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Speaker 5: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 2: Oh we're here, geez, I'm so used to something going

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Speaker 2: on after that.

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Speaker 1: Sorry.

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Speaker 2: Faith Matt's still sick. Matt Morrell is on death's doorstep.

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Speaker 2: Otherwise he'd be here. Not literally, No, of course, I

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Speaker 2: wouldn't say it an true, but yeah, Faith is back

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Speaker 2: in the booth. We have we do have faith. You

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Speaker 2: gotta have faith. Yeah, Faith, it's Deuce, it's alex Evan.

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Speaker 2: Will be here after mister Zappi finishes his press conference.

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Speaker 2: Paul is cheating on us. He sure is, he's on that.

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Speaker 2: Others he's on one of his stations spewing his hot

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Speaker 2: takes nothing sadder than the holiday fill in host I'm

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Speaker 2: telling you not for Paul. He loves it. You know,

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Speaker 2: twenty minutes into every show, it's okay, favorite Christmas movie,

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Speaker 2: and then once Christmas is over, it's like, you know,

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Speaker 2: is New Year's an overrated holiday? Oh? Man, I think

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Speaker 2: it is?

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Speaker 5: But are We're not gonna We're not doing that.

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Speaker 2: That's for those that don't have any new.

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Speaker 4: To talk before we get tu into it. Can you

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Speaker 4: guys hear me?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't hear myself.

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Speaker 6: So okay, nothing, all right, we'll just go with it.

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Speaker 2: We can hear you.

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Speaker 5: It's gonna be like the old Zoom shows when we

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Speaker 5: had to do him like remotely and you can never

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Speaker 5: hear yourself talking, and you would like try to say

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Speaker 5: jokes and it like did I did? I fall completely flat?

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Speaker 5: No one's even responding.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, the reason I like.

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Speaker 6: It is because it's it's harder to talk over each

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Speaker 6: each other when you can hear yourself and everyone in

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Interesting, Yeah, well that was why the the shows on

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Speaker 5: Zoom We're probably were all coming, you know, talking on

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Speaker 5: each other.

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Speaker 2: Oh, we have to worry. Paul's not here today. That's right.

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Speaker 5: We're not going to yell at us for doing things wrong,

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Speaker 5: saying wrong things.

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Speaker 2: So much more subdued when he's on like one of

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Speaker 2: his shows. Oh yeah, you know, he's like mister professional.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's like Paul yourself.

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Speaker 5: Who is this guy?

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Speaker 5: No, he's he's great. I'm sure he's having fun. This

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Speaker 5: is where this is where he gets all his recognition from.

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Speaker 5: Sobey's out and about and you know, the fans of

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Speaker 5: Paul Perilla come up. I mean, those are my favorite

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Speaker 2: I like the ones that Paul you're You're not that old.

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Speaker 2: You seem older, unfiltered.

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Speaker 5: Grumpy ole man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like you know, today, Bill said in three Brady

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Speaker 5: Right, and I got a look which one and he.

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Speaker 5: He's just tough, yeah, and he can physically just take

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Speaker 5: run exactly. And those are the two biggest things. I mean,

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Speaker 5: And the Patriot's gonna be I think.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be great. Not that the Patriots need

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Speaker 5: It's it's still the most reliable connection I think in

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Speaker 5: seems like they're doing better since they've moved to Joe

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Speaker 2: Win over Buffalo, win Buffalo, well, they're fighting for their lives. Oh,

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Speaker 5: It's like, I mean, maybe, yeah, yeah, the team no

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Speaker 2: And the Bills have a coach who uh they you know,

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Speaker 2: they haven't been losing like the Patriots, but he's on

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Speaker 2: of McDermott. Yeah, and there were prior to them starting

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Speaker 5: Yeah, not just with the coach.

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Speaker 6: I think the whole team is gonna definitely face some wrinkles,

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Speaker 6: digs especially and just the person like the egos, how

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Speaker 6: it all plays out, Yeah, definitely would be interesting. But

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Speaker 6: it's just so hard to be a team twice within

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Speaker 6: the same season, especially when like we stole that.

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Speaker 5: Game from the Bills, except for like the twenty years

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Speaker 5: we did it to Buffalo Premier right, that was like

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Speaker 5: totally special, crazy situation.

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Speaker 2: But back then there were only a few seasons where

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Speaker 2: they were six and oh in the division. Now they are.

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Speaker 2: I mean Miami was always lost a game in the division.

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Speaker 2: It's hard to beat your division, you know, to go

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Speaker 2: to sweep your division.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the Buffalo got them I think in twelve maybe

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Speaker 5: I mean, she'sus, it's I mean, everything's just more impressive

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Speaker 5: now in hindsight of just the continued dominance over these teams.

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Speaker 5: And we talked about, you know now being a you know,

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Speaker 5: a fourth place team in the AFC. So let's call

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Speaker 5: it what it is like, you know, how do you

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Speaker 5: catch up? How do you know? And you can see

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Speaker 2: And it's a tough crop this year. Yeah, some good names,

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Speaker 2: He was the perfect guy for Bill, you know, just

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Speaker 5: Not to say he's on the Rodney Harrison path, but

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, we broke Russell because he's because he's hurt.

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Speaker 6: Stitty, because they don't want to get him hurt their

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Speaker 2: I mean, as bad as you know Paul might think.

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Speaker 5: you know, paying those guys. What are you going to

437
00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:46,919
Speaker 5: pay him? What's the role going to be?

438
00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:47,960
Speaker 2: And I don't know.

439
00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,040
Speaker 5: After yesterday's talk though, I'm still kind of curious what

440
00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,600
Speaker 5: happens with Mac Jones. Yeah, Like do they keep them

441
00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,040
Speaker 5: to they you know, let him compete. Do they have

442
00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:56,479
Speaker 5: to get him out? You know, do they give him

443
00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:58,080
Speaker 5: a fresh chance? Does Mac want to get it? You know,

444
00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,800
Speaker 5: does Mac kind of ask for trade? You know, I

445
00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:02,400
Speaker 5: think that's possible too.

446
00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,439
Speaker 2: You Know, It's funny because when Lamar Jackson came in

447
00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:08,800
Speaker 2: the league, he can't last. He's you know, that's style court.

448
00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:10,600
Speaker 2: He's going to get hurt all the time. Now when

449
00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,080
Speaker 2: you look at the league, he's like last other than

450
00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:16,160
Speaker 2: Josh Allen, He's like the last man standing in terms

451
00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,240
Speaker 2: of like hell right, you know, for the top tier quarterbacks,

452
00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:19,639
Speaker 2: I mean, you.

453
00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:23,080
Speaker 5: Know, and then Joe Burrow, who everybody he's hurt the second.

454
00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,960
Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence is hurt. Now Holmes, he's not hurt, but

455
00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,200
Speaker 2: his feelings are hurt, you know, like all the other

456
00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:31,480
Speaker 2: top quarterbacks are hurting.

457
00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,800
Speaker 5: Did you see that picture of Brittany Mahomes and uh

458
00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:36,399
Speaker 5: and Taylor Swift at the end of the game, like

459
00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,040
Speaker 5: Taylor Swift's kind of like consoling Brittany Mahomes and both

460
00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:41,639
Speaker 5: just like like horrified, Like I don't know, I just

461
00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:45,160
Speaker 5: I'm waiting with baited breath for the turning of the

462
00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,320
Speaker 5: Swifties against the Chiefs fans and the Chiefs fans against.

463
00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:49,080
Speaker 2: The swift happening.

464
00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:54,600
Speaker 6: You know, stats that were like since they started dating,

465
00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,480
Speaker 6: the Chiefs have this losing record and it's like they've

466
00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:58,440
Speaker 6: been dating all season.

467
00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:01,840
Speaker 5: Well, we saw it with with Tom and Gizelle and

468
00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:03,720
Speaker 5: that was you know, a big part of that ten

469
00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:05,639
Speaker 5: year gap was I think he met her in like

470
00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,320
Speaker 5: six and you know that was a big thing with

471
00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,280
Speaker 5: and then it was you know, he can't throw the ball,

472
00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:12,919
Speaker 5: and it was just you know, if you don't like

473
00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,000
Speaker 5: that team, it's just the gift that keeps on giving

474
00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:16,520
Speaker 5: because you just get you know, you have someone in

475
00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:18,840
Speaker 5: the spotlight to continue to kind of throw in there.

476
00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,080
Speaker 2: All right, Well, with Paul out here, we have a

477
00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:25,440
Speaker 2: lot more time to talk because get some thoughts off

478
00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:30,080
Speaker 2: and oxygen to breathe too. But let's go to the phones.

479
00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:34,200
Speaker 2: The A stick and hutline will start with Jeremy in Saskatchewan. Oh,

480
00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,040
Speaker 2: Jeremy Canada. You can't be on home for more than

481
00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,919
Speaker 2: eight minutes and they shut you off. So apparently, so

482
00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,200
Speaker 2: let's go to Colleen in Houston. What's up, Colleen?

483
00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:47,640
Speaker 1: Hey guys, Hey, hey.

484
00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:54,360
Speaker 7: Love you love you love the show. So I'm homesick

485
00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:58,440
Speaker 7: right now. So I'm feeling a little sentimental and remembering

486
00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,680
Speaker 7: in twenty nineteen we knew it be Brady's last season

487
00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:07,639
Speaker 7: and he was just grumpy in every single press conference,

488
00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:13,520
Speaker 7: and this is probably Belichick's last season, and he's not

489
00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:17,520
Speaker 7: that grumpy. And so I'm just wondering if you guys

490
00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:23,320
Speaker 7: are feeling nostalgic like me, like just appreciating everything he's

491
00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:29,000
Speaker 7: given to us and when he's a little fun sometimes.

492
00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:35,440
Speaker 7: And also just side note, Travis Kelsey's play being blamed

493
00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:37,920
Speaker 7: on Taylor Swift is ridiculous.

494
00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:42,440
Speaker 2: Anyway, that's it, all right, Thanks Colleen. It's an interesting

495
00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:46,280
Speaker 2: You know, Brady was the most depressed eight and no

496
00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,560
Speaker 2: quarterback ever that season because he kind of knew what

497
00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:53,040
Speaker 2: was coming down the line and he was taking it personally,

498
00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:58,760
Speaker 2: you know, like this team isn't respecting me in many

499
00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:05,200
Speaker 2: different ways, you know, contract players around me and despite

500
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,199
Speaker 2: them being eight, no, he knew it was kind of

501
00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:08,240
Speaker 2: smoking mirrors.

502
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,200
Speaker 5: So you know, it's a really good contrasts.

503
00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and so and he showed it, he

504
00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:17,040
Speaker 2: wore it on his sleeve, whereas Bill, you know, could

505
00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 2: maybe thinking the same thing, where you know, the Crafts

506
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,280
Speaker 2: don't respect me, you know the fact that they're not

507
00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,679
Speaker 2: backing me up in public or anything like that. But

508
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:30,160
Speaker 2: I don't think that. Obviously, he doesn't have the same

509
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,920
Speaker 2: type of outward emotion that Brady does. He's, like you said, dude,

510
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,480
Speaker 2: he can compartmentalize. And I also think, and I said

511
00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,960
Speaker 2: it a couple of weeks ago, if I'm Bill Belichick,

512
00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,720
Speaker 2: I'm kind of excited about the future. You know, I'm

513
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,960
Speaker 2: seventy I'm seventy two. I'm for seventy two. I think

514
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,439
Speaker 2: he's in good health. You know, physically, he can do

515
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,800
Speaker 2: whatever he wants. If he wants to coach a team,

516
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:54,200
Speaker 2: he can do that. If he wants to go into

517
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,520
Speaker 2: broadcasting and do that and go coach lacrosse, he can

518
00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,960
Speaker 2: do whatever. Like the world's is always you know, so

519
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,199
Speaker 2: I'd be kind of excited if five with him. On

520
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,280
Speaker 2: the other hand, like you know, the Patriots that was,

521
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 2: you know, a big history that he has here that

522
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:14,639
Speaker 2: you know might be ending. But knowing you know, the

523
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,920
Speaker 2: way Bill operates, he can compartmentalize that and not show

524
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 2: it like Brady did.

525
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,959
Speaker 5: Especially talking to the media who were all actively, you know,

526
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,359
Speaker 5: reporting that he's out for all we.

527
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,879
Speaker 2: Know, Belichick wants to get out of here just as

528
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 2: much as Brady did. Yeah, but he's not going to

529
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 2: show it like Brady showed it.

530
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 5: That's a really really good contrast. I mean I kind

531
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:35,880
Speaker 5: of felt that when he did the Hall of Fame

532
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 5: induction and he was talking about Dante and that really

533
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,800
Speaker 5: funny bit, and you know, you realize how how charming

534
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:42,639
Speaker 5: and entertaining he can be. He was great on the

535
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,200
Speaker 5: Top one hundred NFL show that he was nominated for

536
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 5: an Emmy four, And.

537
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:49,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel it a little bit too.

538
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,399
Speaker 5: I you know, I just I don't know how you know,

539
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 5: there's there's a lot of anger towards him right now,

540
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,879
Speaker 5: but like we as fans have to compartmentalize.

541
00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 2: I can't say that word.

542
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,919
Speaker 5: I've never been able to say it, you know. But

543
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 5: also just appreciating him. And you know, it doesn't necessarily

544
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,399
Speaker 5: mean that, you know, no one's trying to say that

545
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,199
Speaker 5: all the Super Bowls were all because of him, but

546
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,160
Speaker 5: he sure played a part in it. And I think

547
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 5: it's worth illustrating the struggles of some of these teams, Like,

548
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 5: you know, look at Kansas City right now. I mean,

549
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 5: I think a couple of years ago, we were all

550
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 5: just ready, well, okay, Kansas City is going to be.

551
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 2: A dynasty for a while. They're gonna win a bunch

552
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 2: of games.

553
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 5: But it's really hard. And as much as you know,

554
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,159
Speaker 5: people want to give Tom every last bit of credit

555
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 5: for it, Bill put those teams together and you know they, yeah,

556
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 5: they had some warts, but they were able to overcome them.

557
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 5: And it's you know, even when you have a great coach,

558
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 5: you know, we want to dub Andy Reid now he's

559
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 5: the greatest coach of all time. Like it's it's really

560
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 5: hard to sustain success and I'm sorry, like it's not

561
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,920
Speaker 5: going to happen like that again. And unless you want

562
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,719
Speaker 5: to say that Tom Brady is just so much better

563
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 5: than Peyton Manning, than Patrick Mahomes, then all these other

564
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 5: quarterbacks who are great, you have to give some credit

565
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 5: elsewhere for why it lasted for as long as it did,

566
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 5: unless you want to just say that Tom Brady is

567
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 5: absolutely head, shoulder, waist knees above everybody else, that it

568
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 5: was all him for twenty years. Like it's hard to

569
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 5: cycle those and when you're.

570
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 2: In charge of everything, people you know that don't work

571
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 2: on the inside like us think it's coaching, it's scouting,

572
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 2: it's drafting, you know, personnel stuff. But there's so much

573
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 2: more to running a football organization. Everything from you know,

574
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 2: how do my assistant coaches get their film after the game?

575
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:24,120
Speaker 2: To travel arrangements. You know, not that Bill's making him,

576
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 2: but he's he has to make sure that all of

577
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 2: that stuff is who's my equipment manager? How do I

578
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 2: handle how do I handle equipment? How do I handle

579
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:38,199
Speaker 2: training and rehab and all that stuff. You know. A

580
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 2: good example is when Brady was here and Alex Carrera

581
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 2: all of a sudden popped on the scene and as

582
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 2: you know, the TB twelve brand started, you know, gaining traction.

583
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 2: Brady was recruiting guys, Hey, come on up to my facility,

584
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 2: and they were getting you know, advice that was counter

585
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 2: to what the Patriots strength and conditioning people were get

586
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 2: and that's not good. And Bill had to step in there.

587
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 2: You know that, No, you can't do that anymore. You know,

588
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 2: our guys are telling him to do this. This is

589
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 2: what they need, this is what they have to do.

590
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 2: And again that goes into the whole thing of when

591
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 2: you're the GM of everything, when you're bizarre of everything,

592
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 2: all those little details have to be paid attention to.

593
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 2: And it's hard for one guy, but Bill did it

594
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 2: for you know, twenty three years.

595
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 5: I mean just entirely different teams that they won with

596
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 5: other than you know, Tom, everybody else was pretty much

597
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 5: different than.

598
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 6: That's probably one of the hardest things is just managing

599
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 6: all these different personalities, these egos and kind of just

600
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 6: keeping them in check to maintain the culture that you

601
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 6: had here that was team first.

602
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 4: It's not individual success here. And I mean we're seeing

603
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,360
Speaker 4: it with the Chiefs, we see it with the Bills.

604
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 6: These windows are just like they're starting to close and

605
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 6: you see drama play out. And we had a lot

606
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 6: of leaks this year and this was but it was

607
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 6: so abnormal.

608
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and and people think, oh, when you winning, it's easy. No,

609
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,159
Speaker 2: it isn't. No, it's a different type of heart. You know,

610
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 2: you win that Super Bowl and all of a sudden,

611
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 2: guys get entitled and they got their hands out. And

612
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 2: it's not just the players, it's the coaches. It's the staff,

613
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 2: the support staff that you know, where's mine? You know,

614
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 2: I now I've got a Super Bowl. I'm gonna move on.

615
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 2: I'm gonna you know, coaches get better jobs.

616
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 1: You know.

617
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 2: It's there's a lot of things that make it complicated

618
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 2: when you win like they did. That makes it really

619
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 2: hard to keep it together. And that's why really good

620
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 2: teams haven't been able to do that.

621
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's why I wish I could remember. It was

622
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 5: sometime in the last year. I think it might have

623
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 5: been at the combine when Josh McDaniels was interviewed and

624
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 5: he talked a little bit more in detail about when

625
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 5: he came back, you know, after in the Indie debacle,

626
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 5: when he came back and was like, Bill's gonna open

627
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 5: his world to you. But I forget exactly, but it

628
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 5: was kind of like what you said, but he was

629
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 5: pointing out even more minutia that the head coach has

630
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 5: to decide and just to figure out. And those were

631
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 5: the things that you know, Josh was embracing. I don't

632
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 5: know how much good at did him, unfortunately, but but that,

633
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 5: you know, that was what was striking to me, all

634
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 5: the details that that you know you have a hand

635
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 5: in and you know, ultimately it's it's I've said it

636
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 5: a hundred times on the show, but I mean, in

637
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 5: my one season of coaching club hockey, like it's hard

638
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 5: to get a bunch of people to play together the

639
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 5: way you want and to play you know, in the

640
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 5: biggest moments and deliver, and it's just such a challenge.

641
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 5: And again, like I have to put all these disclaimers

642
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 5: out because I can probably hear people listening to this.

643
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 5: How dare he.

644
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 2: Give Bill like nice flowers? Like you know, but he's

645
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 2: he's a good coach.

646
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 5: I'm I don't know what the percentages of how much

647
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 5: he's responsible for these ones.

648
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 2: He's responsible. He has flaws. He has flaws you know,

649
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 2: how we how and why he chooses certain players and

650
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 2: you know, uh that's and and how he plays them

651
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 2: and how he treats them and and but when you

652
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 2: add it up, there's nobody better overall, you know.

653
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 5: I mean, and it's you know, to nerd out a

654
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 5: little bit, and and Evyan was there too on Friday.

655
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 2: You know, Bill just went in, like he was.

656
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 5: Asked by Kevin Stone from the New England Football Journal

657
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 5: just about his coached in Denver. I think at seventy

658
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 5: seven it turned into us, yeah, and then it turned

659
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 5: into like, you know how he kind of made his

660
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 5: three four defense and like these are me personally, Like

661
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 5: these are the things I love. I love defensive talk

662
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 5: and scheme and you know, the evolution of the different

663
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 5: defenses and the techniques that they use and stuff, and

664
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 5: so you know, it's just there's no the like when

665
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 5: he's talking like that, like there's no one else in

666
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 5: the football universe I would rather be listening to telling

667
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 5: you all about the history and the evolution of how

668
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 5: things came about. So, you know, I still have a

669
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 5: ton of respect for him, and you know, it's unfortunate

670
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 5: what's going to happen here, maybe in the off season,

671
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 5: and I just hope it's you know, we're able to

672
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 5: come to just an understanding with you know, the fans

673
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 5: out there who are frustrated with the team, and we're

674
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 5: frustrated too. But at the same time, once we get

675
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 5: past this, we can we'll be able to all say, hey,

676
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 5: we were really lucky to have that guy, and it

677
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 5: was an awesome run, and uh, you know, we're glad

678
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 5: that he's ours and that he's a patriot.

679
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 2: Patty's an ago on what's that Patty?

680
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 8: Good afternoon everyone.

681
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: He met a new year.

682
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 8: I wanted to go over a couple of things. I'll

683
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 8: give Bills flowers too. I mean, I kind of I

684
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 8: think it's time for him to move on, But you

685
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 8: know what, what he did for this organization is definitely

686
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 8: not lost on me. And I you know what, I

687
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 8: if he's not done coaching, I hope he goes somewhere

688
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 8: where he can succeed and for at least break the record.

689
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 8: It's not when you know, maybe it's a championship because

690
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 8: I don't hate the guy, you know, I love I

691
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 8: love what he did. And just a couple more quick things.

692
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 8: Rodney Harrison absolutely belongs in the NFL Hall of Fame.

693
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 8: I've been saying it for years. I drew the correlation

694
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 8: of when Aneas Williams went in went into the Hall

695
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 8: before Ty Law, like I can't believe Brian Dawkins is

696
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 8: and and Rodney Harrison isn't not not Brian Dawkins, but

697
00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 8: I'm sorry that era. It was Ed Palabalu and Roddy

698
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 8: Harrison and everyone else behind those guys, and I'm I'm

699
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 8: one of the guys. I'd like to see Zappy return

700
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,479
Speaker 8: next year because I really think he showed be something.

701
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 8: You know, I'm not banking on him to be the

702
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 8: starter to win the starting job, but I mean you

703
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 8: look at what he did when Trent Brown went out

704
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 8: of the game, and I mean he he just he

705
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 8: he has something. He has a little bit of Maaxi

706
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 8: and he can move around and doesn't look scared like

707
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 8: he's gonna poop his hands, like like Max did you know?

708
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 2: Well, it'd be interesting if and thanks for the call, Patty, uh,

709
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 2: if somehow he wins the last two games, Zappy, if

710
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 2: you know the Patriots get any calls of teams that

711
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 2: are interested in him, yeah, you know, oh we should

712
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 2: be interested. I mean I think yeah, But I mean, like,

713
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 2: let's just say the Patriots have other designs. You know,

714
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 2: if they win the last two games, they're probably gonna

715
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 2: be down to like oh god, no, Well, let's say

716
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 2: they have an idea of who they're going to get

717
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 2: for quarterback. And it's not Zap. I wonder if they'd

718
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 2: be open to, you know, trading.

