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Speaker 1: fifteen NFL Draft with David Hellman, Nick Eatman, Rob Phillips,
Speaker 1: Bill Jones, Cowboys Coaches, Draft Fix and special guests. Now
Speaker 1: your hosts, Dane Brugler and Brian brought us and welcome
Speaker 1: to Draft Day two thousand and fifteen. Along with Brian
Speaker 1: brought us Dane Brugler and David Hellman, I am Bill
Speaker 1: Jones and finally, at long last, it is here. It
Speaker 1: is draft time, not only at Valley Ranch, but also
Speaker 1: in Chicago in all parts in between. What do you
Speaker 1: think you're ready? I'll tell you what I've you know,
Speaker 1: we've been and first off, welcome to our little party
Speaker 1: that we've had and I've been joined less well, thank you,
Speaker 1: and it's it's a pleasure to have you here. And
Speaker 1: it also though excited because we've started this journey. It
Speaker 1: feels like forever ago. We go back to the catch
Speaker 1: no catch, and then two three days after that you
Speaker 1: start looking at players getting ready for the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: We start doing shows there the combine. So we've carried this,
Speaker 1: We've carried the ball to the goal line here. Now
Speaker 1: it's about time to knock this one home and get
Speaker 1: it going. You know what just dawned on me too,
Speaker 1: Like literally as we were leading into the show, like
Speaker 1: I'm pumped out of my mind, I'm excited. We've been
Speaker 1: talking about this since January. We've been studying these players,
Speaker 1: talking about it, beating it into the ground, and it
Speaker 1: just dawned on me. These guys have been doing the
Speaker 1: same thing, but with much much higher stakes, Like nobody
Speaker 1: cares if I get to pick wrong. You know, I
Speaker 1: can't even imagine what it feels like. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be bummed buck playing about it already when we
Speaker 1: started to My job's not on the line if I
Speaker 1: don't hit Oh yeah, And you know I've been in
Speaker 1: that chair. I can't even imagine how it feels to
Speaker 1: be in Will McClay right now, out this guy over here.
Speaker 1: Dane Brugler, CBS Sports course of the Draft show as well.
Speaker 1: How many hours would you say into giving your you
Speaker 1: devote to your draft cover. There's no way to quantify it,
Speaker 1: but that's what it takes. That's what scouting is. I mean,
Speaker 1: how many how many years were you in the league?
Speaker 1: Giving it's just yeah, thirteen is a marathon. Could doing
Speaker 1: these drafts since ninety two and it's changed so much.
Speaker 1: Very first draft was twelve rounds and I couldn't imagine
Speaker 1: as exhausted as I get now, you know, having to
Speaker 1: go through that. But I was. I was a young
Speaker 1: man like these guys, you know, doing this stuff, so
Speaker 1: I had much better. Jane, how long have you been
Speaker 1: at it? Uh? Started in uh in college. I did
Speaker 1: my first my first draft book, that was about two
Speaker 1: thousand and five or so. So but I'm a decade
Speaker 1: of this. I've been with CBS last four years, five
Speaker 1: years now. So it's uh, it's it's it's fun, it
Speaker 1: really is. And so it's, uh, let's get this thing started.
Speaker 1: I think when you said finally, I mean that that's it.
Speaker 1: That's the buzzword. Finally. Yep, and we're gonna be here
Speaker 1: throughout the draft. This is the first time the Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com has had the exclusive Inside Valley Ranch
Speaker 1: Picked by Pick coverage of the draft. I know, Brian,
Speaker 1: you're very excited about Yeah, you know, Bill, I I
Speaker 1: feel like I beat Derek Eagleton up a little bit
Speaker 1: about this, but you know, and and and again this
Speaker 1: goes back to the platform we have, you know, with
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot Com and all that gums entails what
Speaker 1: we do and to come in and to be able
Speaker 1: to work on the draft the way we have and
Speaker 1: every week, but to finally get it and go from
Speaker 1: the first pick to the last pick. And I don't
Speaker 1: I challenge anybody to have any coverage that's any better
Speaker 1: from what we've been being with the players at the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, the Combine. You know, Dane looking at players,
Speaker 1: myself looking at players, it's just Dave Well, it's all
Speaker 1: this acts and you know yourself. I mean, this man
Speaker 1: right here just wears me out when it comes to
Speaker 1: draft talk. And that's what I've got. I got my
Speaker 1: big great NFL drafts and I go back. Bill was
Speaker 1: one of the first ones ever to put me on
Speaker 1: TV to talk about the draft, so I always have
Speaker 1: a soft spot for him there. But yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: if you get people together that are passionate about the draft,
Speaker 1: and we have a lot of people out there that
Speaker 1: are very passionate about the draft and watching us right now.
Speaker 1: So this is a fun time for them as well.
Speaker 1: And behind the scenes of course, here we've got Ken Garrison,
Speaker 1: Lauren so called Douglas Barrick Lowe as they will keep
Speaker 1: us in tune with actually not only what's going on
Speaker 1: in the draft, but also what's going on in the
Speaker 1: draft room. And here, when we have access to it,
Speaker 1: you will be able to look inside the draft room. Jerry, Steve, Jason, Gary.
Speaker 1: They've got it covered up right now, so we can't
Speaker 1: show it to you yet, but basically, as soon as
Speaker 1: we can, you're gonna be watching that and not watching
Speaker 1: our ugly mugs, right, but a lot of yeah, a
Speaker 1: lot of voiceover, right, a lot of voiceover stuff, but
Speaker 1: you'll see what's going on in the draft room. It's
Speaker 1: this is a time though, and from my own personal
Speaker 1: experience of being with Jerry Jones Stephen Jones for six
Speaker 1: years in that war room, a lot of crazy things happen,
Speaker 1: but this is actually all the work that the scouts.
Speaker 1: It comes to the very end here now and actually
Speaker 1: this is the calmest time. You know, you battle, and
Speaker 1: we've had some good battles. We did a mock draft yesterday,
Speaker 1: but this is really the calmest time for the scouts
Speaker 1: because you know the board is set and there's there's
Speaker 1: no surprises. Now it's the You know, if you Steven
Speaker 1: Jones and and Jerry Jones and Will McClay, they've given
Speaker 1: everybody their chance to say their peace. You know, if
Speaker 1: you don't like where a player is on that board,
Speaker 1: you know today is not the day to talk about it. Yesterday,
Speaker 1: two days ago, that was the day to talk about it.
Speaker 1: And the scouts take a lot of pride in that
Speaker 1: board that that's your baby right there. And when when
Speaker 1: those when those tags start coming off the board, you
Speaker 1: get very excited about it. But too where they're picking
Speaker 1: at twenty seven, it's very nerve racking. It's it's you know,
Speaker 1: I've been a part of some drafts where it's been
Speaker 1: down at the bottom and Stephen Jones said this, he
Speaker 1: can't tell you who's gonna be there. We can't. We
Speaker 1: we we could give you some ideas, but if you're
Speaker 1: picking it five or six, you at least have an
Speaker 1: idea who you might get. Even last year at sixteen,
Speaker 1: you had a little bit of an idea was there.
Speaker 1: You had four or five guys you had your eye
Speaker 1: on you felt pretty good one would be there for
Speaker 1: you right this year, who knows? Twenty seven it's and
Speaker 1: I feel like people, you know, fans are maybe less
Speaker 1: willing to get excited about the twenty seventh pick. It's
Speaker 1: not going to be a flashy name at least, you know,
Speaker 1: in the to a general fan at least obviously Draftnicks
Speaker 1: or a different breed entirely. But I think it's more exciting.
Speaker 1: I think the unknown. We have no idea. It could
Speaker 1: be so many different things. It could be a trade up,
Speaker 1: it could be a trade back, it could be one
Speaker 1: of about eight different guys. Maybe somebody slips. I think
Speaker 1: it's way more exciting being back here and having an
Speaker 1: infinite number of possibilities as opposed to being a top
Speaker 1: five pick and you kind of know what's going to happen. Well,
Speaker 1: the fact of the matter two that you have a
Speaker 1: couple of potentially top ten picks did have had some
Speaker 1: off the field issues, maybe some medical issues you know,
Speaker 1: you don't know. And when you're initially you talk about
Speaker 1: a guy like Randy Gregory, and I know we'll get
Speaker 1: into all these guys. But when you're sitting there and
Speaker 1: now a sudden you think, wow, we would have never
Speaker 1: you know, if all things are clean, never would have
Speaker 1: had a shot, probably to Randy Gregory right right now,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Oh, it's like, whoa wait a minute,
Speaker 1: now we've got to talk this thing through. I distinctly
Speaker 1: remember in the you know, ball season January when this
Speaker 1: was first going, Williams, Jamis and Gregory were the three.
Speaker 1: I mean, Gregory was the top five guy when this
Speaker 1: all started. So the fact that he's not just a
Speaker 1: possibility but a realistic one is amazing to me. And
Speaker 1: even from a draft standpoint, here's a guy that a
Speaker 1: lot of people had top ten pick. Whatever. That goes
Speaker 1: to show that you have to do your homework on
Speaker 1: every prospect in the draft, every possible first round pick,
Speaker 1: even if they're projected to go top five in the draft,
Speaker 1: because you don't know what's going to happen. And even
Speaker 1: in the twenty four hours prior to the draft, to
Speaker 1: Collins tackle from that's very unfortunate. And if he is
Speaker 1: innocent and you know, not connected at all or you know, somewhat,
Speaker 1: but it's unfortunate for the player. It really is. I think,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think there's a precedent for this,
Speaker 1: and we found out he's been his appeal to go
Speaker 1: into the supplemental draft has been denied. Right, So, now
Speaker 1: you're sitting here in a circumstance where this guy is
Speaker 1: top ten, top twenty at least talent. You take a
Speaker 1: chance on him in the later rounds? Do you let
Speaker 1: him go undrafted and have a priority free agent who's
Speaker 1: got a first round grade? I mean, who knows what's
Speaker 1: going to happen with that? Yeah, I just this is
Speaker 1: one of those things where you you I think you
Speaker 1: have to evaluate the player, and I think you have
Speaker 1: to respect where you put him on that board. Yeah, now,
Speaker 1: but you also have to be conscious. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean there's a side of me that believes that
Speaker 1: he might get out of the first round. But I
Speaker 1: think there's somebody would take a shot in the second
Speaker 1: round thinking to wait a minute, We've done our due
Speaker 1: diligence on this. They know a lot more information than
Speaker 1: then we do about it, and I think this is
Speaker 1: something that I'm not saying this is gonna catch teams
Speaker 1: by surprise, because do you think that they probably knew
Speaker 1: something was what's going I mean, I'm asking the question,
Speaker 1: do you think that they're I mean, this is something
Speaker 1: that teams do such a great job. I didn't tell you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I don't know how talking to Scots about Lyle
Speaker 1: Collins throughout the process, you got he was a little
Speaker 1: lazy earlier in his career. Yeah, but he grew as
Speaker 1: a as a junior and senior. And but off field,
Speaker 1: there weren't many concerns. There weren't there weren't any of
Speaker 1: those red flags that you see with these other prospects.
Speaker 1: So this is really out of left field and something
Speaker 1: that has teams really scrambling the fine details, find out
Speaker 1: more information. And it's it's a tough situation because he's
Speaker 1: not a suspect. It's it's important to point that out right,
Speaker 1: it's a former girlfriend, right, And it's but where where
Speaker 1: where is his value as a player? Where do you
Speaker 1: feel comfortable drafting him? That's something where you ask all
Speaker 1: thirty two teams, you'll get a different answer. I feel
Speaker 1: pretty confident in saying we're not going to hear his
Speaker 1: name tonight. I agree based on something that's happened in
Speaker 1: the last three I mean yeah, I mean we're sitting
Speaker 1: here saying, you know, maybe Monday as recently as Monday,
Speaker 1: that he's a possible. You don't think a team, You
Speaker 1: don't think a team would take a shot at him
Speaker 1: a New England at thirty two in the first thirty
Speaker 1: two picks. You can't. You can't. He could be. He
Speaker 1: could I mean again, I I mean, I don't know
Speaker 1: a lot about the case. He's not a suspect, but
Speaker 1: he could be. He could be. He could be charged
Speaker 1: and in a criminal investigation as read as soon as
Speaker 1: next week. Knowing what we know right now, you can't.
Speaker 1: Now NFL teams might have more information we don't know,
Speaker 1: and if they do, that changes things somewhat. But knowing
Speaker 1: what we know as outsiders, you just can't. You can't
Speaker 1: take that chance. Why do you think the timing though?
Speaker 1: Why why the timing? Now that's a great question. I mean,
Speaker 1: why is this something that was not done weeks ago?
Speaker 1: Let's the authorities don't care about the NFL draft. I
Speaker 1: think it's more unfortunate than you know. Strategic are you?
Speaker 1: Are you suggesting an agenda here? Is that what's going?
Speaker 1: I'm suggesting I'll check up to something, to something. Maybe
Speaker 1: Belicheck rustrated this. I'll tell you what though, you guys.
Speaker 1: You guys totally dismiss it. And I'll stand corrected. I'll
Speaker 1: stand corrected. I just at some point, but at the
Speaker 1: back end of that draft, oh no, no, no, I
Speaker 1: mean this and and I'll tell you one thing. I
Speaker 1: sat with the news, I sat with the New England
Speaker 1: scouts at the at the Senior pol And and and
Speaker 1: let me tell you what, talking about that player, it
Speaker 1: was like, no way, we're not going to see this guy.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter though, it doesn't matter the talent level,
Speaker 1: because you got what's happening right now, and you gotta
Speaker 1: I mean, you know the ten game suspension that Greg
Speaker 1: Hardy just got for your Dallas Cowboys. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: it's a at least a slightly different NFL than it
Speaker 1: might have been a year. How about the Saints. Of course,
Speaker 1: it's LSU player. Saints pick at thirty one in the
Speaker 1: first round. Yeah, you just a guard. Yeah, maybe there's
Speaker 1: nothing to it. They tell a little prosecuting attorney down
Speaker 1: there in New Orleans that hey, just just float this
Speaker 1: out there. If he goes in the first round tonight,
Speaker 1: then the team that takes him and knows something that
Speaker 1: that the general public is not privy too. I think
Speaker 1: that's a fair statement. Just a couple of minutes away
Speaker 1: from the Commissioner striding to the podium in Chicago and
Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers will be on the clock, and
Speaker 1: you've got coverage from a Cowboys perspective right here around
Speaker 1: the clock today, tomorrow, and on Saturday. Bill Jones, Brian
Speaker 1: brought us, Dain Brugler, David Helmett, and we'll have a
Speaker 1: cast of thousands coming in here as well. No doubt
Speaker 1: we do have to take breaks along the way when
Speaker 1: you're talking about that extensive coverage. All right, Randy Gregory,
Speaker 1: we talked about Randy Gregory a little bit. I see
Speaker 1: some in the media who are projecting Gregory to the
Speaker 1: Cowboys at number twenty seven. Do you think is legitimate
Speaker 1: interest on the Cowboys standpoint, They've done their homework obviously
Speaker 1: on the player, right, there's a legitimate possibility they could
Speaker 1: pull the trigger on already. I think so. I I
Speaker 1: you know, to me, Randy Gregory is a first round talent. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now the off the field stuff, that's why I'm talking
Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, And Jason here it hammered this to
Speaker 1: us the other day about there the support systems and
Speaker 1: things in place and how they handle players case by case.
Speaker 1: I don't see Randy Gregory off their board unless something's
Speaker 1: changed in the last forty eight hours and he is,
Speaker 1: you know, he finds his way down to twenty seven.
Speaker 1: I expect Randy Gregory to be picked at twenty seven
Speaker 1: if in fact he is on the five. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think if he's on the board at twenty seven, I
Speaker 1: don't think he's on the board at twenty eight. I
Speaker 1: think Randy Gregory not only does he is, he a
Speaker 1: value pick at that point. If you feel comfortable with
Speaker 1: who he is as an individual, it's gonna be tough
Speaker 1: to pass. But again, he's not a flawless prospect on
Speaker 1: the field. No, and you were talking about a player
Speaker 1: that's light. You worry about the growth potential he has
Speaker 1: to sustain that way. He's a skinny dude, he is,
Speaker 1: and it's it's something worth But let's but let's also
Speaker 1: look at the scheme. Let's look at the Cowboys scheme.
Speaker 1: Here are they going to ask Randy Gregory to play
Speaker 1: sixty five plays a game that's not Marinelli's style. No matter,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, if you get a guy and you start
Speaker 1: mintsie at right end and and then you bring a
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory into the game kie year. Yeah. See that
Speaker 1: to me exactly So to me, that's where I you know,
Speaker 1: people are like, well, is he too light, Brian? Is
Speaker 1: he two six five, two thirty five? Yeah? Combine yeah
Speaker 1: and that and that's and that's what he is. But
Speaker 1: he is a hell of a football player in a
Speaker 1: lot of regard. I mean, and you just look at
Speaker 1: the talent. Now, there's times where he will he will
Speaker 1: make you mad. I mean there are times where you
Speaker 1: watch him get blocked, get widened, all these things off
Speaker 1: the field because of a hangnail exactly. That that now,
Speaker 1: that's fair, that's fair. But there's a lot of people
Speaker 1: that saw him as a top ten type of a talent.
Speaker 1: Brian brought us big board. You got him top ten,
Speaker 1: top fifteen. I don't, okay, I don't. Did you have
Speaker 1: him in your top where'd you have him in your fifteen?
Speaker 1: I did have him in my fifty. Let me see
Speaker 1: where my had him down. I had him down here
Speaker 1: might be low. Let's see I had him. I had
Speaker 1: him with a second round grade is what I had him,
Speaker 1: which I mean when you're picking at twenty seven, right,
Speaker 1: I mean I had him roughly at around twenty six
Speaker 1: twenty seven. That's the thing about Brian listening to his
Speaker 1: coverage through the years here is he does it, and
Speaker 1: he does his markets from a Cowboys perspective. It's not
Speaker 1: from a Brian broad his perspective of what he would
Speaker 1: do and that I'm just telling you I think that
Speaker 1: they would and thank you for explaining that though I
Speaker 1: think that to me, Dane said it. There are flaws
Speaker 1: in the player. I think he's a good football, but
Speaker 1: there are flaws. But there's people that saw him a
Speaker 1: lot higher than me. My evaluation of him was as
Speaker 1: a player and not a guy that likes to smoke
Speaker 1: dope on Friday nights. And he explains some of the
Speaker 1: dope smoking that he has some mental anxiety on occasion
Speaker 1: and that's the reason that he is dabbled in that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he does not fit the right kind of guy
Speaker 1: criteria from that Stampard point and doesn't appear when from
Speaker 1: what we've seen in the first round here recently, where
Speaker 1: you've got squeaky cleaner Jack Martin, Travis Breck and you
Speaker 1: look at character guys. It's important not to paint with
Speaker 1: a broad brush and say, okay, well, Dez Bryant his
Speaker 1: issues is a little different than Randy greg You have
Speaker 1: to look at these individuals and say, you know, how
Speaker 1: can we help make sure that he is on the field,
Speaker 1: he's there for us? You know what support system does
Speaker 1: he need? So with if Brandy Gregory does end up
Speaker 1: a Dallas Cowboy, that's a poor system by the Cowboys
Speaker 1: will be important. You can go two different ways with that.
Speaker 1: And I agree with everything y'all just said. And if
Speaker 1: there's a team that's proven a they're unafraid to do
Speaker 1: that and be that they can handle it. I mean
Speaker 1: you look at I mean Dez, Josh, Brent, Greg Hardy,
Speaker 1: Rolando McClain, all these guys that need that support system
Speaker 1: and it's worked to this point. The thing, and this
Speaker 1: has scared me going back to free agency, is at
Speaker 1: what point do you have like too many of those
Speaker 1: situations in one locker room? You know, I do worry
Speaker 1: about maintain a lot of them on the defensive side
Speaker 1: of the ball. I worry. I mean, you know, you
Speaker 1: don't want to have you don't want to have the
Speaker 1: Looney's running the Looney bat well, and I look at
Speaker 1: it different crass way to put it, but I look
Speaker 1: at it when you're drafting a player, especially a first
Speaker 1: round pick, differently than say signing a Greg Hardy. Obviously,
Speaker 1: the baggage well known when Hardy came in. But he's
Speaker 1: a rental. He's a one years I mean, if you
Speaker 1: sign if a first round pick, especially if you got
Speaker 1: basically have his rights for five years and he's a
Speaker 1: core part of your team long term thought process. So
Speaker 1: let me ask you, cares me, let me ask you, guys,
Speaker 1: and and we'll get into it more. If he's selected
Speaker 1: though likely to be good player, outstanding player, or a
Speaker 1: bust who Gregory Gregory, I think he'll probably be. I mean,
Speaker 1: if I mean, if I have to project right now,
Speaker 1: I'd say he'll be like a good player never you know,
Speaker 1: not de Marcus Ware. But I got him as a bust. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And because of the issues, Yeah, that's something you just
Speaker 1: can't ignore the issues. But I would probably fall somewhere
Speaker 1: in between these two guys. You know, I'm kind of
Speaker 1: fence riding there, but you know, I'm really worried about
Speaker 1: the issues. But he's a good player, he's a good athlete,
Speaker 1: a lot of things alike. Twenty seven. You're still scared,
Speaker 1: then I'll go out. I'll go out on the land.
Speaker 1: I don't like him at all, not at twentys, not
Speaker 1: in the first round. He'd be for me. It'd be
Speaker 1: like what the Cardinals did with Tyron Matthew in the
Speaker 1: third round, something like that. I like that. Ye Hey,
Speaker 1: it's the commission. The Commission is at the podium in Chicago.
Speaker 1: I wonder if they're booing him. We don't have sound
Speaker 1: now tonight they're booing him for the first time in
Speaker 1: fifty one years. Shytown is said, shytown. I don't know, Roger.
Speaker 1: I leave that to Kanye West. Thank you, and welcome
Speaker 1: to the thousands of fans and a ride here from Chicago.
Speaker 1: The mallions of fans are watching on the NFL network
Speaker 1: in the ESPN. Don't forget about Dallascowboys fans around the world.
Speaker 1: The heartfelt thank you for making the NFL great. So
Speaker 1: you're even the draft. Let's get started, all right, It's
Speaker 1: time to have some fun. The twenty and fifteen NFL
Speaker 1: Draft is officially open. It is officially open by the
Speaker 1: way fifty one years ago, nineteen sixty four, the last
Speaker 1: time the draft was held in Chicago. Who the Cowboys
Speaker 1: picked that year's pretty good draft? Rogers the tenth round
Speaker 1: pick that year. I feel bad that I got to
Speaker 1: draft day without learning that. Well, it's funny he didn't
Speaker 1: even find out he was drafted until the next day
Speaker 1: when he read it in the paper. That just tells
Speaker 1: you compared to what it is now. And uh, you
Speaker 1: had two other Hall of Famers taken by Gil Brandt
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys in that draft. Second round, mel Renfro,
Speaker 1: I think the right there behind you on the wall
Speaker 1: in fifth round, I think Bob Hayes. Bob Hayes not
Speaker 1: a bad draft. Actually, Bob Hayes was selected before. We're
Speaker 1: Bill Parcels Parcels Alliance. Yeah, the three Ring of Honor
Speaker 1: members in one draft. If I'm not mistaken, what do
Speaker 1: what the forty type was for Parcels dug up, not
Speaker 1: thinking he wasn't now qualified as a Bill Parcels is
Speaker 1: happy that there's no combine coverage. I think that night
Speaker 1: Bill brand knew what he was doing, knows what he's
Speaker 1: doing with the with the Buccaneers on the clock now,
Speaker 1: and it's as we're rolling here, it's eight fifty as
Speaker 1: they've started. Are you on board with this potentially with
Speaker 1: the Mariota pick actume with the Winston pick? Yes, I am.
Speaker 1: I mean it's he's you can talk about the off field,
Speaker 1: you can talk about maturity concerns. You have to roll
Speaker 1: the dice on him, you have to what he showed
Speaker 1: on tape. I feel very comfortable with the player that
Speaker 1: you're getting for a player that just turned twenty one
Speaker 1: years old, what he showed me on tape, I'm really
Speaker 1: excited for who he's going to be at the NFL level,
Speaker 1: as long as he stays mature and you know you
Speaker 1: he takes care of business off the field. So when
Speaker 1: you take me, you look at these quarterbacks early, it's
Speaker 1: fifty fifty. Whether they're going to pan out, I'll take
Speaker 1: my ends with Winston. They have The biggest question mark
Speaker 1: I have on him as a player on the field
Speaker 1: are the eighteen picks that he threw last year King
Speaker 1: and that's not unprecedented. Dan Marino had twenty three interceptions
Speaker 1: his senior year. He had a great junior year, bad
Speaker 1: senior year he had He actually had more interceptions and touchdowns,
Speaker 1: So it's not unprecedented, but absolutely it's something that is
Speaker 1: in the equation. And for Winston, he had forty touchdowns,
Speaker 1: ten interceptions freshman, that's right, is a Richard freshman. Then
Speaker 1: this past year twenty five touchdowns, eighteen interceptions. I think
Speaker 1: the thing that bothered me the most about him is
Speaker 1: you talk about the turnovers. I worry about the lack
Speaker 1: of mobility and and I'm saying from a and there's
Speaker 1: some lack of mobility pocket standpoint. Yeah, so you think
Speaker 1: he's slow even for a pocket Yeah, I have. I
Speaker 1: have some issues when when things start to break down,
Speaker 1: you see him have to move. And he's had some
Speaker 1: runs where he's been you know, got through and managed
Speaker 1: to bounce off scrambler. He's not And I think that's
Speaker 1: the thing that I would worry about though, if he's
Speaker 1: not well protected initially and then having to make a
Speaker 1: lot of moves and then having to throw the ball.
Speaker 1: I think when you pressure him, just noticing on the tape,
Speaker 1: the biggest trouble and you can say it's about any quarterback,
Speaker 1: but especially this one. The more pressure he would face,
Speaker 1: the worst he would play, in my opinion. And that's
Speaker 1: and That's interesting because I was there were times and
Speaker 1: I'm not just talking about the Oregon game and having
Speaker 1: to come back because he is a rallying quarterback. I
Speaker 1: mean the one loss on his right, yeah exactly, but
Speaker 1: when you watch the mistakes that he had, it was
Speaker 1: him having to do something move to throw when you
Speaker 1: when you stand there and throw. He can make the throws.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, But I worried about. I worry about if
Speaker 1: the Buccaneers don't protect him well enough initially, which offensive
Speaker 1: line is not a strength for the Tami. I'll be
Speaker 1: honest with you. I disagree with you there. I like
Speaker 1: his mobility in the pocket compared to what a lot
Speaker 1: of these college guys slide just to slide. I think
Speaker 1: he can sense it, and he can. I've seen him
Speaker 1: do it enough, recognize blitzes, move in the pocket and
Speaker 1: be able to sense where that pressure is coming from. Now,
Speaker 1: does he need to improve in a lot of areas there? Yes?
Speaker 1: Is he Marcus Mariota when it comes to moving around? No,
Speaker 1: he's not. He doesn't have that type of athleticism. But
Speaker 1: I'm still okay with you know, his pocket mobility, his movement,
Speaker 1: his ability to sense pressure. I think perhaps his biggest
Speaker 1: the biggest difference for him from his red shirt freshman
Speaker 1: year to his red shirt sophomore year. He didn't have
Speaker 1: Kelvin and he's got he's got a nice little white
Speaker 1: out out down there in Tampa. If they I mean,
Speaker 1: if they do pick him here, yeah, that's the Johnny
Speaker 1: Man's And that was the biggest difference for Man as
Speaker 1: well when he didn't have Mike Evans well. And that
Speaker 1: was one of the big things for Winston this year
Speaker 1: is he relied so much on Rashad Green and Nico
Speaker 1: Leary and defense is picked up and defenses knew that.
Speaker 1: So I think that's where a lot of those interceptions
Speaker 1: came from. That's the that's the right there on the TV.
Speaker 1: They haven't they haven't got finished above five hundred and
Speaker 1: four years. They haven't made the playoffs in seven seasons.
Speaker 1: And I don't like, I know, Leonard Williams is the
Speaker 1: number one guy on Dane's board. I don't think Leonard
Speaker 1: Williams is reversing your your fortunes in that situation. I
Speaker 1: think you got to roll the dice and if they
Speaker 1: hit on Jamis, then they're immediately relevant and immediately in contention.
Speaker 1: For a playoff spot for the next decade or more.
Speaker 1: Potential trouble spot for Jamis Winston might be the fact
Speaker 1: that he's staying home. Absolutely, I mean, I mean, there
Speaker 1: a lot of people say that it's better, especially for
Speaker 1: a kid who's had some problems, to get away from home.
Speaker 1: So it'll be so interesting to see how it plays out.
Speaker 1: The pick is in. We await the commissioner heading to
Speaker 1: the pody. By the way, we're watching the NFL network coverage,
Speaker 1: which I'm sure if you are by a television you're
Speaker 1: doing the same and you obviously have the sound turned
Speaker 1: down right here to our live coverage of the NFL
Speaker 1: Draft twenty fifteen. Did you think there was a big
Speaker 1: difference between Winston and Mariota when you were doing that
Speaker 1: your study, big difference, not necessarily, but I felt more
Speaker 1: comfortable with the transition because pro style offense compared to
Speaker 1: what happened at Oregon. I felt more comfortable watching Winston's
Speaker 1: tape and saying NFL throw as an NFL throw, I
Speaker 1: felt more. I feel more comfortable with Winston as he
Speaker 1: goes to the NFL level, and Winston he's someone we'll
Speaker 1: see next year as a rookie. He's not going to
Speaker 1: be sitting the bench. We will see Winston on the field.
Speaker 1: Markus Mariota, we'll see where he ends up. If it's
Speaker 1: in Tennessee. A good chance we don't see Marcus Mariota
Speaker 1: at least to begin the season. I'm interested to see
Speaker 1: where Mike Glennon winds up if he's if they just
Speaker 1: keep him there and says the backup to Winston or
Speaker 1: what could I agree with you? Winston's gonna be playing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it could be a nice trade piece for it the
Speaker 1: team that doesn't get their quarterback in this draft, you know,
Speaker 1: later on maybe Friday Saturday. Do you think he was
Speaker 1: is Glennon and watching him play? Do you think though
Speaker 1: there's salvageable though when you watch him play Glennon, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think he's. I mean, there's a reason the
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Buccaneers are picking number one overall and they're
Speaker 1: gonna about to draft the quarterback. They basically didn't get
Speaker 1: him a shot once Lovey came in there last year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, Josh McCown, who's Cleveland Brown now the commissioner
Speaker 1: making his way to the podium. Now we're the first
Speaker 1: pick In the twenty fifteen NFL Draft, the Tampa Bay
Speaker 1: Buccaneers select Jameis Winston. Quota quota thing. Oh he's happy.
Speaker 1: That guy's thrilled. There you have it. We are underway.
Speaker 1: Jamis Winston, of course, not making the way to Chicago.
Speaker 1: He looks so surprised. Is there another league in the
Speaker 1: world where a guy would put on that get up
Speaker 1: to go to Chicago to watch somebody announced that they
Speaker 1: got a guy who will play for them five months
Speaker 1: from now. Now that's the great thing about That's insane
Speaker 1: and in the fans and all, but yeah, absolutely so.
Speaker 1: Uh big decision here though, you know Lovey Smith in
Speaker 1: that group last year, you know that maybe that was
Speaker 1: a little bit of Uh. I think maybe some surprise
Speaker 1: with with way the Buccaneers play. Lovey Lovey always been
Speaker 1: a guy that's come in. Teams have been solid. Defense
Speaker 1: has always been solid. Did you think that team was
Speaker 1: that talent poor in certain areas? They definitely are. You
Speaker 1: talk about the offensive line, offensive line, you can look
Speaker 1: on defense, then they need some help. And a team
Speaker 1: that in the last few years have made a lot
Speaker 1: of splashes in free agency and that hasn't worked out,
Speaker 1: and so I think now we'll see what they do
Speaker 1: moving forward in this draft. Hopefully they build from within,
Speaker 1: but there's a nice foundation there with Mike Evans, Vincent Jackson,
Speaker 1: Austin Seferie and Jenkins. Jamis Winston has some tall trees
Speaker 1: to throw too in Tampa. So it's gonna be it's
Speaker 1: gonna be interesting how this how it plays out this
Speaker 1: year when he's a rookie. And of course they didn't
Speaker 1: do anything basically offensively in free agency, but there's several
Speaker 1: former Cowboys now who are Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and Bruce Carter,
Speaker 1: Henry Milton and Sterling Moore. Yeah, yeah, that's gonna be
Speaker 1: all right. So I mean, so you got a Cowboys
Speaker 1: contingent and the number one pick in the draft to
Speaker 1: look forward to. The Cowboys go down there two weeks
Speaker 1: before Thanksgiving, see, and and that'll be that's something, and
Speaker 1: that'll be something that's you know, by that time played
Speaker 1: quite a few games. Yeah, I think you'll have an idea.
Speaker 1: You were taught last year with Dane with Teddy Bridgewater.
Speaker 1: You know, by the end of the season, Teddy Bridgewater
Speaker 1: was played pretty well and by the way Dane Brugler
Speaker 1: had Teddy Bridgewater as his number one guy on his
Speaker 1: big board, so hopefully he keeps that going to keep
Speaker 1: that runner there, he's got a shot too. Yeah, Tennessee
Speaker 1: is on the clock, and this is where this draft
Speaker 1: gets interested. There's been so much speculation draft starts on
Speaker 1: what will Tennessee do, and their phone line has been
Speaker 1: burning up here in the last several days, I'm sure,
Speaker 1: especially the last several hours. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: guys saw this, it was right around the time we
Speaker 1: actually started the show, but Ian Rappapor with NFL dot
Speaker 1: Com is reporting Philly is offered at Tennessee two first rounders,
Speaker 1: a third rounder, Fletcher Cox is it, Brandon Boykin, that's quarterback,
Speaker 1: Michael Kendricks their linebacker, and Sam Bradford to get to
Speaker 1: this pick, and apparently rabbitfre says it's not enough Tennessee
Speaker 1: once more. Wow, I mean that's a hot always at
Speaker 1: two ones two ones, so one this year and next year,
Speaker 1: a third this year. Fletcher Cox, who is a boss
Speaker 1: at that for at defensive line at the nose, Brandon Boykin,
Speaker 1: who's a decent okay dB. Michael Kendricks who has been
Speaker 1: good for them, So how close is Cox to free agency.
