1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace is coming to Fox Nation. I want justice. 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace available now only on Fox Nation. 3 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 1: How does a fifteen month old baby girl vanish into 4 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 1: thin air? How does mommy not know? Does grandmammy have 5 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: the baby? Does granddaddy have the baby? Does the babysitter 6 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 1: have the baby? What happened? Where is fifteen month old Evelyn? 7 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Join our investigation. 8 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Do you know where your 9 00:00:54,440 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: children are? Because I do? How can a fifteen month 10 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:06,680 Speaker 1: old baby girl, Evelyn just disappear? What's the confusion? Does 11 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 1: grandmammy have her? Does the babysitter have her? Has she 12 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: been abducted? Why am I getting so many different stories 13 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:21,119 Speaker 1: about where is baby? Even right there? That's a major 14 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: red flag. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being 15 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: with us here at Fox Nation and Serious XM one eleven. 16 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. I want you to take a listen 17 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 1: to the Sullivan County Sheriff's Department pressor. Finding Evelyn is 18 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,639 Speaker 1: our main concern and our top priority at this time. 19 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: This case is unlike anything I've ever been involved in. 20 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: We've had a child that's not been seen by the 21 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: parents or certain family members in almost two months and 22 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: was just reported this week. Evelyn was last seen in 23 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: December with As you all know, these cases are already 24 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: time sensitive and we urge anyone with any information to 25 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: come forward. I know there are a lot of questions 26 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: and rumors floating around. Believe me, we have a lot 27 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: of questions that still unanswered as well. The investigation began 28 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: on Tuesday afternoon, February eighteen, after the solden Cane Sheriff's 29 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: Office received a State of Tennessee Department of Children's Services referral. 30 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: The referral stated that certain family members hadn't seen the 31 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: Evelyn in two months. The solten Cane Sheriff's Office in 32 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: the Department of Children's Services immediately launched an investigation to 33 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: locate fifteen month old Evelyn Boswell. You know, at fifteen 34 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:38,239 Speaker 1: months old, a baby is about about that big. How 35 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: do you lose that? It's not like you lose your 36 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: car keys or your driver's license. How does this happen? 37 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: How does nobody know where the baby is? At? Another thing? 38 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: Two months? Did you hear what the sheriff, Jeff Cassidy 39 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: just said. The baby hasn't been seen in two months? 40 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: Is it taught? Mom? Casey Anthony all over again? It 41 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: took him sixty days to report the baby is missing. 42 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: With me an all star panel to analyze the clues 43 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: left behind with me. Ashley Wilcot, judge, trial lawyer, anchor 44 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: Court TV. You can find her at Ashley Wilcot dot com. 45 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: Bruce Johnson, owner IESP Investigations Master Sergeant, Region one Crime 46 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: SYNC Commander that doesn't come easy out of Chicago, Retired 47 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott, Morgan, Professor Forensics at Jacksonville State University. Author 48 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. You know, Joe Scott, 49 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: If that doesn't make somebody want to read the book, 50 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: I don't know what does Blood Beneath my Feet? Okay, 51 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna just think about that later. Also with me, 52 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall, Psychoanalysts to the Stars out on Rodeo 53 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: Drive joining me from Beverly Hills, She said, Doctor Bethany 54 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: Marshall dot com. But right now I want to go 55 00:03:55,720 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: to wc YB, Bristol, Virginia report. Kristen Kwan, Kristen, do 56 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: I have that number correct? Did two months pass before 57 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: anybody noticed the baby was missing or thought to call authorities. Kristen, Yes, 58 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: that would be correct. Two months went by before she 59 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 1: was reported by her grandfather to the Department of Children's Right, Kristen, 60 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: did you just say the grandfather reported her? That is correct. 61 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: The grandfather told the Department of Children's Services that he 62 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: hadn't seen the child in about two months. Okay, Ashu Wilcott, 63 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 1: you're a mom. Two months and you don't report the 64 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: child missing. Granddaddy has to report the child missing. What's 65 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: wrong with that? Petri ashe a lot strong with the 66 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: picture in terms of ourselves. Hey, Ashley, I'm glad you 67 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 1: went all the way through law school. A lot. I 68 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 1: like that brief and to the point, a lot, and 69 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 1: you darn right, a lot is wrong with that picture. 70 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: Let's just with starters. What's your number one problem? Without? 71 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: Ashley woke up that it is a lack of supervision 72 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:12,239 Speaker 1: and then that equals criminal neglect period as a minimum. Well, 73 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: I naturally, Joe Scott Morgan, excuse me, Joseph Scott Morgan, 74 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: Joe Scott, I hear what Ashley's saying, and I know 75 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: she's correct, but I already have leapt to the next conclusion. 