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Speaker 1: the book Leadership and Emotional Sabotage. Take us back to

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Speaker 1: why this is necessary? What does emotional sabotage have to

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Speaker 2: Of agitation and angst and turmoil and disruption? Everybody, I think,

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Speaker 2: the leaders who are meant to act as the shock

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Speaker 2: absorbers for society can easily begin to abdicate their responsibility

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Speaker 2: in churches, it happens in schools, and it happens in nations.

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Speaker 2: And so in that book, I'm seeking to kind of

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Speaker 2: diagnose that problem, What are its roots? Why do we

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Speaker 2: feel like we're sitting on this powder keg? And then

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Speaker 2: to offer solutions, what does it mean to be courageous?

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Speaker 2: And so reminded in the midst of this agitation And

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Speaker 2: the basic paradine I offer there is that we live

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Speaker 2: in a society that has become drunk on passions. Passions

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Speaker 2: are our emotions are immediate and instinctive emotions. When you

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Speaker 2: And our passions, we can become drunk on them, they

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Speaker 2: become in the driver's seat. And I instead want to

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Speaker 2: argue that one of the core virtues we have to

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Speaker 2: recover is sober mindedness. We need to be sober, We

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Speaker 2: we're ready to act, We're ready to lean in. We

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Speaker 2: don't advocate in our passive, but instead we step up

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Speaker 2: through and fulfill the responsibilities that God has given to us.

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Speaker 1: What has been the reaction of leaders, whether in the church,

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Speaker 1: the corporate world, education, or politics, to this book? Have

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Speaker 1: there been people who said, I didn't recognize I was

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Speaker 1: upon me. I disagree with you. What what have folks said?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this time I you know, you mentioned that

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Speaker 2: I mentioned I've written about eight books. Leadership and Emotional

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Speaker 2: would have no connection to otherwise. I'm a I'm a

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Speaker 2: and I know that cabinet secretaries, pastors of megachurches, uh,

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Speaker 2: to me the the places that this book has been

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Speaker 2: And it's a short book, it's only one hundred or

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Speaker 1: That is very interesting. Wow, as you begin a project

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Speaker 1: What is your time? I ask all authors this, So

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Speaker 1: Everybody has a different writing process.

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Speaker 1: Ernest Himingway in talking about because such a prolific writer,

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Speaker 1: his advice to other writers was, every day, say one

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Speaker 1: then you can recreate, you know, your own truth. We'll

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Speaker 1: continue our conversation with doctor Joe Rigney.

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Speaker 2: Don't you call me? Don't you call me a chicken?

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Speaker 1: Doctor Joe Rigney is our guest. He is the pastor

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Speaker 1: We talked earlier about his book The Sin of Empathy,

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Speaker 1: His third book going Backward is Courage, How the Gospel

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Speaker 1: Creates Christian Fortitude. It feels like Christians today are being

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Speaker 2: Rallied people to their banner. And whereas churches that compromised

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Speaker 5: Hey, it's Sutra Potter. Can you just tell me your

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure what your question was, Michael Berry. I

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Speaker 4: Investigation into what happened and who.

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Speaker 3: Actually did blow it up?

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Speaker 8: Well, probably if I asked certain people, I'd be able

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Speaker 8: to tell you without having to waste a lot of

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Speaker 8: money on an investigation. But I think a lot of

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Speaker 8: people know who blew it up. But I was the

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Speaker 8: one that blew it up originally because I wouldn't let

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Speaker 8: it be built. And then when Biden got and he

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Speaker 8: allowed it to be built. And it's very interesting.

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Speaker 1: Now, why does this matter, because our government is engaged

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Speaker 1: in behaviors that we talk about, say a Putin for instance,

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Speaker 1: or some other world leader engaging in as being wrong, unethical, fraudulent,

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Speaker 1: and yet our government under Biden is doing those sorts

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Speaker 1: of things. President Trump was asked if Mexico wanted help

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Speaker 1: with the cartels with the United States lend a hand,

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Speaker 1: and I want you to listen to what he says.

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Speaker 4: So Mexico is saying that I offered to send US

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Speaker 4: troops into Mexico to take care of the cartown. She

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Speaker 4: wants to know is that true? Do you think I'm

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Speaker 4: going to answer that question. I will answer it. It's true, absolutely,

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Speaker 4: because they should be. They are horrible people that have

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Speaker 4: been killing people left and right, that have been They've

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Speaker 4: made a fortunate on selling drugs and destroying our people,

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Speaker 4: who lost three hundred thousand people last year to fifth

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Speaker 4: in all the drugs the bads. Yeah, that's true. If

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Speaker 4: Mexico wanted help with the cartels, we would be honored.

