1 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: You may have heard of the famous book turned into 2 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: a movie, Hotel for Dogs, kind of a kid's book. 3 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: It's very, very famous, and I'm sure a lot of 4 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: you have seen the movie. But what many people don't 5 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: know is that the author of Hotel for Dogs, Lois Duncan, 6 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: was famous for another reason in my world, because your 7 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: daughter was murdered. How does it all unfold and what 8 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: does a major break in the case tell us. Let's 9 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:49,919 Speaker 1: start at the beginning. Listen to this. Eighteen year old 10 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: Caitlin Arquette was driving home late on a summer night 11 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: when someone shot her twice in the head. The murder, 12 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: on a mostly deserted Albuquerque street, had the markings of 13 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: a random drive by shooting. Four months police detectives thought 14 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: elusive clues in the teenagers murder. They had no weapon, 15 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: no motive, and no suspect. Family members publicly accused police 16 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: of inaction that sounds like a big mess brewing no weapon, 17 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 1: no motive, no suspect. The family now accusing the police 18 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: of doing nothing while their team girl dies seemingly by 19 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: a random act. You were just hearing, Larry Barker KATV 20 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: what happened to this beautiful young girl, Caitlin Arquette. Again, 21 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grayson. I want to thank you for being 22 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: with us here at Crime Stories. Who is Caitlin? Take 23 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: a listen to Nancy Laughlin k r QE. She was 24 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,919 Speaker 1: a pretty popular girl, an eighteen year old with dreams 25 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: of one day becoming a doctor. But on a July night, 26 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: those dreams died when someone murdered Caitlin Arquette. From working 27 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: for so many, so many years just to get the 28 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:09,119 Speaker 1: answer to why our daughter died. July sixteenth, nineteen eighty nine, 29 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: Caitlyn had just had dinner at her friend's home. Police 30 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: say she was driving east on Lomas when someone chased her, 31 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: shot her and left her for dead. I wake up 32 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 1: every night to the sound of gunshots and to the 33 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: sound of my daughter calling mother, mother, help, and I'm 34 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: not there. I cannot even imagine waking up every night 35 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: thinking your child is calling you, mom, mom, Mommy, help me, 36 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: help me, And you wake up, you come to the 37 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 1: realization your child is dead and you were not there 38 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: to help. You were away, you were far away, and 39 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: there's nothing you could do to save your child's life. 40 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: But that is the burden that this famous, famous book 41 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:03,399 Speaker 1: saw this author carried Let me introduce you an all 42 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: star panel to make sense of it at all and 43 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: with the breaking news in the murder of Caitlin Arquette. 44 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: First of all, doctor Bethany Marshall's psycho analyst at doctor 45 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall dot com, star of a brand new Netflix hit, 46 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: Bling Empire. Cheryl McCollum, forensics expert and founder director of 47 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: the Coldcase Research Institute. You can find her at Coldcase 48 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: Crimes dot org. Patricia Carristo, Executive director of the Resource 49 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: Center for Victims of Violent Death and PI. Doctor Tim Gallagher, 50 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: medical examiner for the entire state of Florida at pathcaremd 51 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: dot com and senior lecturer University Florida Medical School and 52 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: founder of the International Forensic Medicine Death Investigation Conference. Also 53 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: joining me columnists with the Albuquerque Journal, Jolene Guterrest Krueger. 54 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: Special guest joining me right now is Carrie Arquette. This 55 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: is Caitlin's sister, the daughter of Lois, the author of 56 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: Hotel for Dogs, and Lois also wrote One to the Wolves. 57 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: First of all, I want you to hear our friend 58 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: Dave Lopshire at KOATV carry our kid says that she 59 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: was driving to the hospital to spend the last moments 60 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 1: of her sister's life with her. She couldn't help but 61 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 1: fear for the people she drove by. There are all 62 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: these kids exactly Kate's h and they're sitting in little 63 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 1: the strokes out on the sidewalk, and they're riding their bikes, 64 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: and they're walking down the street with their books, and 65 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,799 Speaker 1: they're standing in front of their dorms. And I wanted 66 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: to hang out the window and scream at them go inside, 67 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: close your windows and lock your doors, and go inside, 68 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: because this is not a safe place to be At 69 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: this point. Police have no idea who shot Caitlin Arquette, 70 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: and they're hoping somebody somewhere may have seen something that 71 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 1: might give them a lead. We would like, you know, 72 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: of course, to appeal to the public to see if 73 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: they have any information at all, if anybody was going by, 74 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: if they've heard anything. Any information is going to help us, 75 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 1: because right now we don't have anything. I can't imagine 76 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: losing your child and then seemingly hitting a dead end. 77 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: Joining me right now, Carrie Arquette, this is Caitlin's sister, Carrie. 