76 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:29,559 Speaker 1: I'm like, whoa terminal neglect? I'm worried the baby's dead. 77 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: When I hear nobody has seen the baby for two months, 78 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 1: I mean the baby's not in daycare. The baby hasn't 79 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 1: been seen by whoever keeps the baby during the day. 80 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: If mommy's working, where's the daddy in this scenario? What 81 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 1: about neighbors? What about relatives? Anybody? Do they go to church? 82 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: Do they drive through McDonald's every morning for coffee? I mean, 83 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 1: nobody's seen the baby. That can only that's only something bad. 84 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 1: There's only one outcome to that something bad. Joe Scott, Yeah, 85 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: it is Nancy and one of the things that for me, 86 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: of course, I'm a cynic. Based upon everything I've seen 87 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: relative to death investigation of my career, I'm thinking that 88 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: great harm has come to this child, at minimum after 89 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: this period of time. A child this age is not 90 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 1: capable of taking care of themselves. Let's just assume that 91 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: the child is out in a wooded area by themselves. 92 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: They can't survive in that environment. And it would leave 93 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: me to ask questions, why is the family not more 94 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 1: intensely involved. I gotta tell you, if this was my 95 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: tiny child like this, my hair would be on fire. 96 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: I'd be looking everywhere. I'd be shouting it from the rooftops, 97 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 1: trying to find out where she is. Because she's like 98 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 1: a delicate little flower out there that has no protection whatsoever. 99 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: I want to know where she is. I think the 100 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: only person joining us today that has not heard my 101 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: story about John David being lost is Kristin Kwan. Kristen 102 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: w CYB. Have you heard the story about my son 103 00:06:55,600 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: getting lost? I have not. Oh, okay, great, Jackie Brett Ely, 104 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: we have a new audience. Listen to this. Christ and Christen. 105 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: Do you have children? I do. I have a four 106 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: month old. Okay, Well, good for you. They can't get 107 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: lost in babies or us. Okay. So I was at 108 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: the pool, the community pool, and this mother came up 109 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: to me, and I'm pretty sure she had on a 110 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: skimpy lily pull utzer outfit that all the flowers, and 111 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: there I am in my black tights, in my tshirt 112 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: and tennis sho's jumping in in my clothes and she goes, oh, yeah, 113 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: that suntan lotion is going to give your children cancer. 114 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: I make my own homemade organic suntan lotion. I'm like 115 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: the children much always just shrieked white with all the 116 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: stuff I'd put on them. So okay, I look into 117 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: trying to make it. I don't have time to make 118 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: suntan lotion, and so I go to Babies or Us. 119 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: It's a giant superstore and they have shells floor to ceiling, 120 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: and naturally I have to get down on the floor 121 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: and I'm looking trying to find organic sun screen, and 122 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: I'm saying, well, guys, I da da da blah blah 123 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: blah blah, this is only SPF fifteen. I finally stand 124 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: up and turn around and say, Lucy, I didn't find it. 125 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: That's the problem, Kristen. I've got twins, John David and Lucy. 126 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: John David wasn't there. I looked both ways, and as 127 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: I had practiced so many times, I grabbed Lucy first 128 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: by the hand, and then I just picked her up 129 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: like a football and started running and I didn't see 130 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 1: John David anywhere. At this point, they were about a 131 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:37,599 Speaker 1: little shy of two years old, and I started screaming 132 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: to lock down the place my son was missing. My 133 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: baby was gone. Screaming at the top of my lungs. 134 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: Everybody started looking for John David. I ran all the 135 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: way to the front where the glass doors and windows are, 136 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:57,439 Speaker 1: and I turned around and there he was. They had 137 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:01,559 Speaker 1: on those little Rubert clogs, so he was sneaking around 138 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: playing hide and go seek. He had just been on 139 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: one aisle behind me, and when I went past that aisle, 140 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: he went the other way. So as I was looking 141 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: down both aisleways running, he was somewhere giggling. Okay, So 142 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: I'll never forget that moment when I grabbed him and 143 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 1: hugged him, because all I could think about was Adam Walsh. 144 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: As you know, John Walsh's son, his wife rev was 145 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: shopping at Sears for a lamp. He was one aisle away. 146 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 1: He was abducted and never seen alive again. So this 147 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: feeling that Joseph Scott Morgan is describing would be what 148 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: any parent feels. And I agree with Ashley and Joe Scott. 149 00:09:44,920 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: How could this moment pass and mommy not be insane? 