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Speaker 1: The Colin Card Podcast, presented by FanDuel Sports Book. Hi everybody,

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Speaker 1: and welcome in to the Wednesday Morning Podcast. Daryl Morey,

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Speaker 1: deal making GM of the Philadelphia seventy six ers, has

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Speaker 1: himself a James Hardened prototype. Wait, he's got James Harden.

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Speaker 1: Actually he'll be joining us in five minutes. I got

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Speaker 1: some thoughts. I was reading a story the other day.

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Speaker 1: There was a recent survey from the site real Estate

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Speaker 1: which ninety percent of millennials said there is such a

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Speaker 1: housing shortage right now, ninety percent said they would buy

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Speaker 1: the housing market. And I saw that and I thought, well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's what you do when scarcity is created. That's a

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Speaker 1: lot like what the Rams did with Matt Stafford. There's

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Speaker 1: he'd only made one Pro Bowl, and they said, well,

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Speaker 1: a losing record, even though he's finished fourth place multiple times.

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Speaker 1: We're going to roll the dice, give up multiple first

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Speaker 1: Matt Stafford to be with us. Listen, eighty two percent

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Speaker 1: of buyers millennials would be willing to purchase a fix

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Speaker 1: or upper even if it needed major repairs without seeing it.

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Speaker 1: And this is why you gotta take big swings. Listen.

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Speaker 1: You can always call a plumber, you can always hire

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Speaker 1: a contractor and fix things. It's the same thing with quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: You can solve your offensive line in a draft. You

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Speaker 1: can find receivers. There's thirty great ones a year in college.

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Speaker 1: There's seven great quarterbacks on the market. You do what

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Speaker 1: you gotta do. You take big swings to get one

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Speaker 1: other thoughts Kyler Murray making a lot of noise for

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. He scrubbed the an A Cardinals from

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Speaker 1: a social media They took some shots of him, leaked

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Speaker 1: it to Adam Schefter. He went back on social media.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't happen very often, but we saw something happen

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Speaker 1: during the pandemic. A big chunk of employees retired and

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Speaker 1: employees now for the only time in my life that

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Speaker 1: I can recall employees, even young talented employees. Young employees

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Speaker 1: have leverage sometimes over companies. Zip recruiter. You've heard of

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Speaker 1: Zip recruiter. They have job openings, they post job openings.

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Speaker 1: Since the pandemic started, the percentage of companies offering retirement

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Speaker 1: like that had mostly gone away, pensions had gone away,

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Speaker 1: what Kyler Murray has. Kyler Murray looks around and goes, Okay,

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson's in my division, Matt Stafford's in my division.

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Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan's in my division. What was Arizona before I

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Speaker 1: got here? The GM and the coach we're going to

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen got money early. Like Josh Allen, I'm getting

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Speaker 1: a global thinker, fancy guy. So you're in Philadelphia, let's

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Speaker 1: talk shows or I was glued to the radio. Everything

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Speaker 1: was the Browns obviously where I grew up, and that's

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Speaker 1: I don't I'm new to Philadelphia, but the fans in

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Speaker 1: the Northeast absolutely are different. They they like I think,

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Speaker 1: just look when it's snowing out and you're indoors all day,

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Speaker 1: you want your team to be playing well or that's right,

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Speaker 1: you get angry. You're not happy, that's right, especially if

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Speaker 1: the team does dumb things like you're really angry. So yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: I remember listening to wfa N the Yankees had made

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Speaker 1: some offseason trades. Now, I don't think well run teams

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Speaker 1: are influenced by this but the Mets at the time

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Speaker 1: weren't well run and they made a move. It was

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Speaker 1: the callers were killing the Mets. Make a move at

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Speaker 1: the break, make a move, and they went and got

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Speaker 1: Jason Bayan outfield or who just did not work at all.

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Speaker 1: You could tell he was a clunky outfielder. They had

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Speaker 1: a huge, spacious outfield. It wouldn't work. But the point

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Speaker 1: being is, I did think sometimes the intensity of the

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Speaker 1: media influenced front offices sometimes with the trade deadline, make

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Speaker 1: a move and because I think owners often listen to

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Speaker 1: that and then they put pressure on general managers. When

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Speaker 1: you look at this team right now, mbiad has a

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Speaker 1: little bit of an injury history. Do you feel and

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Speaker 1: Harden is now not twenty four years old, do you

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Speaker 1: feel Listen, this is a two or three year window.

