost, and then the quarterback play really tapered off, 414 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 4: and I think that there became the knee like we 415 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 4: got to do whatever we can to get Bryce Underwood here, 416 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 4: and I think that Underwood saw that. You know, maybe 417 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 4: the big reason for LSC's offensive success was Jayden Daniels, 418 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 4: was Mike Denbrock. Well, Mike Denbrock's no longer in Baton 419 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 4: Rouge and the offense isn't clicking nearly like it should, 420 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 4: and well Michigan really has some issues and it's close 421 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 4: to home, and you know, here comes Larry Ellison. I mean, 422 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 4: is he worth it? It's not my money to dictate, right, 423 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 4: that's the big thing. I have a whole other side 424 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 4: philosophy on that, but the point is, like, if you're 425 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 4: Michigan and you're now understanding that revenue generation and revenue 426 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 4: sharing it is coming. You know you need some of 427 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 4: that collective money, but you also are going to be 428 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 4: getting some from these TV deals. 429 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 2: So yeah, it's worth it. Further along in. 430 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:23,719 Speaker 4: The playoffs you get, the further along you win, the 431 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 4: more year you sell, the more money you're going to 432 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 4: how to share. And an elad quarterback from your backyard 433 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 4: is absolutely worth it. 434 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: I have heard, I have read comparisons to Patrick Mahomes, 435 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: Vince Young, Cam Newton, Cam Newton, like all of these 436 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: high profile guys who have come out of college and 437 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: have been successful to varying degrees at the NFL. Which 438 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: comparison is the most apt for Underwood. 439 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I Vince Young was such a unicorn, 440 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 4: and so is Cam Newton. But as good as Vince 441 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:04,120 Speaker 4: Young was, that was really talented back Cam Newton. 442 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 2: I mean, I've been watching. 443 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 4: College football since nineteen eighty two, all right, I would 444 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 4: say that. I mean, ty, I appreciate this. I'll still 445 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 4: stand on that, and it's because I'm showing my age, 446 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,880 Speaker 4: but to be rocket Ishmael was the most exciting college 447 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 4: football player ever saw, and I was a high school 448 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 4: kid when he was in college. I mean, Reggie Bush 449 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 4: was also pretty didn't good, but the single greatest season 450 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 4: I ever saw in the history of college football had 451 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 4: to have been that Cam Newton year and what he did. 452 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,120 Speaker 4: I don't think anybody physically can do what Cam Newton did, 453 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 4: so I think it's probably closer to a Vince Young, 454 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 4: where he's talent, there's talent around him, and he's willing 455 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 4: to elevate that talent because of how dynamic he is. 456 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 4: I think it's unfair to compare anybody to Cam Newton 457 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 4: because he was such a unicorn in college and even 458 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:53,160 Speaker 4: in the NFL. And you know, I always hate trying 459 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 4: to do it's plus it's easier when you you know 460 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 4: Cam Newton won a Heisman. Vince Young didn't, so you're 461 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 4: not comparing him to a Heisman winner, and we're not 462 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 4: guaranteeing him. 463 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 2: We're not wrong. 464 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 4: Policy him, but I would say that there's a lot 465 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 4: more of the Vince Young factor than there is Cam Newton, 466 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 4: which is still a pretty dan you know, high bar 467 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 4: if we're being candid. 468 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 1: Let me take a different spin on the money question 469 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 1: for a second. And let's assume that we're not talking 470 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: Bryce Underwood. He's already spoken for Brandon Hoffman. Let's say, 471 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 1: Textile Magnet, you've come into money, you care about college football. 472 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 1: You want your team. We don't even need to name 473 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: a team to excel. Where are you spending your money? 474 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: Of the other available players, who are you going after 475 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: from this class that you think is worth the money? 476 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: If not Bryce Underwood From a pure investment. 477 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 4: Standpoint, yeah, from a pure she want names of the players, like, 478 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 4: who are the guys that I want? That guy he's 479 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 4: going to be. I want to know difference. 480 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 2: I want to know who you go after. 481 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 4: Honestly, I think a guy like Elijah Griffith, you know 482 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 4: who's going to Georgia. And you look at what Georgia 483 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,880 Speaker 4: did in those two national championship seasons. They kick your 484 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,360 Speaker 4: butt at the line of scrimmage on the defense side 485 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 4: of the ball. That front seven was disgusting. When you 486 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 4: know and Nolan Smith like your third best defensive lineman. 487 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 4: You know that tells you how good you are up front. 488 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,880 Speaker 4: And you know, I would say defensive Lineman. And again, 489 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 4: I'm one of those weird West Coast guys that when 490 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 4: I see a six foot three, two hundred and twenty 491 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 4: five pounds, want to be tied end. I'm like, dude, 492 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 4: if you were in the South, you'd be wearing number 493 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:25,120 Speaker 4: fifty nine. You'd be coming off the edge. 494 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:25,360 Speaker 2: Yep. 495 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 4: Go make yourself some money over there. Don't go be 496 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 4: a slow receiver. Go play defense. So I feel like, 497 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,719 Speaker 4: you know in this era that defense is the difference. 498 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 4: But then you know you have these two kind of 499 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 4: I think the National Championship Game last year gives you 500 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,880 Speaker 4: arguments for both sides. You know, Michigan won because they 501 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 4: they just dominated you up front, their defensive line, their 502 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 4: defense in general. But Mason Graham and Kenneth Graham and 503 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 4: the way that that defense took over games. But then 504 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,679 Speaker 4: Washington with many of the same players that were there 505 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 4: under Chris Peterson or recruited by Chris Peterson and therefore 506 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 4: the Jimmy Lake disaster, Michael Penix took them from a 507 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 4: team that lost at home to Montana to playing in 508 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 4: the National Championship Game two years later with many of 509 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 4: the same players. But Penix made that big of a difference. 510 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 4: So you know, there's an argument for both my personal philosophy, 511 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 4: we get as good a defensive alignment as you can, 512 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 4: and you know, if you can get a quarterback, the 513 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 4: next guy you go after is a defensivelignment because that 514 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 4: one guy can change the entire complexion of your front seven, 515 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,959 Speaker 4: which changes the entire complexion of a lot of games 516 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 4: if you're getting a pass rush. 517 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 2: On that quarterback. 518 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 4: And I think a guy like him is where you 519 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 4: put your money. But you know, David Sanders, he's also 520 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 4: in the conversation because you need somebody to protect your 521 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 4: prize possession at quarterback, you know, is. 522 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 2: That what it is? 523 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 4: But I also think that you know, we look at 524 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 4: how crucial Caleb Downs was to Alabama and even to 525 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 4: Ohio State. You know, this season, an elite dB is 526 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 4: also starting to become much more desirable. You know, you 527 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 4: think about seven years ago, the number one player in 528 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 4: the country, the most heavily recruited player, was Najie Harris. 529 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 4: He was a running back and you know Bama got it, 530 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 4: Michigan wanted him. But at the end of the day, 531 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 4: if you look at what was the most crucial part 532 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 4: of that Alabama recreated class, Well, it was receivers. It 533 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 4: was the Henry Ruggs, Jerry Judy, DeVante Smith getting you know, 534 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 4: Mac Jones, and two a tongue of by Lowa in 535 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 4: the same class. But all anybody want to talk about 536 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 4: was nausey. So we're seeing that the game is change. 537 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 4: Where you need a quarterback. If you've got some elite 538 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 4: offensive lineman, gray throw a receiver in there, because one 539 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 4: receiver can make a huge difference unless you're ready Chip 540 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,679 Speaker 4: Kelly's offense, in which you get the most generational receiver 541 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 4: ever and avoided for an entire half. But I think 542 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 4: you know the quarterback first, a defensive linement second, then 543 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 4: I I mean left tackle or a big play explosively receiver. 544 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 3: How is this year's quarterback class after Bryce Underwood, who 545 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 3: do you like? What is the depth like? Who do 546 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:53,919 Speaker 3: you think might have a steal? 547 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:54,640 Speaker 2: Where? 548 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,400 Speaker 3: Where does this year's class stack up in terms of 549 00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 3: recent years? 