150 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace. I want you to hear 151 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:13,199 Speaker 1: our friend W. J. H Ow reporter Kelly Grossfeld at 152 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: News Channel eleven. We're talking about baby Evelyn missing sheriff 153 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: Jeff Cassidy says this case is unlike anything he's ever seen. 154 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: Toddler Evelyn Boswell, missing more than two months, just reported 155 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:28,559 Speaker 1: missing this week. New information released Friday says a babysitter 156 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: last saw Evelyn on December tenth. While the mother, Megan Boswell, 157 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: is working with investigators, Sheriff Cassidy says her story just 158 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: doesn't add up. You know she is operating, but like 159 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: to say, some of the information she's given us head 160 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: and been really accurate. Megan Boswell was seen leaving juvenile 161 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 1: court Friday morning. News Channel eleven reached out for interview, 162 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 1: but she declined. The reason she was there has not 163 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: been released. As far as her assistance in the case, 164 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,199 Speaker 1: the sheriff says it hasn't led to anything solid. Her 165 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: stories aren't leading up to stuff that we went out 166 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: and checked on video surveilance, I witness testimony, so a 167 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: lot of her information hadn't been accurate. Regardless of sheriff 168 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: is determined to bring Evelyn home. He is offering up 169 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: to one thousand dollars of his own money as a 170 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,199 Speaker 1: reward for her safe return. I'm telling you when the 171 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: sheriff that sheriff Jeff Cassidy puts up his own hard 172 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: earned money. I mean, the reality is, Bruce Johnson, you know, 173 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: you're a former master sergeant and regent one in Chicago 174 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: with a massive crime rate, a much like inner city 175 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: Atlanta where I prosecuted. Public servants don't make much at all. 176 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: Today I'm wearing my East Point Police T shirt. And 177 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: I remember at the time they were making about twenty 178 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 1: thirty grand a year to get out and put your 179 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: life on the line. And here you've got a sheriff 180 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: putting up a thousand dollars of his own money out 181 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: of his checking account to bring this baby home. What 182 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: about that, Bruce Johnson, Well, he should be commended. I mean, 183 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: that's an honorable thing for him to step up and do. 184 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: And you know, in these smaller towns like you're talking about, 185 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: there's a lot of emotion. People know each other. When 186 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 1: a crime like this occurs, it affects the whole community. 187 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: So especially with a little child like we're talking about, 188 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 1: this is really very unusual all the facts that are 189 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: coming out so far. But I want to commend the 190 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 1: sheriff because we all want all the answers and all 191 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: the questions that he's asking her and we don't have 192 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: them yet, and that's good. That's good for the investigation 193 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: that they're working these leads. They're following the lies, they're 194 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 1: following the unusual. You just hit the nail on the head, 195 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: Bruce Johnson. Bruce is with the owner of i SP Investigations. 196 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: Here's the problem, Kristin Kwan joining me wcyb Out of Bristol, 197 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: Bruce at the nail on the head. They're following all 198 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: the lies, not all the leads. That slows down an 199 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: investigation when you have to ferret out the lies to 200 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: try to get to the truth. I mean, I always 201 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: she used Mark class as the goal standard because or 202 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: the Smart family Elisbeth Smart's parents. There, take my DNA, 203 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: take my fingerprints, and check my alibi. I'll get here's 204 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 1: my phone, take my laptop, whatever you need so you 205 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: can get past me and look from my child. But here, 206 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: Christian Kwan, they're having to source through all the lies. Mommy, 207 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: of all people is telling. So what was her first story? 208 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,199 Speaker 1: Kristen Kuan w c yb as to where is baby Elvin? 209 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 1: What's Mommy's first story? At this point in the investigation, 210 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: they had she There was conflicting dates as well of 211 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 1: when she was last seen. The grandfather said Christmas, but 212 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: then the sheriff was saying he felt like December ten 213 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: or eleventh was a more accurate date. So I think 214 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: the first thing was when was she gone. Yeah, that's 215 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: a good point, Kristen, because I thought that it was 216 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 1: said she was seen around Thanksgiving, which would have made 217 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,199 Speaker 1: it even worse. But you're right, you can't start a 218 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: timeline without day one. Ground zero is the last time 219 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: the child has seen Mommy. Can't even tell me that 220 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: with a straight face. Take a listen to our friend 221 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: Maria Roberts WC yb Need's five Well. The reason I 222 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: didn't report it or anything is because I knew the 223 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: person who had her, and I didn't want them to 224 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: run away with her. As soon as they thought I 225 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: think was going on, they just kind of vanished. So 226 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: I'm just worried about, you know, like where they're at, 227 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: what they're doing with her at this point in time. 228 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: Boswell wouldn't reveal who to her daughter, but says they 229 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: were watching Evelyn while she was at work. They should 230 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: just sprang her back. They always know, like what's going on, 231 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: and like you know they need to bring her back home. 232 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: When did you realize that they had completely disappeared? So 233 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: in a way, I knew that as soon as they 234 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: think went down, you know, the person was going to 235 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: just disappear. And they have and they've tried to find them. 236 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: They won't answer their phone calls. They've just kind of disappeared. 