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Speaker 2: The World's a bigeon podc Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 3: She's the report.

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Speaker 4: He has sixteen days to pay it.

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Speaker 3: Like, what when you come up with sixteen days or what?

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Speaker 2: Somebody for the NFL comes and breaks his fingers collection

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Speaker 2: I swear and all this wholyvy money next week. That

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Speaker 2: wasn't the deal.

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Speaker 5: I'll be back tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Don't make me a juggle.

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Speaker 6: Oh my god, my stepdad was so funny yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Oh you guys, I watched this movie. It's really old,

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Speaker 2: but I think you'll like it. It's about Nike and

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Speaker 2: Michael Jordan. I'm like, that's not an old movie. I've

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Speaker 2: just finished. He's like, what do you mean all the

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Speaker 2: cars were from the eighties. I thought it was from me.

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Speaker 3: Just get old cars and put them in and make it.

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Speaker 3: Look at Mike turned it to Jackie Mason.

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Speaker 2: You want them to.

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Speaker 7: Tam was on one leg.

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Speaker 2: I'm not doing this because soft like just sock and I.

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Speaker 4: Get an sometimes with some of the cliches that everybody

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Speaker 4: leans on.

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Speaker 6: That Miami team is an absolute Cochran because they have dogs.

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Speaker 2: We do not.

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Speaker 8: I got Patriots this year's Super Bowl. All right, it's

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Speaker 8: too early, but I got us winning the baby.

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Speaker 2: But all right, I just.

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Speaker 6: Can't get on this level of optimism today.

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Speaker 9: This is Patriot's Unfiltered, fueled by Dunking.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Thursday here

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Speaker 2: at the Last Stadium, and it's video day.

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Speaker 4: Surprise.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: Return just walks right, not expecting what I make the start.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I had a doctor's appointment eleven fifteen and

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Speaker 2: I'm here, Wow, wow, get all checked out? Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 2: all set.

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Speaker 4: All right, obviously you did a lot of lying if

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Speaker 4: they let you out.

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Speaker 2: No, No, I had like I've had like ringing in

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Speaker 2: my ear for the last couple of years. Yeah no,

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Speaker 2: and I blame Paul. And it's gotten a couple of years.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, and it's gotten worse. And so they disapeared.

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Speaker 3: Frity chance that it started in nineteen ninety nine. Now

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Speaker 3: I'm fine, okay that I'm okay, deuce.

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Speaker 2: Uh but you know, so I just wanted to get

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Speaker 2: a checked out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah all right, yeah, all right, I got my I

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Speaker 3: had a flat tire situation and I nailed, didn't have it.

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Speaker 2: I had to go get a fix there. So you know,

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Speaker 2: getting you didn't have the bridge? Don't run flat tires,

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Speaker 2: That's what I was looking for. No, I did not.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, if you call town for again

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Speaker 3: next week, like I don't I need a car like

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Speaker 2: It took a local place. Yeah, bang it out? Okay, good?

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Speaker 3: Thanks?

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Speaker 2: You know what kind of tires did you get?

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Speaker 3: I didn't have to get new tires, luckily, they just

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Speaker 3: they just plugged her up and they plugged her up.

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Speaker 6: Anything from you, Paul, any hard chips?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 4: Evan, you know, serious football people like you and I

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Speaker 4: were really more interested in the OTA. Yes, right, but

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Speaker 4: I guess we had to wait till the.

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Speaker 2: Right I guess we'll talk about that. It's Duce, it's Evan,

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Speaker 2: it's Paul, it's myself. We'll be here until two o'clock

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Speaker 2: talking patriots and whatever else. But yes, the big topic

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Speaker 2: is we had our first and mind you which just

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Speaker 2: our first full look at practice with the OTAs yesterday,

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Speaker 2: and so let's you know, whoever wants to jump in

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Speaker 6: I'm ready to overreact.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's overrehacb. I know you love to not

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Speaker 2: be afraid. Thornton's your man right now, right, I just

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Speaker 6: Who doesn't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he looked good.

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Speaker 3: He caught a lot of balls. Well, I mean, why

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Speaker 3: I liked how we talked in the post practice interview.

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Speaker 3: We just seemed a little bit like he's growing up

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Speaker 3: So I thought I thought he had a pretty good

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Speaker 3: Off the field, it was it was nice for an Ota,

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Speaker 2: Only saw a little bit of it because I had

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Speaker 2: it looks like he had a good bounce in a step. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Hey, he was engaged, and I mean none of

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Speaker 3: the stuff from last year what I wrote.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Paul wrote it too, so you know it's true. Yeah, yeah, yep, that.

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Speaker 3: Seemed like a shot.

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Speaker 2: You only write true things.

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Speaker 4: Seems like a bit of a shot there.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what it is.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to figure it.

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Speaker 2: Out later and if I had just come from Mars

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Speaker 2: and someone said, well, who's the starting quarterback in this team?

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Speaker 4: There was some talk yesterday with some of the recaps

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Speaker 4: And it wasn't on the radio. It was people on

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Speaker 4: I would say that Bailey's Appy was throwing the ball

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Speaker 4: But Mac Jones was clearly clearly like, no, there was

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Speaker 4: nothing gray in any way. Mac was clearly the guy yesterday.

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Speaker 3: he was just throwing They should just.

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Speaker 4: Play that song, the McSorley song. But he it was, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: He's small, trace McSorley is pretty small.

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Speaker 4: That was a takeaway from that. But I do agree

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Speaker 3: When I watched, I felt like there was a Christmas

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Speaker 4: Way that everything operated. Yeah, you know, they were calling

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Speaker 4: Kendrick Boyne, you need to come. You're not in that slot.

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Speaker 2: There was none of that.

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Speaker 4: The plays just ran. And I understand that they're all designed.

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Speaker 4: I will go back to the first ota. In the

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Speaker 4: second ota we had last spring, the offense looked excellent.

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Speaker 4: The offense didn't look like a disaster until training camp.

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Speaker 4: So these I understand, these practices are designed for the

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Speaker 4: way it's supposed to look. But I just felt like

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Speaker 4: the way it looked was different than last year, if

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Speaker 4: that makes any sense at all. And I understand if

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Speaker 4: you're just saying that because Bill O'Brien's theater and you

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Speaker 4: never thought, you never gave Matt, but you're right.

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Speaker 4: I didn't think it was gonna work last year, and

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Speaker 4: I just felt like it looked different.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, looked like a professional practice. It looked like a

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Speaker 6: I think that really stood out Paul just kind of

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Speaker 6: O'Brien was standing in the middle of the field while

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Speaker 6: a lot of the team drill portions, calling the plays in,

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Speaker 6: didn't really say anything to anybody.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so let me ask a question. You know, so

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Speaker 2: Right, yes, week too? How like, how did they get

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Speaker 6: That the language and the lingo was pretty similar to

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Speaker 6: when we get yeah corrections and when we get into

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Speaker 6: and it were still there's already stuff like that going on.

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Speaker 2: Do you think there's any chance that as early as

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Speaker 2: February these iPads have been you know, have been populated

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Speaker 2: and it's been made clear that by the time you

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Speaker 2: get here, we expect you to know a certain a

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Speaker 2: certain amount and it's it's all on your iPad. Start

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Speaker 2: studying now, even though we can't get together officially, and

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Speaker 2: here's what you're gonna you know, and maybe that part

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Speaker 2: of it is more buttoned up than it was last

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Speaker 2: working on figuring it out on the fly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I mean maybe hard to say.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think we'll find out we get to like,

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Speaker 3: you know, mini camp a little bit, maybe amp the

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Speaker 3: I think when you really figure out how much they're

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Speaker 3: He wasn't getting agitated, and neither were the players, and

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Speaker 2: It's a good start.

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Speaker 3: You don't want to overreact, but I.

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Speaker 3: It was encouraging to see any kicker updates. Well, Ryland

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Speaker 3: But looking at the way the ball gets kicked.

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Speaker 6: It's I'm trying to hit the hit this. I'm going

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Speaker 11: You know.

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Speaker 4: I've seen kickers in college do that, and I used

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Speaker 3: I saw that a lot. With the ball going sideways.

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Speaker 6: The There was a lot of barringer hype too.

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Speaker 3: I think the other guy kicked the ball pretty good too.

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Speaker 6: Some good hanging times. Yeah, out there stop.

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Speaker 4: I didn't read any of that.

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Speaker 4: With the Zappi first team thing, any.

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Speaker 2: Indication that they're already practicing.

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Speaker 6: Drills with the new rule, the new UH kickoff fair

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Speaker 2: At least loudly. Now. He spent almost whatever Bill tells

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Speaker 3: A fantastic, fantastic possible.

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Speaker 2: To say about the league, just you know, this is

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Speaker 4: said it. It's basically and I'm paraphrasing what he actually

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Speaker 2: You know, I was thinking about the player safety thing

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Speaker 4: Fred always wants to split the shorten it up, just

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Speaker 4: If you really want Thursday night football, there's a way

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Speaker 2: And then and then they don't play until after. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: well that would be the weird part. You'd have a buye.

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Speaker 4: You'd have a buye before and then you'd have the

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Speaker 3: That there is a way to do it.

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Speaker 2: You should never have any Thursday game.

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Speaker 4: But Goodell, as mad Dog likes to call him Goodell,

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Speaker 4: And I would just say, does that data include guys

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Speaker 3: It just doesn't.

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Speaker 6: You can just tell it esthetically.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't look it. Spoken from a guy who's never

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Speaker 4: And unfortunately he had and I know I think the

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's got to be close to it. So

445
00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:37,280
Speaker 2: that's good.

446
00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:39,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, God was he good though, listening to him talk

447
00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,680
Speaker 4: like that, Like he was so measured. It wasn't a rant.

448
00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:46,360
Speaker 4: It was so measured and thoughtful that you couldn't help

449
00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,600
Speaker 4: but take it, you know, take it to the bank.

450
00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,880
Speaker 4: And and I don't have a problem with the touchback rule,

451
00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:54,680
Speaker 4: but I do have a problem with them saying that

452
00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,320
Speaker 4: it's in the name of player safety, right, yeah, Like

453
00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:59,959
Speaker 4: that's and that I think that's where where Slater's coming from.

454
00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,800
Speaker 6: The returner on the Cowboys, I can't remember his name

455
00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:04,520
Speaker 6: at the top of my head. He was the pro

456
00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:08,320
Speaker 6: bowler in the NFC for returners last year. He was like,

457
00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,800
Speaker 6: I'm not fair catching it, Like that's my chance to shine,

458
00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:12,520
Speaker 6: Like I'm not you know, he said that they had

459
00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:14,680
Speaker 6: the same rule in college and he never fair caught

460
00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:17,720
Speaker 6: it in college. So I'm still waiting to see. I

461
00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:19,960
Speaker 6: know there's a lot of we get questions every week

462
00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:21,879
Speaker 6: in the mailbag, what's this mean? What's this going to

463
00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,200
Speaker 6: mean for roster building? Bill was asked about it yesterday.

464
00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:26,840
Speaker 6: I'm still waiting to see how many guys are actually

465
00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,520
Speaker 6: going to fair catch it in season before we overreact,

466
00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,920
Speaker 6: because like Marcus Jones, do you want him to fair

467
00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:33,320
Speaker 6: catch it or do you want him to return it?

468
00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:34,240
Speaker 6: I want him to return it.

469
00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:36,520
Speaker 4: I think I think what it's done is it's probably

470
00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:40,520
Speaker 4: taken away the you know, the chip kickoff, Like we're

471
00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,879
Speaker 4: gonna just skyt as high as we can, try to

472
00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:44,720
Speaker 4: land it at the ten yard line, because that's gonna

473
00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:44,879
Speaker 4: get it.

474
00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:46,840
Speaker 2: If the guy's got a good enough leg where he

475
00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,680
Speaker 2: can get hang time and put it inside the ten,

476
00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:51,399
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to fair catch it.

477
00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:53,760
Speaker 6: But that's difficult to do off a tea. Like it's

478
00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:55,560
Speaker 6: one thing to punt it like that, but to do

479
00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,520
Speaker 6: it off the tee that's harder. And guy, you know,

480
00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:00,480
Speaker 6: a guy like cord All Patterson, he think he's fair

481
00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:03,000
Speaker 6: catching it. No, he's he's gonna try to take it

482
00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,720
Speaker 6: to the house like and that's what I That's why

483
00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,920
Speaker 6: I let's see, like if we'll see what the fair

484
00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,640
Speaker 6: catch rate is now pre rule, and then let's see

485
00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,879
Speaker 6: what the fair catch rate was this season and how

486
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,439
Speaker 6: much of it. If it's a five percent difference, then

487
00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,360
Speaker 6: we're not even gonna tell like it's not even we're

488
00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:21,440
Speaker 6: not even going to really feel it.

489
00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,560
Speaker 4: And then Slater having the information too, you know, like

490
00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:28,920
Speaker 4: the injuries were one fewer than one percent, like nine

491
00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,520
Speaker 4: over ninety nine percent no injuries.

492
00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:35,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right. And then Bill had his press conference

493
00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:39,680
Speaker 2: before practice and he was asked about the lost OTAs.

494
00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:41,000
Speaker 2: But that's all in the past.

495
00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,000
Speaker 3: That's already in the past. Yeah, no need to talk

496
00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:43,320
Speaker 3: about it.

497
00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:43,960
Speaker 2: Yep.