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Speaker 1: How do you view the whole thing? I view it

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Speaker 1: as what look the most important years this year? Like

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Speaker 1: we're in this phase where I've never seen the MBA

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Speaker 1: so wide open. I don't know what you think, Colin,

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Speaker 1: It's like basically Phoenix, Golden State, Brooklyn, US, Milwaukee. If

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Speaker 1: you look in Vegas right now, pretty much all of

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Speaker 1: us have out the same odds and they're all about

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Speaker 1: one in six, so it's wide open. You don't see

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Speaker 1: a Golden State, which we kept banging against that wall.

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Speaker 1: You know, our Houston teams and prior to that, there

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Speaker 1: was a Miami that everyone had to bang their head against.

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Speaker 1: There's not a team like that that's sitting at forty

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Speaker 1: fifty title odds, which can happen in best but it's

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Speaker 1: really rare, So it's wide open. This year is the

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Speaker 1: most important. But we've got a good run Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame players like James the age well, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think if you look at both modern the modern techniques

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Speaker 1: that are out there, Hall of Fame level ball handlers,

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Speaker 1: the best by que players. There's a few in the

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Speaker 1: league I can't mention, but you can say are playing

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Speaker 1: at a very high level late into their thirties, and

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Speaker 1: so we feel very good. Look, Joel is a big

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Speaker 1: bigs generally don't last quite as long, especially as you

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Speaker 1: get over seven feet. These years are critical, like the

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Speaker 1: next few years, and we have I think arguably for

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Speaker 1: sure the best perimeter in terrier combination in the lake.

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Speaker 1: If I'd never seen Joel all Joel nbad play and

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Speaker 1: and you were sending me out to scout him, and

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Speaker 1: you said, hey, I want you to go look at

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Speaker 1: this guy. You're gonna go scout this series. And I said, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I hear this. Joel Embiad is great. I'd never seen

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Speaker 1: him play. How would you describe him to somebody? Well,

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Speaker 1: it depends on your age year old enough, so I'd say,

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Speaker 1: Hakim Elijahalan if seven foot one, I mean as you.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you've been next to Hakim, but

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Speaker 1: he's like, yes, six ten and he's tall, but he's

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Speaker 1: not like in like when I was a kid watching

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Speaker 1: on TV, I like, for sure he's seven feet until

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Speaker 1: you get with him. So imagine a seven foot one

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Speaker 1: Hakim Elijahan would be. They're different in some ways, but

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Speaker 1: both were two way players. Both were extraordinarly impactful defensively.

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Speaker 1: Both were extraordinarily skilled offensively with amazing footwork. You know,

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Speaker 1: I remember, like one of the biggest wild moments when

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Speaker 1: I first came to Philadelphia You'll never guess, was the

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Speaker 1: Wizard's Playoffs last year. Joel came down and sort of

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Speaker 1: tweaked his tweaked his leg like I remember, yeah, tweaked

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Speaker 1: his leg. He actually didn't play Game four because he

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Speaker 1: tweaked in the game three, didn't play Game four in

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Speaker 1: the back hallway, and you know, Josh Harris and the

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Speaker 1: group had already built up a wonderful medical staff around him.

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Speaker 1: Put him through this regiment that they've built, that they

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Speaker 1: have for when anything happens. Let's just let's put I

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Speaker 1: caught the Jiffy Lube fifty seven point tests. They like.