237 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: Boswell admitt she do things differently if given a second chance. Yeah, 238 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: I'm probably called the first day. I should have. Mothers 239 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: didn't want them to run with her like they had. 240 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: Now give a second chance over my cold dead body, mommy, 241 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: And this hand is going to be clutching your neck 242 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: over my cold dead body. Are you gonna get another 243 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: chance with any child? So you hear mommy saying, and 244 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall, she giggled, Jackie, did she giggle? I 245 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: heard her child is missing and she's saying, oh, oh yeah, 246 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: I should have called the first day. The first day. 247 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it's an unspoken rule when my children go 248 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: for a play day, the mom's immediately send me a photo. 249 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: Now we gloss it over like, oh thanks, such a 250 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: cute photo. But they know I want to see my 251 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: child that it's so gay that they're fine, that they're 252 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: they're at the movie, or they're there wherever they're supposed 253 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: to be. I trust the moms. It's me, it's me. 254 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: I want to know because I can't stand not knowing, 255 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: because the people just like this mommy. So why is 256 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: she giggling, Doctor Bethany Nancy. I heard such nonchalance from 257 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: her voice, as Bethany, Bethany, the hair on my arm 258 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: is completely I'm covered in shell bumps. How could she 259 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: say I would have called the first day. That tells 260 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: me at the very gate, because she hadn't even called. 261 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: The child had been gone a day, a day overnight 262 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: the first day she didn't call, Nancy. When you do 263 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: a forensic interview of a parent whose child has gone missing, 264 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: one of the things you look for and listen for 265 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: is does the parent have empathy for the missing child? 266 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: Are they worried? Are they scared? And you listen for 267 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: details the parent. You want the parent to talk about, 268 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: what was the child wearing, what was the child's last knell, 269 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: what was the pictures taken that day? And what I 270 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: hear in this woman's voice is that she doesn't care. 271 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: There's a giggles, she doesn't care. And you know when 272 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 1: you have a baby in a family and you talked 273 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 1: about pictures, everybody passes photos along, They FaceTime, they skype, 274 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: they send pictures, there's pictures on Facebook. M This child 275 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 1: is the center of gravity for the family, right, Wasn't 276 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 1: that it that way with twins that everybody couldn't wait 277 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: to hear all details about a swim class or you know, 278 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: did they take their first steps? Or you know what 279 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 1: they eat that day? There's no details here. All you 280 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: hear is I should have called the authorities. If I 281 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: had a second chance, that I would do it. The 282 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,919 Speaker 1: lack of empathy and the lack of details are alarming. Well, 283 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:51,679 Speaker 1: you know, let me just say it sounds like a 284 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: lie to me. And I know that may sound judgment, 285 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 1: but you know, Christine Kwan, I've probably put over a 286 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 1: teen years of being on trial almost every other week. 287 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:07,360 Speaker 1: I don't know how many thousands of witness I've interviewed, 288 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: put on a stand, cross examined, analyzed, kicked out of court, 289 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: you name it. This is not the appropriate demeanor, and 290 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: defense attorneys will argue with me till they're blue in 291 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: the face that mommy doesn't need to be crying there's 292 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: no playbook for grief. B S. Okay, that's off the 293 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: chart on the bsameter, because this mom doesn't even sound concerned. 294 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:34,120 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, you're hearing mommy speaking. Take 295 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 1: a listen to our friend Ansley Daniel at WJHL News 296 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 1: Channel eleven. Listen, let's get into the last time you 297 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 1: saw her. Tell me what that time was like and 298 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: when that was well, actually I want to talk about that. 299 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: I've told TBI where to find her in Mendota. My 300 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: mom took her to a campground and a silver camper, 301 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: And if they don't go tonight, I'm going to find 302 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: her myself because I've told them and they're not really 303 00:18:57,800 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: like taking it seriously. And if they don't go tonight, 304 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: like I will go myself and go get her. Tell 305 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: me about the last time though that you saw everyone. 