719
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,479
Speaker 5: And that's just like what's hard for me with with

720
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 5: how much work needs to be done on this team,

721
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 5: and it's just it's hard to you know, bang the

722
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 5: table to invest in things that you know probably aren't

723
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 5: gonna matter when this team is good again. And so

724
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 5: you know, I just I would want to be very

725
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 5: careful about what I did at the quarterback position. I wouldn't,

726
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 5: you know, I want to set the table for that person,

727
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 5: you know, who's going to be the eventual starter. But

728
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 5: I don't want to. You know, they've got a lot

729
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 5: of money tied up in receivers that probably are a

730
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 5: little bit overpaid right now. I think you need to,

731
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 5: you know, reassess that you need to. I mean, you

732
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 5: have no tight ends next year on the roster, you

733
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 5: have no tackles, so those are important positions. I mean

734
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 5: tackle tackles hard. I mean I was talking to Evan

735
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 5: about it. I'm sure when he gets here we can

736
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 5: we can chat about it. But I know there are

737
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 5: people out there that just don't care and they'll be like, hey,

738
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 5: just find a tackle, throw them in there. But I

739
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 5: think this season's illustrated that, look, they need at least

740
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 5: one really good tackle and it's hard to say how

741
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 5: they could even do that in free agency. So you know,

742
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 5: it's there's a lot of pieces to be made and

743
00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 5: hopefully they can put it together. And you know, another

744
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 5: thing I was talking Evan about was just you have

745
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 5: this like innate confidence when you had Dante Scarnekia and

746
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 5: you know, some of the coaches that have been here forever,

747
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 5: and you know, you just said, hey, even if we

748
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 5: can't get a blue chip guy, we believe our coaching

749
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 5: staff can coach them up to a level that that

750
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 5: will be enough to be to be competitive and to

751
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 5: have a you know, top top ten, top fifteen offense.

752
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 5: But I just don't think we have that confidence right now,

753
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 5: whether it's this current staff coming back or if it's

754
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 5: the next staff. I mean, you know, with with Adrian

755
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 5: Clem going out, the tumultuous nature of the offensive line

756
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 5: has continued, and you know, go back to when Dante left.

757
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 5: I mean it's it's it's been a rotating bunch of

758
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 5: coaches there and now it was like you thought you

759
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 5: had stability this year, and now Adrian Clem is out,

760
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 5: and you have you know, now you're on to Billy

761
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,959
Speaker 5: Yates really, so it's there just has been no continuity

762
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 5: along that offensive line coaching since Dante left. And I

763
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 5: think that that's, you know, part of the problem too.

764
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 5: Even if Adrian Clem was able to be here for

765
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 5: a full season and you know, get things under you know,

766
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 5: into his liking, that you probably start to see some progress.

767
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 5: But I think it's been challenge.

768
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 2: Evan is coming in, he then has returned from Evan

769
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 2: is back from Zach. Evan and he's back from Zach.

770
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 5: What's that say, Fisher Hunt, Yes, sir, yes, ma'am.

771
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 2: So just before we get to Evan, Alex mentioned that

772
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 2: the Broncos are benching Wilson Andrew and La writes in

773
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 2: this is per report of Ian from Ian Rappaport. He

774
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 2: says that they're doing it for to preserve financial flexibility

775
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 2: for the team this offseason. Wilson has thirty seven million

776
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 2: and twenty twenty five salary that vests in March of

777
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, and if he suffered a serious injury,

778
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 2: it would complicate matters, per Rapaport.

779
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 9: Yeah, so basically the Raiders did the same thing with

780
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 9: Derek Carr last year. If he were if us were

781
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 9: to play this week and tear his ACL and he

782
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 9: wouldn't pass a physical next spring, then they would owe

783
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 9: him this money.

784
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 2: Right, But do they not care about making the playoffs?

785
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 2: They've they've written that off.

786
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, they realized it's about money.

787
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 9: It's about money and about the fact that Russell Wilson's

788
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 9: probably not going to be a Denver Bronco next year,

789
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 9: so it's the easiest way out of his contract.

790
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 2: They've basically conceded the playoff race.

791
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 9: Yes, I think that they probably see that they're not

792
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 9: winning the Super Bowl, so like what you know at

793
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 9: that point, like what's really so.

794
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 5: Would you get that? Would you want Russell Wilson here

795
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 5: at the patient now?

796
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 2: So maybe the Broncos are one of those teams in

797
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 2: the off season that inquire about Bailey Zappy.

798
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 9: I think they're definitely in the quarterback market. I don't

799
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 9: know if Bailey's appy is the quarterback.

800
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 2: So what did young Bailey have to say?

801
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 9: Yeah, some interesting answers from Bailey z Appy. I think

802
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 9: a lot of it was about this environment, playing in

803
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 9: Buffalo on the road, you know, different type of thing,

804
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 9: but not no disrespect to Pittsburgh and Denver, which are

805
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 9: tough in road environments as well, but this is I

806
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,399
Speaker 9: think a different beast. I mean, fred wid driving and

807
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 9: they're like throwing stuff at the buses and like flipping

808
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 9: us off and and that's just like they don't even know.

809
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 9: I guess that we're not actually players on the team.

810
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,280
Speaker 2: But it doesn't matter. Mooning.

811
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 9: Yeah, they see Patriots bus and and they're they're throwing

812
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 9: eggs at it or something like that. So that was

813
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 9: I think, you know, something that he's trying his best

814
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 9: to kind of mentally prepare for the fact that there's

815
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 9: gonna be some pretty rowdy crowd uh there on Sunday,

816
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 9: and also talking a little bit about some of the

817
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 9: things that he's trying to correct from the Denver game.

818
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 9: Talked about a few misreads that he had in the

819
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:31,439
Speaker 9: game and things of that nature. So he he owns

820
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 9: up to those things. I'll give him that. You know,

821
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 9: he comes right out and says, I should have hit

822
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 9: Pharaoh Brown on this big play that I missed, you know,

823
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 9: and things like that. So we'll see if if he

824
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 9: makes those improvements.

825
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 5: Okay, so weird practice today too. They moved it just

826
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 5: to the bubble three or sorry, the socio stock comfield.

827
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 2: Is this the socio.

828
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 9: Empower?

829
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 2: I take that it was empower and then it was

830
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 2: so well, No, I think the sign for socios is

831
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 2: still up there, but I think they're in the process

832
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 2: of changing that bubble because of noise. Try to simulate noise. Well,

833
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 2: he was asked about it.

834
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 5: I think they're kind of banged up, and we think

835
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 5: this probably is like a walk through corrections kind of.

836
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 5: It'll be quick because locker rooms. It is it what

837
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 5: four fifteen, so it's only an hour fifteen practice. It's

838
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 5: a quick one.

839
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 9: So, yeah, the Bills are doing the same thing for

840
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,760
Speaker 9: what it's worth. I think at this point of the season,

841
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 9: it's week seventeen. Teams are banged up, Guys are guyed

842
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 9: bumps and bruises. So the Bills are also doing a

843
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 9: walk through practice today.

844
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 2: But why in the bubble and why not outside of that?

845
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 2: I don't know.

846
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 9: Yeah, maybe the practice that I can't answer. We can't.

847
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 9: He wouldn't. He didn't really want to talk too much

848
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 9: about it.

849
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 5: So Evan, we were talking upstairs about, you know, Christian

850
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 5: Barmore maybe should be the player of the week, not

851
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 5: the player that he didn't get it, but I thought

852
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 5: you would appreciate who did get it, which is Kyle Hamilton.

853
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:57,240
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, I saw and Barmore snubbed first of all, snubbed,

854
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 9: absolutely snubbed. Sorry that brought party through pass passes right

855
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 9: to Kyle Hamilton, like, oh great, yeah, player of the week.

856
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 9: So yeah, it just that's a tough one. That's why

857
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 9: I thought Barmore was definitely I mean, they don't like

858
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 9: release the voting for that sort of thing, so I

859
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 9: don't know if Barmore was close to winning it, but

860
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 9: I I thought that maybe he had a chance.

861
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 2: Is it?

862
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,439
Speaker 5: I mean, am I crazy to say that he should

863
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 5: be the number one priority of this SAF season to

864
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,280
Speaker 5: resign him? Yes, that's crazy, No, that's crazy.

865
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 2: I agree to extend. Should be he should be extended

866
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 2: high priority. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah.

867
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 9: I do think that he would be the type of

868
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 9: guy that would take an extension before free agency because

869
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 9: you want to maximize on the on the career year, right,

870
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 9: And I think if you asked josh U j Now

871
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 9: if he would have taken an offer from the Patriots

872
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 9: this past offseason instead of testing and you know, kind

873
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 9: of betting on himself and testing the market come free agency,

874
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 9: he might say yes that he that he would have

875
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 9: And I think with defensive lineman he has eight and

876
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 9: a half sacks year, maybe the sacks don't go his

877
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 9: way next year and he doesn't have it, you know,

878
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 9: he has three sacks or something like that. I think

879
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 9: it's a pretty sacks are not a very stable stat

880
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 9: for a lot of guys year to year, especially into

881
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 9: your guys.

882
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 5: So I had a thought, would it be crazy to

883
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 5: to kind of if you can't get ouch or ifuche

884
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 5: wants more money than just kind of put mac Wilson

885
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 5: into that role. He's kind of shown he can do

886
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 5: it a little bit. I don't know if he's got

887
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 5: the same juice that has. He's probably a little bit older,

888
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 5: I would guess.

889
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's just a thought.

890
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 9: Yeah I would worry. I mean, it's it's possible. It's

891
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,959
Speaker 9: probably cross my mind too. Just similar type of get

892
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 9: off explosiveness off the edge, but is longer, Like I

893
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 9: feel like he's a little bit bigger, a little bit

894
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 9: longer on the edge than mack Wilson is. I would

895
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 9: be very worried if they ran the ball, like if

896
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 9: they if it was like third and eight, and they

897
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 9: just surprised the Patriots with like a runoff tackle towards

898
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 9: mac Wilson. I would I would be concerned, whereas with Ouch, Yes,

899
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 9: he's had his issues against the run, but maybe he's

900
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 9: a little bit more well versed and playing at the

901
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 9: end of the line of scrimmage and can make a

902
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 9: stop in that situation.

903
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 5: Just some of those choices you got to make is

904
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 5: they try to like get things back in order and

905
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 5: you know, open up. I was talking a little bit

906
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 5: about the tackle discussion of yeah, you know, thinking like

907
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 5: at least you got to get one right, you got

908
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 5: to get at least a tackle somewhere that you believe

909
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 5: is a guy. And like I said, Evan and I

910
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 5: were talking about how hard it is to do in

911
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 5: free agency. He mentioned mcglinchy and you know, it's it's

912
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 5: an important thing. And I you know, I'm not to

913
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 5: say that I'm trying to lead this into the you know,

914
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 5: fourth fifth overall pick kind of conversation, but they have

915
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 5: to make it a hit.

916
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 9: He will have it like we should have it because

917
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 9: they it's a pretty deep tackle draft, but it's it's

918
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 9: top heavy and so it's deep in the top fifty.

919
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 9: But once you get outside of the top fifty, most

920
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 9: people don't really see a ton of future starters outside

921
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 9: of the second round. And those top tackles Joe alt

922
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 9: Olofashanu are two of the best tackle prospects to come

923
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 9: out of the draft in the last couple of years.

924
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 9: And you look at those two guys and you do

925
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 9: have to think about it because I don't think you

926
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 9: can build an offensive line through free agency. I just

927
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 9: don't think that that's how it works. It's just not.

928
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 2: Uh.

929
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 9: Usually the good lineman don't make it to free agency.

930
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 9: They either get traded or they just stick with their

931
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 9: their own team. So if you're an offensive lineman that

932
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 9: hits the free agent market as an unrestricted free agent,

933
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 9: I always say why, Like, what's what's the catch with you?

934
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,760
Speaker 9: Because if you're a great starting tackle in the league,

935
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 9: then your team is finding a way to keep you.

936
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 5: Another question I have for the panel is, uh, you know,

937
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 5: what's the drop off like from when you at right

938
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 5: guard to city so so, and you know, is that

939
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 5: is it comparable? And is that a place where you

940
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 5: can save a little money if you know what I mean,

941
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 5: If it's I don't know how you feel about City

942
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 5: so and how he's performing. I mean, he's kind of

943
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 5: locked down that right guard spot for a while, and

944
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 5: he's on a rookie deal. You know, it's a right guard,

945
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 5: which to me is always like if you have one

946
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 5: position that.

947
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 2: You're saying, maybe that makes and when you expendable.

948
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 5: I mean, if you're I just think everything has to

949
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 5: be on the table as you try, and especially if

950
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 5: a new coaching staff comes in, you know, I if

951
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 5: it's not that much of a drop off and you

952
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 5: don't feel like we've feel like City's done well and

953
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 5: we feel like he's progressing, it just financially, it just

954
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 5: makes a lot more sense. And I mean, again, just

955
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 5: to finish my point, like, right guard is the position

956
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 5: where I'm like, if you had to, if you have

957
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 5: one position you just kind of have to figure out,

958
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 5: I'd probably choose it to be right guard, you know,

959
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 5: like that of everything unless special quarterback right and then

960
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 5: you got you gonna need all the protection you get.

961
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 2: I guess all right, let's get back to the Ace

962
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,280
Speaker 2: ticket hutline. We'll go to Willhelm and Philly. What's up? Well,

963
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 2: Oh he gave up? I made him so mad? With

964
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 2: my Bill talk.

965
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 5: Did he just through the phone and discussed.

966
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 2: Kendall's in North Carolina? Hey Kendall, what's going on?

967
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 10: Guys?

968
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 2: Hey?

969
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 11: Hey, I got a quick question about Bill. I know

970
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 11: the three possible LINUS spots would be Washington, Carolina, and

971
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 11: maybe the Chargers. So let's just say, Typathelia, those teams

972
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 11: aren't interested. I mean, could you see Bill being back

973
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 11: with the Patriot default or what happens?

974
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 12: Then?

975
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 2: No, I think the Patriot, the the organization would have

976
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 2: already moved on. So I don't think that that's the

977
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 2: case that like the Patriots would kind of wait to

978
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 2: see where he lands, and if he doesn't land, he

979
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 2: comes back here. I think once he starts having those interviews,

980
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 2: it's done. Yeah.

981
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 5: I mean, well, I gotta admit I think Bill might

982
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 5: be back next year.

983
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 2: Oh so you're you're washes that all of a sudden.

984
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 2: I don't.

985
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 9: That's not what I want. Like, I've always given my

986
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 9: appemation on it.

987
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 2: Honestly, So three weeks ago you would have said the

988
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 2: same thing.

989
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 9: Uh. I think it's a lot easier said than done

990
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 9: to look him in the face and fire him.

991
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 2: Well, absolutely, that's not the question though, I asked you

992
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 2: three weeks ago, I see coming back.

993
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 9: No, but probably emotionally no, because I like to me

994
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 9: it was it was too the product on the field

995
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 9: was just so bad that I I couldn't see it.

996
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 9: I just I worry, and I say this very delicately,

997
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 9: since he signs my paycheck. I worry about having the

998
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 9: khones to actually do it. Like it's one thing just

999
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 9: to say it. It's one thing in season when they're

1000
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 9: losing five straight in a row and they look terrible

1001
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 9: in Germany and terrible in New York. To sit here

1002
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 9: and say this is terrible. We have to move on.

1003
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 9: And then January eighth comes or whatever it is, and

1004
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 9: you're sitting across the table from him, and he's saying,

1005
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 9: you know, I want to be back, and this is

1006
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 9: what I'm gonna do to make the team better, X,

1007
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 9: Y and Z. To then sit there and say, you

1008
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 9: know what, Bill, thanks for the twenty five years. It's

1009
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 9: six super Bowls, but we're actually going to go in

1010
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 9: a different direction. I just so I believe it when I.

1011
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 2: See it, not being influenced by winning the last two

1012
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 2: out of no.

1013
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 9: No, I mean yeah, a little bit, but I think

1014
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 9: that that's a fair I don't think it's fair to

1015
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 9: be influenced by that, but I think that human nature

1016
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 9: is to be influenced.

1017
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I never questioned his coaching ability. I'd be

1018
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 2: more surprised if the team wasn't playing hard. You know,

1019
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 2: all these people like are amazed, Oh my god, still

1020
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 2: playing hard for him, and they're still giving, you know,

1021
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 2: one hundred percent effort. I expected that, But that's not

1022
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 2: why he's in hot water. No, and I's in hot

1023
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 2: water because of the team that he.

1024
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 9: Built, right, And that's why I wonder if there's some

1025
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 9: sort of agreement that they come to about personnel.

1026
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 2: Well, listen, I said at the beginning, you know, way

1027
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 2: a long time ago. My perfect scenario is he acquiesces,

1028
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 2: he says, Okay, I want to coach. That's the most

1029
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 2: important thing to me. I will, you know, give over

1030
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 2: the off season to you know, another team, when I

1031
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 2: mean you know, another group of people, and I will

1032
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 2: coach the team. I will plan for game day, I'll

1033
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 2: take the players, will collaborate, I'll tell them what kind

1034
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,399
Speaker 2: of players I'd like. But at the end of the day,

1035
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 2: it's not going to be my decision. If he's willing

1036
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 2: to do all that. Let's go, let's go. But I

1037
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 2: just don't see that happening.

1038
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 9: I don't see it happening either. And I think ultimately

1039
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 9: you have to worry about the whole puppet GM thing

1040
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 9: where who is actually pulling the strings behind the scenes.

1041
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:06,280
Speaker 2: So that's where that's where the crafts have to say. Okay,

1042
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 2: but those new people are are higher right, there are

1043
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 2: people they're not macro who now will have more authority.

1044
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:19,439
Speaker 2: It's our people that answer to us, and they will

1045
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 2: be talking on a regular basis about how are things going.

1046
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 2: You know, why did you make that decision? Whose decision

1047
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 2: was it? All that thing? And Bill's got to agree

1048
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 2: to that.

1049
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 9: And if you give a GM and I don't really

1050
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 9: like this idea because I don't think it can work

1051
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,280
Speaker 9: because if you hand players off the bill, then Bill's

1052
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 9: gonna do whatever he wants with the player, like whether

1053
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 9: it's playing him at a position or it's not playing

1054
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 9: him at all because he doesn't like the skill set

1055
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 9: or whatever. If he's the coach of the team and

1056
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 9: with his cachet, if you draft a receiver in the

1057
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 9: second round that has a certain skill set that he

1058
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 9: doesn't run, block, well, or doesn't run routes, well, then

1059
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 9: he's just gonna sit him on the bench, right, And

1060
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 9: that I think is a difficult thing. But I just

1061
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 9: wonder if maybe emotion gets the you know, the better

1062
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 9: of it, or just loyalty gets the better of it,

1063
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 9: and they try to find like a middle ground that

1064
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 9: isn't kicking the best coach in the history of the

1065
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 9: league out the door.

1066
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's kind of what I said yesterday of that's

1067
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 5: the easy thing, would just be a stick with him.

1068
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 5: I mean, that's you know, it's that's the easy thing.

1069
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 5: That's why to me, it's it's.

1070
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 2: Easy to keep Bill.

1071
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 5: It's a little bit harder, but still pretty easy to

1072
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 5: keep Mayo and keep the general kind of structure around.

1073
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 5: The hardest thing is to completely wipe the slate clean

1074
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 5: and have a whole new bunch of guys with a

1075
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 5: whole new philosophy. Go back to all the things you said,

1076
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 5: Fred about the minutia that goes into coaching. So you're

1077
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 5: gonna establish a whole new program, and then it's it's

1078
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:43,439
Speaker 5: kind of all bets are off for probably I would

1079
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 5: say maybe ninety percent of the players currently on the

1080
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 5: roster because you don't know how they're gonna fit. I mean,

1081
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,240
Speaker 5: you know, a guy like Barmore, I think he fits anywhere.

1082
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 5: But you know, even a guy like Jawan Bentley, who's

1083
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 5: a leader of this team, he's a very specific Belichick

1084
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 5: Mayo type of player, Jilani Tavai Belichick Mayo type of player.

1085
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 5: Another coach comes in, he might say, look, I want

1086
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 5: a Matt Malone. I want a different kind of you know.

1087
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 5: And now we're just in a full rebuild, so I like,

1088
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 5: I'm not I think that's all on the table. But

1089
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 5: it's just from the ownership perspective, what's the hardest thing

1090
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,959
Speaker 5: to do, especially when you know you want to still

1091
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 5: have control, you want to be have a relationship with

1092
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 5: the people running the game. So now you know Robert

1093
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 5: Craft's gonna have to establish a new relationship with a GM.

1094
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 9: And oh, you're just trying to mentally prepare myself for

1095
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 9: the fact that he might be back next year. And

1096
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 9: if that's the case, what are like the parameters of

1097
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 9: that would that would make me happy? And I think

1098
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 9: the first thing is what Fred said, you need to

1099
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 9: have a general manager that answers to the Crafts, not

1100
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 9: to Bill. A general manager that answers to to the

1101
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 9: crafts and has control of the ninety man roster. Like that.

1102
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 9: That's item number one. Item number two. I would allow

1103
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 9: Bill O'Brien to hire his own staff, like the fact

1104
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 9: that Bill O'Brien's been basically saddled with this like makeshift

1105
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 9: offensive coaching staff that was like part Josh mcdaniels's staff,

1106
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 9: part his, Like, it doesn't make any sense, So allow

1107
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 9: him if if he thinks Vinnison Siris the best running

1108
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 9: backs coach for the job, then he keeps Vineyson Siri.

1109
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 9: But I just I can't imagine that some of those

1110
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 9: guys would all be safe if that was the case.

1111
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 9: So let him go out and make his own hires

1112
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 9: on the offensive staff, and and let's see where it goes.

1113
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 9: So like that that those types of big things would

1114
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 9: have to happen for me to be okay with it.

1115
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 9: But I just I feel like we have to prepare

1116
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 9: for all scenarios. We can't just assume that he's going

1117
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 9: to be gone.

1118
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 5: I mean, even if he came back, there'd have to

1119
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 5: there'd have to be some kind of changes to sell

1120
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 5: the general public on. You know, this is what we're

1121
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 5: gonna do. I mean, I like Evan's idea, I mean,

1122
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 5: Will Long one of his guys, but Vinny Troy Brown,

1123
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 5: I mean, and I also brought up the you know,

1124
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 5: just the continued difficulties at offensive line coach.

1125
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 2: But what what what if the new GM wants the

1126
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 2: new offensive coordinator, who's higher is the coordinators? Is that

1127
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 2: Bills or the GMS?

1128
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 9: Well, yeah, I mean that that usually that would be

1129
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 9: the coaches higher, right, So I think that that's part

1130
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 9: of it too. But I just I don't think that

1131
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 9: they gave Bill O'Brien enough control of the offensive coaching staff,

1132
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 9: Like the fact that they hired a new offensive coordinator

1133
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 9: and they said here's you know, here's your staff like that.