Speaker 1: I want to say they just picked up his option,
Speaker 1: so he's good. They have to pay him after one
Speaker 1: season based BOYCN is probably into his free agent year
Speaker 1: coming up, and Sam Bradford also is last year, and
Speaker 1: so I mean that's a really that is a very
Speaker 1: good point. Is that this is a short term options.
Speaker 1: They look at it as two ones in the three. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a really great point. Okay, it's gonna either come
Speaker 1: down to the quarterback or Williams, right, Leonard Williams, is
Speaker 1: that who you know? If you Marcus Mariota is getting
Speaker 1: picked here, I I just I don't. I'm not good
Speaker 1: even be a scenario wherever he gets picked and then
Speaker 1: go somewhere else. I think that's definitely impossible. That is
Speaker 1: that's a good point. I mean, really, it hasn't happened
Speaker 1: since since ELI and four. Yeah, but so it's not
Speaker 1: a common occurrence, but it is something if a deal
Speaker 1: does not get done now. But I think you're right, Uh,
Speaker 1: Mariota is the pick here. It has to be either
Speaker 1: because somebody's that desperate to get him, or I mean,
Speaker 1: Tennessee's not in a much different boat than Tampa Bay.
Speaker 1: In my opinion. And we don't know if Tennessee's been
Speaker 1: lying all all along, but apparently wizen Hunt likes Mettenburger,
Speaker 1: former LASU quarterback. I mean he's the next coming. He's yea.
Speaker 1: If I'm making the picks, I'm like Mariota, no thank
Speaker 1: you because Mettenberger's taking And by the way, there was
Speaker 1: some speculation that Philip Rivers could get traded from San
Speaker 1: Diego to Tennessee. And Philip Rivers was told today by
Speaker 1: the Chargers he's not getting traded and they're talking about
Speaker 1: a contract extension for him. Huh. Well you know this
Speaker 1: one though, bothers me a little bit. Why is that? Well, again,
Speaker 1: the skill level of the player. Can can this quarterback
Speaker 1: make all the throne? And how quickly can he adapt
Speaker 1: to the NFL game? I think you have a bigger
Speaker 1: question about that, about how he adapts. Yeah, absolutely, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's you watch the tape. You can see
Speaker 1: the traits he I think he can do it all.
Speaker 1: But just arm strength though, I'm okay with the arms, right,
Speaker 1: It's not it's not elite, but I'm okay with it.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's passable, it's a it's a it's enough, um,
Speaker 1: But in this league, you have to be accurate. Right. Yes,
Speaker 1: he set a record at Oregon for completion percentage, but
Speaker 1: you watch this offense. It allowed receivers to be wide open,
Speaker 1: and he would miss those a lot of times. I
Speaker 1: just worry about that. That's where I disagree with you
Speaker 1: on that, because I thought that was one of his
Speaker 1: best traits that he had. With the accuracy part of it, though,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not saying it was. It is. I'd
Speaker 1: say best traits, but one of the traits when the
Speaker 1: ball was coming out he was guys were catching it
Speaker 1: on the move and stuff like that. Money threw six
Speaker 1: picks in college or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The thing
Speaker 1: about it, I didn't see the ball going down the field.
Speaker 1: That's why I thought that as a player, as a quarterback,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, Okay, he's accurate because everything is, everything is quick,
Speaker 1: everything is underneath, everything is the open receivers. Now I
Speaker 1: do I do grant you the inside some of the
Speaker 1: inside throws, the ends, those kinds of routes where there
Speaker 1: were some high balls behind and stuff. But I thought
Speaker 1: overall that was it. So you know, I could see
Speaker 1: though I could see him being the pick. I think that,
Speaker 1: you know, I think you're absolutely in a minute and
Speaker 1: a half to go on the clock, and they got
Speaker 1: the pick in Twitter Tennessee Titan. Twitter seems to be
Speaker 1: indicating that it will be Marcus Mariota to Tennessee. I got.
Speaker 1: I mean there are teams I mentioned the Cleveland Browns
Speaker 1: they want Mariota, but they are balking at giving up
Speaker 1: more than twelve and nineteen to get him. So could
Speaker 1: we see something after this? We're seeing handshakes hands around.
Speaker 1: You get that's gonna be the quarterback? Right? I think so? No, absolutely,
Speaker 1: have you ever seen them drafted a defensive tackle instead
Speaker 1: of a quarterback? Well, literal Williams. I would, I would
Speaker 1: high five Linard Williams. I'd give it, you know, Leary Williams.
Speaker 1: I'm all I think of whoever their picket, there's gonna
Speaker 1: be handshakes all around. But yeah, that's true, nobody. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm still waiting for the press conference after the
Speaker 1: first round where one team is like, we got the
Speaker 1: wrong guy. So if if Mariota is the pick, though,
Speaker 1: everybody you know down my pick right here. I feel
Speaker 1: better about Jameis Winston than Marcus Mariota. That's just me.
Speaker 1: I mean, if that's what you're asking. See, I feel
Speaker 1: really not great about either one of them. I mean
Speaker 1: to I mean totally, I don't feel great. I don't
Speaker 1: feel like and I'm not trying to sit there and
Speaker 1: compare hint, these guys to Andrew Luck No, no, and
Speaker 1: and And that's what scares me because I feel like
Speaker 1: I've been talking all along about Bryce Petty, you know,
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to think, okay, but see there's no
Speaker 1: second or or its gonna be third quarterback that you
Speaker 1: could say, Okay, I'll wait to the top of the
Speaker 1: second round and grab that guy, unless you really do
Speaker 1: like Betty. If you like Bryce Petty and you're sitting
Speaker 1: Tennessee and you're sitting there at thirty three, then you
Speaker 1: could go a different direction in right and take Petty
Speaker 1: at that point because that maybe trade into See this
Speaker 1: is where it hits you in the guns because who
Speaker 1: came over the next squ the next quarterbacks not so
Speaker 1: much gonna be compared to Winston. It's probably gonna be Mariota.
Speaker 1: You know, if you look at bus factors, who has
Speaker 1: the probably the biggest chance for bus bus factors, I
Speaker 1: think it would probably be. Uh, do you see do
Speaker 1: you see Pro Bowls and either one of these two
Speaker 1: quarterbacks futures Winston maybe Mariota not really Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't see it. I don't either. I just can't believe
Speaker 1: I can see like I and I know they're they're
Speaker 1: different players. They're very different players. I get that. But
Speaker 1: I am reminded a lot of Cam Newton with Winston,
Speaker 1: with how much he was screwed. Jam Newton is not
Speaker 1: a bad player. He's a good player. He's I mean,
Speaker 1: he's taken the Panthers to the playoffs two years. He's
Speaker 1: gonna get an extension. I think I think Winston could
Speaker 1: be Newton. Where the second pick in the twenty fifteen
Speaker 1: NFL drafts, the Tennessee Titans select Marcus Mariotto. Mariotte seven months.
Speaker 1: There's only two dudes. It's two quarterbacks. Roger Lord So,
Speaker 1: two quarterbacks off the board. First time since twenty twelve
Speaker 1: we had quarterbacks go one two. Sixth time in history
Speaker 1: we've had quarterbacks go one two. See, this is what
Speaker 1: first time since luck and RG three? Correct, this is
Speaker 1: what kind of this just shows you though, what happens.
Speaker 1: And you said it earlier. There's a reason why Tampa
Speaker 1: in Tennessee are picking here right now, and and and
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden and more so though
Speaker 1: in more so though in Tennessee, you got a head
Speaker 1: coach that's not exactly sitting very pretty there or a
Speaker 1: general managers. I mean, if you've tied your you're you're
Speaker 1: you've tied your your maybe your fate to this kid.
Speaker 1: But what choice do you have, you know, Leonard Leonard
Speaker 1: William you could have took that trade. They kind of
Speaker 1: took that trade. But you have taken in that trade.
Speaker 1: But I mean, you're again, it was it was Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: If you feel good, if you feel good about if
Speaker 1: you feel good about Zach Mettenberg, I mean that's you're
Speaker 1: talking about a lot of guys who aren't under contract,
Speaker 1: like the fact like Cox and Bradford aren't gonna fox Bradford.
Speaker 1: But could those guys help your overall team. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not feeling a lot better about Sam Bradford. And
Speaker 1: tell you the church the thing with Sam Bradford, keep it,
Speaker 1: keep Sam Bradford out, But he's foxing Kendricks and knows well.
Speaker 1: Cox is a one year guy that's a thing. You
Speaker 1: gotta resign. Tools done playing basically, and the picks were
Speaker 1: Philadelphia the twentieth pick in the first round, first round
Speaker 1: next year, and the fifty second pick. I actually, I
Speaker 1: take that back. I guess Cox would be a two
Speaker 1: year guy if they picked up his option last week. Okay,
Speaker 1: so you got two years from Fletcher. Let's remember he's
Speaker 1: a Tennessee Titan four. Now look, Jacksonville Jaguars, this has
Speaker 1: gotta be Dante Fowler. We've talked. Don't rule out of
Speaker 1: Cooper here. I'm with you. Fowler makes the most sense.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, I'm hitching my wagon to the bruglermobile
Speaker 1: over here. Jacksonville picked all those wide receivers last year. Also,
Speaker 1: you gotta go they got Mark eas Lee last year.
Speaker 1: That's true, Alan Robinson and Hearns. That's an undrafted free
Speaker 1: agency they hit on defensive. Head coach Jacksonville knew exactly
Speaker 1: the direction they were going, in my opinion, but they
Speaker 1: when they sat there said, okay, fine, you guys talk
Speaker 1: about those quarterbacks. I think that we saw Jacksonville play
Speaker 1: last year. Jerry Sullivan I was not bad. The receivers
Speaker 1: are not bad. Jackson He's got a lot of young guys.
Speaker 1: I think they need defensive help here. Yeah. Hey, and
Speaker 1: Fowler was my was my was my third guy on
Speaker 1: the board. Architect, the architect of that Seattle defense is
Speaker 1: the guy making this picks. And of course they in
Speaker 1: free agency, they signed Julius Thomas, so they got their
Speaker 1: big tight end. That Actually, all right, I'm off the
Speaker 1: Cooper train now, I didn't. I forgot about Julius Thomas.
Speaker 1: Fowler makes a lot of sense. Justus Bradley wants his
Speaker 1: pass rusher last year, Marks Lee, that's another that's another program.
Speaker 1: That's let's keep in mind one foot in the parking
Speaker 1: lot at this time last year. Who who thought it
Speaker 1: was gonna be playing Bortles? You know, yeah I did
Speaker 1: because that was my number one quarterback. But did you
Speaker 1: think they played it? You think Jacksonville is gonna take him? Yes,
Speaker 1: jackson Well, I did. For the we did for the
Speaker 1: media masses out there. It was very surprising because Jacksonville
Speaker 1: played it so close to the vest. Absolutely, I wasn't surprised.
Speaker 1: The Manzell hype and that stuff. I wasn't surprised Bortles
Speaker 1: went high. I was surprised Jacksonville went that direction because
Speaker 1: they kept that so secreted. Well, that's David Calwell down there.
Speaker 1: Believe that's what that's secretive. Polling Disciple Polling was always
Speaker 1: one of those guys, and it was easy for them
Speaker 1: to meet with Bordles and work him out with anybody
Speaker 1: knowing it because he's at Central Florida there in Jacksonville.
Speaker 1: That's kind of refreshing that an NFL team in this
Speaker 1: day and age can still kind of keep their cards
Speaker 1: close to the vest because there's so many sources, well,
Speaker 1: not a lot of people covering the team, and a
Speaker 1: small market I've worked I've worked at when they used
Speaker 1: to have two guys Pete Priscoe and John Osher with
Speaker 1: only two guys that met, theres a few more now
Speaker 1: it might be a few more and Jacksonville and free agency.
Speaker 1: The most notable pickup was Jared Addrick defensive end. But
Speaker 1: Dante Fowler has been saying for weeks that he thinks
Speaker 1: he's going to Jacksonville. Future makes Leonard Williams not as
Speaker 1: much of a need out there. And I know we
Speaker 1: only talk about picking this early. It's not about in need,
Speaker 1: about talent. Dante Fowler's one heck of a talent. Speaking
Speaker 1: of Cowboy free agents, Jeremy Parnell will be lining up
Speaker 1: at tackle for them this year. Exactly right, that's right.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he'll be on the right side
Speaker 1: or the left side. I was right. They did draft joke,
Speaker 1: they did. You're right, yeah, Brian, you know I like
Speaker 1: my stats. I know you do. Okay, d you watch
Speaker 1: the tape too? Oh, no, of course. But Jamis Winston.
Speaker 1: He is only the second redshirt sophomore quarterback to be
Speaker 1: drafted top twenty. Ever, the first was not Johnny Manzil
Speaker 1: because he went like twenty two or exactly. The first
Speaker 1: was about fifteen years ago, now, kid out of Virginia Tech. Oh,
Speaker 1: Michael Vick, Michael Vick. That's right. He was the first
Speaker 1: retrod sophomore quarterback to be drafted number one overall. Jameis
Speaker 1: Winson the second. Wow, they've they're getting out of commercial
Speaker 1: break on NFL network, and so that means the commissioner
Speaker 1: will make his way to the podium. Very sick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we saw it again. We saw Jacksonville live. They just
Speaker 1: don't have enough. They didn't have any dynamic. The pass wrong,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what you know. The game started well
Speaker 1: for him, and then what happened? It just did They
Speaker 1: couldn't they couldn't generate. That's the classic. It's like name
Speaker 1: five Jacksonville Jaguars and you're like, I don't know. By
Speaker 1: the way, you can tweet us at the draft show
Speaker 1: if you have any questions, and we're monitoring that and
Speaker 1: we'll answer your tweeted to questions as well as we
Speaker 1: uh mosey along here. You got Bill Jones, Brian brought us,
Speaker 1: Dane Bruegler, David Hellman, We'll have some others are working
Speaker 1: it as well as we take potty breaks as we
Speaker 1: go along the way here. But it's a marathon, it is.
Speaker 1: It's not a sprint. It's a marathon. We got Jacksonville
Speaker 1: number three, followed by Oakland and Washington, and again it's
Speaker 1: the two quarterbacks have gone pretty much as expected, Winston
Speaker 1: and Mariota. I'm really in tu if we're assuming foulers
Speaker 1: the pick here. I'm really intrigued by what happens after
Speaker 1: because I mean, Leonard Leonard Williams best player in the draft,
Speaker 1: right that? Yeah? I think, well on your board is
Speaker 1: he he's number one? Right? You get to pair the
Speaker 1: best player in this draft with Khalil Mack. I just
Speaker 1: think that sounds dynamite for the Oakland Raiders. And I'm
Speaker 1: terrified for Raiders fans, not that I have any stake,
Speaker 1: but they deserve to have a good team after however
Speaker 1: many years it's been. I just think that's the most
Speaker 1: Raiders thing I've ever heard, to go get a flat
Speaker 1: like there's value at help but helped, but helped the
Speaker 1: quarterback and if the computer comes, you can help the quarterback.
Speaker 1: In the second round, with the third pick in the
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen NFL Draft, the Jacksonville Jaguards select Dante Fowler Junior.
Speaker 1: There he goes, that's Dante Holar junior. Three for three
Speaker 1: in the Monk Draft. I feel good. There you go,
Speaker 1: perfect score for Dane Brugler in his draft. Hey, there's
Speaker 1: not some people that now now comes. Now comes the
Speaker 1: real and by the way, Oakland is now on the clock. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Oakland again, we've talked about a couple different things.
Speaker 1: And for your folks that are I see some folks
Speaker 1: on h that are tweeting at the draft show. We
Speaker 1: do not control the war room cam. That what you
Speaker 1: see is the space when I actually don't see you
Speaker 1: see us when they are when they got it the
Speaker 1: camera cook. Yeah, and this is when they would let
Speaker 1: us look, you know, like why let me tell you
Speaker 1: this from my experience, there might be some more discussions
Speaker 1: going on there making sure going through us. So they're
Speaker 1: afraid about lip readers, Well they could very well be.
Speaker 1: I mean, if we do our shows talking cowboys, and
Speaker 1: I always put my hand because folks are really good,
Speaker 1: let me ask you this. Yeah, is there someone here
Speaker 1: at Valley Ranch who's monitoring all of the other nfl
Speaker 1: FELL websites to see if they can get any tips
Speaker 1: from anybody anywhere. Well, I'll tell you that when I
Speaker 1: was in pro personnel, I mean that was what I
Speaker 1: was trying to my best to have as much information.
Speaker 1: We didn't have the access to Twitter and Internet. I
Speaker 1: mean there were certain guys that you followed beat writers
Speaker 1: that you might have liked insight and give you a
Speaker 1: little insight. But I believe what's going on in the
Speaker 1: war room right now is like I said, with it
Speaker 1: being covered and we'll get eating. Well they could they again,
Speaker 1: it could be just as it could be just talking
Speaker 1: about the catering right out there, how they're going to
Speaker 1: handle handle this when it gets down, is everybody once
Speaker 1: again comfortable with whatever player? You know, it's in the direction.
Speaker 1: Maybe they're running through a couple of last minute things
Speaker 1: and then we'll go right to that, all right. Uh.
Speaker 1: And if the Cowboys wanted to trade up, how how
Speaker 1: far do you think they could go? I mean, if
Speaker 1: they wanted to Todd Gurley or something. How much ammunition
Speaker 1: do they have to go up? How far? It's an
Speaker 1: interesting question. I mean, you think about the needs of
Speaker 1: this team, has uh, the picks they have available to him,
Speaker 1: and how far you have to go? I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: the steam on Todd Gurley has just been gathering. And
Speaker 1: not mean I'm using that as a hypothetical, but he
Speaker 1: has climbed from first round to top twenty to top fifteen.
Speaker 1: I saw him as high as twelve earlier this afternoon. Uh.
Speaker 1: And you get into this scenario where I mean, you're
Speaker 1: either talking about giving away future picks or more excuse me, mouthful,
Speaker 1: mortgaging this entire draft to get up there. I mean,
Speaker 1: let's say San Diego and Miami are the first plausible
Speaker 1: options to take a running back and to make that
Speaker 1: high of a jump, you're talking about giving away second
Speaker 1: rounders third. I mean, you could be if it's a
Speaker 1: running if it's a running back, you're probably gonna have
Speaker 1: to get ahead of San Diego. You have to go
Speaker 1: to Houston. It's how about Miami though, that's and I
Speaker 1: mean they are linked to Gurley, but they can't go
Speaker 1: that high. And in my opinion, I mean, if they
Speaker 1: package their first and second round pick, they could possibly
Speaker 1: get to sixteen. If Houston was a willing soul. It's
Speaker 1: theory ically possible. But you get into should you do that?
Speaker 1: And I think the answer a lot of the last
Speaker 1: three years, they've basically they've traded up significantly, giving up
Speaker 1: a top one hundred pick. The Clayborne deal had traded
Speaker 1: a second, and then last year trading a third to
Speaker 1: move up in the second round. We've been seeing trade
Speaker 1: rumors earlier today that the Cowboys might want to acquire
Speaker 1: Michael Brockers from Saint Louis. But how about that though
Speaker 1: we were in the parking lot. Yeah no, And granted
Speaker 1: the Cowboys dismissed it completely, but it's just funny to
Speaker 1: me that they could have had Michael Brockers if they
Speaker 1: hadn't been jumping around in the first place, So I'm
Speaker 1: against trading up unless it's a very favorable deal. Quickly
Speaker 1: go around Williams or Cooper is for this pick for
Speaker 1: the Raiders. I go Cooper and the pick is in, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm going Cooper, and then I think I think it
Speaker 1: should be well. And the other thing Kevin White. There's
Speaker 1: there's a lot of so called experts out there who
Speaker 1: have Kevin White above Maury Cooper. I just think that
Speaker 1: if you it's Cooper, he's such such a smooth player,
Speaker 1: made the way he the trade offen. Yeah, I really
Speaker 1: really like him a lot. We talked about helping out
Speaker 1: that quarterback. You have to and you do. You do it.
Speaker 1: The thing is, it's it's tough because Leonard Williams to
Speaker 1: me is the best player in this draft. I agree
Speaker 1: with you there, but but you have to help out that.
Speaker 1: You have to help out your quarterback. And I think
Speaker 1: Maori Cooper is I hate using the word safe when
Speaker 1: it comes to the NFL Draft. He is one of
Speaker 1: the safer picks this year. I think you know what
Speaker 1: you're getting. You pair him with Michael Crabtree, who the
Speaker 1: Raiders signed all of a sudden. Derek Carr has some
Speaker 1: tools to work with. What if I told you you
Speaker 1: could have Leonard Williams anchoring your defense and go get
Speaker 1: like DGB at the beginning of the second round, that
Speaker 1: do anything for you. I'm not big on DGB. I
Speaker 1: know he's scary, but there are other I mean, if
Speaker 1: he's not your cup of tea, there are other wide receivers.
Speaker 1: I think. I think recent drafts have proven that there's
Speaker 1: value to be had there and wide receiver. I mean,
Speaker 1: I can't argue with it. Yeah, I mean, you spend
Speaker 1: a high pick on a back, you should get him
Speaker 1: some help. But I don't know. I haven't been in
Speaker 1: love Dave got We we saw that team live. It
Speaker 1: didn't know two years ago. We didn't know last year
Speaker 1: the camp. Yeah, trading kid, it kind of kicked the
Speaker 1: Cowboys butts. But but but no weapons. So really at
Speaker 1: the receiver spot, I mean, yeah, Derek, you're right Carr.
Speaker 1: I thought Derek Carr played his butt off, and I
Speaker 1: think you have to help him. I think you have
Speaker 1: to find a way to try and help him. This
Speaker 1: could be a little bit of the LSU Homer in me,
Speaker 1: but I just have never I'm not in love with
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper that's I mean, I don't think he you
Speaker 1: talk about do you see him making Pro Bowls? And
Speaker 1: you know, I don't see him being a Megatron type guy.
Speaker 1: And that's the type that's what you're looking for when
Speaker 1: you draft the receiver this high. John Gruden made an
Speaker 1: interesting comparison and he called him Tim Brown. Reminded him,
Speaker 1: that's a nice comparison. That was the best comparison I
Speaker 1: have heard yet. He's a faster Tim Brown, though Tim
Speaker 1: Brown was never a guy that could really haul him.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, he made as far as that type
Speaker 1: of speed. So what we were thinking we thinking receiver
Speaker 1: here were thinking offense. I'm going Cooper, where is my
Speaker 1: best player? I can understand. Fifteen NFL Draft, The Oakland
Speaker 1: Raiders select Amari Cooper. There you go, yeah, wide receiver Alabama.
Speaker 1: So so far this draft is going according to form
Speaker 1: as the hated Washington Redskins are now on the clock
Speaker 1: the number five pick. And if you're the Redskins that
Speaker 1: picked in a while, have they this? Yeah? And this
Speaker 1: couldn't have worked out better for them to get that.
Speaker 1: Williams You go, I mean, well what about an offensive
Speaker 1: lineman here? Though? Where does where? I mean where do
Speaker 1: where do you play Williams? If you're the Redskins three
Speaker 1: to four, he's your five technique. I mean, he's your Wow.
Speaker 1: Do you think that's the kind of a waste playing
Speaker 1: him as at? Yeah? But does J. J. Watts more
Speaker 1: of a linear kind of a guy though. Williams, he
Speaker 1: seems like he's meant to be in a four three
Speaker 1: to me, Yeah, I'd see him like playing that three
Speaker 1: on the shoulder up the field coast. Is it plausible
Speaker 1: to think Washington passes two and your number one is
Speaker 1: all of a sudden sitting there at six. I think
Speaker 1: we have to look at what do we talked about all? All?
Speaker 1: Along with Washington? They want to trade back. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: best players on the board right now, if Mom draft,
Speaker 1: I'm the bear down Chicago Bar. I'm thinking about getting
Speaker 1: up there right That phone is buzzing right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you look at if you look at Redskins needs
Speaker 1: outside linebacker, safety, potentially a wide receiver or quarterback was
Speaker 1: also something that we had kind of worked on. Looking
Speaker 1: again at offensive lineman as well. You know, I don't
Speaker 1: know you talk about the guys they brought in. Vic
Speaker 1: Beasley is a guy they brought in. Uh, let's see
Speaker 1: who else was another guy? Anybody of substance and Litterard
Speaker 1: Williams Terd Williams was one of their visits. This is
Speaker 1: redk this is the Redskins. So I mean, if he's
Speaker 1: that good, you find something to do it. I just
Speaker 1: think that they they're offensive line. I think they have to,
Speaker 1: you know. And this is where I think, this is
Speaker 1: where shuff I feel good about taking SUREF five. I
Speaker 1: think that you don't like Chriff No, no, I like him.
Speaker 1: I like it. I'm fine. I'm fine with him. I'm
Speaker 1: fine with him as going to the reds I think
Speaker 1: he's a guard. I don't think he's a tack tic
Speaker 1: a guard fifth overall, and he's a right tackle. He well,
Speaker 1: he plays he plays left tackle in the NFL. Is
Speaker 1: he a right tackle? Dane, I wouldn't play it right.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't play the tackles his arm. He's a guard.
Speaker 1: But I'm not sold on this at all. Based on
Speaker 1: what you're saying, they might. It'll be interesting to see
Speaker 1: what they list him at they might list him. That'll
Speaker 1: give you a little bit of a clue if they
Speaker 1: in fact draft him. But I I wouldn't be surprised
Speaker 1: they went offensive line here. I really really wouldn't. I
Speaker 1: agree with you. A sheriff to that was a mess
Speaker 1: was in my mock draft, but Leonard Williams was not available,
Speaker 1: and so I think that it's hard to pass on
Speaker 1: Leonard Williams here. It's just it's tough to do and
Speaker 1: you're picking top five. And what the Redskins have done
Speaker 1: in free agency, They've signed several defensive lineman Ricky Jean
Speaker 1: Franz Swi from Indianapolis, Terry to Denver, Stephen Pia from Chicago.
Speaker 1: There you go. See. I just think, you know, when
Speaker 1: you talk about the Redskins and you look their offensive line,
Speaker 1: we saw that at the end of the year. Do
Speaker 1: you think he's like a Zach Martin type beat He's not,
Speaker 1: so you can take five overall. He's not. But that's
Speaker 1: what you just took Marcus Mariota too. Don't you take
Speaker 1: best player available? Maybe he's the best player on their board.
Speaker 1: I bet he's not. I bet this is gonna be
Speaker 1: Leonard Williams and you figure it out. Yeah, I just
Speaker 1: I just don't see. I mean, I'm watching that team
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at those offensive linemen, and I'm Corey
Speaker 1: Lichtensteiger at center. Uh oh, their line is not good.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to argue that it is. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean Chester right guard. Um. The Virginia kid they drafted
Speaker 1: last year was yep, um, Moses Moses. Thank you? Yeah,
Speaker 1: who do they have done as right tackle for them?
Speaker 1: But right tackle? Art you're looking at I'm looking at
Speaker 1: right Yeah it's Moses, Okay. More and then remember Tom Compton? Yeah, Tom,
Speaker 1: remember the Columbia. Yeah, they were playing. They were playing
Speaker 1: with a bunch of just bad guys to picks in
Speaker 1: right now? Is for the Redskins. I just very interesting.
Speaker 1: Just as much as I love and he was a visit,
Speaker 1: as much as I love Williams Man, I just that
Speaker 1: offensive line was bad. You know you know something. No,
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm looking at too. I'm looking at their
Speaker 1: offensive line. Dave. Now, you're you're right. Nothing you are
Speaker 1: saying is wrong. It's my job to a guy. It's
Speaker 1: just the Leonard. It's just what do you always say,
Speaker 1: don't you take? Don't you want best player available? Over
Speaker 1: going for a need just because he needed he visited.
Speaker 1: But they might not think that way. They might think
Speaker 1: about how they had what is their biggest investment? Who
Speaker 1: is their biggest investment? Robert R. G three better find
Speaker 1: a way to keep his butt upright. Yeah, you're not wrong.
Speaker 1: Jordan Harper tweets in get ready for the runner to
Speaker 1: go at six? Girlie to the jet. Now, that would
Speaker 1: be stunning, That would be stunning, would be stunning. I
Speaker 1: just I again, seeing the Redskins played twice a year,
Speaker 1: it just it makes sense to me. Does it makes sense? No,
Speaker 1: you're absolutely it makes sense. It also tells you why
Speaker 1: they were trying to trade out of this spot. But
Speaker 1: they are picking right now. Twitter. Twitter has tipped it,
Speaker 1: and it is schurf not to ruin the sustain draft.
Speaker 1: The Washington Redskins select Brandon Schriff tackle whatever you say,
Speaker 1: hats I had it in my mos. I'm okay. Clearly
Speaker 1: the Redskins were tuned into Dallas Cowboys dot com and
Speaker 1: he did the advice of Briants Bran. Let me tell
Speaker 1: you what though, I just told you the biggest investment
Speaker 1: they had was that quarterback. They're also they're only tied
Speaker 1: to him for two more seasons. They I mean, you
Speaker 1: don't know if he's your line, tell me what they
Speaker 1: listed him as. If you could up there they're gonna
Speaker 1: show maybe we can pull it up on the internet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wonder if they're going to listen to as a
Speaker 1: tackle or a guard. I have he's listed as a tackle.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter when NFL network says, yeah I think
Speaker 1: or they might list him as a sprinter and you
Speaker 1: have a seven o seven cone drill or something ridiculous
Speaker 1: like that as one of the better ones. Can we
Speaker 1: can we in the Cowboys organization? Can we take this
Speaker 1: as an opportunity to pat us on the back? Is this?
Speaker 1: Is this an example of NFL teams playing copycat, trying
Speaker 1: to go get a dominant guard like Zach Martin. Well,
Speaker 1: I think that Tom kaugh would set it after one
Speaker 1: of they did games, he said, hey, we need to
Speaker 1: be more like the Dallas cowp Yeah, we need to
Speaker 1: find a way to run the football, protect a football
Speaker 1: and be like that Zach Martin. That's what and that's
Speaker 1: my point. Yeah, what he did last year. Who knows
Speaker 1: if they might play him right tackle. It's possible. Yeah, definitely,
Speaker 1: it's possible they might play me tackle. Take a look
Speaker 1: at him at many camp and see what he and
Speaker 1: he played left tackle the last three years, did pay
Speaker 1: three starts as a left guard his first year at IOWA.
Speaker 1: All I've heard all spring is that Leonard Williams is
Speaker 1: the truth. I just can't believe it. Of course, Zach
Speaker 1: Martin played left tackle at Notre Dame. If you're the
Speaker 1: Chicago Bears, even though they drafted two defensive tackles last year,
Speaker 1: I would be trying and get the hell up there
Speaker 1: and get that guy. All right, So you think Todd
Speaker 1: Bowles is happy New York on the clock right now?
Speaker 1: Todd Bowles, former Cowboys assistant coach. That's three four defense
Speaker 1: though too again right, and they don't you look at
Speaker 1: their needs? Uh? Is Leonard Williams a no brainer here?
Speaker 1: Or could they go in a different direction? And you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Atlanta moved to three four, So
Speaker 1: now you're talking about we heard they were trying to
Speaker 1: trade Wilkerson earlier today. Defensive end, they have Wilkerson and
Speaker 1: Sheldon richardson right now? Is their ends. Those are two
Speaker 1: above average starters in the league. But so it doesn't
Speaker 1: sound like a team that needs Leonard Williams. But Muhammad
Speaker 1: Wilkerson has been rumored as being on the trade bull absolutely,
Speaker 1: So if Leonard Williams is the pick here, I think
Speaker 1: there's a good shot we see Wilkerson delt at some
Speaker 1: point this weekend. Yeah, Alfred Morris tweets I am a
Speaker 1: happy camper, which should be absolutely And with Sheriff, we
Speaker 1: talk about the threshold for arm length being probably about
Speaker 1: thirty three in arms to play tackle. He had almost
Speaker 1: thirty three and a half, so he can play out there,
Speaker 1: but I don't think you feel comfortable about it. He's
Speaker 1: a much better guard. You want him inside less space
Speaker 1: to cover, and you want him playing to his strength,
Speaker 1: and that's as a run blocker, a guy that can
Speaker 1: get to the second level, eliminate bodies and just be
Speaker 1: a bad guy beat up guys. Really good point that
Speaker 1: I kind of forgot about there, and the excitement of
Speaker 1: the pick is who's the offensive line coach with the
Speaker 1: rest Callahan. Yeah, so that's interesting. Interesting if you look
Speaker 1: at the Jets, the needs or talk about as the quarterback,
Speaker 1: the outside linebacker rusher too early for Bud Duprie or
Speaker 1: maybe Vic Beasley or Vic Beasley, I think bud dupri
Speaker 1: is uh definitely in the mix here. Running back would
Speaker 1: be another one as well, so we've talked about that
Speaker 1: is what is the potential Todd Gurley at six, any
Speaker 1: thoughts on that coming off at ACL who do the
Speaker 1: Jets have Ivory? And they have do they still have Ivory?
Speaker 1: Let's see, I just looked at the job, so let's
Speaker 1: look at the Jets. Uh looks like to me running
Speaker 1: backs Ivory and Ridley Powell would be another one too.
Speaker 1: I have bud Dupris to the Jets here in my
Speaker 1: mock draft. But again Leonard Williams was not available. So
Speaker 1: they visited Vic Beasley, that was one bud Dupre and
Speaker 1: visited them as well. So two guys, uh as, let's
Speaker 1: see if they did anything with the runner at all
Speaker 1: with Grey. They did not visit Gurley. You go back
Speaker 1: to Mike mccagnan, the first year general manager. You look
Speaker 1: back to from Houston, and look what they did to Houston.
Speaker 1: They invested in pass rushers, they invested in I mean,
Speaker 1: they could go in any direction here because you look
Speaker 1: at Leonard Williams, you look at a bud Dupre, even
Speaker 1: a Kevin White as a possibility. In Houston, they drafted
Speaker 1: you know, DeAndre Hopkins in the first round. Um, you
Speaker 1: know mccagnan was there when they drafted Andre Johnson, so
Speaker 1: I can't rule out wide receiver here. Leonard Williams, bud dupre.