498
00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:45,719
Speaker 3: He took well, I mean he need to take responsibility

499
00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:46,560
Speaker 3: when pressed a little bit.

500
00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:47,920
Speaker 2: But yeah, as expected.

501
00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:49,560
Speaker 3: I mean Tommy Curry went right at and was like,

502
00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,359
Speaker 3: you know, should we blame Joe Judges for this?

503
00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,560
Speaker 2: And I mean it's kind of just blame me, But yeah,

504
00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:55,000
Speaker 2: we're off.

505
00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,080
Speaker 3: We're off with the uh with the Bill press conferences

506
00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:58,920
Speaker 3: at everything. Give a nice weights to the camera. I

507
00:20:59,040 --> 00:20:59,960
Speaker 3: saw that that at the beginning.

508
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,400
Speaker 6: The beginning was as that was as much smiling as

509
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,760
Speaker 6: I I think I've seen him a long time. Maybe

510
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,359
Speaker 6: it's the off season, you know, it's no pressure right

511
00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:11,199
Speaker 6: now with games and.

512
00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:12,719
Speaker 3: Stuff like, Can I bring up one more thing though?

513
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,280
Speaker 3: I just I got to say something about as many

514
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,040
Speaker 3: things you want, we can't make court because I just

515
00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:17,960
Speaker 3: feel like, all of a sudden, he's got like like

516
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,600
Speaker 3: a monitor, Like I feel like it's one of those

517
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,320
Speaker 3: situations about it, yeah, like and now and now, well

518
00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,159
Speaker 3: we're gonna Now you've got to be under this guy, like,

519
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:25,960
Speaker 3: I don't know, I just wonder what his what his

520
00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,680
Speaker 3: headspace is like right now, because it's got to be

521
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,320
Speaker 3: a tough position to be in where you've been running

522
00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:31,920
Speaker 3: the show for a couple of years and now you've

523
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,920
Speaker 3: got a big personality. I'll say, you know, kind of

524
00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,840
Speaker 3: looks like back in that won't fold running things.

525
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,160
Speaker 4: He'll be running the offense by by week three.

526
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:42,720
Speaker 2: But I I do wonder that.

527
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 3: And uh, and just the defense, I mean, we haven't

528
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:49,200
Speaker 3: really talked about the defense at all. Havn't Yeah, I

529
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,680
Speaker 3: want to, I'll set I'll from Maphu gushing too, But

530
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 3: I thought that their depth just stood out in the

531
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,639
Speaker 3: secondary to me, Like we've without Devin, They've.

532
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:58,720
Speaker 2: Got some experienced guys back there. I know, nobody wants

533
00:21:58,760 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 2: to hear.

534
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 3: You know, Miles Bryant is out there starting, but you know,

535
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 3: look he's played a few years here.

536
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 2: He knows what he's doing.

537
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,399
Speaker 3: So I think even without you know, without Marcus Jones there,

538
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 3: without Christian Gonzalez there, they were still able to you know,

539
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 3: roll some starters out there, had a rotation going on

540
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,120
Speaker 3: at the free safety spot. I'll let Evan talk about Mapu,

541
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 3: but I just interesting to meet key On White playing

542
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,680
Speaker 3: outside linebacker, standing standing up a lot, yeah, which which

543
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:21,919
Speaker 3: is interesting to me. I I kind of envisioned him

544
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 3: more as you know, hand down guy, move him up around,

545
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,160
Speaker 3: and but if he's able to play on the edge

546
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 3: and stand up a little bit and they can put

547
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 3: him down, they can stand him up. My my excitement

548
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 3: a little bit.

549
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 4: And my initial thought was, like, we keep talking about

550
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 4: the potential Dietrich Wise replacement for him. Well, I don't

551
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 4: recall many times, if any at all, of Dietrich Wise

552
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,640
Speaker 4: standing up like just the cupping, you know, right, just yeah,

553
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 4: there might be like a specific call that you know,

554
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:50,920
Speaker 4: we're gonna try to get him, you know, this defensive

555
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 4: end because what we're doing, he's got to drop into

556
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 4: his zone over there. But I thought Keon White was

557
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 4: more linebacker yesterday than defense. Well, you know, it's it's

558
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 4: interesting because you know which I wasn't expecting.

559
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:02,440
Speaker 2: You know, they've done this a lot in this spring,

560
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 2: like just to see what a guy looks like cerebrally

561
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 2: in a different position. We know we can play inside,

562
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,360
Speaker 2: we know we can play hand in the dirt outside.

563
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 2: Let's see what he looks like and how he reacts.

564
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,120
Speaker 2: A great point to this position.

565
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 3: Great great point, especially with what he's trying to do,

566
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 3: which is playing on two feet and how natural does

567
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:19,680
Speaker 3: he look? I mean they praised how smart he is,

568
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:21,120
Speaker 3: but is he comfortable?

569
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 2: Is the athletic?

570
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:23,399
Speaker 3: I mean, how how good is it? Is it a

571
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 3: guy that or he can occasionally drop when we need

572
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 3: him or is he know this could be a real

573
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:28,680
Speaker 3: tool for us to build.

574
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:29,160
Speaker 2: Off of and use.

575
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll say with with Keon, like, it'd be interesting

576
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 6: to see what technique he's rushing from when he stands up,

577
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 6: because they'll use a lot of fronts where you're still

578
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 6: inside the tackle, but you're standing up and so he's

579
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 6: not necessarily doing anything differently than he would with his

580
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 6: hand in the dirty other than just a stance, So

581
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,640
Speaker 6: how far out does he really go? Like, I don't

582
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 6: think we're gonna see Keon White as a wide nine,

583
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,159
Speaker 6: Like it's going to be more closer inside into the tackle.

584
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 6: So it'd be interesting. But yeah, it would say June first,

585
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 6: it's one OTA practice and I'm our ready to call

586
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 6: it with Marty Mapoo? Okay, arety ready to call it?

587
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 6: And why they got a player here? Two reasons main

588
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 6: reason out there very first rep of seven on seven

589
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 6: next to Juwan Bentley, which tells me that the coaches

590
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,400
Speaker 6: see it. Also not just you know what we saw

591
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 6: out on the field. They have plans for Marty Mapoo

592
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 6: that go beyond core special teamer and things like that.

593
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:21,120
Speaker 2: He's injured, right.

594
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 6: He's in a non contact jersey, but still participating in

595
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 6: some of the stuff that they were doing. And it

596
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 6: just you can't help but stand out to you and

597
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,119
Speaker 6: at these types of things when they break the huddle

598
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 6: for the very very first seven on seven rep with

599
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 6: Jonathan Jones and Juan Bentley and the starting defensive line

600
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 6: and the rookie linebacker is right next to Bentley, like that,

601
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 6: not Mac Wilson, not one of these other guys that's

602
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 6: been around to five whatever it was Marty Mapoo. And

603
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 6: I think the biggest thing all this is passing right there.

604
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 6: You don't do any real running in these camps. And

605
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 6: his eye discipline, like he doesn't look like he's panicked

606
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 6: or like not knowing things are coming from him. And

607
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 6: from a route coverage standpoint, and he was on the ball,

608
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 6: like his eyes were always in the right place.

609
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 2: He looked calm, and you could tell that from where

610
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:10,439
Speaker 2: you were standing.

611
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, you can see like you know, with

612
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,360
Speaker 6: his his it's really his head gear, right, his whole head,

613
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 6: Like you can tell, Okay, he's seeing the crossing route

614
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,679
Speaker 6: coming here, then he's passing that off, and then he's

615
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 6: picking up the next receiver in the succession of his

616
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 6: basic basically a progression, but from his point of view.

617
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 6: And then when he sees where the ball comes out,

618
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 6: that trigger is like immediate. And I I just from

619
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 6: where I was sitting, I could see it right away,

620
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 6: and I think he's they got something.

621
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 2: Could he be that sideline to sideline linebacker I crave.

622
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,199
Speaker 6: I think he certainly can be that in passing situations.

623
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 6: I don't know if he's going to be an every

624
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 6: down linebacker as a rookie, but in those sub packages

625
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 6: as a coverage guy that comes in on second and long,

626
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 6: third down things like that. I think that's the plan

627
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 6: for sure, and that's what this time of year is,

628
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 6: when you really start to work that out. Yeah, ready

629
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 6: to call it.

630
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looked light.

631
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 3: I mean, he looks thin. I mean he doesn't look

632
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 3: like their usual kind of guy.

633
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 2: I don't care about that.

634
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 4: Small yeah, but yeah, I agree with his presence. And

635
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 4: that was one of the most noteworthy things I saw

636
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 4: on defense. I don't I don't get into any of

637
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 4: this other stuff at this time of year, you know,

638
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 4: I kind of am looking at individual players and what

639
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 4: they look like. Like Mike I thought you talked about

640
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 4: Mike ka SICKI earlier. Yeah, you get to see he's

641
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 4: he is long, you know, and you know I've seen

642
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 4: Hi play from Miami.

643
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 2: You kind of know.

644
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 4: But now you see him kind I don't know why,

645
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,479
Speaker 4: Maybe it strikes you a little bit different the kind

646
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,959
Speaker 4: of I thought key On White, same kind of thing,

647
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 4: like whoa, he fills out the uniform. You know, I

648
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 4: met him in person.

649
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 2: He's scary, dude.

650
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 4: He's a big guy, you know, so that's the kind

651
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 4: of stuff I thought we we kind of talked about

652
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 4: in some other individuals Kevin Harris, I think the three

653
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 4: of us all agree. We thought he looked a little svelt,

654
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 4: looked like he dropped a few LB's. He's listed exactly

655
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 4: the same as he was last year. We'll see if

656
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 4: we get updates as the summer goes on with some

657
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 4: of those numbers. But I thought he was was quick

658
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 4: and looked uh and looked quick, looked good.

659
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 2: I got.

660
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 4: I thought he looked quick, you know, just not talking

661
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 4: about performance because I think a lot of this and

662
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 4: this is why and this is not to take a

663
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 4: shot at Evan here with with MAPU, because I think

664
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Speaker 4: it is absolutely noteworthy. And I concluded my blog too

665
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 4: that he was out there with Bentley right away. Clearly

666
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 4: they have designs on him beyond the special teams thing

667
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 4: that I think he'll end up being. But I think

668
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 4: a lot of this stuff that they do with this

669
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 4: time of year is very scripted, and I'm not like,

670
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 4: that's why I'm not. Bill says all the time, it's

671
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 4: not for evaluation, you know, it's it's all it's all teaching.

672
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,159
Speaker 4: And the other thing that Fred brought up earlier with

673
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 4: you know how Bill likes to start guys doing different things.

674
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 4: I think you know that that's certainly a possibility for

675
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 4: Keon White, certainly a possibility for Citi Sao. You know, like,

676
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure he could play guard. Let's let's see

677
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 4: if he can actually play tackle, you know whatever. We'll

678
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 4: line him up out there and do some of those things.

679
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 4: And then Bill yesterday, when he talked to us before

680
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 4: he went out there, he really specifically said, how much

681
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 4: you know, changing and mixing and matching they're gonna do.

682
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 4: You know, guys might be out there together for one play,

683
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 4: might be five plays. Don't don't read anything into it.

684
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 4: So I'm trying to listen to him. I always say,

685
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 4: go by what he does and not by what he says,

686
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 4: but I'm trying to do both at this time of year.

687
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 4: But without question, what Evan's talking about with Mapu is

688
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 4: it was noteworthy, just because I think exacerbated by the

689
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 4: fact that he's wearing a red non contact jersey, so

690
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 4: he you know, he's not even fully cleared yet, would

691
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 4: be my guess. And they want to get him out there,

692
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 4: tells me they want to get him as much reps

693
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 4: and experience just to get him up the speed as

694
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 4: they can.

695
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 6: He just moved well. And I'm not like looking at like,

696
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 6: oh he made.

697
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 3: This tackle past breakout.

698
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 6: I didn't say, but I think mentally like they all

699
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 6: all the players, you know, talking to Juwan Bentley a

700
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 6: lot yesterday after practice, he said, this is it's all

701
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 6: about mental reps this time of year, right, like what

702
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 6: what are we supposed to be doing? What are our keys,

703
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 6: what are our reads? You know, what are we looking at?

704
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 6: And I think with Mapu, you could tell that his

705
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 6: eyes were in going to the right places and his

706
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 6: body was going in the right directions. And that's not

707
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 6: always the case, Like sometimes you get out there and

708
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 6: these guys are lost or they're just covering grass and

709
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 6: they're not actually influencing the play at all. And I

710
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 6: didn't think that that was the case at all with him.

711
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 6: But the biggest thing was was that he was out

712
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 6: there and how involved he was in the top package

713
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 6: of the defense already at this time of year is

714
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 6: usually very telling, especially for a rookie.

715
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 2: Hope he's healthy.

716
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 4: So I kind of I kind of did that that

717
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 4: sort of disclaimer because at this time he hit the

718
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 4: three of us, you know, we kind of get inundated

719
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 4: with you know what about Trey Nixon last year, Like,

720
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 4: I totally get it. I understand, we understand what this

721
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 4: time of year is. We're just trying to tell you

722
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 4: what we saw yesterday, you know, and these are some

723
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 4: of the guys that stood out for us yesterday.

724
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 2: In Max post practice press conference, he used the phrase

725
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 2: we're on the same page at least once, maybe more.

726
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 2: I don't think that's any coincidence normal, I think.

727
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 6: One, yeah, yeah.