550 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:00,360 Speaker 2: It's good. 551 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,360 Speaker 4: I mean the top three players in our class are 552 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 4: all quarterbacks. Under We're going to Michigan. Then you've got 553 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,360 Speaker 4: Keylon Russell going to Alabama, and then you got Tavi 554 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 4: in Saint Clair going to Ohio State. So it's just 555 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 4: going to see Alabama and Ohio State or finally over 556 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 4: able to just get some things to break their way 557 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 4: when it comes to quarterbacks, and you could make an 558 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 4: argument for any of those three as being the best 559 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,360 Speaker 4: player in this class. I mean, if you really look 560 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 4: at from a competition level, Keilan Russell is probably the 561 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,199 Speaker 4: closest to Kyler Murray in the sense that here he 562 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 4: is a star in the biggest stage in high school football, 563 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 4: winning the you know, the biggest division in the state 564 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 4: of Texas and competing on that level. I mean, this 565 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 4: is a guy that right lastly thought he got a 566 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 4: steal a year ago when he was communed to SMU, 567 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,160 Speaker 4: and then here comes Kaylyn de Bore coming in with 568 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 4: you know, Michael Pennix in his back pocket, even Jake Hanner, 569 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 4: and now Kailyn Russell's going to Alabama. That's you know, 570 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 4: the kind of gravitas that Kaylyn de Boor had with 571 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 4: with Michael pens but also what Alabama can do over SMU. 572 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 4: And you know, he's transcended from or I said it 573 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 4: for being like a back end top two four seven 574 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 4: guy to the number two player in the country. It 575 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 4: could be the best player in the country. Tavy and 576 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 4: Saint Clair kind of the same same thing. I mean, 577 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 4: here's a guy who's elite, but he's going to go 578 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 4: to a very crowded room. We've got Devin Brown, You've 579 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:18,160 Speaker 4: got leacoln Knholes, You've got Aaron Nolan. You've got Julian 580 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 4: uh saying who you know transferred in from Alabama. So 581 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 4: those three guys are elite. I mean, we talked about 582 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 4: the class from two years ago. A lot of the 583 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 4: things you've done on the show. You had Nico, you 584 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 4: had arch Manning, you had Dante More and Jaden Rashada 585 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 4: and you know Malachi Nelson. Well right now it's basically 586 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 4: you know, Nico arch is showing those flashes. Dante More 587 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 4: will probably get a chance to be the guy next year. 588 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 4: You know, will Jade and Rashada even play at Alabama 589 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 4: at Georgia? Is Malachai Nessa never going to see the field? 590 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 4: Is he going to transfer again? So that's the only hesitancy. 591 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 4: When we saw we thought was a generational quarterback class, 592 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 4: it hasn't broken as such. And that's where you know, 593 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,439 Speaker 4: schools that still develop their quarterbacks. I think in this 594 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 4: day and age, you know it's still important to develop 595 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 4: your quarterbacks because the transfer portal quarterback crop is going 596 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 4: to be pretty mediocre this year. And that's partly because 597 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 4: we're seeing so much bouncing around. 598 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 2: Yeah. 599 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 3: True, And it's also been a season. Quarterbacks are usually 600 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 3: decided a year year and a half ahead of time. 601 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 4: At least it's been a season to that point. Not 602 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 4: to take you off, but just you know you had 603 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 4: in this class. I I was on Brandon, who was 604 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 4: the number one player in the country, was going to 605 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 4: wait till December to announce his decision, and then he 606 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 4: ended up moving into August because schools were already telling 607 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 4: them the number one player in the country. They were 608 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 4: telling hey, we need a decision because we're going to 609 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 4: move on. 610 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: This is twenty six too. 611 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 2: This is twenty six. He hadn't even started his junior 612 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 2: year of high school. 613 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 4: And I was at fulsome high school last month and 614 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 4: I was talking to Rider Lions, who's the number two 615 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 4: quarterback in the country, top five player, and he's planning 616 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 4: to serve an LDS mission for at least a year. 617 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 4: But you know, he's the only one of the few 618 00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 4: quarterbacks that feels like I don't need to decide just 619 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 4: yet because I'm still not really enrolling till twenty twenty seven, 620 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 4: but that's how sped up things are, where now the 621 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 4: quarterbacks that haven't even started. 622 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 2: Their junior are almost being pushed. Hey, make a decision. 623 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 4: Now, we're just gonna move on because we need to 624 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 4: have something, you know, kind of in the chambers. 625 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,719 Speaker 3: So this has been a class though we've had Julian 626 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 3: Lewis committed to USC forever. He flips It's Long Street 627 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 3: from A and M then flips to USC. Cal has 628 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 3: a quarterback committed who seems to be coveted by Oregon, 629 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 3: and so it's been a sort of later stage dominoes. 630 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 3: How normal is this? Do you like those guys? And 631 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 3: sub question with Julian Lewis leaving USC, what has happened 632 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 3: to USC's class. 633 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, well there's two parts to that question. 634 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 4: The first one, I'll say that the dominoes are are 635 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 4: surprising because when the quarterback dominoes falls, like you said, 636 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 4: it's a year before, it's when this guy commits, then 637 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 4: we know, hey, we might have a chance for this guy. 638 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 4: But once we know we're out, then we can move 639 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 4: on this guy, and then everything kind of just falls 640 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 4: into place. 641 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 2: As a result of that. 642 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 4: I mean, you know, Cal went from having Robert McDaniel, 643 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 4: who I like, Lie he's committed to Arizona, but they 644 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 4: wouldn't have had a chance at Jaron if Robert McDaniel 645 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 4: had State committed, and he decommitted. On Memorial Day, six 646 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 4: days later, Jared's at their cam. Daron Sogo Polotelli, a 647 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 4: Nomber one player in Hawaii. That's what you're talking about. 648 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 4: It's comed by Oregon. He goes to their camp, gets 649 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 4: an offer. At that point, his only offers that he 650 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 4: had an old offer from Washington from Ryan grebbing Kaylen 651 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 4: to Boord, but they didn't. 652 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 2: The boarded a recruitment Alabama. 653 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 4: So his top schools going into June were Utah State, 654 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 4: Boise State, and Oregon State. All right three two Mountain 655 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 4: West schools, and a former Pack twelve school and now 656 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 4: they're all going to be future Packed call schools. Cal 657 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 4: only offered him because five days earlier they lost their 658 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 4: quarterback commit. They end up getting him, but then they 659 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 4: realized we're going to hold on with this kid, and 660 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 4: then Georgia offers, and then Oregon offers, and now they're 661 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 4: going to have to battle with orgon all the way 662 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 4: to the end. But you know, the dominoes fall, that 663 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 4: bid don't fall three days before Satnit Day. Even remember 664 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 4: when when Dante More flipped two years ago. That was 665 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 4: so rare to have a quarterback flip that late, because 666 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 4: usually they're so all in with their class there, they're 667 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 4: so all in with recruiters. Yeah, yeah, the pipe piper, right, 668 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 4: you want your quarterback committarily because he's going to track 669 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 4: the receivers in the linemen and all that. 670 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 2: So it was kind of kind of crazy how that happened. 