306 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: Tell me what you guys did and win that one 307 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:07,679 Speaker 1: We went to go out to eat and then my 308 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: mom hadn't got her. She was wearing a little hot 309 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: pink track suit with a matching bow, little matching shoes 310 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 1: and were just remember twenty like right after Christmas, a 311 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: little bit before Christmas. My mom, like you can ask her, 312 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 1: is a very vindictive, manipulating person, and she basically like 313 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 1: threatened me the whole time, but she was gone. Do 314 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: you know who has everyone right now? She dropped her 315 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,719 Speaker 1: off somewhere evendowed out of silver cancer. But my mom 316 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: would always say the person not like people plural. Hi guys, 317 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace here, we have all worked so hard to 318 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 1: bring to you Don't Be a Victim, fighting back against 319 00:19:55,520 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 1: America's crime Wave, a brand new book. After interviewing literally 320 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: hundreds of crime victims and police, we put our knowledge 321 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: into Don't Be a Victim. You could pre order now 322 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 1: go to Crime online dot Com. Pre order now and 323 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 1: know that portions of our proceeds goes to the National 324 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: Center for Missing and Exploited Children. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 325 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: Welcome back, everybody. I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. 326 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,159 Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us here at Fox Nation and 327 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: Serious X one eleven Triumph Channel. Evelyn Boswell, a beautiful 328 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: little fifteen month old girl goes missing, and now we're 329 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: hearing after mommy played coy with the cameras, refusing to 330 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: state who had her baby. She finally breaks down and 331 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: says it was her mother. Then her mother took her camping. 332 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: That's let me go to Kristin Kwan, our special guests 333 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: joining us today from wc y B Bristol, Kristen. For 334 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 1: so long she wouldn't say who had the baby. Then 335 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: suddenly she says her mom took the baby camping. This 336 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: is bringing up all sorts of bad memories from me. 337 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: Right now, I'm thinking about Josh Powell and Susan Cox 338 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: Powell where he claimed he took his boys camping at 339 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: midnight and the mom Susan was never seen alive again. 340 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: Then he killed the boys later on the camping scenario. 341 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: So now Grandmammy's gone with a baby camping. That's what 342 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: mommy said next. Right, So she had told us at 343 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 1: first and when we spoke with her first, that she 344 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: couldn't tell us who exactly took the child because it 345 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: was part of the investigation. And then of course later 346 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 1: she says that she gave her to her mother and 347 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 1: that they were at a campground in Mendota, Virginia, which 348 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:57,199 Speaker 1: isn't really far. It's about forty five minutes from the 349 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 1: sheriff's office in Bluntble, And of course police swarmed that 350 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: camp ground and looked all over and didn't find anything. Okay, 351 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,360 Speaker 1: I'm so glad you said that. Kristin kwan WCYB. Did 352 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: you say this campgrown ground? How are you saying it? 353 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: What is it? It's Mendota, It's it's the community of Mendota. 354 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 1: It's actually in Virginia, but we're on the border there 355 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 1: on Tennessee in Virginia. I'm very interested in all campgrounds 356 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 1: because we're big campers, we're big r vs. The works. 357 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 1: So what really struck me? Another thing? To Ashley Willcott, judge, 358 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: trial lawyer, anchor Court TV. Ashley, did you hear mommy say, 359 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 1: and if they don't go look for her, I will, 360 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: I will go out there. Why haven't you already been 361 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: out there? What are you threatening me? You're going to 362 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 1: go try to find your child? Did you hear that? 363 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: I will go myself. You should have had your rear 364 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 1: end You're sorry, wear end out there looking for the 365 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: child already. Did you hear that? Yeah? I completely agree 366 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,239 Speaker 1: with you. This case flies all over me for so 367 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,120 Speaker 1: many different reasons. But first of all, clearly she's never 368 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,640 Speaker 1: had any parenttal papacity, or else. She would have known 369 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: exactly where her daughter was every minute of every day, 370 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: like you said. The second thing is not only did 371 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 1: she say, well, then I'll go look if you're not 372 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: going to, she also starts focusing on You have to understand, 373 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: my mom is a very manipulative person. She's taking no 374 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: responsibility or interest in her own child. She's blaming everybody else. 375 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: Good point, doctor, Bethany Marshall, Psycho Allen's joining me out 376 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 1: of Beverly Hills. Did you hear what Ashley Wilcott just said. 377 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,880 Speaker 1: The mom is saying, I don't think they're taking me seriously, 378 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: and if they won't go out there and look for 379 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: my child, I will. The first thing she should have 380 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,919 Speaker 1: done as she was calling nine one one, which she 381 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: didn't do. She should have been running to her car 382 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: to get to that campground. And now she's played a 383 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: game with me. We don't play when there's a missing child. Bethany. 