Speaker 1: I think that's that's where we're looking and what they've
Speaker 1: done with their defense and free agency. Of course they
Speaker 1: have signed Durrell Rivas as well as Antonio Cromarty from
Speaker 1: the Cardinals. They've taken a lot of time here. It
Speaker 1: might be trying to field some calls. You know, they're
Speaker 1: they're pretty deep into the clock, right, There's got to
Speaker 1: be a pretty good a lot of interest in Leonard
Speaker 1: Williams absolutely. I mean, I think Mike mcagnet is trying
Speaker 1: to see if in fact something can happen. Let's see, uh,
Speaker 1: and then it gets there. We're looking live into the
Speaker 1: Jets war room, which is bad for you guys here.
Speaker 1: When you get when you get down to sixty seconds,
Speaker 1: that means you're talking to people, right, you're trying. You're trying,
Speaker 1: you're trying to shop the pick, and then it gets
Speaker 1: down in it. If you don't have the satisfactory trade potential,
Speaker 1: then the GM will say hand the card in and
Speaker 1: then you go, is there a cut off? I mean,
Speaker 1: what second mark do you have to be like, hey,
Speaker 1: put the phone down. I think we we one time
Speaker 1: got yelled at by the league for doing a trade,
Speaker 1: the Roy Williams trade, the Roy Williams the safety trade.
Speaker 1: We got a little close with Kansas City and Minnesota.
Speaker 1: That's one of those things that Chris Hall said, hey,
Speaker 1: did he may turn in that trade next to you know,
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones is diving on the table, hitting the hitting
Speaker 1: the speaker phone there on the table to get the trade.
Speaker 1: And then the league callback said, don't ever do that again.
Speaker 1: So was it? That was it? That? It was pretty?
Speaker 1: It was pretty Yeah, it was pretty conversation. We've got
Speaker 1: the Jets followed by Chicago, Atlanta and the New York
Speaker 1: Football Giants are picking at number nine, Jets at number six. Okay,
Speaker 1: where would you play Leonard Williams again? If you uh,
Speaker 1: if if in fact that he went, now, this is
Speaker 1: our best player and the three four defense. You think
Speaker 1: about how Todd Bowles used Darnell Dockett in Arizona. That's
Speaker 1: what I looking at. That's a great example right there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but again looking at the Jets roster, they have Sheldon Richardson,
Speaker 1: they have Muhammad Wilkerson. Of course, Bowls didn't even have
Speaker 1: docket this last year's right, um, and they we've had
Speaker 1: one of the best defenses in the league, Tommy Kelly
Speaker 1: in that role. Could it be that the player is
Speaker 1: just the best player on the board. I mean, like
Speaker 1: we've talked about it. It's just okay, we'll take this
Speaker 1: player and find a spot for him. You're not gonna
Speaker 1: feel bad about drafting Leonard Williams. I think you would
Speaker 1: find a spot for Leonard Williams if you had the opportunity.
Speaker 1: I remember, the other thing interesting about the Jets is
Speaker 1: they have a need for a quarterback. Yes, And as
Speaker 1: we get to the Cowboys pick at twenty seven later
Speaker 1: in the round, the Jets in the second round pick
Speaker 1: at number thirty seven, and they if they are interested
Speaker 1: in a Bred Huntley or the pick, they will do
Speaker 1: the math for you. Give me the he's got the chart.
Speaker 1: We're ready to roll on if they I I'm I've
Speaker 1: gone on the record as saying I don't think the
Speaker 1: Cowboys pick tonight, So anything along those lines. So you're
Speaker 1: saying it's gonna get down to twenty seven and we're
Speaker 1: gonna be talking about somebody else's pick. Probably, I just
Speaker 1: I just have a feeling. So what the Jets pick
Speaker 1: at thirty seventy seven, I'll pick that as five spots
Speaker 1: five hundred thirty thinks they'd give up their four at
Speaker 1: one oh four would match it. The Cowboys pick at
Speaker 1: twenty seven is worth six hundred and eight points, So
Speaker 1: you're talking about a difference of one hundred and fifty points.
Speaker 1: So the Jets would need you need to make up
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty points whether they're one oh four
Speaker 1: pick in the fourth round eighty six and still still
Speaker 1: a little light, still a little light. What's their third round?
Speaker 1: Their third round pick is worth two hundred and forty
Speaker 1: seven and we're talking about which is slip it? Something
Speaker 1: we talked about before we came on the airs. Maybe
Speaker 1: you could flip and exchange third round picks. So but
Speaker 1: you don't you give the Jets your or your fourth
Speaker 1: round picks? Excuse me, You give the Jets your pick
Speaker 1: at the back end of the fourth and move up
Speaker 1: into the early fourth maybe something like is that worth?
Speaker 1: It doesn't really sound like going down ten spots here's
Speaker 1: the commission. Doesn't really sound like it when you put
Speaker 1: it on paper. Good New York Jets slacked Leonard william
Speaker 1: Here we go. Ye there is great hair it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but no, this does create some questions about Mohammed Wilkerson.
Speaker 1: Is he on the block? What are they plan to
Speaker 1: do with with Leonard Williams. You can't pass on the
Speaker 1: best player available in my opinion, here from Mike mccagnen
Speaker 1: for Todd Bowls for this for the new regime there
Speaker 1: with the Jets, it's a home run. Yeah. I think
Speaker 1: you said it too about how to use the player
Speaker 1: with Dockett. You know, I think when you do these
Speaker 1: types of things, you have to have a vision for
Speaker 1: the player, and I think that's what Mike mccagnan and
Speaker 1: Todd Bowles, you know, they have that and that's good.
Speaker 1: And then Mike and I go way back to the
Speaker 1: NFL Europe days. He was general manager young man at
Speaker 1: the London Monarchs that won a championship in nineteen ninety.
Speaker 1: So I'm really proud of him. He's got his first
Speaker 1: general manager's job in the league. But Leonard Williams to
Speaker 1: me is a no brainer as it is because of
Speaker 1: the talent of the talent. Now you talked about the
Speaker 1: scheme fits and things like that, You know, how that
Speaker 1: how that can all play out. We'll see And Leonard
Speaker 1: Williams six five, three hundred two pounds sub five flat
Speaker 1: forty four nine seven and uh, just just following the
Speaker 1: college football season, I remember on Saturday nights see in
Speaker 1: twitters from college football fans. So yeah, Leonard Williams is
Speaker 1: the best football player in America. Maybe the most interesting
Speaker 1: number when it comes to Leonard Williams twenty. It's his age.
Speaker 1: He doesn't turn twenty one until the summer, so June twentieth.
Speaker 1: A player that he just love the upside. You love
Speaker 1: not only who he is right now, but what he
Speaker 1: will continue to grow into the player he'll be for
Speaker 1: you down the road. And Chicago is on the clock
Speaker 1: the number seven pick. Just to review, Winston went to
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay, Mariota to Tennessee, Dante Fowler to Jacksonville, Cooper
Speaker 1: to Oakland, Shurf to Washington, Williams to the Jets. We've
Speaker 1: had no trade so far. Do you expect a lot
Speaker 1: of trades as we go along? Though, that's interesting that
Speaker 1: we haven't had one. I'm kind of disappointed right now,
Speaker 1: if I'm being honest, just in terms of the entertainment
Speaker 1: value of the first round and see that that always happens.
Speaker 1: Though all we all talk big about up and down
Speaker 1: the board, and maybe you'll have some some at the
Speaker 1: back end if some of these offensive lineman get down
Speaker 1: to a certain point somebody says, hey, I got to
Speaker 1: dive back in. But overall, teams just pretty much this
Speaker 1: is our board. We're gonna pick our board and then
Speaker 1: go from there. So yeah, don't ruin my fun. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to ruin your fun at all. And
Speaker 1: you know, but I am saying though that to me
Speaker 1: and the Bears very quickly. And the Bears one of
Speaker 1: their needs, one of their needs was wide receiver Kevin White.
Speaker 1: Yea quarterbacks. Yeah, so this this looks like to me, Yeah,
Speaker 1: this has got Kevin White. I've written all over it.
Speaker 1: Not the TCU cornerback Kevin White, this would be the
Speaker 1: West Virginia wide receiver Kevin White. Yeah. They've talked about again,
Speaker 1: that's another team that we had the you know we
Speaker 1: got to see last year live, you know, and now
Speaker 1: they lose what Brandon Marshall's gone now and so you
Speaker 1: could lose Brandon Marshall in three months later replace him
Speaker 1: with Kevin White. Al Shan Jeffrey and Kevin White is
Speaker 1: not a bad duo, although they are apparently looking at
Speaker 1: shopping and Marty b the former Cowboys. So yeah, that
Speaker 1: is fascinating. Too early to take Wayne's here though, the
Speaker 1: corner from Michigan State, that was something a little bit
Speaker 1: of an issue that they had. Yeah, I mean he
Speaker 1: took a corner last year in the first round with
Speaker 1: Kyle Foolery. You could double up and go corner again,
Speaker 1: but not with Brandon Marshall no longer in town. Alshon
Speaker 1: Jeffrey is your your top receiver? Eddie Royal is there too,
Speaker 1: he is, and with with Kevin White, it just comes
Speaker 1: down to again you're talking about best player available and
Speaker 1: a player that really instantly helps your offense. Yeah, helps,
Speaker 1: Jay Cutler, did you see a players a lot of help?
Speaker 1: Did you see a player though, that played with that
Speaker 1: type of speed Kevin White? No, No, I think everyone
Speaker 1: was Florida by that four three five that he ran
Speaker 1: at the combine. No one expected that. But he wasn't
Speaker 1: slow on film, but he didn't run a fourth three
Speaker 1: did But did you feel like did he separated like
Speaker 1: the other I mean, was he like you know, the
Speaker 1: Coopers the Parkers guys like that. You know that he
Speaker 1: wasn't a consistent separator, but he was so good at
Speaker 1: catching the ball, even when guys are draped all over him.
Speaker 1: When the ball's up in the air. I have the
Speaker 1: utmost confidence exactly exactly I mean, I I like to play.
Speaker 1: I just didn't see a guy that I was. You
Speaker 1: know when when I went in before the combine and
Speaker 1: watching him play, I didn't see a guy that played
Speaker 1: that fast. I did see quarterback issues. They did a
Speaker 1: ton of them, a ton of them. That that quarterback
Speaker 1: lace trick trick. It was awful. Let's just go I'll
Speaker 1: say that. And so there's times when you they talk
Speaker 1: about the other Kevin White the TCU game. He had
Speaker 1: a good game, But then you look at trick and
Speaker 1: I remember the game, the balls all over the place,
Speaker 1: White White got open. The other one point that they
Speaker 1: weren't even throwing the ball at the end of the game.
Speaker 1: They were running the ball against tc How did these
Speaker 1: two of Cooper and White compared to Evans, Watkins, Beckham.
Speaker 1: That's something I'm sure we'll be talking about the next
Speaker 1: few months. I feel bad for these guys because those
Speaker 1: three set the standard for what a rookie. Ro Sandri
Speaker 1: did a nice job too, coming in there the third round. Yeah,
Speaker 1: or don't have to be the LSU Homer right now.
Speaker 1: I love being LS homer or a rookie receiver. He
Speaker 1: had a great season, had a great season with four receivers.
Speaker 1: Rookie receivers over a thousand yards last year. Usually wide
Speaker 1: receivers is the toughest position transition the NFL. It usually
Speaker 1: takes the longest time. With last year, we got spoiled
Speaker 1: with those that rookie class. Yeah, and you had Brandon
Speaker 1: Cooks got hurt, got hurt, right or else he'd be
Speaker 1: in that mix all right here, Roger, where's the seven?
Speaker 1: I think? Yeah, NFL Draft, the Chicago Bears select Kevin White.
Speaker 1: Here we go. They're happy about it in Chicago that
Speaker 1: we've been right on with our picks as we've gone
Speaker 1: along here. Well, it's I think it's gonna be. It's
Speaker 1: to me. The Williams won through us. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that's the Williams went through us. But when you start
Speaker 1: talking about, you know, these teams, I can get through you, Brian,
Speaker 1: I think the rest of us had littered. Oh I
Speaker 1: yah know you guys haven't did the Raiders though, you
Speaker 1: guys have no not Originally I'm saying, as we went
Speaker 1: along here, once the picks started coming off, I think
Speaker 1: you made it. You made a great point about Amari Cooper.
Speaker 1: You just couldn't rule it out there for for Oakland
Speaker 1: helping the quarterback. Yeah, I thought that all along right right,
Speaker 1: And Atlanta is on the clock. Now we're gonna see
Speaker 1: edge rusher here, maybe Bud, Bud and Vic those are
Speaker 1: just like those are pass rushers. You can't rule out
Speaker 1: the running back here. I like better as a pass rusher,
Speaker 1: Vic Beasley or Bud Dupree tast rusher from the right.
Speaker 1: It depends how they're used, because Beasley is I mean,
Speaker 1: he's explosive when he's in space. So if you're gonna
Speaker 1: use him in space, you know, let him run circles
Speaker 1: around blockers. He can do that. Um, So, depending on
Speaker 1: how they're used, I would lean Beasley there, I would too. Brian,
Speaker 1: our dear friend of the show, John Nelson, wants us
Speaker 1: to do the Draft show live Draft from London next year.
Speaker 1: What do you think what it's two o'clock in the
Speaker 1: morning over there. The folks over there to listen, God
Speaker 1: bless you. They impressed me. Were talking the planet. We
Speaker 1: were talking about them. Matter of fact. Dave's like, because
Speaker 1: all the like, all the all the London fans were
Speaker 1: all the Bridge fans were all up and they were
Speaker 1: they were firing questions. They're not just up, they're like
Speaker 1: you think that they're gms, Like they're so in tune
Speaker 1: and so passionate about the draft and hello to them all. Yeahs. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: What's the time difference right now? It's a sixth hour
Speaker 1: or maybe is it seven from the Central time zone.
Speaker 1: I'm sure John Neilson will let us know be a Twitter.
Speaker 1: It's one or two o'clock in the morning, which I
Speaker 1: go to bed. Guys, the pixel the Cowboys on the
Speaker 1: Cowboys don't go on the clock for another two or
Speaker 1: three hours. By the way, the first round last year
Speaker 1: was three hours and forty minutes. So and Cam Cam
Speaker 1: Cam in Sydney, Australia is telling us it's eleven am
Speaker 1: over there. So yeah, man, that's eight pm approaching eight o'clock.
Speaker 1: So we got Cowboys fans in Hong Kong as well,
Speaker 1: apparently Hong Kong, Sydney, London. I know there's a fan
Speaker 1: somewhere out there in Denmark, which is insane to me.
Speaker 1: Wait to go, guys, y'all Germany. We had a call
Speaker 1: once from Germany, we did and he it was um
Speaker 1: who did he want to know about? It was? It
Speaker 1: was Lankford, Jeremy Lamford, who's like not even a big name,
Speaker 1: just like a run of the mill running back. John says.
Speaker 1: It's one fifty five in the morning in London. God
Speaker 1: bless you. Kudos cool everybody out there for hanging out.
Speaker 1: Was again if you're tuning in for I know a
Speaker 1: lot of folks on our Twitter page the draft show.
Speaker 1: We do not have control of the war room cam,
Speaker 1: the Dallas cat when when they when they unveil the cam,
Speaker 1: Kent Garrison and a crew in there will get you
Speaker 1: on board with what's going on. Right now we're looking
Speaker 1: at it. There's still a gray cover over the top
Speaker 1: of it. Kind of surprising to be honest. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're not missing much other than Jerry, Stephen and Garrett
Speaker 1: kind of like some small talking and smiling at each other.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it is surprising that we're into the meat
Speaker 1: of this first round and they haven't taken this sheet
Speaker 1: off the screen yet. Yeah, so as soon as that happens,
Speaker 1: we will get to it. That's not something we're doing.
Speaker 1: It's not something to do with the feed. That's the dalla.
Speaker 1: We can see. It's a piece of paper sitting over
Speaker 1: the screen right exactly. But that's that's the whole thing.
Speaker 1: So all right, what the Falcons have done in free agency,
Speaker 1: They've signed Adrian Clayborne from Tampa Bay. O'Brien Schofield came
Speaker 1: with the new head coach of the Falcons, Dan Quinn
Speaker 1: from Seattle, Brooks Read from Houston, and of course Justin Durant,
Speaker 1: the linebacker from the Cowboys, got a three year, ten
Speaker 1: point eight million dollar deal. They've done on offense, they
Speaker 1: signed Leonard Hankerson and that's the only one of note
Speaker 1: couple of tight ends Jacob Tammy and Tony Milwyaukee. I
Speaker 1: think damn near every Cowboy free agent that left this
Speaker 1: past year went to a team that's on the twenty
Speaker 1: fifteen schedule. Yeah, not that it really matters. Feel out
Speaker 1: of hugging up before the it I mean not you know,
Speaker 1: it's just a tid, but it's not really doesn't mean anything,
Speaker 1: but it is interesting. They're all gonna wind up back
Speaker 1: here one way or another, you know, and and again
Speaker 1: we talk about the Falcons and you could go a
Speaker 1: couple of different ways here, but we the offensive line
Speaker 1: was but the pass rusher though, really, I mean we
Speaker 1: you know Vick Beasley. You're just your thoughts about Vick
Speaker 1: Beasley as well. And I know we've talked about bud Dyupree,
Speaker 1: but just your thoughts about Vic Beasley. Extremely productive at Clemson,
Speaker 1: a player that he is a little light in the pants.
Speaker 1: So he was. He was a running back when he
Speaker 1: first started, then he moved to tight end, then they
Speaker 1: moved him over to defense, where he was a pass rusher.
Speaker 1: Thirty three sacks over his career, fifty two and a
Speaker 1: half tackles for loss. You do you do worry about
Speaker 1: the length a little bit, only thirty two and a
Speaker 1: half inch arms, But he blew up the combine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean what he did with four five three forty
Speaker 1: thirty five bitch rap, which was surprised. Surprised well, and
Speaker 1: even even the two forty six his weight. I talked
Speaker 1: to a scout who visited Clemson in the fall, and
Speaker 1: he told me he was a two twenty so two
Speaker 1: forty six. In February and you wondered, Okay, two forty six,
Speaker 1: that's a great number. But Kenny sustained the speed, the
Speaker 1: explosiveness at that number, and the numbers say that he
Speaker 1: can forty one inch vertical ten ten broad jump six
Speaker 1: nine one three cone. So the numbers are standing and
Speaker 1: they match what you see on tape. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: do worry about the point of attack strength. He can
Speaker 1: be washed out of the play at times in the
Speaker 1: run game by by blockers. So not a player that
Speaker 1: is not a power player. But again, he can run.
Speaker 1: He can run circles around blockers. He has that type
Speaker 1: of athleticism. And so with in dan Quinn's defense in Atlanta,
Speaker 1: I like to fit there. Okay, but tell me from
Speaker 1: a scouting standpoint what this says to you about both
Speaker 1: these players. Because we talked about the Beasley combined numbers
Speaker 1: forty one vertical ten ten broad jump, those other numbers,
Speaker 1: Alvin bud Dupree forty two vertical eleven six broad jump
Speaker 1: ran a four to five six at two hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty seven pounds as opposed to two forty six. I
Speaker 1: think bud dupre to me, is more of a left
Speaker 1: defensive end. If you want to play. They played the
Speaker 1: right side at Kentucky. Yeah, well, he played a lot
Speaker 1: on the strong side. I mean he went back and
Speaker 1: he was really an outside linebacker and some of his
Speaker 1: best work was actually standing up rush. In the past weeks,
Speaker 1: we're Beasley to me is a screamer off the edge,
Speaker 1: hand down. You talk about ice cream flavors, you know
Speaker 1: these passes. These are two good pass rushers, different flavors.
Speaker 1: They offer different things, So it depends on how you
Speaker 1: want to use them. And I think for what Atlanta
Speaker 1: wants to do, Beasley better fits what dan Quinn wants
Speaker 1: to do one. Yeah, exactly. You talk about dan Quinn
Speaker 1: in Seattle. You deal with all that edge pressure, hand
Speaker 1: down guys coming off the edge. Vic Beasley to me
Speaker 1: makes a lot more sense than say Bud dupre who
Speaker 1: I do like Bud Dupree just in that same area,
Speaker 1: though maybe a little bit better than Vic Beasley, because
Speaker 1: I thought he could play the left side. You know,
Speaker 1: you're right. I saw Beasley get washed some of these games.
Speaker 1: It's a great example of how much this whole process
Speaker 1: changes from January to May. Because Bud was probably the
Speaker 1: first guy, one of the first guys at least who
Speaker 1: really kind of a lot of links to the Cowboys
Speaker 1: came out like maybe he falls as far he fits
Speaker 1: the need here, and now we're talking about him maybe
Speaker 1: being a top ten pick, and certainly, you know it
Speaker 1: would be a monumental upset if he's even in the
Speaker 1: Cowboys range. Here's the commissioner with the eighth pick in
Speaker 1: the twenty fifteenth NFL drafts. The Atlanta Falcons select Vic Beasley. There,
Speaker 1: Vic Beasley, and I agree, I think he was the
Speaker 1: perfect fit for them. Yeah, that's a that's a team
Speaker 1: though again you know they just did not they were
Speaker 1: where they were worse than the league last year in sacks.
Speaker 1: So you know, Vic Beasley, the weight of Georgia is
Speaker 1: now on his back. It's funny. Here's a Clemson man,
Speaker 1: hopefully come to say the Atlanta Falcons playing about a
Speaker 1: two and a half hour drive, and that's what that
Speaker 1: would be less. But again, you're talking about a team
Speaker 1: that really really struggled to rush the passer last year.
Speaker 1: Vick Beasley will give him all right. So the New
Speaker 1: York Football Giants are on the clock the number nine
Speaker 1: pick in the first round. So last night I was
Speaker 1: throwing some darts to see what we see, what will
Speaker 1: come up with these picks? You were chumming some water. Yeah,
Speaker 1: six right, so far, I'll take that. Not bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, Leonard Williams did not see that coming. Do
Speaker 1: not see that coming? But what he did. I am
Speaker 1: happy with six for eight so far. Well and the
Speaker 1: miss two yeah exactly. Well, that's I'll tell you what though.
Speaker 1: The Giants, I think they have to feel a little
Speaker 1: disappointed that. Sure if this is not on the board
Speaker 1: right there, you know, it's a team that can could
Speaker 1: surely you have who do you have the Giants taken?
Speaker 1: I had them taken Amari Cooper, so obviously that will
Speaker 1: I will not be seven for nine. But but a
Speaker 1: lot of people had Shurff going to the Giants, right
Speaker 1: and so we talked about this earlier with Coughlin. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he said it himself, being a little upset that Shriff's
Speaker 1: off the board here. So I think we still go
Speaker 1: offensive line here at nine. I don't know if they
Speaker 1: would go offensive line because I don't see you know,
Speaker 1: could they go Flower? I mean, who's your Okay, Collins
Speaker 1: might have been their pick. Yeah, that's saying you've got pew.
Speaker 1: I mean you just take want to kick him in
Speaker 1: the guard though, right, I mean they need they need
Speaker 1: tackle help is really what's that's yeah, is trying. They're
Speaker 1: They're a lot like the Washington Redskins last year when
Speaker 1: you watched him play. Remember what a train wreck that was.
Speaker 1: There's I think there's a very real correlation between what
Speaker 1: the Giants are right now and what the Cowboys were
Speaker 1: three or four years ago. I mean, you know you
Speaker 1: can win with your quarterback. Uh, it's a matter of
Speaker 1: him not having a whole lot around him. So I
Speaker 1: mean you go get him Beckham a New York I
Speaker 1: think if it is offensive line, who would it be here, Pete.
Speaker 1: I tell you what, I would not be surprised they
Speaker 1: take flowers. Yeah, I mean, hey, and you know you
Speaker 1: watch him play. He is a maller brawler, and that's
Speaker 1: how the Giants play. They play with that maller brawler
Speaker 1: style of offense. Tom Coughlin wants to not pretty, but
Speaker 1: you play him. I think they can play left tackle though.
Speaker 1: I mean to me, I'm just I'm just kind of
Speaker 1: reading some notes here. Likely to move Richburk back to
Speaker 1: Richberk back to center, look to add a guard, d
Speaker 1: go back, go over to the side. Then they want
Speaker 1: to move a pew back to guard. So maybe maybe
Speaker 1: you'll play the right tackle. Yeah, so they may. They
Speaker 1: could treat it like the Cowboys did with Tyren Smith,
Speaker 1: had the rookie played the right side, with the idea
Speaker 1: that he'd moved to the left side once he learned
Speaker 1: the NFL. With Flowers, could have he used another year
Speaker 1: at Miami. Yes, he could have used some more seasoning.
Speaker 1: But you have a player that you have a lot
Speaker 1: to work with. You do see some stiffness, you do
Speaker 1: do see some flaws, but he is a tough sob.
Speaker 1: I mean he is a finisher. I mean once he
Speaker 1: gets his hands on you and he plays on his feet.
Speaker 1: But I think guy, and you know the reps. What
Speaker 1: was the reps on him? Was he was? He a
Speaker 1: thirty rep guy? Really surprising about I thought of talking
Speaker 1: about Flowers, Flowers Flow Flowers was thirty seven. See that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. This is a this is not really related.
Speaker 1: But with the number of dudes that you is about
Speaker 1: to put in the league this year, you think they
Speaker 1: they were bad team six and seven bad a good
Speaker 1: team where where we're all these just blew me away.
Speaker 1: I looked this up earlier. Assuming Flowers is the pick
Speaker 1: here or in the next few picks, it'll be the
Speaker 1: first time a Miami Hurricane is drafted top twenty since
Speaker 1: two thousand and five. For a marquee program like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, you go a decade without there's still top
Speaker 1: three a number of players in the NFL, and to say,
Speaker 1: I mean if they haven't run the run they had
Speaker 1: in the nine eighties, nineties and then early two thousands. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that Flowers, by the way, he was a starter his
Speaker 1: last two years at left tackle. He started twelve games
Speaker 1: at right tackle his first year. Yeah. You speaking of
Speaker 1: free agents playing the Cowboys, Dwayne Harris now in New
Speaker 1: York Giants, it's just so much, there's so much to
Speaker 1: do with this offensive line and it gets suriff going off.
Speaker 1: I think that hurt the Giant. I'm willing to bet
Speaker 1: that they've got They've got an offensive lineman, but I
Speaker 1: don't have a guard. I don't have somebody. But if
Speaker 1: you can move Pew to guard, does that help? I mean, well,
Speaker 1: pu helps a guard. Now I need a tackle. Well
Speaker 1: that's for this, it's Flowers. But I guess I'm saying
Speaker 1: is there's not another offensive tackle. I mean, that's and
Speaker 1: here we go. It looks like the Commissioner head into
Speaker 1: the Flowers, maybe Pete. I mean, it's gonna be an
Speaker 1: offensive tackle. If I had to guess, I think good flowers,
Speaker 1: better feet. NFL draft the New York Giants select Eric
Speaker 1: Flowers Miami. You don't even need to be watching the Commissioner.
Speaker 1: You can just hear it right here. Big Brian brought
Speaker 1: it down. Eric Flowers out of Miami is a New
Speaker 1: York Giant. I mean, and you know I'm not I
Speaker 1: don't watch anywhere near as much tape as you do,
Speaker 1: so I'm not trying. I'm not saying this guy's can't miss.
Speaker 1: But if he does what you think he's gonna do,
Speaker 1: I mean, you took him in the top ten, so
Speaker 1: you think he's a Day one starter who's gonna be
Speaker 1: good if he does that. I mean, we've talked about
Speaker 1: this in the office before just shooting the breeze. I
Speaker 1: think the Giants are like, they're looking like they're taking
Speaker 1: a step up in my opinion. I mean, you always
Speaker 1: I don't think you count the Giants out if you,
Speaker 1: I mean, what are they I mean, they got the
Speaker 1: quarterback they had. They Oh yeah, we think they have
Speaker 1: a quarterback. We know Eli Manning can win. I know
Speaker 1: a lot of Cowboys fans don't want to hear it.
Speaker 1: He can. Yeah, if you fix your offensive line, give
Speaker 1: him some time to throw. You got a decent running back,
Speaker 1: you got the rookie of the year, and Victor Cruz
Speaker 1: out wide. Uh you know I yeah, like you said,
Speaker 1: I'm not counting the Giants out. I don't think you
Speaker 1: can afford to do that. My favorite, uh tidbit with
Speaker 1: with Eric Flowers, the only player in this draft who
Speaker 1: didn't hire an agent, decided you know what these uh,
Speaker 1: these picks are already slotted. You know, I don't need
Speaker 1: an agent right now. I have a great point negotiating
Speaker 1: going on. Negotiation process is non existent. I'll hire a
Speaker 1: lawyer to help with the contract stuff, but I don't
Speaker 1: need to be giving ten percent of my contract. Andre
Speaker 1: Johnson did the same thing. Another guy out. Can I
Speaker 1: ask a question here, and who would you liked better?
Speaker 1: Flowers or Humphrey from Florida? See that's what or the
Speaker 1: Giants are in general? Of the two, Well, you like
Speaker 1: Pete the best? Pete would be your guy. All right.
Speaker 1: So there are some people who've had Pete listed as
Speaker 1: they're like one of their top five players in the draft. Okay,
Speaker 1: but saying okay, now, if you're Saint Louis and I'm
Speaker 1: going with them now on the clock, this is a team.
Speaker 1: When you talk about needs tackle, center, guard, you know,
Speaker 1: we receiver, defensive tackle. I mean again, there's a team
Speaker 1: that we saw live last year that it was kind
Speaker 1: of a just a patchwork group of offensive linemen. Is
Speaker 1: this when we start seeing a little bit of the run? Uh? Maybe?
Speaker 1: You know, I hope not for the cowboys sake, because
Speaker 1: I want those guys sitting there for teams to want
Speaker 1: to come get. Yeah, it is all right, this is
Speaker 1: this too early for DJ for Humphreys from from from Florida. No,
Speaker 1: because you would take Pete, well I would, yes, But
Speaker 1: we're gonna see these offensive linemen go quickly because in
Speaker 1: a draft like this where we don't have those no
Speaker 1: brain er elite guys at the top, there's gonna be
Speaker 1: a lot of similar players. You know, the guy you
Speaker 1: get at ten is gonna be very similar to the
Speaker 1: guy you get at twenty five. And and and so if
Speaker 1: if Humphries goes here, or if he goes into twenties,
Speaker 1: it's not really big of a jump talent wise, so
Speaker 1: would not shock me at off. We see humph humphries
Speaker 1: this early. We got a fan here who is from Hungary.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, three am local time. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: If you're well, if you're listening to us from a
Speaker 1: cool place, tweet at me and I'll shout you out
Speaker 1: and like I'm talking not uh you know Dallas somewhere,
Speaker 1: you know, give me, give me something impressive. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: that's pretty cool. If you're watching the draft show from Hungary. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I got real quick bill to answer twenty question. Uh,
Speaker 1: cowboy five man. He's asked any feeling that the Rams
Speaker 1: would trade out of this position. That's what I was
Speaker 1: gonna say. We haven't seen a draft or we haven't
Speaker 1: seen a trade yet. It's it's time we start talking
Speaker 1: about trades and what's gonna happen here. Tess a big
Speaker 1: mover now. Absolutely, he's done in the past and he'll
Speaker 1: do it again if if the right deal comes around.
Speaker 1: Who could Yeah? Who behind him with someone looking for
Speaker 1: Todd Gurley? Yeah, Miami who Oh, it's not too early
Speaker 1: for Todd Gurley and Parker still out there. We'll see
Speaker 1: if you worried about if you worried about can they
Speaker 1: just leave Todd Gurley alone? See if Miami would be
Speaker 1: the one team that would probably take Gurley at fourteen. Okay,
Speaker 1: picks already end, So we'll see what that. But yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe we're not gonna get any trades. At some point.
Speaker 1: We'll have a trade at some point. The first let's
Speaker 1: ask you this though, could and I'm looking at their
Speaker 1: team needs could they take a runner? I mean Saint Louis.
Speaker 1: We talked about Mason you think he was not bad
Speaker 1: to quote he was a second round pick. Second? But
Speaker 1: how about how about a Bell Cow guy? I mean,
Speaker 1: is that would that be pom mean you talk about
Speaker 1: Mason Reynolds Cunningham where it was a guy that was mentioned.
Speaker 1: I'd be interested to hear with Kurt Wonders saying right now,
Speaker 1: I bet he knows what's going on, guy. But yeah,
Speaker 1: you know this is a team though, Could could this
Speaker 1: be the could this be the We don't you know,
Speaker 1: we're looking at a position like the offensive line, but
Speaker 1: they're really not very good at running back or they're
Speaker 1: not good at another I mean, there's a scrap to
Speaker 1: so many wide receivers in the past. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: There's a certain point I think for every team where
Speaker 1: you feel like a talent like Todd Gurley is worth it.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter who else is on your roster, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what your depth chart looks like. There is
Speaker 1: a point for every single team where you know what,
Speaker 1: Todd Gurley looks awfully tempting right here in front of
Speaker 1: the Rams. Would Todd Curley be the best player on
Speaker 1: your board right now? One? Oh yeah, absolutely so you
Speaker 1: would have no problem taking Todd Gurley right now. Well,
Speaker 1: but if you're the Rams, you look at what they've
Speaker 1: invested in the in the position before with Trey Mason
Speaker 1: last year. But it's Tray Mason anything. I mean, he
Speaker 1: got better, he got better down the stretch. I mean
Speaker 1: he's not He's hell. Here's the other thing is, since
Speaker 1: they have Trey Mason, they have some other backs. If
Speaker 1: Girley's not ready at the start of the season, a
Speaker 1: little good point. And that's the other thing I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not betting against him. I'm not betting against him
Speaker 1: at all. I think I think he's gonna be ready. Remember,
Speaker 1: that once upon a time they had Stephen Jackson in
Speaker 1: Saint Louis for years and years of bell coal back.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, Todd Gurley, he he Julius Jones. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: gurly changes your offense. I mean he brings a different identity.