78 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: I was just thinking about you trying desperately to get 79 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 1: to your sister's side before she died. What happened when 80 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: you first learn that your sister had been a crime victim, 81 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: and describe the journey trying to get to her side. 82 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: So I was living in Texas. I was the mother 83 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: of two very young children. And the phone rang at 84 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:58,919 Speaker 1: about one am, and my husband picked it up, and 85 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: he heard my mother his voice, and he started to 86 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: hand it to me, but mother told him, no, I 87 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 1: need to tell you something, because she wanted him prepared 88 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 1: so he could support me once she gave me the news. 89 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: And then he handed me the phone and she said, 90 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: Kate's been shot. And all I could think was that 91 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: she had been that a kid that she had been 92 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: babysitting might have gotten into his parents' guns and accidentally 93 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 1: shot her, because she was a babysitter for the whole neighborhood. 94 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: And then when I found out that that wasn't the case, 95 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: I could barely breathe and got to Kate's side, and she, 96 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: of course was in a coma, and I sat there. 97 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: I remember mother saying catch her. I thought that was 98 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: a very odd thing to say. That Mother was very 99 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: wise and she knew that somehow I needed to make 100 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: that human connection that this still was my little sister, 101 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: because she didn't look at all like Kate. And I 102 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: remember laying her lullabies that my mother had written and 103 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: my sister had sung and produced. And I remember telling 104 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: her I was just gathering and telling her that I 105 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: had taken her little nieces to save Peter Pan. And 106 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: I remember saying something about flying and how wonderful and 107 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: magical that must be, and that if she felt it 108 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: was time for her to fly, it was going to 109 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: be an adventure and that she should go. Why do 110 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: you say that she looked nothing like Caitlin. I am 111 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: a criminologist, so you would think that I would have 112 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: an idea of what happens to a person when they're 113 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: shot in the head. At we shot in the head 114 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: with a kind of bullet that killed Kate, and a 115 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: head can swell. Somehow, I thought that a that a 116 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: skull was like a rock and that it was just solid. 117 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: But her head had swollen enormously and it was bandaged, 118 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: and all you could see were her eyes, and they 119 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: of course were black and blue. And she Kate was 120 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: always so full of energy. She was always doing something, 121 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:38,959 Speaker 1: and to see her prone in the hospital bed completely 122 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: completely still and not just still like drained of her 123 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: life force. That and the bandaging made her look nothing 124 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: like my little sister. Guys, you were hearing the voice 125 00:08:56,160 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: of Carrie Arquette. This is Caitlin Quete's sister who made 126 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: the mad race to the hospital to try and assist 127 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,959 Speaker 1: to see her sister before she died. I want to 128 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: go straight out to Jelene Guitarres Krueger with the Albuquerque Journal, Jolly, 129 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: thank you so much for being with us. Describe what 130 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: you know about the facts surrounding the shooting of Caitlin Arquette. Well, 131 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: I mean, there's some controversy as to what exactly happened, 132 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: but what it appears that happened is that Caitlin was 133 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 1: shot in the skull twice in the head. There's a big, 134 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: large bullet wound in her car as well, which which 135 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: made people wonder if perhaps there were more than one 136 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: gun used. Now, her car, a red four Tempo, had 137 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: veered a cross oncoming traffic. Luckily there wasn't any, and 138 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: she ended up or the car ended up smashed into 139 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: a pole on the sidewalk near on a street called Lomas, 140 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: which is a fairly busy street normally. And now after that, 141 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:26,479 Speaker 1: there was a police officer who was off duty. Nevertheless, 142 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 1: I think police officers are never always off duty. He 143 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 1: drives by and he sees this. He thinks it's just 144 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: a car, and there's another car next to it, a 145 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: Volkswagen Bug, and he thinks, oh, they're just looking at cars. Now, 146 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: how did that make sense? When there are two cars 147 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: on the sidewalk and one is smashed into a pole. 148 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 1: But that's the initial thought. He doesn't see Caitlin because 149 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: she slumped over in her car on the front seat. 150 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: He comes back around and calls it in as an 151 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: accident without injuries. Oh wow, oh wow again, how does 152 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: one make that decient? I guess they didn't even get 153 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:21,959 Speaker 1: close enough to the vehicle to realize she was inside. 