671 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 4: And you know, at the same time, I'd written a 672 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 4: column for John Lohner back in the spring where I said, 673 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 4: you know, this is the one thing with sc they 674 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 4: went through this last year. They with Lincoln Riley not 675 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 4: focusing on southern California like Clay Hilton did, like Steve 676 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 4: Sarkisian did, Kiffin or Pete Carroll did, and doing this 677 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 4: national and being on the record saying, hey, I don't 678 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 4: necessarily think we. 679 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 2: Have to recruit in our backyard. We can recruit nationally. Well. 680 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 2: The problem is when you go after a kid from Georgia, 681 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 2: or kids from Texas or a kid from Florida and 682 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 2: you get him in April May. 683 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 4: You now have nine months to babysit them right, and 684 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 4: you can't do that when you're not there. You can 685 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 4: do that a little bit more when you're with a 686 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 4: local kid. You can get him to come to campus, 687 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 4: get him to come to Ganes. But now you're also 688 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 4: getting into commit early and telling Georgia and Florida and 689 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 4: Texas and Alabama and Auburn how much car do they 690 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 4: have to recruit this kid? Okay, he committed. See now 691 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 4: we know who are real. 692 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 3: You set the market right, you're studying the anil market as well. 693 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. You're setting the mark. Okay, what 694 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 2: are they giving you? Okay, cool, We've got that. That's easy. 695 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 2: Give us eight months to get that and we'll get it. 696 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 4: And I mean, Juju was done of the worst kept 697 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 4: secret for the last three or four months, and it 698 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 4: felt really you go back to the summer that things 699 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 4: were trending away, and you know, I think that they 700 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 4: upgraded because I love Houston LONGSTREETA in terms of you know, 701 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 4: he's a local kid, He's a southern California kid. Crom 702 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 4: Centtanno kids are usually some of the most well coach kids. 703 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 4: You're going to find in high school football, they're usually 704 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 4: you know, the best public school in California. They play 705 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 4: a tough competition, tough schedule every year, and you know, 706 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 4: we've seen a lot of those centenno kids go on. 707 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 4: So I think, you know, if you're USC eighty to 708 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 4: ninety percent of your class, this should should still be 709 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 4: Southern California. 710 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 1: Or even West Coast. 711 00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 712 00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, West Coast kids go to Utah, goo to Arizona, 713 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 4: go to Colorado, get those elique guys, but focus on 714 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 4: the West. And that was the danger and so they 715 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 4: just you know, they were fortuitous enough, but they could 716 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 4: keep recruiting Long Street and him being a Southern California kid, 717 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 4: he probably saw the Caleb Williams era, and you know 718 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 4: he was probably old enough to remember maybe you know 719 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 4: how I see was under Sam Darnold, I faithfully on 720 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 4: the sidebar. We've gone away from that. Oh yeah, Reggie 721 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 4: Bush is my favorite college player. Like, dude, Reggie Bush 722 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 4: was out of the NFL by. 723 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 2: The time you were born. That's how well you are. 724 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 2: But you know, you see the Caleb Williams of what 725 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 2: he did the previous two years, during. 726 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 4: Those real formative years for a quarterback, and so I think, 727 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 4: you know, USC upgraded a bit in terms of just 728 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 4: everything you know, from a Taylor standpoint, Juju is obviously 729 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 4: tremendously talented. Remember he could be in the twenty twenty 730 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 4: sixth class. He was originally a twenty twenty six guy 731 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 4: who reclassified up. So there's still talent there. But when 732 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 4: you're USC and you're in southern California, the entire package 733 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 4: of Long Street, I think is an upgrade just given 734 00:33:58,480 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 4: the local roots. 735 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 1: Brandon, can you demystify the process of reclassification. I feel 736 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 1: like we've heard more and more of that over the 737 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,280 Speaker 1: last couple of years. And while I know what it means, 738 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: and while Dan knows what it means, I suspect there 739 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 1: are a great number of our listeners who don't. What 740 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:14,839 Speaker 1: does that mean? 741 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, it means that we're going to get an entire 742 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,799 Speaker 4: season of being told how ol Ryan Williams is, you know, 743 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,959 Speaker 4: which is great because we've gone away from the brock 744 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:28,839 Speaker 4: Osswallder six seven and the McCoy Shipley roommates and all that. 745 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,280 Speaker 4: But I'd say that in a joking matter, mostly because 746 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 4: a lot of these guys reclassify their holdbacks Okay, they 747 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 4: started high school a year later than most. I mean, 748 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,359 Speaker 4: there's a running joke, and Dan and I talk about 749 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 4: this a lot, being both Southern California guys. Where you know, 750 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 4: a freshman in high school in southern California is probably 751 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 4: driving himself to school because he did eighth grade once, 752 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 4: if not twice, you know, and when you can play 753 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 4: your entire senior year at the age of nineteen, and 754 00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,959 Speaker 4: you could be nineteen at the end of your junior year. 755 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 4: When Night from nineteen six weeks before I started my 756 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 4: sophomore year in college, A lot of these guys that 757 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,400 Speaker 4: are reclassifying, they're still old for the class they're reclassifying 758 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 4: up to interesting and so basically what you're seeing as 759 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:13,920 Speaker 4: guys are now realizing, Hey, I might be in a 760 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 4: state that doesn't allow for NIL for high school players. 761 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 4: I want to go get that back, and I want 762 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:20,400 Speaker 4: to get it now, or I want to get to 763 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 4: the collegian ranks because I want to be in the 764 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 4: NFL in three years, and if I stay in school 765 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 4: for another year, that's four years to them at the NFL. 766 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,359 Speaker 4: It's another year to I'm getting my NIL. I can 767 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 4: expandit everything by a year, and so a lot of 768 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 4: times you're going to have the Ryan Williams is that 769 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 4: are the rare young guys for their class. But the 770 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 4: flip side is, majority of the reclassifications are guys that 771 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,319 Speaker 4: were already a year, if not two years older than 772 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 4: their own class, and they're actually kind of getting a 773 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,400 Speaker 4: little bit more with their age. 774 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 2: Group by going up. 775 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 4: And they have the credits because they took eighth grade twice, 776 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 4: but they're already taking college ready classes or high school 777 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,399 Speaker 4: ready classes in their second year in eighth grade. So 778 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,319 Speaker 4: it's it's not, in my opinion, it's not nearly as 779 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 4: chimerous as it looks. A lot of times it's like, hey, 780 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 4: we're just trying to get, you know, get to that 781 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,800 Speaker 4: money sooner, and I'll blame quicker. You can get to 782 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 4: the money and go get to the money. But the 783 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 4: Ryan Williams of the kind of the rare species of 784 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,879 Speaker 4: the guys that are that young playing their their freshman year. 785 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 1: There is not like a Doogie Houser type of epidemic 786 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,400 Speaker 1: in college football. It's more just a realignment with your 787 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,760 Speaker 1: I guess normal age bracket right. 788 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 4: Exactly, or you know, in a lot of those cases, yeah, 789 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,279 Speaker 4: getting re aligned with your age back, or even you're 790 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 4: only a year older than the guys that you reclassified 791 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,240 Speaker 4: with instead of two years older. I mean, I joked 792 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,920 Speaker 4: that there were guys that were literally turning sixteen to 793 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 4: the spring of their freshman year, and you know, they 794 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 4: drove themselves to camps that summer, and it's like, man, 795 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 4: in the old days, sixteen was like what you turn 796 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 4: right before your junior year started, maybe at the end 797 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,840 Speaker 4: of your sophomore year, if your parents just for a 798 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,839 Speaker 4: little hesitant to send you to school. But now you know, 799 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:03,279 Speaker 4: it's very much a accepted thing that, especially on the 800 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,239 Speaker 4: West Coast, that chances are good you're a year older 801 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 4: than you should be in your class, a year older 802 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,840 Speaker 4: than your class because you were a super holeback or 803 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:12,360 Speaker 4: a homeback. 804 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 3: And I think Patrick Chung was sixteen and a half 805 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 3: when he enrolled at Oregon. I think he went the 806 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 3: OP and he didn't reclassify. I don't believe he was 807 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,799 Speaker 3: just young, which is wild to think about. Now there's 808 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 3: another player. There's a player in this class, at the 809 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,280 Speaker 3: twenty twenty five class who's reclassifying, who has a unique 810 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:30,960 Speaker 3: situation in Jakiem Stewart, who I think he is. Has 811 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,600 Speaker 3: he only played two years of high school football. 812 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,840 Speaker 4: And if that it's been like I think it's like 813 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 4: fifteen sixteen games of high school football, right. 814 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,239 Speaker 3: So is is obviously with somebody as physically talented. He's 815 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,400 Speaker 3: a defensive lineman from Louisiana looking at LSU and USC, 816 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 3: Ohio State, Oregon schools like that. Are are we getting 817 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,920 Speaker 3: into an era where you look at like pro drafts, 818 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,799 Speaker 3: you look at NBA drafts, you look at NFL drafts, 819 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,879 Speaker 3: and you're like, well, he's a project. He has physical tools, 820 00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 3: but he's a project. But at least they played college sport. 