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Speaker 2: To go in and do it.

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Speaker 4: I told her that I would be honored.

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Speaker 2: To go and to do it.

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Speaker 4: The cartels had tried to destroy our country. They're evil,

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Speaker 4: and you know, we had three hundred thousand people died

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Speaker 4: last year from tens of dollars and all that, we

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Speaker 4: had hundreds, We had billions of people brought into this

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Speaker 4: country that shouldn't be here. The cartel's brought her out.

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Speaker 4: So if she said that I offered to do that,

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Speaker 4: she's one hundred percent rugs. Well, she's so afraid of

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Speaker 4: the cartel she can't walk.

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Speaker 3: So that's the reason.

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Speaker 4: And I think she's a lovely woman. But the president

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Speaker 4: of Mexico is a lovely woman, but she is so

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Speaker 4: afraid of the cartels that you can't even think.

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Speaker 1: Mexico cannot handle the cartels, by the way, but they

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Speaker 1: also don't want to confront them. And Mexico's leader has

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Speaker 1: said she doesn't want President's Trump President Trump's help, but

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Speaker 1: she also recognizes they can't stop the cartels. They don't

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Speaker 1: want a war with the cartels. The most dangerous criminal

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Speaker 1: organization in the world is on our southern border. The

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Speaker 1: cartels had a guy they had the CIA come in

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Speaker 1: and brief their organization recently, and they were they were

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Speaker 1: able to ask questions of the CIA agents off the record,

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Speaker 1: and one of them said, what's the most dangerous organization

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Speaker 1: where your agents can operate, and the agent responded to

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Speaker 1: the nods of his peers. It's not China, it's not

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Speaker 1: the Soviet Union or Russia, it's not North Korea. It's cartels.

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Speaker 1: And let me tell you why. Because if you have

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Speaker 1: to kill a cartel member, if you kill somebody in China,

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Speaker 1: your government gets you out of there. You kill somebody

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Speaker 1: in Russia, your government gets you out of there. North Korea,

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Speaker 1: your government gets you out of there. You come home,

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Speaker 1: you're safe. The cartels are the organization that can put

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Speaker 1: people on your block, in your street, in your kids' school.

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Speaker 1: They have infiltrated the United States, and there's no doubt

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Speaker 1: about that. Do you remember Tom Holman's message to illegals

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Speaker 1: in the cartels in Mexico at the Republican National Convention,

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Speaker 1: which was less than a year ago. Hard to believe.

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Speaker 7: As a guy who spent thirty four years departing illego aliens.

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Speaker 7: I got a message to the demands of illegal aliens

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Speaker 7: that Joe Biden's released in our country in violation of

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Speaker 7: federal law. You better start packing now. You're damn right,

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Speaker 7: because you are going home.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 7: I got another message, another message to the criminal cartels

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Speaker 7: in Mexico. You're smuggling, not venting, off across this country

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Speaker 7: to kill one hundred and forty eight thousand young Americans.

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Speaker 7: You have killed more Americans and every terrorist organization in

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Speaker 7: the world combined. And that's when President Trump gets back

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Speaker 7: in office, he's going to designate you a terrorist organization

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Speaker 7: and he's going to wipe you off the face of

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Speaker 7: the earth.

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Speaker 2: You're done. You're done.

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Speaker 1: Remember President Trump designated the cartels as foreign terrorist organizations

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Speaker 1: on day one. Now what's crazy is why weren't they already.

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Speaker 1: They're the most dangerous in the world. They're certainly the

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Speaker 1: most dangerous to us.

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Speaker 3: This is actually an executive order designating the cartels and

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Speaker 3: other organizations to be foreign terrorist organizations.

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Speaker 6: It's a big one, goes sertain people have wanted to

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Speaker 6: do this years. So they are now designated as terrorist

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Speaker 6: organizations foreign and Mexico probably doesn't want that, but we

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Speaker 6: have to do what's right. They're killing our people. They're

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Speaker 6: killing two hundred and fifty three hundred thousand American people

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Speaker 6: a year, not one hundred like has been reported for

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Speaker 6: fifteen years. It's probably three hundred thousand