384 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 1: This is what perpetrators do. They blame everybody else, and 385 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: they're entitled. So she's acting as if a law enforcement 386 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: rest two teams people are searching for her child owe 387 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: her something that they owe her to find this child. 388 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: She as a mother is not responsible for her own child. 389 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 1: She as a mother does not have to be concerned. 390 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: She does not have to care. You know, she has 391 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,679 Speaker 1: no insight into how she's coming across to everybody, and 392 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: they love their children. They're attached. They say, oh, let 393 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 1: me see this, let me show you this picture, or oh, 394 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: my baby took her first steps yesterday, or oh you 395 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: know why, I just love holding my baby. You know, 396 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 1: there's all these references to the baby. There's no references 397 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 1: to baby Evelyn. There's only references to law enforcement and 398 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: the searchers and rescue teams as if they owe her something, 399 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: and that is a huge red flag. Again, I want 400 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: to focus on something that she said, Joseph Scott Morgan. 401 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,959 Speaker 1: Did you hear her threatening to go look for her 402 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 1: child herself. Did you hear that? Yes? I did, Nancy, 403 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,719 Speaker 1: I'll certainly did. And I'm amazed you wouldn't be able 404 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: to find me if this was my child, because I'd 405 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: i'd I'd be running through heaven and hell to try 406 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: to find this child. I'd be in total and complete 407 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: physical exhaustion because I was looking for every stone to 408 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 1: overturn to find this baby of mine. I didn't hear 409 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 1: this here. Well, what really got off with me is 410 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: that she's basically toying with the reporters, and I want 411 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 1: to go back to Kristin Kwan joining me from wcy B, Bristol, 412 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: when she says, if they don't go look for her, 413 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 1: I will. It's her duty, her duty to go look 414 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: for her child. When you were around her or spoke 415 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: to her or observed her, Kristin Kwan, what is mommy's 416 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: demeanor to me? She just was kind of nonchalant about 417 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,880 Speaker 1: the whole thing. I mean, we interviewed some people at 418 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: like a local business because the baby had gone missing, 419 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 1: and they had more emotion for this lost child than 420 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,919 Speaker 1: she did. Can you describe that for me, Kristen, because 421 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: guys with me, Kristin Kuan is intimately familiar with this case. 422 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 1: She's there on the scene. Tell me what you mean 423 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: by that, because I'm imagining all sorts of you know, 424 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: you're talking to the local first or salesman or the 425 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 1: seven to eleven guy or whoever. Tell me when you 426 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: say the moms scene seemed nonchalant, Give me details. What 427 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: do you mean by that? Don't leave it up to 428 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: my imagination, Wenny. When you listen to her interview, you 429 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: can hear she isn't really crying. She doesn't just seem upset. 430 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 1: It was almost like she was loving the TV attentions 431 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: that she was getting versus these business You know, if 432 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: we would go to these business owners who were donating 433 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: all their profits to helping find Evelyn, and they're in tears, 434 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 1: just so upset about the fact that this little baby 435 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: has gone missing, and we didn't really see that a 436 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: lot from Maggie, from the mother Megan. You know, after 437 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,919 Speaker 1: my fiance was killed and I became a prosecutor, I 438 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 1: thought I'd never have children or Mary, and I had 439 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: always dreamed of I haven't a little girl. I actually 440 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: dreamed I would have a little girl. And when I 441 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: had Lucy, and of course, my joy, John David, I 442 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 1: call him my joy in her my delight. I couldn't believe, 443 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: you know how blessed I was. And I'm looking at 444 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 1: this picture and I have all sorts of little t 445 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: shirts like that for the twins, and I'm looking at 446 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: her now and it's very difficult for me to play 447 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: for you. From our friends at WJHL News Channel eleven, 448 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: Ashley Sharp listen, the Sullivan County Judge increased Meghan Boswell's 449 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: bond from twenty five thousand dollars to one hundred and 450 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 1: fifty eight thousand dollars. Now, this follows last week's discoveries 451 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: of human remains believed to be those of the missing 452 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: child Evelyn, on family property. A DBI special agent testifying 453 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 1: in court today clarifying that investigators sound the body of 454 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,120 Speaker 1: a child matching Evelyn's age description and last known outfit 455 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 1: at the property on Muddy Creek Road in blunt Field. 