154 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:28,199 Speaker 1: Climb Stories with Nancy Grace. Cheryl McCollum. You have been 155 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 1: working this case for so long. You know ins and 156 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 1: outs of the case like many others, don't you? And 157 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: Jolene and Carry what's your understanding of what happened to 158 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: night that this young girl, gorgeous young girl, brilliant young 159 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: girls just shot dad in traffic. It's like a random shooting. Nancy. 160 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: It's unbelievable that this would be a drive by shooting 161 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:56,959 Speaker 1: with that accuracy. And let me say like that, why 162 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: do you say drive by shooting because you make it 163 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: sound like, oh, I'm just gonna drive to mcdonaldson grab 164 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 1: a shake, as if there's shape machines ever work. But 165 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 1: I was gonna drive through just to drive by a highway. 166 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 1: This is seemingly a random murder. And here she is 167 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:20,959 Speaker 1: mining her own business and seemingly some freak does a 168 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: thrill kill just shoot her for no reason exactly. But 169 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: when you look at it closer and you realize Kate 170 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: was traveling approximately forty miles an hour. Did you see 171 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 1: forty or thirty forty okay struck in her left temple. 172 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: She's also then struck in her left cheek, maybe an 173 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: inch apart. Nancy. That is unbelievable shooting for a target 174 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:50,319 Speaker 1: that is moving, especially if the shooter is in another 175 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: vehicle also moving. You and I know people at the 176 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: police academy standing steel with a target that ain't moving, 177 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: that couldn't do that. This is unbelievable what they have 178 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: so far. So you've got two shots to the left 179 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: temple she's driving her car. I mean, in my mind, 180 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: Patricia Carristo, Director Resource Center or Victims of Violent Death MPI, 181 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,319 Speaker 1: in my mind, how could you get off? I mean 182 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: even a sharpshooter could a sharp maybe with an automatic 183 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: whip him get off two shots that quickly while Caitlin's 184 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: car is moving, one to the left temple and one 185 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: also on the left side of the head. You're exactly right. 186 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,079 Speaker 1: And after she was shot twice in the head, her 187 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: car travels seven hundred and fifty feet and she ends 188 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: up against the car, ends up against the pull. We 189 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: tried to reconstruct that several ways and several times, and 190 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: it just seems unlikely how they've happened. There's contemplation that 191 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:01,319 Speaker 1: there was another shot fired when her vehicle was stopped 192 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 1: at the pole, and we don't have enough facts to 193 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 1: have been known point to compare all the data with 194 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 1: I'm trying to take in everything you're saying. Are you 195 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: saying we don't have enough facts to determine the known 196 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: point from which the shooter fired? Exactly? Gotcha? Gotcha? Was 197 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: the window upper down Cheryl McCollum. Or window had been 198 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: shattered till it was up window up to you, Doctor 199 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: Tim Gallagher, The likelihood of surviving a shot to the 200 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: head through the left temple very low, and as evidenced 201 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: by the fact that her car kept going and slammed 202 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: into a pole. I mean I think that she was 203 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: essentially gone. Well, how could she survive two shots to 204 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: the head, one through the left temple and still be 205 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: alive at the hospital, Doctor Gallagher, A very good question. 206 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: Shots to the head, especially to the sides of the head, 207 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: are ninety nine point five percent fatal um. They would 208 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: also depend on the caliber of the bullet. A twenty 209 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: two caliber bullet is very small and you have a 210 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: higher chance of surviving that um. So two shots to 211 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: the hood survivals you could have possibly been declared brain 212 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: dead at that point? Was that was brain dead technically speak? 213 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: What does that mean? Well, brain data is a terminology 214 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: meaning that the brain is not receiving enough blood flow 215 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: to function, to function the organs of the body to 216 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: function the arms and legs, and to appear to give 217 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: life to the to the body. So the brain is 218 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: not capable of performing its function and so the body 219 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: can't take any commands. So while your heart is still pumping. 220 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: Your brain is not telling your body to do anything, 221 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: so you just lie there. Absolutely your Your heart does 222 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: not need your brain to tell it to beat. It'll 223 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: beat on its own. So the body appears to be alive. 