728
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 4: My takeaway was the word trust yeah four times. Yeah,

729
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 4: there was three trusts and a trustworthy. I went back

730
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 4: and looked because that that kept bringing my ear and

731
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 4: I think I think the message that he was trying

732
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 4: to portray yesterday was that he's trying to earn back

733
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 4: the trust of the locker room and the coaching staff.

734
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 4: And in turn, I believe he's also saying, and I

735
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 4: need to learn how to trust them because I didn't

736
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 4: last year.

737
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 2: It's a two way street, two way street.

738
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 3: The clean slate is a two way street, a bad relationship.

739
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,479
Speaker 3: You've got to learn to trust again, right, we've all

740
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 3: been through that.

741
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 4: So well, Mike, what are you trying to say so.

742
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 2: As a result, sports illustrators come out and said that

743
00:30:58,160 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 2: the Patriots are going to win the age. I know,

744
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 2: Connor or let's go see that.

745
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 4: Let's go guy special.

746
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 6: If Ota practices translated, and then then maybe, yeah.

747
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 2: At least our quarterback is out there. The Jets quarterback

748
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 2: hasn't even out there yet.

749
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 3: It's too busy going to Taylor Swift Booty just a

750
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,479
Speaker 3: quick comp. I mean, we saw a lot of Douglas yesterday,

751
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 3: not a lot of Booty.

752
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

753
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 6: And I would also like temper the expectations for to

754
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 6: Mario Douglas for the time being. The people that he

755
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 6: was out there with is important as much as the

756
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 6: fact that he was out there. It's great that he

757
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 6: was out there and that he was involved and they

758
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 6: were trying to get him up to speed in certain

759
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 6: things that he's gonna maybe be doing down the road.

760
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 6: But let me just say this, when you're out there

761
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 6: with Roley Webb and that's and that's who you're going

762
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 6: through the rep with like that, that I think is

763
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 6: an indicator that let's let's tap the brakes a little bit.

764
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 6: Like if you want to get excited, get excited about Taekwon,

765
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 6: like the you know, a guy like to Mario Douglas

766
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 6: for right now, is still in that O T a

767
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 6: rookie o T for me.

768
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 3: We didn't get to see Roley Webb last year because

769
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 3: he came in the middle of the year. But my

770
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 3: reaction was like, oh, he's a receiver. Like I had

771
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 3: no idea. He was like, like it was so funny

772
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 3: because if.

773
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 2: You're looking to ensure your home car road, I mean,

774
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 2: that's what it is.

775
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 3: The other thing though, I just wanted to say though,

776
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,719
Speaker 3: is uh, you know, maybe the experience at the Shrine

777
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 3: Bowl helped Douglas a little bit. Yeah, and like he

778
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 3: just has a little bit more of a grasp of

779
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 3: what's going on at this point because I did see

780
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 3: some good things out of out of Booty just in

781
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 3: some of you know, we catch some of the videos

782
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 3: and after practice the things you might have missed. But

783
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 3: it was weird because a long long portion like we're

784
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 3: seeing a lot of Douglas out there, but what Booty

785
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 3: been we haven't.

786
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 6: Really I don't know.

787
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 3: If you're a hot person, Yeah, that's another potential factor too. Yeah,

788
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 3: all the Lambines were trying to like negotiate around a practice.

789
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 6: Of injuries, and you know, no, look, I thought that Douglas.

790
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 6: Douglas did what they asked him to do. That It

791
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 6: wasn't like he went out there and you were like,

792
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 6: oh my god, this guy's going to be a star.

793
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 6: But he he he was where he was supposed to

794
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 6: be and he caught the ball right, And I think

795
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 6: the one thing that we knew he was small. But

796
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 6: I wonder if you know, sort of like a slot

797
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 6: like almost like how they're envisioning using time Montgomery, like

798
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 6: that might end up being where he is long term,

799
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 6: is more of like a slot, a gadget, maybe even

800
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 6: out of the backfield a little bit. I do wonder

801
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 6: with his size if he's ever going to develop into

802
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 6: a true down the field receiver in the NFL like

803
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 6: he was in college. But he still got that juice

804
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 6: to be able to add some things underneath the defense

805
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 6: that might be important, Like if you get him matched

806
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 6: up in space against a linebacker like coming out of

807
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 6: the backfield, like he's gonna win that matchup.

808
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 3: So I will see.

809
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 6: I'm intrigued. But I would just mentioned with the receivers,

810
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 6: they only have like six guys out there right now

811
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 6: because Juju wasn't there, so Roley Webb has to take

812
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 6: reps at receiver. They're a little thin there, and I

813
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 6: know everybody's gonna go to DeAndre Hopkins and be like, well,

814
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 6: we might not be thin there, right, But I think

815
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 6: that even just adding another body there for training camp

816
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 6: is in play. I think they only have like seven

817
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 6: guys on the roster right now at that spots. They're

818
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 6: a little light there.

819
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 2: Were you counting Elie Cunningham as a receiver?

820
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 6: I guess we are now, But like, are we counting

821
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,919
Speaker 6: Malie Cunningham as a receiver because that's actually the plan,

822
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 6: right or because they just don't have any receivers, Like

823
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 6: they really don't have a ton of wide receivers for

824
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 6: this time of year.

825
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 4: That could be another one of you with things ready, Yeah,

826
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 4: Malie Cunningham, you know they probably think he's going to

827
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 4: be perfect for a scout team quarterback, right, Yeah, Let's

828
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 4: see if he can give you anything as a receiver.

829
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,439
Speaker 3: That seems like the theme that we're kind of tying

830
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 3: all together is now is the time to just kind

831
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 3: of put guys in positions.

832
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 2: It always has Why not? Why are they going to

833
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 2: stop now? They have always done it.

834
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 4: The Eugene Wilson year. You know he played and I

835
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 4: always forget which is which first, but he played corner

836
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 4: in college and then and they I mean safety in

837
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 4: college and they put him at corner in the spring

838
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 4: and completely switched it when the season started.

839
00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 2: So it's like, what which of these things are going

840
00:34:59,680 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 2: to stick?

841
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 4: Because we know you can do what Brandon Merriweather was

842
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 4: the same thing. You played both and then you figure

843
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 4: it out. You know what's what he's more valuable at?

844
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, eight five to five Pats five hundred

845
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 2: is the A sticket hotline, web radio at Patriots dot

846
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 2: com is the email address. Let's get to some of

847
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,240
Speaker 2: the phone calls here. We'll start with Patty and agawam.

848
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 2: What's up Patty, top gentlemen.

849
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 12: So I wanted to touch on a couple of things.

850
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 12: First thing, heavan could corroborate this because I said this

851
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 12: two weeks ago on Catch twenty two, and I'm not

852
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 12: overreacting to it from what I read yesterday, but I

853
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 12: did predict Mac Jones to be the breakout player of

854
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 12: this year the Patriots team. Okay, and Paul you kind

855
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 12: of touched on what he was saying last year, and

856
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 12: one of the things he said last year about the

857
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 12: coaching staff was we're all learning together, which is you know,

858
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 12: kind of dominos if you think about it, and just

859
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 12: hearing him talk and talking about right, how he there

860
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 12: is trust and everyone seems to be on the same page.

861
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 12: I mean, it's refreshing.

862
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 2: There's a clear delineation. Now Bill O'Brien will be the

863
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 2: teacher and you will be learning.

864
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 4: Well, that didn't take his press briefing as being as

865
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 4: hopefully positive as everybody, because a lot of other people

866
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 4: did to put it out.

867
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:17,720
Speaker 2: Matt mac jones.

868
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 4: I thought the first thing he said to he was

869
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 4: referencing like, you know, oh, it's normal now, like he's

870
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 4: still talking.

871
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 3: That's positive, still talking about last year.

872
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 13: I know.

873
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 2: But if he thinks it's normal and if he's happy,

874
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 2: that's that's half the job. I don't know.

875
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 6: They don't want him to talk about next last year,

876
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 6: then maybe the head coach would stopped talking about last year.

877
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 4: Well the head coach said that's in the past, said

878
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 4: it about seven times yesterday.

879
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 3: It actually was like yesterday, you know.

880
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 2: What they say, happy QB, happy life, right, I Patty,

881
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 2: I don't know what you do.

882
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 4: I mean that's yeah, the whole like breakout thing. I

883
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 4: think mac Jones will be much better than he was

884
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 4: last year. Like, does that qualify as a breakout.

885
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 6: If he was better than twenty one?

886
00:36:58,719 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 4: Are we saying that.

887
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 2: He's going to I was going to break out his

888
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 2: four thousand yards and over thirty touchdowns.

889
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 4: Or or emerging as one of the better quarterbacks in

890
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 4: the league. Yeah, Like yeah, yeah, Like I think if

891
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 4: he returns.

892
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 2: To what he was, really a breakout.

893
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 6: But he did mention, and I think the best part

894
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 6: about the presser for him was that he did mention

895
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 6: that he's going to be a sponge and that O'Brien

896
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 6: has been to all these different stops. And he put

897
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 6: O'Brien with Steve Sarkisian and Lane Kiffin and like some

898
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 6: of the other, you know, really big time offensive coordinators.

899
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 3: Because he respected Yeah he didn't.

900
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 6: He was talking about Alabama at the time, so he

901
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,280
Speaker 6: didn't mention McDaniels, but I'm sure he would put McDaniels

902
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 6: in the same dable. It was another one, Mike Loski,

903
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 6: who's a big time offensive offensive coach. So he mentioned

904
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 6: all these guys with the same breath of Bill O'Brien.

905
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 6: So I do think he totally is embracing an understanding

906
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 6: like I'm not going to be coaching anybody this year,

907
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 6: Like I'm not going to be telling anybody what to

908
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 6: do like this.

909
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 3: That's how I took him. Yeah, well, you just think

910
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 3: as a quarterback, you take normal for granted sometimes that

911
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 3: you're offensive coordinator knows what he wants to do, has

912
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 3: a vision for the offense. He can tell every player

913
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 3: what they're supposed to do, want to play, Versus you

914
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 3: come into a year where you're like, I don't think

915
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 3: our coaches have a vision for what they want us

916
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 3: to do. So I think from that perspective, it puts

917
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 3: a little bit more into perspective for me.

918
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 6: He also mentioned that Bill O'Brien commands the room and

919
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 6: like the way he runs the room is impressive.

920
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 3: There's nobody who's going to like screw up route space.

921
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 3: Ye bill O'Brien's watch.

922
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, speaking of that, I thought Kendrick Bourne

923
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 4: was was much more active yesterday too.

924
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 6: Did drop a ball up the scene?

925
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 2: Yeah he did, Yeah he did with no contact. Yeah.

926
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 3: You just I just wonder, you know, what's going to

927
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 3: carry over footsteps.

928
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 2: Let's go to Todd, North Carolina. What's up Todd?

929
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 14: Hey, guys, I know it's a silly season, and you

930
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 14: know everybody's predicting every different thing, and everybody's kind of, you.

931
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 15: Know, got something strained. So I just want to hear

932
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 15: who deuces most current man crushes on the field.

933
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 12: He has one every year.

934
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 15: I think for Evan it's my poo. I'm not sure

935
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 15: who you know, Fred.

936
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 2: Would have, and I do have him crush on the Patriots.

937
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 2: I had to think about that.

938
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't pick one in O t A s

939
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 3: because I because I have a defense guy and he

940
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 3: pads to come on before I can, you know, of course,

941
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 3: not the cost. I just that was when I just

942
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 3: felt in my heart, you know, I knew.

943
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 6: That's not that's not a great example.

944
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 2: That was my my first year here here, my first

945
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 2: year year. That was who I got painted to.

946
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 3: But I think probably at this point on White, but

947
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 3: I'm definitely.

948
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 2: I think I think yes, he filled out. I was

949
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 2: going to say, you know, key On White could be

950
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 2: the guy he's got to earn my crush, but.

951
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 4: Sure he's going home to work.

952
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 2: Right right now. I would say Christian bar More. I

953
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 2: thought about him too.

954
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 3: I mean, he wasn't there, but I just a guy

955
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 3: that could really provide a boost that I don't think

956
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 3: people are really.

957
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 4: So now we're talking about players like ability. Yeah, I

958
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 4: think he's talking about like Derek.

959
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 2: Stupid, like a stupid player. Who am I attracted to? Actually?

960
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 3: I can I amend Mike?

961
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 2: Can I amend this? Can I put it?

962
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 3: Ma a b Bearinger with the glasses I'm all, I

963
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 3: think this is hil bothered. We got one, we got

964
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 3: a punner with glasses on.

965
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 2: I'm ready to go.

966
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 7: I love it.

967
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 2: You know, Brandon Spike's not here anymore.

968
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 6: So I like athletic people. I like people that move well.

969
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 6: Me too, and that's why Mapu and Taekwon gave me

970
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 6: a little little Taekwon yesterday.

971
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 4: The dynamic element is what I I'm attracted to too.

972
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 4: But yeah, you know, I thought the two second year

973
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 4: running backs, both of them Harris and Pierre Strong too.

974
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 4: Pierre Strong caught a number of passes yesterday in different formations,

975
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 4: some screens.

976
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 3: A lot of screens, say woman, would you think of

977
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 3: an overall yesterday? It's just what the offense was working

978
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 3: on because it seemed like a lot of misdirection, a

979
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 3: lot of like you know, wide receiver screens, you know,

980
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 3: just not like conventional kind of stuff just seemed like

981
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 3: more so special in.