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Speaker 1: Run Joel through all these paces. He was able to

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Speaker 1: do moves with both legs off each leg balance that

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Speaker 1: I think Samone Biles would have been moderately impressed with,

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Speaker 1: with his mobility and balance and strength off each leg

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Speaker 1: at his size, I've never seen anything like it. And

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Speaker 1: people say the same about Elijuan So and they both

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Speaker 1: played soccer growing up. I think the parallels are there,

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Speaker 1: except Joel's, you know, three inches taller and much bigger. Actually,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw something that's kind of weird. So there

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Speaker 1: was always this saying that there were more bigs that

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Speaker 1: busted than guards, and some of that was personality driven,

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Speaker 1: that if you were seven feet tall in ninth grade,

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Speaker 1: it's difficult socially, and that a lot of the bigs

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Speaker 1: in my lifetime, Wilt was kind of flaky. Kareem was

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Speaker 1: sort of stoic. A lot of centers busted and if

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Speaker 1: you look at four centers, four or five centers who

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Speaker 1: didn't David Robinson, a Cheam Shack and Bead Jannis, they

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Speaker 1: all share something, a very joyful personality, a transferable sort

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Speaker 1: of personality in a locker room. Is that they handled

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Speaker 1: their size at a young age. Maybe maybe they weren't

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Speaker 1: as tall at eleven. And that first my initial theory,

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Speaker 1: which is biggs heard for years, could be very different people,

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Speaker 1: but a lot of the great ones and you've got

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Speaker 1: one they handled that kind of social challenge differently and

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Speaker 1: they're very happy people and it plays in a room. Yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: their EQ is generally generally higher. Well, I've actually studied

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Speaker 1: by big bust at a higher rate. And it's why.

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Speaker 1: It's two factors, and it's related to what you say.

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Speaker 1: So there's there's two big factors. One as they're overpicked.

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Speaker 1: So let's say you're a GM. It's not as true

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Speaker 1: anymore because people know the games are going towards more

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Speaker 1: skilled in size. But if you look through the history

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Speaker 1: of NBA drafts, the if you start to get into

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Speaker 1: the late first second round, a lot of gems in

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Speaker 1: the past are like, well, I probably won't get fired

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Speaker 1: if I picked the seventh footer, and if it hits,

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Speaker 1: it hits, it's amazing. But they were just over selected.

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Speaker 1: They really were like, it's like provable in the data

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Speaker 1: and then on time, but that this is less less

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Speaker 1: databasis and more psychology. A lot of Biggs play the

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Speaker 1: game just because they were tall early and they were

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Speaker 1: encouraged by somebody parents, friends, coach at their local school, Hey,

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Speaker 1: you should play basketball. You're tall, right, But they don't

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Speaker 1: develop the habits and love the game as much. And

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Speaker 1: that's what usually sustains you all the way to be

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Speaker 1: a great player in the NBA. You can a lot

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Speaker 1: of them will even get to the NBA not love it,

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Speaker 1: but that the work ethic after you get paid millions

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Speaker 1: of dollars is still very high and needed. And so

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Speaker 1: both of those I think contribute to a bus trade.

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Speaker 1: And you're right, I hadn't noticed that the biggs you

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Speaker 1: mentioned are very gregarious, very you know, sort of smart,

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Speaker 1: and they they use they had to use their social

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Speaker 1: skills to sort of survive some tough early times in

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Speaker 1: their life, right, see Daryl. A lot of My theories

556
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Speaker 1: aren't bullshit. They work. I haven't heard of analytics. You

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Speaker 1: haven't brought a man? Where'd that? There you go? I

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Speaker 1: don't remember what a bad but I loved it. It

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Speaker 1: was one my favor Yeah, well, I mean this is

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Speaker 1: you know what we're seeing it in the NFL too,

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Speaker 1: the analytics. I've always been a fan of them because

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Speaker 1: I think it's smarter sports. But I but I but

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Speaker 1: I've said before, I don't want to reduce my athletes

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Speaker 1: to code. Like there are moments with Doc Rivers it's

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Speaker 1: like I want Doc to look the athlete in the

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Speaker 1: eye and be like, dude, I just want you to

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Speaker 1: take the shot. He does that. That's actually what we're

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Speaker 1: excited about. I think when when obviously I came after

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Speaker 1: Doc and Nolt, we're here, and they thought that the

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Speaker 1: three of us to dick together could make great things.

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Speaker 1: And so far I've been learning so much from Doc.