821 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,560 Speaker 3: We're now looking on an even lower level that like 822 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,160 Speaker 3: he's played a little bit of high school football, and 823 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,719 Speaker 3: these schools because of his bill, that he's broad, that 824 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 3: he's tall, that he's quick. Like, are we getting into 825 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:16,320 Speaker 3: that era of just looking at measurables without actual production 826 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 3: or or is he just a sort of rare case. 827 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 1: I mean he is a rare case. 828 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 4: Although it's fascinating because I mean, how many times have 829 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,920 Speaker 4: we seen the NBA draft go draft a guy who 830 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,719 Speaker 4: was the eleventh player on his team, but he's got 831 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,319 Speaker 4: this ridiculous subside. He was a run and done. He 832 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,279 Speaker 4: was six ten, six eleven. You can't teach that. And 833 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,399 Speaker 4: if you were a fourth year senior, you weren't getting 834 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,560 Speaker 4: drafted fresh one because something was wrong with you because 835 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,439 Speaker 4: he played college basketball for four years. Clint Brewster, who's 836 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 4: one of our portal evaluators, tweeted something last week that 837 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,320 Speaker 4: I thought was pretty fascinating because I think it's accurate. 838 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 4: Is that schools are now looking in the portal for 839 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,799 Speaker 4: production more than projection. And I think you're seeing a 840 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 4: lot more schools now realizing, hey, measurables can be misleading. 841 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,239 Speaker 4: The guy is not a good football player. He might 842 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 4: be big, he might be fast, he might be strong, 843 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,120 Speaker 4: he might be athletic, but he's not a good football player. 844 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,080 Speaker 4: Now with rosters being shrunk, and now with you know, 845 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 4: twenty five guys in a class, and he might want 846 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 4: fifteen out of high school and ten out of the portal, 847 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,239 Speaker 4: and guys aren't willing to wait if you try to 848 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,680 Speaker 4: resht them and develop them. You want those guys at 849 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,239 Speaker 4: a college ready. You don't want to sash a guy 850 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,280 Speaker 4: out your roster anymore. I remember there were Shawn Evans 851 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,319 Speaker 4: recruit was one of the most fascinated that I can 852 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 4: remember because here he was. His final three was Alabama 853 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,920 Speaker 4: at Auburn and UCLA, and Auburn was basically saying, hey, 854 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 4: you're going to start next year. Ucla was losing Anthony 855 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,359 Speaker 4: bar Hey you're going to start next year. Alabama says, hey, 856 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,319 Speaker 4: you could probably start your junior year, maybe not till 857 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,239 Speaker 4: your senior ye because we have seven guys just like you, 858 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,480 Speaker 4: So don't get you know, in a hurry, because he's 859 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:46,920 Speaker 4: probably an't going to play for three years. And I 860 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,640 Speaker 4: don't think he started a game until like the end 861 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,080 Speaker 4: of his junior year, starts his whole senior ends up 862 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,319 Speaker 4: being a top ten pig. You know, those days are 863 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,040 Speaker 4: don't because guys don't want to sit and wait for 864 00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,360 Speaker 4: three years. They want to play right now. And especially 865 00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:02,440 Speaker 4: when we get into this revenue sharing era where your 866 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,040 Speaker 4: ability to play and your ability to make an impact 867 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 4: of the team's going to dictate what your revenue is 868 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,360 Speaker 4: going to be. Guys want to play now. You're going 869 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,280 Speaker 4: to get less money city on the bench as a background. 870 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 4: So I think as a result of that, schools are 871 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,399 Speaker 4: recalibrating what they're looking for. They still want the guys 872 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,280 Speaker 4: with all the measurables, but you better have the film 873 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,400 Speaker 4: to back it up. And stores are going to be 874 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,399 Speaker 4: written on the twenty twenty one class because for every 875 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:27,680 Speaker 4: Caleb Williams and you know, Drake May and JJ McCarthy 876 00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,480 Speaker 4: that were first round picks, you know you're going to 877 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:34,640 Speaker 4: have guys that, if their senior year playing high school 878 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 4: football to en' roll early. 879 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:37,560 Speaker 2: I mean, ty I hate to bring it up with 880 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:38,240 Speaker 2: Tyler Buckner. 881 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,439 Speaker 4: He's very similar to the Jack King Stewart because he's 882 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,200 Speaker 4: the back of his freshman year, bears his ACL his 883 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 4: sophomore year, plays his junior has a tremendous year, and 884 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:49,080 Speaker 4: then en rolls early. 885 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:50,600 Speaker 2: Well, Notre Dame got a guy who. 886 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 4: Played about fourteen high school football games, and there is 887 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,279 Speaker 4: value in being an experienced player. And I think the 888 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,759 Speaker 4: schools are now saying, with everything trending the way they are, 889 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,440 Speaker 4: we need the production more than we need the projection. 890 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,680 Speaker 4: And that's why you're seeing players from the ivy Leagues, 891 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,560 Speaker 4: players from fcs going into the portal and being scooped 892 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,359 Speaker 4: up a lot quicker than the guy who was really 893 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,040 Speaker 4: highly taught out of high school. He hasn't seen the 894 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:16,960 Speaker 4: field in three years. So we don't really know if 895 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 4: he's any good because he hasn't played for three years. 896 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,120 Speaker 4: We'd rather have the guy who's kind of the known quantity, 897 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,960 Speaker 4: even if he played lower level football. So it's definitely 898 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,799 Speaker 4: reshaped how players are being evaluated. 899 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,279 Speaker 1: I'm going to forget that Tyler Buckner comment because he 900 00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,640 Speaker 1: had a very big pass completion on a fake pun 901 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:34,440 Speaker 1: against the USC. 902 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,440 Speaker 4: Okay, and he did bring a national championship to South Bank, 903 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:38,120 Speaker 4: thank you much. 904 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,520 Speaker 1: Sure that look at that spart, but he did it 905 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,960 Speaker 1: absolutely correct. Let's cover both ends of the spectrum here, 906 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,880 Speaker 1: all right. As we look at team rankings, which teams 907 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,000 Speaker 1: are you looking at that you say to yourself, either 908 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,360 Speaker 1: because of the names in the class, or the quality 909 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,120 Speaker 1: of the class, or just the recruiting ranking associated with 910 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:02,080 Speaker 1: that team's class, who is pun above their weight? Right now? Again, 911 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,960 Speaker 1: as we record this, let's say, twelve hours before it 912 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:05,799 Speaker 1: really hits the fan. 913 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's hard to say that Auburn is 914 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,840 Speaker 4: punching above their weight because we know what Hugh Breest 915 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,680 Speaker 4: can do as a recruiter. We know what he did 916 00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,720 Speaker 4: when he was at Ole Miss. We've seen what Auburn 917 00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,640 Speaker 4: did a year ago. But given that they've been kind 918 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,120 Speaker 4: of a disaster on the field for the last couple 919 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,839 Speaker 4: of years, and you know, there's always the fun. Brian 920 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,920 Speaker 4: Harson tweets on Sundays after Auburn loses that, you know, 921 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,680 Speaker 4: add to it. But I think that, you know, Auburn 922 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 4: is certainly kind of the the outlier here. I mean, 923 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:36,600 Speaker 4: we think back to when Texas A and M had 924 00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,560 Speaker 4: the number one class three years ago. Yeah, Texas A 925 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,960 Speaker 4: and M has recruited good, but we didn't expect them 926 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,040 Speaker 4: to have the number one class. 927 00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:43,120 Speaker 2: Auburn's kind of the. 928 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:44,800 Speaker 4: One where you're like, yeah, we you know, we expect 929 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,040 Speaker 4: Alabama and Georgia and Ohio State and Texas and you know, 930 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,440 Speaker 4: LSU and Oregon to be up there. But you know, 931 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,480 Speaker 4: Auburn hasn't been great. And I would say that, you know, 932 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,279 Speaker 4: the other school that you kind of are surprised if 933 00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:57,880 Speaker 4: you look at the fluct that you know in the 934 00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:02,040 Speaker 4: top ten, is that is Florida Because you just think 935 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,440 Speaker 4: about again, Florida has had great classes forever. But I 936 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 4: feel like billion Naper's been on the hot season today. 937 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,520 Speaker 4: He took the job. It was very much like the 938 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,040 Speaker 4: fire ron Zook website. Getting started the day ron zup 939 00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,719 Speaker 4: was higher where they were looking for reasons to get 940 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,040 Speaker 4: rid of million Napier. And so this is a class 941 00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,320 Speaker 4: that it looked like it was going to be cataclysmically 942 00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,719 Speaker 4: bad back in the spring, and now they're closing with 943 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,160 Speaker 4: a vengeance, very much like Urban Mayri used to close 944 00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,160 Speaker 4: there when he was at Florida. So if you look 945 00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,799 Speaker 4: at what the situations have been on the field, those 946 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,839 Speaker 4: are the two that are kind of like they're doing 947 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:34,600 Speaker 4: a little better now. 948 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,360 Speaker 3: By the way, that's that's the buyout money versus the 949 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,719 Speaker 3: nil purse. Which are we going to spend the money 950 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,440 Speaker 3: on right now? Are you gonna fire BILLI Napier and 951 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,720 Speaker 3: pay the buyout or keep Billy Napier and pay the class? 952 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:46,640 Speaker 2: Yeah? Hundred percent? 