Speaker 1: He makes defensive coordinators really really game plan for what
Speaker 1: you're going to do. Let's Steed is an SEC guy
Speaker 1: by the way, too went to school at all, that's
Speaker 1: very and he took and he took, he took Robinson
Speaker 1: last year. The tackle, by the way, is still penciled
Speaker 1: in as the left tackle there. Yeah, and checked a
Speaker 1: guard down the road. Or let's see it, glaring needed
Speaker 1: right tackle, need a starter overall depth at position, had
Speaker 1: visited all the top tackles. Yeah, so Barndale Washington listed
Speaker 1: as their right tackle. Marksdale is at starting tackle last year.
Speaker 1: He has not been resigned. I say they're somewhere Nick
Speaker 1: Foles is, he's wondering, am I gonna get a blocker here?
Speaker 1: Am I gonna? Am I gonna get a runner here?
Speaker 1: If he has any consultation with Sam Bradford, he will say,
Speaker 1: give me an offensive life. I just wouldn't be surprised
Speaker 1: if if less Sneed and Jeff Fisher just go off
Speaker 1: the reservation here, I really, I mean I did what
Speaker 1: constitute's going off the reservation. We don't have him taking
Speaker 1: a runner, Yeah, I mean we don't have him. But
Speaker 1: let's need. An SEC guy will say this. It'd be
Speaker 1: the first while in the draft that happens. But you
Speaker 1: like the player, no question, Ready just didn't predict us fit.
Speaker 1: We're the tenth pick in the twenty fifteen NFL Draft,
Speaker 1: the Saint Louis Ram select Todd Gurley, running back Georgia.
Speaker 1: To look at that smile, less Sneed is an SEC guy,
Speaker 1: and you said he was one of your best players
Speaker 1: on the board. And Less Sneed's Auburn team is the face.
Speaker 1: I mean they hurt the defense that knocked him out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the reason he won't be on the field to start
Speaker 1: the season. Probably. We had a lot of conversation about
Speaker 1: the Cowboys and running backs and draft. How much did
Speaker 1: you have Todd Gurley over the Melvin Gordon's Steven It
Speaker 1: was it was tier Tierra alone by himself. Right, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go. I'm gonna say Leonard Williams, Dante Feller, Todd
Speaker 1: Gurley my top three players on my on my card
Speaker 1: to argue, yeah, that was my second guessing from a
Speaker 1: Cowboys perspective, there's no way that the Cowboys been trade
Speaker 1: from twenty seven to ten. But can we just have
Speaker 1: a moment and think about what could have been with
Speaker 1: Todd Gurley? It would have been fun. Let it go,
Speaker 1: It would have been fun and that song let it Go.
Speaker 1: But say, that's what I'm saying though to me, when
Speaker 1: you start thinking about less Snee, the wild the wild card,
Speaker 1: it's just who is the best player? And yeah, it
Speaker 1: goes back to what I was saying about. At some
Speaker 1: point for every team, Todd Gurley's worth it, and you
Speaker 1: know he's He's just he's the best talent. It doesn't
Speaker 1: matter who else is on your roster. At some point
Speaker 1: you feel comfortable making that pick it. Man, that's a
Speaker 1: pretty that's in my backfield. Yeah, the NFC West and
Speaker 1: hey against better you better have the bat against Yeah,
Speaker 1: you better have a bat with Minnesota on the clock now,
Speaker 1: So this is the highest running back has gone since
Speaker 1: Trent Richardson? Is that right? Overall? So? Well, that beat
Speaker 1: that puts let's see who goes on the clock and
Speaker 1: Todd Gurleys Nope, but we didn't think Trent Richardson was
Speaker 1: in Trent Richardson's right, Trey Wayne's Yeah, this one, to
Speaker 1: me is a nopera, never going with a cornerback. He's
Speaker 1: gonna let me ask you this. That's kind of about
Speaker 1: in the one Bridgewater is sitting there lobbying for DeVante.
Speaker 1: This is this is where where I think we well, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: but I think it's what about Dupre though? What about
Speaker 1: him with Anthony Barr? Yeah, yeah, Hey, that's great for me.
Speaker 1: Keep keep the cornerbacks on the board. I don't want
Speaker 1: people taking cornerbacks because I want the Cowboys to take
Speaker 1: a defensive end, corner, wide receiver, top three needs for
Speaker 1: the Vikings. There you go. I mean how much clout
Speaker 1: does Teddy Bridgewater have Do you think he could pull
Speaker 1: that off? Like Tony Romo could walk in there and
Speaker 1: be like pray in the day. If they don't trade
Speaker 1: that runner, he's praying right now, that's done, right, We're
Speaker 1: not If you're the Vikings, He's still gonna make calls.
Speaker 1: Todd Gurley just went off the board. The Vikings are
Speaker 1: the one making calls. I think it's the other teams.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what the Rams just took Gurley off
Speaker 1: the board in front of him. Though, if the Vikings
Speaker 1: were interested in saying we'll move, that's a great point.
Speaker 1: Maybe there, maybe they would not take Melvin Gordon, not
Speaker 1: at a maybe you trade back, trade back. I think
Speaker 1: that you got to consider Bud Dupree here. I mean
Speaker 1: or Waynes or Waynes. I've had Waynes all along. But
Speaker 1: again the defense again, zimmer pressure, give me those guys.
Speaker 1: And they have signed Michael Wallace and free agency and
Speaker 1: Terence Newman. He's about forty five years old, but that's
Speaker 1: Zach Stacy's still with the Rams too. He's not bad player, yeah,
Speaker 1: he is still let He's not a cowboy, I know.
Speaker 1: By the way, Still we're still showing us because they
Speaker 1: all sec running. They have not uncovered the war rooms,
Speaker 1: so if you're tuning in for that, it's still all
Speaker 1: of our mugs on the show right now, trying to
Speaker 1: get you through this. But looking at the war room,
Speaker 1: can they still have the tarp down on it? And
Speaker 1: as soon as it uslip paper bran, that's not a tarpon,
Speaker 1: as he gets as soon as he gets lifted, then
Speaker 1: we will go directly in the real notebook paper over
Speaker 1: it real quick, and I'll leave it alone. I don't
Speaker 1: want to dominate it. But since I said what I
Speaker 1: said about people listening in weird places, Yeah, shouts out
Speaker 1: to the Netherlands, Sweden, Madrid leads, London, Australia. We got
Speaker 1: a Bangkok Thailand, Bangkok Thailand and everybody in the US.
Speaker 1: I've gotten Honolulu, I've gotten Wisconsin, I've gotten San Diego.
Speaker 1: You guys are awesome. Way to go all along though,
Speaker 1: sorry to interrupt you, Bill, let's pick his in. But
Speaker 1: Wayne's all along though. We've felt like it's going to
Speaker 1: be a corner here. I mean that's been I'd say
Speaker 1: the two that are I mean you hear Waynes to
Speaker 1: Minnesota and you hear Danny Shelton to Cleveland, which is
Speaker 1: back to back right here, and I'd feel like those
Speaker 1: picks have very every time you look at their depth
Speaker 1: chart and Terrence Newman is penciled in it, Yeah, every
Speaker 1: every time you look at every time you've looked at
Speaker 1: a depth chart that somebody at CBS has done. You know,
Speaker 1: we didn't do any of the big depth chart excuse me,
Speaker 1: uh mock drafts, but every time it was Waynes, everybody
Speaker 1: had Waynes going at this spot, right, and the Vikings
Speaker 1: I've shown a lot of interest in Waynes. They worked
Speaker 1: him out there at his pro day. I mean they
Speaker 1: they've really done a lot of work on here. Just
Speaker 1: to give you a little bit of ideal, let me
Speaker 1: look at some of the other corners. Jalen Collins was
Speaker 1: a guy that they visited. Uh, let's see who else.
Speaker 1: Waynes was a guy they visited coming up the board. Uh,
Speaker 1: Marcus Peters was a potential first round guy that they
Speaker 1: visited as well. It's something else to consider playing in Minnesota.
Speaker 1: You have to be able to play in cold weather. Okay,
Speaker 1: and especially now, well one more years, one more year.
Speaker 1: But did you go to Green Bay? You go to
Speaker 1: Chicago exactly that division. But he understands it's here. He
Speaker 1: grew up in Wisconsin. That's a good point. Went to
Speaker 1: Michigan State. He's a big ten player. He knows it
Speaker 1: was like the playing that the mistake we made in
Speaker 1: Green Bay with Terrell Buckley a long time ago in
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two, with Troy Vincent on the board, we
Speaker 1: took a player that wasn't used to playing in cold
Speaker 1: weather at Florida State. Yeah, but don't don't take any
Speaker 1: kids out of the EU if you're in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but this this seems like to me. Initially we said
Speaker 1: it was it was waynes I mean, yeah, that's really
Speaker 1: been the makes sense. It's it's uh talking about one
Speaker 1: of the best players available at that point, all things
Speaker 1: point today. Describe the player. You're tall, lanky, a little
Speaker 1: a little leaner than you want, but he uses his length. Well,
Speaker 1: he's tough, he'll hit you at the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1: He loves the jam um and he's he's strong too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's fast. He knows he's fast too because he'll leave
Speaker 1: a little bit of a cushion because he knows he
Speaker 1: can make it up. Or you see him at the
Speaker 1: combine at forty, well you could. He was fly. We
Speaker 1: watched it in the in the in the in the
Speaker 1: in the our office there and the commissioners going to
Speaker 1: the podium. Now, but yeah, that easy. That was the
Speaker 1: eleventh pick in the twenty fifteen NFL drafts, the Minnesota
Speaker 1: Vikings select Trey Wayne. Yeah, there we go back on track. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Trey Wayne's out of Michigan State, six foot one hundred
Speaker 1: eighty six pounder, is a Minnesota Viking, the team with
Speaker 1: Xavier Rhodes their other Quium Shocked that we have not
Speaker 1: seen a trade yet. Shocked Cleveland is up Cleveland with
Speaker 1: two picks here, twelve and nineteen coming up. Hey, Brian,
Speaker 1: you've been there before, and you think the Miami Dolphins
Speaker 1: are just pissed off right now? I would have thrown
Speaker 1: my pin by now. Yeah, yeah, I think so. I
Speaker 1: would have thrown my pin. Yeah, and I think that
Speaker 1: to me though, there's still some outstanding players on the board. Oh,
Speaker 1: of course you got it, But but you're in the
Speaker 1: middle of the board. You're a little bit at the
Speaker 1: guy that you really were probably set on just got
Speaker 1: taken out from under you, right, So yeah, I think
Speaker 1: you have to be a little bit of a little
Speaker 1: upset by that. But you know, hey, you know, you
Speaker 1: just take the next guy there and go and go
Speaker 1: that route. For those who are unable to watch on
Speaker 1: television as they listen on line, let me recap what's
Speaker 1: happened so far as we are through eleven picks. Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay took Jamis Winston quarterback Florida State, Tennessee, Marcus Mariota
Speaker 1: quarterback Oregon Jacksonville at number three, took Dante Fowler number four.
Speaker 1: Oakland took him Ari Cooper, the wide receiver from Alabama.
Speaker 1: Brandon Shurf, tackle or guard from Iowa, went to Washington. Five.
Speaker 1: Leonard Williams number six to the Jets, the defensive tackle
Speaker 1: out of USC He can play anywhere along the defensive line.
Speaker 1: Kevin White, wide receiver, West Virginia to Chicago at seven,
Speaker 1: Atlanta at eight, pick Vic Beasley from Clemson Giants at nine,
Speaker 1: Eric Flowers the tackle from Miami. Tide Gurley running back
Speaker 1: Georgia to Saint Louis and Minnesota. Trey Waynes out of
Speaker 1: Michigan State to cornerback. Now it's Cleveland. Great point though
Speaker 1: about Waynes and being a Midwest kid and bring in
Speaker 1: those conditions and knowing how to play outdoors. I think
Speaker 1: that really is a great point about speaking of Midwest.
Speaker 1: Browns are up, Cleveland. You're an Ohio guy, this is
Speaker 1: your this is your team. And disappointment the last corn
Speaker 1: Ye fortunately a couple of years. Well I'm just talking
Speaker 1: about the last year's draft. Not really fruitful like when
Speaker 1: you have two twenty eight years I've been on this earth. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: and we know they need defense. Dy Dave was talking
Speaker 1: about Danny Shelton here. I mean there's two Would you
Speaker 1: see Danny Shelton at the Senior Bowl, remember, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: he was one of the stars of the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was one of the big names going
Speaker 1: in there. It's just it's funny because I mean there's
Speaker 1: been there's two lines of logic, and it's either that
Speaker 1: Cleveland does something crazy to go get Marcus Mariota, which
Speaker 1: they have not done, or they take Danny Shelton at twelve.
Speaker 1: I mean, those are the two. If you're the Browns,
Speaker 1: you're sitting here at Vante Parker still on the board,
Speaker 1: you have a chance to get a potential. Don't have Fever,
Speaker 1: don't have Josh Gordon, Dwayne Bows not enough for me
Speaker 1: to pass on a receiver. But Danny Shelton, he's that
Speaker 1: two gapping nose tackle, perfect fit for Mike Petton's defense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't see him pass. You get a guy like
Speaker 1: that like to me, like kre and the Vince Wilfork.
Speaker 1: This guy controls the middle exactly. I mean he you
Speaker 1: watch him, and that's down the line. He's not this
Speaker 1: big slug. He plays sideline to sidelines. He could blow
Speaker 1: up the field. And this is I mean, this is
Speaker 1: a Rex Ryan disciple. I have a hard time to leave.
Speaker 1: And they're not going to take Shelton. Yeah, I think Shelton.
Speaker 1: I would not I would not say. I don't think
Speaker 1: the fact that they got to pick seven picks later. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you could. You could have a little You
Speaker 1: could get your boy jail and strong. You could get good,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean you could get a weapon. But
Speaker 1: you gotta do something in the middle of this defense though, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know. And the worst run defense in the league
Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen. Correct, Oh, yeah, it was bad. It
Speaker 1: was bad. Levion Bell running all over that front seven,
Speaker 1: no brainer in that division two. Yeah, oh, you gotta play.
Speaker 1: I mean you gotta play Bell, you gotta play Hill
Speaker 1: and been Bernard, you gotta play playing in bad weather.
Speaker 1: But you can't rule up Bud Dupre as well. I
Speaker 1: think that's another name they've looked at. They need a
Speaker 1: pass rusher. Mingo hasn't exactly been that pass rush they've
Speaker 1: been looking for. So those three names DeVante Parker, Budd Depre,
Speaker 1: Danny Shelton. But again we keep going back to Danny Shelton.
Speaker 1: That nose tackle. Um, we talk about some nose tackles
Speaker 1: that have been taken early in the past, guys like
Speaker 1: dj Raji, Vince will Folk. I think, you know, Shelton's
Speaker 1: more along the lines of more athletic. I think for
Speaker 1: a big man with the measurables, Bill, do you the
Speaker 1: forty time throw it out? I don't care. I don't
Speaker 1: care what the forty times I've seen him make plays
Speaker 1: outside outside the hashes. But I know he can push
Speaker 1: the pocket. I know he can hold up. He was
Speaker 1: a three down player for the Huskies. He played, he
Speaker 1: never came off the field. No, you're right about that.
Speaker 1: They were the last team in the rush defense in
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen. From a scouting standpoint, I've heard some people,
Speaker 1: I think Pat Kerwin and talks about the explosion number,
Speaker 1: which is you combine the bench reps with the vertical
Speaker 1: with the broad and if you have an over a
Speaker 1: seventy total of those those numbers there, then you typically
Speaker 1: win at the line a scrimmage. That's way Kerwin puts it. Anyway,
Speaker 1: thirty four bench reps plus a thirty and a half
Speaker 1: vertical plus a seven eleven broad up equals seventy one
Speaker 1: and so he wins at the line of scrimmage. Danny Shelton. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it just makes too much sense for a team that
Speaker 1: needs Again they talk about talk about outside linebacker, rushers,
Speaker 1: interior defensive line, offensive line, as well as the three
Speaker 1: needs for the Browns. I dogged on the U earlier.
Speaker 1: Washington got studs all over your defense. Where's the where
Speaker 1: the results? I mean, you got Shelton Pete watching offensive
Speaker 1: they kick Peters off the team for I guess that's yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you watch the offensive tape and then play? I
Speaker 1: don't believe I did. That's why nobody and that's why Jake,
Speaker 1: you know, play if it's funny though. In the Pac
Speaker 1: twelve though, really nobody plays defense. I'm sorry if I'm
Speaker 1: throwing somebody out in just always a lot of us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it seemed like to me that that a lot
Speaker 1: of times those spread offenses that can neutralize talent on
Speaker 1: a defense. Yeah. Absolutely, yeah. I again, I just don't
Speaker 1: feel like that that this any any other pick than
Speaker 1: than Shelton. I just don't see. I mean, it could
Speaker 1: be the pre you know, an outside linebacker that that
Speaker 1: is a rush I mean, and that's I feel that's
Speaker 1: why he's been there and like maybe they think the
Speaker 1: prix is gonna be there at nineteen. He put the
Speaker 1: way things slide in the board. Who has This is
Speaker 1: sort of like the where versus Marcus Spears debate from
Speaker 1: two thousand and five, which which player has a better
Speaker 1: chance of being there? In that case, it was where
Speaker 1: win at eleven Spears at twenty. There was some person
Speaker 1: in the room who fought Spears should be the pick
Speaker 1: at eleven, and later he's sitting right now, remember who
Speaker 1: that person? Yeah, Bill Parcels picks there, guys, there's a
Speaker 1: team down in my hometown that can pick. In the
Speaker 1: two thousand NFL Draft, the Cleveland Brown select Danny Shelton. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there you go. I just it just made too much sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah it did. I'll tell you what, I don't think
Speaker 1: I've ever had a better start in my mock draft.
Speaker 1: You're so proud about the mock draft. I am, and
Speaker 1: I don't care. I really don't care. Eight of twelve.
Speaker 1: I'll take Forbes Magazine said they need to follow you
Speaker 1: on Twitter. Right, this is how he makes oh, Forbes
Speaker 1: Magazine twenty three best Twitter followers. During the inter this
Speaker 1: is how. This is how the man makes his money
Speaker 1: to Oh he's so proud, gonay he goes, Oh my
Speaker 1: my life, get in now. And Forbes magazine said, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm quitting now, I'm done. This is my last draft.
Speaker 1: There's another one on top. There's another list you really
Speaker 1: want to be on from Forbes though exactly, I always
Speaker 1: thought I wanted j j. Yeah. If I put ten
Speaker 1: months into putting this big thing together, I'd be pretty
Speaker 1: proud of myself. No, we're happy to have you here.
Speaker 1: Dane Brugler, CBS Sports and the Draft Show. Brian brought
Speaker 1: us David Hellman. I'm Bill Jones, and we are now
Speaker 1: to pick number thirteen, the New Orleans Saints. You want
Speaker 1: talked to in the first Well, hometown boy, let's get it.
Speaker 1: What do you got? I mean, Grant, I spend all
Speaker 1: my time covering the Cowboys. Yeah, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: sit here and pretend like I'm an expert about the Saints,
Speaker 1: but I know they need they need an edge rusher,
Speaker 1: and we were just talking about one who's sitting there.
Speaker 1: You know, honestly, I thought Lall Collins to the Saints
Speaker 1: was a really good bet until all of that unfortunateness
Speaker 1: came up in his way. I don't think that's a word.
Speaker 1: I was not. That's something that I would say. Uh
Speaker 1: so when you take that, I mean they like I
Speaker 1: might use it later on. They need oline, they need
Speaker 1: a pass rusher. They could use a weapon for Drew
Speaker 1: Brees to play with now that Jimmy Graham is gone
Speaker 1: and they also traded away Kenny still. Yes, yes, and
Speaker 1: they have a lot of picks to address all that with.
Speaker 1: They got two in this round, they got two in
Speaker 1: the third, so they I think they pick five times
Speaker 1: in the first eighty picks, which is not and so
Speaker 1: we know they're taking Bryce Petty at thirty one. So
Speaker 1: if it's a defense here, is that where we're looking
Speaker 1: any chance at a DeVante Parker offense? Do you think
Speaker 1: strictly defense? I think it could be. I think it
Speaker 1: could be. There's a big there's a big, heavy defensive
Speaker 1: core in there that's fighting for a rusher. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm outside. You got Drew Brees. I think he can.
Speaker 1: I mean he can make it work. He won a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl with Deverie Henderson, Robert Meetcham, and Jeremy Shockey.
Speaker 1: Quick question though off our off at the Draft show page.
Speaker 1: Sarah wants to do you think that Gordon is now
Speaker 1: going to go sooner because of Girly being picked so high.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think it really changes anything. I
Speaker 1: think there's a handful of teams that want a running
Speaker 1: back in the first round, and I mean we're I
Speaker 1: think you know you're Miami is a spot, San Diego
Speaker 1: is a spot. We always thought those were spots where
Speaker 1: running backs could go. And then you talk Arizona and
Speaker 1: Detroit in the twenties. So I don't think it really
Speaker 1: another one. Yeah, I don't think anybody's gonna change their
Speaker 1: game plan based on win Girley win, because I think
Speaker 1: everybody assumed Girley was gonna go all right. Back in
Speaker 1: that room, the draft room, which we cannot look into
Speaker 1: right now, deal guys, Gordon the guy, if there was
Speaker 1: a running back that they would consider in the first
Speaker 1: round as Gordon together, Yeah, I think so too. I mean,
Speaker 1: are we getting to a point in time where we
Speaker 1: we throughout some ideas on the Draft show about would
Speaker 1: you be willing to go up? And maybe maybe some
Speaker 1: people maybe going up might not be yeh, but maybe
Speaker 1: going up might not be as expensive Now maybe there's
Speaker 1: a few more guys that are starting to fall down
Speaker 1: the board that teams are saying. You know what, I'm
Speaker 1: willing to go back a little bit. How high are
Speaker 1: you willing to go? Well, I don't know. I think
Speaker 1: he's got it in order for me to even start
Speaker 1: thinking about a trade. I think he's got a fall
Speaker 1: past San Diego at seventeen. Yeah, which is not I
Speaker 1: don't think it's out of the realm of possibility. The Saints,
Speaker 1: when we talked about them, let's focus on pick is
Speaker 1: in for whatever. Okay, Well, what about though, on the
Speaker 1: offensive side of the ball. They need a lineman the
Speaker 1: tackle end, don't I mean? I think they need a guard.
Speaker 1: They let go of Ben Grubs, they sent him, they
Speaker 1: traded him to Kansas City. Yeah, free agency, can you
Speaker 1: pass on a talent like which? Great? I mean? And
Speaker 1: there's Parker. I don't think a tackle would be bad either.
Speaker 1: They got Zach Streef, who's getting up there. He's getting
Speaker 1: along in the tooth uh Toron Armstead as their left tackle.
Speaker 1: I think guard would death of me. Need they talked
Speaker 1: about that's I thought. Outside Russia, we talked about the
Speaker 1: talk about receiver, talked about tight end as well. I
Speaker 1: don't think they. I think they like the guys they
Speaker 1: have on the roster at tight end, honestly, I mean
Speaker 1: not enough that they're gonna draft Max Williams. Could they
Speaker 1: could they? Could they wow you with something that Again,
Speaker 1: this is to me Sean Payton's kind of a little
Speaker 1: bit of a loose. He loves those guys stuff. He
Speaker 1: likes to take guys that nobody's ever heard of. That's
Speaker 1: his favor, not take somebody. But I mean because we're
Speaker 1: in the first round though, but you mentioned offensive tackle,
Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise me. Keep in mind in the first round
Speaker 1: last year they took a wide receiver in Brandon Crook. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean they have Cooks Colston Man. You miss him
Speaker 1: watching that tape? Well, he smokes. I just but you
Speaker 1: pre seems very much a pick here. It wouldn't, but
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be surprised if something wild happened them, really
Speaker 1: would I mean? And by the way, what they have
Speaker 1: an outside linebacker in New Orleans is Anthony Spencer. Yes,
Speaker 1: and moving back to him, I would say Budd Dupree
Speaker 1: is a pick here. I'm not counting on Anthony Spencer
Speaker 1: to be much of anything. I'm just saying, this is
Speaker 1: a time when we start talking about Randy Gregory being
Speaker 1: a possibility. We knew he was going to probably fall
Speaker 1: at that top ten good point, but now we get
Speaker 1: to the middle part of the first round, Randy Gregory
Speaker 1: starts to maybe be worth it. And so I've never
Speaker 1: met him out, I've never met Rob Ryan, but he
Speaker 1: doesn't strike me as the type to care about Shane Ray,
Speaker 1: about Ray horse of a different color? What do we do?
Speaker 1: We think probably the twenties is where we feel like
Speaker 1: Ray is going to be. Where do you possibility? Where
Speaker 1: do you feel best about Ray? Four three or three
Speaker 1: four four three? Yeah? To me, he's an end. That's
Speaker 1: kind of what I think too. I don't really see
Speaker 1: him for the same Gregory you see standing up being
Speaker 1: a loose fluid to playing space where where Ray hit
Speaker 1: his best asset first step getting up the field. Not
Speaker 1: someone necessarily you want in space, doesn't have that change
Speaker 1: of direction that you want. So how does Gregory compare
Speaker 1: to Vic Beasley? Bigger, longer, Um, maybe I see more.
Speaker 1: I don't think he wins the corner as much. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have that you get off necessarily, But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean Gregory is he's he has a lot of
Speaker 1: what Beasley has athletically, just in a different body type.
Speaker 1: With Gregory, it comes down to how much weight can
Speaker 1: you put on him? And can he sustain that weight?
Speaker 1: Is it good weight? Is it? Uh, not only bulk
Speaker 1: but muscle functional strength. So those are the questions obviously
Speaker 1: on the field. Now off the field, we have other
Speaker 1: questions with Gregory, A lot of questions. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: going back to dupris um. We thought he a player
Speaker 1: that could go as high as six to the Jets.
Speaker 1: He's still on the board here at thirteen. You know,
Speaker 1: in a three to four dupri left side, I would say, yeah,
Speaker 1: I would say you could probably put him on the
Speaker 1: on the left side and let him go. But but
Speaker 1: you got but you do have Anthon Spencer. Spencer made
Speaker 1: Ye made a Pro Bowl playing as a as a
Speaker 1: left outside a line a strong linebacker here. So I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, I just rob Ryan I think
Speaker 1: carries a big stick. Yeah, but I could also see
Speaker 1: Sean Payton basically saying, you know, Drew Brees. Drew Brees
Speaker 1: has been very vocal about losing offensive player. Am I
Speaker 1: am I correct about that? I'm seeing a lot of
Speaker 1: Twitter chatters, maybe Pete is the pick here. I'm not sure. Thick.
Speaker 1: In the twenty fifteen NFL Draft, did New Orleans Saints
Speaker 1: select Andrews Pete Steel at thirteen? Did you have him
Speaker 1: mocked at the Saints at thirteen? Uh no, No, not
Speaker 1: a chance, not a chance. I did have him top
Speaker 1: ten though, I had him ten to the Rams. Brian
Speaker 1: not a fan, I'm not. I'm not, you know, but
Speaker 1: he was in my top fifty. A second round player
Speaker 1: for you. I had him as a second round player.
Speaker 1: I think the one of those soft Stanford tackles. Well,
Speaker 1: the problem the thing about him outstanding getting away from
Speaker 1: the line. He you you could see the kick to slide,
Speaker 1: the punch, you see that. The run blocking stuff, I
Speaker 1: saw a guy that was heavy legged. Though as far
Speaker 1: as run blocking, I saw a guy that was on
Speaker 1: the ground a lot. I really wasn't you know. The
Speaker 1: sustain there's there's Stanford offensive tackles in linemen that they
Speaker 1: would get in there, they get the hold of the
Speaker 1: guys and they finish. I didn't see a great finisher
Speaker 1: here that that that bothered me. Against some some really
Speaker 1: some good talent in the past in the U in
Speaker 1: the Pac twelve and I just saw but the pass
Speaker 1: blocking stuff when he could kick and get out, and
Speaker 1: he's got that link to hold guys off. But I
Speaker 1: worried about him and the running in being a strong
Speaker 1: point of attack. That's that's interesting though. I mean, you
Speaker 1: just you brought mark Ingram back. He had a Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl year, Drew Brees a lot like Tony Romo. You
Speaker 1: probably figure you got a maximum of three or four
Speaker 1: more years to try to win with him. You lose
Speaker 1: Jimmy Graham. Now you've got a first round tackle and
Speaker 1: you got Max Hunger who was not not bad, not
Speaker 1: bad anchor in that offensive line. So I don't I
Speaker 1: don't have a problem with it. I don't works for me.
Speaker 1: And we're gonna see these tackles. Yeah, you know we
Speaker 1: we We've seen Schurf go five, we saw Flowers go nine,
Speaker 1: and now we see h Pete go thirteen. So I
Speaker 1: had Humphries is a better player in my mind, and
Speaker 1: as Humphries was a second round player on my board
Speaker 1: as well. But I talked about Flowers, Humphrey, a Boohee
Speaker 1: and Pete were my second round offensive With Humphries, he
Speaker 1: might have the best feat in this direct among offensive
Speaker 1: linement with Pete. I see, you know, and they're showing
Speaker 1: some stuff in ANFL network right now that it just
Speaker 1: does not look promising for Pete. Nate Orchard be Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot of bad tape out there
Speaker 1: on Pete. But again, I think you look at what
Speaker 1: he needs to work on. It's fixable. To me. I
Speaker 1: really believe that he has what you can't teach with
Speaker 1: that that balanced, that body control. Um, you have a
Speaker 1: lot to work with their know how, these teams love bloodlines.
Speaker 1: Has dad played in the NFL for a long time?
Speaker 1: You see this play, Well, here's David Shaw's coach is
Speaker 1: on the panel here on the NFL network, And I'm
Speaker 1: sure David's giving you a great insight here we're trying
Speaker 1: to I think Dane's done a nice job. I he
Speaker 1: and I. That's one player and there's several players. If
Speaker 1: you if you're a fan of the Draft show, you
Speaker 1: know that we disagree on players. We've had guys that
Speaker 1: we've gone back and I respect his opinion because what
Speaker 1: he's saying, though, he's right, they're fixable things. But I'd
Speaker 1: just like to see a little bit better finish. I
Speaker 1: would like to not see him on the ground in
Speaker 1: the room, but I did compliment him on the past
Speaker 1: set and getting to that point. And you talked about
Speaker 1: the feet and he's gonna give a lot of time
Speaker 1: to pass set in New Orleans. And obviously Drew Brees
Speaker 1: a little disappointed by what's going on with losing some
Speaker 1: weapons and they got to find a way to protect him. Now,
Speaker 1: he probably got two minutes left before the Dolphins pick. Here,
Speaker 1: he's in a spot also a lot like we talked
Speaker 1: about with the tackle. Here, he's in a spot where
Speaker 1: he doesn't necessarily have to be the man right away,
Speaker 1: which is always I think good for a developing player. Yeah,
Speaker 1: um with uh the Miami Todd Gurley's not there, so
Speaker 1: you kind of miss out on that. But DeVante Parker
Speaker 1: is there and that's uh, that's a terrific This is
Speaker 1: Parker in my opinion. This way you look at the knee, Well,
Speaker 1: they traded for Kenny Stills and they signed Greg Jennings,
Speaker 1: but Jennings, this is this guy. Parker is Dez Bryant.
Speaker 1: When he catches the ball, he's a big man, he
Speaker 1: takes it. Okay, we're like we got movement, we got moving,
Speaker 1: we got moved, we got drafted. After we have war room. Hey, Jerry,
Speaker 1: Hey Stephen, Hey Ad Jason, So as you can see,
Speaker 1: we'll go to it and uh, finally and every time,
Speaker 1: so K Garrison's giving me the thumbs up. It looks
Speaker 1: like we've got an hour and forty minutes into the
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen draft and we have the feed. There you go,
Speaker 1: so all principles. I did not really like people live
Speaker 1: for this thing I've getting been getting blown up on me.
Speaker 1: They think that is more interesting. I know, I don't understand.
Speaker 1: You see the you see my color combo here see
Speaker 1: it now? So that's uh, Charlotte Jones, Anderson to the
Speaker 1: far left on the screen, of course, Jason Garrett, Jerry Jones,
Speaker 1: Steve Jow, Will McClay. They just took a seat. And yeah,
Speaker 1: you also got rich dalrymple in which you're not gonna
Speaker 1: be able to see anything. I didn't know this until recently.
Speaker 1: Um this this room behind them is Chris Hall's off right,
Speaker 1: which he basically is the head of college scouting. As
Speaker 1: you're looking at that's where the the the phone is.
Speaker 1: The back to Robert Blackwell in New York. So uh,
Speaker 1: they will. They will talk to Chris. They will yell
Speaker 1: from the table in through that hallway that where you
Speaker 1: see the window. Chris has his shades drawn right there.
Speaker 1: But they yelled to him and tell him the pick,
Speaker 1: and then he conveys it to Robert Blackwell, who then
Speaker 1: uh turns the card in. So it looks like that
Speaker 1: the uh that the Dolphins do have their picking. We've
Speaker 1: talked about this all along though. We think it's DeVante
Speaker 1: Parker here right. I see a J. Green. I see
Speaker 1: a player that plays above the rim. He can help
Speaker 1: you at all levels of the field. Um he man,
Speaker 1: He's not a J. Green, He's but he's a notch below.
Speaker 1: He's that type of style of receiver. And for the Dolphins,
Speaker 1: you lose Mike Wallace, you lose Brian Hartline, you gain
Speaker 1: Kenny Stills, you gain Greg Jennings, but you still need
Speaker 1: that number one guy, DeVante Parker's it. That is a
Speaker 1: pretty sexy receiver. Corps. If they do, in fact take
Speaker 1: Davante Parker, I mean you got him at the one.
Speaker 1: Stills as your deep threat, Jarvis Landry doing a little
Speaker 1: bit of everything inside and outside. Best hands ever, I
Speaker 1: think they don't have a really great running back. But
Speaker 1: this is my sixth best player on my top fifty.
Speaker 1: I can I just saw Dez Bryan in the open field.