1134
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,240
Speaker 9: That's not normally how I feel like that should be

1135
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 9: be going. And I think that they'll play on the

1136
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,439
Speaker 9: field reflects the fact that you know, they probably could

1137
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 9: be better in certain coaching positions on this you know team,

1138
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,760
Speaker 9: other than just head coach. And I look at Adrian

1139
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 9: Clem as like an easy out at this point because

1140
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 9: he's not even here like with the team, So if

1141
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:32,760
Speaker 9: you feel like he wasn't doing a good job, and

1142
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,240
Speaker 9: then he kind of goes in mya because of his health.

1143
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 9: Then you said, that's an easy out, all right, you know,

1144
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 9: next guy.

1145
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I ran down. It was I mean

1146
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 5: Dante left what after eighteen? Then it was Popovich and

1147
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 5: uh and the guy in base Brisillo.

1148
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: Yep.

1149
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 2: Then it was just Brisillo.

1150
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 5: Right for the COVID year and twenty one.

1151
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 2: And twenty one.

1152
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 5: Then it was Matty p in twenty two, and now

1153
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 5: it was started at Adrian Clem. Now it's just kind

1154
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 5: of Billy Yates. I mean, it's just not good. It's

1155
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 5: not the continuity that we had established here for a

1156
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 5: long time. You know, even though Dante is a great coach,

1157
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 5: I just I think continuity speaks volumes.

1158
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 2: Especially when it's a veteran coach. He's been doing. Yeah,

1159
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 2: and you know you mentioned it, du is Like the

1160
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 2: harder thing is to blow it up because everything changes.

1161
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 2: You know, when Bill came in, like we we've been

1162
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 2: so spoiled because for twenty three years, the continuity and

1163
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 2: consistency is something you didn't have to worry about. But

1164
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 2: when Bill first got here, like he wanted his own

1165
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 2: pr person, he wanted everything his like it was a

1166
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:31,919
Speaker 2: total you know, rebranding, restructuring of the whole team, and

1167
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 2: you know you saw two thousand was Yeah, two thousand

1168
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 2: was a terrible season until they got it together. But

1169
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 2: it's it's gonna take a while if you if you

1170
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 2: blow it up. So I could see the craft saying well,

1171
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 2: you know, there's just some changes we want to make,

1172
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,800
Speaker 2: but you know, let's keep most of it in place

1173
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 2: because that part of it isn't broken. And don't rule

1174
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:56,280
Speaker 2: out they got a ton of money in free agency.

1175
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 5: They got you know, really high draft capital, So I mean,

1176
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,320
Speaker 5: there are some things to say, there are ways to

1177
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 5: get talent without having to blow things up.

1178
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 2: But I would just say, for me.

1179
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 5: I do not see them taking personnel away from him.

1180
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 5: It's just I don't see it happening in any context.

1181
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 5: It's that that is that makes things easy but complicated.

1182
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 5: And what are we talking about, like two or three

1183
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 5: off seasons that this person will be selecting play Like,

1184
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 5: is that really gonna make that much of a difference.

1185
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,399
Speaker 5: The disconnect, as Evan was pointing out, between what Bill

1186
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 5: wants to coach and what this guy like, I just

1187
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 5: I cannot see him accepting that and being like, look,

1188
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 5: you're not gonna take this away from me, Like I'm

1189
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 5: a child.

1190
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 2: Now you're gonna you know, yeah.

1191
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 4: Okay, but believe what incentive is there to stay?

1192
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 2: It just depends on how much he wants to coach.

1193
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 2: I mean, you're you're neutering him.

1194
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 5: I mean you're just saying like, yeah, we'll see on

1195
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 5: you know, we'll see a training camp, you know, like

1196
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 5: yeah together, yeah.

1197
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 9: You know, go to Nantucket. We'll see you in o

1198
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 9: Ta Bill. Thanks.

1199
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 2: You know that's the extreme. But aren't there other teams

1200
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 2: with that arrangement?

1201
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 5: Sure, but not like when the coach has been here

1202
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 5: for twenty three years and then all of a sudden

1203
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 5: you're gonna say, actually, you're not getting to do it anymore,

1204
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 5: you know, like I'd rather just fire him, And like,

1205
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 5: I just I don't I don't see him accepting it.

1206
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 5: I don't see it making sense. I don't see it

1207
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 5: producing the kind of results that we think it will.

1208
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 4: And when things go wrong, they can just escape to

1209
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 4: each other between the.

1210
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 5: Right and you have them playing off against each other,

1211
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 5: and he coached them up the way I wanted it,

1212
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 5: you know, I don't know, It's just it's.

1213
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 9: A very messy situation. But I could definitely see it happening.

1214
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 9: Like I have a hard time seeing it working, but

1215
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 9: I have, I definitely have.

1216
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,359
Speaker 2: You can see it. How does Pete Carroll do it

1217
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:29,280
Speaker 2: over in Seattle?

1218
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 9: Which Schneider, Yeah, it's pretty, it's pretty. What's the word together? Yeah,

1219
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 9: they do it together?

1220
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 2: Right, Like okay, right?

1221
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:40,359
Speaker 5: But then but then we get into like they're going

1222
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 5: to do it together.

1223
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,280
Speaker 2: Come in the room when it's drafted and when.

1224
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 9: They're picking an offensive player.

1225
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 2: I want, I want it's going.

1226
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 6: To be like Moneyball where Philly Bean is like trading right, right.

1227
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 9: I mean that that's obviously the big the biggest risk. Yeah,

1228
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 9: I mean he looks he can still he can acquire

1229
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 9: talent on defense, Like I think that that's pretty clear. Uh,

1230
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 9: you know their their defensive picks recently have been I mean,

1231
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 9: Christian Barmore draft pick. You know, Kyle Duggart draft pick.

1232
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 9: I think Keon White is starting to make an impact

1233
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 9: here in the in the second half of the season.

1234
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 9: I think Marty map Who's gonna can have a role

1235
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 9: in some capacity. Right, Gonzales looked great out of the gate,

1236
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,800
Speaker 9: Like those are all Bill draft picks. It's the offensive

1237
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 9: side of the ball that he's just totally out of touch.

1238
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:23,359
Speaker 2: With.

1239
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 9: So that's why if you have a new personnel guy

1240
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 9: that's that's drafting offense and he's giving guys to Billy Oh,

1241
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 9: who's giving guys to his own his own staff, you

1242
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 9: can kind of sell somebody on that being a better

1243
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 9: operation than what it is now. But he can't. Bill

1244
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 9: cannot pick offense, so you just you can't have him

1245
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 9: picking the quarterback. You can't have him picking receivers, like

1246
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 9: whatever grading system they use on wide receivers can be

1247
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 9: thrown out the window and never come back like. That's

1248
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 9: that's the bottom.

1249
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 2: Line, all right, Time to take a break. We'll do

1250
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 2: that and uh, Paul will send food Paul's food over

1251
00:53:58,040 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 2: to ninety eight point five and we'll be right back

1252
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 2: after to this.

1253
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 3: Some of the content of Patriots Unfiltered may not be suitable.

1254
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 10: Very very Christmas to you and yours for this holiday

1255
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 10: football match up. On Christmas Eve, and Andrew snaps and

1256
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 10: play action bag and he dropped by Daphy.

1257
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 1: He's under a rush the golf tackhooms. He sat and

1258
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: picked up by the.

1259
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,760
Speaker 12: Broncos ruling of a five hour live We're.

1260
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 10: Gonna say no with Denver recovering E G. Choones the

1261
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 10: nose tackle in his number here at of omen and

1262
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:37,320
Speaker 10: it is a lie with this down to start renewing

1263
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 10: out the time the first out.

1264
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 2: That's uh.

1265
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 10: They're gonna go for it on the Broncos and a

1266
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 10: board the door from the jew Williams dud White wolfing

1267
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 10: with the head of Williams goat ran into it. Who

1268
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 10: short stumbled in the coup of the rights.

1269
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 1: The flambole half the one and the.

1270
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 12: Patriots with a goal line stand.

1271
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 13: You deserve it, you deserted chun Page can take the points.

1272
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:00,800
Speaker 13: You got to freezefore the goal.

1273
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: In your offense just choked, great John Patriots defense. Wilson

1274
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: would again. Williams runs in.

1275
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 12: Life the Burnley forward stilling a and up.

1276
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: The middle for a touchdown.

1277
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 5: Denver off.

1278
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 9: He's good effort right there.

1279
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: It's all him. Ran hard there and that guys some points.

1280
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: Good gift.

1281
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 13: He gives it the ball inside his head three times

1282
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 13: with a plus.

1283
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 9: Territory to start.

1284
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,919
Speaker 12: The football player he's can throw him do so much.

1285
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 1: He got good staff. Zampi brescor throw sits up.

1286
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 10: Delor Fan won't be in his Quaker's away from a

1287
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 10: tackler off and then he stepped out of mounds.

1288
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 1: He had an open sideline a head but slightly off balance.

1289
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: He sides tex left to the Bronco thirty three. This

1290
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: was similar to the touchdown character in Pittsburgh by Hunter

1291
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: Emery Cover two.

1292
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 13: If zambe season hit him past, this is a city

1293
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 13: corner and he sinks it in there.

1294
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: Want to throw back shoulder to Rager as the hell

1295
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 1: of a brow by Zappy, you got gonna staff and

1296
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: ropen he win the five Bills.

1297
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 10: Got it off to the left, black cat by one

1298
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,919
Speaker 10: and hold off on a hit by five who's calling

1299
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 10: a four yard line? When miss Brammis with a bronbo

1300
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 10: Linane seemingly and the Beck shot at it after divide

1301
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 10: dock the ball out from.

1302
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 12: Jim Got Williams.

1303
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: We got him a bigger say they become bea vic

1304
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: George and him good carts come away with the football.

1305
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 11: He said.

1306
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 10: It's pet trick whist the bottom of the file for

1307
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 10: the England along with Jeremiah Barr.

1308
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 1: It's a great pressure on.

1309
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 13: Wilson and Wills is in the book that foot here

1310
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 13: and he wanted to and want to off the pasifics.

1311
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 10: Us got gets back to Wilson ber he's the ball,

1312
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 10: got is and Wilson balls on god it Matt Wilson

1313
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 10: to handle the backfield freaking habit for the Patriots and

1314
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 10: on his current second as many weeks Christian Barmore nearly

1315
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 10: had the fight effort, but Wilson bowles on it to

1316
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 10: research the possession and set up a poti by Dender.

1317
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 13: Wilson as one of the biggest pressures and tackles to

1318
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 13: get the Pittsburgh and secure that one. This point he

1319
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 13: gets him around the edge and dots to help effort

1320
00:56:58,760 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 13: is narrowly this football.

1321
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:04,240
Speaker 10: There's still pointy ball this mat if you play wining

1322
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 10: the right leg clearing the lions bekase Darren board and

1323
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 10: the half rights the pack lars, well, why to the right.

1324
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 13: What a terrible what a terrible hear he does?

1325
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 1: That's horrible.

1326
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 10: Now fourteen of twenty two, and now will watch.

1327
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 1: Will try a fifty seven yard field goal. The snap

1328
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 1: delivered plays win the right leg, kick player for line,

1329
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 1: a low line drive. It's headed be the cross bar

1330
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 1: and it's still good.

1331
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 10: The stamping stabs after the blocks almost a block and

1332
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 10: he kicks t Wilson for his fourth SAT in the

1333
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 10: last five games.

1334
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: The third year defensive tackle out of Alabama. In the

1335
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: teams you a breast, what's a bad football?

1336
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 13: Will play up the teams and I know we're three

1337
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 13: eleven like you talking about the effort.

1338
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 10: Deeffer's there, efforts there, the talent.

1339
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 12: Is not doptin.

1340
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 1: Will stop. Third and thirty four, Mark Happy a.

1341
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:05,479
Speaker 10: Clap that bish another share for Christian Barmore De friss

1342
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 10: is kicking her, telling me the staff, Wilson, you drop back.

1343
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:12,439
Speaker 1: Here comes Barmore, goes barbarrow. He's got hold out ball

1344
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: in his loose.

1345
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 10: Barmore dining corn the pile, we got it, reaching for

1346
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 10: it in the next of three rondos, making Claire say

1347
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 10: New England has it, mam.

1348
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 1: Who is down there as well?

1349
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 13: If l say it belongs to Denver another four seconds

1350
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 13: to five, he's a means to kid.

1351
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 1: Look right now, Patrick tonight on the show that his

1352
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 1: third of the eating of Big Oh Dad. As he

1353
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 1: takes the snap drop back, where is it like heat light?

1354
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 5: Header, You're not the defender of the time.

1355
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 13: Dives go on home down at its love that drive

1356
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 13: over the half, but Failey's happy driving christ on second

1357
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 13: half balls in the been around for two weeks now

1358
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 13: can come out and sling it.

1359
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: You make a big play a forty one yarder to

1360
00:58:59,120 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: get this drive go.

1361
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 13: They can pluck puffed on the again and then it's

1362
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 13: a perfect call by Oulil Bryant.

1363
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 1: They run double backs into the backfield.

1364
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 13: Then they bosted one guy out left and then allowed

1365
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 13: seek to get to the right and it's a perfect

1366
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 13: rome by Paisley the loud seq to leap over one.

1367
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 1: Of the defenders for fifteen yard touchdown.

1368
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 10: Second Tex down catch of the season by Elliott, second.

1369
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 12: From Zambi and three weeks the high staff of Gardono

1370
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 12: the kill.

1371
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 1: By while under the up right and it gets all

1372
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 1: I let you up brought.

1373
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:27,919
Speaker 12: Is he got no good?

1374
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 1: This dectric won by tann Wile and a high staff.

1375
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 10: Barringer got it down.

1376
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 12: Ryland runs in the kick off the left upright.

1377
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 1: They bring the other tricker get has now miss his

1378
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: last two. He takes the step against the clip. He's

1379
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 1: a trump. The fact got got up. Who cat have gosh?

1380
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: What a sack back at the twenty nine boy.

1381
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 10: It's been a long time coming for John Gouja to

1382
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 10: rack down another sack for New England.

1383
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 1: K Philly trying first go on on third nine to make.

1384
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 13: Sure you got the right person now right, calls you

1385
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 13: dowl up a blitz, great call.

1386
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 2: He him in the pocket.

1387
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 1: That's the teeth puts.

1388
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 13: Him and out Buche and Bills blots off that edge

1389
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 13: at lepers they.

1390
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 2: Kept him in loot sack.

1391
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 1: Sappy dropped backs run, got running Rooks right. He drove

1392
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 1: in the back of the end Da Sicky New England.

1393
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 1: They were matthing its lead badly. Sappy didn't running. He

1394
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 1: slung it and he found Mike ge second turn the touchdown.

1395
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 10: Here's second on.

1396
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 1: The season and well they have Sappy on the booth

1397
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 1: here I mean hool as the two cover pockets COLLAPSI

1398
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 1: he sides up. I go running. There's one the left note.

1399
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 1: He knew what the run the scripp it was, and

1400
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 1: he waited. He waited for get Sicky to clear on

1401
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 1: a back end line under the hold pot and there's

1402
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 1: the time the run on Matt the point of the

1403
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 1: leg by Land. He is getting his driven Jordan mins.

1404
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 1: He taps his chest. He's gonna be turning out and

1405
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 1: rocket pitch it out to the poor runs to the left.

1406
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 1: Hash bartex boone. As we all right the Wayland, it's.

1407
01:00:57,120 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 10: Damp Matrians cover it up by Conny Davis.

1408
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 1: Home financially a.

1409
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 10: Moment Jery Ryhi and then Connie Davis after the ball

1410
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 10: was knocked free, covering up with the end zone.

1411
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 1: Man is great and left.

1412
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 10: The ball was knocked out by Mark Kain mob Boom

1413
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 10: Patsy his second take away in his many weeks and

1414
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 10: Davis Paul's on it for a New England touchdown.

1415
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 1: Great call, Bob, great call, you got his ass kicking. Oh,

1416
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 1: Chris was seeing a Denver take his place right now.

1417
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 1: It's third quarter.

1418
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 2: And it was seventh, three and halftime.

1419
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 13: Look at the other end from point looking at the

1420
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 13: energy on the bench. Don't think this team is Quinn Wilson.

1421
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 10: Look at the drove he rolled down like came by

1422
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 10: Luja going backwards, start to the end zone.

1423
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 1: Drum call on its car touchdown Denver. He tossed it

1424
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 1: up in his fight at night to play trumped in

1425
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 1: with the crab. Look gets call.

1426
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 10: I'm gonna fox out with the defender for New England

1427
01:01:58,680 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 10: and make the ketch.

1428
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 1: In front of as Austin Brocco's gonna have to go

1429
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 1: over two.

1430
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 12: Wilson brother dundas that fick row left.

1431
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 1: For Johnson r straight to happen.

1432
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 10: He can't five five, but he wants his in two

1433
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 10: point conversion.

1434
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 1: Denvers as we have a dolar player.

1435
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 2: Yep.

1436
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 1: After you have a dolar, evily play where you're going

1437
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 1: for m He said, La golkas Atlanta look to us.

1438
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:23,959
Speaker 1: Black Jose is back. Johnson makes the pet Colts ahead.

1439
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 1: Cut to the time.

1440
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 10: Johnson to the Pilote whattch down bigger.

1441
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 1: Two quick in Wilson rolls, got right, what's up? Two ways?

1442
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 1: Makes the heat? How much?

1443
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 10: Bentley into the episode on his page five Ball Game

1444
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 10: twenty three twenty.

1445
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 1: Three two fifty three to go escape hold here Bennets go.

1446
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 10: In Rookie Maryland by way of Eastern Michigan kicking President

1447
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 10: Christmas Present, round fourteen to twenty two. This season, he's

1448
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 10: missed four of his last seven field goals six. He

1449
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 10: will have an opportunity from screen on fifty six yards

1450
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 10: away and victory bore the Patriots.

1451
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 1: Mardona over the football, Barry is right, he is down.

1452
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 1: He shows Cardona in his right hand right aways, winning

1453
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 1: Bond in his hand, the.

1454
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:20,440
Speaker 10: Staff the spot, the kick clears the line sadly to

1455
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 10: the up Pricedona.

1456
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 2: Here's God, but the kid did it?

1457
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 10: Put two seconds to go? Ryland is given the Patriots

1458
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 10: what twenty six twenty three lead here in Denver, and

1459
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 10: he's mob by his teammates on the far side, and

1460
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 10: how good must that feel?

1461
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 1: What he'll call right here?

1462
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 2: Mob?

1463
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 13: Kudos to you man. Wow, what a kick by a kid.

1464
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:51,120
Speaker 13: He knew it right away too. I'm watching him kick

1465
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 13: it while you're watching the kick, and he's fist puffing

1466
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 13: the second and lift his book watch when he hits it.

1467
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 1: He knew it right away. He drove that kick straight

1468
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 1: down the middle.

1469
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 2: All right back here on Patriots on filter at eight

1470
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 2: five five pass five hundred is the ace ticket outline.

1471
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 2: Web radio at Patriots dot com is the email address. Okay,

1472
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 2: some interesting talk in the Yeah we're back. We're wondering

1473
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,439
Speaker 2: how Paul's doing over there. Yeah, he's carrying the show

1474
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 2: I did. I was listening a little bit between eleven

1475
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 2: and eleven thirty and they were going down memory lane

1476
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 2: a little bit. So Paul was in his wheelhouse talking

1477
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 2: about games and like three and.

1478
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:41,240
Speaker 9: How they came you know, played out how Brady came

1479
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 9: to be. According to Yeah, so.

1480
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 5: It's it's not it's like Paul Light, It's not on here.

1481
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 5: He's like, you know, Paul, Paul, but I feel like

1482
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 5: on there he's.

1483
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 6: At like when you get a new girlfriend, you start

1484
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 6: talking to a new girl, you feel it out.

1485
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 5: This has been a long affair that he's had in

1486
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 5: this radio station. They've been they've been like, this has

1487
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 5: been his side, his side, lady, for for what, I

1488
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:02,439
Speaker 5: don't know how long he's been on the Hub.

1489
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 9: That's when he goes on with Felger and Maz I

1490
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 9: usually listen and and he he sounds like a different person,

1491
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:12,960
Speaker 9: like he's he's got to play a little bit more

1492
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 9: on Yeah, and they try to like get him riled

1493
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:17,920
Speaker 9: up or they, you know, Felger comes at him with

1494
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 9: like some crazy Felger hot take, and Paul is just like,

1495
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 9: you know, it's very calm, very like, you know, even keeled,

1496
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 9: And I'm like, this is this is not pp Like,

1497
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 9: what are we doing here?

1498
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:31,160
Speaker 5: There's no one better to keep Michael Felger in line

1499
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 5: than Paul, like you know what I mean, Like he

1500
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 5: will not flinch if he doesn't like one of you

1501
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 5: know what is he calling Felger facts like like Paul

1502
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 5: is the perfect person.

1503
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 2: To like go deal with them and yeah, but he

1504
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 2: also parrots a lot of what Felger says. They like

1505
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 2: I listen to sometimes what Paul says in here, and

1506
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 2: then I'll go on drive home and Felger saying the

1507
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 2: exact same thing. So I know, like they've emailed.

1508
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 5: You know, Well, it's PA's got such a long commute.

1509
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 5: I just think, like how much of him has been

1510
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 5: shaped by just being in his fricking car two hours

1511
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 5: a day every day listening to those guys talk like

1512
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 5: it's it's almost like his training. I feel like, you know,

1513
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 5: he's takes it, he gets mad about and you know,

1514
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:10,480
Speaker 5: he comes in like it's like his workshop every day.

1515
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 5: But if I did that with the road rage, right,

1516
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 5: But if I had to drive to Peabody every day

1517
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 5: to and back, and I mean, and he's like, you know,

1518
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:19,640
Speaker 5: he's always here, Like, oh.

1519
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:22,760
Speaker 2: Boy, that's a that's a tough ride because of the traffic.

1520
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, like the mass Pike in twenty eight every day

1521
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 5: you're like where they merge.

1522
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 4: A long commute, but no one's really going west.

1523
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 2: Right, right, So you're just driving, yeah, relaxed for the

1524
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 2: most part.

1525
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, so he's going to hit it at not only

1526
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:38,120
Speaker 5: like the mass Pike, but he's gonna hit it like

1527
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 5: Route too, and like you know a Burlington like there's

1528
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 5: traffic stops it every single.

1529
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 9: Week has been beautiful. Oh there's no traffic because nobody

1530
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 9: is going into the office this week. I got here

1531
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 9: this morning in like twenty eight minutes. I just it

1532
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 9: was fantastic.

1533
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 2: You could move closer than I mean. It's now you

1534
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 2: guys not allowed, you know. All right, let's get back

1535
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:01,479
Speaker 2: to the phones. The stick outline eight five five, pass

1536
01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 2: five hundred. Let's see Jay and Minnesota has been hanging on.