953 00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,880 Speaker 4: And you know you can your boosters are like this, 954 00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:50,800 Speaker 4: and you were the one that signed it to that contract. 955 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,120 Speaker 2: Go get me. I'm gonna go give you money for 956 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:53,759 Speaker 2: a quarterback, not to get rid of that guy. 957 00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:55,480 Speaker 4: Unless you're text A and m whatch you have so 958 00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,240 Speaker 4: much go to hell money that they told you Jima 959 00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:58,000 Speaker 4: Fisher to go to hell. 960 00:43:58,080 --> 00:43:58,400 Speaker 2: Correct. 961 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:00,520 Speaker 4: But if you look at the two that are kind 962 00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,279 Speaker 4: of like, hey, these aren't traditional blue Blods. How do 963 00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,600 Speaker 4: they have top twenty classes? I would say it's Georgia 964 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:09,560 Speaker 4: Tech and TCU. And you know, Georgia Tech has been 965 00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,759 Speaker 4: one of those schools. Were given the fact that we're 966 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,440 Speaker 4: no longer in the Big three era or in the 967 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,560 Speaker 4: Big four area of California Georgia or California, Florida, Texas 968 00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,080 Speaker 4: and Georgia that you would have thought Georgia Tech would 969 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,800 Speaker 4: be able to recruit better than they have historically given 970 00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:26,000 Speaker 4: the amount of talent in state. And so Georgia Tech 971 00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:27,719 Speaker 4: being a top twenty class, you know, getting the guy 972 00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,680 Speaker 4: like Josh Petty that offers from the entire country, flipping 973 00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:34,320 Speaker 4: Tay Harris last week from Clemson. You know, are Georgia 974 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,560 Speaker 4: Tech fans said about how Friday Night went. Yeah, absolutely, 975 00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,919 Speaker 4: But I think they got their guy and Brent Key 976 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,600 Speaker 4: and he's recruiting as such. And then the other one's TCU. 977 00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:44,520 Speaker 4: I mean, this is a team that I think got 978 00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:45,680 Speaker 4: a little bit of a bump from playing in the 979 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,359 Speaker 4: National Championship Game two years ago. You know, Sunny Dykes 980 00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,440 Speaker 4: has always done a really good job recruiting in Texas, 981 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,560 Speaker 4: including when he was at Cow when he stopped recruiting. 982 00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:53,800 Speaker 2: The Bay Area and recruited Texas. 983 00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,760 Speaker 4: But I think TCU has done a really good job 984 00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,120 Speaker 4: and you know, kind of taking advantage of the fact 985 00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,000 Speaker 4: that Texas and Oklahom are out of the Big twelve 986 00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:05,360 Speaker 4: and kind of becoming that Big twelve top recruiting program 987 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,360 Speaker 4: in the States. So those are the two that I 988 00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,200 Speaker 4: would say from a traditional standpoint or kind of the 989 00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,000 Speaker 4: you know, two of these kids are not like the other. 990 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,280 Speaker 1: The flip side of that question is who is underwhelming? 991 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,160 Speaker 3: Are you just is this the Clemson question? Is that 992 00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:18,040 Speaker 3: you can just call it. 993 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,440 Speaker 1: That tie, we can call it the Clemson question. I'm 994 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,040 Speaker 1: going to allow Brandon, our in house expert here to 995 00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,319 Speaker 1: answer that question. But are there programs out there that 996 00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,840 Speaker 1: you're looking at that either you look at the class 997 00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,680 Speaker 1: and you don't like it regardless of what the ranking says, 998 00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:35,720 Speaker 1: or programs that you just look at and say straight up, okay. 999 00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,840 Speaker 1: Maybe Clemson's the answer here, Dan, I just don't know 1000 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,080 Speaker 1: where this program's at. It feels like they are not 1001 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:42,400 Speaker 1: doing what they're supposed to be doing. 1002 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,640 Speaker 3: Empty four stars tie jor U c L A question, 1003 00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,600 Speaker 3: who is who is underwhelming you? 1004 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:49,320 Speaker 2: Is my question? 1005 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,680 Speaker 4: I would say it is Clemsy. And I think, you know, 1006 00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:54,719 Speaker 4: it was funny because as soon as Dan said, just 1007 00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,040 Speaker 4: call it the Cson question, first kid of mind, it 1008 00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:00,000 Speaker 4: is Clemson. You know, you know, Clemson was that outline 1009 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:00,759 Speaker 4: when they were winning the. 1010 00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,640 Speaker 2: National championship in twenty sixteen to twenty eighteen. 1011 00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:05,719 Speaker 4: They were doing it with just kind of on the 1012 00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,040 Speaker 4: cusp on the on the bottom end of Bud Elliott's 1013 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,560 Speaker 4: blue chip ratio. You know, they didn't have the elage class. 1014 00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,000 Speaker 4: But then because they were winning, because guys are getting drafted, 1015 00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,920 Speaker 4: Clemson started to recruit really well. Well, now they're barely 1016 00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,560 Speaker 4: at top thirty class. They lost one of their key 1017 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,239 Speaker 4: players in Tayrris last week you flipped to Georgia Tech. 1018 00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,839 Speaker 4: And you know, again, when you're Clemson, now you're losing 1019 00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,440 Speaker 4: guys to Georgia Tech. You know, it was understandable if 1020 00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,239 Speaker 4: you were Clemson. You lost a kid to Florida State, 1021 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:31,920 Speaker 4: you lost a kid to Bama, you lost a kid 1022 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,600 Speaker 4: to like Georgia Tech. It's kind of like, what is 1023 00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,520 Speaker 4: going on here? And you know, I think it's been 1024 00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:41,479 Speaker 4: much discussed about Dabos Swinney's approach to the portal and 1025 00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,359 Speaker 4: even to nil to an expent, but we were used 1026 00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,879 Speaker 4: to seeing Clemson, even when they were having their down 1027 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,759 Speaker 4: years so to speak, in the last five years of 1028 00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,240 Speaker 4: you know, winning ten games but losing games they shouldn't 1029 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,960 Speaker 4: and not competing for national championshps, they were still recruiting. Well, well, 1030 00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,920 Speaker 4: they're kind of that that rare, like, man, is there 1031 00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:03,239 Speaker 4: something conuing to kind of go wrong at Clemson. So 1032 00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,640 Speaker 4: I think they're kind of the one school that they're 1033 00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,440 Speaker 4: the most glaring in terms of what they had been, 1034 00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,560 Speaker 4: what they were kind of at their peak, and you know, 1035 00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:13,160 Speaker 4: what they. 1036 00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,200 Speaker 2: Really should be. They're really the only ones that I 1037 00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:17,120 Speaker 2: would say, and. 1038 00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,840 Speaker 4: I think because we got to see the rise of 1039 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:27,560 Speaker 4: Stanford in the Jim Harbough years through kind of the 1040 00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,480 Speaker 4: middle David Shaw years, Stanford was getting top ten classes 1041 00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:35,279 Speaker 4: left and right. Is Stanford at risk of being left 1042 00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,440 Speaker 4: behind the station because of their insistence on doing it 1043 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,600 Speaker 4: the Stanford way and not the modern way and even 1044 00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,799 Speaker 4: seeing Stanford as a top forty five class, a top 1045 00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,440 Speaker 4: fifty class coming off these last few unsuccessful years, the 1046 00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,000 Speaker 4: fact that they aren't going to hit the portal, so 1047 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,200 Speaker 4: you would think that they would ramp up there. You know, 1048 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,279 Speaker 4: they lost the commitment on Tuesday from one of their 1049 00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,600 Speaker 4: top commits in this class and by Oucukala from you know, 1050 00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,280 Speaker 4: from the city of Utah, and like they're losing guys 1051 00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,440 Speaker 4: instead of gaining guys. And I think that that's one 1052 00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,440 Speaker 4: of those where, like you know, in that two thousand 1053 00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,719 Speaker 4: and eight to twenty fifteen eras Stanford was getting who 1054 00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:12,719 Speaker 4: they wanted. If you were alignment, you were going to 1055 00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:14,440 Speaker 4: stand Ford. If you were a quarterback, you were going 1056 00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,520 Speaker 4: to Stanford. If you're a running back, you were going 1057 00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,080 Speaker 4: to Stanford. They were getting guys drafted in the first 1058 00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,080 Speaker 4: rounds all the time, and they almost changed their entire 1059 00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,520 Speaker 4: philosophy because it was ruining the APR when Christian McCaffrey 1060 00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,400 Speaker 4: and Solomon Thomas and Austin Hooper all went to the 1061 00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:32,360 Speaker 4: NFL but for graduating. And yet they haven't adjusted to 1062 00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:36,080 Speaker 4: this modern era. And so as somebody who's covered West 1063 00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:39,160 Speaker 4: Coast recruiting, and I know, you know Dan Harry comes, 1064 00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:40,839 Speaker 4: did you see oreent in ty too is a Notre 1065 00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:42,759 Speaker 4: Dame guy. But Stanford Notre Dame are going after a 1066 00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,239 Speaker 4: lot of those same guys in the Midwest and on 1067 00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:46,959 Speaker 4: the East coast, in the South, and they were going 1068 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,240 Speaker 4: to Stanford because Stanford was just a little bit better, 1069 00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,120 Speaker 4: and now they're not as a lot better. 1070 00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,560 Speaker 3: I want to ask about the state of the pipeline. 