456 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: He believed the last known sighting of Avelyn to be 457 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: December twenty sixth. The agent also testified multiple items were 458 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,439 Speaker 1: found at the scene belonging to a child. There was 459 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: various various child clothing, toys, the job. The body of 460 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:36,680 Speaker 1: baby Evelyn was found surrounded by toys. What we are 461 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: learning is that the baby's body was found at an 462 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: outbuilding on property I believe was owned by relatives of mommy. 463 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 1: At first, the identification of baby. The baby was made 464 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 1: by its clothing because it matched the clothing of a 465 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: description given by the mother. I'm assuming that would have 466 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: been the hot Pink track outfit. Take a listen now 467 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: to wcybani's reporter Olivia Bailey, new information related to this 468 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: case against Megan Boswell and the disappearance and possible finding 469 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 1: of Evelyn Boswell's body. Now, we didn't know on Friday 470 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: that the authorities where there is part of a serf. 471 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: Not a whole lot of information clear about what led 472 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: to that surf, but we do know that some new 473 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: information came into authorities that led them there on Friday night. 474 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: But we are learning new information out of these court 475 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 1: documents that came out of Meghan Boswell's bond hearing yesterday. 476 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: And in these documents, they they tell a story that 477 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: the child's body was located by law enforcement in an 478 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: outbuilding on that property that it defines one hundred block 479 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 1: of muddy free growth. They also say those clothing description 480 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: match that of what Meghan Boswell gave authorities. We're also 481 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 1: learning a little bit more about why that bond increase. 482 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: They're saying that he is a flight risk and even 483 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 1: in the documents of State r she would pose a 484 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 1: substantial risk of harm to the community should she be 485 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 1: Relief Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Kristin Quine. I'll be 486 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: right back with you, but I want to go to 487 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, Joe Scott, I've seen a lot of 488 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: dead bodies a lot of autopsies, a lot of crime scenes. 489 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: There's I can't put the right name to it, the 490 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 1: right words to it, when you have a child murder victim. 491 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 1: But I think about the first time I ever bathed 492 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 1: the twins. We were in the hospital because they were 493 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: in Nikki for a really long time. And the first 494 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 1: bath was in the nick you metal sink and it 495 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: was shallow, it was an oval, and I laid down 496 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: fresh towels and held their heads so their head didn't 497 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: touch the sink and just trickled water, warm water over 498 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: them and it would go down and make the towels 499 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 1: warm under them, because I didn't want them to be 500 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: shocked by the water. Well, they loved it, of course, 501 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: but I was just thinking about how I was so 502 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 1: worried about hurting their little arms and legs and with 503 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: the soap dry their skin out. And this baby has 504 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: been found out in an out house, as they're calling it, 505 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 1: on abandoned property, in the cold, with all her toys 506 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 1: and her diapers, clothes just strown around her, just thrown 507 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 1: in there. It's just almost too much to take in 508 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 1: Joe Scott, that is Nancy. It's almost you know, you 509 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: look at it, and you know, I echo your thoughts 510 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,719 Speaker 1: here because you look at it and you know, as 511 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: an investigator, you try to be very clinical as best 512 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 1: it can when you're a scene and when you're in 513 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,959 Speaker 1: the autopsy room, but there's still a thing that creature 514 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: hard when you see all all that surrounds surrounds a victim, 515 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: and it's almost like with this little baby, and because 516 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: she is a baby, has been discarded like a piece 517 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 1: of garbage, just like the diapers, just like the clothing, 518 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: just like the toys, and has been left all alone 519 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 1: in this environment. But we can learn fortunately a lot 520 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: about the nature of the person that did this because 521 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: it goes to this idea of callousness that you could 522 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: take this fragile little creature and that you could do this. 523 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 1: It points in a specific investigative direction and for the 524 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: police officers that are at that scene, the investigators that 525 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 1: are having to deal with this, they have to be 526 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: able to separate their emotions from it and take down 527 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: the facts because the reality is is that you want 528 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: to bring a person to justice that did this. You know, 529 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 1: to Christine Kwan WCYB Bristol, tell me about the discovery 530 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: baby ellen Bosl's body. Yeah, it happened late one evening. 531 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 1: We had kind of heard a tip basically that police 532 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: were at that house and on that property. Whose property 533 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 1: is it isn't the grandfather's it is, it's the grandfather's property. 