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Speaker 1: He's won a title. I think our strengths are very

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Speaker 1: complimentary us. He's unbelievable with players motivation doing what you

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Speaker 1: just said, which is like, you know, I have a

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Speaker 1: feeling this guy's going to deliver for us tonight. And

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Speaker 1: he does a really great job with that. I always

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Speaker 1: felt he was Joe Tory as a baseball manager. He is.

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Speaker 1: He reminds me of the step dad you don't want

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Speaker 1: to disappoint. Interesting. I also think like this whole three

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Speaker 1: one thing is really nuts because like he's had a

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Speaker 1: bunch of big leads, do you know how to create

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Speaker 1: the big lead? Doc Rivers and the team, Like, what

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Speaker 1: does it matter losing seven games? It's somehow worse if

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Speaker 1: you do it going up three one and then losing seven.

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Speaker 1: Then what if we just alternated every game? No one

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Speaker 1: would talk about it. So, like, to me, actually building

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Speaker 1: a three one lead is a huge achievement. Obviously, if

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Speaker 1: you coach long enough, you're gonna have some good times.

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00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: You can have some bad times, he said both. So

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Speaker 1: it's just like everyone's trying to find a story for

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Speaker 1: why they're up or down on something. You know, which

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Speaker 1: is which is fine, That's part of the job. So

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Speaker 1: you know, it's it's interesting because generationally, I mean, you know, basketball,

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Speaker 1: especially professional basketball, hip hop, art music, culturally it's ahead

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Speaker 1: of other leagues. So that could create a generational issue

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Speaker 1: if the coach is too old. I mean in football,

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Speaker 1: we don't really talk about Belichick. He's seventy. It's not

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00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: really a thing, right, Saban's seventy. But in basketball it

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Speaker 1: is interesting. A is age. See Doc feels young to

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Speaker 1: me because in LA and he feels young to me

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Speaker 1: like a five handicap or so. I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: haven't played with them because I'm not good enough. But

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00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: but yeah, no, he's he's a he's a very youthful

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Speaker 1: and I think he connects with the players very well.

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Speaker 1: Darryl um NBA has been a player's league since Spencer Heywood,

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Speaker 1: it's been a players league forever. I do think there's

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Speaker 1: a danger in labor running anything is that they're more emotional,

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Speaker 1: They're more self concerned than the mackerel level. And I

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Speaker 1: did think, yeah, ok, touch all truistic. Um. What is

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Speaker 1: the balance though, taking care of your stars, taking care

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Speaker 1: of your players, but them understanding this is a big

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Speaker 1: business and we're all in this together. Yeah, it's a balance. Look,

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Speaker 1: you only win with great players, but that you only

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Speaker 1: win and when you can make those great players be

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Speaker 1: part of something larger than themselves. So again, this is

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Speaker 1: where Doc comes in. It is not an easy balance.

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Speaker 1: I think every coach GM has struggled with this balance

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Speaker 1: over their times and different teams. But you have to

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Speaker 1: if you're just like all I just want to have

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Speaker 1: players who shoot corner threes and do all this stuff.

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Speaker 1: But really the job is personality management, getting them in

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Speaker 1: the right instant, the right you know, a role, the

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Speaker 1: right frame of mind to succeed. And then you know,

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Speaker 1: putting them in a system that enhances their strengths and

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Speaker 1: minimizes their weaknesses. And you know, if it was if

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Speaker 1: it was all about just like their skill on the chord,

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Speaker 1: Tracy McGrady. Make sure download The Draymond Green Show wherever

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Speaker 1: you get your podcasts, only on the Volume podcast Network.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna throw a couple of ideas for the

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Speaker 1: NBA because I think NBA has always been willing. Yeah okay, wait,

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Speaker 1: so um, I said today, what are what are his

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Speaker 1: black and tars? After every w so hells he'll have

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Speaker 1: some wacky ideas. Okay, so here I'm more of a

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Speaker 1: business guy than Nick. I try to tell him that.

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Speaker 1: So um, I would cut the lead down to about

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Speaker 1: seventy four games because the revenue produced by television. You're

643
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Speaker 1: not as beholden two seats and food sold in parking

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Speaker 1: is that. I would think about reducing it to seventy

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Speaker 1: four to seventy games, no back to backs, little longer

646
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Speaker 1: all star break, add perhaps another round of playoffs. I

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Speaker 1: would cut first round too, best of five, not seven.