Speaker 1: If if this is the pick, and you know, and
Speaker 1: Tanny Hill hits him on the move, you're gonna see
Speaker 1: a guy that's gonna run, but he's gonna make life miserable.
Speaker 1: He's like the Randy Moss just points up. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean it's yeah, it's like it's just down on
Speaker 1: the field. It's it's running those inside routes, it's running slants,
Speaker 1: it's making tough plays. Kid plays the chip on it.
Speaker 1: And he's a big guy. Six two, you know, I
Speaker 1: mean six six two and a half, Yeah, exactly, ten Yeah,
Speaker 1: thirty three. I think the Dolphins, if they get guys
Speaker 1: in the corner, if this is a pick, if this
Speaker 1: is their pick, though they did, they got somebody that
Speaker 1: will go, that will help their quarterback and scores touchdowns. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he had a touchdown every four point seven catches in
Speaker 1: his career at Louisville. That's an outstanding ratio. It helps
Speaker 1: with Teddy Bridgewater as your quarterback too. Yeah, well what
Speaker 1: about two? And they also brought in Nelson Agyar. Now again,
Speaker 1: I'm just talking about receivers that you know, we've they've
Speaker 1: uh that they've looked at. But we we've been all
Speaker 1: along though. I'm just telling you though, that Agar is
Speaker 1: on a lot of boards. Could be a late one though,
Speaker 1: couldn't he? Dan fourteens? Rich? Yeah, but that's actually rich. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I didn't think they were gonna take a I
Speaker 1: didn't think they would take Pete at thirteen. Yeah. Oh,
Speaker 1: I mean, if we're up to you, Pete would be
Speaker 1: going like thirty times. That's okay, that's all right. But
Speaker 1: Dean Parker though, I just love this guy. That's I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're and I mean the Dolphins are believers in
Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill, Yeah, I mean weapons, load them up. You
Speaker 1: know you need weapons. Yeah, and we get all these players,
Speaker 1: So we're going to see this guy next year. I
Speaker 1: have to go see that. It's a great point. I
Speaker 1: have to go see back to back to back and
Speaker 1: Tannehill and Parker. Yeah, let's go. So Melvin Gordon, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but the highest rated players on my board, I could
Speaker 1: say we're Kevin Johnson, Bud Dupree, Byron john I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: they they're down to this, this has got to be
Speaker 1: they just need a receiver. They need somebody. It looks
Speaker 1: like to me, let's see if the commissioner in fact
Speaker 1: is going to the podium, that's just that draft town
Speaker 1: that that that thing is cool like in uh and
Speaker 1: they said they had seventy nine thousand applicants to get
Speaker 1: in there. Here it goes wow, the commissioner. On the
Speaker 1: fourteenth pick in the twenty fifteen NFL Draft, the Miami
Speaker 1: Dolphins Selectant Parker. Yeah, wide receiver Louisville DeVante Parker out
Speaker 1: of Louisville six three two o nine. I got you, Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know I could say we h Parker's a guy,
Speaker 1: absolutely love him, and then find a way to uh,
Speaker 1: you know, use him. He's gonna help this receiver, help
Speaker 1: this quarterback a ton So yeah, outstanding pick. If you
Speaker 1: take a little break here for a minute or so, Yeah,
Speaker 1: absolutely got good. You know, it looks like San Francisco
Speaker 1: up next, the fifteenth pick, followed by Houston. We are
Speaker 1: still thirteen picks away from the Cowboys at twenty seven. Okay,
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Speaker 1: twenty fifteen NFL Draft on Dallas Cowboys dot com. And
Speaker 1: we are back on the Draft Show here on Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys dot com Bill Jones along with Dane Brugler of
Speaker 1: CBS Sports and the Draft Show. And by the way,
Speaker 1: as you look live at the war room and what's
Speaker 1: going on in there, which is nothing right now, Nick
Speaker 1: Atman of Dallas Cowboys dot Com has joined us. Now, Nick,
Speaker 1: what do you think about the first half of the
Speaker 1: first round so far? It's kind of speeding up a
Speaker 1: little bit. It's uh, I don't wouldn't say there have
Speaker 1: been a lot of surprises, but I think they're starting
Speaker 1: to come now. We have our first surprise really with
Speaker 1: our first trade of the draft. Uh. The San Diego
Speaker 1: Chargers move up two spots, give up a fourth and
Speaker 1: a fifth to get that fifteenth pick with the Niners,
Speaker 1: and we think this has got to be that other
Speaker 1: running back, right, You would think that's kind of surprising
Speaker 1: to me that they I mean, I got a fourth
Speaker 1: and a fifth. Isn't super superstitious. They were worried about
Speaker 1: Houston at sixteen possibly going running back with Arian Foster. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's blue and yeah blue, Hey come on at LSU,
Speaker 1: come on. So Yeah, I mean, he's had injury problems.
Speaker 1: You got, you got a point. So this would be
Speaker 1: from an offensive standpoint. This would be if if Gordon
Speaker 1: does go off the board like you're suggesting, and it
Speaker 1: seems like this would be one of those guys that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys could have traded up for exactly. And you
Speaker 1: know that now with Gurley and Gordon gone, I mean,
Speaker 1: there's probably not going to be a running back that
Speaker 1: they want to take at twenty seven. I don't think
Speaker 1: I think this eliminates their first round running back. Here
Speaker 1: it comes as the commissioner with a Chargers selection Cisco
Speaker 1: forty nine ers have traded the fifteenth pick to the
Speaker 1: San Diego Chargers. With the fifteenth pick in the twenty
Speaker 1: fifteen NFL Draft, the San Diego Chargers select Melvin Gordon,
Speaker 1: running back Wisconsin. So there are two running backs off
Speaker 1: the board. Now Gurley went to Saint Louis at ten
Speaker 1: and now Melvin Gordon to San Diego at fifteen. How
Speaker 1: you feeling about your bold prediction there, Dane, Which one
Speaker 1: the one where you said they'd both be gone by
Speaker 1: twenty Oh? I guess I got one right, all right?
Speaker 1: One for five so far? Brookler has gotten several things
Speaker 1: right so far in this draft. Two drafts where there
Speaker 1: wasn't a running back taken in the first round, and
Speaker 1: now you got them both. So on Dallas Cowboys dot com,
Speaker 1: we have some I mean, in my defense, I mocked
Speaker 1: Melvin Gordon the Cowboys at twenty seven. In my analysis,
Speaker 1: I said, I really don't even think the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: gonna pick tonight, so maybe that can be my saving
Speaker 1: I kind of went the other way. I went the
Speaker 1: other way around. I actually had them taking a guy tomorrow.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if that Shaq Thompson will
Speaker 1: be Oh, that's right. But I also said they could
Speaker 1: trade up for a guy like Gordon or Kevin Jon.
Speaker 1: We were saying before you came on, if they were
Speaker 1: going to do a deal for Gordon, I think it
Speaker 1: would have he would have had to have fallen to
Speaker 1: about at least eighteen or nineteen, and obviously that's not
Speaker 1: the case. I just think that the price is too
Speaker 1: let's clarify to guys, I'm filling in just for a second.
Speaker 1: Brian brought this is doing some other radio's a he's
Speaker 1: a man of many talents. Yeah, and so he will
Speaker 1: be back shortly and giving his analysis. But Dane, from
Speaker 1: just from a running back standpoint, from Melvin Gordon and Gurley,
Speaker 1: how different do you think they are? And from a
Speaker 1: talent level standpoint, I think we all agree that Todd
Speaker 1: Gurley was on a tier by himself in terms of
Speaker 1: running back talent in this class, but Melvin Gordon not
Speaker 1: far behind. And in a draft like this where we
Speaker 1: don't have those elite guys, talents like this are going
Speaker 1: to go high on the board. And so we haven't
Speaker 1: seen that running back two years in a row go
Speaker 1: in the first round. This year we have two in
Speaker 1: the top twenty with Melvin Gordon. Production speaks for itself,
Speaker 1: almost twenty six hundred yards last year. You just see
Speaker 1: it on film, the balance, the acceleration, it's elite. You
Speaker 1: see a little Jamal Charles there. So Todd Gurley an excellent,
Speaker 1: excellent player, but Melvin Gordon a little different, not too
Speaker 1: far off. So the Chargers they lost Ryan Matthews to
Speaker 1: free agency. Now at Philadelphia Eagle Melvin Gore and gets
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers in that offense a little bit of life.
Speaker 1: So now you go to what sixteen and Houston, this
Speaker 1: is all Right's safe to say the Cowboys now will
Speaker 1: not take a running back in the first round. I
Speaker 1: think that's six. I think you can bank that in.
Speaker 1: This has the potential to be a really interesting I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're a Cowboys fan trying to keep an eye
Speaker 1: on the best case scenario for your team, Houston and
Speaker 1: Kevin Johnson have a mighty strong link there. I mean,
Speaker 1: you've been hearing it from a lot of places. We
Speaker 1: talked about it last or yesterday during the draft show
Speaker 1: when we talked about where's Kevin Johnson going to go?
Speaker 1: Sixteen was where I said, I that's the first place
Speaker 1: where I'm worried he's going to come off the board
Speaker 1: of sixteen twenty twenty two. Yeah, absolutely. Now they have
Speaker 1: been mocked at receivers for a long time. The I
Speaker 1: can't say. I mean, he's a guy that's been thrown
Speaker 1: into the mix here. I think it's corner. We have
Speaker 1: to remember too, Bud Dupree. Uh, that's a great place
Speaker 1: on the board. He probably didn't expect him to be here.
Speaker 1: And they lost Rush Read, they lost Brooks Read Whitney.
Speaker 1: Merciless will be a free agent after this year. Trading
Speaker 1: block what a name? So you can't rule out but
Speaker 1: the pre here, but I keep, you know, keep going
Speaker 1: back to Kevin Johnson. Uh, the Texans. They brought back
Speaker 1: Cream Jackson to a four year deal. Jonathan Joseph the
Speaker 1: other corner. He's gonna be thirty two years old next year.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't you hate to be a corner for Houston? You know,
Speaker 1: you just have to cover when when clowney and wide
Speaker 1: or Russian in the pass or that doesn't sound bad,
Speaker 1: that doesn't it's a good spot to get to it.
Speaker 1: On the flip side, you do have Andrew luck in
Speaker 1: your division, but with those pass rushers, yeah, you have
Speaker 1: to abortles. That's very true. That's very true. You could
Speaker 1: either be really happy about Bortles and Mariota are not
Speaker 1: so Happy's pick is in this is and we've spent
Speaker 1: so much time talking and prepping for the possibility of
Speaker 1: getting what you know, quote unquote wiped out, and this
Speaker 1: is where you could start to see it kind of.
Speaker 1: Soho's Kevin Johnson? So give me five or six cowboy,
Speaker 1: five or six names the cowboy we're hoping would get
Speaker 1: to twenty seven that we're reasonable outside of the obvious
Speaker 1: ones that weren't going to get there, Kevin Johnson, that's
Speaker 1: the tough that's the tough part. What's separating reasonable with
Speaker 1: you know what you were hoping for because Kevin Johnson,
Speaker 1: Malcolm Brown, you're but not really reasonably they'd be there
Speaker 1: at twenty seven. Yeah, and you look at the running
Speaker 1: backs you'd love to see it not really reasonable. So
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a tough when you're picking at twenty
Speaker 1: seven solo. So we haven't seen one yet go off
Speaker 1: the board that was reasonably could get to twenty seven.
Speaker 1: I think that's fair to say. I think Kevin Johnson's
Speaker 1: probably that first guy if he comes off the board
Speaker 1: here in the next few picks, whether that's Houston sixteen
Speaker 1: we started at eighteen to that handful that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: had targeted. Who are some other guys you think that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have targeted there? And I guess Gregory would
Speaker 1: be one. Now if we about the pass rushers, Randy Gregory,
Speaker 1: Buddy Preestile on the board, um Bud Dupre. I think
Speaker 1: get to look at Cleveland at nineteen is a possible
Speaker 1: scenario there, Uh the forty nine ers who moved back
Speaker 1: from fifteen to seventeen, they could use another pass rusher.
Speaker 1: So with Budd Dupree, I don't don't think you feel
Speaker 1: good about him lasting to twenty seven. But one of
Speaker 1: those names that maybe didn't expect on the board here
Speaker 1: in the late teens. Where do you have uh Oregan's Armstead?
Speaker 1: Where do you have him in this Eric Armstead? He's
Speaker 1: uh you know you talk about maybe to New Orleans
Speaker 1: at thirteen you thought that was a possibility. Um, I
Speaker 1: like him, Houston. I think I think I think they're
Speaker 1: pretty set there at that position. Yeah. Yeah, but you
Speaker 1: know we've said this before. Oma and Tuck and Kimuka
Speaker 1: and straighthand were pretty set and then a sudden JPP
Speaker 1: was pretty good pass rushers. You know what Parcels used
Speaker 1: to say about tight ends, keep them coming. I've used
Speaker 1: that in my day to day life so much. I
Speaker 1: love it. It's you know, at some point, guys, not
Speaker 1: maybe not right now, but this is what people are seeing.
Speaker 1: I bet you there's a lot of people going, who
Speaker 1: is that guy? Who is he? We were? Yeah, you
Speaker 1: all done this already, not I mean not in a
Speaker 1: great I mean, okay, that's Jason Garrett. If you didn't
Speaker 1: know who the big red guy was that's Jason Garrett.
Speaker 1: Uh the okay, so we got Charlotte Jones Anderson that
Speaker 1: would be Jerry's daughter, and one of the executive vice presidents,
Speaker 1: Steven Jones obviously. Uh. This guy in the back that
Speaker 1: you're looking at, who's nobody's seeing your point? By the way,
Speaker 1: that's a good point reading something. That's a that's rich Dalrymple,
Speaker 1: who is who's the cowboys head of public relations and
Speaker 1: as kind of Jerry's right hand man. Um, one of
Speaker 1: the scouts, Drew Fabit, and we mentioned um, if you
Speaker 1: see a guy he sits in the part of the
Speaker 1: screen that you can't see. But if you see a
Speaker 1: guy with surprisingly long hair, that would be Chris Hall,
Speaker 1: who's the director of college scouting. That's his office behind
Speaker 1: the war room table right there. It's been there like
Speaker 1: twenty five years. Yeah. No. I interviewed him for a
Speaker 1: story earlier this spring. He started the year Emmett Smith
Speaker 1: was drafted, so twenty five years ago he has been
Speaker 1: here for it. Which, by the way, that is the
Speaker 1: draft that get me very interested in researching draft hopefuls.
Speaker 1: And that's what here's the Commissi with houstage pick with
Speaker 1: the sixteenth pick in the twenty fifteen NFL Draft, the
Speaker 1: Houston Texans select Kevin Johnson. The cowboy targets right there.
Speaker 1: I think, Yelda, we we talked about this being a
Speaker 1: possible scenario where Houston has a need at corner. Kevin
Speaker 1: Johnson just a terrific player of first round talent. So
Speaker 1: it's you hate to see it for Dallas, but Houston
Speaker 1: just got a heck and it was in looking at
Speaker 1: most people's big boards coming in the last few days,
Speaker 1: it was not reasonable Kevin Johnson was gonna get to twenty.
Speaker 1: It reminds me a lot of my first draft here
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen, when Chance Warmack and Jonathan Cooper were the
Speaker 1: guys that everybody wanted to bolster that oh line, and
Speaker 1: you know, the closer and closer got to the draft,
Speaker 1: the more you just kind of saw the writing on
Speaker 1: the wall that that's probably not a possibility. Same thing
Speaker 1: with Kevin Johnson. I mean, every mock you looked at
Speaker 1: him had him off the board by twenty or twenty one,
Speaker 1: which again maybe you could trade, but you're asking a
Speaker 1: big price to do that, so you know, not a
Speaker 1: huge surprise. Definitely definitely disappointing for the guys in that
Speaker 1: room right there, if I had to guess um. And
Speaker 1: another thing too, is that you don't think that in
Speaker 1: ten spots or so eleven spots that Byron Jones probably
Speaker 1: won't get get picked either. If that's another guy that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are absolutely he's probably the next corner that
Speaker 1: would go probably, Yeah, you're looking at who's really looking
Speaker 1: at corner here? Philadelphia. That's where Byron Jones makes a
Speaker 1: lot of sense. I mean, shoot, if they if he
Speaker 1: gets past Philly and Pittsburgh, Baltimore needs a corner like nobody.
Speaker 1: And it goes back to what we discussed yesterday during
Speaker 1: the Draft show about trade up options. We traded up
Speaker 1: to twenty one to get Kevin john and I would
Speaker 1: absolutely I would do it. And if if Byron Jones
Speaker 1: gets past twenties and heard that, you know what that's
Speaker 1: hurting We give these things away our fantastic access. That's
Speaker 1: what happened. What do you think San Francisco is gonna do?
Speaker 1: And San Francisco's on the copp now having traded down
Speaker 1: from fifteen to seventeen, Well, we're on Randy Gregory watch
Speaker 1: where a pass rusher is possible. Bud Dupriest still available. Uh,
Speaker 1: keep it to the front seven. Eric Armstead a five
Speaker 1: technique where you know, we talk about the forty nine
Speaker 1: front seven's aging. You're not getting any younger. So Eric
Speaker 1: Armstead has all the talent in the world. Wouldn't they
Speaker 1: You would think they would want a linebacker if there
Speaker 1: was one that fit right here? Right? Yeah, absolutely, is
Speaker 1: there a linebacker? They see the fits. Guys, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: piece out and Brian's coming back here. So it was
Speaker 1: fun to stop by. Probably come back. Sorry, they're gonna
Speaker 1: need that at Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Yeah, Bill Jones,
Speaker 1: Dane Brugler, David Hellman, Brian brought us is headed in here.
Speaker 1: The pick is in for the San Francisco forty nine
Speaker 1: ers here to be followed by Kansas City. And again
Speaker 1: San Francisco traded down from fifteen with San Diego. San
Speaker 1: Diego took Melbourne Gordon at fifteen and Kevin Johnson to
Speaker 1: Houston and now San Francisco. And this is we talked
Speaker 1: about this with Danny Shelton, just kind of being really logical,
Speaker 1: making a lot of sense. Armstead is kind of you
Speaker 1: just hear about that a lot, especially like you mentioned
Speaker 1: with Justin Smith's future kind of being in limbo. Well,
Speaker 1: Jim tom Sula. Uh, he's an old NFL europe old
Speaker 1: NFL Europe guy, great guy by the way. You know,
Speaker 1: he's got a great story. But to me, they need
Speaker 1: defensive lineman. I mean that's something you know when you
Speaker 1: when you talk in Armstead dave like you brought. I
Speaker 1: didn't put him on the Cowboy, but I didn't have
Speaker 1: him my board because I thought he was a four
Speaker 1: three four. He's won, he doesn't. He's scheme specific. He's
Speaker 1: gonna be when those guys, it's gonna play two gap,
Speaker 1: talk about two gap, extend, look inside, look outside, disengage,
Speaker 1: go get the football. Armstead is that type of guy.
Speaker 1: I think he is a perfect fit. In fact, if
Speaker 1: he's uh if if that's if he felled a twenty seven.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't even know if the Cowboys would
Speaker 1: take him, just because I don't think so. You know,
Speaker 1: in San Francisco sitting there, they knew at fifteen that
Speaker 1: Houston was not going to take Armstead at sixteen, so
Speaker 1: it was a very safe trade down for them, and
Speaker 1: they pick up a fourth and a fifth. If indeed
Speaker 1: Armstead is their guy here, And just a note, it's
Speaker 1: the longest we've gone a first round without a trade,
Speaker 1: fourteen picks in um, so that's I don't think anyone
Speaker 1: expected that that that might be. The first while of
Speaker 1: this draft is the fact that we didn't have a
Speaker 1: trade the first fourteen picks, all right. And the other
Speaker 1: big news for San Francisco this offseason, of course, is
Speaker 1: at the linebacker position, with the retirement of Patrick Willis
Speaker 1: as well as Chris Borland, who was a third round
Speaker 1: pick last year and played terrific at the end of
Speaker 1: the year last year, but inside linebacker. In a Eric
Speaker 1: Armstead ye job, Dave, pay attention to the draft I paid.
Speaker 1: I mean you can see that when you start to
Speaker 1: see the same guy mocked by everybody on earth, and
Speaker 1: you can kind of see the writing on the wall.
Speaker 1: So Eric Armstead is a San Francisco forty nine in
Speaker 1: Kansas City is now on the clock at number eighteen,
Speaker 1: ten picks away from the Cowboys. You know what you
Speaker 1: have to think about here, guys is Kevin Johnson. And
Speaker 1: I was over doing radio with one oh five three
Speaker 1: and Dane, thank you for help, because I call that
Speaker 1: I just flat knew you knew you had some good
Speaker 1: intel on that, and I just said, Houston, this is
Speaker 1: Kevin Johnson, and sure enough it worked out great. We're
Speaker 1: starting to see these cornerbacks, so go off the board here.
Speaker 1: We talked about when you were away, we talked about
Speaker 1: how these corners are gonna start coming off the board.
Speaker 1: And our scenario yesterday in the Draft show, when we
Speaker 1: trade it up to twenty one. If Byron Jones starts us,
Speaker 1: is he still on the board there in the twenties?
Speaker 1: Is that's the one you go up and get. How
Speaker 1: do you feel about that? We're kind of we're getting
Speaker 1: into territory where I'm not scared. I'm starting to feel
Speaker 1: confident that maybe they trade. Let me ask you this,
Speaker 1: all right, we've I know there's been a lot of
Speaker 1: talk about cornerbacks. Yeah, you hear Jason Garrett talk about
Speaker 1: the cornerstone of the team is the offensive line, defensive line.
Speaker 1: How much do you think that they really if they
Speaker 1: map out how they work this strategy on this draft,
Speaker 1: they're looking at first go defensive front seven, preferably front
Speaker 1: front four, then second round running back, then third round
Speaker 1: corner because the depth of the cornerback position might be
Speaker 1: greater and the running back position. That's how I mocked
Speaker 1: it myself today. I took Gregory and then I turned
Speaker 1: around and drafted, uh, actually went safety instead, and then
Speaker 1: went safety took. I took the kid from Arizona State. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But see the thing about is I think you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to go get Randall. I think we might hear
Speaker 1: his name today. Yeah, I see, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, you can I put him in
Speaker 1: that round because yeah, you gotta go get this guy.
Speaker 1: But we're starting to see these corners again. And where's
Speaker 1: where does Peters fall in your mind? Here? Is he
Speaker 1: more talented than Jones? And with John Dorsey. I used
Speaker 1: to work with John Dorsey. John John likes those kind
Speaker 1: of those guys and the play a little on the
Speaker 1: edge exactly. And we talk about Marcus Peters being brash
Speaker 1: and cocky. Yeah, that's not the worst thing that the
Speaker 1: qualities to have in a corner, but you have as
Speaker 1: long as you're comfortable with him on the sidelines, off
Speaker 1: the field, being coachable. This is the center from from
Speaker 1: Florida State, right, No, no, the city. Oh yeah, well
Speaker 1: it could be, it could be. It could be urban
Speaker 1: it could that's another I can convert to center that
Speaker 1: Kansas City. To me, that that's secondary. You know, I
Speaker 1: and you did a mock with with Urban yesterday where
Speaker 1: he was there, where Irvan was was and that's not
Speaker 1: that's not bad. But I'm starting to wonder about now
Speaker 1: where does Peters, where does Jones? Because as soon as
Speaker 1: soon as Johnson went, I was like, you know, chat,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're if you're watching the feed here,
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones has got a pencil and he's fiddling with
Speaker 1: some kind of chart here on the table. Well, he's
Speaker 1: talking to Will McClay to his left, Stephen Jones is
Speaker 1: h is right there as well, so uh that they're
Speaker 1: all probably talking about maybe uh maybe he as he
Speaker 1: looks to his as Jerry, as you look at the screeve,
Speaker 1: Jerry looks to his right at a scificat Todd Williams,
Speaker 1: who are in charge of the trade chart or to
Speaker 1: his right, and his personnel's staff is to his left.
Speaker 1: So right now that's kind of maybe if he looks
Speaker 1: to his right, he's talking about to them, Okay, what
Speaker 1: would we have to do trade wise to see how
Speaker 1: that two works out? Maybe number numbers wise to maybe
Speaker 1: go get a guy. All Right, you've got Cleveland picking
Speaker 1: after Kansas City at nineteen, Philly at twenty. They're not
Speaker 1: a trade partner, right, Maybe they're worried about Philadelphia if
Speaker 1: they're gonna maybe this corner. I mean, I think if
Speaker 1: you want to get if you want your pick of
Speaker 1: the letter, so to speak, I think you have to
Speaker 1: get in front of the Eagles. Yeah, that that's maybe.
Speaker 1: And then and then again, Jerry Eagles have a need
Speaker 1: for safety to safety, and that Jones. Maybe Jones could
Speaker 1: be in Dane. Correct me if I'm wrong. Byron Jones
Speaker 1: could be maybe a corner maybe a safety. They signed,
Speaker 1: They signed Maxwell and Thurman as too off sat a swell.
Speaker 1: He's a starter, you know, I don't think he's a
Speaker 1: clear cut starter in this league, but it makes corner
Speaker 1: not an immediate need, but a direction they could go.
Speaker 1: And so I you'll just look at Chip Kelly and
Speaker 1: the homework that he did on some of these cornerback prospects.
Speaker 1: He went to Utah to see Eric Row, he went
Speaker 1: to Yukon to see Byron Jones workout. So I think
Speaker 1: that's you can obviously connect those dots with Kansas City
Speaker 1: here at eighteen we corner you know, they like those
Speaker 1: press guys get up in your face with the line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage, absolutely disrupted the route. Yeah, you know, if
Speaker 1: you look at the market speeders, if you look at
Speaker 1: their needs, they they like what they The Gaines kid
Speaker 1: is somebody they like for the future. Smith will likely
Speaker 1: services suspension and Cooper was replaced as a starter. So
Speaker 1: maybe some question marks about really what's going on there
Speaker 1: at cornerback for the Kansas City Chiefs. So, but I
Speaker 1: like what you're talking about Bill about the center. I'm
Speaker 1: they lost Rodney Hudson, right, interesting point. I mean we're
Speaker 1: getting close to twenty. We've talked. I mean, we mocked
Speaker 1: trading up for a cornerback yesterday. Budd Pre still there.
Speaker 1: Would you trade up for him? We talk about I mean,
Speaker 1: pass rush, pass rush, pass rush. I wonder if I
Speaker 1: wonder if Bud j Pre sits on their board better
Speaker 1: than Gregory, Like, what do you feel first round grade? Yeah,
Speaker 1: first round grade, second round grades. I'm just I'm just
Speaker 1: wondering which, I know, which one you would take. I
Speaker 1: didn't think they value higher. It would just be a
Speaker 1: total guess. Yeah, it really would. I mean, but I
Speaker 1: loved the character. Would put Dupre of a bubble. I
Speaker 1: think Bud you Pre is a left defensive end in
Speaker 1: the scheme would be great. Yeah, I mean I need one. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: but what DeMarcus Lawrence is the left defensive end? Right? Well,
Speaker 1: I mean it's a rotating system. That's why you're a
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm looking long term. Okay, yeah. Are
Speaker 1: you going to continue to rotate a second round pick
Speaker 1: in a first round pick on the left side? I
Speaker 1: think so. I think that's the way that rod They
Speaker 1: do not want the Seattle is the model of taking
Speaker 1: eight seven or eight guys and then rotating them throughout
Speaker 1: to try and play exclusively have to be on the
Speaker 1: left side either they move them around. Right. All right,
Speaker 1: here comes the commissioner with the picker. With the eighteenth
Speaker 1: pick in the twenty fifteen NFL drafts, the Kansas City
Speaker 1: Chiefs select Marcus Peters three, which is I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: he's a great he's a talented player, uh, and he
Speaker 1: fits a need for the Cowboys. But I'm I mean,
Speaker 1: I never never thought that they really had a shout
Speaker 1: of getting there. Not sure they would have taken him
Speaker 1: anyway because of his character concerns. John Dorsey Chris Ballard
Speaker 1: two personnel guys in this league that I trust. My
Speaker 1: trust list among NFL evaluators, guys that do their homework,
Speaker 1: that just they know the game, they know how to scout.
Speaker 1: Those two guys are high on that list, so that
Speaker 1: you know they did the homework. Yeah, I worked with
Speaker 1: John Dorsey. John Dorsey and I in Green Bay together
Speaker 1: for five years, won a Super Bowl together. You're absolutely
Speaker 1: right about traded emails with Chris Ballard last night. I uh,
Speaker 1: and he was about three in the morning and he
Speaker 1: was still up working. Yeah, it's three in the morning.
Speaker 1: He emailed me, said go to bed, and I said,
Speaker 1: I emailed him back and I said, you you first.
Speaker 1: It's just there's these guys live to do this, and
Speaker 1: so I think they've done their Homeworker Marcus Peters are
Speaker 1: comfortable with the player on the field and off the field,
Speaker 1: all right, Brian, I asked this while you are out
Speaker 1: of the room. What handful of players are the Cowboys
Speaker 1: targeting that they would take at twenty seven that's sitting
Speaker 1: there right now. We're talking about Byron Jones as a guy.
Speaker 1: I think they're surprised, right, now, I think they're very
Speaker 1: surprised that that that they that that Budd Dupree is
Speaker 1: still on that board. That's what I'm saying. I think
Speaker 1: they're very I think they're very surprised by that. I
Speaker 1: think that they're very surprised that maybe that DJ Humphreys,
Speaker 1: I want to say, they've probably got an off a
Speaker 1: couple of offensive lineman. I know Dane mocked a Bouet
Speaker 1: to the Cowboys, you know, and Jerry Jones gave you
Speaker 1: a little bit of there's a scenario where you could
Speaker 1: see us taking an offensive lineman. I think they're probably
Speaker 1: surprised by that. With all these linebackers still on the board.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about McKinney, Kendricks, Thompson. You've also got the
Speaker 1: corners are still intact. As far as Byron Jones, they're
Speaker 1: looking at second round corners. I think if that's the case, so,
Speaker 1: and that's the other thing, all these names you're mentioning,
Speaker 1: they're not going to be anywhere near their picket in
Speaker 1: the second round. No, So yeah, if you're sitting there
Speaker 1: with still a handful of guys that you're willing to
Speaker 1: take at twenty seven, then that increases the chances of
Speaker 1: a trade down, because one of those guys would still
Speaker 1: be there if they trade down a few spots. Right,
Speaker 1: Jerry and Stephen Jones are up to something here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're looking again. Jerry keeps looking. Steven is trying to
Speaker 1: explain Steven's trying to keep the picks, and Jerry wants
Speaker 1: to go. I mean, I've seen this look before. Say,
Speaker 1: Cleveland is on the clock right now, and so he's
Speaker 1: trying to figure out a way to get Johnny Manzil
Speaker 1: out see and Garrett looks like Garrett's trying to figure
Speaker 1: this out. He's looking like, okay, if we move. Jerry
Speaker 1: wants to go, and he's feel like he's gonna lose
Speaker 1: somebody here, and Stevens again trying to talk him into
Speaker 1: something maybe different. Every time they're looking across the table,
Speaker 1: Todd Williams is giving him the math. He's figuring out
Speaker 1: what he would have to take. Now, somebody on the
Speaker 1: slaves on which side again, he would be as to
Speaker 1: Jerry's right as you look at the screen, it would
Speaker 1: be to the left, he said, to the side of
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett over Charlotte. Yeah, so if they're gonna work
Speaker 1: the phones working the phones is coming from Steven Jones left.
Speaker 1: So that's what they're doing. Todd Williams leaning in right
Speaker 1: there and telling him something. What's going on with the
Speaker 1: Gary told him a good joke. There's a hearty laugh
Speaker 1: from Steven Jones there. Yeah, these guys handle this way
Speaker 1: better than I ever could. I mean, they've been doing
Speaker 1: it for a quarter century. If you imagine if we're
Speaker 1: at oh gosh, I'd be running around slamming things on
Speaker 1: the ground the butt for the Browns here at nineteen UM.
Speaker 1: For the longest time I mocked Lyle Collins. Here, they'd
Speaker 1: like Lyle Collins quite a bit. Yeah, obviously now you
Speaker 1: can't do that right, But I still think offensive line
Speaker 1: is the direction they want to go. And with Irving
Speaker 1: on the board still the Chiefs passed Irving could be
Speaker 1: that pick Alex Mack. You don't know what his feature
Speaker 1: is at center right tackle? Is a need a versatile guy? Absolutely? Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's played. I'll tell you what. When you watch him play,
Speaker 1: he's making all the calls and he made him from
Speaker 1: the left tackle spot. Yeah, he is one of those guys.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. You see, he gets pushed, he's
Speaker 1: able to sustain. Is a good pass blocker, gets a
Speaker 1: little wide at times with his bass, but I tell
Speaker 1: you what, he has the power to sit down on people.
Speaker 1: I think I think Dane's onto something there about him.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a it's a it's a. When you
Speaker 1: talk about players that could stand up in that mill,
Speaker 1: that's the most important thing that when you talk about Jones,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys keep in the middle of that pocket. Clean
Speaker 1: Irvan is a guy that makes a lot of sense
Speaker 1: to me if they were a receiver for Cleveland here.
Speaker 1: Brashad Perraman is a player they've done work on and
Speaker 1: I mocked actually in my mock I had him taking
Speaker 1: Breshad Perraman at nineteen, but Irving was off the board
Speaker 1: in that scenario. So I think with could use a rusher.
Speaker 1: I mean, there could be a rusher here too. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think Cleveland fans are gonna be a little upset
Speaker 1: if they pass on Bud dupre here. Yeah. But I
Speaker 1: don't disagree with you about the about the the center
Speaker 1: because I think he can. Yeah, he's the best center
Speaker 1: in the draft and the only center in this draft
Speaker 1: you really feel comfortable with saying he's gonna start for
Speaker 1: a long time. Yeah, I totally I totally agree on that.