982
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 6: The interest of not giving too much away, So Bill

983
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,720
Speaker 6: O'Brien doesn't get mad at me. I think the biggest

984
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 6: thing that you saw was the screen periods that they

985
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 6: were working on. We're clearly working on building those foundational

986
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,720
Speaker 6: elements because they're going to have compliments off of those plays.

987
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 6: So my guess is that some of the screens that

988
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 6: we saw yesterday are going to be attachments to RPOs

989
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 6: and then they're probably going to then once you get

990
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 6: the pads on and you add the offensive line to it,

991
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 6: and you add the run game to it, now that's

992
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 6: where it all starts to build out from there. The

993
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 6: other thing that I think really stood out was the

994
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 6: amount of motion that they were using, not shifting, but

995
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 6: motion at the snap more than enough times where they

996
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 6: were motioning guys using that orbit motion when the player

997
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 6: goes behind the quarterback and then coming out through the

998
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 6: other side of the formation, which obviously creates stress on

999
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 6: the defense. You know, you go from this is the

1000
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 6: two receiver sides, now it's a three receiver side and

1001
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 6: how are we going to cover that and react to that.

1002
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 6: There was some play action, some under center play action

1003
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 6: going on, but it was screen. It was quick game,

1004
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 6: it was under center play action. And that's what we

1005
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 6: all want to see, I think from this offense. I

1006
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 6: think we want to see those three things. Get the

1007
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 6: ball out, take your calculated shots down the field. But

1008
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,240
Speaker 6: I think one of the biggest differences between this practice

1009
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 6: and practices that we saw last year. There wasn't a

1010
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 6: whole lot of holding the football, like the quarterback wasn't

1011
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,280
Speaker 6: patting the baby in the pocket, staring like looking around

1012
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 6: like this. And then you know how many times did

1013
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 6: mac Jones throw the ball away in practice?

1014
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 3: And that's a really good point too.

1015
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,760
Speaker 6: In practice, you're throwing the ball away.

1016
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 4: Earlier in the show, I had mentioned that I thought

1017
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 4: the offense looked looked, you know, pretty good last spring too.

1018
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 4: But that's one area that was different is I think

1019
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 4: a lot of those deep balls to Trade Nixon that

1020
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 4: we talked about were plays that we all kind of

1021
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 4: looked at. I'm not sure they would have been There

1022
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,720
Speaker 4: wasn't really any of that yesterday. Now, there wasn't anything

1023
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,399
Speaker 4: really down the field. They had one deep seam route

1024
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 4: to Thornton. I think that it took a little time

1025
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 4: to develop, but I agree with Evan. I didn't think

1026
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 4: the quarterbacks were holding the ball, padding it a lot,

1027
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 4: and you know, having a hard time finding someone. They

1028
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 4: did occasionally, but not like last year. I think that

1029
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 4: might have been a difference between the actual execution of

1030
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 4: the plays from this year to last year.

1031
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, they had one play in particular, the one that

1032
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 6: you were talking about earlier, where Bill O'Brien was applauding

1033
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 6: what was happening and they motioned Taekwon over to that

1034
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 6: side of the field, And what I think he was

1035
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 6: applauding was that the routes got up the field and

1036
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 6: they were covered, but they they brought the gravity right.

1037
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 6: They brought those guys up the field, and instead of

1038
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 6: sitting there and waiting and waiting and waiting to see

1039
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 6: if the routes down the field we're going to develop,

1040
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 6: Mac just dumped it off into the flat to Taekwon,

1041
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 6: who had space with just one guy over there that

1042
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 6: he could make somebody miss and turn up the field.

1043
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 6: And that the timing of the play and the spacing

1044
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,240
Speaker 6: of the routes were what I think Bill O'Brien was applauding.

1045
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 6: You know, that's what we're looking for.

1046
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 3: That's what we want to do.

1047
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 6: Even if the downfield shot isn't there, We're not going

1048
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 6: to hold the ball for four seconds waiting for it

1049
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 6: to happened. We're just gonna kind of survive the play.

1050
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 3: And we did stop.

1051
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 4: We did see a lot of you know, the two

1052
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 4: tight end stuff too. Again, not wanting to get into

1053
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 4: what they were actually doing with that, but maybe more

1054
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 4: than we saw last year with with Henry and in Smith.

1055
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 4: I think there was maybe a little bit more Henry

1056
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 4: Kasiki than we saw last year. We'll see if that continues.

1057
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 2: Christian rites in from North Carolina. Evan is still suffering

1058
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 2: from recency bias. Let's not overreact to the Taekwon looking

1059
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 2: good as we can remember train Nixon look like Randy Moss,

1060
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 2: hoping he does improve this year. But let's relax on

1061
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 2: the hype of Thornton. I'm seeing through Twitter. Can you

1062
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 2: just enjoy it?

1063
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 3: Like there's nothing wrong with at this point.

1064
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 4: But this is why I offered the disclaimer, because I'm

1065
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 4: waiting for this. Yeah, because last year when we went

1066
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 4: to practice, we told you what we.

1067
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,280
Speaker 6: Saw just like we did that Tykwon Thornton was catching

1068
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 6: passes all over the place yesterday.

1069
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 3: What else am I supposed to say the show? We're like, well,

1070
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 3: Tay Kwong was really good yesterday, But I don't know.

1071
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 6: When I wrote about it yesterday.

1072
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 4: I used.

1073
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 6: Murray's Harris was my big one in twenty nineteen, my

1074
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 6: first year covering the team all year, you know, first

1075
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 6: the OTA, first Mini camp, all that stuff. I fell

1076
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 6: in love with Murray's Harris. I was like, you know,

1077
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,399
Speaker 6: this guy's going to be a player for this team.

1078
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 6: Brady's like dapping him up after play.

1079
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 3: I thought it was definitely going to make the team.

1080
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 3: Ye'll tell you that.

1081
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, And then like in August, he gets cut, like

1082
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 6: not even first, he didn't even get close.

1083
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 2: So I get it.

1084
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 6: But with Taekwon, like that's the fiftieth overall pick in

1085
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 6: the draft, Like, that's not Maurice Harris. That's not some

1086
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 6: like cast off that you're trying to make something out of.

1087
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 6: This is a guy that you are drafting high in

1088
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 6: the draft, with real talent, like, with real tools at

1089
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 6: his disposal. And it wasn't so much like the results

1090
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 6: of the plays. It was how they were getting him open,

1091
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 6: like how they were using him in a different ways,

1092
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 6: that they were incorporating his speed into the offense. It's

1093
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 6: not like, Okay, yeah, he caught a deep post in

1094
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 6: seven on seven. I'm not like gushing about that. I'm

1095
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 6: just saying that the fact that they are getting him

1096
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 6: as open as he was on like, I never saw

1097
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 6: that last year. I never saw a guy five yards

1098
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 6: behind the defense and nobody within ten yards of him,

1099
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 6: Like that was not happening as often last year. And

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00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 6: in one practice we saw him get open, probably more

1101
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 6: than we saw all down the stretch last year.

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00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 4: And so Evan and Micha will make fun of me

1103
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 4: because I got excited about one play. They just maant,

1104
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 4: like the most routine twelve yard out that you've seen

1105
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 4: every football practice you've ever attended at any level. They

1106
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 4: run that play, and I just think that's perfect for him,

1107
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 4: Like he has to make the cornerback backpedal with his speed. Yeah,

1108
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 4: So instead of trying to like see if we can

1109
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 4: outrun five guys going across the field potentially getting lit up,

1110
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 4: why not just get a guy on the outside and

1111
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 4: take the easy first down throws, you know, the drive

1112
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 4: starters that that they used to have back in the

1113
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 4: day with Brandon Lafel and the guys, you know, Brandon Lloyd.

1114
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 4: Even even though I couldn't stand Brandon Lloyd, he had

1115
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 4: a pretty productive season that year. I liked the idea

1116
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 4: of incorporating that, you know, if he can catch twenty

1117
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 4: of those, you know, and then eventually you beat him

1118
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 4: with double moves and stuff like that, off of that,

1119
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 4: you don't have to send him across the middle all

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00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 4: the time.

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00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was I think what was the whole thing

1122
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 6: about the offense was you could see how these foundational

1123
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 6: plays that they're installing in the spring, the things that

1124
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 6: they could then evolve off of that in six months,

1125
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 6: you know when it really gets real. And that's I

1126
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 6: think something that I that we never saw last year,

1127
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 6: Like there was no sequencing, sequencing, rhyme or reason, no structure,

1128
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 6: and now you can see sort of the bones of

1129
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 6: all right, this is what they're gonna fall back on,

1130
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 6: and then we're gonna build off of that.

1131
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 2: Ray and Saint Louis says, let's have for react. Yeah,

1132
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 2: I'm excited to see all the different reports coming from OTAs.

1133
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 2: I really liked how Mac talked yesterday. He sounds more

1134
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 2: like a leader, Like he has more swagger and I'm

1135
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 2: excited to see the guy's rally around him. How did

1136
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 2: Kendrick Bourne look?

1137
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was active, Yeah, active. I mean I think

1138
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 3: with Mac too. It's just I mean, I was expecting

1139
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 3: that this would happen because he's just a kid. I mean,

1140
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 3: he's gonna mature and obviously the experience he had last

1141
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 3: year is something that can mature you pretty quick. But

1142
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 3: he just it didn't feel like he was constantly running

1143
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 3: everything through the Is it okay to say this?

1144
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 2: Can I say?

1145
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 3: You know, like he just was conversational. He made fun

1146
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 3: of Tommy Kern's hat a little bit, like, you know,

1147
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 3: just you didn't really get that stuff last year. He

1148
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,760
Speaker 3: was just more so in it, so, you know, concerned

1149
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 3: with making sure he didn't say the wrong thing or

1150
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 3: you know, so he wasn't at all.

1151
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 2: Just to see him get away.

1152
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 3: From that and kind of just be calm and you know,

1153
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 3: responding to questions and having a little repartee with the reporters.

1154
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:57,919
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know what's gonna mean. I still don't.

1155
00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 3: I still have, you know, questions about the performance in

1156
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 3: runch time with him, and you know, but I have

1157
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 3: some positive juice going right now, and that's you know,

1158
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 3: all you can ask at this point. I mean, I

1159
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 3: you don't feel somewhat positive about your team at this point,

1160
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 3: I think you're gonna be miserable.

1161
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 2: All.

1162
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 4: You have to have some sort of enthusiasm at least

1163
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 4: for the newness of it.

1164
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 3: All, especially with like these young kids who I mean,

1165
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 3: like you know Thornton. I know he's the second year guy,

1166
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 3: but there's still a lot of potential there. I mean,

1167
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 3: he's you know, a kid who can play, and you know,

1168
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 3: to see that player. I mean, if there's one player

1169
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:25,800
Speaker 3: you said, who's one guy that you think if you

1170
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 3: really popped in an OTA practice you'd pick it to be,

1171
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 3: it probably be him.

1172
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 2: Just that's what they need.

1173
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 3: Everybody's clamoring still for you know, DeAndre Hopkins, and you know,

1174
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, Hey, maybe if you've got a

1175
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 3: guy here that you found last year in the draft

1176
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 3: that I mean, that's that's way better than going out

1177
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 3: and getting old.

1178
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 2: Assunder And it's one thing you can see when they're

1179
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 2: in short to speed. You know, when a guy's fast,

1180
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 2: he stands out I go back to that Bethel Johnson

1181
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 2: when he first got here and returning kicks and you know,

1182
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 2: zero to sixty, like he was just different than everybody else.

1183
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, the clip that we posted on Twitter of the

1184
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 6: bomb to Thornton is getting some negative feedback, to say

1185
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 6: the least, because it looks like there was nobody covering

1186
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 6: him and so it looks like it's against air, so

1187
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 6: that we're hyping up a play against air. It was

1188
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 6: in seven on seven and he ran by everybody, right,

1189
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 6: and in these types of practices, if he wasn't doing

1190
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 6: those types of things, that would be a major concern

1191
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 6: because he is a four two eight guy that should

1192
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 6: be doing those types of things when there is no

1193
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 6: pads and there's no real contact. So if he what

1194
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 6: do you want us to say, Like, if he was

1195
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 6: getting covered and everybody was all on top of him

1196
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 6: all the time, all practice long, that would have been

1197
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 6: a bad sign. The fact that he was actually getting

1198
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 6: open means that we're at least on that baseline, like

1199
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 6: we were at least past that eye test.

1200
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 3: Well, you saw him dust Jack Jones once off the line.

1201
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, the lateral movement off the line looked good yesterday.

1202
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 6: You know, just his press releases and his ability to

1203
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 6: get off the line of scrimmage. When I thought the

1204
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 6: route that Paul was talking about, it was, you know,

1205
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 6: that had some dressing on it and some seizing and

1206
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 6: on it. You know, it wasn't just like, oh, I'm

1207
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 6: just going to get to the top around and like

1208
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:02,800
Speaker 6: lazily come through this break and running out. It was

1209
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 6: I'm gonna set up the out in the stem and

1210
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 6: then I'm gonna snap it off and I'm gonna create separations,

1211
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 6: spun the corner around. So those are the types of

1212
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 6: things that you just want to see this time of year.

1213
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 6: Let's see what it looks like when the pads come on,

1214
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 6: no doubt about it. But it's encouraging.