224 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: There is You can breathe via the life support system, 225 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: the respirator. You can get your nutrition through a feeding tube. 226 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: You can be there for quite a while, but you 227 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: will have no conscious ability. You will have no quality 228 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: of life. Through a cat scan or an MRI. Right, 229 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: there are tests that you can do. Blood flow tests. 230 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: You would inject chemicals into the body that would show 231 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: what the blood flow is to the brain. And then 232 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: you would also do tests to the body. You would 233 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: do deep pain tests. For instance, you would you would 234 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: put a sharp bot to the bottom of their foot 235 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: and see if they react to that, you know, and 236 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: if there's no reaction, then, based on all of the 237 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: evidence you've collected, Chala, then declare that person. People ask 238 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: me all the time, how do you do what you do? 239 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 1: Doesn't it bother you? How do you do what you do? 240 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 1: Talking about shooting chemicals into somebody's body and stabbing them 241 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: in the foot, Well, like Muddy Waters used to say, 242 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 1: I love what I do, and I do what I 243 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 1: love well. I did not expect Mundy Waters quote this morning, 244 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 1: but I'm glad you said that. I'm totally stealing it. 245 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: Climb stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, none of it makes 246 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: any sense, and that is when police get stymied. They 247 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: can't seem to figure anything out. The case seemingly goes cold, 248 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: and then is there a break in the case. Take 249 00:17:55,720 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: a listen to Larry Barker koat TV. Months after the murder, 250 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: a major break in the case and informant names two suspects. 251 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 1: Other witnesses also come forward. Police finally get murder indictments 252 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: in the case, but that case crumbled when those witnesses 253 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 1: later changed their stories. Witnesses, whether out of fear, whether 254 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 1: out of some other motivation, just told us that what 255 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: they had originally told us did not happen. The two 256 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: suspects are released. The our Quette family now accuses Auclane's 257 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: leads were not followed, including one alleging the involvement of 258 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 1: a Vietnamese gang that was extensively who looked into We 259 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: were aware of that soon after the homicide occurred. We 260 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 1: could find no tie to the homicide, and then to 261 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 1: get the msice getting carry our cat. I just awe 262 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: hearing that they think they've got the killer and then 263 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 1: it turns out to all be a lie. How mad 264 00:18:54,920 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 1: anybody even do that? Carrie? Do you remember when you guys, you, 265 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: your family, your mom, thought it's solved, and then one 266 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:08,199 Speaker 1: by one each defendant was let go. It was like 267 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: being on an emotional roller coaster. Well, this whole thing 268 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: has been like being on an emotional roller coaster. You 269 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 1: get your hopes up and then they're dashed, and then 270 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 1: you get your hopes up and they're dashed again. It's 271 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: just truly exhausting. Carrie. I gotta just tell you. You know, 272 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: you and I have met in person and discussed this, 273 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: and just hearing you talk right now it's just giving 274 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: me chills all over my arms and legs, because just 275 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 1: thinking about what a horrible loss to lose, for Low is, 276 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 1: to lose your teen daughter, for you to lose your sister, 277 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:52,679 Speaker 1: the pain you're thrown into, and then to think the 278 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: case is solved and there's actually a grand jury indictment, 279 00:19:55,680 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 1: which scares me illegally, and then one by one each 280 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 1: suspect is let go and cut loose. Doctor Bethany Marshall. 281 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: I think I need to shrink right now, Why in 282 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 1: the world would tipsters or CI's confidential informants come forward 283 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 1: and name the wrong people and go so far as 284 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: they get a grand jury indictment relying on these witnesses, Nancy. 285 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: This is there's so many wrong aspects to the story. 286 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: I mean, all I can think of is that these 287 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 1: tipsters knew that this was a building story and they 288 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,439 Speaker 1: got excited. They wanted to be a part of it. 289 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: They wanted to be a part of the drama, so 290 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: they gave leads or so the Vietnamese gang, like you 291 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: want to get automatically, it's like the ad for Cosmopolitan Hotel, 292 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: just the right amount of wrong, you know, just like 293 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: they're trying. I don't know what you're saying, Well, what, okay, 294 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: there's an ad for the Cosmopolitan Hotel in Las Vegas 295 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 1: and okay, it's hell not. Mine is sin city for 296 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 1: a reason. But you know what White your your dairy 297 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 1: you're advancing is that they wanted to be in on 298 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,959 Speaker 1: a big story. And I've seen that. I've seen that happen. 