Speaker 1: And if you get him a little earlier than you
Speaker 1: want to, I mean, it worked out well for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys two years ago and he would play right tackle. Well,
Speaker 1: Mitchell Schwartz is their right tackle. Yeah, he's going to
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know where he's gonna play
Speaker 1: because Mitchell Schwartz is the incumbent. He's a free agent
Speaker 1: after the year. So I think Irving's your long term
Speaker 1: starter right at Botonio, at guard in Greco Greco, I
Speaker 1: think that's where you're going to see a competition between
Speaker 1: Irving and Greco. Well, the the rumor is they want
Speaker 1: to do something with Swarts to trying to the right
Speaker 1: last year. Yeah, at right tackle. Yeah, I think Irving
Speaker 1: while have a chance every opportunity to earn that right
Speaker 1: tackle job. It'll be tough to supplant h Schwartz, who's
Speaker 1: been in the league for three years now. But Alex
Speaker 1: Mack too. They're worried about Alex mack Is future in Cleveland.
Speaker 1: How long will he be there? So uh, But Irving
Speaker 1: that's what he brings. He brings that versatility, play tackle,
Speaker 1: play center. He can play guards. So m this pick
Speaker 1: would not surprise me if it ends up being that's
Speaker 1: the voice of Dame Brugler right there, CBS Sports, you
Speaker 1: got brought us, you got David Hellman. I'm Bill Jones,
Speaker 1: as Cleveland is on the clock. Should be getting the
Speaker 1: pick in here pretty soon. He's in. Yeah, just waiting.
Speaker 1: They keep showing the Cleveland war room here. I you know,
Speaker 1: if you're Cleveland and you come out of this just straft,
Speaker 1: especially in the first round with Danny Shelton, and then
Speaker 1: you got Irving who you're talking about, and you're talking
Speaker 1: about the best nose tackle in the draft, talking about
Speaker 1: six hundred and fifty pounds, talk about the polar opposite
Speaker 1: of the madness we were thinking they might pull off
Speaker 1: a couple hours ago. Oh with Mario. With Mario, and
Speaker 1: it's going something to watch way smarter in my opinion, exactly.
Speaker 1: You build in the trenches, scar scary GM, smart GM,
Speaker 1: logical GM. Now you build from the inside out. And
Speaker 1: that's what they're doing. You haven't even given your troubled
Speaker 1: quarterback more than like three quarters to prove he can
Speaker 1: even do anything. Picks in all right, here we go
Speaker 1: Roger with the nineteenth pick in the twenty fifteen NFL Draft,
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Brown select Cameron Irving. Here you go? Are
Speaker 1: you go? I have Irving, Florida State. Now Philadelphia at
Speaker 1: number twenty. This feels like a big one. I don't know, No,
Speaker 1: it really does. I mean, Okay, Pittsburgh and Baltimore need cornerbacks. Ideally,
Speaker 1: I think the Cowboy always would like a cornerback. If
Speaker 1: Philly takes Byron Jones right here, then it screws up
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. But I could see him trading
Speaker 1: into that twenty one spot if they wanted to, If
Speaker 1: that was something they Whether it's for Bud Dupree, whether
Speaker 1: it's for Byron Jones, I don't know. But what the
Speaker 1: Eagles do right here could dictate a lot about what
Speaker 1: happens with the Cowboy. Cincinnati's at number twenty one, followed
Speaker 1: by Pittsburgh. Yeah, we mocked it. We mocked it where
Speaker 1: they traded to Cincinnati. We're smart guys. Yeah, Well, to
Speaker 1: take Kevin Johnson not a guy, true, but this might
Speaker 1: be to take Byron Jones. If if if, if, if,
Speaker 1: if fact Philadelphia passes here, then you know you got
Speaker 1: to think about that. I mean, if you can get
Speaker 1: And I said, no, that's what I said yesterday in
Speaker 1: the mock draft. And and it's college Cincinnati. Sometimes you
Speaker 1: hear crickets, you know, it's like they just kind of
Speaker 1: haven't paid their phone bill. Well they do. They do
Speaker 1: their own little thing over there. And so sometimes you're
Speaker 1: you're kind of at the mercy when when you know
Speaker 1: you have to trade to somebody in Philadelphia. Is that team?
Speaker 1: Excuse me a Cincinnati's that team? You kind of like
Speaker 1: you're thinking, ah, this is just not going to work out. Um,
Speaker 1: look at the needs here though, safety guard, wide receiver, Philadelphia, Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: What do you think I mean? Could this be? Could
Speaker 1: this be? We see Collins? Would they take Collins here?
Speaker 1: It's possibility. Unfortunately its Randall's a possibility. Collins as a possibility.
Speaker 1: And this is a bad timing. But I have to
Speaker 1: go run and do writer stuff, help out Nick Eatman
Speaker 1: and Rob Phillips while they handle TV business. But I
Speaker 1: hope I can. I hope I can make it back
Speaker 1: in come all about boys pick. I will do my best,
Speaker 1: but I'll talk to you all down the line. David
Speaker 1: Helman's read his fine work here right here on Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com. So we got a division rival on
Speaker 1: the clock. Earlier at number five, Washington took Brandon Schurf,
Speaker 1: the offensive lineman from Iowa, and the Giants at number
Speaker 1: nine took Eric Flowers, a tackle from Miami and now Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, where's Chip Kelly come from?
Speaker 1: Where is where is his background? So you got to
Speaker 1: think about these with coaches. This is really his first
Speaker 1: time with the controls of the personnel department. Here where
Speaker 1: when Jimmy Johnson, Bill, you're recovering Jimmy Johnson, the players
Speaker 1: that that he knew. He was coming from a college
Speaker 1: program evaluating and in Miami was I think was a
Speaker 1: biggie was a Big East team at the time though,
Speaker 1: but maybe he didn't draft, but he knew the college program,
Speaker 1: he knew him very well. I think that you have
Speaker 1: to think about when you're looking at these coaches, especially
Speaker 1: ones that are running personnel departments now, they will gravitate
Speaker 1: towards areas that they know, you know, and I mean
Speaker 1: where you're going with this. I'm trying to say, think
Speaker 1: about I'm thinking about like PAC twelve players, sure, I'm
Speaker 1: thinking about if you you know, well, yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Oh okay, sorry, okay, but I'm thinking about
Speaker 1: like PAC twelve guys. I mean, that's something you have
Speaker 1: to think about when you have somebody that's running these departments,
Speaker 1: when you're going into the draft and you're saying receiver,
Speaker 1: it could one much strong in Arizona State. I'm thinking
Speaker 1: another PAC twelve receiver. You're thinking Agyar one of those
Speaker 1: weapons that Chip Kelly would just love to get his
Speaker 1: hands on. You know, he's just kind of steady, h
Speaker 1: he wants a playmaker, and so I think, and who
Speaker 1: did he lose Jeremy Macklin. Yeah, right, this guy type player.
Speaker 1: They they drafted Jordan Matthews in the second round last year. Yes,
Speaker 1: Aglare is more of a Macklin type player. Is that yah?
Speaker 1: I think that's a very apt comparison. Yeah. I just
Speaker 1: think that when you start talking about coaches and that
Speaker 1: they're they're new running the department, especially young young as
Speaker 1: far as NFL, they go to things that they understand,
Speaker 1: they've seen guys play. That's where I mean. And I
Speaker 1: think that you know, you look at those Pack twelve guys,
Speaker 1: that just makes some mean. But they could go again,
Speaker 1: They could go safety, they could go guard here, But
Speaker 1: who would be you know, I mean, who would be
Speaker 1: the offensive lineman that you would like? I mean maybe, well,
Speaker 1: and if you're the Cowboys, you're I think you don't
Speaker 1: like to see if Ogilore is the pick? Where is
Speaker 1: you a little bit? But I think you're happy that
Speaker 1: it's not Byron Jones because that gives you one more option? Well,
Speaker 1: who would you rather see? You see strong? See strong?
Speaker 1: Then I'm saying more along the line petitive standpoint. Yeah,
Speaker 1: at twenty seven options for you. I don't think Nelson
Speaker 1: Ogilore was a player you were going to take a
Speaker 1: twenty seven. So you're happy to see, uh if that
Speaker 1: ends up being the pick, I think that that makes
Speaker 1: you happy that it's not going to be Byron Jones
Speaker 1: or a player that you would consider a Bud Dupree
Speaker 1: who is still on the board. And we're in the
Speaker 1: twenties now, Yeah, I think that you know, to me,
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly, he's dismantled his offensive. If you look at
Speaker 1: the weapons, McCoy, macklin, you know who is who are
Speaker 1: they throwing the ball to? Who are those? You know?
Speaker 1: Who is the runner? They went and got a runner?
Speaker 1: You know? Now they think, Okay, how can we help
Speaker 1: whoever plays who are runners? Yeah, whoever could play quarterback?
Speaker 1: That's what you're trying to do. How can you help
Speaker 1: the quarterback? Plus in that offense that you've won as
Speaker 1: many receivers as you can get your hands right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree with that. Come on in, makes a lot
Speaker 1: of sense there. Steve Dennis is making his way here,
Speaker 1: got into the got the pictures of the ABC studio.
Speaker 1: Here we go the commission, the Philadelphia Eagles selector Nelson
Speaker 1: all over this drap Hey. Brian mentioned the Pac twelve connection. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, going going back to what you know, going
Speaker 1: back to what you're comfortable with. Yeah, Chip Kelly in
Speaker 1: that in that Pac twelve he lost Jeremy Macklin. So
Speaker 1: we get to Jeremy Macklin like receiver here at twenty
Speaker 1: Nelson Ogilor. He's not necessarily a game breaker, is not
Speaker 1: necessarily a possession guy. He's just an all around solid player,
Speaker 1: a guy that you have to really game plan for
Speaker 1: if you're the Cowboys and rest of the division. Bad
Speaker 1: news for the Cowboys they have to face Aglore. Good
Speaker 1: news for the Cowboys in this draft. That is not
Speaker 1: a player they would have taken in the first round.
Speaker 1: You no, I don't think the guys are still on
Speaker 1: the board. Yeah, but when you watch USC tape, this guy,
Speaker 1: they line him up all over the formation, They throw
Speaker 1: screens to him, they throw it down the field to him,
Speaker 1: they run reverses with him. You know, Chip Kelly, I
Speaker 1: guarantee is going to do a lot of the same
Speaker 1: things that they did that Steve Sarkissian did at USC
Speaker 1: to try and get the football in his hands. This
Speaker 1: guy's I'll tell you what, there's a lot of people
Speaker 1: think of talk about one of the best route runners
Speaker 1: in this draft. Nelson Aguilar is one of those guys,
Speaker 1: and to me, he reminded me a lot of Marquis Lee,
Speaker 1: another former USC receiver, But with aglare the production outstanding.
Speaker 1: One of the few receivers who went triple digits and
Speaker 1: catches last year in the FBS. A player that's just
Speaker 1: on all around, solid, solid, solid option here for the Eagles.
Speaker 1: So you have to feel if you're the Cowboys, you
Speaker 1: hate to have to face him twice a year. But again, uh,
Speaker 1: like Bill said, it's it's an option that you weren't
Speaker 1: gonna go at twenty seven so a player may be
Speaker 1: moving back that you might want to get Budd Dupres
Speaker 1: still there Byron Jones is still on the on the board,
Speaker 1: Gregory's still there all right, Steve Dennis, how are you
Speaker 1: doing six picks away Gregory raid discussion? Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: is gonna come into play? I think I think it'll
Speaker 1: be interesting to see what if Bud Dupre in fact
Speaker 1: is involved in this as well. The outside line or
Speaker 1: defensive end from Kentucky. This is something that we didn't
Speaker 1: feel like that he was gonna slide this far. And
Speaker 1: so I think he was one of the guys that
Speaker 1: Cowboys brought in, Yes, exactly. So yeah, I think that
Speaker 1: you have to hum who will be higher on their board?
Speaker 1: Will Gregory be higher than Dupre, will be higher than
Speaker 1: uh than Shane Ray here? And so I think that's
Speaker 1: what they like, those defensive ends better than a Malcolm Brown,
Speaker 1: I think so bestial like Eddie Goldman. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that they. I think they view Malcolm Brown like as
Speaker 1: a one technique. I don't think they would take a
Speaker 1: one technique. I think Carl Davis, they've seen on tape
Speaker 1: at Iowa play in both the the three and playing
Speaker 1: the one. So I don't know Cincinnati on the cunny one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: do we have any ideas about what this might be?
Speaker 1: That's your you've mocked about offensive linemen. I think offensive
Speaker 1: line is where they wanted to go. You look at
Speaker 1: left tackle, right tackle. They can use some upgrades there
Speaker 1: long term. Um so who Humphreys is still available? And
Speaker 1: this I think this was the first spot we looked at.
Speaker 1: A Boohe big possibility. Yeah, and I think that's it's
Speaker 1: it's a very possible uh marriage here for the Bengals
Speaker 1: and a Boohey if that's the direction they decide to go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're a little bit different in the way they look
Speaker 1: at these linemens. So yeah, and they've always they've done
Speaker 1: a nice job though of kind of grabbing those sec
Speaker 1: lineman as well over the years. But I agree with
Speaker 1: you about the problem I have with a Boohe is
Speaker 1: though the health you know where where you know where
Speaker 1: is he on his recovery right now? And with a
Speaker 1: boo it's not just the ACL he's been banged up
Speaker 1: his entire career. He's he's dealt with nagging issues. So
Speaker 1: their ability is something you have to factor in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, I think the Jones kid is sort of
Speaker 1: this year shazier at this point that they're nervously hoping
Speaker 1: that he Well, what's what's gonna be interesting is if
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh who Pittsburgh takes and and they have two big
Speaker 1: needs pass rush corner that yeah, to me, see that's
Speaker 1: where that's where you look at Pittsburgh and they can
Speaker 1: say they could take the outside linebacker and they seem
Speaker 1: to always take a guy ahead of the Cowboys that
Speaker 1: they like. But I think, to me, you have to
Speaker 1: be and looking just ahead. I think a booie. I
Speaker 1: think that's a that's a possibility there, and then I
Speaker 1: would worry about Jones or bud Dupree going to Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: I think they would be okay if Pittsburgh did take
Speaker 1: bud Dupree. I think they would be okay with that
Speaker 1: because I don't think they expected it to be so
Speaker 1: they did. Well. They're getting a little more nervous in here.
Speaker 1: I mean, Junior's pacing and it's more intense. It's just
Speaker 1: like it was last year before their pick came. So
Speaker 1: they're they're sweating something they're feeling pretty good about. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're staying there. Now, who do we say on Cincinnati's
Speaker 1: pick is in what we say about their needs. Again,
Speaker 1: we thought it was going to be offensive linemen here
Speaker 1: that Yeah, they've got Whitworth and Andre Smith at the
Speaker 1: tackle position to veterans, both about to be free agents. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're thirty four years old. If he's in the long
Speaker 1: term future, I think it's that guard safety, Yeah, George
Speaker 1: Iloka and Reggie Nelson and no safety off the board
Speaker 1: yet well tied end offensive tackle, you know, and then
Speaker 1: safety were the three that Collins is there. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just think I think I think Danish, right, whoever it
Speaker 1: could be. It could be Humphries, it could be a
Speaker 1: buoy I think it's gonna be an offensive tackle here. Again,
Speaker 1: they do not want to pay guys they traditionally that's
Speaker 1: not there, and that's fine with the Cowboys if they
Speaker 1: take those guys. Yeah, in my mock draft, I had
Speaker 1: them taking Eric Flowers, but obviously that's not Flowers has
Speaker 1: gone long gone by this point, So I think the
Speaker 1: next likely possibilities of Boohy, that's who I think we saw.
Speaker 1: There's a connection there, and again a buoy is coming
Speaker 1: off at acl Texas a and m product out of
Speaker 1: Alan High School. Probably a top ten pick. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: al and we're talking below the way. It says a
Speaker 1: lot about him that he's being considered the first horrific feat.
Speaker 1: You love the fluidity, you love the change of direction
Speaker 1: for a big man like that upper body. You worry
Speaker 1: about the hand placement, you worry about the technique. He
Speaker 1: needs work. Here we go, We got the commissioner here.
Speaker 1: We're the twenty first pick in the two thy fifteen
Speaker 1: NFL Draft, the Cincinnati Bengals st Cedric. They nailed it.
Speaker 1: He has studied this draft. I crammed last night, where
Speaker 1: did you have dupri By the way, why is he sliding?
Speaker 1: You have him? And in your mock? Where did I
Speaker 1: have him? I had him early, had him six. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what's going on with him. That is a good question.
Speaker 1: I don't talking talking to some teams. They I know
Speaker 1: some teams had him as a second round player. Yeah, great, No,
Speaker 1: And you just you wonder about did teams see him
Speaker 1: as a three four backer? They see him as a
Speaker 1: four three? And do they see him as a guy
Speaker 1: that can play both? Do they see him as a
Speaker 1: guy that's maybe a tweener. I think that's something that
Speaker 1: an opinion it's going to be different team to team
Speaker 1: depending on who you talk to. But with the Steelers
Speaker 1: on the clock, now, I think this is where you
Speaker 1: look at Bud dupre. Yeah, this Budd Dupree, he's not.
Speaker 1: The Steelers are one of those teams that always cleans
Speaker 1: up the mess. Somebody slides down the board. It happened
Speaker 1: to us one time in the draft room. Kendrell Bell
Speaker 1: we took we took Quincy Carter, and we had Kendrell
Speaker 1: Bell as a first round grade at linebacker and the
Speaker 1: very ORGI yeah, the very next pick, they took Kendrill
Speaker 1: Bell and he made They made AFC Rookie of the
Speaker 1: Defensive Rookie of the Year. So that just shows you
Speaker 1: right there, the Steelers do a great job of draft.
Speaker 1: And I just don't I just don't see Budd Dupreet slide.
Speaker 1: He was the tenth best player on my board. All right,
Speaker 1: here's what they've got on their depth chart at outside linebacker,
Speaker 1: Arthur Moates, who was unrestricted free action from Buffalo, James
Speaker 1: Harrison and Jarvis Jones, of course, was a first round
Speaker 1: draft pick two years ago. And you hate to call
Speaker 1: h you hate to use the bust word, but he's
Speaker 1: not listed first team there. James Jarvis Jones has been
Speaker 1: a bus for a top two Georgie kid. Right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: see that's what I think that, Like I said, when
Speaker 1: you look at theirs according to my deal, cornerback, we
Speaker 1: talked about Jones being a potential there. But the outside
Speaker 1: linebacker rusher, you know that that would be need number
Speaker 1: two in safety. Being the fact that they lost Troy Polamalou.
Speaker 1: I think that you know that you'd have to say
Speaker 1: that that Collins could be a guy here. But I
Speaker 1: just Budd Dupre of all the guys that are left. Again,
Speaker 1: Brian brought his tenth best player on his top fifty.
Speaker 1: Bud Dupre makes a hell of a lot of sense
Speaker 1: for me at that outside linebacker spot that could be
Speaker 1: a rusher. And Dupres for me was eighteen on my board.
Speaker 1: So we're getting into the area where I think he
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. Um, it's hard to find
Speaker 1: players that are better than Dupris at this point, especially
Speaker 1: pass rushers right a position we know that not too
Speaker 1: many teams are set and say and we don't need
Speaker 1: a pass rusher. So pick is in for Pittsburgh. Be
Speaker 1: interesting to see what they do here. Landon Collins is
Speaker 1: a guy safety from Alabama who's sliding on down here.
Speaker 1: It's like, though I did that Landing Collins is wrong.
Speaker 1: He's a strong safety. Yeah, that's where you know, if
Speaker 1: you want to drive, if you want a guy, I'd
Speaker 1: play him an outside linebacker if it was me. Definitely
Speaker 1: in your nickels him, put him as an outside linebacker. Buchanon. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're to start exactly exactly. Yeah, the Steelers, and they're
Speaker 1: showing a graphic here about the secondary and guys that
Speaker 1: that they've you know, that they've gone through and stuff. Now,
Speaker 1: so yeah, I think along those lines with Landon Collins,
Speaker 1: there's the role that you have for him his rookie year,
Speaker 1: and then he becomes your strong safety. I mean even
Speaker 1: when you've got to in the Cowboys situation, you got
Speaker 1: two safeties in Church and Wilcox. But but the Cowboys
Speaker 1: have been in search of that free safety forever. Yes,
Speaker 1: And and the free safety might come from a kid
Speaker 1: at Arizona State, Marius Rand. Yeah, that might be the
Speaker 1: best free safety. And depending on you know, if you
Speaker 1: want to move some guys around. But he's got some
Speaker 1: corner skills too. Absolutely, he does yeah, I'm in the Nickel. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: We talked about the safety class. If you don't get
Speaker 1: your safety early, you're not getting your safety in this
Speaker 1: class in just a weak position. So that's why landing
Speaker 1: Collins the Marius Randall good chance. We could hear their
Speaker 1: names here shortly in the first round, later part of
Speaker 1: the first round. Yeah, they're just kind of talking about
Speaker 1: things right now. This pick's been in for a while though,
Speaker 1: hadn't in as it are they still on the clock.
Speaker 1: I felt like that they had already the pick had
Speaker 1: been in. There is in, Yeah, and they're making their way.
Speaker 1: Here comes the commissioner with the twenty second pick in
Speaker 1: the twenty fifteen NFL Draft, the Pittsburgh Steelers select Bud Dupris.
Speaker 1: We go, mine, there we go. We wasn't gonna slide
Speaker 1: much longer now, sure wasn't sure. Wasn't at all perfect
Speaker 1: pick for Pittsburgh right there, considering their situation at outside linebacker.
Speaker 1: So Detroit is up. It's Detroit, followed by Arizona at
Speaker 1: twenty four, Carolina twenty five, Baltimore twenty and then Dallas.
Speaker 1: So four picks before the Cowboys. Now this is interesting.
Speaker 1: Twenty three, the Lions. We have a trade. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Denver's now on the clock. So who's Denver going up
Speaker 1: to get ahead of Arizona. It's either a tackle or
Speaker 1: it's uh someone on defense. It's it's it's a v
Speaker 1: it's got to be a defensive player. They've got age
Speaker 1: at that at their you know, maybe could this be
Speaker 1: where they're talking about, you know, uh looking at a
Speaker 1: guy what was outside linebacker? They lost the pre just
Speaker 1: then maybe who would be the next best uh edge
Speaker 1: rusher that's potentially could be an outside linebacker? Did they
Speaker 1: feel good about Randy Gregory, about Shane How about Shane Ray?
Speaker 1: I had that in my mock draft. So did you yeah,
Speaker 1: you'd be all for that? Yeah? I think. I mean,
Speaker 1: to me, you've got to look at if you're if
Speaker 1: you're there. They obviously would when in when Bud Dupree
Speaker 1: went off, they're thinking about, okay, wait, we can't lose
Speaker 1: the next best guy, so let me see here. And
Speaker 1: I think the bigger concern for teams and outside rusher,
Speaker 1: I mean, that would be one of Denver's needs if
Speaker 1: they go on the close. The incident for Shane Ray
Speaker 1: this week is not something that is a concern. I
Speaker 1: don't think the NFL team. It's one of those things
Speaker 1: where if you were on the fence with Shane Ray,
Speaker 1: it worries you a little bit. But if you if
Speaker 1: you know his background, it's not the greatest background to
Speaker 1: begin with. And what sets up really interesting though two here, guys,
Speaker 1: is with Detroit now getting out of that pick, that
Speaker 1: was a team that could looked at a cornerback. Ye,
Speaker 1: so you know you look at with with the pick
Speaker 1: now going to Denver, you know, not needing a quarterback,
Speaker 1: but that takes Detroit out of the mix, puts them
Speaker 1: behind Dallas at twenty eight. So that's gotta be something
Speaker 1: that you gotta maybe dodge a little bit of a
Speaker 1: bullet there Detroit not making a pick. We have the
Speaker 1: terms of the trade. What Denver I have not. I've
Speaker 1: not seen that. I've not seen that. It was a
Speaker 1: small move, small move from twenty eight to twenty three.
Speaker 1: On the third, let's see what they think. My man
Speaker 1: Dave Helmet took off and left our lefty. Bill. You
Speaker 1: got that right in front of you there. Let's see Baltom.
Speaker 1: I mean, Denver six sixty moved up to seven sixty.
Speaker 1: So one hundred points, so they would be a fourth
Speaker 1: early fourth and yeah, late third. So thirty two thirty
Speaker 1: two would that be the number that they would go with.
Speaker 1: A hundred is is the value to move up? So
Speaker 1: they just need one hundred points there, Yeah, and that's
Speaker 1: one thirty two for their third round pick. What was
Speaker 1: the what was in the trade to go up two
Speaker 1: spots to get Gordon? We never saw it. What did
Speaker 1: they get? That was fifth? Next year? Right? The fifth
Speaker 1: win next Yeah, fifth win next year? I believe it
Speaker 1: is what it was. So anyway, but uh yeah, that's
Speaker 1: uh all right. So so the players, the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: looking at right now, which what guys are they? That's
Speaker 1: Byron Jones is their guy right now? What's the pecking
Speaker 1: order you think? I think that that Byron Jones would
Speaker 1: be their number one guy left on the corners of
Speaker 1: the PJ. Williams, Byron Jones, Okay, Jalen cons and Derby.
Speaker 1: I think that would be their order. Did Byron Jones
Speaker 1: have a first round grade? Yes? He did? Well, I
Speaker 1: mean on my board he did. I don't know about
Speaker 1: their board. What do you think? Well, let's put it
Speaker 1: this way. Randy Gregory, who we think is a first
Speaker 1: round player, right, and Byron Jones are there? Which at direction?
Speaker 1: Do you think the Cowboys although you had him in
Speaker 1: the second round, I had, I had Gregory in the
Speaker 1: second round, I'd second, i'd second round, and well, I
Speaker 1: think Gregory and Jones are both two guys that you
Speaker 1: can see some first round you see second round. I
Speaker 1: think those guys are very close. So if it comes
Speaker 1: down to Byron Jones or Randy Gregory, I don't feel
Speaker 1: confident picking one or the other. Yeah, for the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: I think they might, which is why they're not doing anything.
Speaker 1: Malcolm Brown at defensive tackle, Humphreys and what about the
Speaker 1: Harold kid? Eli Harold there's another name. See, I just
Speaker 1: don't think that they would. I think the highest I
Speaker 1: just believe, Yeah, I believe the highest rated guy on
Speaker 1: their board potentially if you just talk about top ten player.
Speaker 1: Here's the terms of the trade. Two fifths and Manny Ramirez,
Speaker 1: so a player oh Texas, a fifth this year, a
Speaker 1: fifth next year, and a guard. So does that key
Speaker 1: in on who they're taking here? So interesting Denver, a
Speaker 1: team that needed some O line helped traded away an
Speaker 1: offensive lineman, probably for defense. Yeah, I just think that
Speaker 1: to me, it's any of these linebackers the Cowboys would
Speaker 1: consider at twenty seven. Those are the wild cards. I
Speaker 1: think that's a direction where if you get wiped out,
Speaker 1: then you look at the linebackers and if they go,
Speaker 1: I think McKinney, Shack Thompson, Um Kendrick. I think you know,
Speaker 1: it's anyone's guests which linebacker they would prefer at that point.
Speaker 1: Broncos selection. Here we go. The commission Mary Mayans have
Speaker 1: traded the twenty third pick to the Denver Broncos. With
Speaker 1: the twenty third pick in the two thousand and fifteen
Speaker 1: NFL Draft, the Denver Broncos select Shane Ray to get him.
Speaker 1: Once again, Brugler is on his game, Jane Ray to
Speaker 1: the Broncos. Brian said it too. It's uh, Shane Ray.
Speaker 1: It's it's a little risky. But they went up and
Speaker 1: got him a player that a week ago we had
Speaker 1: mocked in the top ten. Yeah, now you get him
Speaker 1: at twenty three. Now, when we look back at this
Speaker 1: a few years from now, it could be a heck
Speaker 1: of a value. Could look like they gave up a
Speaker 1: little too much to go get a player with some
Speaker 1: red flax. Okay, Now, what does Minnesota want with the
Speaker 1: twenty fourth pick? Arizona Arizona Minnesota, here comes, here comes
Speaker 1: the bag d Tred What does Minnesota want with I
Speaker 1: think Arizona Arizona is gonna stand in there and make
Speaker 1: a pick. I don't think they docet went to San
Speaker 1: Francisco and free Yeah, I think they haven't. I don't
Speaker 1: think they resigned Tommy Kelly. So defensive line, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think outside Brown doesn't fit in the three four. Well,
Speaker 1: here here's possible needs. It's outside linebacker, offensive line, inside linebacker.
Speaker 1: So I think that to me, Arizona has always struggled
Speaker 1: with their offensive line. That's a team. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I can up in North Carolina. Yeah, I cam Irving
Speaker 1: was a player I thought made a lot of sense there.
Speaker 1: But obviously he's off the board. So who would be
Speaker 1: the best tackle on your board? Still, Dan Humphries, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that makes Humphries. Could they go guard with can? Would
Speaker 1: that be a surprise shock pick? It would be a surprise.
Speaker 1: That's a little early. Cowboys would be fine with that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're fine with Humphrey too. And if you talk about
Speaker 1: outside linebackers, Kendricks Thompson, those kind of guys. I just
Speaker 1: think that they they've already got in Buchanan. See I
Speaker 1: think Thompson right now to start off with, especially in
Speaker 1: the three, well, three four, he'd playing inside, I guess,
Speaker 1: but he's I think his rookie year, he's your nickel linebacker.
Speaker 1: As I'm picturing him here in Dallas, he would be
Speaker 1: right in the nickel and as he works his way
Speaker 1: into the lean playmaker. What do you guys think the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are going through right now? Three picks away? Are
Speaker 1: they looking at trading down? No? Already, No, I don't
Speaker 1: think so. Is there a chance they're looking to we
Speaker 1: might be over rating Byron Jones on their board. It's possible, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we might. We might be overrating with Byron Jones is
Speaker 1: on their board. I think they like Malcolm Brown. I
Speaker 1: just have a feeling they like. I don't see them
Speaker 1: taking a look at him as versatile, but he's really
Speaker 1: he plays as really the best as a one technique.
Speaker 1: I mean, I agree, he's versatile. I think he could
Speaker 1: play anywhere from the zero to five realistically, But the
Speaker 1: Cowboys obviously they don't have him as a one in
Speaker 1: a three. They have him pegged I think probably as
Speaker 1: A one. I think they probably do, and so isn't
Speaker 1: the rule though, if you don't have anybody left on
Speaker 1: your first round board that you get out, it's possible.
Speaker 1: Is it possible they don't have a bad left but
Speaker 1: they're picking second round guys anyway at twenty seven? Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's only there's not typically eighteen first round grade. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: so so you're picking a round guy anyway. When when
Speaker 1: the noise was made about Travis Frederick, well they had
Speaker 1: a second round grade on him? Well, yeah, because yeah,
Speaker 1: there are first round very few first round first round
Speaker 1: grades ended before twenty Yeah. I'm just if you, if
Speaker 1: you're the Cowboys, are you thinking about moving up a
Speaker 1: few spots to get a guy that you're I'm wondering
Speaker 1: if it's Byron Jones, Byron Jone? Yeah, Randy Gregory, Well,
Speaker 1: do you move up a little bit to get him? Guarantee? Well,
Speaker 1: the team's between you now, Baltimore twenty six worries me.
Speaker 1: I think they have a lot of the same needs.
Speaker 1: Could go corner, could go pass Rusher. So do you
Speaker 1: move up two spots to get to Carolina? I think
Speaker 1: I think they're sitting. I think they're gonna sit this one.
Speaker 1: I don't see. I don't see. I'd see Carolina is
Speaker 1: standing in there and making a pick. And if if
Speaker 1: that's the case, then that tells you that they feel
Speaker 1: comfortable with multiple guys here. They feel comfortable with multiple
Speaker 1: players who okay, who behind them? Who behind them could
Speaker 1: jump them and get and get Jones of the of
Speaker 1: the guys left. I mean, you look at the teams
Speaker 1: New England, US, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Green Bay, Indianapolis, and Detroit.
Speaker 1: Detroit's behind you and they could use a corner. But
Speaker 1: I just don't see. The only team I see potentially
Speaker 1: diving out or getting out of there could be Baltimore.
Speaker 1: I think Carolina stands in there and makes a pick.
Speaker 1: I really do. Well, we've talked about DJ Humphries for Carolina,
Speaker 1: but if he goes off the board here at Arizona,
Speaker 1: maybe things for Carolina. Yeah, well, well let's see who
Speaker 1: this Arizona pick is if it ever gets announced. Somebody
Speaker 1: just said something hilariously funny in the Cowboys room. Well
Speaker 1: I think that again. I think they're talking about Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory on the draft ship. Yeah, yeah, if they're listening,
Speaker 1: you think they're listening. I just think that. You know, Steven,
Speaker 1: you hear that those idiots are talking about Randy Gregor.
Speaker 1: They haven't even mentioned the guy that we're talking about.
Speaker 1: Look at you know the other thing when you're considering
Speaker 1: either Byron Jones or Gregory, just the difference in makeup
Speaker 1: of the of the two players, take the position away
Speaker 1: and all that. I mean, it's a squeaky clean Byron
Speaker 1: Jones thirty three on the wonderlick? Is that what it wasn't?
Speaker 1: And then Gregory is sitting there with a he didn't
Speaker 1: know who Darren Woodson was though that ye can't be
Speaker 1: that smart? Which is better value Dane greg at this point,
Speaker 1: Gregory or Jones. Gregory or Jones if they if they
Speaker 1: both get to twenty seven. And I've been on record
Speaker 1: from the start of this draft that Gregory's going to
Speaker 1: be a bust. Yeah, well he's already been busted. Yeah
Speaker 1: with Gregory, if you're I like him. I like Gregory
Speaker 1: I the talent better, but I also like him better
Speaker 1: in a three four now if man on a good day,
Speaker 1: now can he play strong side linebacker? And like the
Speaker 1: Vikings fifteen NFL Draft, the Arizona Cardinals select dj Humphrey.
Speaker 1: There you go. Yeah, one of you called that. Who
Speaker 1: called that brought us? We're talking him. They both they
Speaker 1: just nail every pick, it's all they do. So now
Speaker 1: we're talking with uh two picks away. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: told you guys, I think Carolina stands in there. I
Speaker 1: think so too. I think, so what do they need? Well,
Speaker 1: and we look at offensive line, we look at defense,
Speaker 1: and on defense, they've brought in a few players. Uh,
Speaker 1: Shack Thompson, a linebacker who could be a Thomas Davis
Speaker 1: type of player for them. Yeah, Carolina looking at offensive tackle, safety,
Speaker 1: wide receiver, linebacker would be uh something in the sub
Speaker 1: they're looking for, like a sub linebacker, right. Jack Thompson
Speaker 1: makes some sense played as a sub backer they brought.