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00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: Less is more, I think, I think the money being

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Speaker 1: generated by television puts less of a burden on butts

650
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Speaker 1: in seats thoughts. So you're a one hundred percent right,

651
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: but you gotta just you're too timid. You gotta go

652
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: farther to me. Like I like fifty eight. I like

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Speaker 1: every team plays every team two times, So like a

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Speaker 1: fifty eight game schedule, you're one hundred percent right. You'll

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Speaker 1: make up any loss, like you know, revenue from tickets

656
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Speaker 1: and whatever over time in better ratings, Like people tune

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Speaker 1: in because it's a big game and they tune in

658
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,919
Speaker 1: and how likely you can win the title. And too

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Speaker 1: many times in the NBA there's a Monday night two

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Speaker 1: teams who aren't very good playing and it's just it's

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Speaker 1: not good. It's not good for the sport, and we're

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Speaker 1: moving that way. I would addam midseason tournament, which Adam

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Speaker 1: Silver's done a really nice job. He's pushing that we

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Speaker 1: just won. Not in our minor leagues the playoffs one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent agree shorter is better. I would have it

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Speaker 1: one and done. One and done. Every game is going

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Speaker 1: to be like a super Bowl or something until the

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Speaker 1: conference finals, the whole way. And I know, I'm I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I'm like the guy everyone who says it's crazy, but

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Speaker 1: there's a reason everyone tunes into every game at huge ratings.

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Speaker 1: In the NFL, it is literally one and done. And

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Speaker 1: the NSA tournament in sixty three games gets more TV

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Speaker 1: money than we do in our entire regular season. So like,

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Speaker 1: the more drama, the more TV ratings, the more money.

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Speaker 1: Like so in terms of your business, I would do

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Speaker 1: I know these are radical things. Everyone in the league

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Speaker 1: thinks I'm crazy, but I would do one and done.

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Speaker 1: I would have the regular season if you're the top two,

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Speaker 1: you get to buy. If you're the next few, you

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Speaker 1: get seated. Well, the rest have to do a one

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Speaker 1: and done play in And yeah, I'm I like radical

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Speaker 1: and creating huge appointment. We just saw the super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: We want any sports to want more games that are

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Speaker 1: close to the super Bowl. Nothing's going to beat the

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Speaker 1: super Bowl for a little while, though. I think I

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Speaker 1: think the NBA can pass the NFL in my lifetime

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Speaker 1: for sure for their biggest game being being a big deal.

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Speaker 1: I would disagree, but nonetheless, here's my second idea. Oh great,

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Speaker 1: I'm good. I would institute the hand check again. Here's why.

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Speaker 1: Initially the hand check was eliminated, and sort of that

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Speaker 1: forearm you could use in the back of a center

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Speaker 1: because it was it felt like almost a violent move.

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Speaker 1: But I would argue the lack of a hand check

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Speaker 1: and the evolution of the quickness, the twitchiness, and the

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Speaker 1: town of players. You cannot stay in front of point guards.

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Speaker 1: They go to the basket and have trees fall on them.

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Speaker 1: And increasingly little guys are getting hurt more, and that

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Speaker 1: the quarterbacks of your sport. I don't care who gets

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Speaker 1: hurt when the point when Chris Paul's out, the Suns

700
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Speaker 1: are not as much fun to watch, and the Warriors

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Speaker 1: aren't as much fun to watch when they don't have

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Speaker 1: Steph Curry. You can lose a forward even occasionally a

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Speaker 1: big I want to see movement institute a hand check

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Speaker 1: to be able to at least simulate some level of

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Speaker 1: keeping littles out of the paint. It will actually preserve

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Speaker 1: smaller players. Yeah, So where I'd agree with you primarily

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Speaker 1: is that what we have to what we have to

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Speaker 1: stop in the league's moving in a good direction is

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Speaker 1: that if you are somewhere within like five feet in

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Speaker 1: the end near the basket, it's basically still mixed marl

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Speaker 1: arcs under the hoop. Like if you've sat under the hoop,

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Speaker 1: which I bet you have, Yes, you can't imagine the