1071 00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,120 Speaker 3: That's been a big thing throughout the years, where some 1072 00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,240 Speaker 3: schools wouldn't even recruit certain high schools knowing that like, oh, 1073 00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,719 Speaker 3: he's from this high school, he is a blue chip guy, 1074 00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,879 Speaker 3: he's going to this school. But now as we've sort 1075 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,120 Speaker 3: of seen the nationalization of the sport, anybody can see 1076 00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:15,440 Speaker 3: any prospect. Anybody can trip anywhere unofficially or officially, you know, 1077 00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,040 Speaker 3: flights go into wherever you need to get to. And 1078 00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,000 Speaker 3: we see coaches that are coaching outside of their own 1079 00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,200 Speaker 3: background footprint. Right, you have Dan Lanning outside of you know, 1080 00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,160 Speaker 3: the South, and he's from Missouri, but Missouri is that 1081 00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,480 Speaker 3: how I say it? You know, he's at Georgia. Now 1082 00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,800 Speaker 3: he's in the Pacific Northwest. You have you know Sark 1083 00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,560 Speaker 3: from the West Coast is at Texas. You have Sharon 1084 00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:37,560 Speaker 3: Moore is from I want to say Kansas and played 1085 00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:39,920 Speaker 3: at Oklahoma. He's at Michigan. And so you have guys 1086 00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,719 Speaker 3: coaching out of footprint and forging new relationships out of footprint. 1087 00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:47,279 Speaker 3: But have these connections in their own background footprint. What 1088 00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:51,799 Speaker 3: is the state of no longer being automatically going from 1089 00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:52,759 Speaker 3: point eight to point B. 1090 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's funny because I think Oregon is the one 1091 00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,440 Speaker 4: that really kind of ruined the West coast pipeline that 1092 00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,279 Speaker 4: everybody thought it was. If you with to Modrow, he 1093 00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:01,800 Speaker 4: went to USC in Oregon. 1094 00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:01,920 Speaker 2: Haad. 1095 00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:03,840 Speaker 4: You can getting players from modern day going back to 1096 00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:07,000 Speaker 4: you know, Kevin Mitchell way back twenty twenty five years ago. 1097 00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:08,640 Speaker 2: But it was really like in the. 1098 00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,920 Speaker 4: Last five to seven years when you know the pipelines 1099 00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,680 Speaker 4: that you kind of expected those guys that were from 1100 00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:18,040 Speaker 4: you know, southern California to stay and go play at 1101 00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,000 Speaker 4: USC like they did under Peak Carroll, and they were 1102 00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:23,080 Speaker 4: going to the SEC and to the Midwest and. 1103 00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:23,879 Speaker 2: They're going to the Big Ten. 1104 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,080 Speaker 4: And you know the class where rehab the top three 1105 00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,479 Speaker 4: quarterbacks in the state of California went to Ohio State, 1106 00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,920 Speaker 4: They went to Clemson, and they went to Alabama. And 1107 00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,319 Speaker 4: you know, the kid that went to Alabama was an 1108 00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,960 Speaker 4: SC commit. It goes and he went to modern Day, 1109 00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,200 Speaker 4: which was an SC pipeline. He goes Alabama was a 1110 00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,680 Speaker 4: nationally when's a Heisman and it's pick number one. 1111 00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:42,959 Speaker 2: CJ. 1112 00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,040 Speaker 4: Shott, he would have been a natural second choice for 1113 00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,399 Speaker 4: for USC goes Ohio State as a top two pick. 1114 00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,200 Speaker 4: You know, DJ goes to Clemson and obviously his career 1115 00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:51,520 Speaker 4: hasn't quite gone as expected. 1116 00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,480 Speaker 2: But ten years ago that didn't happen. 1117 00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,120 Speaker 4: I mean, we working back to the twenty fifteen class 1118 00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,080 Speaker 4: where Josh Rosen and Ricky Towner are the top two 1119 00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:00,960 Speaker 4: of the top quarterbacks country and they went to the 1120 00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:05,000 Speaker 4: UCLA and USC respectively, and Sam Darnold's kind of a 1121 00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:08,120 Speaker 4: late bloomer and he stays at SC and everything changes. 1122 00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:10,520 Speaker 2: Well, now there's no such thing as a pipeline anymore. 1123 00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,520 Speaker 2: It's because it's a transient sport. You know. 1124 00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:17,759 Speaker 4: Now you're almost better off recruiting those guys and not 1125 00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:19,560 Speaker 4: pissing them off when they're in high school because you 1126 00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:21,160 Speaker 4: give a better chance to get them on the rebound 1127 00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,440 Speaker 4: than you do out of high school. They're going to 1128 00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,960 Speaker 4: go take their game across the country and then if 1129 00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,040 Speaker 4: it doesn't work out, then they can come back. 1130 00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:29,160 Speaker 2: Then you go get them. 1131 00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,400 Speaker 4: And I think back to you know, when Bru McCoy 1132 00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,680 Speaker 4: left Tennessee and he had it back at USC, or 1133 00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:38,000 Speaker 4: when Zach Charboney left Michigan and ended up ECLA. You 1134 00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,560 Speaker 4: can go recruit those guys the second time, just don't 1135 00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,799 Speaker 4: offend them the first time. But now these guys are 1136 00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,799 Speaker 4: wanting to leave their natural habitat and go across the 1137 00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,520 Speaker 4: country and go play on a bigger stage and go 1138 00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:53,480 Speaker 4: play in front of more fans and with bigger resources 1139 00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:57,440 Speaker 4: for NIL opportunities. And when you see guys from the 1140 00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,480 Speaker 4: West Coast going to Georgia and you know, doing Za 1141 00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:04,200 Speaker 4: Sbe's commercials like Brock Bauers or Bryce Young doing Doctor 1142 00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,880 Speaker 4: Pepper commercials, and you know, so many of these players 1143 00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:09,880 Speaker 4: feel like there's no need reason to stay in my 1144 00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,000 Speaker 4: backyard and I can go play in front of my friends. 1145 00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:12,880 Speaker 2: And now you've got schools. 1146 00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:14,719 Speaker 4: That part of the NIL is we're gonna fly your 1147 00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,160 Speaker 4: family of four to every game, give him a hotel, 1148 00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:18,719 Speaker 4: and they're gonna still be able to see you, but 1149 00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:20,600 Speaker 4: they're gonna see you with one hundred thousand people instead 1150 00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:24,120 Speaker 4: of maybe forty thousand in your respective regions. So I 1151 00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,360 Speaker 4: think the pipeline days are just done because the sport 1152 00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:32,200 Speaker 4: is transient, coaches are transient, and everything is available to 1153 00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:34,879 Speaker 4: be seen every weekend. Now instead of the old days 1154 00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,120 Speaker 4: were like it can only play in your footprint to 1155 00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:37,520 Speaker 4: be seen. 1156 00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:41,000 Speaker 3: So from this year's class, who is like who makes 1157 00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,640 Speaker 3: up your team of this never would have happened in 1158 00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:44,760 Speaker 3: two thousand and nine. 1159 00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:50,360 Speaker 4: I mean Keel and Russell, an elite in state. Texas 1160 00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,279 Speaker 4: kid is going to A and M or he's going 1161 00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,560 Speaker 4: to Texas and in two thousand and nine Matt Brown 1162 00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:55,719 Speaker 4: has that kid locked up. 1163 00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,399 Speaker 2: Well, no he doesn't because. 1164 00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,720 Speaker 4: Because it was twenty ten when everybody was a safety 1165 00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,880 Speaker 4: right back Brown. But he's more likely probably going you 1166 00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,560 Speaker 4: know Esmu probably doesn't even get a chance at him 1167 00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:11,919 Speaker 4: early on, but he's probably a Texas tech guy. Maybe 1168 00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,279 Speaker 4: he's gonna go play for Mike Leachs, or maybe he's 1169 00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,200 Speaker 4: going to go play you know, at A and M. 1170 00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,440 Speaker 4: But ten years ago, the number one player in Texas 1171 00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,960 Speaker 4: isn't looking at coming to Alabama. And part of that 1172 00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:25,959 Speaker 4: I firmly believe this. If Texas A and M doesn't 1173 00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,040 Speaker 4: leave for the SEC twelve years ago, those SEC schools 1174 00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,839 Speaker 4: don't really try to camp out in Texas. They're still 1175 00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,640 Speaker 4: focusing on Florida and Georgia, and I you can make 1176 00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,759 Speaker 4: a case that Texas A and M's departure from the 1177 00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:43,600 Speaker 4: Big Twelve to the SEC did more long term, big 1178 00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:48,560 Speaker 4: picture recruiting expansion than any other school leaving their conference, 1179 00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:52,360 Speaker 4: because once Texas became open to the SEC, then everybody 1180 00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,919 Speaker 4: started to try to recruit Texas heavier than they ever 1181 00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,600 Speaker 4: did before. And those Texas kids say, well, shoot, I 1182 00:53:57,640 --> 00:53:59,439 Speaker 4: don't need to stay here. I can go play a Maam, 1183 00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:01,480 Speaker 4: I can go play Georgia, I can play at Florida. 1184 00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:05,600 Speaker 4: You know, all of those things come into play now. 1185 00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:07,440 Speaker 4: But ten years ago that doesn't happen. 1186 00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, in Texas's quarterback of the future is not a 1187 00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:11,840 Speaker 3: Texas kid exactly. 1188 00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:17,080 Speaker 4: The funny thing is is that, you know, ten years ago, 1189 00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,160 Speaker 4: Les Miles probably gets arch Manning to stay in Stane 1190 00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,120 Speaker 4: or maybe he goes to Ole miss Right, you know. 1191 00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:26,640 Speaker 4: But but Sark, with his reputational quarterback development and Texas 1192 00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,879 Speaker 4: being a brand, well, they probably have a better chance 1193 00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:31,440 Speaker 4: to get in Nurse and you know they would have 1194 00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:32,120 Speaker 4: ten years ago. 1195 00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:34,880 Speaker 1: Brada, We've said a couple of times that we're recording 1196 00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:39,560 Speaker 1: this in advance of signing day. How much are you 1197 00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:42,680 Speaker 1: sitting on right now? How much do you know that's 1198 00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:44,080 Speaker 1: gonna happen? That the rest of us. 1199 00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,200 Speaker 3: Don't we get to see Brandon live. I'm gonna try 1200 00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,200 Speaker 3: to read his poker face here, all right, continue Brandon. 