1537
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 2: What's up?

1538
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:07,760
Speaker 10: Jay?

1539
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 1: Jay?

1540
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 10: Jay?

1541
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 2: Jay and Minnesota? Hey, Willem and Pelham is back another shot?

1542
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 2: What's up William?

1543
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 8: Hey Fred?

1544
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:22,920
Speaker 2: How you doing all right?

1545
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 11: Is Evan?

1546
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, Hey.

1547
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 14: I get a chance to talk for a minute. Uh

1548
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:33,560
Speaker 14: look I missed what I saw you take yesterday. I'm

1549
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 14: listening to you, but you had to step out for

1550
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 14: a minute. So I want to ask you. So it's

1551
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 14: retained towards the draft. So if you sitting at number

1552
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 14: four and you say you don't want to trade up

1553
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:48,440
Speaker 14: because you got to use draft capital, well Molly push back,

1554
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:50,440
Speaker 14: is well, if you want that quarterback, what are you

1555
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:51,000
Speaker 14: supposed to do?

1556
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 10: Then?

1557
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 9: Yeah? I just I don't. I don't like these quarterbacks

1558
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 9: enough to trade what the Panthers? Just like, do you

1559
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 9: think the Panthers are in good shape? Like they traded

1560
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:04,840
Speaker 9: it future first round picks for Bryce Young and they're

1561
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 9: going to have the first overall pick again except oh wait,

1562
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 9: they don't have it. So now now what are they

1563
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 9: supposed to do?

1564
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:09,960
Speaker 5: Like?

1565
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 9: It just you're you're if you're a team that's not

1566
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 9: a quarterback away from competing, And I don't think the

1567
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:23,600
Speaker 9: Patriots are a quarterback away from competing. Then giving up

1568
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:25,600
Speaker 9: a king's ransom to move up in the draft for

1569
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:27,680
Speaker 9: a quarterback like where you you're going to be the

1570
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 9: Carolina Panthers. That That's that's my only point.

1571
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 11: Yeah, true, Okay, I got you, isn't it.

1572
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:36,599
Speaker 14: I just want to say, well, actually I have two

1573
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:38,599
Speaker 14: things I want to say, but I was just saying

1574
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 14: one thing.

1575
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 12: First.

1576
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 14: Isn't it just crazy? Here we are twenty twenty three,

1577
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:47,840
Speaker 14: but it was in it twenty I'm gonna get it right.

1578
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:49,639
Speaker 14: Prady was going twenty nineteen.

1579
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:53,519
Speaker 2: No, I think two nineteen or twenty twenty twenty, was gone.

1580
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:57,840
Speaker 14: Twenty twenty, and here you are, what three four years later,

1581
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 14: your team's still trash and we can't get this together.

1582
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 2: I mean, well, the way I remember, it's it's always

1583
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:07,759
Speaker 2: Cam Newton was here one year and then they drafted

1584
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 2: Mac and this is his third year.

1585
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:12,720
Speaker 14: Yeah right, it's just.

1586
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 8: How long does the rebuild take?

1587
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 5: It just it could be infinity.

1588
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:21,800
Speaker 2: There is there is no like one, you know, there

1589
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:25,120
Speaker 2: is no set way. Oh I think I think I

1590
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:26,160
Speaker 2: threw them off like that one.

1591
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:28,559
Speaker 5: But I mean, look like there's no guarantee that any

1592
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:30,519
Speaker 5: team is going to compete for a super Bowl.

1593
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 2: It's you know, like it's that's the problem. It's that

1594
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:35,840
Speaker 2: was the fear, like you get stuck in the NFL purgatory.

1595
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:37,559
Speaker 5: That's why I lose my mind when I hear people

1596
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:39,599
Speaker 5: say like, well, it's probably like a five to six

1597
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:40,560
Speaker 5: year rebuild.

1598
01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:42,720
Speaker 2: I'm like five, why not fifty years? Like why five

1599
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:43,160
Speaker 2: to six?

1600
01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:44,840
Speaker 5: Like you're gonna have a whole draft class that's not

1601
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:45,640
Speaker 5: going to pan out and.

1602
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:47,840
Speaker 6: Then they're gonna walk like blown up this offseason, like

1603
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:49,840
Speaker 6: everyone seems to be wanting.

1604
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:52,559
Speaker 2: It to define what rebuild is? What what foundation are

1605
01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:55,280
Speaker 2: you building on? Where are you coming from? Like, Yeah,

1606
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:57,559
Speaker 2: I mean there's no set model.

1607
01:09:57,640 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 5: I just think the bottom line is find a quarterback

1608
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:01,679
Speaker 5: you believe, then you love and I don't think anybody

1609
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 5: anymore believes in mac and you know, and that's and

1610
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 5: they don't have it. I mean, say what you will

1611
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 5: about Bailly Appy's performances, but right now, to me, they

1612
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:09,800
Speaker 5: don't have that piece.

1613
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 2: And that's the piece that you.

1614
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 5: Need to really believe you are rebuilding, because until that point,

1615
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 5: I think you're just building. You're just building with no

1616
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:19,640
Speaker 5: real end in sight, until you get the quarterback in

1617
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 5: place and you get some star players in place, and

1618
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:22,839
Speaker 5: then you can really start to say.

1619
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:25,799
Speaker 2: We're going towards something. We believe we're gonna be contenders.

1620
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1621
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:29,160
Speaker 9: I just feel like, if you again like to use

1622
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:34,680
Speaker 9: the Panthers analogy, if you really feel like Caleb Williams

1623
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 9: is an Andrew Luck, Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawrence level prospect,

1624
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:42,799
Speaker 9: and I guess maybe you could convince me into trading

1625
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:45,240
Speaker 9: up to get him, depending on the price. But I

1626
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 9: just think more times than not, you know, it's a

1627
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:51,240
Speaker 9: Brice Young situation, and then you're left with a quarterback

1628
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:55,160
Speaker 9: that is on a depleted roster that doesn't have draft

1629
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:58,040
Speaker 9: ammo now to add to that roster, and where are

1630
01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 9: you You're just you're spinning the tires on it. And

1631
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 9: their due picks, you know, to Chicago for like multiple years,

1632
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:07,600
Speaker 9: you know, like not just first round picks too. I

1633
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:09,680
Speaker 9: think they traded one of their seconds as well. So

1634
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:12,160
Speaker 9: it's it's just a tough spot to be And if

1635
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:15,840
Speaker 9: you're the Patriots, I'd rather build it methodically than just

1636
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:18,639
Speaker 9: try to like drop Drake may or Caleb Williams into

1637
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:20,519
Speaker 9: this mess and think he's gonna fix everybody.

1638
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:23,840
Speaker 2: Christin New Hampshire says, I've got a gut feeling that

1639
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 2: nothing changes here. Maybe Kraft is as stuck in his

1640
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:30,599
Speaker 2: ways as we believe Belichick is is. So I don't

1641
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 2: roll it out.

1642
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:32,800
Speaker 5: I don't. I mean, I just I think at the

1643
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:34,679
Speaker 5: end of the day, they could easily just say, look,

1644
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 5: you know, we're gonna buy into what he said, and

1645
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:39,559
Speaker 5: we've got a lot of opportunity to change the team

1646
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:42,519
Speaker 5: this year, and we're not ready to hand the keys

1647
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 5: to this car. With all the upcoming perks of of

1648
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:48,639
Speaker 5: cap space and uh, you know in draft capital, we're

1649
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 5: not ready to hand that to a completely unknown quantity,

1650
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 5: you know, and and yeah Bill has had his missus

1651
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 5: and you know, but for us, you know, how much

1652
01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:58,599
Speaker 5: longer is Robert gonna be actively involved in the team.

1653
01:11:59,160 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 1: You know?

1654
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 5: I just think he might say, Look, I'd rather just

1655
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 5: deal with Bill, And what is it like the devil

1656
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:05,400
Speaker 5: you know is better than the one you don't. So

1657
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:07,760
Speaker 5: I really could see it coming. I know, I know

1658
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 5: we're all you know, probably not really in favor of that,

1659
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:10,800
Speaker 5: but I could see it.

1660
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 2: Eric and Amherstberg, I've been a huge in Bill. We

1661
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:18,479
Speaker 2: trust guy, but it's time, and I'll be cutthroat about

1662
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:22,400
Speaker 2: it because it happens. It's business. We need to celebrate him.

1663
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:24,640
Speaker 2: But while he's hurting us and there's a chance he

1664
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:27,720
Speaker 2: might be back, it's infuriating. I understand we don't want

1665
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 2: to lose, but winning these last games kills us. I

1666
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:32,680
Speaker 2: wanted as high a pick as we could get for

1667
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:35,479
Speaker 2: the options. Do we hold it for kings Ransom? Do

1668
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:38,559
Speaker 2: we take a quarterback Marvin Jr. It was a lot

1669
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:42,000
Speaker 2: more fun then now we get a tackle awesome, another

1670
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:43,280
Speaker 2: middling season coming.

1671
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:46,800
Speaker 9: I would also, again, like we said yesterday, like you

1672
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:49,439
Speaker 9: don't just guaranteed get the tackle, like you know, like

1673
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:52,400
Speaker 9: there's a million different things that could happen between now

1674
01:12:52,439 --> 01:12:55,240
Speaker 9: and the draft. And I understand that everybody's locked in

1675
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 9: that Caleb Williams and Drake may are going with the

1676
01:12:57,520 --> 01:12:59,840
Speaker 9: first two picks in the draft, But that's not as

1677
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:01,679
Speaker 9: they really going to be the case, Like you don't

1678
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:03,040
Speaker 9: you don't know it's.

1679
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 5: Going to high jump like forty inches in the people.

1680
01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:07,800
Speaker 9: The second over Yeah right, you know tackle those two

1681
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:11,879
Speaker 9: tackles are top five type prospects. Marvin Harrison Junior is obviously,

1682
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:15,000
Speaker 9: you know if he there's a chance that Marvin Harrison

1683
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:17,320
Speaker 9: Junior could go one one, Like I wouldn't be shocked

1684
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:20,439
Speaker 9: if the Chicago doesn't get a trade package that it loves,

1685
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:23,559
Speaker 9: it doesn't want to draft a quarterback, like who knows,

1686
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:24,760
Speaker 9: you know the Bears do you know.

1687
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:26,200
Speaker 2: What I mean, what are the Bears do? Like your

1688
01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:26,800
Speaker 2: first in row?

1689
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:28,720
Speaker 5: Like that's I mean, I think that so much of

1690
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 5: what you said hinges on their decision on justin fields,

1691
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:32,880
Speaker 5: like I mean it could I mean that pick could

1692
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 5: easily be up for sale, you know, like for a

1693
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:38,240
Speaker 5: team like the Patriots if they wanted to to go

1694
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:41,000
Speaker 5: to number one overall. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised

1695
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:41,800
Speaker 5: to see another team do it.

1696
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:47,679
Speaker 2: Max from Santa Barbara. Oh yeah, I've been wondering since

1697
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:51,080
Speaker 2: Josh left why they didn't bring back Charlie Weiss. He

1698
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 2: grew Brady pretty well and always seemed to be an

1699
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:56,760
Speaker 2: excellent play caller. Nothing against Billy. Oh but if they

1700
01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:59,479
Speaker 2: brought Charlie back last year, maybe, just maybe, and I

1701
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:02,760
Speaker 2: know this is just a possible scenario. Mac Jones might

1702
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:05,519
Speaker 2: not have broken down so badly. Now, this show has

1703
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:08,400
Speaker 2: always been great. I've been listening since three, but since

1704
01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 2: we really suck this year, it has been better than

1705
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:13,400
Speaker 2: ever for some strange reason. The question is, do you

1706
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:16,320
Speaker 2: have past shows from the Glory decades and the archives

1707
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:20,080
Speaker 2: somewhere that we can access. I think they're out there somewhere. Yeah, yeah,

1708
01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:20,920
Speaker 2: it should be somewhere.

1709
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1710
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:24,479
Speaker 2: But Charlie Weiss, I think he's coaching done.

1711
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:26,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he was done with interviewing with US

1712
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:27,679
Speaker 5: two at the Combines.

1713
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 9: His son's an interesting not necessarily connecting to the Patriots

1714
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 9: at all, but he's gonna be. I think he's already

1715
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:40,639
Speaker 9: an offensive coordinator in college. So yeah, he's a rising name.

1716
01:14:41,479 --> 01:14:45,760
Speaker 2: Jared and Vermont starting to feel the winds change around Foxborough.

1717
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 2: Let me pose this vague scenario, and would it be

1718
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:51,720
Speaker 2: a disaster keep Belichick trade down from the top five

1719
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:56,479
Speaker 2: pick and start Zappi in twenty twenty four? Gross could

1720
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:59,040
Speaker 2: happen though to start the year?

1721
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:03,960
Speaker 9: Sure, I like, I don't think that if you're bringing

1722
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:08,800
Speaker 9: back Zappi is like the consensus, you know, unquestioned, supplanted starter,

1723
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:11,439
Speaker 9: then like, oh no, it's just But if you have

1724
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:15,080
Speaker 9: like Zappy with like Pennix or Zapy with bo Nix

1725
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:17,240
Speaker 9: or something like that, then that's like a different conversation.

1726
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 2: But he's saying trade down, So it would have.

1727
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 9: To be a guy like bo Nicks, Yeah, right right,

1728
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:24,400
Speaker 9: somebody at the top of the second round or something

1729
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:24,640
Speaker 9: like that.

1730
01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:28,080
Speaker 2: Ricky in Connecticut by way of Puerto Rico, definitely need

1731
01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 2: to get Alex Barth and your team and give more

1732
01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:33,240
Speaker 2: mic time to the ladies. The ladies can have as

1733
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:34,920
Speaker 2: much as time here.

1734
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:38,160
Speaker 5: Alex has been coming Wednesday, She's she's also kicking.

1735
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:41,160
Speaker 2: I just wanted to talk about Bill. He's got to stay,

1736
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:44,920
Speaker 2: says Ricky. The draft and team building process has always

1737
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:47,840
Speaker 2: appeared collaborative. In the brain drain as a parent, Bill

1738
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:50,360
Speaker 2: just needs to build out his staff. Robert Craft should

1739
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:54,000
Speaker 2: apoint Mayo director of player personnel and bring Devon in

1740
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:58,000
Speaker 2: or another player into the scouting department. Uh. The team

1741
01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:00,959
Speaker 2: can still win as a game plan team with good execution.

1742
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:04,599
Speaker 2: Bill needs did not continue adding responsibilities to his plate,

1743
01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:08,320
Speaker 2: especially in the fourth quarter of his career, predicting five

1744
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:11,120
Speaker 2: more seasons of Bill, five more seasons.

1745
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:13,080
Speaker 9: I don't even know Bill wants to coach for five

1746
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:13,679
Speaker 9: more seasons.

1747
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:15,920
Speaker 2: Kidding, yeah, I mean two or three maybe, But.

1748
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:18,920
Speaker 9: That's just another seventy five, seventy six.

1749
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:22,360
Speaker 5: He's seventy one now, he'll be seventy two on April sixteenth.

1750
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:25,840
Speaker 9: Oh wow, look at you. My birthday too, Bill and

1751
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:28,000
Speaker 9: I did you guys share a birthday? And how did

1752
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:28,439
Speaker 9: I not know that?

1753
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 2: What Zodi is?

1754
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:30,360
Speaker 5: That Aris?

1755
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:31,599
Speaker 2: He's more of Ana.

1756
01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:34,519
Speaker 9: Really, I wouldn't take him as I don't know.

1757
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:34,920
Speaker 2: I saw it.

1758
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:36,680
Speaker 5: I don't, I mean in my I'm not. I mean

1759
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:39,760
Speaker 5: somewhere in the building's ears are perking up about like

1760
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:41,760
Speaker 5: a horoscope talk or she's gonna come flying in there.

1761
01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 5: I never really felt like an ares, but yeah, now

1762
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:46,120
Speaker 5: I do that, and I do the hoodie database.

1763
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:49,360
Speaker 2: That's what my special oh from Wisconsin. So as Bill

1764
01:16:49,439 --> 01:16:51,519
Speaker 2: comes back, he says, do you think we should go

1765
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:54,360
Speaker 2: back to Mac Jones, bring back to kill Harry? As

1766
01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:56,280
Speaker 2: long as we're doing things that don't work, we might

1767
01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:56,679
Speaker 2: as well.

1768
01:16:57,160 --> 01:16:59,680
Speaker 5: Wow, Matt Jones and nik kil having never worked at

1769
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:03,200
Speaker 5: least worked at one point long ago. But now I

1770
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:05,680
Speaker 5: don't I mean, going back to yesterday's conversation, I just

1771
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:08,800
Speaker 5: I wonder if if they do have to jettison Mac,

1772
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:10,759
Speaker 5: like if that's if to get him out.

1773
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 9: Of the I think, get him out of the mix

1774
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:14,200
Speaker 9: for his own sake too. Like it's I'm not just

1775
01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:16,519
Speaker 9: saying now, like kick him out the door, but like,

1776
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:17,719
Speaker 9: what do you think it could.

1777
01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:18,840
Speaker 5: Get for him if you trade, if you tried to

1778
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 5: trade him. I mean, that's sixth fifth something like that.

1779
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:25,280
Speaker 2: Not even uh Chad in Atlanta sounds like he's in denial.

1780
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:28,320
Speaker 2: It's gonna happen sometime. Mike Bill doesn't have the time

1781
01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:31,280
Speaker 2: to completely rebuild this team and make it competitive, come

1782
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:33,879
Speaker 2: to the dark side and rip the band aid off already.

1783
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 2: The longer Bill is here, the olderest philosophy gets Do

1784
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:39,280
Speaker 2: you really think he's gonna leave this team better? Than

1785
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:41,320
Speaker 2: he found it. Blow it up. Don't be scared.

1786
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:43,800
Speaker 5: Ah No, I mean, look I'm not I'm not like

1787
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 5: firmly and like he can't go. But I mean, I

1788
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:48,400
Speaker 5: I'll say that there's a part of me that's intrigued

1789
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:50,560
Speaker 5: despite all of the mistakes that he's made recently, of

1790
01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:52,560
Speaker 5: what he would do this offseason with this team, like

1791
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:54,880
Speaker 5: you know, with the money in the draft, and I

1792
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:55,519
Speaker 5: mean I'm.

1793
01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:57,040
Speaker 9: At sixteen defensive players.

1794
01:17:57,240 --> 01:17:58,600
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, but like you know, like we

1795
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 5: all make those jokes and like that know, but still,

1796
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:02,840
Speaker 5: like I mean, he has hit on some traff picks,

1797
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:05,080
Speaker 5: So I don't know, I mean, what would the philosophy be,

1798
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:07,840
Speaker 5: like what would he what would he do? What would

1799
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:08,640
Speaker 5: his actions tell you?

1800
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 2: As you said, what does he do?

1801
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:11,439
Speaker 3: You know?

1802
01:18:11,439 --> 01:18:12,160
Speaker 5: How does he write it?

1803
01:18:12,240 --> 01:18:14,559
Speaker 2: Mike g Reese had a you know, a spitball scenario

1804
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:19,000
Speaker 2: where Bill stays they bring back Josh with Bill O'Brien.

1805
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:23,840
Speaker 2: Bill completely hands the offense to them like it's yours.

1806
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:28,600
Speaker 2: So it's instead of Patricia and Judge, it's Josh McDaniels

1807
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:29,519
Speaker 2: and Bill O'Brien.

1808
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:32,280
Speaker 4: And now do they have a heavy hand and drafted offensive.

1809
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:34,960
Speaker 9: Yeah, they're like these are the guys we want the

1810
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:38,240
Speaker 9: head coaches of the offense. Yeah, But the problem with

1811
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:40,720
Speaker 9: that I find is, like, so would Josh be the

1812
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:42,280
Speaker 9: quarterbacks coach in that scenario?

1813
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:45,360
Speaker 2: Pretty much? I would think, right, And it just like.

1814
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:48,280
Speaker 9: There's a lot of cooks in that kitchen. Yeah, Like

1815
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:51,280
Speaker 9: that's the problem with that. Like I've thought of that too,

1816
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:54,080
Speaker 9: of like how can you pigeonhole Josh back into this

1817
01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:57,719
Speaker 9: whole thing? But like it's it's just a lot of cooks,

1818
01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:01,040
Speaker 9: And like their offenses are very very similar, like probably

1819
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:05,400
Speaker 9: ninety five percent similar, but that little five percent is

1820
01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:08,320
Speaker 9: like some stylistic differences that are pretty major. Like Bill

1821
01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 9: O'Brien doesn't like a fullback Josh McDaniels does, Like is

1822
01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:13,200
Speaker 9: that who you know? How are they going to be

1823
01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:15,160
Speaker 9: two back? Are they gonna be gun? Like where are

1824
01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:15,880
Speaker 9: they gonna go with that?

1825
01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:16,519
Speaker 5: Like that?

1826
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 9: Those are big difference.

1827
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:19,840
Speaker 5: I mean, how would you feel, Evan though, if Billy Oh,

1828
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:22,400
Speaker 5: let's just say left for college season ends, Billy Oh

1829
01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:24,920
Speaker 5: takes a head coaching job in college and they bring

1830
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:26,880
Speaker 5: in somebody that gives you, I don't have a name,

1831
01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:29,200
Speaker 5: but like gives you that you're like, this guy's interesting

1832
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:32,160
Speaker 5: like it's it's out off the beaten path. It's not

1833
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:34,720
Speaker 5: you know, and and we have an introduction party and

1834
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:36,680
Speaker 5: it's like a big deal that you know, and we're

1835
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:39,120
Speaker 5: not worried about Oh it's another new offense for mackets,

1836
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 5: going to be a new quarterback, so you know, we

1837
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:43,599
Speaker 5: can get away from from worrying about all the new coordinators.

1838
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:45,599
Speaker 5: But you know what I mean, like what about something

1839
01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:47,479
Speaker 5: like that where it's all right, this offense is now

1840
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:48,519
Speaker 5: really going to change a lot.

1841
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:52,680
Speaker 2: So somebody who's interesting. So like in San Francisco every night,

1842
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:55,640
Speaker 2: like this whiteboard, they come in in the morning and

1843
01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:58,400
Speaker 2: somebody has written these really cool plays on it's like

1844
01:19:58,439 --> 01:19:59,200
Speaker 2: goodwill hunting.

1845
01:19:59,720 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 1: You know.

1846
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:00,960
Speaker 2: When they discover this.

1847
01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:03,160
Speaker 5: Kid, right, you know who was that would be like

1848
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:05,400
Speaker 5: Evan's stream, Like Evan like after hours in here, he's

1849
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:05,920
Speaker 5: like sneaking in.

1850
01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:07,800
Speaker 2: He's just like draw something up on the board and then.

1851
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:08,320
Speaker 1: He leaves and like.