299 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: But Cheryl mc if I can add to that about 300 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:33,199 Speaker 1: the family really quickly in the face of ambiguity or 301 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: not knowing what happened, we read our worst possible fears. 302 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 1: We human beings need predictability in order to feel safe. 303 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: So already um Lois's daughter Uh, a beloved sister, has 304 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: been shot in the side of the head. We don't 305 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,159 Speaker 1: even know who the killer is. Is this like the 306 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: DC sniper, like like Lee malvo or you know, one 307 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 1: of these types of killers. There's all these theories floating 308 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: around and it's so unpredictable, and then having all of 309 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: these false tipsters come in raises the level of unpredictability 310 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: and of anxiety and disease and uncertainty. So the dramas 311 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 1: not just building for the tipsters but the family. It's 312 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: just probably their minds are going wild at this point 313 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: and they just need the truth to settle them down 314 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: and to bring some order back into cham Through Cheryl McCullum, thinking, 315 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 1: you solved the case in finding out all this time 316 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 1: you had the wrong the wrong purp. But there's no 317 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 1: way that this young girl, Kaitlin Arkat has anything to 318 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: do with the Vietnamese gang. Well, how did it go 319 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: so wrong? Cheryl our boyfriend who was Vietnamese was caught 320 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: up in some insurance scams. What do you mean insurance scams. Well, 321 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: they would rent cards and then they would have brands 322 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: of another car, and from the rental car that they 323 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: would insure to the hills, they would run into the 324 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 1: other folks in a fake accident, and then everybody would 325 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: go to the hospital claim soft tissue injuries and get 326 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: paid for the insurance company. You have no idea how 327 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: common this is. At when I was in the DA's 328 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: office as a felony prosecutor, I had a fenderbenner. Somebody 329 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 1: ran into me from behind, of course, on my way 330 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: to a crime scene, and I was fit to be 331 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: tied because I was trying to get that crime scene 332 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: that night, Cheryl, I got over market like ten o'clock, 333 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: the phone rings. Nobody has my number I picked up below. 334 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 1: It's a runner. In other words, somebody has an end 335 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 1: at the police headquarters. Oh yeah, they get the police report, 336 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: they see I'm the victim. I'm perfectly fine, and my 337 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: phone number and call me trying to refer me to 338 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: a lawyer so I can go get my soft tissue tested. Well, 339 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: you can imagine what I had to say to that 340 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:06,360 Speaker 1: My point is it's not a violent crime, but it's 341 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: a scam. And so that is how they connect her 342 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,919 Speaker 1: through some Vietnamese gang because her boyfriend is in an 343 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,919 Speaker 1: assurance scam. Correct, But there's a connection with California and 344 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: some other people. So it got very convoluted. So they 345 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 1: were they knew know better than to throw out a 346 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: connection to California and some other people. What what what 347 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,959 Speaker 1: other people? Well, this became a spider web. I mean 348 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: there were it was a like a law person that 349 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 1: was involved. He wasn't an attorney, he was some kind 350 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: of paralegal. He would sign off on all this paperwork 351 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: and they were healthy scam though, oh absolutely saying that 352 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: she was going to reveal the scam. That was a theory. Okay, 353 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 1: you know what, when there's a complicated theory that you 354 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: have to bend into contortions to make it work very 355 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 1: then that's not it. That sounds more out of like 356 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: a murder mystery novel. So it's also scary how it 357 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: can go to indictment and go through a grand jury 358 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 1: and these people get indicted, but it was based on 359 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: a false witness pan out and the family sinks in despair. 360 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our nineteen Koat TV, her family 361 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: asking anyone who knows anything to please come forward. One 362 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: small detail could go a long way. If this was 363 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 1: your sister, if this was your child, wouldn't you want 364 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 1: somebody with a soul to have the courage to stand 365 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: up and do the right thing. The entire family no 366 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,400 Speaker 1: longer lives in New Mexico. Keith's mother died three years 367 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,880 Speaker 1: ago hoping to get the justice they deserve. Before she passed, 368 00:25:56,119 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: her father is now hoping for the same climb stories 369 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. To you Carry Arquette, This is Caitlin's sister, 370 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: now a criminologist and for those of you that don't 371 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,120 Speaker 1: know the name Lois Duncan, she is the world famous 372 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 1: author of Hotel for Dogs, which turned into a major movie. 