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Speaker 1: level of strength, athleticism and the amount of physical just

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Speaker 1: huge bodies hitting huge bodies that you see and and

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Speaker 1: that's what's allowed five feet and end. And then you

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Speaker 1: go in the perimeter and you can barely breathe on

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Speaker 1: a point guard who's five ten and fast going past you.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense whatsoever to the rules. It

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Speaker 1: creates like really weird things when you're in the brackish

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Speaker 1: area from five feet to ten feet. It's like so

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, like you you're like you have

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Speaker 1: to go from like I can't touch them to now

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Speaker 1: it can be physical but they're driving. It's it's it's

724
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Speaker 1: very complicated and it's easier said than done to try

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Speaker 1: and clean it up. But I would say you either

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Speaker 1: need to like not allow the physical play also in

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Speaker 1: the interior, or you have to get back to allowing

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Speaker 1: when there's contact. There's there has to be extreme levels

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Speaker 1: of contact that moves people off their line, off their base,

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Speaker 1: off their inertial position before you're calling a foul. Even

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Speaker 1: on the perimeter and the interior, you can like go

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Speaker 1: up and hammer someone, and especially if it's like a

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Speaker 1: loose ball and there's almost never a call, like unless

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Speaker 1: the guys like tackling them or physically throwing them down,

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Speaker 1: or it's a very obvious they jump in the air

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Speaker 1: and they get pushed to the reficans see them getting

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Speaker 1: knocked off a line. Otherwise it's basically anything goes on

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Speaker 1: the interior and it's basically too much like barely touching

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Speaker 1: them in the perimeter. Finally, this isn't a theory it's

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Speaker 1: just I like that I can take you to these places,

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Speaker 1: or you can take my audience to places. There was

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Speaker 1: for a time the international players were seen as more finesse,

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Speaker 1: but more highly skilled because of the academies they went

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Speaker 1: into early, especially Biggs. They were front facing the basket,

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00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 1: better shooters, Dirk Naviski, and the sense was the American

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Speaker 1: player was a little more physical, not as skilled, a

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Speaker 1: little tougher. In your years in the NBA, I'm seeing

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Speaker 1: little nastier international players and more skilled American players at

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Speaker 1: least earlier. That's my interpretation. You tell me, am I

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Speaker 1: all onto something you're not. Yeah, I think the league's

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00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 1: gotten more skill base. Like there's very very few like

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00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: one dimensional rebounders. They're a bunch when I would like

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Speaker 1: Reggie Evans, they're the you know, the the Theo Ratler.

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Speaker 1: They're just like one dimensional, really guys, and you just

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Speaker 1: can't have it. To have an offense that can that

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00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 1: can put big points on the board, you need skill

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00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 1: at all five positions. So skill has become more of

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Speaker 1: a premium. People are better at our lower levels in

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00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: the United States to do more with bigs and that

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Speaker 1: they are put the ball in their hand more because

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Speaker 1: they know that's how they're going to become an NBA player.

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Speaker 1: So you'll verily rarely find a top prospect or top

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Speaker 1: hundred two hundred prospects who's not who doesn't have the

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Speaker 1: ball in their hands, no matter what their size, at

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Speaker 1: a very young age. Now, so that's adding to our

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00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: skilled bigs. We obviously have a huge number of people

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Speaker 1: playing in the NBA, so have a huge talent base.

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00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: Like it's like in Kenya, the reason they have amazing runners,

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Speaker 1: the entire country runs. In the US, everyone plays basketball,

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Speaker 1: so and we're a country of three hundred fifty to

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Speaker 1: four hundred millions, so our talent is going to be hyper,

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Speaker 1: is going to get more and more skilled, especially at

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Speaker 1: a bigger and bigger sizes, and it's it's closed the

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Speaker 1: gap from internationals. So international players always were better ball handlers,

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00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 1: better shooters, better pastors because of how they trained, Like

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Speaker 1: our tourist Karnel Stovis, because the Chicago Bullsem we worked together,

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Speaker 1: I believe he tells me, I'm trying to that he

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00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: wasn't really allowed to play five on five until he

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Speaker 1: was like twelve. Like they just drilled ball handling, shooting,

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Speaker 1: It sounds horribly boring as someone who grew up in

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Speaker 1: the US and play basketball, but I had to play

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Speaker 1: till as twelve. And I'm sure there's some exaggeration. I'm

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00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: getting the story like, but more or less that's the case.