1852
01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:13,240
Speaker 9: This, you know, you can throw down the field off

1853
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:15,360
Speaker 9: in RPO. I didn't know that. Uh no, I think

1854
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:19,120
Speaker 9: the issue that I like, that's a good idea in theory,

1855
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:20,800
Speaker 9: But then that guy's just going to become a head

1856
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:23,920
Speaker 9: coach someplace else in like two years. So that's I

1857
01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:27,160
Speaker 9: think as much as Bill Brian hasn't fixed everything, I

1858
01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:29,120
Speaker 9: think part of the reason why he was appealing was

1859
01:20:29,160 --> 01:20:32,000
Speaker 9: because he's going to take a while for him to

1860
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:34,200
Speaker 9: build up his resume again to be a head coach

1861
01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:34,920
Speaker 9: again somewhere.

1862
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:36,400
Speaker 5: But if he's good enough to be a head coach,

1863
01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:38,639
Speaker 5: doesn't that mean he's like they're good, Like it's.

1864
01:20:38,520 --> 01:20:39,200
Speaker 2: Working like that.

1865
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:41,280
Speaker 9: Yeah, But if he's not going to be your head coach,

1866
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:45,519
Speaker 9: then you're just recycling offensive coordinator again, like he as.

1867
01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:47,720
Speaker 5: A quarterback coach that you promote and then he like

1868
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:50,040
Speaker 5: and then you got a cycle going on the offensive side.

1869
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:51,479
Speaker 5: So I mean, but you're saying, like you don't want

1870
01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:53,640
Speaker 5: to hire another offensive cordiat unless he promises to be

1871
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:55,759
Speaker 5: here forever and ever and then no gives the backs

1872
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:58,160
Speaker 5: He's like, I mean, it's just as hard, Like, you know, that's.

1873
01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:01,680
Speaker 9: Why I want an offensive head coach so that there is.

1874
01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 2: No because you can cycle through the coordinators.

1875
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:07,479
Speaker 9: But yeah, like I just think that you know, if

1876
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:10,840
Speaker 9: Ben Johnson's your head coach, then that's your offensive play

1877
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:14,120
Speaker 9: caller and your offensive coordinator hopefully for the next like

1878
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:16,800
Speaker 9: ten years, right, Like that's what you're hoping for and

1879
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:20,040
Speaker 9: a defensive lead, whether it's Gerrod or somebody else. Like

1880
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:22,960
Speaker 9: I'm more okay with figuring that side of the ball

1881
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:26,320
Speaker 9: out every couple of years than having to completely recycle offense.

1882
01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:28,240
Speaker 9: I mean, I even think you look around the league,

1883
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:30,719
Speaker 9: like Jalen Hurts is having a lot of problems without

1884
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:34,479
Speaker 9: Shane Steichen, Josh Allen's having a lot of problems without

1885
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 9: Brian Dable. Like those guys leave homes and you're just yeah,

1886
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:40,439
Speaker 9: mahomes with Pienemy another good one, Like now you know,

1887
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:41,639
Speaker 9: now those guys are gone.

1888
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:44,840
Speaker 2: And Andy reidsive head coach.

1889
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:48,080
Speaker 9: I think Andy Reid like is what I wish that

1890
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:52,000
Speaker 9: Bill would be, which is like Andy Reid gives he

1891
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 9: has Steve Spagnola, who's basically a head coach running his defense,

1892
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:57,240
Speaker 9: and then he had b Enemy running the offense. And

1893
01:21:57,320 --> 01:21:59,320
Speaker 9: all Andy Reid had to do was do cool stuff,

1894
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:03,400
Speaker 9: like he just come in. He'd watch the film, he'd commercials,

1895
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:07,960
Speaker 9: he'd game plan, he'd like draw ridiculous like plays and

1896
01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:09,680
Speaker 9: stuff like that and be like, oh, why don't we

1897
01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:12,400
Speaker 9: just like run this one day? And like that was

1898
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:14,559
Speaker 9: just his job was just to just kind of come

1899
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:17,560
Speaker 9: in and just do like have fun with it and

1900
01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:20,120
Speaker 9: just draw stuff and cook stuff up in the kitchen,

1901
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:22,479
Speaker 9: and he didn't have to worry about all the little

1902
01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:25,439
Speaker 9: nitty gritty details. And then he had Brett Veitch running

1903
01:22:25,479 --> 01:22:28,600
Speaker 9: personnel like that. That was That was Andy Reid. And

1904
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:31,200
Speaker 9: now he's had to go back to his roots of

1905
01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 9: coordinating an offense and it hasn't necessarily gone very well.

1906
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 2: Kyle and pembroke this week. And I was one of

1907
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:39,360
Speaker 2: those doomsday people when it came to the draft. However,

1908
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:42,679
Speaker 2: I looked inside myself and found my inner Patriots fans.

1909
01:22:43,080 --> 01:22:46,320
Speaker 2: Beating Buffalo, ruining their playoff push and keeping the dominant

1910
01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:49,560
Speaker 2: streak going against the Jets would taste so sweet and

1911
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:51,920
Speaker 2: would be a great end to this miserable, no good,

1912
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:55,000
Speaker 2: rotten season. So from here on out, I'm no longer

1913
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:56,280
Speaker 2: rooting for the Tank. There you go.

1914
01:22:56,680 --> 01:22:58,640
Speaker 5: Well, that was a little bit of my feeling of just,

1915
01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 5: you know, remembering how frustrated the twenty thirteen and twenty

1916
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 5: fifteen AFC Championships games where the.

1917
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:04,960
Speaker 2: You know, the the Harper's moth.

1918
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:08,519
Speaker 5: I mean, like you you kind of killed the Denver

1919
01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:10,960
Speaker 5: Broncos season last week, Like I mean, I kind of

1920
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:14,080
Speaker 5: take some enjoyment of that. And like you watch football

1921
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:17,000
Speaker 5: to enjoy watching football, you don't watch football to enjoy

1922
01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:20,519
Speaker 5: hopefully the draft pick. Like hopefully because God knows that

1923
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:22,680
Speaker 5: even if you tank for the draft pick, they might

1924
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:25,479
Speaker 5: not take the guy you want anyway. So just I

1925
01:23:25,560 --> 01:23:27,080
Speaker 5: can take some enjoyment from watching.

1926
01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:30,719
Speaker 2: Matthew and New Mexico says, everyone crying about winning against

1927
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:33,479
Speaker 2: the Broncos and hurting our draft position should really stop

1928
01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:38,160
Speaker 2: watching the Patriots. You aren't a real fan, I agree. Wow, Wow,

1929
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:42,559
Speaker 2: speaking of real fans. Eldred in North Carolina? What's up? Eldred?

1930
01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:43,720
Speaker 10: Hey?

1931
01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:49,160
Speaker 12: All right, Hi, you've got to be kidding me, right,

1932
01:23:49,680 --> 01:23:51,599
Speaker 12: I mean you really got to be kids?

1933
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:53,360
Speaker 2: Why what about what to do?

1934
01:23:53,479 --> 01:23:57,200
Speaker 12: Three more years? Three more years to keep you for

1935
01:23:57,240 --> 01:23:59,559
Speaker 12: the last six say that? Relaxing man?

1936
01:23:59,680 --> 01:24:02,800
Speaker 2: Dude? When did I say that? I don't even know.

1937
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:03,880
Speaker 2: I'm just making you.

1938
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:06,120
Speaker 12: Tell you you're talking about Keith Bill See what he

1939
01:24:06,200 --> 01:24:06,920
Speaker 12: gonna do this year?

1940
01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:07,599
Speaker 2: After?

1941
01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:07,920
Speaker 10: You know?

1942
01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:13,000
Speaker 5: I mean no, all right, I mean make me too.

1943
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:15,400
Speaker 5: But you you you would have no interest at all

1944
01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:17,559
Speaker 5: in seeing what Bill would do with all the resources

1945
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:18,320
Speaker 5: they have this I.

1946
01:24:18,280 --> 01:24:21,599
Speaker 12: Haven't seen enough what Bill undone. I don't feel enough,

1947
01:24:22,280 --> 01:24:25,040
Speaker 12: you know, I mean done. Yeah, he's the greatest coach

1948
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:29,240
Speaker 12: of all time, but done the part he's the greatest coach.

1949
01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:32,639
Speaker 12: We had the greatest player of all time. It's costed

1950
01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:34,800
Speaker 12: left what constant left?

1951
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:35,360
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1952
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:38,439
Speaker 12: And what you got now out of his own words,

1953
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:41,960
Speaker 12: I could take any fifteenth quarterback and winning my sister,

1954
01:24:42,240 --> 01:24:46,120
Speaker 12: all right, you got to you ain't one nan, Yeah, Okay,

1955
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:48,799
Speaker 12: that's the constant. That's the constant.

1956
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:48,960
Speaker 7: Bro.

1957
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:49,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1958
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:52,120
Speaker 5: Well but let me ask you. Let me ask you

1959
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:54,960
Speaker 5: a question, al drib I mean how much? And that's

1960
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:56,840
Speaker 5: just a real question because we talked about it earlier, like.

1961
01:24:58,439 --> 01:24:59,200
Speaker 2: Do you think Tom.

1962
01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:02,559
Speaker 5: Brady was like, way, way, way way better than Peyton

1963
01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:04,680
Speaker 5: Manning and Patrick mahonone, Like do you think that he is?

1964
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:07,280
Speaker 2: Like because I just I do think And it's the librawise.

1965
01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:09,080
Speaker 2: So you think that like Tom Brady.

1966
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:10,960
Speaker 12: He might not have been athletic. He might have been

1967
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:15,439
Speaker 12: athletic as far as picking people apart, yes, doing what

1968
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:18,720
Speaker 12: but the ball yet even with taker toys instead of

1969
01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:22,360
Speaker 12: the ferraris and the BLI mcgeine is everybody head.

1970
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:25,040
Speaker 2: So you think the Patriots would have been better without

1971
01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:26,720
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick over the last twenty years.

1972
01:25:29,640 --> 01:25:37,200
Speaker 12: Maybe coaching wise, yeah, coach coach, yeah. NFL facts. NFL facts.

1973
01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:41,600
Speaker 12: You ain't gotta believe. Look it up every time, but

1974
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:45,960
Speaker 12: Hallifaian quarterback leaves the NFL team that same coaches there,

1975
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:49,280
Speaker 12: it takes them five to ten maybe longer to get

1976
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:50,320
Speaker 12: back coming.

1977
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:54,000
Speaker 2: It not every time. Yes, yes, sir, what forty nine

1978
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:55,720
Speaker 2: ers Montana left? They had?

1979
01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:57,200
Speaker 12: Yeah, the party.

1980
01:25:57,920 --> 01:26:01,160
Speaker 2: What about the when Joe left went they won a

1981
01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:01,639
Speaker 2: super Bowl?

1982
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:04,280
Speaker 12: If you an't had the same team, it took him

1983
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:07,360
Speaker 12: four years with the same team. The four years after

1984
01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:09,400
Speaker 12: my general left, I thought they won.

1985
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:13,280
Speaker 5: What about they went after that?

1986
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:17,559
Speaker 2: Yeah? After that? After that, well, you know you're talking

1987
01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:20,559
Speaker 2: about winning a super Bowl, but they were winning. They

1988
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:23,880
Speaker 2: were in the playoffs and contending every year. You know,

1989
01:26:24,160 --> 01:26:28,240
Speaker 2: like winning a super Bowl is really hard year. No,

1990
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:31,000
Speaker 2: we're not, But I'm just saying it's not right. It

1991
01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:31,680
Speaker 2: doesn't have to.

1992
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:34,640
Speaker 12: It had down that quarterback lead every time that it

1993
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:37,439
Speaker 12: ain't the coach, it's the quarterback. Look it up.

1994
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:40,679
Speaker 5: I understand that, Eldrid. But what makes the Patriots unique

1995
01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:43,880
Speaker 5: was that they sustained success for twenty years. They went

1996
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:46,640
Speaker 5: twenty years, So that was why my question was is

1997
01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 5: that you responded the right way, like you just think

1998
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:52,000
Speaker 5: that Tom Brady is head and should because Peyton Manning

1999
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:54,080
Speaker 5: didn't get he wasn't great for twenty years. I mean,

2000
01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:56,280
Speaker 5: Patrick Mahomes. It's looking a little dicey right now. So

2001
01:26:56,640 --> 01:26:58,599
Speaker 5: you know, my my just contention is that, and I'm

2002
01:26:58,600 --> 01:27:00,559
Speaker 5: not giving Bill all the credit, but I'm saying Bill

2003
01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:03,400
Speaker 5: deserves credit for maintaining the team for twenty years. It

2004
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:06,920
Speaker 5: wasn't just Tom Brady being two thousand times, but.

2005
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:08,960
Speaker 12: Like I said, was on the field.

2006
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:10,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, of.

2007
01:27:10,160 --> 01:27:12,360
Speaker 5: Course, Like nobody's arguing that, like the coach and the

2008
01:27:12,439 --> 01:27:13,439
Speaker 5: quarterback are equals.

2009
01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:17,080
Speaker 12: No one's arguing that, Okay, and I gotta get to

2010
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:19,880
Speaker 12: defense to put the players the tradition with the defense

2011
01:27:20,120 --> 01:27:23,000
Speaker 12: coaching wise, Yeah, but like I said, you can't coach

2012
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:24,200
Speaker 12: if you ain't got the player.

2013
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:25,719
Speaker 2: No, it's true. It's true.

2014
01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:29,480
Speaker 12: Players like we had the last five years, just clipboard.

2015
01:27:30,040 --> 01:27:32,680
Speaker 2: It's true. But you couldn't You could all make the

2016
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:35,000
Speaker 2: also make the case if it wasn't for Tom Brady,

2017
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:37,840
Speaker 2: Peyton Manning might have had the same run of dominance

2018
01:27:38,240 --> 01:27:40,920
Speaker 2: because they were winning every year and it was the

2019
01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:44,200
Speaker 2: Patriots stopping them. You know, getting in the way, you know,

2020
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:47,519
Speaker 2: And it wasn't always Tom Brady beating Peyton Manning. It

2021
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:51,000
Speaker 2: was the Patriots defense beating Peyton Manning Pittsburgh, you know,

2022
01:27:51,240 --> 01:27:52,479
Speaker 2: or you know the other loss.

2023
01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:56,840
Speaker 12: Well, I mean just back then, back then offense you

2024
01:27:56,880 --> 01:27:59,240
Speaker 12: can count of the bed doing thirty points.

2025
01:27:59,240 --> 01:28:01,360
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, not all the time. I mean, you know,

2026
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:03,840
Speaker 2: you won a lot of games in the twenties against

2027
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:07,840
Speaker 2: the Colts too, But I I know, I mean, I

2028
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:10,880
Speaker 2: just I think it's been proven that Tom Brady was

2029
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:13,280
Speaker 2: the key, you know, he was the key.

2030
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 9: And I don't and I don't think that Bill they

2031
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:18,960
Speaker 9: would disagree with that, like he like, he's all I

2032
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:21,479
Speaker 9: think he's pretty much always agree with that. And I

2033
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:24,559
Speaker 9: understand that people think that maybe deep down he feels differently,

2034
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:27,640
Speaker 9: and that's just his publicly what he's saying. But I

2035
01:28:28,120 --> 01:28:31,600
Speaker 9: just think that this revision is history now because the

2036
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:34,000
Speaker 9: last couple of years now we're going to say that

2037
01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:36,559
Speaker 9: Bill wasn't actually a good coach, like for twenty years

2038
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:39,280
Speaker 9: here and and he you know, it was all Brady Like.

2039
01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:41,560
Speaker 9: That's just the pushback that I always have with it.

2040
01:28:41,880 --> 01:28:44,800
Speaker 9: Of course it was mostly Brady, of course, Brady is

2041
01:28:45,320 --> 01:28:47,800
Speaker 9: the goat. Like, no one's arguing that point. Like the

2042
01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:50,040
Speaker 9: point is is that now we're just looking back and

2043
01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:52,400
Speaker 9: we're saying, oh, actually Bill had nothing to do with it.

2044
01:28:52,520 --> 01:28:54,400
Speaker 9: He wasn't a good coach or whatever, Like come on.

2045
01:28:54,520 --> 01:28:56,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, well then that's you know, like do you think

2046
01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:58,800
Speaker 5: that San Francisco is engaged in debates about was it

2047
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:02,000
Speaker 5: walsher Montana? Like yeah, Bill Walsh has his special place

2048
01:29:02,040 --> 01:29:04,439
Speaker 5: in an NFL history offense he created and you know

2049
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:05,000
Speaker 5: the job.

2050
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:06,720
Speaker 2: That he did, and Joe Montana has his place too,

2051
01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:08,880
Speaker 2: But why do you think that is? Though? That's interesting,

2052
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:12,280
Speaker 2: Like why isn't there a debate in San Francisco about

2053
01:29:12,280 --> 01:29:15,960
Speaker 2: who was more response? Social media didn't exist in the eighties.

2054
01:29:16,120 --> 01:29:19,240
Speaker 2: Do you think it's social media or do you think

2055
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:23,040
Speaker 2: it was the personalities of those two people's.

2056
01:29:22,479 --> 01:29:25,439
Speaker 5: That's maybe that's very possible too that I mean, you know, Walsh,

2057
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:27,680
Speaker 5: I know he's kind of had that you know, grandfatherly

2058
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:30,320
Speaker 5: kind of figure, but you know the same thing with

2059
01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:34,080
Speaker 5: Troy Yikman, Jimmy Johnson, like you know, or Mahomes right now,

2060
01:29:34,200 --> 01:29:36,040
Speaker 5: like you know, what what is this going to look like?

2061
01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:38,479
Speaker 5: If if if Kansas City kind of evens out and

2062
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:40,840
Speaker 5: they're not really that dominant anymore. I mean, they're certainly

2063
01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:42,759
Speaker 5: always going to be good. I look, I think Patrick

2064
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:44,200
Speaker 5: Mahomes is the best quarterback still in the.

2065
01:29:44,240 --> 01:29:44,760
Speaker 2: League right now.

2066
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:46,880
Speaker 5: But I think you're just getting a little bit of

2067
01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:49,439
Speaker 5: a glimpse of that. Everyone just seemed like, oh, well,

2068
01:29:49,479 --> 01:29:51,280
Speaker 5: now the Chiefs are gonna have twenty years of success

2069
01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:53,639
Speaker 5: with Patrick Mahomes and and maybe they will, maybe they'll

2070
01:29:53,640 --> 01:29:55,240
Speaker 5: turn it around and they'll find some star players to

2071
01:29:56,479 --> 01:29:59,040
Speaker 5: Eldrid's point, But it's just I think it's you're seeing

2072
01:29:59,080 --> 01:30:01,439
Speaker 5: right now how hard it is is to sustain success

2073
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:01,920
Speaker 5: for that long.

2074
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:04,200
Speaker 2: And I give Bill a chunk of that credit.

2075
01:30:04,360 --> 01:30:06,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, And that's why I think the logical answer is

2076
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:09,439
Speaker 6: like neither one probably has the success without each other

2077
01:30:09,479 --> 01:30:09,880
Speaker 6: at times.

2078
01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:13,479
Speaker 5: And they said that too, Storm And and like I said,

2079
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:15,439
Speaker 5: like so much of this argument though, so much of

2080
01:30:15,479 --> 01:30:19,040
Speaker 5: this argument, like it relies completely on but what does

2081
01:30:19,080 --> 01:30:22,240
Speaker 5: Bill really think? Because deep down, deep down, it's all

2082
01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:23,920
Speaker 5: him in his mind, you know, and which I've never

2083
01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:25,880
Speaker 5: heard him say. And I know that, you know, you

2084
01:30:25,960 --> 01:30:27,880
Speaker 5: can give me all these examples of you know, why

2085
01:30:28,280 --> 01:30:30,240
Speaker 5: people think that that that's how he is and maybe

2086
01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:32,960
Speaker 5: he is. But all I've ever heard that man say

2087
01:30:33,240 --> 01:30:35,360
Speaker 5: is passing all credit goes to the players and saying

2088
01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:37,400
Speaker 5: those things. Now, you know, people say, oh, that's just

2089
01:30:37,439 --> 01:30:39,479
Speaker 5: lip service, and that's not what he really thinks. Fine,

2090
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:41,720
Speaker 5: if you want to believe that, that's great, But I've

2091
01:30:41,800 --> 01:30:43,240
Speaker 5: never heard him do anything but but give all the

2092
01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:43,880
Speaker 5: credits to the player.

2093
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:46,479
Speaker 2: The thing that people under you know, don't give him

2094
01:30:46,520 --> 01:30:49,760
Speaker 2: enough credit for is just just keeping it together, you know,

2095
01:30:49,960 --> 01:30:52,719
Speaker 2: during that whole time. You know, like we talked earlier

2096
01:30:52,760 --> 01:30:56,360
Speaker 2: about the whole Alex Guerrero situation with the Patriots, another

2097
01:30:56,479 --> 01:31:00,360
Speaker 2: coach or GM might have not been able to handle

2098
01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:02,599
Speaker 2: that and it could have ripped the team totally apart

2099
01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:06,519
Speaker 2: where it's unsalvageable. But Bill, you know, even though it

2100
01:31:06,640 --> 01:31:10,080
Speaker 2: was rough going, he navigated through that in you know,

2101
01:31:10,280 --> 01:31:14,280
Speaker 2: fourteen sixteen eight. You know they won again. Yeah, you know,

2102
01:31:14,439 --> 01:31:17,439
Speaker 2: after all of that. But like I said, a weaker

2103
01:31:18,080 --> 01:31:20,479
Speaker 2: head coach last GM may not have been able to

2104
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:22,320
Speaker 2: do that, may not have been able to keep it together,

2105
01:31:22,720 --> 01:31:24,280
Speaker 2: and it could have just destroyed the team.

2106
01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:26,280
Speaker 5: I mean, I think about the weir on the Cincinnati

2107
01:31:26,360 --> 01:31:28,599
Speaker 5: point and like that point of the fourteenth season. When

2108
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:31,600
Speaker 5: I mean for me before this, that was like the

2109
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:34,200
Speaker 5: inflection point of like is it over? That was one

2110
01:31:34,240 --> 01:31:35,840
Speaker 5: of the real and I mean then that was a

2111
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:37,920
Speaker 5: team then that what went to the next four of

2112
01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:40,960
Speaker 5: five Super Bowls and won three of them. So you know,

2113
01:31:41,080 --> 01:31:43,360
Speaker 5: it's it's a lesser coach might have lost the team

2114
01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:45,200
Speaker 5: at that point, but you know they and but look

2115
01:31:45,280 --> 01:31:46,600
Speaker 5: like let's just bring it back to what it was

2116
01:31:46,640 --> 01:31:49,360
Speaker 5: really about. Yeah, Gronk, you had Dante high Tower, you

2117
01:31:49,479 --> 01:31:52,639
Speaker 5: had star players that made big plays in the biggest moments,

2118
01:31:52,720 --> 01:31:55,519
Speaker 5: and he drafted those players, developed those players. You know,

2119
01:31:55,800 --> 01:31:58,320
Speaker 5: those players get the credit for those wins. But still

2120
01:31:58,400 --> 01:31:59,599
Speaker 5: that's what I do. They work and win.