1215
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 2: Rusty's in arlin, He says. I genuinely am glad we're

1216
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 2: back to the overly positive coverage of OTAs Like before,

1217
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 2: I think the wide receiver position will be the most

1218
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 2: interesting watch unfold, and especially with Cunningham effectively being a

1219
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 2: wide receiver from what I've read when Edelman was here initially,

1220
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 2: what was he doing in camp? Is there a chance

1221
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,879
Speaker 2: one of these rookies or Thornton shows enough to push

1222
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 2: Parker or Borne off the roster. Just seems like a

1223
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 2: bit of a log jam if Cunningham or Booty shows enough.

1224
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 4: So Evan just said they don't have enough receivers in camp,

1225
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:51,760
Speaker 4: and now we have a long cham.

1226
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 2: No, I don't.

1227
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 3: I don't think either of those guys can.

1228
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 4: And Edelman was a wide receiver in his first camp.

1229
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 4: Now he mostly handled punts. He was returning a lot

1230
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 4: of punts early on in his career, but he was

1231
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 4: a receiver immediately.

1232
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, go watch his football life. He talks a lot

1233
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 3: about that those initial days in camp. What builds like

1234
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 3: first things saying to him, it's good stuff.

1235
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 6: We just we get a lot of that about like

1236
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 6: getting rid of Devonte Parker or Kendrick Bourne, Like that's

1237
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 6: like the big question is, oh, like if this rookie

1238
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 6: receiver pops, like, is that going to push these guys

1239
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 6: off the roster? And I just I don't think the

1240
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 6: Patriots are in the position to be casting off playable

1241
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 6: receivers like Devonte Parker might not be specially might not

1242
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 6: be a true number one, but he can play in

1243
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 6: the league, like in Kendrick Bourne the same thing. So

1244
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 6: are the Patriots really in the position to just say like, actually,

1245
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 6: we're too good now for you. Kendrick Bourne like no,

1246
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 6: like they don't have that kind of receipt.

1247
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 3: I was the thing kind of reviewing some of the

1248
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 3: games again, was that the Parker was really probably the

1249
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 3: only guy last year that made I mean, and I

1250
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 3: know he was hurt, and you know he's in and out,

1251
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 3: but but he throughout the year made some big plays.

1252
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 3: You know, there weren't a lot of them, but I

1253
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 3: think a large majority were made by him.

1254
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 2: I think they hang on to him. Chris in Denmark

1255
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 2: wants to know why does it always sound like there's

1256
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 2: a truck backing up in the background, because there is

1257
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,879
Speaker 2: a lot of times there's a lot of construction going

1258
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:14,760
Speaker 2: on around here. Concerts, setups not surprising. Let's see somebody

1259
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 2: had an Ota comment where it was, oh here it is.

1260
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:22,879
Speaker 2: Rick writes in from Dallas. I love that they're using

1261
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 2: Mapu at linebacker at least for now, and hope he

1262
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 2: stays there too. I'm kind of disappointed cunning him spend

1263
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 2: most of his time catching passes like Evan. I was

1264
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 2: hoping they'd use him as a developmental third string quarterback.

1265
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 2: Well he did get it some development three. I love

1266
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,320
Speaker 2: that Mac, at least on the first day, was the

1267
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 2: clearcut quarterback. Remember it's the first day for us. Yeah,

1268
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 2: they've had they've been out there A question why keep

1269
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 2: Joe Judge? I know Bill thinks he brings a lot

1270
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 2: to the table, and I'm sure his knowledge would be beneficial.

1271
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 2: But if the players have such a negative opinion of him,

1272
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,879
Speaker 2: doesn't that negate his contribution. A leader can't lead if

1273
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 2: no one follows. Doesn't Bill risk losing the locker room

1274
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,720
Speaker 2: completely by keeping him on the staff? I hate calling

1275
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 2: for a person's job, but the Patriots motto has always

1276
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 2: been the team comes first. This point, is Bill really

1277
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 2: putting the team first by keeping him? Well?

1278
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:13,879
Speaker 3: I think Bill believes that he's a really good coach.

1279
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 3: I mean, I think you'd have to ask the players.

1280
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 3: You'd have to truly get a sense of is their

1281
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 3: lingering resentment towards him? And is his presence even on

1282
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 3: special teams this season, is still going to affect people

1283
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 3: like Mac Jones and Kendrick Bourne and those kind of guys.

1284
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 3: But I think Bill has too much respect for Joe

1285
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 3: Judge and is going to keep him in the fold

1286
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 3: because he thinks he thinks he helps.

1287
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,879
Speaker 2: All right, Paul's food is here, so we'll take a break,

1288
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 2: and when we get back, more calls and emails here

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Speaker 11: Patriots fans, you'll want to check out the replay on

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Speaker 11: this one. Pat the Patriot is stealing the show tonight

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Speaker 11: with his Bank of America mobile banking app.

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Speaker 13: That's right, folks, So here we see Pat cheering and

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Speaker 13: then whammo is that Bank of America life planned?

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Speaker 11: Looks like he's saving up for some big future moves,

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Speaker 11: As if that double move wasn't impressive enough, now he's

1453
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1454
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Speaker 11: what a performance.

1455
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Speaker 13: Bank of America's digital tools are so impressive. Patriot fans

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Speaker 1: Some of the content of Patriots On and now Great

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Speaker 1: Moments in.

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Speaker 8: History.

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Speaker 6: I wasn't I wasn't born for for eighty five obviously,

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Speaker 6: they would tell me about stories about that Super Bowl,

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Speaker 6: and they were just happy to beat in that Super Bowl,

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Speaker 6: and they knew they were going to get their doors

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Speaker 6: blown off by the eighty five Bears. Like there was

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Speaker 6: there was no conversation of whether or not they were

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Speaker 6: going to win that game. But the Packers Super Bowl,

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Speaker 6: they they probably should have won the game just the

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Speaker 6: way that the game unfolded. And to me, Parcels is

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Speaker 6: much to blame I mean Reggie White, like, can we

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Speaker 6: we don't put a tight end over there, chip them

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Speaker 6: like do something.

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Speaker 2: This is all retroactive because how old were you in

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Speaker 2: ninety six four?

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Speaker 3: He's so mad, like you're kicking off the dem.

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Speaker 2: Little baby Evan getting mad, whipping his blanket.

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Speaker 1: That's another great moment from.

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Speaker 2: All right back here on Patriots on Filter at eight

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Speaker 2: five five pass five hundred is the ace take a

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Speaker 2: hotline web radio at Patriots dot com. It's the email address,

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Speaker 2: it's Deuce, it's Evan, it's Paul, it's myself, Matt and

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Speaker 2: the booth. We're here until two o'clock and then it's

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Speaker 2: catch twenty two. Evan and Alex will react even more.

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Speaker 2: How did Barth take out yesterday's thing?

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Speaker 11: You know?

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Speaker 6: Pretty good? I think you know he's sometimes is a

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Speaker 6: little bit more tepid around this time of year, doesn't

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Speaker 6: get quite as excited as I do, believe it or not.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, yesterday, I you know, they're on Reddit, the

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Speaker 6: Patriots reddit. There's just like tweets like from practice and

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Speaker 6: stuff that it goes goes crazy and there's like a

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Speaker 6: couple of things I was showing Barth of like well

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Speaker 6: even works for Patriots dot Com. Now, so like, can

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Speaker 6: So maybe maybe maybe that influences me. Maybe it doesn't.

1519
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 2: Who knows, Andrew and l He still hasn't gotten his

1520
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:04,440
Speaker 2: T shirt Matt. Yeah, so Matt, Matty can take a

1521
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 2: part a part of rocket Launcher and put it back together,

1522
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 2: but he can't put a T shirt in the mail.

1523
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 2: For sure. He got his sent out to him. Oh

1524
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:14,480
Speaker 2: oh okay, all right, well he says he still hasn't

1525
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 2: gotten it. So I have a question.

1526
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, So on catch twenty two, do we have

1527
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:20,360
Speaker 3: catch fourteen today?

1528
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 13: Oh?

1529
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:23,680
Speaker 2: Oh, I.

1530
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 6: Was smart numbers. I'm going to use that now.

1531
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 4: I'm wicked smart.

1532
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, use that now?

1533
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 6: We are we are going to do like twenty minutes

1534
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 6: on the rookie Specialists.

1535
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 4: I'm sure I am going to go back and have

1536
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 4: my friend rise now.

1537
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 2: Paul's food bearing.

1538
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 4: I'm sure the YouTube crowd is all over it.

1539
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 2: Oh they are. Ryan in Situate writes in There's been

1540
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 2: a lot of talk about the linebackers, in particular some

1541
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:51,800
Speaker 2: of the faster guys such as Wilson Mapu and McMillan.

1542
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:56,240
Speaker 2: My question is, with McMillan going to season ending IR,

1543
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 2: does that open up a spot for mac Wilson. People

1544
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:03,919
Speaker 2: speculated that if Maphu got some run at linebacker, maybe

1545
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 2: that pushes Wilson off the roster. Curious of your thoughts. Possibly,

1546
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 2: I mean he was out there with with McMillan out again, yeah,

1547
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:15,600
Speaker 2: where he blew his achilles. I think last weeks he's

1548
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 2: done for the year, So yeah, that's done.

1549
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:20,679
Speaker 3: I think mac Wilson still kind of has an inside

1550
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 3: track just for depth and special teams. But you know,

1551
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 3: maybe somebody like Chris Bard beats him out, but he

1552
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 3: was mac Wilson was playing a little bit on defense yesterday,

1553
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 3: so I don't think you can totally, you know, write

1554
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:32,599
Speaker 3: him off. I think they already have plans for Maphu

1555
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 3: anyway that probably were unrelated. But Devai's in that mix too.

1556
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:40,760
Speaker 2: Cameron writes in He's from Franklin said, what what what

1557
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 2: was up with Bill Belichick yesterday? Nothing? Nothing new? H

1558
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 2: And also what are some positive differences from this year's

1559
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 2: first o TA compared to last year's where we talked

1560
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 2: about it. I mean, it just looked a lot smoother everybody,

1561
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:57,280
Speaker 2: as Max said, was on the same page. They were

1562
01:08:57,320 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 2: ready to go. It looked like a NFL off from

1563
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 2: the get go. Not that at this time last year

1564
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 2: it didn't, you know, because we had really no idea.

1565
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 2: But you saw Bill O'Brien. There wasn't any questions about, well,

1566
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 2: who's got the radio? You know it was Bill O'Brien.

1567
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:16,719
Speaker 2: He's calling the offense. It's gonna be his offense. There's

1568
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 2: no doubt about it. Everybody's on the same page that way.

1569
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:22,760
Speaker 6: That was refreshing, not like having to go into the

1570
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:24,800
Speaker 6: practice and be like, who's calm plays? He was doing this,

1571
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:26,920
Speaker 6: He was doing that, and like finding all the coaches,

1572
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 6: like you just knew where everybody was supposed to be

1573
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 6: and that's where they were.

1574
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:33,120
Speaker 2: So there was a no huddle, back up and run

1575
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 2: it again.

1576
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, David Andrews in the middle of the offensive

1577
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:38,519
Speaker 6: huddle screaming at people.

1578
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:39,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1579
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 2: Kobe writes in you guys all know way more about

1580
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:46,720
Speaker 2: football than I ever will. But last show, when you

1581
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:49,519
Speaker 2: were talking defensive strategy and personnel, I couldn't help but

1582
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:52,559
Speaker 2: wonder what Belichick would think if he listened to an episode.

1583
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 2: I kind of know what he would say, would he

1584
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 2: think you are morons who have no idea about what

1585
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:02,400
Speaker 2: you're talking about, or would you say, wow, these guys

1586
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 2: make a lot of sense in the things they say

1587
01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:05,040
Speaker 2: are accurate.

1588
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 6: Probably the first one.

1589
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:10,639
Speaker 2: Yeah. But it's also I mean, like it's just football.

1590
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:12,839
Speaker 3: It's not like this is like it is just organic

1591
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 3: chemistry that you know, you're like there's routes that you

1592
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:16,840
Speaker 3: run and timing well.

1593
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:19,639
Speaker 2: Even Bill tells a story that you know, like people

1594
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:23,040
Speaker 2: call them this defensive genius and his father wants a genius.

1595
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:24,839
Speaker 2: All you do is walk up and down the sideline.

1596
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:27,040
Speaker 2: I mean that's his father that said that.

1597
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:27,559
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1598
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:30,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I mean I think I mean that's you know,

1599
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:33,000
Speaker 3: obviously a passion for Evan and it certainly not as

1600
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 3: much for me, but but but a passion then something

1601
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 3: that was in you know, a motivator for me to

1602
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:39,000
Speaker 3: get involved because I just wanted to know more about

1603
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:40,880
Speaker 3: the game. But I think you can know more about

1604
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:42,880
Speaker 3: the game without being able to like break down a

1605
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:44,600
Speaker 3: playbook and tell you everything there is to know.

1606
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:46,400
Speaker 2: But you know, you start to pick up what.

1607
01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:50,280
Speaker 3: Different coverages are, and you know, like you know field

1608
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:52,920
Speaker 3: and boundary and you know the strategy that goes behind

1609
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 3: those kind of things, and you know, I just I

1610
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:56,600
Speaker 3: think it's fun. You learn every year. I mean that

1611
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:58,040
Speaker 3: was you know, I think what was fun last year

1612
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:01,000
Speaker 3: about having Evan come aboard is you know, you look

1613
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 3: at things a little bit differently, maybe you learn some things,

1614
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:04,479
Speaker 3: and you know, it's just just a.