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Speaker 1: I had these academies to feed into the overall Soviet

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Speaker 1: system that Lithuania was a part of it at the time.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, long story short, to get back to original question,

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Speaker 1: I believe our players are getting more skilled in the US.

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00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: The training methods are better, the academy levels are better.

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Speaker 1: We have sort of like academies happening at the high

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00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: school level now and things like that, and it's closed

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Speaker 1: the gap to the skill and the international level. And

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Speaker 1: what that means is that the less athletic players from

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Speaker 1: from Europe, they don't have a big skill advantage anymore.

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Speaker 1: So they if you don't have a skill advantage, as

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Speaker 1: someone who didn't I don't know, if you played basketball,

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00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,479
Speaker 1: yes you probably were more skilled than me. I wasn't

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00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: skills tall and I was big, and so when you're

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Speaker 1: tall and big and less skilled, if you're not playing physically,

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Speaker 1: you're not bringing in anything. You may as well not play.

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Speaker 1: So I had to play very physical just to be

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Speaker 1: good enough to be on the floor. I at my

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Speaker 1: pathetic high school level. So anyway, I'm agreeing with you again.

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Speaker 1: I need to disagree there. If I want to future

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Speaker 1: radio program with you, I need to like make up

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00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: some controversies. Yeah, we have to manufacture banks, docture We

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Speaker 1: have to ask Brittany, like, you know, what, what made

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Speaker 1: up argument should we have today? Or stuffing like that.

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Speaker 1: But you know, one of the reasons I love bringing

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Speaker 1: you on is I've always been fascinated with the growth

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Speaker 1: of sports and the evolution of it. Even as a kid.

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Speaker 1: I grew up with Jim Zorn. He was a quarterback

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Speaker 1: for the Seahawks. He was a left hander. There were

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Speaker 1: no left hand Jim ran around I'll Zorn. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I don't know. That was kind of my my

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Speaker 1: uh indoctrination of sports. Professional sports was a lot of that.

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Speaker 1: Now I did grow up. I saw Wilt Chamberlain back

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Speaker 1: in seventy two or seventy three. He was old slow

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Speaker 1: headband laker. Wilt. I don't remember him, but I do remember,

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Speaker 1: you know. It's funny about my earliest sports memories. Spencer

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Speaker 1: Haywood is one of them, who was this great player

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Speaker 1: who fought back and said, no, no, no no, nobody's coming

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Speaker 1: to watch you guys, They're coming to watch me. Do

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Speaker 1: you remember Spencer Haywood. I don't know sincer Hey when

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Speaker 1: I was just glad he didn't reference George Mike and

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00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: earlier in the program, I wasn't. I do know of

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Speaker 1: Wild Chamberlain. I didn't. I didn't get to see. I'm

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Speaker 1: forty nine, so my, oh Jesus, so my my big,

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Speaker 1: my big first sports memories. One was my father taking

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Speaker 1: me to see Hankkaron when I was like six, uh

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Speaker 1: in Milwaukee, because I you know, I was born in Wisconsin,

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Speaker 1: And that's an early memory. In my other world is

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Speaker 1: I loved World Be Free? Yes, two? And you know

833
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 1: it's crazy as I see World Be Free every night.

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Speaker 1: He's from Philadelphia and he's like, you know, it's great,

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Speaker 1: Like sometimes I want to shoot him up because he's

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Speaker 1: in great shape and I know he can shoot, and shooting,

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Speaker 1: like shooting is a premium. World Be Free would be

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00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: much better now than he was. Pen I've said that

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Speaker 1: about I've said that about Dave Kingman, who played for

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Speaker 1: the Mets and Giants. Today be Cody Bellinger. Yeah, Rob

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Speaker 1: Dear was the next Dave Kingman basically, and now that's

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Speaker 1: in vogue. Either hit a home run or you're striking out,

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Speaker 1: so you're not hitting a double playball. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's yeah. That's another thing where baseball is going that

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Speaker 1: I want. I want more bunts and runs. I want

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Speaker 1: I want more, I want more fun stuff in the field.