Speaker 1: They brought him in, and so I think you have
Speaker 1: to keep that in mind. Safety's a possibility here. But
Speaker 1: now I'm with you. I think if they're not gonna
Speaker 1: go offensive line with with DJ Humphries, I think DJ
Speaker 1: Humphries would have been the pick. Yeah, Charlotte native, they
Speaker 1: need offensive line help. Um, But with him off the
Speaker 1: board here at Arizona, I agree. I think Shack Thompson
Speaker 1: makes some sense. And I think some Cowboys fans would
Speaker 1: be uh more than okay with Shack Thompson going off
Speaker 1: the board. So you got Malcolm Brown, Byron Jones, and
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory. I'm sitting I'm I mean Dallas. I mean,
Speaker 1: they could try and be aggressive here and and maybe
Speaker 1: make Baltimore. But I think they're gonna get their guy,
Speaker 1: depending on who their guy here. It's on the phone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean they might, they might be see I think
Speaker 1: Dallas makes a pick at twenty seven, then I like
Speaker 1: them trading up in the second instead of waiting all
Speaker 1: the way to sixty to get to running back. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know how bad I want to running back. It'll
Speaker 1: be interesting to see. I mean Baltimore, you know, I
Speaker 1: think Byron Jones definitely. You know, they're sitting on Byron Jones.
Speaker 1: There's I think they're sitting on Barron. They're waiting them
Speaker 1: out and yeah if if if he falls to them,
Speaker 1: that's a that's a heck of a pick if it happens. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think that they're I think they're sitting
Speaker 1: on Byron Jones right now and hoping that he makes
Speaker 1: it and hoping that Baltimore, uh, you know, or the
Speaker 1: the in front of them, doesn't you know get taken.
Speaker 1: I mean there's some high fives going on in this
Speaker 1: war room. What's what do you think's going on here?
Speaker 1: We we've talked about we talked about the see anything
Speaker 1: about a trade, the first round board getting wiped out,
Speaker 1: your options limited. But one of these guys fall to you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they've got their guy. They know the Carolina shakes all
Speaker 1: around the if they made a trade. No, they know
Speaker 1: what Carolina and Baltimore are doing. Okay, they got their guy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think to me once once that it was once
Speaker 1: that that they kind of saw things sliding down the board,
Speaker 1: and it be interesting what Carolina is it's defense too,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's gotta be Yeah, they got their guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be again. But we got who do
Speaker 1: we have on the clock right now? The lineup still
Speaker 1: Carolina picks in and they must have got win too.
Speaker 1: What Baltimore is doing somehow, well, yeah, he probably called Hardball,
Speaker 1: well let's talk about let's talk about let's talk about Baltimore.
Speaker 1: Though John Garrett was on the phone with somebody who
Speaker 1: probably was on the phone with Hardball, and Hardball said, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're taking this guy. Okay, yeah, yeah, somebody else he
Speaker 1: knows there. Yeah, I think that. I think that that
Speaker 1: Hecky interviewed for the job. He may not, he may
Speaker 1: talk to the owner. They sat right there, we talked
Speaker 1: about having to make a move up now in fact,
Speaker 1: this is Byron Jones. Now they still got a sweat.
Speaker 1: Evidently they got their guy. Just looking at war room camp, yeah,
Speaker 1: they've got And we've talked about Carolina needing a sub backer,
Speaker 1: maybe Shack Thompson, maybe Kendricks, one of those kinds of guys,
Speaker 1: an outside linebacker. And this clearly means that Orlando Scandric
Speaker 1: will show up to practice the offseason work on Monday, right, yeah, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: that's over. Yeah, So I mean I would be uh,
Speaker 1: I would be uh, you know if it fact again,
Speaker 1: everybody in the word to me, they sweated a guy.
Speaker 1: Just looking at this right now. I know we got
Speaker 1: some picks to them, but just looking at it right now,
Speaker 1: they sweated some guys and they and evidently they got
Speaker 1: their guy. So we'll see how that all plays out.
Speaker 1: But it looks like to me a lot of happy
Speaker 1: folks in that war room for sure. I like Malcolm Brown,
Speaker 1: who do who do you who do you Byron? You're
Speaker 1: thinking Byron Jones, I think, yeah, myself, I prefer a
Speaker 1: defensive lineman. Yeah, and I prefer Malcolm Brown. I'm just
Speaker 1: on record. This Oklahoma Sooner is on record saying I
Speaker 1: prefer the Texas Longhorn. Although I like Byron Jones a lot,
Speaker 1: I say, I prefer a world record broad jump. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think for what was it twelve three three yeah,
Speaker 1: forty four and a half inch vertical. And you know,
Speaker 1: we talk about workout warrior, and it is Byron Jones.
Speaker 1: Just a guy that has the measurables, but his tape
Speaker 1: matches up. He can play press, he can play his zone.
Speaker 1: The way he stays in phase with receivers is terrific.
Speaker 1: And he can play with any type of receiver, doesn't
Speaker 1: matter if it's a small guy, big guy. He can
Speaker 1: play with any type type of receivers. So they just
Speaker 1: got a heck of a corner, right, another wrinkle with
Speaker 1: this and go to the pick. Yeah, yeah, Carolina. This
Speaker 1: is interesting. Named in his honor, The Walter Payton the
Speaker 1: NFL Man of the Year Award recognizes a players community
Speaker 1: service and playing excellence. It is the most prestigious award
Speaker 1: a player can receive to announce the selection for the
Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers, we are proud to have with us tonight
Speaker 1: the twenty fourteen Man of the Year Thomas status. Thank
Speaker 1: you for Commissioner went into Watson Payton Man of the
Speaker 1: Year award was truly the highest honor for me and
Speaker 1: my family. What it did. It gave me an opportunity
Speaker 1: with my foundation, so much support from the Commissioner, from
Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers and from nationwide. And with that support,
Speaker 1: we've been able to excel and take my foundation to
Speaker 1: new high and again, Commissioner, I thank you guys for that.
Speaker 1: And now with the twenty fifth pick in the two
Speaker 1: thousand and fifteen NFL Draft, the Carolina Panther select Shack
Speaker 1: Thompson linebacker. Yeah, Thomas Davison is maybe replacement down the road,
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, not surpribly. We talked about, you know, guys,
Speaker 1: needing uh now made him made a sub linebacker. This
Speaker 1: guy is, I mean he is a run hit, cover
Speaker 1: guy and so uh Shack Thompson guy. I think the
Speaker 1: Cowboys liked as well. But uh now you got it
Speaker 1: by Byron Jones. Where where do they play him? Initially,
Speaker 1: I mean he's a corner. He's a corner, and so
Speaker 1: I know he did play a little safety um at Yukon.
Speaker 1: I like him a corner. I'm not moving him. He's
Speaker 1: in a corner um. Like I was saying before, he
Speaker 1: can play with any type of receiver. And and you're
Speaker 1: playing in a division with Odell Beckham, with Nelson Aglore.
Speaker 1: Now I think you need a player like this. And
Speaker 1: we talked about the Cowboys selecting players that are clean
Speaker 1: off the field. And Byron Jones is Captain America. He's
Speaker 1: he's a boy scouting, so I think it goes along
Speaker 1: with keeping mind he played for Paul Pasqualoni at Yukon, yeah,
Speaker 1: earlier in his career, right, And we're gonna hear a
Speaker 1: lot about workout warrior. We're going to hear those two
Speaker 1: words associated with Byron Jones. I promise you it's not that. No,
Speaker 1: not at all. We're talking about a player with a
Speaker 1: tape matches up. Now. We haven't heard much about him.
Speaker 1: We didn't hear much about him in January because he
Speaker 1: was hurt. He was invited to the Senior Bowl, but
Speaker 1: he could not participate because of the shoulder. He was
Speaker 1: at the combine, couldn't run the forty, but he did
Speaker 1: do other drills, and he played for a team that
Speaker 1: was terrible at Yakon. Absolutely, and so I think that's
Speaker 1: why he went under the radar. A little bit doesn't
Speaker 1: mean it's not a good player. Yeah, I totally agree
Speaker 1: about that. I mean, to me, you know, you watch
Speaker 1: him play and he's a he's one of those guys.
Speaker 1: He's got size. Oh yeah, he's this guy. He's got
Speaker 1: some size. He's physical, and he's a hard guy to
Speaker 1: run away from. I mean when it when you know,
Speaker 1: when you're trying to get up the field on him.
Speaker 1: He's one of those guys that can stay in position
Speaker 1: and stays in phase and yeah, and they go across
Speaker 1: the field on him. He can burn. You know a
Speaker 1: lot of guys. When you watch a guy like Brandon
Speaker 1: car play and there's separation, this guy can plant and
Speaker 1: run and stay in position and make plays deny the football.
Speaker 1: So I think that that's you know, I think that
Speaker 1: they they sweated a picky, they caught a break. There's
Speaker 1: strobbing some people that thought maybe that you know, some
Speaker 1: Peters was a better corner. You know, obviously he went
Speaker 1: earlier to Kansas City. So Cowboys I think got the
Speaker 1: guy they exactly want. I'm frankly, I'm surprised that he's
Speaker 1: available for the Cowboys. I think you're talking about it.
Speaker 1: That's why I think they're so elated in that war
Speaker 1: room right now. I don't think. I don't think there
Speaker 1: are twenty six better players in this draft than Byron Jones. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm with you on that. I'm totally with you on that.
Speaker 1: I read some opposite opinions though, which is interesting. There
Speaker 1: there was some. In fact, I saw another team's draft
Speaker 1: board and they had Byron Jones considerably lowers. They had
Speaker 1: ahead of him, a good amount of a couple, a couple. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's what that's what, That's what. That's the thing about.
Speaker 1: It is is it gonna be? Is he? You know?
Speaker 1: Was was? Teams had Peters off the board, you know,
Speaker 1: and he went to Kansas City at eighteen. So you know,
Speaker 1: if you who who did you like at corner? You
Speaker 1: know what was your order? Everybody seemed to like the
Speaker 1: Wayne's kid from Michigan State, and then it was Kevin
Speaker 1: Johnson and then okay, who was it? After that? Was
Speaker 1: it Peters? Was it Jones. You know again, this guy's
Speaker 1: a physical football player. All right. Now you're trader Orlando
Speaker 1: Scandrick and your second rounder for Peterson who was with me. Wait,
Speaker 1: Minnesota got Wayne so they already. Bill has to be
Speaker 1: happy though that Jones yet that you would know that
Speaker 1: you didn't get there, you know that it didn't come down.
Speaker 1: I did not see them taking Randy Gregory. I just
Speaker 1: did not see it. This falls right in line with
Speaker 1: the same type of players that they have been drafting
Speaker 1: here recently. Uh, just a high character guy. And Zach
Speaker 1: Martin last year, Travis Frederick the year before. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's a Jason Garrett right kind of guy. Last summer,
Speaker 1: a lot of players are kind of relaxing, doing their
Speaker 1: own thing, working out Byron Jones was serving an internship
Speaker 1: at the US Capital. That's the type of player that
Speaker 1: he is. Um, that's that's a type of individual, very
Speaker 1: motivated individual, high character kids. So, uh, I mean twenty
Speaker 1: six hasn't picked yet, But no, I mean we keep
Speaker 1: talking about it. It's done, it's done. Yeah, well I
Speaker 1: believe it now it's done that, you know. But okay, Well,
Speaker 1: thinking about Baltimore, you know we've We've looked at Baltimore
Speaker 1: and I know I've looked at Baltimore and I've always
Speaker 1: thought about wide receiver speed. You know, somebody, uh, somebody
Speaker 1: that could go get the football. You know that the Ravens,
Speaker 1: you look at their team needs corner that might be.
Speaker 1: I know we're kind of celebrating here, but the selections
Speaker 1: in I you're nervous. It's in. I think it's a receiver.
Speaker 1: I really do the corner, receiver, running back with their
Speaker 1: needs Devin Smith in the tournament, I believe in NFL Draft,
Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens select for the pyramid. Here we go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guarantee you. Garrett was on the phone with somebody
Speaker 1: in the Baltimore organization and they said, we're taking That's
Speaker 1: how they next when they knew that they had their guy.
Speaker 1: And someone was talking to Carolina too. Well, that means
Speaker 1: Dallas is officially on the clock and so and we
Speaker 1: are all speculating here, like the whethers the this they
Speaker 1: could do in the the the election night, we're giving
Speaker 1: the state of Florida too. I'd say what we saw
Speaker 1: in the war room cam a few a few minutes
Speaker 1: ago is what we're feeling right now, Byron Jones is
Speaker 1: on it's still available. Cowboys are on the clock. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's as It's gonna be a great, a great marriage
Speaker 1: if that's what happens. Isn't it funny how this happens
Speaker 1: where they celebrated ten minutes ago? I mean, how they
Speaker 1: have intelligence Wheah, they can make a call and it's
Speaker 1: easy enough. I mean it'd be like you calling another
Speaker 1: TV stay, So who do you young? What do y'all
Speaker 1: doing today? Now? Nobody takes my calls anymore? Jones, something
Speaker 1: that I'm sure will be asked of Jerry and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the brain trust. If they got any offers,
Speaker 1: they're not gonna give away particulars. But if they got
Speaker 1: any interesting offers to trade back. But with Byron Jones
Speaker 1: on the board, I don't think clearly, unless something blows
Speaker 1: you away, you take the player. Clearly, there's nobody. They're
Speaker 1: not interested. They're not there's nobody's answering any phones here
Speaker 1: anything like that. They got to trade up in the
Speaker 1: second though, they're gonna wait all the way to say
Speaker 1: do you get that running back? Wait all the way
Speaker 1: to say they're not gonna get Tom there? Well, are
Speaker 1: they gonna get what about Duke Johnson? Are they gonna
Speaker 1: get him there? Yeah? I think that to me, I
Speaker 1: mocked up Dulap thinking that maybe if it didn't stretch.
Speaker 1: But see, that's the thing about it, and we'll know tomorrow.
Speaker 1: We'll know tomorrow night too that what you have is
Speaker 1: teams and we don't like short running backs and Duke
Speaker 1: Johnson falls into that category of a short guy. Pick
Speaker 1: is in that would be Baltimore's pick, right or is
Speaker 1: that Dallas house in? Height is maybe the least important
Speaker 1: quality for a running back, right. Build? Okay, you know
Speaker 1: you can, you can talk me into that. But height.
Speaker 1: Look at Barry Standers, look at look at Himmett, look
Speaker 1: at some of these great running backs you've seen the league.
Speaker 1: If anything, it's it helps you because the you run
Speaker 1: closer to the ground protection type. And I think it
Speaker 1: goes back to build. You know, your overall strength or
Speaker 1: growth potential. Um. You know, obviously if you're shorter, that
Speaker 1: probably means you're you're gonna max out at you know,
Speaker 1: two ten and whatever it is. And that's what and
Speaker 1: that's a worry with a player like Duke Johnson and
Speaker 1: Mirabdulah is uh, they are shorter, but they are leaner too.
Speaker 1: There's only so much bills you can put on them. Boy,
Speaker 1: Abdulah is another one that fits right into this Byron
Speaker 1: Jones type a high character. Well yeah, and if you
Speaker 1: look at Abdulah, though, I felt like that there was
Speaker 1: two teams that I watched where there were huge holes
Speaker 1: every time they ran the football, and that would be
Speaker 1: that would be Nebraska and Wisconsin. So you know when
Speaker 1: he watched Gordon play, you know, he had huge holes
Speaker 1: to run through. But Duke Johnson, boy, that poor guy.
Speaker 1: Other than the left tackle, it was it was tough
Speaker 1: sledding for him, a lot of creating on his own.
Speaker 1: If if if Jerry's right, and they don't feel as
Speaker 1: urgent as some of us do at running back, and
Speaker 1: it goes to the third round beside Langford from Michigan State,
Speaker 1: who who's there the third round? Yeah? If you wait
Speaker 1: to the third round to get the run? Well okay,
Speaker 1: what about yeah? What about you know? Yeah, it's Dvid
Speaker 1: Johnson about Yelden. Would you think Yeldon would be a third?
Speaker 1: I think he's going second. Yeah, but I think you know,
Speaker 1: you feel comfortable waiting at sixty and see follows you,
Speaker 1: I think a running back will fall into them. I do.
Speaker 1: I didn't think. How about Jagi's second and will you
Speaker 1: consider him the third with a knee, right, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: not taking him at sixty. No, No, I don't think
Speaker 1: this team would either. Cowboys. I don't think the Cowboys
Speaker 1: would at sixty yeah, with that knee. But at ninety
Speaker 1: one you consider it. And that's why you don't feel
Speaker 1: pressured to take a running back at six. I didn't
Speaker 1: feel like it because I took Abdula and I and
Speaker 1: I knowing damn good and well that he would probably
Speaker 1: be gone, you know. But again, I'm banking on the
Speaker 1: short running back. That's why I think Duke Johnson makes
Speaker 1: it to sixty because of the short running back. I
Speaker 1: just I kind of I know you're you're grimacing right
Speaker 1: now about it. You think Coleman makes it to sixty.
Speaker 1: No way, there's no way. I mean I think you
Speaker 1: look at yeah, the Jags in the second, I think
Speaker 1: they're gonna take a running back, the Lions, or possibility
Speaker 1: at the Cardinals. Um, so it's gonna be a long
Speaker 1: shark for Coleman. Uh and probably even Duke Johnson. Let's
Speaker 1: be honest, it's it's gonna be We will be swepting
Speaker 1: that out tomorrow. How that plays out. Yeah, By the way,
Speaker 1: as soon as they make the pick, I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: to run out of here. It's ten o'clock. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know where you do? You know where your sports aker is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna have to head down to the interview
Speaker 1: room here in just a second. But I want to
Speaker 1: hear the pick. Yeah, I I you know again that
Speaker 1: they you know, if you look at the war room cam,
Speaker 1: everybody's very excited. This is a player that obviously they
Speaker 1: had uh sitting on their board that they felt like
Speaker 1: it probably was the third best corner there, you know.
Speaker 1: And the fact that that you know, there was a
Speaker 1: lot of people didn't think that the cornerback would stretch
Speaker 1: that far. You know, I know that we we trade
Speaker 1: made a small trade up to get a guy. We
Speaker 1: made a trade up twenty one and Byron Jones is
Speaker 1: already off the board. Yeah, we Byron Jones is the
Speaker 1: player that Again, I don't think there are twenty six
Speaker 1: better players in this draft than Byron Jones, right, So
Speaker 1: you know that's that and that's good and if that's gain,
Speaker 1: if that's the pick. Again, weird speculating. Here we go here, Commissioner.
Speaker 1: The twenty seventh pick to fifteen NFL Draft, the Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys select Byron Jones, defensive beck of the pick, Connecticut
Speaker 1: six to one, one hundred ninety nine pounds and the
Speaker 1: hero of the combine numbers from Byron Jones forty four
Speaker 1: and a half vertical, a world record twelve three broad jump,
Speaker 1: a three nine four twenty yard short shuttle, and a
Speaker 1: six seven eight three comb But he plays athletically, That's
Speaker 1: that's not That's not a a like a guy that
Speaker 1: for three with a one fifty split. Yeah, that's not.
Speaker 1: We've been I mean, okay, we've been. We've been singing
Speaker 1: his praises. But I'll read you some of his week decisions.
Speaker 1: Just it's even this out let's you know, Uh, with
Speaker 1: Byron Jones, you have a player he can get caught
Speaker 1: flat footed at times. He allows his eyes to pay
Speaker 1: rent in the backfield. I mean, he's not a flawless player.
Speaker 1: He does have his flaws, but I think the strengths
Speaker 1: far outway the weaknesses here. You're really the surgery with
Speaker 1: his shoulder is something that obviously they were comfortable with two.
Speaker 1: He missed most of his senior year after shoulder surgery.
Speaker 1: It was what the right shoulder, I believe, and so
Speaker 1: or no the left shoulder. At his pro day he
Speaker 1: was able to do eighteen reps and so Cowboys aren't
Speaker 1: afraid of guys coming in injured. Never happened now. In
Speaker 1: his career his U in two thousan eleven and two twelve,
Speaker 1: he played safety, making twenty starts, and in the last
Speaker 1: two years at Yukon played cornerback. And I think we can.
Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll get these questions, but I think we
Speaker 1: can put at the rest Byron Jones will be a
Speaker 1: cornerback for this team. Yeah. I agree on that too.
Speaker 1: Me for Brandon Carr, some of that leverage moving back
Speaker 1: over to the Cowboys side. They can take another corner
Speaker 1: in this draft, sure, and then what does it mean
Speaker 1: even more to Brandon? For Brandon Carr, I gotta run
Speaker 1: out of here. Yeah, I just you know, yeah, thank you, Bill,
Speaker 1: I tell you what I mean the things. I was
Speaker 1: just going in through it and kind of piggybacking on
Speaker 1: what Dane And we'll have a report up on Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com about Byron Jones and my notes and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. You know, I said physical and the
Speaker 1: press moves well to get in position, nice power to
Speaker 1: hold receiver up, can mirror receiver high point ball pedal
Speaker 1: turn goes smooth, not much wasted motion with this player
Speaker 1: plays with knees or bent. You know, thought maybe if
Speaker 1: you look for a little bit of weak and says
Speaker 1: talking to some people about his balance. There was sometimes
Speaker 1: when we might see a little bit of some stuff
Speaker 1: with his balance. But other than that, read the route
Speaker 1: quick all that. So as you can see, they put
Speaker 1: the cover back over the screen, so we're back to
Speaker 1: looking at as they're doing to quelas shot exactly. Cigars
Speaker 1: are up. Let me reintroduce sorry, Steve Dennis, one of
Speaker 1: our trusted allies here on the break does it out
Speaker 1: of great work on the television side. One of my
Speaker 1: favorite guys, by the way, my roommate at training camp,
Speaker 1: but one of the guys here at Valley Ranch. And
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this that I always believe one of
Speaker 1: the guys that comes here and did and worked hard
Speaker 1: every day and asked tough questions and I always respect
Speaker 1: you for that. So thank you for joining us today
Speaker 1: and then Dame Brugler from CBS Sports, who's been sitting
Speaker 1: here all night filling your head full of knowledge picking
Speaker 1: these players, giving the idea, going back and forth part
Speaker 1: of the Draft show. Love having him. Kent Garrison and
Speaker 1: Lauren Soaklin there as well. So everybody's here as the
Speaker 1: Cowboys have made the pick, the Lions selection for the
Speaker 1: Lions is up, and we'll go to him. Most people
Speaker 1: had a second sorry about that. I was cheerleading there
Speaker 1: a little bit. Lake and Tomlinson is it's interesting because
Speaker 1: they just received a guard from Denver in that trade,
Speaker 1: right right, and they have a kid from Kentucky that
Speaker 1: we liked a couple years ago to the draft Lincoln
Speaker 1: right on his name at guard Wolford. Yes, Larry Wolford. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's an interesting pick right there. He's a very
Speaker 1: clean he might be the cleanest player in this draft.
Speaker 1: You know one comment, I had him in the third
Speaker 1: round though I was a little nervous about that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't have him that. I didn't have him that high,
Speaker 1: So yeah I did. I thought this again. You talk
Speaker 1: about a guy, he's what's good to med school. He's
Speaker 1: one of those med school guys that He's born Jamaica, right,
Speaker 1: YEA just an interesting story. But again you you're talking
Speaker 1: about it powerful guy. I mean you'll see a powerful guy.
Speaker 1: I don't. I worry a little bit about his pass
Speaker 1: blocking overall. But he is a big physical guy inside.
Speaker 1: But I myself did not have him but in the
Speaker 1: third round, So quick comment on Byron Jones, because you
Speaker 1: guys broke down his abilities on the football field really well.
Speaker 1: I got stuck back here in the hallway at Valley
Speaker 1: Range when Mike Woisick was given him the tour hour
Speaker 1: of the building, and I couldn't move, so I had
Speaker 1: to listen to the conversation that Woisick and Coach Henderson
Speaker 1: had with the kid. You talk about a mature kid, right,
Speaker 1: and not afraid. I mean he was cracking jokes with
Speaker 1: these guys with a big smile. This is not one
Speaker 1: of those young kids that comes in and it all
Speaker 1: seems like, oh my gosh, I'm with the Dallas Cowboys here.
Speaker 1: Huge personality and very mature is what I gathered in
Speaker 1: ten minutes of listening to a conversation here. You're always
Speaker 1: very critical, Steve of the Garrett guy. Not critical in
Speaker 1: the negative way, but critical of like, is this a
Speaker 1: Garrett guy? Is this a Jason Garrett type of a player?
Speaker 1: Byron Jones, You sound like listening to your interaction with
Speaker 1: him was a perfect Jason Garrett. No. The only time
Speaker 1: I get critical of the Garrett guy he preaches that
Speaker 1: and then they signed Greg Hardy. Yeah, that's that's the
Speaker 1: only time I get critical of that, because there's a
Speaker 1: disconnect between the front office and Garrett in my opinion sometimes.
Speaker 1: But yeah, this is definitely the right kind of guy
Speaker 1: Byron Jones. I'm telling you, big personality, big personality coming
Speaker 1: in here. Yeah. Well, I'm excited that. You know again,
Speaker 1: you know, this captain team needed to cornerback. I'm just
Speaker 1: kind of going through, uh the notes here, the people
Speaker 1: tweeting in here on at the Draft show. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: it seemed very happy about the pick of Byron Jones,
Speaker 1: telling him welcome to Dallas, all those things. Greg Bailey said,
Speaker 1: I called it Byron Jones. You remember discussion of my
Speaker 1: question on the show. I'm sure we'll get a lot
Speaker 1: of folks that the revisionist history. But I think great
Speaker 1: congratulations though, if in fact made that call, I think
Speaker 1: without the Draft show, uh, we might be who knows
Speaker 1: what the reaction might be, but I think you know,
Speaker 1: we've done a good job talking about this players as
Speaker 1: a likely possibility. Yeah, and and again thank you everybody.
Speaker 1: It's kind of followed along with us. Uh. We still
Speaker 1: got picks to be made to finish out this round
Speaker 1: Detroit again, if I could just recap going up to
Speaker 1: let me go up to there was a trade by
Speaker 1: Denver UH to Detroit at twenty three to grab Shane Ray.
Speaker 1: Arizona then took DJ Humphreys. Carol line of followed up
Speaker 1: with Shack Thompson, and then Baltimore took Brichade Perriman and
Speaker 1: the wide receiver from Centralorida. And then that left the
Speaker 1: Cowboys with Byron Jones, who we've been talking about. Denver
Speaker 1: now back excume me Detroit back in the round with
Speaker 1: Denver's pick, and they take Lake and Tomlinson the guard
Speaker 1: from Duke. And so now it means that the Indianapolis
Speaker 1: Colts would be on the clock, Dane thinking about maybe receiver. Here,
Speaker 1: you're I think with the Colts. I think all along
Speaker 1: we've been thinking secondary, maybe pass rush. But I'm with
Speaker 1: you on receiver. I'm with you on maybe adding some
Speaker 1: speed here. Yeah, I don't disagree with you at all,
Speaker 1: right there, I really and for a team that has
Speaker 1: are already on the roster t Y Hilton, plenty of
Speaker 1: speed right there. They drafted the old mis receiver last
Speaker 1: year early, but they could go receiver again here. You
Speaker 1: want to get Andrew luck weapons. You want to be
Speaker 1: able to surround him with playmakers. Perriman's off the board,
Speaker 1: Oglers off the board, thinking Phil Dorset here, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that you're talking about and they've and and this
Speaker 1: this team has a history of taking Miami receivers. If
Speaker 1: if you go back and look at and I know, uh,
Speaker 1: Reggie Wayne one of the greatest ever to to to
Speaker 1: lace him up there for the Colts. Uh, this is
Speaker 1: a kid when you talk about and and I love
Speaker 1: or set for the reason of he plays to his speed.
Speaker 1: He is a guy when you watch him run, when
Speaker 1: you watch him run those routes, he plays to his speed.
Speaker 1: And that's that's impressive. That that and and you see
Speaker 1: him when he gets a ball in his hands, he's
Speaker 1: gonna he's gonna run through tackles. He's gonna also, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, separate. This is a really an outstanding, outstanding player.
Speaker 1: We've seen a little run on receivers here. If this
Speaker 1: is who we think it could be talking about what
Speaker 1: six receivers now, well, if you go back and look
Speaker 1: at it started really with Davante Parker at Miami at fourteen.
Speaker 1: Then you had uh Aguilar at Philadelphia twenty and then
Speaker 1: now Perryman at twenty six, and potentially if you if
Speaker 1: you are right, Dane uh, Philip Tor said, and I
Speaker 1: see I see nothing but but positive about him as
Speaker 1: a as a receipt again, I love I love the player.
Speaker 1: I love the way he plays with a chip. I
Speaker 1: think he's got a little bit of one of Miami.
Speaker 1: Those kids, they've all got the swagger. Of course we've
Speaker 1: all known that. But this kid, man, you throw it
Speaker 1: to him and he is going to get it done.
Speaker 1: He can fly, there's no about. Yeah. He worries me somewhat.
Speaker 1: Um can he stay healthy? Uh? He worries me a
Speaker 1: little smaller guy. The ball skills are okay, yeah, they're
Speaker 1: not great, they're not horrible. So but but for a
Speaker 1: guy that runs that fast and you're talking about potentially
Speaker 1: down here at down here at at twenty nine, you know,
Speaker 1: I think that that's where you know you have to
Speaker 1: you start thinking, okay, waters, are we gonna get a
Speaker 1: shot at this guy in the second round? You know,
Speaker 1: is that that's where you start now having to u
Speaker 1: educate yourself of Okay, we're not gonna get this guy
Speaker 1: in the second round. We gotta hit this pick right now.
Speaker 1: I thought I thought Door set at thirty one of
Speaker 1: the scenes that would be the pick, but maybe not.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna run Due TV real quick. Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: leave you this tweet from Des Bryant, who said that
Speaker 1: Byron Jones he better be a dog. I'm sure. I'm
Speaker 1: sure Byron Jones will be happy to you. Guys. Let
Speaker 1: me to run anybody in Nick Keeping or anybody. Now,
Speaker 1: we're good, Okay, we'll finish this guy's go. Yeah, thank
Speaker 1: you so much, man, I appreciate that. Steve Dennis from
Speaker 1: our television department. Uh, Dame Brugler again joining you here
Speaker 1: with me finishing out this draft. We've only got uh,
Speaker 1: let's see four more picks to be made. Uh, the
Speaker 1: Indianapolis Colts or on the clock, we were trying to
Speaker 1: speculate who they potentially could take. Let's focus ahead. Maybe
Speaker 1: Green Bay would be the next pick at thirty. You
Speaker 1: talked about Randall quite a bit. Well, and could this
Speaker 1: be You've talked about him potentially as a first round
Speaker 1: type of a talent, and here I am. I mocked
Speaker 1: him as a sixty. My gut tells me I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna be right about that at all. Well, and one
Speaker 1: of my quote unquote bold predictions was Damarius Randall would
Speaker 1: be the first safety drafted and in the first round. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we we're running out of picks here, We'll see.
Speaker 1: I'm not feeling good about my Bryce Petty. Okay, okay, Well,
Speaker 1: Garrison was telling me we're about to go to the Prescott.
Speaker 1: Ready to go? Now, we're okay. In about one minute,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go and hear from Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones,
Speaker 1: probably Jason Garrett, all gonna talk to us about Byron
Speaker 1: Jones and where they had him on the board. I'm
Speaker 1: sure Gary will gonna be Jerry will be very giddy
Speaker 1: and happy. I'm sure we'll hear all the great things
Speaker 1: from Jason Garrett about the right kind of guy. Okay,
Speaker 1: can't we got The Colts selection is coming up right now,
Speaker 1: so let's go to the Colts. The Indianapolis Colts select
Speaker 1: Philip dors Here we go, six wide receiver off the board. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and a player that heck, if you're the Colts, you're
Speaker 1: just put speed out there. Let Andrew luck, you know,
Speaker 1: distribute the rock and uh, good luck and good thing
Speaker 1: to Tuck. The Texans drafted Kevin Johnson because they're gonna
Speaker 1: need all the corners they could they can use to
Speaker 1: cover these guys. And look look at port Jacory Shephard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this and we were there that we were watching We're
Speaker 1: watching Senior Bowl, uh tape right now, and yeah, he was.
Speaker 1: You could definitely see the separation blurs. I was. I
Speaker 1: was sitting with Bucky Brooks, h with the you know,
Speaker 1: with the NFL networking, Bucky old former scout, and he
Speaker 1: and I were talking. He goes, he was broad, has
Speaker 1: you ever seen this kid? I said, no, I don't
Speaker 1: know much about him, and I was just getting into
Speaker 1: the draft and he goes, watch this kid run, and
Speaker 1: it was there was some serious separation. Honestly, I gave
Speaker 1: him a second third round grade. I did because I
Speaker 1: worry about a lot of things, the ball skills, that
Speaker 1: worry about him staying healthy. But with that speed, I
Speaker 1: understand why you're taking him late first round. Absolutely, well,
Speaker 1: I was. I was luckily I had him in the
Speaker 1: second round. And again you're looking for guys at this
Speaker 1: point at the end. This guy's got a lot of
Speaker 1: talent and he does. So. All right, we go forward
Speaker 1: now to h with the thirtieth pick with the Green
Speaker 1: Bay Packers, and I you as one of your five.
Speaker 1: You mentioned that you talked about Randall safety. It's being
Speaker 1: when the first safe first round. Yeah, and I think
Speaker 1: that's when we talk about Randall. I think we could
Speaker 1: be talking. We talked about a player that's in the
Speaker 1: nickel can play corner. And for the Packers, I think
Speaker 1: that versatility is awfully intriguing. They have a need a corner,
Speaker 1: they need some depth there. Yeah, I think you know,
Speaker 1: this makes some sense. We could look at linebacker here
Speaker 1: for them, Malcolm Brown still on the board, defensive tackle
Speaker 1: right if you look, let me just read I'm scrolling
Speaker 1: up to the team needs here for the Green Bay Packers.