1615
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:07,840
Speaker 2: One of the great things about football, but also the

1616
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 2: toughest to evaluate individual players is none of us know

1617
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 2: really what the assignment is on every play. You know,

1618
01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:17,240
Speaker 2: from the look of it, you can kind of guess,

1619
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 2: but you don't know, like if it tackles all of

1620
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 2: a sudden blocking no One, that might not necessarily have

1621
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 2: been his fault, you know.

1622
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 3: Kind of just been a mess up on the protection call,

1623
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:28,880
Speaker 3: but it looks that wrong way.

1624
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 2: It looks that way, you know. But we don't always

1625
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 2: know what the blocking assignments were, what a receiver was

1626
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 2: really supposed to do, want to give and play? Why

1627
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:40,479
Speaker 2: two receivers ended up in the same place, Well, whose

1628
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 2: fault is that? We don't We don't know. We can guess,

1629
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:45,519
Speaker 2: but yeah, you know, we don't really know.

1630
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:49,400
Speaker 6: I try my best not to place like blame on

1631
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:52,320
Speaker 6: players as much as I can because of that exactly

1632
01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 6: like I you don't know. Now I could tell you,

1633
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:58,400
Speaker 6: like what the defensive structure looks like it should have been,

1634
01:11:58,520 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 6: or what the route looks like it should have been,

1635
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:02,240
Speaker 6: and or if it was successful like that, which is

1636
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:04,880
Speaker 6: much more fun. I can tell you why it was successful.

1637
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 6: But I'm not gonna say, oh, you know, Miles Bryant

1638
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 6: blew his zone here, or you know Jack Jones blew

1639
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:13,920
Speaker 6: it here. And let's say if it's Manton Many, he

1640
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 6: gets beat, he gets beat right, right. But in terms

1641
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 6: of the nuances, yeah, that's but that's what makes football

1642
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:20,800
Speaker 6: so cool.

1643
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:23,599
Speaker 3: Well, that's and that's why there can be what fifty

1644
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 3: people out there covering practice yesterday, and everybody's you know,

1645
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:28,200
Speaker 3: I mean a lot of the things, a lot of overlap.

1646
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:29,639
Speaker 3: I'm sure people are reading other things.

1647
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 4: But you know, and there's ninety guys out there, and

1648
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:36,760
Speaker 4: sometimes you're watching something different and someone will say, well

1649
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:39,439
Speaker 4: I thought so and so look good doing this, and

1650
01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:41,600
Speaker 4: you're like, wow, really, I really didn't even notice that

1651
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 4: guy because you didn't. You didn't you weren't watching something

1652
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 4: that he did.

1653
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:49,080
Speaker 2: Yep, eight five five past five hundred disease take an outline.

1654
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:53,200
Speaker 2: Let's go to Dan and Florida. What's up, Dan? Hey?

1655
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:54,120
Speaker 21: Can you guys hear me?

1656
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:55,080
Speaker 8: Yes, we can.

1657
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:56,360
Speaker 21: Hey.

1658
01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 22: How's it going?

1659
01:12:57,840 --> 01:12:59,000
Speaker 10: How you doing to good?

1660
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:00,599
Speaker 2: Hey?

1661
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 22: So I got three things for you guys.

1662
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 21: I want you guys, get you guys.

1663
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 10: To stop on these three things. First thing is, did

1664
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:11,120
Speaker 10: you guys hear about Remondre Stevenson being named to the

1665
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:14,479
Speaker 10: All All I think it was the they called it.

1666
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 10: He was named to they All Breakout team for twenty

1667
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:18,800
Speaker 10: twenty three?

1668
01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:22,360
Speaker 2: Who's Who's whose list is this? Uh?

1669
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:24,160
Speaker 10: This is on Patriots Country?

1670
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 2: Patriots Country? Okay, okay, they're really going on on the list.

1671
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:31,519
Speaker 3: I mean that's a very I love me some.

1672
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:34,439
Speaker 4: Romondre Stevenson, the guy did rush for a thousand yards

1673
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 4: last year and caught for like another five hundred, like

1674
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:40,640
Speaker 4: four and change. Anyway, like they got him.

1675
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:42,920
Speaker 22: They got him listed for one thousand and forty yards

1676
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 22: and five touchdowns on the ground.

1677
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:47,280
Speaker 2: Season.

1678
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:49,240
Speaker 6: In other words, what he did last year he only

1679
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:51,519
Speaker 6: has five touchdowns in this offense is in trouble?

1680
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 22: Yeah, I think he I like Vermondre. And then the

1681
01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:57,320
Speaker 22: other two things, what do you what do you guys

1682
01:13:57,439 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 22: think about the new title? And Anthony I don't pronounce

1683
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 22: his last name, for sure, for sure, for sure. What

1684
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:07,960
Speaker 22: do you what do you guys think about him kind

1685
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:10,840
Speaker 22: of using him like how Josh mcdagiels did with the

1686
01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:12,879
Speaker 22: with the fullback.

1687
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:15,719
Speaker 21: But I don't want him to be a traditional fullback.

1688
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 22: I want him to be like I don't know if

1689
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:21,400
Speaker 22: you guys, Yeah, like Kyle used Check with the forty

1690
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:24,439
Speaker 22: nine ers, how they use him in the passing game, kind.

1691
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:26,240
Speaker 21: Of go out there on some screen, maybe some bubble

1692
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:29,439
Speaker 21: blaze block a little bit. But also because I don't

1693
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:31,720
Speaker 21: want it to be predictable where every time we have

1694
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:34,160
Speaker 21: a fullback out of every team in NF I was like, Okay,

1695
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:36,680
Speaker 21: they're gonna go run, So I wanted to kind of

1696
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:38,479
Speaker 21: like mix it up. They throw him out on some

1697
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:40,879
Speaker 21: bubble screens and they get him out there going outside

1698
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:43,439
Speaker 21: kind of basically being like a Kyle us Check.

1699
01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:46,080
Speaker 2: I don't think he's as good as Kyle Check.

1700
01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:48,519
Speaker 3: I don't think they're gonna I think he's a depth

1701
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:51,320
Speaker 3: I think he's a death guy. I think if he's playing,

1702
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:55,080
Speaker 3: it's it's probably a bad sign. Thanks Danicky and Thornton

1703
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:57,880
Speaker 3: and those guys and Douglas. But he does have a

1704
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:00,840
Speaker 3: little bit of a full back background. So III gets

1705
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:03,240
Speaker 3: hurt or gets hurt in camp and you need an

1706
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 3: extra body.

1707
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:05,880
Speaker 2: He might He's probably the next guy up over Matt

1708
01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:07,800
Speaker 2: Sokal or Scotty Washington or.

1709
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 6: They did use that at Alabama. They did use last year,

1710
01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:15,439
Speaker 6: like a full back slash h back player. Bars would

1711
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:20,800
Speaker 6: know the guy's name, he's uh, yeah, you know, I

1712
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:23,720
Speaker 6: can ask him later, but yeah, he he uh. They

1713
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:25,280
Speaker 6: did use that player. And I think one of the

1714
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 6: things that they were maybe doing yesterday maybe they weren't,

1715
01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:29,479
Speaker 6: but they.

1716
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:31,640
Speaker 2: Is this clinical uh.

1717
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:38,360
Speaker 6: They they were motioning players into the blocking structure on screens, right,

1718
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 6: so it was adding on blockers onto the screen. And

1719
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:48,040
Speaker 6: maybe maybe that is something that that first her first

1720
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:54,599
Speaker 6: could do better than then Hunter Henry and Kisiki. Maybe

1721
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:56,559
Speaker 6: I'm getting ahead of myself.

1722
01:15:56,920 --> 01:16:01,880
Speaker 2: That one Vancouver with Paul, Hey, Fred, how you doing today?

1723
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 2: Good bit?

1724
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:06,760
Speaker 15: Okay, I want to I want to ask you a

1725
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:08,479
Speaker 15: couple questions. I want to get to my question today.

1726
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:12,080
Speaker 15: But you know, with the retire with the retirement of

1727
01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:17,200
Speaker 15: Devin mccordy, it's an interesting fact about the Patriots roster

1728
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 15: now that we have zero first round, second round, a

1729
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:27,280
Speaker 15: third round pick signed to a second contract on that

1730
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:31,519
Speaker 15: roster right now, like our own pick, not a single one.

1731
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:36,400
Speaker 15: And I find that really quite interesting in a roster

1732
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 15: building thing. And I actually managed to find a study

1733
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:44,160
Speaker 15: on the internet about this kind of thing. Who resigned

1734
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:46,840
Speaker 15: second contract? What are those percentages? I found out that

1735
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:52,800
Speaker 15: for first round draft picks, thirty one percent sign with

1736
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:55,760
Speaker 15: their own team and fifty percent sign with a different team.

1737
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 15: The second round is twenty four percent, forty three for

1738
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:03,160
Speaker 15: a different one, and round three sixteen. So when I'm

1739
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:05,320
Speaker 15: kind of thinking about, you know, I always just wanted

1740
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:08,960
Speaker 15: the Patriots to build a new core of players. So

1741
01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:14,439
Speaker 15: here's my question, what current players do you want to resign?

1742
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:18,400
Speaker 15: And what do you think is a likelihood Bill will

1743
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:21,519
Speaker 15: do it? Because I look at a player like gosh

1744
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:24,960
Speaker 15: oo J. I don't agree with Evan that these that

1745
01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:28,880
Speaker 15: quote elite pass rushers. I believe he's good, and I

1746
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:32,360
Speaker 15: do agree with Evan that you need somebody a specialist

1747
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 15: like that with that kind of skill in today's game.

1748
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:37,200
Speaker 15: But I have no hope that Bill is going to

1749
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:39,719
Speaker 15: match what the market's going to pay for those guys.

1750
01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:43,960
Speaker 15: So yeah, that's good, And is there any reason you

1751
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:47,519
Speaker 15: think they really should have kept those are my questions.

1752
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:50,640
Speaker 4: Okay, football, I would say Kyle Duggar will be my

1753
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:54,599
Speaker 4: pick for his answer. Yeah, I think it's probably between

1754
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:57,000
Speaker 4: Dugger and new j But yeah, for the reasons that

1755
01:17:57,439 --> 01:17:59,719
Speaker 4: I do agree, and I think that's kind of what it's.

1756
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:03,280
Speaker 2: I hope bak on, you know, I hope Barbour gives

1757
01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 2: them a reason.

1758
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:05,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree undred percent on that, and I mean

1759
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:07,640
Speaker 3: i'd put him almost near the top. I mean, I

1760
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:10,680
Speaker 3: think he's got the potential to be like that true disruptive.

1761
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 4: And the reason it's zero right now is very easy

1762
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:16,680
Speaker 4: to go back and just look, they've missed on draft picks, right,

1763
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:19,040
Speaker 4: It's not like a lot of the guys that they

1764
01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:23,040
Speaker 4: didn't sign the second contracts are dominating around the league, right,

1765
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 4: you know. They they missed on you know, Nikhil Harry.

1766
01:18:27,439 --> 01:18:31,879
Speaker 4: You know, I mean, Isaiah Win just signed for peanuts

1767
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:35,519
Speaker 4: to compete in Miami, and he was available for a

1768
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:36,280
Speaker 4: long time.

1769
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:39,679
Speaker 3: Like Sony Michelle's been like kicking around team.

1770
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:41,560
Speaker 6: Even him and Nikkil Harry are both not on a

1771
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:42,040
Speaker 6: deep So.

1772
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:48,400
Speaker 4: Those whatever eighteen nineteen drafts, like those are the guys

1773
01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:51,400
Speaker 4: that should be on second contracts now. And we'll see

1774
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:58,160
Speaker 4: the twenty twenty draft. When you dugger och are all candidates,

1775
01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:00,519
Speaker 4: we'll see it's get retained.

1776
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:01,800
Speaker 3: I mean that call is just the heart of the

1777
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:03,720
Speaker 3: matter of why they are where they are right now.

1778
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:05,519
Speaker 3: They don't have they didn't draft those players.

1779
01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:09,679
Speaker 2: And again the difference here is it's not a matter

1780
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:13,040
Speaker 2: of the Patriots simply not resigning guys. And like Paul said,

1781
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:17,560
Speaker 2: then they go on and it's a miss rightly, so

1782
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:21,080
Speaker 2: they haven't felt they should resign him, and they were right,

1783
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:24,800
Speaker 2: but that begs you know that the problem is they

1784
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:25,519
Speaker 2: haven't drafted.

1785
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:27,680
Speaker 4: Well now, if you want to go back further than that,

1786
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:30,400
Speaker 4: but at this point, those guys would be cycled out.

1787
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 4: I think they were opportunities to sign guys that they

1788
01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:37,559
Speaker 4: didn't like Trey Flowers, that'd be a good example.

1789
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:40,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, Trey Flowers comes to mind. He didn't necessarily go

1790
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 6: to to have a great well.

1791
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:45,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, but he's good. I mean he signed a big

1792
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:46,200
Speaker 4: money contract.

1793
01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:48,840
Speaker 6: The only guy that on this team. I mean, Jowan

1794
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:52,040
Speaker 6: Bentley did sign a second contract just to be fair.

1795
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:54,639
Speaker 6: I know he's the only one, but like just it's

1796
01:19:54,680 --> 01:19:55,200
Speaker 6: not zero.