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Speaker 1: Coll and analytics is ruining baseball's well. I will say this.

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Speaker 1: The one thing about analytics and basketball I like. I

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Speaker 1: love Chris Paul's game. I love the mid range jumper,

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Speaker 1: and I always had I think I told you this before,

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Speaker 1: is that the playoffs become situational. Like in baseball, analytics

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Speaker 1: are great for volume, but in the playoffs you'll ask

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Speaker 1: Clayton Kershaw to come out of the bullpen in the

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Speaker 1: NBA playoffs, hell, sometimes Darrel, I just need to stop,

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Speaker 1: and I need a basket. Kawhi Leonard's great at both

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Speaker 1: of those. So that that's might rub on analytics is

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Speaker 1: I do think they work all the time, but I

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Speaker 1: do think there are things in the playoffs situationally. For instance,

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Speaker 1: referees tend to swallow the whistle in the NBA conference

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Speaker 1: finals to finals. You're not Carl Malone. You're not going

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Speaker 1: to get the foul Carl Malone sometimes James Harden. So

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Speaker 1: like I always think the mid level player that Chris

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Speaker 1: Paul has increasing value as the season progresses. Is that reasonable? Well,

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Speaker 1: I think not only as you go into the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: but also late in the game some of the dynamics.

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Speaker 1: So one thing I'd like to clear up as I

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Speaker 1: have to defend the word analytics is people view it

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Speaker 1: as like going on fourth down or shooting threes, or

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Speaker 1: they boil it down to these talking points. And yes,

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Speaker 1: if you were to just say, every moment in a

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Speaker 1: game is the same, so at three is usually better

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Speaker 1: than the two, or every moment the game is the same,

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Speaker 1: and fourth and three on the forty is generally to

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Speaker 1: go forth than not whatever whatever it might be that

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Speaker 1: ignores that analytics is really just using data to inform

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Speaker 1: your decisions, so the decisions haven't changed. So laid in

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Speaker 1: a basketball game, let's say you're you're down one, for example,

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Speaker 1: and you have the last shot, Well, three does you know? Good? Now?

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Speaker 1: But three is no better than a two, Like you're

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Speaker 1: just trying to act. It's very important to go last,

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Speaker 1: so you don't want to leave time on the clock.

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Speaker 1: You want that shot to be as high percentage as possible,

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Speaker 1: whether it's a two or three. So, but that's analytics too,

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Speaker 1: is analyzing those probability shifts. So people sort of perceive

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Speaker 1: that like analytics somehow doesn't know about game context or

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00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: the fact that you know, going on fourth down is

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Speaker 1: dynamic based on how tough the defense you're going against

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Speaker 1: is or how good your offense is a generating short

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Speaker 1: yardage versus you know, expected value of yardage. So that's

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Speaker 1: all part of it, right, and so it becomes like

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Speaker 1: everything and nothing, But really all it means is like

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Speaker 1: I'm going to use data to help me make the

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Speaker 1: decision versus just make the decision based on my own

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Speaker 1: personal experience, which is basically I'm only using the data

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Speaker 1: of my lifetime and what I've watched, which is very

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Speaker 1: good data, but it's not all of it, and so

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Speaker 1: you should use that data and other data. That's really

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Speaker 1: all we're saying. I think I think we made America

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Speaker 1: smarter over the last thirty five minutes. I hope. So

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Speaker 1: I love coming on your show because I get the

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Speaker 1: best questions. So yeah, Nick, right, he Nick R. He'll

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Speaker 1: break down these basketball situations and I'm like, Nick, you

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Speaker 1: know that's the thing we're he's going for those sound

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Speaker 1: bite YouTube he's selling out, selling out like closer look style.

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Speaker 1: You and I are still have that garage band quality.

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Speaker 1: We haven't sold out yet, exactly. Yeah, none of us

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Speaker 1: have sold out. All right, Thanks Colin, appreciate it. Thanks

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Speaker 1: the volume.