1201 00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:50,439 Speaker 2: There's a lot. 1202 00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,279 Speaker 4: And that's why I can't remember if I said it 1203 00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,440 Speaker 4: before we started recording, and I said at the beginning, 1204 00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,120 Speaker 4: if a guy doesn't sign on Wednesday, he might be 1205 00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:00,640 Speaker 4: signing on Friday, and it might not be with the 1206 00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:02,560 Speaker 4: school he's been committed to for a year and a half. 1207 00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:03,200 Speaker 2: And there's a. 1208 00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:09,000 Speaker 4: Reason because those negotiations are going until the long wee hours. 1209 00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:14,040 Speaker 4: And I think that you know, we're going to see 1210 00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:16,399 Speaker 4: we did a piece today. There's like fifty three top 1211 00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,160 Speaker 4: two four seven guys that they're. 1212 00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,320 Speaker 2: Committed, but they might not be committed. 1213 00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:21,799 Speaker 4: And there's still some things that could be happening in 1214 00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,040 Speaker 4: the last twenty four forty eight hours. 1215 00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,759 Speaker 2: And I think, ever, you know, more than ever, that 1216 00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,280 Speaker 2: is kind of where we're at in recruiting. 1217 00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:30,960 Speaker 4: That a king committed a year and a half ago, 1218 00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,840 Speaker 4: and you know now it's School's like, okay, he committed 1219 00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:35,160 Speaker 4: at school. 1220 00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:36,839 Speaker 2: Now we just know who we're recruiting. It gets now 1221 00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:38,440 Speaker 2: we knew who our tough competition. 1222 00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:40,960 Speaker 4: Like Dan said earlier, the market's been set, what do 1223 00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,040 Speaker 4: we need to do to surpass that market? 1224 00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,040 Speaker 2: So I'm sitting on a lot, all right. 1225 00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,640 Speaker 1: So Dan, this sum this ran longer than we thought, 1226 00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:52,160 Speaker 1: and we thought maybe this would be a good break point, 1227 00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:56,560 Speaker 1: especially since we're putting out at least three episodes this week, 1228 00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:01,359 Speaker 1: the Recap, the Spillover, Now, there's Signing Day show. We've 1229 00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,360 Speaker 1: got a preview episode coming tomorrow, just so you all 1230 00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:06,839 Speaker 1: have time to like fit all of the episodes in. 1231 00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,400 Speaker 1: There's only so much, Dan and Ti, there's only so 1232 00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:13,080 Speaker 1: much that you want. We get it. We're going to 1233 00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:16,080 Speaker 1: take the remaining twenty thirty minutes. We're going to drop 1234 00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,640 Speaker 1: it out on the Patreon feed for folks at verballers 1235 00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,520 Speaker 1: dot com. So if you're interested in hearing the full conversation, 1236 00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,160 Speaker 1: going out to verballers dot com, we'll see it, post 1237 00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:25,759 Speaker 1: it out there. You can download it, you can listen, 1238 00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,120 Speaker 1: you can hear the rest of our chat with Brandon. 1239 00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,360 Speaker 1: He's so generous with this time. I mean, as I 1240 00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:34,000 Speaker 1: said at the top, he's been one of our longest 1241 00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,319 Speaker 1: time guests here. We love having him on a couple 1242 00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,120 Speaker 1: times a year, and this just we really got into it. 1243 00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,840 Speaker 1: We really went for it on this episode, so, uh, 1244 00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:43,160 Speaker 1: that's where you can find the rest of it. 1245 00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:46,319 Speaker 3: I gotta say favorite part of the final part of 1246 00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:49,000 Speaker 3: this episode was you starting to ask him a question 1247 00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:51,759 Speaker 3: with you don't have to name names? Yeah, and then 1248 00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,000 Speaker 3: I jumped in and I said, Brandon, let's name some names. 1249 00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,520 Speaker 3: He did, Okay, any names? He did name names. He 1250 00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:58,279 Speaker 3: did name names. He did that for us. I love 1251 00:56:58,320 --> 00:56:59,880 Speaker 3: that question. 1252 00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:05,279 Speaker 1: How do we feel? How do you feel about this 1253 00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:09,360 Speaker 1: new era of recruiting? Has the addition of the portal 1254 00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:15,759 Speaker 1: and nil, all of these new fangled inventions, has it 1255 00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:20,200 Speaker 1: dampened your appreciation for all things recruiting? Has it made 1256 00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,520 Speaker 1: you less inclined to follow it? Where do you come 1257 00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:22,960 Speaker 1: down on that? 1258 00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:27,840 Speaker 3: Well, it's been a particularly good stretch for Oregon, so 1259 00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:32,120 Speaker 3: I've appreciated that from a personal fandom fandom perspective. 1260 00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:34,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, they finished top three last year. 1261 00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,480 Speaker 3: It looks like they'll finish top five ish this year, 1262 00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,840 Speaker 3: depending on how things break. We're recording this the day 1263 00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:43,840 Speaker 3: before national signed or the early signing day. So it's 1264 00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:47,600 Speaker 3: nice to pay a little bit less attention nationally to 1265 00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,880 Speaker 3: high school recruiting because it's been sort of deemed a 1266 00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,840 Speaker 3: little bit less important with the portal and so we 1267 00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,840 Speaker 3: don't seem to have the crazy hat ceremonies on sign 1268 00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:58,880 Speaker 3: to Day, which I kind of miss. But I also 1269 00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:02,200 Speaker 3: kind of am happy that I'm not following that as 1270 00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:05,680 Speaker 3: closely and watching the All American Game and seeing, you know, 1271 00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,480 Speaker 3: there is a spectacle to that that I've always kind 1272 00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,880 Speaker 3: of loved. But it is nice to sort of spread 1273 00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:15,360 Speaker 3: my attention and just like, Okay, what what has Like 1274 00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:19,920 Speaker 3: is it Pete Nacos Like like I'm just nacos, Like, 1275 00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,000 Speaker 3: let's see what he has to say on Twitter. Okay, 1276 00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:23,479 Speaker 3: So I don't know if he has like a term 1277 00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:26,200 Speaker 3: like a fong bomb for high school recruiting for like 1278 00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:31,600 Speaker 3: portal activity, like what would be like a transfer torpedo. 1279 00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:33,520 Speaker 1: That's just right off. You can have that, Pete. That's 1280 00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:33,800 Speaker 1: all you. 1281 00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:37,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, we need to cut, we need to workshop nakos. 1282 00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,080 Speaker 3: Yeah something, We'll come up with something and we'll give 1283 00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:40,680 Speaker 3: that to him. 1284 00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:44,720 Speaker 1: He's never been like something with napalm nacos. That's that's 1285 00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,240 Speaker 1: got a negative connotation, kind of dark. That's the kind 1286 00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:47,560 Speaker 1: of word. 1287 00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:51,320 Speaker 3: So uh well, at least with torpedo, Like I don't know, 1288 00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:57,040 Speaker 3: there's something like sandwiche about it. I appreciate that the 1289 00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,960 Speaker 3: sport has become so complicated that you can only be 1290 00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,840 Speaker 3: obsessed with the sport to understand what's going on. 1291 00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:05,040 Speaker 1: And I think that's where I come down on it, 1292 00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,760 Speaker 1: because you know this about me, and it's probably weird 1293 00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:10,440 Speaker 1: to admit this in public, given that we do a 1294 00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:13,440 Speaker 1: national college football podcast and have done so for what 1295 00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:17,120 Speaker 1: is it seventeen seasons now, something crazy. I've always held 1296 00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:20,000 Speaker 1: the high school recruiting thing at arms length. I just 1297 00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:21,640 Speaker 1: have never really been able to get into it. I 1298 00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:24,120 Speaker 1: understand it's importance, as I've said on this show many. 1299 00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:27,200 Speaker 3: Times, well you're older as I am. Well, but it's 1300 00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:28,840 Speaker 3: got nothing to do with that. It's got nothing to 1301 00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,600 Speaker 3: do with that. Recruiting is the lifeblood of this thing. 1302 00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:33,680 Speaker 3: If you're not getting in top talent, you're not building 1303 00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:36,520 Speaker 3: an Alabama and Ohio State or Georgia name any good team. 1304 00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:39,360 Speaker 1: It's just you need to have that as a building 1305 00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:41,520 Speaker 1: block in your program otherwise it's not going to fly. 1306 00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,080 Speaker 1: I've just always had a hard time keeping track of it. 1307 00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:47,520 Speaker 1: To your point, it's all American games and how kids 1308 00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:50,040 Speaker 1: are doing in high school and stuff like that. We're 1309 00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:53,560 Speaker 1: so focused on the bigger picture nationally, especially this time 1310 00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:56,000 Speaker 1: of year where we're talking about games a loo kind 1311 00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,440 Speaker 1: at stats and trying to figure out what the narrative 1312 00:59:58,480 --> 00:59:59,400 Speaker 1: is going to be from week to week. 1313 01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:03,960 Speaker 3: Underswitch definitely hurt how easy or difficult it is. Like 1314 01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:06,400 Speaker 3: it makes the national championship with like three or four 1315 01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:08,760 Speaker 3: weeks and be like, all right, what's going on with Clemson, 1316 01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:11,520 Speaker 3: what's going on with Stanford, what's going on with Michigan? 