Speaker 1: But safety seem one. And again, that was a team
Speaker 1: that I got to study at the end of the
Speaker 1: year because of the playoff game, and it seemed to
Speaker 1: me that the Packers, we're thinking about. So let's go
Speaker 1: to the press conference for the announcement. Damn goose quiet
Speaker 1: in here. Okay, we'll be short with our statements and
Speaker 1: then basically go questions more than anything. But we've got
Speaker 1: a guy here that we probably knew as much about
Speaker 1: as anybody in the draft. Pascaloni coach team, and we
Speaker 1: had scout that knew his position, coaches and spent a
Speaker 1: lot of time with him. So we felt real good
Speaker 1: about our evaluation of Byron and h and I'm talking
Speaker 1: about the evaluation of him as a player. He did
Speaker 1: play two years at safety as well as his uh
Speaker 1: what he can do at a corner, so that was
Speaker 1: pretty prominent in our decision to take him. Stephen, Well,
Speaker 1: I just think, uh, you know, at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, I think, you know, our work paid off.
Speaker 1: I think we, you know, had really done our work
Speaker 1: on this. We knew it was gonna be a long
Speaker 1: wait when you're down at twenty seven, and uh, but
Speaker 1: we felt really good about what might happen for us.
Speaker 1: And you know, we're trying to get linked in the
Speaker 1: secondary and uh, obviously he fits that. And uh he's
Speaker 1: a really good football player, a really good person, both
Speaker 1: on and off the field, great character and obviously think
Speaker 1: we made a good, solid pick here. Yeah, certainly the
Speaker 1: right kind of guy, A guy who is just a
Speaker 1: really impressive football player. He showed that as a starter
Speaker 1: for two years at safety and then starting a corner
Speaker 1: for two years. Productive player, a guy who plays the
Speaker 1: right way, a guy that has a tremendous amount of
Speaker 1: potential but also has a chance to play early because
Speaker 1: of his athletic ability, his versatility, and Frank's experience. So
Speaker 1: we spent a lot of time with him. Coach Pasqualone
Speaker 1: coached him, and we got an up close view of
Speaker 1: him from our conversations with him and had a chance
Speaker 1: to bring him in here, had great visits with him,
Speaker 1: We worked him out, spent a lot of time with him.
Speaker 1: We think he's going to be a good football player.
Speaker 1: Was a hard waiting and then seeing if he was
Speaker 1: in a ball Were there any moments where he thought
Speaker 1: he could go here or to jovin pretty good intelligence
Speaker 1: that he would be there at twenty seven for you, No,
Speaker 1: we did not have any intelligence had made us think
Speaker 1: he'd be there at all, And it was hard waiting
Speaker 1: for sure and h but uh it it worked out
Speaker 1: for us. I think we were fortunate for when you
Speaker 1: put in the crosshairs our team needs the type player
Speaker 1: is our coaches. Not only did his coaches, but our
Speaker 1: coaches were particularly on the table for him throughout our
Speaker 1: evaluation process. All position coaches I'm talking, did you ever
Speaker 1: get anty and think about moving up for him or
Speaker 1: I mean because he was falling or coming to you
Speaker 1: ever get a point where you wanted to need to
Speaker 1: move up for him? Uh, there's an urge. There's an
Speaker 1: urge as you as you watch twenty six other players
Speaker 1: roll out there. Uh, there there is an urge. But
Speaker 1: that is the art of of the process of so
Speaker 1: to speak, to use your word, but seriously, there that's
Speaker 1: the anxiety that is involved there. Uh. We didn't really
Speaker 1: see a lot of trading possibilities, but we certainly we're
Speaker 1: keeping our eyes open in case a real bargain had
Speaker 1: come along. Regarding a trade consideration at all, we didn't
Speaker 1: we uh have him, had him rated high on our board,
Speaker 1: but we also uh from the get go have pinpointed
Speaker 1: if we could not reach for a player, but if
Speaker 1: we could find a player, uh with Hardy having brought
Speaker 1: in Hearty, but if we could find a player that
Speaker 1: could potentially be a corner that if we get Claybourne
Speaker 1: back we are anticipating and hopeful that could also be
Speaker 1: a free safety and an excellent free safety. Then that
Speaker 1: was the ideal fit. As far as the position to
Speaker 1: draft for us, there was no question and so uh
Speaker 1: we we were never tempted to do anything moving around
Speaker 1: to do anything about any other player up there. Uh,
Speaker 1: especially the player you're talking about there. And then when
Speaker 1: we were able to get the player that we really wanted,
Speaker 1: the position that we wanted, then that made that non
Speaker 1: consideration to get it done. No, lords, we waited on
Speaker 1: a chance to see if we were going to be
Speaker 1: able to get this corner safety. We talk about paying
Speaker 1: his ability to do both. Yeah. Again, a lot of
Speaker 1: times will take a player and you'll project him to
Speaker 1: another position, say he has the physical traits to go
Speaker 1: be this. Uh, he has the physical traits to go
Speaker 1: play safe. He even though he's played corner of the
Speaker 1: last couple of years. But what gives us a lot
Speaker 1: of confidences you see him play free safety for two
Speaker 1: years as a starter. They had two real good corners
Speaker 1: when he was a young player coming into school there,
Speaker 1: so they wanted to get him out on the field,
Speaker 1: and he played safety. So you see that tape. You
Speaker 1: like what you see on that tape as a young player.
Speaker 1: So I do believe it's a realistic projection for him
Speaker 1: to play corner in this league and also played free
Speaker 1: safety in this league. He has the athletic ability, he
Speaker 1: has the experience, and you know, he's one of those
Speaker 1: guys that you really thinks a great upside the first
Speaker 1: tournament one or the other as a rookie. We'll have
Speaker 1: those conversations. We do anticipate him starting out as a
Speaker 1: cornerback and then depending on how the health of the
Speaker 1: secondary is, you know, the opportunity to move him to
Speaker 1: safety is certainly realistic. And you know, again Mo Claiborne
Speaker 1: someone who's worked very hard or hopefully he can come
Speaker 1: back and get to the level he's that we think
Speaker 1: he's capable of playing at. And again, his flexibility, his
Speaker 1: letic ability, his experience, talking about Byron Jones, gives you
Speaker 1: a chance to play a couple different spots. Us he
Speaker 1: had this crazy broad jump, but the combine recrup did
Speaker 1: that jump out of you all did on June when
Speaker 1: he did that the combine, I mean, did he he
Speaker 1: kind of popped out, but that's one of the reasons
Speaker 1: you go to the combine. You want to see these
Speaker 1: guys move around. You want to see him run, you
Speaker 1: want to see him jump, you want to see him
Speaker 1: change direction, And certainly that was something that was very impressive.
Speaker 1: Not only was the broad jump great, but the vertical
Speaker 1: leap was outstanding. But we also thought the movement was
Speaker 1: really good. So he had an impressive combine workout. But
Speaker 1: let's go back to his experience as a player, to
Speaker 1: your starter safety, to your starter at corner. This is
Speaker 1: not a workout warrior that we drafted. We drafted a
Speaker 1: football player we really think plays the right way and
Speaker 1: as a chance to really develop and a couple of
Speaker 1: different spots for us, you have him as a verst
Speaker 1: round great inquire to Toma. We don't get into our grade,
Speaker 1: but he was certainly in our top fifteen sixteen players
Speaker 1: on the board. Stephen, after seeing how this first round way,
Speaker 1: obviously you know you can't really reject he's going to
Speaker 1: fall to twenty seven. But does it give me confidence
Speaker 1: going intomorrow that you know some guys might slip to
Speaker 1: you guys there, Yeah, I think it does I think
Speaker 1: we talked about it, and I think this was going
Speaker 1: to be the hardest part of the draft. I think
Speaker 1: once you get into the you know, you get into
Speaker 1: the second round, you know, the opinions start to vary
Speaker 1: in terms of what people want and what fits their
Speaker 1: systems and that type of thing. And I think there's
Speaker 1: a better chance that, you know, some of the guys
Speaker 1: that we think might really work for us, that we
Speaker 1: have on our board, I think it gets easier to
Speaker 1: feel like they may come to you where we're sitting.
Speaker 1: So I do think and I think we thought coming
Speaker 1: in here that this would be the toughest part of
Speaker 1: it is waiting, you know, when everybody has a lot
Speaker 1: of these gays sorted pretty similar in the first fifteen picks,
Speaker 1: and then you start to see some variations. But you know,
Speaker 1: I think from here on out, uh, you know, we
Speaker 1: could see some guys that will feel really good about
Speaker 1: and maybe not have to sweat as much. Maybe we're
Speaker 1: choosing between two or three gas. You mend your mold.
Speaker 1: How does this decision affect the opening decision you have
Speaker 1: in the situation you have with car and Scan? How
Speaker 1: does bringing on Jones It is not it does not.
Speaker 1: We were so fortunate last year to play and have
Speaker 1: car and Scandric and without Mold not to have had
Speaker 1: an injury there. With our corners, this was the closest
Speaker 1: thing to a position that we thought we could get
Speaker 1: in trouble with was our corner. The next thing that
Speaker 1: we thought we could improve the defense as much as
Speaker 1: any place and do some things we haven't done, is
Speaker 1: to have a free safety type roaming so to speak,
Speaker 1: that you really would think of a free safety. So
Speaker 1: a combination of things happened here. It really did address
Speaker 1: some pretty dire circumstances numbers at corner, but it also
Speaker 1: allows us to possibly do some things at safety. So
Speaker 1: it had two or three things. The most important thing
Speaker 1: is that we thought we could live if we didn't
Speaker 1: strike well at pass rusher. We thought in this draft
Speaker 1: I'm talking about, we thought we could live if we
Speaker 1: didn't strike well at running back, A place where we
Speaker 1: did not think that we would feel good in sleep, right,
Speaker 1: is if we didn't do something there in our secondary
Speaker 1: at corner in case Clayburn doesn't come back. But also
Speaker 1: at the same time, maybe give us a chance to
Speaker 1: do something special for our defense at free safety. The
Speaker 1: option the moment, the free safety, you're comfortable, you feel
Speaker 1: good about Carl scanneron being on his team next year, Well,
Speaker 1: I they're on the team, and when I when you
Speaker 1: say I feel good, they're they're certainly on our team
Speaker 1: and as it sits right now, we uh plan on
Speaker 1: them being a part of the team in the future.
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones, Jason Garrett walks you through what they feel
Speaker 1: like with Byron Jones, his strengths, where he was positioned
Speaker 1: on the board. Anything surprised you dained As far as
Speaker 1: talking about him potentially playing He'll start off as a corner,
Speaker 1: possibly a playing safety, you know, Jason Garrett talked about that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we both believe he was drafted to be
Speaker 1: a corner. But having that versatility to play safety if
Speaker 1: needed is just a bonus it gives you. And that's
Speaker 1: why versatility we talk about it. It's more than just
Speaker 1: a buzzword. It's it's something that these coaches really buy into.
Speaker 1: If you have a chance to have a player that
Speaker 1: gives you value at another position. In case Avenger, who
Speaker 1: knows how the secondary will play out. But for Byron Jones,
Speaker 1: a player, I think we both think his futures at corner,
Speaker 1: but if something happens at safety, that could be the
Speaker 1: direction he goes. Yeah, and that's I totally agree with
Speaker 1: you on that. You know, the I just like the
Speaker 1: size of the player. I like that. Yeah. The athletic
Speaker 1: ability is rare when you look at all the things
Speaker 1: that Byron Jones uh does uh, you know when you
Speaker 1: talk about working out and things like that, I think too.
Speaker 1: You know, Bill Jones even brought up the uh, the
Speaker 1: the thought of him eighteen times with the shoulder. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's a very positive sign. Definitely that you
Speaker 1: would you would not if you're coming off a shoulder
Speaker 1: and all that. Usually those defensive backs shy away from
Speaker 1: that that you know, they'll they'll do anything in their
Speaker 1: power to keep from having to do anything's bench press wise,
Speaker 1: and the fact that he stepped up and was able
Speaker 1: to show the scouts something I worried with Kevin Johnson, right,
Speaker 1: he chose not to do the bench press the combine,
Speaker 1: chose not to do it at the prode. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: so now you have those questions, you know, but I
Speaker 1: think that when you look at the fit and you know,
Speaker 1: it was it was very clear though, uh, that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys once they saw the board. I was a little
Speaker 1: nervous myself at sixteen when and you rightfully so uh
Speaker 1: predicted Kevin Johnson would be a Houston Texan that, okay,
Speaker 1: would the Cowboys have to be aggressive here? And if
Speaker 1: you look at the picks, only Marcus Peters who the Cowboys?
Speaker 1: We don't know. We'll eventually find out. I'll find out.
Speaker 1: You'll find out either had him on the board or
Speaker 1: off the board. And my guests would be that of
Speaker 1: their first round grades that that Wayne's Johnson and then
Speaker 1: Jones would be the guys that they that they were
Speaker 1: looking at at at the cornerback spot. And so you know,
Speaker 1: as soon as, like you said, when the corner started
Speaker 1: coming off the board and the teens at twenty that's
Speaker 1: when you start really sweating it. And you know they
Speaker 1: resisted the urge to go up and get that player.
Speaker 1: They waited it out, and you know what, it's a risk,
Speaker 1: but it's a risk that paid off for this team
Speaker 1: getting their guy at twenty seven. Well, and and we
Speaker 1: will go through, uh, some of the picks that have
Speaker 1: been made. While the press conference was going on, we
Speaker 1: talked about Lake and Tomlinson. The went to the Detroit Lions.
Speaker 1: The guard from Duke, first Duke player picked in the
Speaker 1: first round since nineteen forty two? How about that? Anyway,
Speaker 1: after that would be Philip Dorsett went to went to
Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Colts, the wide receiver from University of Miami.
Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers took and I thought it was an
Speaker 1: unusual pick here de Marius Randall, the safety from Arizona State.
Speaker 1: Starting to hear some things that Randall potentially couldn't back
Speaker 1: here for the Green Bay Packers. Your thoughts on that
Speaker 1: we talked about all along him being probably a nickel
Speaker 1: corner to begin his career. You see that type of athleticism. Um,
Speaker 1: and I get it, and I certainly understand if that's
Speaker 1: what the Packers plan on doing. I think he can
Speaker 1: help out right away as a nickel. So I like
Speaker 1: the pick. And uh, it's something that I think were
Speaker 1: not really a shock. You thought maybe the Packers were
Speaker 1: gonna go secondary there. So Damarius Randall, it's a good
Speaker 1: pick for Green Bay. Yeah it is. And and that
Speaker 1: was the same that was a guy that I mocked to, uh,
Speaker 1: the to the the Cowboys in the second round. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it was kind of that Nick Eatman joining us, Now,
Speaker 1: what's up, guys? Now? What is we got a secret
Speaker 1: call coming in or something? That secret call. But he's
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna call soon. I know, I'm he's
Speaker 1: supposed to. Okay, about five minutes. Okay, okay, Ken Garrison
Speaker 1: tell us that he will be in five minutes. Uh.
Speaker 1: Talk about we were visiting about Byron Jones. We have
Speaker 1: our thoughts about what we saw on tape at Connecticut,
Speaker 1: Jason Eric Stephen Jones. Everybody had their opinion about him,
Speaker 1: some of the thoughts that you have about the particular pay.
Speaker 1: And again, I don't even dare to say that I
Speaker 1: study these guys anywhere close to what you guys are,
Speaker 1: but I'm just a little surprised when I hear about
Speaker 1: how much his versatility comes into play. I mean, I
Speaker 1: know he was playing corner, but they keep talking about
Speaker 1: how he could play safety. ACU just second, Nick, I
Speaker 1: think we're gonna go. This is the final pick of
Speaker 1: the round. This will be the new Super Bowl Chickpions
Speaker 1: NFL Draft. The new England Patriots select Malcolm bra You
Speaker 1: gotta ride defensive tackle. Okay, Commissioner Malcolm Brown, the defensive
Speaker 1: tackle from the University of Texas or some people thought
Speaker 1: that maybe the Cowboys at twenty seven would have been
Speaker 1: consideration there. I see him as a one technique. That
Speaker 1: kind of takes him out of the loop. As far
Speaker 1: as those guys when they say, you know, we I've
Speaker 1: learned my lesson, you know with Sharif Floyd and saying
Speaker 1: he could play at three, I think these guys probably
Speaker 1: see Malcolm Brown playing as a one technique. So Malcolm
Speaker 1: Brown is a New England Patriot. Uh. That means the
Speaker 1: first round has come to an end. The start time
Speaker 1: of the of the round seven h six pm Central
Speaker 1: Standard Time and ends at ten thirty pm, So first
Speaker 1: round over within the books. But we talk about again
Speaker 1: getting back into the versatility with and you guys, I
Speaker 1: know you guys knew that he uh you know, has
Speaker 1: played safety there, but it just sounds like to them
Speaker 1: it's not just something that he's done. But but you know,
Speaker 1: if car and Clayborne come back and Standard's back, that
Speaker 1: if he's better than Wilcox, there's a chance he can
Speaker 1: get on the field right away and play play safety.
Speaker 1: He actually has more starts in college at safety than
Speaker 1: a corner. So a player that you do see the versatility,
Speaker 1: and I think we all agree that you like him.
Speaker 1: We like him at corner to start off, Yes, but yeah,
Speaker 1: that versatility is just still clutch. And that's why it's
Speaker 1: such a high value player because you don't you know,
Speaker 1: you have that option depending on durability during injuries, something
Speaker 1: can happen at safety. You can do that if you want.
Speaker 1: This This is a team is starting to be built
Speaker 1: on flexibility. This is a team it's starting to how
Speaker 1: many guys can play tackle or guard or center or
Speaker 1: guard whatever it matters. I mean, how many guys can
Speaker 1: do other things, and especially on defense. If you look
Speaker 1: example with Hitchens and what he was able to do
Speaker 1: last year and how he played all three linebacker spots.
Speaker 1: And now you're talking about guys, here's Byron Jones. You
Speaker 1: look at single high safety stuff. They could take Wilcox
Speaker 1: off the field, put Barry Church down in the box,
Speaker 1: let him cover. But you say, if you if, even if,
Speaker 1: even if Byron Jones is not when you're corners on
Speaker 1: the field, you put him at the safety spot. You
Speaker 1: know you can get you could get a lot of
Speaker 1: guys covering on the field. And I just got a
Speaker 1: chance to talk to take Jason Garrett after the with
Speaker 1: the press conference, we were walking back. I guess they
Speaker 1: were going to the war room, and I asked him
Speaker 1: about how tricky it can be with the verse until
Speaker 1: guys like that. Tyrone Crawford was one where it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know he could play this, you could play that,
Speaker 1: and he ends up not even you know, excelling in
Speaker 1: one craft. I've seen that with Wilbur a little bit.
Speaker 1: So he said that can be dangerous, but it is
Speaker 1: good to get him on the field. Quicker. Look at
Speaker 1: Zack Martin last year, we all thought Zack Martin would
Speaker 1: play guard and then move out to tackle. They just said, no,
Speaker 1: Zack Martin is a guard. Yeah, he's just gonna play.
Speaker 1: But the option is there, you know, that versatility, having
Speaker 1: that flexibility, that flexibility, that key word there and real quick.
Speaker 1: We just finished the first round. Some guys that are
Speaker 1: still available on the board, Randy Gregory player. We talked
Speaker 1: to the possibility TJ. Clemmings the tackle. We both like
Speaker 1: Ronald Darby a corner O Diggy zooa pass rusher. We
Speaker 1: like Royal Green, Beckham Landon Collins, Eric Kendricks, Eric row
Speaker 1: So a lot of good players still on the board
Speaker 1: to start the second round tomorrow. I'll tell you what
Speaker 1: Jack went. Check Jack tooms Carolina. Carolina did And again
Speaker 1: that was where that that point of the draft where
Speaker 1: you know you looked at uh Carolina, Baltimore, teams like that, Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: If bud Dupre doesn't slide down that board, I think
Speaker 1: that Dallas loses a shot to draft Byron Jones. To
Speaker 1: be honest with you here, I think they go ahead
Speaker 1: and they say we're gonna take a corner who potentially
Speaker 1: could play safety and that kind of thing. And that's
Speaker 1: why the drafts so fascinating, because one pick has a
Speaker 1: ripple effect that changes everything down the line. So if
Speaker 1: one pick is different in the top twenty, then maybe
Speaker 1: bud Dupre goes earlier, Byron Jones goes twenty two to
Speaker 1: the Steelers, and then who knows what's at twenty seven
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys. So that the draft is so fascinating,
Speaker 1: even when you look at pass drafts how it could
Speaker 1: have played out. Um and so, but the first rounds
Speaker 1: in the books Byron Jones and the Cowboy Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was obviously I was missing some of the picture. Carl
Speaker 1: Davis did he go No, No, he did not. He's
Speaker 1: still he's still on the board, on the board. Yeah there,
Speaker 1: there's get real high on him. Dane's absolutely second round
Speaker 1: player to him. Yeah, it's solid. There's some guys like
Speaker 1: like say, I had myself the unfortunate one, and Dane
Speaker 1: and I were talking, they're into press conference, Collins the
Speaker 1: LSU kid, not able to a first round player on
Speaker 1: a lot of boards, then all of a sudden the
Speaker 1: unfortunate news probably exactly. So yeah to me, you know,
Speaker 1: when you talk the two guys that I had in
Speaker 1: my own first round and looking at my board, Clemmings
Speaker 1: and Collins were the only two first round guys that
Speaker 1: did not get selected by anybody. The lowest ranking player
Speaker 1: I had was Lake and Tomlinson, the guard from and
Speaker 1: I think Dane, you and I agreed that he was
Speaker 1: a third round guy. So we're gonna get We're gonna
Speaker 1: get Barne Jones here in a little bit and have
Speaker 1: a chance to visit with him. Though, But the cowboys
Speaker 1: talk about if you would, you know, they sat there,
Speaker 1: they trusted what was going to happen. They didn't panic.
Speaker 1: He saw Jerry on some of the warm camp stuff.
Speaker 1: Nick he was. He was working the notes pretty hard.
Speaker 1: He was trying to figure out where he needed to
Speaker 1: be and just in case they had to go. Todd
Speaker 1: Williams out of PACIFICA to his right, talking to them,
Speaker 1: trying to get the numbers right. Will McClay everybody saying, hey,
Speaker 1: maybe we need to go. But Stephen Jones seemed to
Speaker 1: be a very calming voice in that room. Maybe Hey,
Speaker 1: let's just sit down and let this thing happen and
Speaker 1: see what happened and how it plays out. And they
Speaker 1: had said that that. You know, you heard Jerry just
Speaker 1: say corner was the one position that they probably wouldn't
Speaker 1: have been that comfortable with if they didn't get so
Speaker 1: I think this is as close to a need pick
Speaker 1: going into it as they've ever had. And so, you know,
Speaker 1: not to the point to move up, but at least
Speaker 1: to sit there and not try to move back. I
Speaker 1: think the question is if he's gone, who do they take?
Speaker 1: Do they try to move I think Gregory would have
Speaker 1: probably been yeah, I think that I look and looking
Speaker 1: back at what I had mocked, and Gregory was one
Speaker 1: pick away from making it. He made it to them.
Speaker 1: But the fact that Jones was there, I do believe
Speaker 1: that was a no brainer for them. I don't think
Speaker 1: you thought Jones would be there. No, I didn't. No,
Speaker 1: I did. And we actually did a little mock draft
Speaker 1: before we came on the air, and it was a
Speaker 1: much a wiped out situation and it was Ray. You
Speaker 1: know that was taken at that point in time. You know,
Speaker 1: we were trying to weigh who would be I mean,
Speaker 1: we're just having a little fun, like, Okay, who's gonna
Speaker 1: be there when Dal's picks, you know, and we talked
Speaker 1: about Ray. I think it's really important to point out,
Speaker 1: you know, and you guys cover the draft, your draft experts,
Speaker 1: the Mike Mayocks and and Mike Shay' that's what they do.
Speaker 1: And then they rate players generally, right, but but you'll
Speaker 1: find and a guy like Anthony Hitchins last year and
Speaker 1: probably in this case. You know, these guys are rated
Speaker 1: for their own team, like Anthony Hitchins would fit this team,
Speaker 1: didn't matter what Mike Mayock thinks Hitchens would be. What
Speaker 1: what Byron Jones? And so uh Tomlinson from you know Thomson,
Speaker 1: you're generally he's second and third round. But but you know,
Speaker 1: the Lions are like we get Warford, we get Tomlinson.
Speaker 1: You know, I have a plan for him. So it's
Speaker 1: it's great to look at this, but at the same time,
Speaker 1: teams look at it and a guy like Marion Elly
Speaker 1: says he will fit what we're doing, maybe more than generally,
Speaker 1: he would fit absolutely, And that's yeah, from the outsiders
Speaker 1: looking in, that's that's a tough thing because, yeah, you
Speaker 1: don't have a specific team or scheme fit that you're
Speaker 1: projecting these guys to scouting them for. So for Byron Jones, though,
Speaker 1: I scouted him best and I put this in my
Speaker 1: in my profile on him under the summary, Uh, he's
Speaker 1: best as a press corner. I think that's what that's
Speaker 1: what he projects best in the NFL. I think that's
Speaker 1: what he will succeed at. And I think that's what
Speaker 1: he could be here for the for the Cowboys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just to me, I I was just so impressed
Speaker 1: with how physical he was and you know, and Jerry
Speaker 1: even talked about it. You know, how well he moves.
Speaker 1: You know that Jason Garret believes as well, but how
Speaker 1: he was able to you know, stay in position, move.
Speaker 1: You don't see a lot of wasted motion with this guy.
Speaker 1: He's always in phase with the receiver. And that's something
Speaker 1: that you see a lot of these corners get beat,
Speaker 1: but not Byron Jones. And and what I love about
Speaker 1: Byron Jones, it doesn't matter if the receiver is you know,
Speaker 1: five to nine and runs a four to three or
Speaker 1: six four and he's a little slower. He can cover
Speaker 1: any type of receiver, which not you can't say that
Speaker 1: about every single corner. Was he a senior broll guy?
Speaker 1: He was. He was invited, but the shoulder, his shoulder,
Speaker 1: he could not participate in it. And the senior captain,
Speaker 1: all those intangibles check those boxes absolutely. You know ad
Speaker 1: Jason's first words out of his mouth, right kind of guy? Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: it's absolutely right kind of guy. Okay, we're gonna do this.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take take a little break right here. Ken's
Speaker 1: giving me the thumbs up on a break. So let's
Speaker 1: take a little break here and then and hopefully we
Speaker 1: will come back and we will have the newest member
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Speaker 1: and fl Draft on Jella's We are back on the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys Draft show. Brian brought us, Nick Eatman and
Speaker 1: Dame Bruger from CBS Sports. We are joined on the
Speaker 1: line by the newest member of the Dallas Cowboys, Byron Jones. Byron,
Speaker 1: welcome to our program. Thank you so much. You gotta
Speaker 1: be happy to be here. Well, you looked extremely excited
Speaker 1: there when that when that card was handed in hugs
Speaker 1: and all around. So tell us a little bit about
Speaker 1: your thoughts. So you had a chance to visit here
Speaker 1: in Dallas, so you have a little bit of understanding
Speaker 1: of what you're getting into though, But just talk about
Speaker 1: the the emotion of not just with the Cowboys, but
Speaker 1: really the whole night. It's been great, you know you
Speaker 1: just spending the time with my family. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: you really can't put into words what that means to
Speaker 1: me and my parents. We've done a great job raising
Speaker 1: I'm hanging for four so I'm the final when to
Speaker 1: leave the house for the final want to lead a nest.
Speaker 1: So I'm just happy. I'm more happy for thumb than
Speaker 1: anything they've done. Just a great job. Anything to make
Speaker 1: them happy, man, that really makes my day. Well, Byron,
Speaker 1: welcome to Dallas. I know and I hear yet, but
Speaker 1: welcome to the Dallas Cowboys. And I talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about you know, corners are supposed to have, you know,
Speaker 1: bad memories. You you're supposed to forget about the last play,
Speaker 1: and so yeah, well was this what you know? Was it?
Speaker 1: Obviously was probably you're getting antsy, you know and seeing
Speaker 1: other guys go. But but now that it's done, you
Speaker 1: have that bad memory and now you're you're focused on
Speaker 1: being a cowboy. Oh yeah, I'm so focused on being
Speaker 1: a kind of boy. I can't wait to just come
Speaker 1: in and prove myself. Now I haven't done anything yet.
Speaker 1: I'm a doubt with cowboy, but I haven't really proved
Speaker 1: myself yet. So I really can't wait. It's going and
Speaker 1: gaining the respect from the team, the coaches, so they
Speaker 1: so they're reassorted that they made a good teas And Byron,
Speaker 1: you have experience at corner and you have experience at safety.
Speaker 1: Do you prefer one position over the other? Is there?
Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite position out there? I might
Speaker 1: say I didn't do it the cornerback position, you know,
Speaker 1: with my size and my frame, I think I used
Speaker 1: it pretty well on the outside, but playing pretty safety
Speaker 1: my freshman sophomore year was great. I think it's a
Speaker 1: it's a close one. I put you know, it looks
Speaker 1: like I'll be going corning but wherever they want to
Speaker 1: put some movie. Happy to Go. Joined here by Byron Jones,
Speaker 1: the newest member of the Dallas Cowboys. Uh, the very
Speaker 1: talented cornerback from the University of Connecticut. Byron. You know,
Speaker 1: Dane asked you a question about comfort and and you
Speaker 1: know you play corner You got the skills to do that.
Speaker 1: You've played some safety in your life, can you When
Speaker 1: you came to Dallas. Obviously you met with Joe Baker,
Speaker 1: like the safety's coach, and then with Jerome Henderson. Though
Speaker 1: did they meet with you together or did they both
Speaker 1: take you into a room? And did they? And did
Speaker 1: they they kind of grill you on some things to
Speaker 1: try and get a little bit of a better feel
Speaker 1: of where you might fit. I think primarily I was
Speaker 1: in Bakers right. He was pretty much installing a defense,
Speaker 1: you know, and he wanted me to learn it in
Speaker 1: the scope of the safety. Um he knew in a
Speaker 1: cornerback position. I knew it pretty much that he wanted
Speaker 1: to see how much I knew at the safety position,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I think it's pretty impressive. Hey how much
Speaker 1: I remember? Oh? Sorry, sorry, Byron. Uh you know you
Speaker 1: just talked about a coach Baker. He's always smiling, but
Speaker 1: I just saw him a few minutes ago and he's
Speaker 1: ecstatic right now. Okay, just to just to throw that
Speaker 1: out there, but but Jason Garrett also said in his
Speaker 1: press conference that he wanted to reiterate you are not
Speaker 1: considered a workout warrior. They didn't draft a guy that
Speaker 1: just had a world record jump at the Combine. They
Speaker 1: drafted a really good football player. Is that a guy
Speaker 1: you said? Is that something that you're trying to prove
Speaker 1: as well, that this is more than just what you
Speaker 1: did at the Combine? Oh? Definitely, and definitely, and um,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously they saw more than just a broad jump. Honestly,
Speaker 1: a broad jump doesn't do anything for you in football.
Speaker 1: You know, they saw the film, they saw what they
Speaker 1: were getting. Me intelligent, as athletic, I'm more than top players.
Speaker 1: So they were happy what they saw. So definitely, I'm
Speaker 1: in any case, I'm going to prove myself and I'm
Speaker 1: looking forward to doing that, and Byron, your coaching staff
Speaker 1: at Yukon just praised you about your leadership, your intangibles.
Speaker 1: Last summer you served an internship at the US Capital.
Speaker 1: Talk about what you bring to the Cowboys that maybe
Speaker 1: we won't see on the field, but we'll see in
Speaker 1: the locker room, or we won't see but in the
Speaker 1: locker room on the practice field. I talk about what
Speaker 1: you might bring to this team away from just what
Speaker 1: we see on Sundays. All right, it's a good character,
Speaker 1: you know, telling us always happy, enjoying life. Um, very
Speaker 1: optimistic question. So my outlook on life is very Barrett.
Speaker 1: I think I'm riding some schnology faces looking forward to that. Sure, well, Byron,
Speaker 1: I can do a little a little surprise with you here.
Speaker 1: You know, we've we've got something and we want to
Speaker 1: play for it. And you know, these are the things
Speaker 1: that we get, the fact that we're here with the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys and Dallas Cowboys dot Com and we're really
Speaker 1: excited about getting to know you. But we're gonna play
Speaker 1: you a little bit of secret audio that we got
Speaker 1: the conversation you had with Coach Garrett. So yeah, take
Speaker 1: a listen at this. Byron Jones Hey, how you doing
Speaker 1: glays in Garrett? Hey, congratulations, thank you, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for picking me. Man. A lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of excitement in this war room down here in Dallas.
Speaker 1: That's great, great, Well, you just made a hell of
Speaker 1: an impression out of him in so many different ways
Speaker 1: on the field, but maybe equally important the kind of
Speaker 1: guy you are. And we just can't wait to get
Speaker 1: you in here and get you to work. All right,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm looking forward to it. Good. I got
Speaker 1: Rod Marinelli right here, who wants to talk to you.
Speaker 1: But congratulations, thank you. You're ready to go to work. Yes,
Speaker 1: I am, you know it. Fantastic. Okay, here's Rod. Congratulations,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. Coach Marinelli. He said, how are
Speaker 1: you doing? Oh? Wow Marinelli? Coach Marinelli? Right, how are
Speaker 1: we doing there? Your voice? I'm doing great. I'm so
Speaker 1: happy you guys. Man. Our place is just as static.
Speaker 1: We've been on pins and needles here a full last
Speaker 1: five six picks. That's awesome. Good places up and running,
Speaker 1: and man, you're coming in and we couldn't we couldn't
Speaker 1: be happier to have a guy like so. Hey, congratulations, buddy,
Speaker 1: thank you. So March all right, Brian Sala, You're very
Speaker 1: happy about all the guys, you know, kind of greeting you,
Speaker 1: welcoming you to the Dallas Go always had to be
Speaker 1: a very special moment for you. Just kind of taking
Speaker 1: that all in right now. Oh yeah, overwhel