534 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: And I believe that that's also where she claims that 535 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:36,479 Speaker 1: she resides, so as far as her court documents go, 536 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 1: that's where she says she lives. That's significant, Kristin Kwan, 537 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: because I mean, what unknown part some mysterious child abductor 538 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 1: and her raincoade and covering his face would take the 539 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: child and then go circle back to the home and 540 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 1: hide the body on the home. I mean, it limits 541 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: who your pool of who you think is the killer? 542 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: That the body is right there on the family property. 543 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,479 Speaker 1: And coincidentally, this grandfather is the one that called I think, 544 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: isn't the grandfather that first reported her missing? Yes, that's correct, Okay, 545 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: I got off track. You go back to discovery of 546 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: the body. Yeah, So that night, you know, we received 547 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,359 Speaker 1: a tip and we went out there and you could 548 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 1: see police of course all over, and they actually held 549 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 1: a press conference at night to say that they believed 550 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 1: that they found human rule remains that they believe belonged 551 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 1: to Evelyn and then they also the amber alert was 552 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,760 Speaker 1: taken down on that day. I can only imagine the scene. 553 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,319 Speaker 1: What they're saying, she was found in an outhouse. What 554 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: kind of a structure was it, Kristen? So to me, 555 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: it looks kind of like a typical shed that you 556 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 1: would buy to put in your backyard to store lawnmowers 557 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,760 Speaker 1: and things of that nature. Wooden looking or a metal pod? 558 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,880 Speaker 1: What was it? Yeah, it's probably it's probably metal. And 559 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:00,880 Speaker 1: then it has a door, kind like a garage that 560 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,919 Speaker 1: you would list up. Is it made to look like wood? Yes, 561 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 1: it's painted, so it's kind of really hard to tell, gotcha. 562 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: I've seen those. I've seen those. They look like a 563 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 1: little gosh and almost it's like a child's toy farmhouse, 564 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: like a playhouse kind of. It's painted, but I suspect 565 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: that it is metal to withstand the elements, you know. 566 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 1: It says a lot to doctor Bethany Marshall, psycho Allen's 567 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 1: joining me out of Beverly Hill said, the scene is 568 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 1: staged when you have a and I mean by that 569 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 1: the toys, the diapers are clothing thrown all around the 570 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:38,840 Speaker 1: baby or laid around her. Positioned around her. It was staged. 571 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,359 Speaker 1: A random killer would not do that. They do the deed, 572 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 1: they leave, they want to get away from the scene. 573 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 1: Someone that is intimately familiar with the victim will cover 574 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:53,280 Speaker 1: the face, hide the body, secret it away, or stage 575 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 1: it with flowers or toys around it. A random killer 576 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 1: doesn't take time to do that, Doctor Bethany, what does 577 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 1: it say to you, see, Nancy, I see it differently. 578 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,239 Speaker 1: I don't see it as being staged. I see it 579 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 1: as the perpetrator threw away the clothes, the diapers, the 580 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 1: toys along with the baby. You and I covered a 581 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: story many years ago, and I don't remember the name 582 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 1: of the mother, but the child went missing. The investigators 583 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: went to the home and all the baby toys and 584 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 1: pictures were already in the trash can outside. And then 585 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 1: I remember it very well. It was out of Florida, right, 586 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,839 Speaker 1: So whoever discarded baby Evelyn discarded all of her belongings 587 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: as well. I hope to see it as being staged. 588 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,799 Speaker 1: I see it as a dumping ground for everything that 589 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 1: reminded the perpetrator about this baby. When this baby came 590 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 1: into the world, she was unwanted, unlike your two babies 591 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 1: who were wanted, beloved taken care of. This baby was 592 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 1: unwanted from the beginning. I think that the perpetrator was 593 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 1: already fantasizing about getting rid of her and her belongings 594 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,759 Speaker 1: and had already prepared a dumping ground. And interestingly enough, 595 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,400 Speaker 1: the dumping ground, the disposal site for the baby and 596 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,400 Speaker 1: the baby's belongings, was on the very property of the 597 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 1: person who reported her missing, the grandfather. What does that 598 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,759 Speaker 1: say about the relationship between the perpetrator and the grandfather. 599 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:17,680 Speaker 1: You know here you can have her. I'm going to 600 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 1: dump her on your property. You can have all of 601 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 1: her toys and goods too. This is what I know. Mommy, 602 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:30,920 Speaker 1: Evelyn's mother is sitting behind bars right now for the 603 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:36,640 Speaker 1: death of her child. But that is cold comfort for 604 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,400 Speaker 1: the people that love baby Evelyn. We wait as justice 605 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 1: and falls. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off Goodbye friend.