1317 01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:14,560 Speaker 3: State that that's a little easier, and in terms of 1318 01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:17,080 Speaker 3: how to handle things, sure, signing day was like February 1319 01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:20,200 Speaker 3: third or whatever. I So that side of it has 1320 01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:23,840 Speaker 3: always been something that I've had a love hate relationship with. 1321 01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:28,600 Speaker 3: I will say though, that now that we have introduced 1322 01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:34,760 Speaker 3: the transfer portal, now that we've introduced nil, the overlap 1323 01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:38,760 Speaker 3: in that ven diagram which makes coaches leaving coaches, it's 1324 01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:42,360 Speaker 3: about all, yeah, it's all gotten very, very complex, which 1325 01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:45,160 Speaker 3: to your point, only a sicko can follow all of it. 1326 01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:50,280 Speaker 3: I have found myself really gravitating towards the portal, and 1327 01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:53,280 Speaker 3: for as depressing as a note can be, especially if 1328 01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:55,840 Speaker 3: you're kind of a theater program, which a lot are 1329 01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,760 Speaker 3: these days. Oh man, but we're not talking about your 1330 01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,760 Speaker 3: school listener, we're talking about your rival school as a 1331 01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:02,640 Speaker 3: feeder program. 1332 01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:06,360 Speaker 1: That's exactly right. I just appreciate now that we have 1333 01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:12,280 Speaker 1: other things to consider, and the will they won't they 1334 01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:20,360 Speaker 1: transfer market is incredibly interesting to me. And the rumors 1335 01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:26,520 Speaker 1: that sort of persist even after the first transfer window closes. 1336 01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:30,000 Speaker 1: I mean, you just have all these odd circumstances that 1337 01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:33,880 Speaker 1: never would have been possible ten years ago, and now 1338 01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:35,680 Speaker 1: suddenly it's all out in the open. We can talk 1339 01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:38,880 Speaker 1: about this stuff, and the ability for players to move 1340 01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:42,480 Speaker 1: from one program to another not only gives them more freedom, 1341 01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:46,200 Speaker 1: which I support, but also makes the sport even more 1342 01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:47,960 Speaker 1: of a mess, which I think is what gives it 1343 01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:48,480 Speaker 1: its charm. 1344 01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:52,640 Speaker 3: I'm also here for okay with the portal, with recruiting, 1345 01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:58,360 Speaker 3: with nil that we are staring at regulation and revenue 1346 01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:01,000 Speaker 3: sharing like it's going to become more organized one way 1347 01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:04,400 Speaker 3: or the other, which only means one thing that everybody's 1348 01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,200 Speaker 3: gonna find a new loophole that's right to figure things out. 1349 01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:09,880 Speaker 3: You're right, I can't wait. I can't wait for that loophole. 1350 01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:11,880 Speaker 3: Do I root for a coach who intentionally put a 1351 01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:15,400 Speaker 3: twelfth man on the field in the biggest regular season game. Yeah, 1352 01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:16,439 Speaker 3: I absolutely do. 1353 01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:21,760 Speaker 1: Is there anything better in this life than finding the 1354 01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,560 Speaker 1: loophole and exploiting it? And I'm not talking in an 1355 01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:30,360 Speaker 1: illegal way. Sure, finding that loophole, exploiting it, feeling like 1356 01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:32,720 Speaker 1: the smartest person in the room for you very try 1357 01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:36,640 Speaker 1: a very finite period of time. Yeah, I am here 1358 01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:38,280 Speaker 1: for that. I have all here for that. 1359 01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:42,640 Speaker 3: I appreciate it, and I appreciate it especially from players. 1360 01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:46,000 Speaker 3: And you talk about player movement. If you think it's 1361 01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:49,200 Speaker 3: a bummer, I am totally with you. I totally understand 1362 01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:52,280 Speaker 3: that perspective that it's become more difficult to keep track 1363 01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:54,880 Speaker 3: of it's become more difficult to be loyal to a 1364 01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:58,000 Speaker 3: roster as a fan because they might be gone in 1365 01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:00,560 Speaker 3: a year. That's fine, that's a totally good con I'm 1366 01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:05,200 Speaker 3: great with that. But seeing players move around that weren't 1367 01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:07,680 Speaker 3: getting playing time, or were promised to bill a goods 1368 01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:09,760 Speaker 3: that they didn't get, or have the coach who recruited 1369 01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:12,480 Speaker 3: them immediately leave after signing day, like those are all 1370 01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:16,000 Speaker 3: things that I understand why players should feel good about 1371 01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:18,320 Speaker 3: the ability to move and maximize their value whatever. And 1372 01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:22,440 Speaker 3: that's a whole other conversation. But the other thing I 1373 01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:26,400 Speaker 3: enjoy about college So the thing I enjoy most about 1374 01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:29,120 Speaker 3: college football is the college football is the on field 1375 01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:31,960 Speaker 3: activity and all that. The thing that I enjoy about 1376 01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,360 Speaker 3: December and to a lesser extent January, and I guess 1377 01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:38,560 Speaker 3: after spring as well, is it doesn't professionalize the sport, 1378 01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:40,880 Speaker 3: but it adds that element of, like if you're a 1379 01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:43,000 Speaker 3: fan of the Houston Rockets or the Timberwolves, of the 1380 01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:48,080 Speaker 3: Sacramento Kings, or the Washington Nationals or whatever, you know 1381 01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:50,760 Speaker 3: going into an off season, like we need a bullpen, 1382 01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:55,000 Speaker 3: or we need length on the wing, we need stoppers 1383 01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:57,560 Speaker 3: in the low post, we need we need a lot 1384 01:03:57,600 --> 01:03:58,160 Speaker 3: more shooting. 1385 01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:01,160 Speaker 1: And it's very, very fit to compare this on some 1386 01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:03,640 Speaker 1: level to the NBA because there is this feel of 1387 01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:07,400 Speaker 1: when the portal opens NBA Free Agency, it's when they 1388 01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:09,560 Speaker 1: turn off the power grid and Ghostbusters and all the 1389 01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:12,520 Speaker 1: ghosts get out and it's just pure chaos for some 1390 01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:15,640 Speaker 1: period of time. That is what this is. And I 1391 01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:18,760 Speaker 1: think for as exciting as signing Day has been in 1392 01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:22,520 Speaker 1: the past, nothing ever compared to this. This is just 1393 01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:26,520 Speaker 1: like a completely different class of chaos that is very 1394 01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:29,400 Speaker 1: very own brand for college football. That's why I love it. 1395 01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:33,360 Speaker 3: It allows us all to enter the phase of being 1396 01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:37,040 Speaker 3: ready to be hurt again once again. Indeed does that 1397 01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:39,600 Speaker 3: Oh we have a tackle from Alabama. Oh, we've got 1398 01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:43,000 Speaker 3: this receiver from FIU. Oh we have this linebacker from 1399 01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:45,840 Speaker 3: Rhode Island. He's got a lot of big things are 1400 01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:46,360 Speaker 3: being said up. 1401 01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:46,920 Speaker 2: You have a lot. 1402 01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:48,720 Speaker 1: You have a tackle from Rhode Island. 1403 01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:51,400 Speaker 3: I have a I do I Oregon has a tackle 1404 01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:52,160 Speaker 3: from Rhode Island. 1405 01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:53,160 Speaker 1: But close enough. 1406 01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:57,600 Speaker 3: Like you fell in love with Minnesota's quarterback based on 1407 01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:00,919 Speaker 3: the fact that it would be a great store if 1408 01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:03,160 Speaker 3: he were like an all big ten quarterback. He wasn't, 1409 01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:06,560 Speaker 3: but you had the hope. That's the hope that kills you. Yeah, 1410 01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:09,200 Speaker 3: it's the hope that kills you. But that's what this 1411 01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:12,880 Speaker 3: sport is. And so I'm speaking out of both sides 1412 01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:14,920 Speaker 3: of my mouth, where Like, I understand why this is 1413 01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:19,320 Speaker 3: disorienting and discouraging for a lot of people, as national fans, 1414 01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:23,320 Speaker 3: as specific fans. But if you can take a step 1415 01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:26,920 Speaker 3: back and appreciate some chaos and anarchy and be a 1416 01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:30,520 Speaker 3: little bit nihilistic, I guess with nothing even matters. Yeah, 1417 01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:34,280 Speaker 3: it's pretty entertaining, it's pretty fun, it is it is 1418 01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:34,920 Speaker 3: all right. 1419 01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:38,439 Speaker 1: Big thanks to our guest of honor today. His name 1420 01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:43,280 Speaker 1: is Brandon Huffman. We appreciate his time, his wisdom. As ever, 1421 01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,400 Speaker 1: for those of you that are listening on the public feed, 1422 01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:48,560 Speaker 1: as we said a few minutes ago, we're going to 1423 01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:51,960 Speaker 1: continue the conversation. We'll run the rest of it out 1424 01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:55,240 Speaker 1: on our Patreon at Verbaalers dot com. We're gonna be 1425 01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:58,480 Speaker 1: previewing games on Thursday. We've got nine big ones left 1426 01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:01,920 Speaker 1: to go. After that, we've got another episode forthcoming where 1427 01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:04,080 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about the playoffs and react to that. 1428 01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:06,760 Speaker 1: Everybody's going to be reacting to that at the same time. 1429 01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:09,440 Speaker 1: We're going to be part of that as well. Don't forget. 1430 01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:12,680 Speaker 1: We've also got a stream planned as part of the 1431 01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:16,480 Speaker 1: festivities this coming Saturday night. Because it's your alma mater, 1432 01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:18,760 Speaker 1: the Oregon Ducts against my alma monitor, the Penn State 1433 01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:21,360 Speaker 1: in any minds, we're working up something a little special 1434 01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:24,040 Speaker 1: for that, So more to come on that front. Meltie Hair, though, 1435 01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:25,720 Speaker 1: will point you to where you need to end, a 1436 01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:27,360 Speaker 1: point where you need to be, Yeah, point where you 1437 01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:31,520 Speaker 1: need to be. Smell Ties Hair, very very busy couple 1438 01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:34,320 Speaker 1: days here in the verballer hood. Appreciate you being with us. 1439 01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:37,360 Speaker 1: Hit follow, hit subscribe again. Going out to verbowlers dot 1440 01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:39,400 Speaker 1: com for the sport the Show, for that guy ouver there, 1441 01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:42,560 Speaker 1: Dan Rubinstein, for myself, Ty Hildon Brandt. Thanks again. 1442 01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:44,440 Speaker 2: We'll talk to you s. Stay solid, peace,