2121
01:32:00,040 --> 01:32:01,719
Speaker 9: And I think Brady has said this in the past

2122
01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:06,000
Speaker 9: two like he Bill deserves so much credit for Brady period,

2123
01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:08,800
Speaker 9: Like just like he's a six round pick and he

2124
01:32:08,920 --> 01:32:11,320
Speaker 9: puts him in in two thousand and one, then he

2125
01:32:11,400 --> 01:32:14,760
Speaker 9: sticks with him after two thousand and one, and it

2126
01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:16,800
Speaker 9: wasn't you know, Bill said to himself, it wasn't really

2127
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:21,160
Speaker 9: until like three that Brady takes off. And is you

2128
01:32:21,240 --> 01:32:25,120
Speaker 9: know Brady at that point And I just don't a

2129
01:32:25,200 --> 01:32:27,479
Speaker 9: lot of other organizations. He probably never even gets a

2130
01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:31,200
Speaker 9: chance to play. But Bill saw it in practice and

2131
01:32:31,320 --> 01:32:35,080
Speaker 9: saw the work ethic and saw the ability and all

2132
01:32:35,160 --> 01:32:37,360
Speaker 9: that kind of stuff, and he took a chance on

2133
01:32:37,479 --> 01:32:40,439
Speaker 9: him and it was probably the best lottery ticket that

2134
01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:41,639
Speaker 9: anybody's ever had.

2135
01:32:41,760 --> 01:32:44,120
Speaker 5: As Brady said, you have a coach with you know,

2136
01:32:44,560 --> 01:32:47,280
Speaker 5: we say what you will, but an unparalleled knowledge of

2137
01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:50,400
Speaker 5: NFL history and all that pouring into him for those

2138
01:32:50,439 --> 01:32:52,400
Speaker 5: first two seasons, you know, even the season when he

2139
01:32:52,520 --> 01:32:54,920
Speaker 5: sat like, you know, it's it's I mean, that's that's

2140
01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:56,680
Speaker 5: all part of it. But nobody's sitting here trying to

2141
01:32:56,720 --> 01:32:59,320
Speaker 5: say that the dynasty is a fifty to fifty split, right,

2142
01:32:59,320 --> 01:32:59,680
Speaker 5: but you know.

2143
01:33:00,160 --> 01:33:03,599
Speaker 2: All we know, like that scenario with Bledsoe and Brady

2144
01:33:03,960 --> 01:33:06,599
Speaker 2: could be one of the receipts that Bill is keeping.

2145
01:33:06,760 --> 01:33:09,439
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, you wanted to sign Bledsoe to one

2146
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:12,120
Speaker 2: hundred million dollar contract. Remember I said you shouldn't do it?

2147
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:15,040
Speaker 5: Yeah? You know, did he not did anything?

2148
01:33:15,080 --> 01:33:17,599
Speaker 2: That's a yeah, Well, legend has it that Bill wasn't

2149
01:33:17,640 --> 01:33:19,599
Speaker 2: on board with that. Yeah, And that was an ownership

2150
01:33:19,680 --> 01:33:20,559
Speaker 2: thing We're given him.

2151
01:33:21,960 --> 01:33:24,559
Speaker 6: If we do run him out of town, like you're

2152
01:33:24,640 --> 01:33:26,760
Speaker 6: damned if you do. You're damned if you don't in

2153
01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:29,040
Speaker 6: a way. I think Mike made a good point earlier.

2154
01:33:29,120 --> 01:33:31,920
Speaker 6: With all the logistics of this offseason, the cap space,

2155
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:35,200
Speaker 6: the draft pick, do you really want to just bring

2156
01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:37,280
Speaker 6: in a new guy, let him handle all of that,

2157
01:33:37,479 --> 01:33:38,800
Speaker 6: and then what if it's not the right guy?

2158
01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:41,799
Speaker 2: And then we're looking in hindsight like it's possible wrap.

2159
01:33:41,800 --> 01:33:45,400
Speaker 6: We had at least we knew what we had going

2160
01:33:45,479 --> 01:33:47,759
Speaker 6: into managing all that, So it's.

2161
01:33:47,720 --> 01:33:50,000
Speaker 5: Like, if it doesn't work out, it's back Elgar, We're

2162
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:50,559
Speaker 5: bringing him back.

2163
01:33:51,160 --> 01:33:54,920
Speaker 2: But now they could be thinking that, and they could

2164
01:33:54,960 --> 01:33:58,000
Speaker 2: also be saying, but bringing in Mayo keeps some of

2165
01:33:58,040 --> 01:34:01,320
Speaker 2: that continuity in that structure. Yeah, for sure.

2166
01:34:01,560 --> 01:34:04,360
Speaker 5: You know, I think the quite a good question is

2167
01:34:04,439 --> 01:34:05,400
Speaker 5: you know, what do you want to keep?

2168
01:34:05,560 --> 01:34:06,080
Speaker 2: Like what you know?

2169
01:34:06,120 --> 01:34:08,400
Speaker 5: I'm just saying philosophically, what you know. I think like

2170
01:34:08,479 --> 01:34:11,760
Speaker 5: we could probably all agree like the defense is well constructed,

2171
01:34:12,680 --> 01:34:14,320
Speaker 5: they would be. I mean, I would have loved to

2172
01:34:14,360 --> 01:34:16,439
Speaker 5: have seen them this year with Judonna and Gonzalez and

2173
01:34:16,880 --> 01:34:18,840
Speaker 5: you know, I know those states that's unrealistic every year

2174
01:34:18,840 --> 01:34:20,840
Speaker 5: their injuries, but you know, look there've been I.

2175
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:23,599
Speaker 2: Think's were constructed, but I also think there were also well.

2176
01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:25,759
Speaker 5: Coached and they're and there and then players are blossoming,

2177
01:34:25,840 --> 01:34:27,360
Speaker 5: right Like. I mean, that was one of my biggest

2178
01:34:27,479 --> 01:34:30,280
Speaker 5: arguments going into this season, was that just guys aren't blossoming.

2179
01:34:30,320 --> 01:34:31,920
Speaker 5: I mean, Barmore kind of had a slow start. I

2180
01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:34,639
Speaker 5: mean I remember early in the season being like, crap,

2181
01:34:34,720 --> 01:34:36,400
Speaker 5: we thought we had a star in the making. And

2182
01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:39,519
Speaker 5: you know, now you're seeing guys like Peppers and Tavai

2183
01:34:39,760 --> 01:34:41,439
Speaker 5: and you know, guys that they've kind of picked up

2184
01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:44,000
Speaker 5: like they usually did off the scrap heap of other

2185
01:34:44,080 --> 01:34:46,200
Speaker 5: teams or you know, targeted trades that all this doesn't

2186
01:34:46,240 --> 01:34:48,040
Speaker 5: make sense at the time, but you know, you are

2187
01:34:48,120 --> 01:34:51,200
Speaker 5: actually seeing some players now, admittedly on the defensive side

2188
01:34:51,200 --> 01:34:54,080
Speaker 5: of the ball, blossoming, and that to me is how

2189
01:34:54,120 --> 01:34:55,639
Speaker 5: you get out of it. Again, Like, if you can't

2190
01:34:55,720 --> 01:34:57,479
Speaker 5: draft them, you got to develop them. So they've they've

2191
01:34:57,520 --> 01:35:01,080
Speaker 5: had some solid development this year, but it's restricted mostly

2192
01:35:01,120 --> 01:35:02,759
Speaker 5: to the defensive Sidey, it's.

2193
01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:06,600
Speaker 9: All about offense and offensive philosophy. I just in personnel

2194
01:35:06,680 --> 01:35:08,639
Speaker 9: on that side of the ball. I just I don't

2195
01:35:08,680 --> 01:35:13,280
Speaker 9: feel like he's in tune with building a modern offense

2196
01:35:13,800 --> 01:35:17,960
Speaker 9: with a modern quarterback with skill players, Like now, you

2197
01:35:18,040 --> 01:35:20,519
Speaker 9: know the fact that they drafted a quarterback in the

2198
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:23,680
Speaker 9: first round and they had him on the rookie contract

2199
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:26,120
Speaker 9: and never took a big swing at a wide receiver

2200
01:35:26,640 --> 01:35:30,519
Speaker 9: for three years is crazy. Like that's absolutely crazy. I mean,

2201
01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:32,800
Speaker 9: just look at every other team in the way that

2202
01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:36,160
Speaker 9: they've built around the quarterback. Like Miami has two of them,

2203
01:35:36,280 --> 01:35:38,320
Speaker 9: you know, the Philly has two of them. Like they

2204
01:35:38,640 --> 01:35:41,200
Speaker 9: used a first round pick on Smith, and they traded

2205
01:35:41,280 --> 01:35:43,320
Speaker 9: a first round pick for AJ Brown and then paid

2206
01:35:43,400 --> 01:35:46,559
Speaker 9: a J Brown like and you know, all these different

2207
01:35:46,600 --> 01:35:49,840
Speaker 9: types of things, like all these teams you know, allen

2208
01:35:49,960 --> 01:35:53,000
Speaker 9: with digs and go on down the board, and the

2209
01:35:53,080 --> 01:35:55,720
Speaker 9: fact that they never felt the need to make that

2210
01:35:55,920 --> 01:35:57,400
Speaker 9: move is crazy.

2211
01:35:57,520 --> 01:35:59,840
Speaker 2: Totally agree. I mean, Kansas City may be ruining the

2212
01:36:00,040 --> 01:36:01,120
Speaker 2: fact that they haven't done that.

2213
01:36:01,240 --> 01:36:03,120
Speaker 5: They yeah or now then now they're you know they

2214
01:36:03,280 --> 01:36:05,360
Speaker 5: but they same thing that the Patriots tried to do.

2215
01:36:05,439 --> 01:36:07,400
Speaker 2: We find you have some distressed assets, they don't have

2216
01:36:07,560 --> 01:36:08,040
Speaker 2: some talent.

2217
01:36:08,439 --> 01:36:10,240
Speaker 5: But I mean it's it's funny because it's like you

2218
01:36:10,280 --> 01:36:12,360
Speaker 5: look at O seven and like the team building of

2219
01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:14,760
Speaker 5: that offseason and like not like I remember they sign

2220
01:36:14,840 --> 01:36:17,639
Speaker 5: Dante Stalworth and being like oh nice, like that would

2221
01:36:17,920 --> 01:36:20,360
Speaker 5: like No, it's like Welker and Moss and I mean

2222
01:36:20,400 --> 01:36:23,200
Speaker 5: they they over invested in offense, and so you know,

2223
01:36:23,360 --> 01:36:24,680
Speaker 5: is it I mean, he's done it before. Is it

2224
01:36:24,760 --> 01:36:27,080
Speaker 5: crazy to think that maybe that would be the focus.

2225
01:36:27,160 --> 01:36:30,080
Speaker 9: But even then when they like those were even kind

2226
01:36:30,160 --> 01:36:32,200
Speaker 9: of discounted players though, right, they.

2227
01:36:32,080 --> 01:36:32,840
Speaker 5: Didn't know what they had.

2228
01:36:33,280 --> 01:36:35,800
Speaker 2: I mean, they thought Welker was good, but he hadn't

2229
01:36:35,800 --> 01:36:38,640
Speaker 2: really proven it yet. And Moss came here with the

2230
01:36:38,760 --> 01:36:43,840
Speaker 2: dog label from the Raiders, and you know, he rejuvenated

2231
01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:44,680
Speaker 2: his career here.

2232
01:36:44,840 --> 01:36:47,599
Speaker 9: He really only lasted with Moss like, yeah, two years,

2233
01:36:48,760 --> 01:36:50,800
Speaker 9: you're great, they were good two years. It's a great point.

2234
01:36:50,880 --> 01:36:53,320
Speaker 5: I would just say, at least they recognized that we

2235
01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:55,800
Speaker 5: have to overstock the offense, like we you know, we

2236
01:36:55,880 --> 01:36:58,280
Speaker 5: got out of six and we just didn't have the

2237
01:36:58,439 --> 01:37:02,240
Speaker 5: horses to compete with men and the Colts basically, So

2238
01:37:02,439 --> 01:37:04,639
Speaker 5: you know, I mean it's just it's like, why can't.

2239
01:37:04,479 --> 01:37:06,559
Speaker 2: You always can we just take that again?

2240
01:37:06,680 --> 01:37:10,000
Speaker 9: The Bill O'Brien move had to be step number one, right,

2241
01:37:10,080 --> 01:37:11,720
Speaker 9: Like we all felt that way at the time. They

2242
01:37:11,800 --> 01:37:15,519
Speaker 9: had to bring in a experience, real offensive coordinator. But

2243
01:37:15,680 --> 01:37:17,639
Speaker 9: that that's kind of all they did. Like the rest

2244
01:37:17,720 --> 01:37:20,040
Speaker 9: of it was a lateral moves at best.

2245
01:37:20,160 --> 01:37:22,760
Speaker 2: Like, but dude, you you just said, you know, why

2246
01:37:22,800 --> 01:37:24,720
Speaker 2: can't they just do that again? Meaning what they did

2247
01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:27,880
Speaker 2: in O seven. But the point is, no, they didn't

2248
01:37:27,920 --> 01:37:30,160
Speaker 2: go after the top. Yeah, yeah, no, I underspend a

2249
01:37:30,200 --> 01:37:30,760
Speaker 2: lot of money.

2250
01:37:30,840 --> 01:37:32,479
Speaker 5: No, I understand, but I would just say, but the

2251
01:37:32,760 --> 01:37:35,800
Speaker 5: overlying philosophy, though, was that regardless of what they did

2252
01:37:35,920 --> 01:37:38,559
Speaker 5: or didn't spend, they knew they needed to go that direction.

2253
01:37:38,600 --> 01:37:40,360
Speaker 5: Well they know, and they would argue they did it

2254
01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:40,800
Speaker 5: their way.

2255
01:37:41,000 --> 01:37:43,639
Speaker 2: They would argue, we spent more money in free agency

2256
01:37:43,680 --> 01:37:47,200
Speaker 2: than anyone else had. It was mostly offensive players. Then

2257
01:37:47,200 --> 01:37:50,040
Speaker 2: the next year we brought in Parker that are, and

2258
01:37:50,120 --> 01:37:52,320
Speaker 2: then we brought in Jujus Shoes, you know, like we've

2259
01:37:52,320 --> 01:37:54,400
Speaker 2: been bringing in guys. But to your you know, it's

2260
01:37:54,479 --> 01:37:57,439
Speaker 2: not like you know, yeah, but the top. No, they

2261
01:37:57,439 --> 01:37:58,680
Speaker 2: didn't do what Miami did.

2262
01:37:58,840 --> 01:38:01,640
Speaker 5: And just like no, you know, yeah, I got I

2263
01:38:01,800 --> 01:38:03,599
Speaker 5: totally get what you're saying. But I think that there

2264
01:38:03,720 --> 01:38:06,120
Speaker 5: was you know, some smarts to it in like Welker

2265
01:38:06,320 --> 01:38:07,680
Speaker 5: like that move, you know what I mean, It's not

2266
01:38:07,840 --> 01:38:09,519
Speaker 5: I mean, you're right, you're not like going out and

2267
01:38:09,640 --> 01:38:11,360
Speaker 5: let's move a first round pick for this guy because

2268
01:38:11,360 --> 01:38:13,519
Speaker 5: we need him and they're gonna do things the way

2269
01:38:13,560 --> 01:38:14,160
Speaker 5: that they want.

2270
01:38:14,040 --> 01:38:14,360
Speaker 2: To do them.

2271
01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:16,719
Speaker 5: But I just I think it does it just illustrate

2272
01:38:16,800 --> 01:38:18,519
Speaker 5: that they they at least at that point, had an

2273
01:38:18,600 --> 01:38:21,280
Speaker 5: understanding of, like, we have to over invest in the

2274
01:38:21,360 --> 01:38:22,000
Speaker 5: offense this year.

2275
01:38:22,040 --> 01:38:23,880
Speaker 2: It can't just be a Juju Smith Schuster.

2276
01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:24,680
Speaker 5: It can't just be.

2277
01:38:25,120 --> 01:38:26,240
Speaker 2: DeVante Parker the crown.

2278
01:38:26,320 --> 01:38:28,360
Speaker 5: You know, it's like you get one, you know, like

2279
01:38:28,520 --> 01:38:31,120
Speaker 5: one Dante Stalwart Perosis, like that would kind of be

2280
01:38:31,200 --> 01:38:33,040
Speaker 5: what it would be, like he's a you know five,

2281
01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:36,720
Speaker 5: you know, fine, but if you don't have Gronk and

2282
01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:39,519
Speaker 5: Edelman making the making the stir and the straw on the.

2283
01:38:39,560 --> 01:38:42,360
Speaker 2: Drink, you know, like it's not gonna But again, i'll

2284
01:38:42,560 --> 01:38:46,040
Speaker 2: i'll Edelman was what a sixth round pick, so they

2285
01:38:46,040 --> 01:38:48,760
Speaker 2: didn't know what they had on him. They again, they

2286
01:38:49,120 --> 01:38:52,439
Speaker 2: didn't go after the top wide receiver in the draft

2287
01:38:52,640 --> 01:38:55,360
Speaker 2: to get Edelman. Gronk was a second round pick, and

2288
01:38:55,400 --> 01:38:58,720
Speaker 2: when they did, he was undervalued. It was because of

2289
01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:00,599
Speaker 2: his back. Now, that one, I think that was good

2290
01:39:00,680 --> 01:39:05,320
Speaker 2: scouting and just a perfect pick. But Edelman, like, yeah,

2291
01:39:05,439 --> 01:39:07,439
Speaker 2: he blossomed as a player. I just think that and

2292
01:39:07,560 --> 01:39:09,519
Speaker 2: he was able to learn because you had Welker on

2293
01:39:09,600 --> 01:39:10,200
Speaker 2: the team already.

2294
01:39:10,320 --> 01:39:14,600
Speaker 9: Yeah, in the market's changed, right, Like nowadays, these receivers

2295
01:39:14,640 --> 01:39:16,880
Speaker 9: are going earlier and earlier in the draft, and they're

2296
01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:19,400
Speaker 9: getting paid more than they were ten fifteen years ago.

2297
01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:23,160
Speaker 9: So you could get guys at that point in time

2298
01:39:23,400 --> 01:39:25,600
Speaker 9: for a lot less or later in the draft or

2299
01:39:25,640 --> 01:39:30,000
Speaker 9: something like that. Now, guys like you know, Marvin Harrison

2300
01:39:30,040 --> 01:39:32,479
Speaker 9: Junior is going to go like second overall, and then

2301
01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:35,519
Speaker 9: Roma Dunes from Washington's probably gonna go in the top

2302
01:39:35,600 --> 01:39:38,439
Speaker 9: twenty and so on and so forth. It's just that

2303
01:39:38,760 --> 01:39:42,559
Speaker 9: these receivers are just flying off boards in drafts now,

2304
01:39:42,840 --> 01:39:45,400
Speaker 9: and yeah, there's always going to be that a Puka

2305
01:39:45,479 --> 01:39:48,880
Speaker 9: Nikua like somewhere that follows through the cracks, but like,

2306
01:39:48,960 --> 01:39:51,800
Speaker 9: good luck trying to hit that needle in the haystack.

2307
01:39:51,960 --> 01:39:56,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, pre is an Indie. What's up, pre Hey?

2308
01:39:56,560 --> 01:40:01,200
Speaker 15: I was just calling in to say point on Bill Belichick.

2309
01:40:01,439 --> 01:40:05,120
Speaker 15: I think it's kind of ridiculous that like the disrespect

2310
01:40:05,200 --> 01:40:08,200
Speaker 15: he's getting, and I get it, like I wanted them

2311
01:40:08,240 --> 01:40:11,759
Speaker 15: to take Pickings. I wanted them to take Alex Peers.

2312
01:40:11,920 --> 01:40:15,560
Speaker 15: It's frustrating. I wanted them to keep Brady. But I

2313
01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:18,519
Speaker 15: feel like football is it's like chess on draft. We

2314
01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:21,599
Speaker 15: have the best chess master, so I feel like we'll

2315
01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:24,200
Speaker 15: never get anyone better. And that's my question to everyone

2316
01:40:24,320 --> 01:40:27,280
Speaker 15: that wants to gone is who will be better? Right

2317
01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:28,360
Speaker 15: than Bill Belichi?

2318
01:40:28,520 --> 01:40:28,720
Speaker 2: Great?

2319
01:40:28,720 --> 01:40:31,720
Speaker 9: Who would be better than four and eleven? You don't

2320
01:40:31,760 --> 01:40:34,040
Speaker 9: think any other coach in the league can can have

2321
01:40:34,120 --> 01:40:35,000
Speaker 9: a better record than that.

2322
01:40:35,720 --> 01:40:37,800
Speaker 15: No, no, that's a fair point. But like, think about

2323
01:40:37,800 --> 01:40:39,240
Speaker 15: all the games they were in at the start of

2324
01:40:39,280 --> 01:40:42,280
Speaker 15: the year. If you had Bailey's after your competite quarterback

2325
01:40:42,360 --> 01:40:46,640
Speaker 15: play like Cam Newton honestly, like just someone that's not

2326
01:40:46,840 --> 01:40:48,519
Speaker 15: gonna just turn the ball over and it is so

2327
01:40:48,640 --> 01:40:50,240
Speaker 15: afraid of the rush the Colts game.

2328
01:40:50,840 --> 01:40:54,800
Speaker 9: So now Cam Newton was the solution, not be.

2329
01:40:54,960 --> 01:40:56,840
Speaker 15: Dearris, you know it would be they would be in

2330
01:40:56,920 --> 01:40:57,400
Speaker 15: the playoffs.

2331
01:40:57,439 --> 01:41:00,800
Speaker 2: But but and I agree, like if Mack was a

2332
01:41:00,880 --> 01:41:05,280
Speaker 2: better player, they would have maybe won some of those games. However,

2333
01:41:06,640 --> 01:41:10,760
Speaker 2: that it's part of how Bill, you know, built this

2334
01:41:10,960 --> 01:41:14,240
Speaker 2: team leading up to now and how he mismanaged Mac

2335
01:41:14,360 --> 01:41:18,360
Speaker 2: last year. You know, so Bill has you know, some

2336
01:41:18,560 --> 01:41:21,320
Speaker 2: of the blame as to why they're four and eleven.

2337
01:41:21,400 --> 01:41:25,040
Speaker 2: It's not just the quarterback. It's it's the development of

2338
01:41:25,080 --> 01:41:29,360
Speaker 2: the quarterback, and you know who is around the quarterback.