373 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 1: With all the fame and success, she passed on from 374 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: this life never getting a resolution in her teen girls death. 375 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 1: To Carry Arquette, how did that affect your mom? Not 376 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: having a resolution? Well, mother was this plucky, little little 377 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:05,400 Speaker 1: tiny thing. But she was always just a writer, a dreamy, 378 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: dreamy woman who spun her stories. And then Kate was 379 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: murdered and mother turned into a mama there and she 380 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 1: was having to go against the grain of her nature, 381 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: going into the police department and meeting with attorneys and 382 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 1: doing interviews, and it just I think it broke her. 383 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:38,239 Speaker 1: She the stress of it finally took her down. And 384 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,199 Speaker 1: you know what, Nancy, she said. Mother always said, I 385 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: will not die before I find justice for Kate. But 386 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: they say what people make plans and God laughs. So 387 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:56,959 Speaker 1: mother died in twenty sixteen, but you know what, I 388 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: think that she's still around. I have people telling me 389 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 1: right now that they've had very odd things happen recently 390 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: that made them think that mother's skill very much a 391 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 1: part of this story. There is a major break in 392 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: the case. Listen. Fifty three year old Paul Opadacca showed 393 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 1: up to the UNM police station last month, claiming he 394 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: had found God and wanted to confess to crimes he 395 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: says he committed decades ago. The Arquette case is one 396 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: of the most infamous cold cases in Albuquerque history because 397 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: of her mother's high profile books about the murder. In 398 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine, eighteen year old Caitlin Arquette was a 399 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: recent Highland High grads set to go to UNM. Her 400 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: life cut short after she was shot in the head 401 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: in her car on Lomis near Broadway. Her mother, author 402 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: Lois Duncan, wrote two books on her daughter's murder, was 403 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 1: featured on Unsolved Mysteries, and blogged about every detail she learned, 404 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: including that fifty three year old Paul Opadacca was at 405 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: this scene of her daughter's murder. However, Opadacca was never 406 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: even questioned by police. Straight out to Jolene Gutirez Krueger 407 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: with the Albuquerque Journal, did I just hear it correctly? 408 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: That was our friend Courtney Allen at k r QE 409 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: speaking He was at the same but never questioned. Paul 410 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 1: Appadacco was at the scene. He was seen by not 411 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: only the first detective that arrived, but the second one. 412 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 1: By the time that the ambulance workers got there, neither 413 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: the police officers nor Paul Appadaca were there. There was 414 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: no indication that they ever interviewed him at all. If 415 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: they had, they would have found a plethora of a 416 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: criminal activity that might have given them at least a 417 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: little bit of a questioning as too. Could he have 418 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 1: been the guy Charlotte whom I don't understand it. The 419 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: guys at the scene, How is that corps appear, they 420 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: don't question him, and then they leave. They leave the 421 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: scene unattended, and they don't see Caitlyn dead in the 422 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: car seat. There's no answers for any of that. At 423 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: any scene. He should have been taken down to headquarters 424 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: and interviewed exactly what did he see, when did he 425 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: see it? Where was he standing? What did he hear? 426 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: That wasn't done. They took his name and he gave 427 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 1: a fake phone number. That was it. He was also 428 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 1: able to move a car. There was a VW scene 429 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: at the scene, and when the second detective arrived, that 430 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: car was no longer there. You know, why is it 431 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: that people seem to always find God behind bars? He's 432 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: outside of bars too. Is it a ploy Cheryl? I 433 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: think it's a ploye Sometimes I think it's a stunt. 434 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: Sometimes if you have a religious affiliation, you get better food, 435 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 1: you get to leave and go to chapel, and you 436 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: get to do other things, you get to have more visitation. 437 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: And told you what happened in court right how I 438 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 1: was taking it had to play in arrayment calendar and 439 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: someone one of the defendants saw my cross iwere came in. 440 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 1: Then it was further noticed continued a week he came 441 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,479 Speaker 1: in the next I guess it was Tuesday morning for 442 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: another plan in arrayment, and he had, in the meantime 443 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 1: woven a giant cross out of yarn, I mean this 444 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: big and was wearing it around his neck. I'm like, okay, 445 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 1: let me be clear. Sometimes it's true. This guy walked in. Okay, 446 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: I agree, sometimes it's true. I'm happy it's true. But 447 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: then the next eight guys came in with giant yarn crosses. 