1797
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:57,760
Speaker 3: He was a fifth round pick. Yeah, so he said

1798
01:19:57,960 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 3: he was only going the top three rounds.

1799
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:01,519
Speaker 6: Okay, all right, I didn't hear that part. And also

1800
01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:06,679
Speaker 6: with j uh, the league pays for sacks, like whether

1801
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 6: they're there sacks against Arizona or there's sacks against whoever.

1802
01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:12,920
Speaker 4: That's what I think his point, Yeah, Paul, right, Yeah.

1803
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:15,320
Speaker 6: The league is gonna pay if he has another double

1804
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:18,360
Speaker 6: digit sax season, he's gonna get double digit money in

1805
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:21,040
Speaker 6: the open market. So that's just the way it works.

1806
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:23,080
Speaker 3: And then you just wonder what another team thinks about

1807
01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:24,680
Speaker 3: him because he's doing kind of the same thing he

1808
01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:27,240
Speaker 3: did here in college. Is there really any reason for

1809
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:29,600
Speaker 3: another team to think we can we can play we

1810
01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:30,240
Speaker 3: can pay him a.

1811
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 2: Lot and we can play him a lot.

1812
01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:33,800
Speaker 4: No, But I think Evan's right. You don't have to

1813
01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 4: envision him having a bigger role. But I envisioned him

1814
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 4: getting double digit sacks as that guy for me, like

1815
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:42,200
Speaker 4: a closer, kind of like jeh Miller, Like I mean

1816
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:44,960
Speaker 4: probably not I mean that good, but that role, right,

1817
01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:45,679
Speaker 4: that's what you're hoding.

1818
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:49,280
Speaker 6: Some some teams, though, like especially for three, teams have

1819
01:20:49,439 --> 01:20:51,800
Speaker 6: that like designated pass rusher role that's on the field

1820
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:54,920
Speaker 6: all the time. So it's not here you're asked to

1821
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:57,160
Speaker 6: set the edge like that's a big part of that

1822
01:20:57,240 --> 01:20:57,439
Speaker 6: at S.

1823
01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:02,720
Speaker 2: Barrett Right, it's a example. Yep. Let's go to Joe

1824
01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:07,000
Speaker 2: in Connecticut. Hey Joe, Oh, hey guys, Hi Joe.

1825
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:15,120
Speaker 23: I got a quick kind of off season question his

1826
01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:18,680
Speaker 23: personal opinion from all you guys, how how else do

1827
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:22,840
Speaker 23: you personally feel the team handled Brady's departure? Are you

1828
01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:27,360
Speaker 23: happy with how that went? Because personally I wasn't. I

1829
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:30,800
Speaker 23: think we had, you know, the greatest quarterback of all time, and.

1830
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:35,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel I think, I think we've been I

1831
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 4: think we've been over this for a couple of years

1832
01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:40,439
Speaker 4: worth of shows at this point. But I think, yeah,

1833
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:44,439
Speaker 4: I felt, and I think Fred agreed with me at

1834
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:48,760
Speaker 4: the time that I understand that from a logical standpoint,

1835
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:52,679
Speaker 4: what the Patriots did made sense, Fred, and I wanted

1836
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:55,640
Speaker 4: to see an exception made I just felt like this

1837
01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:58,360
Speaker 4: is a guy who had done so much he deserved

1838
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:01,800
Speaker 4: to continue to play until he showed obvious signs of

1839
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:04,479
Speaker 4: not being able to play anymore in writing his own

1840
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:07,320
Speaker 4: story on the way out. And we weren't happy, right

1841
01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:08,759
Speaker 4: am am, I speaking for you, Fred.

1842
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:11,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wasn't happy, you know, like, but like I

1843
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:16,559
Speaker 2: felt at the time, it was inevitable, like Brady wasn't

1844
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:19,080
Speaker 2: going to get you. Brady wasn't going to get the

1845
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:23,759
Speaker 2: respect he felt he deserved. And you know Bill and Robert,

1846
01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:27,640
Speaker 2: you know, both felt okay, let's let him go. Now.

1847
01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:30,320
Speaker 2: Remember you know Robert made that agreement that he wasn't

1848
01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:33,120
Speaker 2: going to franchise. I mean, yeah, put the tag on him.

1849
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:35,720
Speaker 2: And I think that was a big concession. That was

1850
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 2: That was his way of saying, thank you, I'm not

1851
01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:42,120
Speaker 2: going to force you. I'll never trade you. He said

1852
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:44,240
Speaker 2: that openly, and I'm not going to put a tag

1853
01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:47,400
Speaker 2: and you'll be able to leave a free man. And

1854
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:51,360
Speaker 2: I think that was Robert's give goodbye gift to him.

1855
01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:55,680
Speaker 2: But yeah, it wasn't good. I mean, and obviously you

1856
01:22:55,760 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 2: know now hindsight's twenty twenty, it was the wrong one.

1857
01:22:59,240 --> 01:23:01,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I'm not going off of what he did, right,

1858
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:03,439
Speaker 4: I'm going at the time. At the time, I think

1859
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:05,560
Speaker 4: Fred and I both said, I mean, how can you know,

1860
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:08,519
Speaker 4: why would you pull the plug on this era any

1861
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:11,880
Speaker 4: earlier than you needed to? And look, there were signs

1862
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:14,760
Speaker 4: in nineteen I don't I understand that they didn't have

1863
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:17,519
Speaker 4: a great offense. We've gone over all the personnel issues

1864
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:20,479
Speaker 4: that they had in twenty nineteen, Tom Brady didn't play.

1865
01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:23,240
Speaker 3: Very well with what he had. He didn't play very well.

1866
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:25,280
Speaker 4: I don't think he was Yeah, I don't think he

1867
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:29,840
Speaker 4: was really all in emotionally and all the things that

1868
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:33,479
Speaker 4: he normally did. So I understand where the Patriots were

1869
01:23:33,479 --> 01:23:35,160
Speaker 4: coming from. I just disagreed with it, that's all.

1870
01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:36,960
Speaker 3: I just felt like by twenty nineteen the ship had

1871
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:39,679
Speaker 3: kind of sailed like it had already been kind of written,

1872
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:41,639
Speaker 3: like it was too late. Well, that's the thing.

1873
01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:42,280
Speaker 2: I think.

1874
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:44,479
Speaker 4: I think the groundwork had been laid before.

1875
01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:45,679
Speaker 2: Five years.

1876
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 3: Five years of groundwork.

1877
01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:49,880
Speaker 6: He calls in to talk about something that happened three

1878
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:51,080
Speaker 6: years ago and then they hang out.

1879
01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:52,880
Speaker 2: No, not the first one, not the first one to

1880
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:56,760
Speaker 2: tire of us, listen, you know. I just think at

1881
01:23:56,800 --> 01:23:59,519
Speaker 2: the time, the rift between Bill and Tom was just

1882
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:02,479
Speaker 2: too great. Like Bill was never gonna, like all of

1883
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:04,400
Speaker 2: a sudden, say all right, Tom, you're our guy for

1884
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:07,080
Speaker 2: the next three years, and we're gonna give you thirty

1885
01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:09,479
Speaker 2: million dollars a year, and we're gonna give you a

1886
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 2: you know, a wr one and all that. That's that

1887
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:15,720
Speaker 2: just wasn't gonna happen. If it had happened, I think

1888
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:18,720
Speaker 2: Brady would have been back all in. I think he

1889
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:20,400
Speaker 2: would have been back here, and I think he would

1890
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:23,439
Speaker 2: have you know, been re energized. But that was never

1891
01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:26,280
Speaker 2: gonna happen, So I think the split had to come.

1892
01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:29,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I just think it's weird how they

1893
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:30,960
Speaker 3: won a super Bowl in twenty eighteen, like and and

1894
01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:33,680
Speaker 3: and at that point it wasn't quite like this is

1895
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:35,920
Speaker 3: getting to be the end, But they won a super

1896
01:24:35,960 --> 01:24:39,800
Speaker 3: Bowl even when things were kind of falling out. Just say.

1897
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:41,439
Speaker 3: The only thing I do wonder, and it's been brought

1898
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:43,680
Speaker 3: up a ton, but had they not missed on the

1899
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:46,360
Speaker 3: Nikhil Harry pick, had they drafted a receiver that Brady

1900
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:49,639
Speaker 3: was like, hell, yeah, I'm reinvigorated. This is fun throwing

1901
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:51,439
Speaker 3: to AJ Brown or Deebo Samuel.

1902
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:54,679
Speaker 2: You know, may changed, it might have a little bit could,

1903
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:58,599
Speaker 2: but they still needed to pay him. They still needed

1904
01:24:58,720 --> 01:24:59,200
Speaker 2: to pay them.

1905
01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:03,439
Speaker 4: The reason for his pissiness in nineteen was less about

1906
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:05,840
Speaker 4: Nikhil Harry, right as it was about what they had

1907
01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:08,240
Speaker 4: done to him before that. Right, It's like, I won

1908
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:10,640
Speaker 4: another super Bowl and it's still not enough for this.

1909
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:13,519
Speaker 2: You can't give me a you know, a relatively long

1910
01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:17,479
Speaker 2: contract for market money. You're you're not willing to do

1911
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:21,400
Speaker 2: that after all that I've proven for you. I get it,

1912
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:24,640
Speaker 2: I get it. You know. I also get you know,

1913
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:28,679
Speaker 2: the age and all that stuff. But like, this guy's different,

1914
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:33,160
Speaker 2: he's different. Could we play a little game what happens? Happened?

1915
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:34,880
Speaker 6: We still have not moved on from them.

1916
01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:36,000
Speaker 3: Would you like to play a game?

1917
01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:37,479
Speaker 8: What?

1918
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:37,800
Speaker 11: Like?

1919
01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:38,320
Speaker 2: What do you like?

1920
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:40,400
Speaker 3: Let's just play it out like what happens twenty twenty

1921
01:25:41,240 --> 01:25:44,680
Speaker 3: or twenty sorry whatever. February twenty twenty, they move on

1922
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:46,720
Speaker 3: from the coaching staff. They say, we're going to keep

1923
01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:49,200
Speaker 3: Tom Brady. We're putting just everything into Tom Brady. We're

1924
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:50,479
Speaker 3: going to bring in a new from.

1925
01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:51,120
Speaker 4: Their coaching staff.

1926
01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:51,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1927
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:53,400
Speaker 3: Like, let's just they chose Tom. I didn't see that

1928
01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:55,519
Speaker 3: coming in twenty you know, after twenty.

1929
01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:57,080
Speaker 6: I feel like Josh McDaniels would have been the coach.

1930
01:25:57,160 --> 01:25:59,479
Speaker 3: Okay, sure, I mean that's where're playing, that's's what we're playing.

1931
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:01,200
Speaker 3: But you know this, well, how does that play out?

1932
01:26:01,320 --> 01:26:03,760
Speaker 3: Brady's got three more years? You know, do they get

1933
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:04,720
Speaker 3: back to the super Bowl?

1934
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:08,000
Speaker 2: You think? Or do they you know, Brady anything's possible. No,

1935
01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:11,200
Speaker 2: I'm serious, Yeah, No, I like it is. You know,

1936
01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:15,360
Speaker 2: it's just an interesting sliding doors re energized Brady like

1937
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:16,120
Speaker 2: they did.

1938
01:26:16,240 --> 01:26:18,720
Speaker 3: You did this for me the twenty nineteen.

1939
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:25,200
Speaker 2: Who's Honor, Who's your on her, your family's honor? Andy

1940
01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:26,120
Speaker 2: brought that up yesterday.

1941
01:26:27,240 --> 01:26:29,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, it's like a sliding doors kind

1942
01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:31,360
Speaker 3: of thing of what they would have done with three

1943
01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:33,679
Speaker 3: more seasons. I mean, even after that twenty nineteen team.

1944
01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:35,120
Speaker 3: It's just I mean, we all know what the twenty

1945
01:26:35,200 --> 01:26:38,400
Speaker 3: twenty team felt. Look like, you know, like, was there

1946
01:26:38,479 --> 01:26:41,639
Speaker 3: any way that they could have somehow made it work

1947
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:42,160
Speaker 3: a little bit?

1948
01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:43,960
Speaker 2: You know, it was hard. It would have been really hard.

1949
01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:47,720
Speaker 2: You had two very I don't know, I want to

1950
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:50,400
Speaker 2: say stubborn, but set in their ways, get people, and

1951
01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:52,960
Speaker 2: Brady and Bill you know they you know, and it

1952
01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:54,200
Speaker 2: just wasn't gonna work.

1953
01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:56,200
Speaker 3: To mere Bird wouldn't have moved in Brady's need.

1954
01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:56,559
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1955
01:26:56,840 --> 01:27:00,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's hard to imagine that's getting on what we

1956
01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:03,000
Speaker 4: saw personnel wise in nineteen. It's hard to imagine that

1957
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:06,599
Speaker 4: team getting to the super Bowl in twenty with Brady. Now,

1958
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:09,759
Speaker 4: the other thing you can look at what actually did happen.

1959
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:14,160
Speaker 4: You know, twenty we had to reset everything, you know

1960
01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:16,800
Speaker 4: we were, so would that have been a reset year?

1961
01:27:16,920 --> 01:27:19,840
Speaker 4: Even more exacerbated by the fact that you had to

1962
01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:23,320
Speaker 4: resign Brady and give him twenty five million, which reportedly

1963
01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:26,080
Speaker 4: was what he was looking for. And so no, I

1964
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:28,360
Speaker 4: don't think they would have but I agree with it.