2339
01:41:29,520 --> 01:41:32,920
Speaker 2: So coaching wise, like if we're just talking about coaching,

2340
01:41:33,840 --> 01:41:36,840
Speaker 2: you know, other coaches may not even been able to

2341
01:41:37,439 --> 01:41:40,760
Speaker 2: win four games. You know, maybe Bill's coaching got them

2342
01:41:40,840 --> 01:41:44,439
Speaker 2: four games, but his building of the team also kept

2343
01:41:44,479 --> 01:41:47,000
Speaker 2: them from winning more than four games. So it's complicated.

2344
01:41:47,400 --> 01:41:49,920
Speaker 2: You can't just look at it as one thing just coaching.

2345
01:41:50,080 --> 01:41:52,800
Speaker 2: It's he's in charge of the whole team and right now,

2346
01:41:53,560 --> 01:41:56,120
Speaker 2: the way the team was constructed kept them from winning

2347
01:41:56,200 --> 01:41:57,040
Speaker 2: games this season.

2348
01:41:57,400 --> 01:41:59,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I.

2349
01:42:00,160 --> 01:42:02,160
Speaker 15: Definitely the fair point, and I would agree with that,

2350
01:42:02,320 --> 01:42:05,479
Speaker 15: Like it's frustrating for me to be like picking stick

2351
01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:07,920
Speaker 15: and snakes and they take and then it's like pierce

2352
01:42:07,960 --> 01:42:09,880
Speaker 15: this mount tickets and then they take this short guy.

2353
01:42:09,920 --> 01:42:12,519
Speaker 15: I'm like, I don't even know who he is. And

2354
01:42:12,600 --> 01:42:15,200
Speaker 15: then I'm like, okay, maybe they know something. And then

2355
01:42:15,280 --> 01:42:16,280
Speaker 15: he's not very good.

2356
01:42:16,400 --> 01:42:17,160
Speaker 12: So I get it too.

2357
01:42:17,240 --> 01:42:18,840
Speaker 15: And he's the guy who's in charge of that.

2358
01:42:19,000 --> 01:42:20,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think, I think I think a lot

2359
01:42:21,080 --> 01:42:22,599
Speaker 2: and thanks to the cal three, I think a lot

2360
01:42:22,640 --> 01:42:26,840
Speaker 2: of people's frustration who are offensive minded are Bill Isn't

2361
01:42:27,560 --> 01:42:30,679
Speaker 2: Bill doesn't respect the offense the way he respects the defense.

2362
01:42:30,720 --> 01:42:32,760
Speaker 2: And I know that's crazy to hear, and you know

2363
01:42:33,160 --> 01:42:36,160
Speaker 2: Bill would bristle at the thought of that, but it's

2364
01:42:36,520 --> 01:42:40,280
Speaker 2: just apparent in the way, you know he he stocks them,

2365
01:42:40,920 --> 01:42:43,960
Speaker 2: you know, like I go back to Joe Tooney, like

2366
01:42:44,200 --> 01:42:47,120
Speaker 2: they you know, they valued him enough to put a

2367
01:42:47,200 --> 01:42:49,840
Speaker 2: franchise tag in him, but they didn't value him enough

2368
01:42:49,920 --> 01:42:53,240
Speaker 2: to before that giving him an early deal and extending

2369
01:42:53,320 --> 01:42:56,840
Speaker 2: him and paying him money. You know, like he was

2370
01:42:56,880 --> 01:42:59,960
Speaker 2: a coin. He was a foundational piece of your offensive line.

2371
01:43:00,479 --> 01:43:03,680
Speaker 2: You could pay play like four positions. He was a

2372
01:43:03,840 --> 01:43:06,360
Speaker 2: solid guy. And then then they did the same thing

2373
01:43:06,400 --> 01:43:08,080
Speaker 2: with Shaq Mason, they got rid of him.

2374
01:43:08,160 --> 01:43:09,960
Speaker 4: It's like the line hasn't recovered since.

2375
01:43:10,080 --> 01:43:12,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really has it. It's been the beginning of

2376
01:43:12,120 --> 01:43:12,400
Speaker 2: the end.

2377
01:43:12,479 --> 01:43:15,760
Speaker 9: And you know that's Dante also, Yeah, go back to

2378
01:43:15,840 --> 01:43:19,400
Speaker 9: something that you said about City. So, Mike, that's that's

2379
01:43:19,439 --> 01:43:21,840
Speaker 9: my biggest fear with that is like we're just doing

2380
01:43:21,920 --> 01:43:24,840
Speaker 9: the same thing again, like where you're you're moving on

2381
01:43:25,160 --> 01:43:30,920
Speaker 9: from a proven NFL quality starter if to because it's cheaper.

2382
01:43:31,040 --> 01:43:34,639
Speaker 2: If Bill, if Bill paid as much attention to offensive

2383
01:43:34,680 --> 01:43:37,320
Speaker 2: line as he the defensive line, no one, we'd have

2384
01:43:37,439 --> 01:43:41,479
Speaker 2: no problems. He loves his defensive lineman. He'll extend guys there,

2385
01:43:42,040 --> 01:43:45,600
Speaker 2: you know, and recognize even you know, middling players, but

2386
01:43:45,800 --> 01:43:49,200
Speaker 2: they're good for his system. So you know, guys like

2387
01:43:49,280 --> 01:43:52,320
Speaker 2: Dietrich Wise and Godshaw will always have a job here

2388
01:43:52,400 --> 01:43:56,120
Speaker 2: because they they play their position well. Uh but he

2389
01:43:56,200 --> 01:43:59,439
Speaker 2: doesn't think the same way apparently about the offense.

2390
01:44:00,120 --> 01:44:04,360
Speaker 9: You know, yeah, I just I feel like they're constantly

2391
01:44:04,439 --> 01:44:08,040
Speaker 9: chasing their tail on offense. Where Jacobe Myers leaves, So

2392
01:44:08,120 --> 01:44:10,560
Speaker 9: now we have to sign Juju Smith Schuster or you know,

2393
01:44:10,600 --> 01:44:12,760
Speaker 9: John new Smith's signing doesn't work out. So now we're

2394
01:44:12,760 --> 01:44:16,160
Speaker 9: signing Mike Asiki. And we traded Jack Mason, so now

2395
01:44:16,439 --> 01:44:18,800
Speaker 9: and we got we didn't re sign Joe Toney, So

2396
01:44:18,840 --> 01:44:20,599
Speaker 9: now I had the draft of guard in the first round.

2397
01:44:20,680 --> 01:44:22,519
Speaker 9: And now we're gonna do it again with Onwenu and

2398
01:44:22,560 --> 01:44:24,920
Speaker 9: we're gonna hope that a fourth round pick is gonna

2399
01:44:24,920 --> 01:44:27,160
Speaker 9: give him the same productions as on Whenu, and like

2400
01:44:27,439 --> 01:44:30,679
Speaker 9: then they're constantly just replacing him, trying to plug holes

2401
01:44:30,760 --> 01:44:34,400
Speaker 9: in the boat, and it's like instead of building something,

2402
01:44:34,640 --> 01:44:36,880
Speaker 9: it's just trying not to take on water. On that

2403
01:44:37,080 --> 01:44:37,680
Speaker 9: side of the ball.

2404
01:44:37,880 --> 01:44:40,120
Speaker 6: I go back to Jacoby a lot too, because I

2405
01:44:40,240 --> 01:44:43,560
Speaker 6: just think, like an undrafted guy that you developed that

2406
01:44:44,040 --> 01:44:46,680
Speaker 6: is so reliable, what would have it is said to

2407
01:44:46,760 --> 01:44:48,639
Speaker 6: the locker room to keep a guy like that here

2408
01:44:48,720 --> 01:44:51,960
Speaker 6: and reward him, and he embodies really everything we wanted

2409
01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:55,479
Speaker 6: here in this culture. And again, an undrafted guy, he's

2410
01:44:55,520 --> 01:44:55,880
Speaker 6: gonna have.

2411
01:44:56,000 --> 01:44:59,320
Speaker 5: That loyalty to you and imagine, I mean imagine him.

2412
01:44:59,320 --> 01:45:02,640
Speaker 5: It's not different of Juju, just with Pop and with

2413
01:45:02,760 --> 01:45:04,439
Speaker 5: what Bourn did you know before he got hurt and

2414
01:45:04,520 --> 01:45:06,200
Speaker 5: you know Parker with what he brings, which you know,

2415
01:45:06,280 --> 01:45:08,800
Speaker 5: I know is some people, he's a hot button topic.

2416
01:45:08,880 --> 01:45:11,559
Speaker 2: But you know, I just even with Mac.

2417
01:45:11,680 --> 01:45:13,439
Speaker 5: You know, with Mac, what would have been like if

2418
01:45:13,560 --> 01:45:15,200
Speaker 5: if you brought back the.

2419
01:45:15,240 --> 01:45:20,200
Speaker 9: Goal should have been to build with Jacoby instead of

2420
01:45:20,360 --> 01:45:22,960
Speaker 9: making a lateral move which turned out to be even

2421
01:45:23,240 --> 01:45:26,559
Speaker 9: a step backwards with Juju. But he in the moment

2422
01:45:26,680 --> 01:45:28,960
Speaker 9: like I can't have to be fair, like I thought

2423
01:45:29,000 --> 01:45:31,120
Speaker 9: at worst it was going to be a lateral move too,

2424
01:45:31,240 --> 01:45:34,439
Speaker 9: from Juju to Jacoby. But they really should have been

2425
01:45:34,479 --> 01:45:37,560
Speaker 9: looking to add to Jacoby. And like Jacoby is not

2426
01:45:37,680 --> 01:45:40,639
Speaker 9: like the Raiders pay Jacoby twenty five million dollars a year,

2427
01:45:40,760 --> 01:45:43,519
Speaker 9: So like you could have had Jacoby pretty easily with

2428
01:45:43,720 --> 01:45:48,439
Speaker 9: another offensive piece around him. Like, why you know this team,

2429
01:45:48,520 --> 01:45:50,439
Speaker 9: I think we had a collar like a while ago

2430
01:45:50,520 --> 01:45:52,960
Speaker 9: that said, well, what if this team was Jacoby Buyers

2431
01:45:53,040 --> 01:45:56,280
Speaker 9: and DeAndre Hopkins, Like how much better would the offense

2432
01:45:56,320 --> 01:45:59,400
Speaker 9: have been? Yeah, and maybe they wouldn't have not gonna

2433
01:45:59,400 --> 01:46:01,479
Speaker 9: win a Super Bowl with that team or anything like that,

2434
01:46:01,680 --> 01:46:04,120
Speaker 9: but I think they certainly they would not have been

2435
01:46:04,160 --> 01:46:06,840
Speaker 9: dead last in scoring. I don't think with those two

2436
01:46:06,880 --> 01:46:07,760
Speaker 9: receivers on the team.

2437
01:46:07,840 --> 01:46:07,880
Speaker 1: No.

2438
01:46:07,960 --> 01:46:10,320
Speaker 5: And Jacoby's proven it too with his performance this year

2439
01:46:10,360 --> 01:46:12,519
Speaker 5: with the Raiders. He's the same player there that.

2440
01:46:12,600 --> 01:46:15,760
Speaker 2: He was here. Franklin and Baltimore writes in the BB

2441
01:46:15,960 --> 01:46:18,639
Speaker 2: Vers Tom debate is entirely derived from where the latter

2442
01:46:18,800 --> 01:46:21,160
Speaker 2: was picked and your perception of that. If you're someone

2443
01:46:21,200 --> 01:46:23,880
Speaker 2: who believes Tom was made great, you believe Bill deserves

2444
01:46:23,920 --> 01:46:26,120
Speaker 2: the majority of the credit. If you believe Tom was

2445
01:46:26,200 --> 01:46:29,080
Speaker 2: disserviced by his idiot coach in Michigan and thus was

2446
01:46:29,160 --> 01:46:32,759
Speaker 2: improperly evaluated coming into the league, you believe Brady deserves

2447
01:46:32,800 --> 01:46:35,280
Speaker 2: most of the credit. I personally believe it's a mix

2448
01:46:35,320 --> 01:46:37,599
Speaker 2: of both, but I do lean more on the latter argument,

2449
01:46:37,680 --> 01:46:40,120
Speaker 2: because I mean, come on, if you just watch Brady's

2450
01:46:40,160 --> 01:46:43,160
Speaker 2: Michigan film, he should have never been a six round pick.

2451
01:46:43,400 --> 01:46:46,320
Speaker 2: Just goes to show you even professionals can miss on

2452
01:46:46,439 --> 01:46:47,240
Speaker 2: obvious talent.

2453
01:46:47,680 --> 01:46:51,960
Speaker 9: Okay, well I was what like six when Tom Brady

2454
01:46:54,360 --> 01:46:58,240
Speaker 9: I missed on that one. Du I mean, like nobody, I.

2455
01:46:58,360 --> 01:47:00,439
Speaker 5: Just have not heard anyone try to say that deserves

2456
01:47:00,479 --> 01:47:03,479
Speaker 5: more credit than than than Tom does, and like I

2457
01:47:03,520 --> 01:47:05,280
Speaker 5: feel like we're constantly arguing against that.

2458
01:47:05,760 --> 01:47:08,320
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, I mean the story about him back at Michigan,

2459
01:47:08,400 --> 01:47:11,120
Speaker 9: it's a fair point. Though it was it Chad Henny

2460
01:47:11,240 --> 01:47:15,880
Speaker 9: or someone like that, the son of son of that

2461
01:47:16,640 --> 01:47:19,120
Speaker 9: I just see. I just said chat Henny because it's

2462
01:47:19,120 --> 01:47:21,800
Speaker 9: like all and then and then Michigan.

2463
01:47:21,600 --> 01:47:24,560
Speaker 5: Court was the court of the pitcher too, who was

2464
01:47:24,600 --> 01:47:27,960
Speaker 5: like super athlete and then played for the Yankees. Drew Henson.

2465
01:47:28,080 --> 01:47:30,760
Speaker 9: Drew Henson, same guy. They might as well be the

2466
01:47:30,760 --> 01:47:31,439
Speaker 9: same person.

2467
01:47:31,600 --> 01:47:35,439
Speaker 2: Right aj in the Bay Area. But from Providence, I

2468
01:47:35,560 --> 01:47:37,639
Speaker 2: hear what many of you are saying about the state

2469
01:47:37,680 --> 01:47:40,240
Speaker 2: of the roster and not being a quarterback away from contention.

2470
01:47:40,479 --> 01:47:43,519
Speaker 2: But the matter is simple. You get a franchise quarterback.

2471
01:47:43,600 --> 01:47:45,800
Speaker 2: In the top five, you can get the tackle, the

2472
01:47:45,840 --> 01:47:48,200
Speaker 2: wide receiver, the pass rush, or the corner in other

2473
01:47:48,280 --> 01:47:50,680
Speaker 2: parts of the first round. The chances of hitting on

2474
01:47:50,720 --> 01:47:54,519
Speaker 2: a quarterback when picking this high are significantly higher than

2475
01:47:54,600 --> 01:47:56,960
Speaker 2: when picking them later in the draft. We have other

2476
01:47:57,120 --> 01:47:59,760
Speaker 2: draft picks. The top pick in this draft goes on

2477
01:47:59,800 --> 01:48:02,519
Speaker 2: a quarterback. You can get the other positions through free

2478
01:48:02,520 --> 01:48:05,599
Speaker 2: agency as well. You swing big to get the franchise

2479
01:48:05,680 --> 01:48:07,799
Speaker 2: altering quarterback of the future.

2480
01:48:08,360 --> 01:48:10,439
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm totally with you. I'm just not drafting the

2481
01:48:10,520 --> 01:48:13,800
Speaker 9: quarterback just to draft the quarterback, right, Like, it's got

2482
01:48:13,920 --> 01:48:16,080
Speaker 9: to be the right quarterback. Like, if you are really

2483
01:48:16,200 --> 01:48:19,000
Speaker 9: convinced about the quarterbacks in this draft, and you really

2484
01:48:19,400 --> 01:48:23,160
Speaker 9: have a great feeling about Drake may that that he's

2485
01:48:23,240 --> 01:48:25,200
Speaker 9: going to be the guy, then there's no argument. Of

2486
01:48:25,280 --> 01:48:27,759
Speaker 9: course you take the quarterback. But if you're not sold

2487
01:48:27,800 --> 01:48:30,439
Speaker 9: on it, then I'm not taking Zach Wilson, Like, I'm

2488
01:48:30,960 --> 01:48:33,120
Speaker 9: just not doing that, Like, I just don't see how

2489
01:48:33,200 --> 01:48:35,439
Speaker 9: that's helpful for the team at all, just because he

2490
01:48:35,479 --> 01:48:38,280
Speaker 9: has quarterback next to his name. To take a guy

2491
01:48:38,439 --> 01:48:41,840
Speaker 9: that I just even looking back on it, I still

2492
01:48:41,840 --> 01:48:43,960
Speaker 9: can't believe that the Jets took Zach Wilson where they

2493
01:48:44,000 --> 01:48:47,479
Speaker 9: took him, and it's just what that was. That's the

2494
01:48:47,640 --> 01:48:49,639
Speaker 9: mistake that a lot of teams make in this position,

2495
01:48:49,760 --> 01:48:52,080
Speaker 9: is they get desperate and they just take the quarterback

2496
01:48:52,240 --> 01:48:52,640
Speaker 9: just to do it.

2497
01:48:53,960 --> 01:48:54,080
Speaker 1: All.

2498
01:48:54,200 --> 01:48:58,519
Speaker 5: Right, let's see coming all, you know, Like they still

2499
01:48:58,600 --> 01:49:00,960
Speaker 5: have some talent around them that I mean, they're lucky

2500
01:49:01,040 --> 01:49:03,800
Speaker 5: that they didn't miss on Quentin Williams and you know

2501
01:49:04,479 --> 01:49:06,960
Speaker 5: what's his face the receiver and like Garabilson, like they

2502
01:49:07,240 --> 01:49:09,000
Speaker 5: they've made some good picks. But I mean even the

2503
01:49:09,080 --> 01:49:11,080
Speaker 5: tackle Beckton didn't really work out for them too. So

2504
01:49:11,200 --> 01:49:13,120
Speaker 5: it's just like even no matter how many times you

2505
01:49:13,200 --> 01:49:15,040
Speaker 5: get in the top ten, and even if you hit

2506
01:49:15,080 --> 01:49:16,679
Speaker 5: on a couple, like, there's no guarantee.

2507
01:49:16,800 --> 01:49:16,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2508
01:49:17,080 --> 01:49:17,280
Speaker 9: Yeah.

2509
01:49:17,880 --> 01:49:22,559
Speaker 2: Jeremy who tried to call earlier from Saskatchewan, but Canada

2510
01:49:22,640 --> 01:49:25,040
Speaker 2: they have a time limit on how long you're on hold, right,

2511
01:49:25,120 --> 01:49:27,360
Speaker 2: cut you right off. But the reason he called was

2512
01:49:27,439 --> 01:49:31,439
Speaker 2: he was wondering about Brian Flores as a head coach.

2513
01:49:32,080 --> 01:49:32,960
Speaker 2: That's an interesting one.

2514
01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:34,280
Speaker 5: And I mean, I think he's getting a lot of

2515
01:49:34,320 --> 01:49:36,880
Speaker 5: praise right now for what he's been doing in Minnesota,

2516
01:49:36,920 --> 01:49:39,519
Speaker 5: and well just you know how he's just a spin

2517
01:49:39,600 --> 01:49:41,280
Speaker 5: the dial guy, and I think that's you know, what's

2518
01:49:41,320 --> 01:49:44,519
Speaker 5: what's fun with his defense? I mean ibl four, you know,

2519
01:49:44,680 --> 01:49:46,800
Speaker 5: just in general his coaching style. I know, he was

2520
01:49:46,880 --> 01:49:49,360
Speaker 5: really you know, respected, at least by like our peers

2521
01:49:49,439 --> 01:49:51,680
Speaker 5: that were you know, had cross paths with him while

2522
01:49:51,680 --> 01:49:54,200
Speaker 5: he was here. I don't know what the relationships are

2523
01:49:54,240 --> 01:49:56,000
Speaker 5: like elsewhere. I don't know if if you're ready to

2524
01:49:56,040 --> 01:49:57,400
Speaker 5: give him another head coaching chance here.

2525
01:49:57,479 --> 01:50:02,120
Speaker 9: Yeah, I know Miami wasn't exactly positive about him as

2526
01:50:02,160 --> 01:50:02,960
Speaker 9: a people person.

2527
01:50:03,120 --> 01:50:03,240
Speaker 2: You know.

2528
01:50:03,479 --> 01:50:05,719
Speaker 9: It's it's the same thing that you always hear about

2529
01:50:05,800 --> 01:50:10,040
Speaker 9: Belichick guys, you know, Patricia, Judge, McDaniels. They just don't

2530
01:50:10,120 --> 01:50:14,519
Speaker 9: handle the CEO elements of being a head coach very well,

2531
01:50:14,800 --> 01:50:17,920
Speaker 9: you know, people in the building and relationships and things

2532
01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:21,680
Speaker 9: like that. He's an awesome defensive coach and he was

2533
01:50:21,760 --> 01:50:24,200
Speaker 9: here too, great x as and O's coach.

2534
01:50:24,320 --> 01:50:26,320
Speaker 5: But he blitzed nine or we've blitzened too nine two

2535
01:50:26,479 --> 01:50:26,920
Speaker 5: nine two.

2536
01:50:27,120 --> 01:50:27,320
Speaker 9: Yeah.

2537
01:50:27,320 --> 01:50:27,479
Speaker 11: I know.

2538
01:50:27,600 --> 01:50:31,880
Speaker 9: I read an article on ESPN about the couple like

2539
01:50:31,960 --> 01:50:34,840
Speaker 9: the Wrinkles that they've been running in cover zero uh

2540
01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:38,919
Speaker 9: in in Minnesota, which, like this person, credited to Brian Flores,

2541
01:50:39,000 --> 01:50:41,960
Speaker 9: which Brian Floras learned from from Bill Belichick like five

2542
01:50:42,040 --> 01:50:44,800
Speaker 9: years ago. But that's like besides the point. Uh, they

2543
01:50:44,880 --> 01:50:47,280
Speaker 9: do a lot of like zone coverage behind cover zero

2544
01:50:47,439 --> 01:50:50,479
Speaker 9: instead of man, and it's just like driving, you know,

2545
01:50:50,600 --> 01:50:52,479
Speaker 9: all like the hot routes and stuff like that are

2546
01:50:52,960 --> 01:50:56,400
Speaker 9: now covered because you're running like slants and crossers thinking

2547
01:50:56,479 --> 01:50:58,000
Speaker 9: that you're in man and then all of a sudden

2548
01:50:58,200 --> 01:51:00,920
Speaker 9: it's gets zoned off. And uh, the Patriots do.

2549
01:51:01,040 --> 01:51:01,639
Speaker 2: That all the time.

2550
01:51:01,680 --> 01:51:04,799
Speaker 5: Were you were you as an X to snow guy sometimes?