448 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: Onto that's quiet, very grand Cord has been busy again. Okay, 449 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: let's talk about this guy that finds God then comes 450 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 1: in and makes a confession. Is it real? Take a 451 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: listen to our friends at k r Q E. Albadaca 452 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 1: told police he had developed a hatred for women because 453 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 1: they always go for the bad guys and he was 454 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 1: a nice guy, but they didn't want that. But one 455 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: thing we haven't known is he had a dislike. And 456 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: there was a dislike for women, and that will be 457 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 1: coming up in as one of the motivating factors. And 458 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: you really can you really truly know exactly why somebody 459 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 1: does something so horrible a dislike from women to you, 460 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall. He sounds like one of the original 461 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 1: in cells Involuntary Selimus said, Hey, women, that's absolutely right. 462 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: Not only do they hate women, but they want to 463 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 1: have power over them. They want to dominate them and 464 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: then potentially kill them. I mean, they cannot stand to 465 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 1: see women being beautiful out in the world, living their life, 466 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 1: Yan about to go to college. They just want to 467 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 1: snuff the life out of them. Nancy to carry Arquette 468 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 1: joining us. This is Caitlin's sister. When you heard about 469 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: his confession and the fact that he had been on 470 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 1: the scene and was never questioned, what went through your mind? 471 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: Tell me what happened? I thought this is insanity, But 472 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 1: really it made me furious. It made me absolutely utterly furious, 473 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 1: and so I really struggled with the idea that he 474 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 1: had finally come forward. I had prayed for that for 475 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: a very long time. But the fact that he had 476 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: waited this long and he had gone on to hurt 477 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: other people, and if the cops had done their job 478 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 1: at the time that Kate was murdered and gotten him 479 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: off the street, the lives of other women would not 480 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 1: have and so profoundly and negatively affected Carry Arquette true 481 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: awards were never spoken. Listen to our francy at k RQA. 482 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 1: Police say Opadacca was arrested last month for violating his probation. 483 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 1: They say he told them that he was responsible for 484 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 1: several murders and rapes in the eighties and nineties, including 485 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: Oakley's murder. He told police he was working as a 486 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: security aide at TVI, which is now CNM, and saw 487 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 1: her walking away from a fraternity party. He said he 488 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 1: was planning to rape her, but stabbed her instead. Oakley 489 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 1: stumbled to the neighbor's house and told them she had 490 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 1: been stabbed. She was taking to the hospital where she died. 491 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 1: APD says Oppadacca also confessed to killing eighteen year old 492 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: Caitlin Arquette a year later, as she was driving on 493 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,760 Speaker 1: lo Miss. The murder became a high profile because Arquette 494 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 1: was the daughter of author Lois Duncan. Just think about this. 495 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,880 Speaker 1: Paul Opadacca, the first person at the crime, saying driving 496 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 1: a VW bug, the same kind of car witnesses saw 497 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 1: fleeing after the shooting. Never questioned. Thirty two years later, 498 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 1: he confesses to carry Arquette. What is your family's response, 499 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: It's a very good question because you're addressing it to 500 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,880 Speaker 1: the family. And one of the things that happened after 501 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:35,360 Speaker 1: Kate's murder was that the family it dissolved in many ways. 502 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 1: Paul Appadaka murdered my sister, but he also killed my family. 503 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 1: Everybody kind of disbanded, moved to different areas and dealt 504 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:53,239 Speaker 1: with their grief in very, very different ways. And we 505 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 1: tried once or twice to do Christmas the way we 506 00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 1: had always done it. It was a big holiday for 507 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 1: the family, but it felt like we were all acting 508 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 1: roles because Kate's placed in front of the Christmas tree 509 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 1: was empty. So when you talk about how is the 510 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 1: family feeling, each person is such an individual that I 511 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 1: think that they would have to answer that themselves. I 512 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 1: think that we're almost too afraid to invest in a 513 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 1: belief that this could be the conclusion of this horrible saga. 514 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 1: That much I could say about the family. I pray 515 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: this case will finally end for Caitlin's family. We wait 516 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 1: as just a sentols Nancy Grace Grom's story signing off 517 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 1: Goodbye Friend.