2551
01:51:05,200 --> 01:51:08,639
Speaker 5: Were you as just kind of impressed when they switched

2552
01:51:08,680 --> 01:51:11,400
Speaker 5: from Patricia to Flores the difference in the aggressiveness and

2553
01:51:11,479 --> 01:51:13,720
Speaker 5: the defense that that making that make an impression on you?

2554
01:51:13,880 --> 01:51:16,560
Speaker 9: Yeah, Yeah, I don't know. I'm always like I like,

2555
01:51:17,439 --> 01:51:19,360
Speaker 9: you know, this week against Buffalo, I think is a

2556
01:51:19,439 --> 01:51:22,479
Speaker 9: perfect example, Like I would much rather just fight fire

2557
01:51:22,560 --> 01:51:24,800
Speaker 9: with fire, like like they've been in Week seven, Like

2558
01:51:24,880 --> 01:51:27,120
Speaker 9: they just go after him, Like what's the point of

2559
01:51:27,200 --> 01:51:29,439
Speaker 9: trying to sit back and like eight man coverage and

2560
01:51:29,560 --> 01:51:31,639
Speaker 9: just pray that he throws an interception at some point?

2561
01:51:31,760 --> 01:51:34,240
Speaker 9: Like that's just wishful thinking. And I think with the

2562
01:51:34,320 --> 01:51:36,560
Speaker 9: Patricia defense that was a lot of it was like,

2563
01:51:36,600 --> 01:51:38,920
Speaker 9: all right, we're gonna make you grind out drives. We're

2564
01:51:38,920 --> 01:51:41,439
Speaker 9: gonna make you go, you know, twelve plays and eventually

2565
01:51:41,520 --> 01:51:44,320
Speaker 9: you're gonna make a mistake. Not we're gonna force a mistake,

2566
01:51:44,400 --> 01:51:46,479
Speaker 9: but just we're gonna get you, you know, stopped in

2567
01:51:46,520 --> 01:51:49,080
Speaker 9: the red zone, or we're gonna, you know, get a turnover,

2568
01:51:49,240 --> 01:51:51,280
Speaker 9: you're gonna get a penalty that's gonna put you behind

2569
01:51:51,360 --> 01:51:53,280
Speaker 9: the sticks, and then you're not gonna get another first

2570
01:51:53,360 --> 01:51:55,599
Speaker 9: down like things like that. And that's how I always

2571
01:51:55,640 --> 01:51:58,519
Speaker 9: felt the Patriots at played Josh Allen for a while

2572
01:51:58,800 --> 01:52:03,760
Speaker 9: was just sit back and yeah, and he's too good

2573
01:52:03,840 --> 01:52:06,280
Speaker 9: for that now. And and last time around, they they

2574
01:52:06,360 --> 01:52:08,439
Speaker 9: blitzed them like over forty percent of the time, and

2575
01:52:08,560 --> 01:52:10,519
Speaker 9: they really came after him, and he made some plays,

2576
01:52:11,000 --> 01:52:12,720
Speaker 9: but so did you and and it was a you know,

2577
01:52:12,760 --> 01:52:13,960
Speaker 9: that's why he won the game.

2578
01:52:14,080 --> 01:52:16,760
Speaker 2: Back in the day, you know, you could just rush

2579
01:52:16,840 --> 01:52:19,840
Speaker 2: four all game or even three, and but you could

2580
01:52:19,880 --> 01:52:23,320
Speaker 2: also you know, rough up the receivers. You could. You

2581
01:52:23,400 --> 01:52:26,680
Speaker 2: could there's more contact allowed, you know, so you know,

2582
01:52:26,760 --> 01:52:29,280
Speaker 2: you could beat the Colts that way. But now you

2583
01:52:29,400 --> 01:52:31,960
Speaker 2: can't get away with that. You're gonna get defensive holding,

2584
01:52:32,520 --> 01:52:35,720
Speaker 2: you know, or whatever illegal contact, and so you have

2585
01:52:35,880 --> 01:52:38,839
Speaker 2: to take chances. You have to play that complimentary defense

2586
01:52:38,920 --> 01:52:42,840
Speaker 2: where the pressure matches up with the coverage. You can't

2587
01:52:42,920 --> 01:52:45,920
Speaker 2: just you know, let them march, because they're going to.

2588
01:52:46,200 --> 01:52:48,800
Speaker 2: In today's NFL, they're gonna and you're gonna just wear

2589
01:52:48,840 --> 01:52:49,599
Speaker 2: out your defense.

2590
01:52:49,720 --> 01:52:52,120
Speaker 9: Yeah. I think today today more than ever, and I

2591
01:52:52,160 --> 01:52:54,360
Speaker 9: think this is a big reason why there has been

2592
01:52:54,400 --> 01:52:56,920
Speaker 9: a little bit of a defensive resurgence in the NFL.

2593
01:52:57,560 --> 01:53:00,320
Speaker 9: The pressure schemes are getting more and more creative, true,

2594
01:53:00,439 --> 01:53:03,280
Speaker 9: and then the pass rushes are getting better, and pass

2595
01:53:03,360 --> 01:53:06,320
Speaker 9: rushers are getting better. Like there's just better defensive linemen

2596
01:53:06,479 --> 01:53:08,840
Speaker 9: in the NFL now than offensive linemen in a lot

2597
01:53:08,880 --> 01:53:09,280
Speaker 9: of places.

2598
01:53:09,439 --> 01:53:10,120
Speaker 2: Just more speed.

2599
01:53:10,439 --> 01:53:12,960
Speaker 9: Yeah, and they're doing a much better job of you know,

2600
01:53:13,200 --> 01:53:17,560
Speaker 9: disguising rushes and getting unblocked guys and getting guys you know,

2601
01:53:17,640 --> 01:53:20,320
Speaker 9: to the quarterback. And you see every single quarterback, no

2602
01:53:20,400 --> 01:53:22,360
Speaker 9: matter who it is, if there's pressure in his face,

2603
01:53:22,400 --> 01:53:25,360
Speaker 9: he's not gonna be anywhere near as good. That's just obvious.

2604
01:53:25,479 --> 01:53:28,080
Speaker 9: And that's I think a big reason why scoring has

2605
01:53:28,120 --> 01:53:28,479
Speaker 9: been down.

2606
01:53:28,640 --> 01:53:33,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Brandon Maine on Mayo, we were talking about him

2607
01:53:33,439 --> 01:53:35,960
Speaker 2: earlier a couple of weeks ago, I believe Albert Breer

2608
01:53:36,479 --> 01:53:38,680
Speaker 2: had a report about Girod Mayo and that there are

2609
01:53:38,760 --> 01:53:40,519
Speaker 2: some in the building who are no longer see him

2610
01:53:40,520 --> 01:53:42,720
Speaker 2: as the air apparent. I also believe there was a

2611
01:53:42,800 --> 01:53:45,639
Speaker 2: second report around the same time, though I can't remember

2612
01:53:45,720 --> 01:53:49,320
Speaker 2: from who, saying that Mayo had rubbed people the wrong

2613
01:53:49,400 --> 01:53:52,160
Speaker 2: way since its extension in noting an arrogance that was

2614
01:53:52,200 --> 01:53:54,880
Speaker 2: off putting. Can you speak to these reports and what

2615
01:53:55,040 --> 01:53:59,080
Speaker 2: you may be hearing about Mayo? Yeah, I heard the report,

2616
01:53:59,200 --> 01:54:02,439
Speaker 2: but like, I only see what everyone else sees, like

2617
01:54:02,720 --> 01:54:04,600
Speaker 2: pre game and all that, and he's out there with

2618
01:54:04,720 --> 01:54:07,400
Speaker 2: everyone else and sitting next to Steve like he always has,

2619
01:54:07,520 --> 01:54:09,679
Speaker 2: and I don't notice anything different.

2620
01:54:09,800 --> 01:54:14,200
Speaker 9: But I heard that report, you know, seems like that

2621
01:54:14,760 --> 01:54:18,080
Speaker 9: Bard originally and then Brier kind of confirmed it. And

2622
01:54:18,520 --> 01:54:23,920
Speaker 9: now there's another. Andrew Callahan also just tweeted like today

2623
01:54:24,439 --> 01:54:28,160
Speaker 9: that he's also hearing that Bill has been talking about

2624
01:54:28,600 --> 01:54:30,120
Speaker 9: his job status with.

2625
01:54:30,400 --> 01:54:33,880
Speaker 2: But this You mentioned that uncertainty of the Yeah, that

2626
01:54:34,040 --> 01:54:34,200
Speaker 2: was I.

2627
01:54:34,200 --> 01:54:38,560
Speaker 9: Think he already had it, and now Callahan confirmed, so I.

2628
01:54:38,600 --> 01:54:40,960
Speaker 2: Don't Again, we don't know if that's true, but let's

2629
01:54:41,040 --> 01:54:43,840
Speaker 2: just say it is. So you're an assistant coach and

2630
01:54:43,920 --> 01:54:45,920
Speaker 2: your head coach is like, I'm not sure what's going

2631
01:54:46,000 --> 01:54:48,640
Speaker 2: to happen now, You're worried about yourself.

2632
01:54:48,360 --> 01:54:51,480
Speaker 9: Right Ross Douglas, Yeah, Like, what am I going to do?

2633
01:54:51,640 --> 01:54:53,000
Speaker 2: Why is he telling me this?

2634
01:54:53,920 --> 01:54:54,080
Speaker 7: You know?

2635
01:54:54,800 --> 01:54:57,160
Speaker 2: Do I need to start making some phone calls?

2636
01:54:57,960 --> 01:55:01,360
Speaker 4: You what if it's your dad about Mayo? Rubbing people

2637
01:55:01,440 --> 01:55:01,960
Speaker 4: the wrong way?

2638
01:55:02,160 --> 01:55:06,320
Speaker 6: Is just assistance on the staff that are facing a

2639
01:55:06,400 --> 01:55:08,880
Speaker 6: lot of uncertainty right now about their jobs, what they're

2640
01:55:08,880 --> 01:55:10,240
Speaker 6: going to do, if they're going to have to move,

2641
01:55:10,360 --> 01:55:12,040
Speaker 6: And that's when stuff leaks.

2642
01:55:11,840 --> 01:55:12,640
Speaker 2: That's when people talk.

2643
01:55:12,680 --> 01:55:15,080
Speaker 6: People are uncomfortable right now, they're trying to chew themselves

2644
01:55:15,080 --> 01:55:17,440
Speaker 6: out of this, and it's probably most.

2645
01:55:17,240 --> 01:55:19,560
Speaker 5: Reports feel motivated. To me, I don't know by what,

2646
01:55:19,800 --> 01:55:22,600
Speaker 5: but it just feels like a message that somebody wants

2647
01:55:22,640 --> 01:55:25,160
Speaker 5: to get out there, whether it's job yeah.

2648
01:55:25,200 --> 01:55:27,840
Speaker 9: Just talking to the times that we get to talk

2649
01:55:27,920 --> 01:55:32,400
Speaker 9: to Drod Mayo, I feel like there's just a confidence

2650
01:55:32,400 --> 01:55:34,760
Speaker 9: about him, not an arrogance, but a confidence about him

2651
01:55:34,840 --> 01:55:38,240
Speaker 9: that it's not here, it'll be someplace else. And if

2652
01:55:38,320 --> 01:55:40,400
Speaker 9: that maybe that rubs some people the wrong way, that

2653
01:55:40,560 --> 01:55:42,760
Speaker 9: he's not you know, down in the dumps that that

2654
01:55:42,920 --> 01:55:44,800
Speaker 9: the team is where it is and everything like that.

2655
01:55:45,040 --> 01:55:48,400
Speaker 9: But you know, some people, the idea of you know,

2656
01:55:48,600 --> 01:55:50,880
Speaker 9: having to go get another job and moving cities and

2657
01:55:50,960 --> 01:55:53,880
Speaker 9: moving your family can be a very overwhelming thing. Maybe

2658
01:55:53,960 --> 01:55:56,480
Speaker 9: to somebody like Girod Mayo. It just isn't like if so,

2659
01:55:56,600 --> 01:55:59,480
Speaker 9: if he has to go coach, you know, in Carolina

2660
01:55:59,600 --> 01:56:02,560
Speaker 9: next year instead of here, then okay, well pack up

2661
01:56:02,600 --> 01:56:03,560
Speaker 9: and we'll move to Carolina.

2662
01:56:03,640 --> 01:56:06,360
Speaker 2: If it's not here, wherever he goes, it'd be good

2663
01:56:06,440 --> 01:56:10,280
Speaker 2: for him to have clear responsibility, you know what I mean.

2664
01:56:10,400 --> 01:56:13,840
Speaker 2: Like right now, for all we know, he's the linebacker's coach,

2665
01:56:14,200 --> 01:56:17,160
Speaker 2: and we hear he's a communicator, right, but like he's

2666
01:56:17,240 --> 01:56:20,120
Speaker 2: got to, you know, if he goes somewhere else and

2667
01:56:20,200 --> 01:56:21,760
Speaker 2: it's short of a head coach, he's got to have

2668
01:56:21,920 --> 01:56:24,640
Speaker 2: clear responsibility to build that resume.

2669
01:56:24,760 --> 01:56:27,720
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, I do wonder if that is in play,

2670
01:56:28,040 --> 01:56:29,400
Speaker 9: you know, Eric b Enemy just did that.

2671
01:56:29,680 --> 01:56:32,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I got out from under Andy Reich shadow.

2672
01:56:32,600 --> 01:56:34,879
Speaker 9: Yeah, And I don't know if it's gonna be immediate

2673
01:56:35,000 --> 01:56:36,920
Speaker 9: for him, but I'm sure that in the end he'll

2674
01:56:37,000 --> 01:56:39,480
Speaker 9: probably eventually get a head coaching job out of it,

2675
01:56:39,640 --> 01:56:42,640
Speaker 9: unless he completely flops with Washington. But I think most

2676
01:56:42,680 --> 01:56:44,600
Speaker 9: people are blaming Sam Howell.

2677
01:56:44,400 --> 01:56:47,760
Speaker 2: For that situation. Jack and and Aba rights in. I've

2678
01:56:47,840 --> 01:56:51,320
Speaker 2: been a Michigan football fan for fifty five years. Tom

2679
01:56:51,360 --> 01:56:53,840
Speaker 2: Brady's coach at Michigan who shall not be mentioned, did

2680
01:56:53,920 --> 01:56:57,840
Speaker 2: mishandle Brady. Nevertheless, we Michigan fans knew Brady was better

2681
01:56:57,880 --> 01:56:59,840
Speaker 2: than a six round pick. All you had to do

2682
01:57:00,160 --> 01:57:03,240
Speaker 2: was watch Brady's performance in Michigan's victory over Alabama in

2683
01:57:03,280 --> 01:57:05,600
Speaker 2: the Orange Bowl to see that Brady was a good

2684
01:57:05,680 --> 01:57:06,840
Speaker 2: pro prospect. Yeah.

2685
01:57:07,240 --> 01:57:09,760
Speaker 5: Clutch, that's the big one, right, And that's what I mean.

2686
01:57:09,840 --> 01:57:11,800
Speaker 5: We threw, we gave some bills some flowers. Today, I

2687
01:57:11,840 --> 01:57:14,160
Speaker 5: think it upsets some people because they're like tweeting at

2688
01:57:14,200 --> 01:57:16,400
Speaker 5: Paul like, oh my god, like you should listen to it,

2689
01:57:16,560 --> 01:57:20,080
Speaker 5: Like Paul's not gonna listen. But but Brady, to me,

2690
01:57:20,200 --> 01:57:22,480
Speaker 5: what made him so remarkable was just his ability in

2691
01:57:22,560 --> 01:57:23,640
Speaker 5: the clutch to make those plays.

2692
01:57:23,640 --> 01:57:26,040
Speaker 9: It's just sad. It's so sad that we can't like

2693
01:57:26,320 --> 01:57:29,120
Speaker 9: say that Bill Belichick's a great coach without people getting

2694
01:57:29,160 --> 01:57:32,200
Speaker 9: mad about it, like no, and it's not that's why

2695
01:57:32,280 --> 01:57:34,680
Speaker 9: this whole thing, like bother like bugs me the Brady

2696
01:57:34,800 --> 01:57:37,600
Speaker 9: versus Belichick thing because it's like, hey, it just who

2697
01:57:37,720 --> 01:57:39,960
Speaker 9: cares at this point, Like it just doesn't make a

2698
01:57:40,000 --> 01:57:43,680
Speaker 9: difference anymore. But b it's just like you can both

2699
01:57:43,720 --> 01:57:46,120
Speaker 9: things can be true. One is a good quarterback, one's

2700
01:57:46,160 --> 01:57:47,920
Speaker 9: a good coach. Like you don't have to always be

2701
01:57:48,000 --> 01:57:48,600
Speaker 9: at odds about it.

2702
01:57:48,720 --> 01:57:49,839
Speaker 4: It's a simpleton argument.

2703
01:57:50,320 --> 01:57:53,560
Speaker 5: And I mean, and just to put my old fan

2704
01:57:53,680 --> 01:57:56,760
Speaker 5: hat back on after five years, it's like, nothing's gonna

2705
01:57:56,840 --> 01:57:59,640
Speaker 5: change the pure joy of watching those teams win six

2706
01:57:59,640 --> 01:58:02,000
Speaker 5: Super And you can give whoever you want the credit,

2707
01:58:02,240 --> 01:58:04,640
Speaker 5: but for me as a fan, getting to experience those

2708
01:58:04,680 --> 01:58:06,560
Speaker 5: seasons and the ups and the downs and seeing them

2709
01:58:06,600 --> 01:58:09,440
Speaker 5: pull those victories out in always the dramatic fashion that

2710
01:58:09,560 --> 01:58:11,840
Speaker 5: they did, or even having your heart broken like that,

2711
01:58:12,000 --> 01:58:14,760
Speaker 5: to me, the experience of that is what really matters most.

2712
01:58:14,840 --> 01:58:17,480
Speaker 2: Like like people can believe whatever they want, they.

2713
01:58:17,440 --> 01:58:19,640
Speaker 5: Can think the tooth Fairy was responsible for the Patriots

2714
01:58:19,640 --> 01:58:22,800
Speaker 5: Super Bowl's great, but it's never gonna change what my

2715
01:58:22,920 --> 01:58:24,080
Speaker 5: experience was as a fan.

2716
01:58:24,160 --> 01:58:27,920
Speaker 9: W I I just had some TV on in the

2717
01:58:27,960 --> 01:58:31,080
Speaker 9: background and it was like one of the like NFL films,

2718
01:58:31,160 --> 01:58:36,960
Speaker 9: super Bowl forty nine documentaries or whatever. And Jess walks

2719
01:58:37,000 --> 01:58:38,680
Speaker 9: in and she's like, what are you watching? And I

2720
01:58:38,800 --> 01:58:40,920
Speaker 9: was like super Bowl forty nine and she was like

2721
01:58:41,120 --> 01:58:42,680
Speaker 9: why And I was like why not?

2722
01:58:43,720 --> 01:58:45,480
Speaker 5: But when those kids are on like and you flip

2723
01:58:45,560 --> 01:58:47,880
Speaker 5: them on, like I instantly go back to like where

2724
01:58:47,960 --> 01:58:50,080
Speaker 5: I was watching it, and like I can even like

2725
01:58:50,320 --> 01:58:53,120
Speaker 5: and there's this might sound stupid, but like that forty nine,

2726
01:58:53,360 --> 01:58:55,040
Speaker 5: Like the color of the grass to me was like

2727
01:58:55,160 --> 01:58:57,880
Speaker 5: this neon green. It's it's often like that there in Arizona.

2728
01:58:57,960 --> 01:59:00,440
Speaker 5: But yeah, like there's just something so distinct about that

2729
01:59:00,560 --> 01:59:02,520
Speaker 5: game that I just remember. I remember going to get

2730
01:59:02,520 --> 01:59:04,960
Speaker 5: food before the game. I remember who came over, you know,

2731
01:59:05,080 --> 01:59:06,920
Speaker 5: all those things, and that to me as a fan,

2732
01:59:07,080 --> 01:59:08,120
Speaker 5: that's what That's what I remember.

2733
01:59:08,120 --> 01:59:10,600
Speaker 2: I don't know Claire in the UK rights and who

2734
01:59:10,720 --> 01:59:18,280
Speaker 2: everyone related holidays to everyone. Considering all the different variables,

2735
01:59:18,360 --> 01:59:21,160
Speaker 2: the draft position, Belotick's job, and that it's the Bills,

2736
01:59:21,520 --> 01:59:24,120
Speaker 2: are you rooting for a win on Sunday? I can't

2737
01:59:24,160 --> 01:59:26,160
Speaker 2: stand the Bills, but I know the fan base is

2738
01:59:26,240 --> 01:59:28,800
Speaker 2: divided on what the results should be. What say you,

2739
01:59:29,120 --> 01:59:32,960
Speaker 2: I say, screw the draft, crap, shoot, trash the Bills.

2740
01:59:33,680 --> 01:59:37,400
Speaker 2: I'm rooting for a win. What the hell? Sure? Well,

2741
01:59:37,520 --> 01:59:38,720
Speaker 2: I mean, you know what it would mean.

2742
01:59:38,760 --> 01:59:40,560
Speaker 5: I just think again, it would just be so weird

2743
01:59:41,160 --> 01:59:42,880
Speaker 5: to think that this is the Patriots scene that were

2744
01:59:42,960 --> 01:59:45,000
Speaker 5: to sweep the Bills, to win in Pittsburgh, to win

2745
01:59:45,080 --> 01:59:47,960
Speaker 5: in Denver, of all places like it, just you never,

2746
01:59:48,040 --> 01:59:49,480
Speaker 5: you never would have stripped.

2747
01:59:49,720 --> 01:59:51,760
Speaker 2: And then close out the season by keeping the win

2748
01:59:51,880 --> 01:59:53,280
Speaker 2: streak against the Jets alive.

2749
01:59:53,720 --> 01:59:55,760
Speaker 9: I would like to beat the Bills simply to watch

2750
01:59:55,840 --> 02:00:00,280
Speaker 9: Bills of Mafia. Yeah, yeah, oh god, they would lose

2751
02:00:00,320 --> 02:00:02,320
Speaker 9: their mind. That all right, that's gonna be it for

2752
02:00:02,400 --> 02:00:05,720
Speaker 9: this show. We'll be back tomorrow, Big Day picks. Maybe

2753
02:00:05,800 --> 02:00:06,560
Speaker 9: Paul will be back.

2754
02:00:06,640 --> 02:00:09,240
Speaker 2: I don't know. You might find a camera somewhere. But

2755
02:00:09,600 --> 02:00:12,120
Speaker 2: John Rook in the playbook is up next, right? Is

2756
02:00:12,160 --> 02:00:20,440
Speaker 2: that correct? All right? So we'll talk, all right, guest.

2757
02:00:20,720 --> 02:00:24,000
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