1965
01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:31,400
Speaker 3: Just twenty five million, that's it.

1966
01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:35,040
Speaker 2: Oh God, Neil and New Brunswick. I caught a little

1967
01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:38,240
Speaker 2: of the playbook with guest hosts Sean from Vancouver and

1968
01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:41,679
Speaker 2: Todd from Todd from North Carolina. Sean I thought did great.

1969
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:44,360
Speaker 2: He was honest, not afraid to give his opinion, even

1970
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:47,280
Speaker 2: had some jokes. Todd was Todd the Eric of callers.

1971
01:27:48,520 --> 01:27:51,840
Speaker 2: Oh wow, we liked the caller on Caller Crome. We

1972
01:27:51,920 --> 01:27:53,320
Speaker 2: do to that way, we don't have to do it.

1973
01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:57,040
Speaker 2: I was quite surprised by Fred on Tuesday defending Joe

1974
01:27:57,160 --> 01:27:59,479
Speaker 2: Judge so much. Can't we just say thank you to

1975
01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:03,200
Speaker 2: him like we were instructed by Fred on Matt Patricia

1976
01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:06,120
Speaker 2: and move on the giants? Did you a huge favor

1977
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:08,679
Speaker 2: taking this guy from you and you bring him back?

1978
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:12,519
Speaker 2: Why we talk about Bill trending towards players who would

1979
01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:15,240
Speaker 2: be suited for the NFL game twenty years ago. Does

1980
01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:16,799
Speaker 2: he have the same flaw with coaches?

1981
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:21,320
Speaker 6: I think for me, the thing with Joe Judge with

1982
01:28:21,439 --> 01:28:26,040
Speaker 6: Bill is that, like you said yesterday, Joe Judge knows

1983
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:29,840
Speaker 6: football like Jojudg is a good football coach in the

1984
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:33,480
Speaker 6: respect of he understands x's and o's, he knows techniques

1985
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:36,839
Speaker 6: like he knows the game, and he's experienced in that regard.

1986
01:28:37,200 --> 01:28:39,160
Speaker 6: I think the one disconnect that I think we all

1987
01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:42,200
Speaker 6: see with Joe Judge that maybe they don't agree with

1988
01:28:42,439 --> 01:28:45,240
Speaker 6: or just don't think is true or whatever, is that

1989
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:50,200
Speaker 6: he like the people person like he's not. It's a

1990
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:54,120
Speaker 6: personality thing, it's a relationships thing. No one's denying that

1991
01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:57,519
Speaker 6: he knows that Joe Judge is an experienced good football

1992
01:28:57,720 --> 01:29:00,840
Speaker 6: He's been coaching football at the NFL level for fifteen years.

1993
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:04,280
Speaker 6: Like no one's saying that that's not the case. I

1994
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:09,040
Speaker 6: just you wonder about him. And yesterday I admit like

1995
01:29:09,439 --> 01:29:11,800
Speaker 6: hearing him barking out orders and stuff like that, again,

1996
01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:15,280
Speaker 6: I was like like, I don't know, Like that's just

1997
01:29:15,439 --> 01:29:19,320
Speaker 6: not it's just not really. You look at how the

1998
01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:21,599
Speaker 6: other other coaches do it, even just on this team.

1999
01:29:21,960 --> 01:29:23,639
Speaker 6: You just don't hear that type of stuff.

2000
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:25,880
Speaker 2: I don't know. Special teams has always been that way.

2001
01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:28,920
Speaker 2: You know, they get their moment, you know, okay, seventh

2002
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:31,519
Speaker 2: and seven then special you know, and they have to

2003
01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:34,360
Speaker 2: make no they honestly, they have to make the most.

2004
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:35,040
Speaker 6: That's fair.

2005
01:29:35,160 --> 01:29:36,680
Speaker 2: They have to make the most out of that time.

2006
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:39,479
Speaker 2: And it's always like one guy barking and I will I.

2007
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:42,280
Speaker 4: Will say this for Fred that's a fresh point, brilliant

2008
01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:45,960
Speaker 4: for special teams just by definition, it's more spread out,

2009
01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:48,559
Speaker 4: so you do kind of have to have a little

2010
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:52,120
Speaker 4: bit of a louder voice. But I also think whatever's

2011
01:29:52,120 --> 01:29:54,400
Speaker 4: talking about is true. It's like there's a difference between

2012
01:29:54,439 --> 01:29:57,240
Speaker 4: like Brad Seal you are, you know, you need to

2013
01:29:57,400 --> 01:29:59,599
Speaker 4: know who to block, Like you could hear his voice

2014
01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:03,600
Speaker 4: ringing through the stadium right with Joe Jadgson just always seems.

2015
01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:06,200
Speaker 3: Like he's screaming at somebody and like it's just it's

2016
01:30:06,240 --> 01:30:08,639
Speaker 3: about everything. Like it's one thing to just say like hey,

2017
01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:12,880
Speaker 3: you guys said no tomatoes. You know, it's just like

2018
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:14,840
Speaker 3: he's yelling at everybody all the time.

2019
01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:18,639
Speaker 2: Uh spiing fres Now for each of you, what one

2020
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:21,800
Speaker 2: feature of Max game is most important to improve if

2021
01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:27,200
Speaker 2: he's to notably exceed his rookie season performance. What one

2022
01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:28,040
Speaker 2: I don't know.

2023
01:30:28,240 --> 01:30:29,720
Speaker 3: Performance under pressure.

2024
01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:30,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, i'd agree with that.

2025
01:30:31,200 --> 01:30:35,480
Speaker 4: I would too, pocket presence, slash games.

2026
01:30:35,200 --> 01:30:39,760
Speaker 2: On the line, I would say with that comes to recognition,

2027
01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:43,599
Speaker 2: you know, like under pressure, are you recognizing what's happening?

2028
01:30:45,320 --> 01:30:48,519
Speaker 6: So you're talking about like clutch yeah, but but just that.

2029
01:30:48,640 --> 01:30:49,120
Speaker 2: But also it.

2030
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:50,800
Speaker 3: Doesn't even have to be like game running drives. It

2031
01:30:50,920 --> 01:30:52,360
Speaker 3: just has to be like, look, the tenor of the

2032
01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:54,519
Speaker 3: game right now is that your team needs to drive.

2033
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:57,200
Speaker 4: Like the four quarters of you know, like Minnesota last year,

2034
01:30:57,760 --> 01:31:00,120
Speaker 4: great and then nothing in the fourth quarter, you know,

2035
01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:02,639
Speaker 4: four quarters of high level.

2036
01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:04,960
Speaker 6: I just wanted to take because I also think that

2037
01:31:05,400 --> 01:31:08,479
Speaker 6: performance literally under pressure is something that he could be

2038
01:31:08,520 --> 01:31:11,639
Speaker 6: a lot better at. So I just wanted to clarify

2039
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:12,040
Speaker 6: the line.

2040
01:31:12,160 --> 01:31:13,880
Speaker 3: I think like, look, you know, and maybe he's looking

2041
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:15,479
Speaker 3: for like arm strength or you know, like those kind

2042
01:31:15,520 --> 01:31:17,880
Speaker 3: of like technical like you know, physical actutes. I don't

2043
01:31:17,880 --> 01:31:20,560
Speaker 3: none of it matters, Like its just performers. Like he

2044
01:31:20,640 --> 01:31:23,040
Speaker 3: throws the ball well enough, he has enough you know,

2045
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:26,559
Speaker 3: athletic talent to play in He can in this league.

2046
01:31:26,640 --> 01:31:28,360
Speaker 3: Mac can play in this league, he throws the ball well,

2047
01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:29,320
Speaker 3: he can play in this league.

2048
01:31:29,360 --> 01:31:30,000
Speaker 2: I'll say that.

2049
01:31:30,080 --> 01:31:33,040
Speaker 4: If he's given the structure around him, he throws the

2050
01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:36,120
Speaker 4: ball well enough to get the job done. Now can

2051
01:31:36,200 --> 01:31:38,920
Speaker 4: he do if it breaks down? I don't think he

2052
01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:39,679
Speaker 4: has that skills.

2053
01:31:39,800 --> 01:31:41,320
Speaker 6: I think, like when you look at guys like Kirk

2054
01:31:41,360 --> 01:31:43,760
Speaker 6: Cousins or Jimmy G or Derek Carr, Like, I think

2055
01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:49,360
Speaker 6: Mac is in the same physical ballparks as those types

2056
01:31:49,400 --> 01:31:52,639
Speaker 6: of guys. But you know, those types of guys don't

2057
01:31:52,680 --> 01:31:55,280
Speaker 6: always have what Deuce is looking for, right, they don't

2058
01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:56,240
Speaker 6: always have the moxy.

2059
01:31:56,960 --> 01:31:59,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say, uh, though, I think that's a

2060
01:32:00,439 --> 01:32:02,479
Speaker 4: pretty good group that you just came up with off

2061
01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:05,080
Speaker 4: the top of your head. I would say, just player

2062
01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:09,280
Speaker 4: for player. I would put Jimmy G and Carr athletically

2063
01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:13,840
Speaker 4: ahead of Cousins and Mac, and I would probably put

2064
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:18,040
Speaker 4: Mac fourth on that list in terms of overall skill set. Now,

2065
01:32:18,120 --> 01:32:20,920
Speaker 4: where he makes up for it, hopefully, where Tom will

2066
01:32:20,960 --> 01:32:24,200
Speaker 4: see it, you know, is with his aptitude and in

2067
01:32:24,240 --> 01:32:25,800
Speaker 4: his ability to understand what they're doing.

2068
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:28,000
Speaker 2: And that's the thing. If that's a superpower, let's see

2069
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:31,599
Speaker 2: it now under pressure, what's his decision making.

2070
01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:35,519
Speaker 4: For as inconsistent as some of those guys have been. Now,

2071
01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:38,400
Speaker 4: I don't think Cousins has been great under the gun.

2072
01:32:38,439 --> 01:32:41,439
Speaker 4: Now he has some like last second wins under his belt,

2073
01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:45,240
Speaker 4: but not big game wins under his Maybe the one

2074
01:32:45,240 --> 01:32:48,040
Speaker 4: against the Patriots is the biggest one, right, Derek Carr

2075
01:32:48,360 --> 01:32:51,360
Speaker 4: is a guy who has been pretty good in tough

2076
01:32:51,400 --> 01:32:55,120
Speaker 4: spots at times, just not consistently enough. Jimmy, it's all

2077
01:32:55,160 --> 01:32:57,760
Speaker 4: Health's a that's a different I.

2078
01:32:57,840 --> 01:32:59,560
Speaker 6: Just wonder like, and this is it could be a

2079
01:32:59,640 --> 01:33:02,840
Speaker 6: question for the panel, like if Mac, let's say Mac

2080
01:33:03,040 --> 01:33:06,320
Speaker 6: ends up being Kirk Cousins, Like that's would you rather

2081
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:09,400
Speaker 6: ten years of Kirk Cousins or would you rather keep

2082
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:11,800
Speaker 6: trying for the Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen?

2083
01:33:11,960 --> 01:33:15,960
Speaker 3: Right, Well, the thing is, you guys.

2084
01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:19,000
Speaker 2: Know what I think if Kirk Cousins had Bill Belichick

2085
01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:21,240
Speaker 2: as his head coach, would he have had I won

2086
01:33:21,320 --> 01:33:22,280
Speaker 2: a championship right now?

2087
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:23,479
Speaker 6: I don't know.

2088
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:25,960
Speaker 2: Then I then I want to keep I.

2089
01:33:25,960 --> 01:33:27,880
Speaker 6: Don't know if you would have won a championship, And

2090
01:33:28,040 --> 01:33:30,360
Speaker 6: I don't know if you would have would win a championship,

2091
01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:33,200
Speaker 6: But I think Bill with Kirk Cousins is a playoff

2092
01:33:33,240 --> 01:33:35,640
Speaker 6: team every year like I think you're I mean, the

2093
01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:38,200
Speaker 6: Vikings are a playoff team almost every year with Kirk Cousins,

2094
01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:39,880
Speaker 6: So I just I.

2095
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:43,200
Speaker 2: Want championships, you know. I want a quarterback who's good

2096
01:33:43,320 --> 01:33:45,519
Speaker 2: enough to you know, he doesn't have this guy I

2097
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:47,680
Speaker 2: want to. I want a quarterback who can win US

2098
01:33:47,720 --> 01:33:48,400
Speaker 2: a championship.

2099
01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:51,240
Speaker 6: And I am assuming the panel thinks that Kirk Cousins

2100
01:33:51,320 --> 01:33:52,519
Speaker 6: can is not capable.

2101
01:33:52,680 --> 01:33:53,639
Speaker 2: No, I'm not disagreeing.

2102
01:33:53,680 --> 01:33:54,240
Speaker 3: I'm just saying.

2103
01:33:54,280 --> 01:33:56,400
Speaker 4: I'm saying I'm saying if he's I think I'm probably

2104
01:33:56,800 --> 01:33:58,559
Speaker 4: lower on Cousins than the panel.

2105
01:33:58,640 --> 01:34:00,479
Speaker 2: If Bill can win a championship of them, that I'm

2106
01:34:00,520 --> 01:34:01,559
Speaker 2: okay with Kirk Cousins.

2107
01:34:01,880 --> 01:34:04,560
Speaker 3: But you're saying, no, I've got Recncy bias, like I

2108
01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:06,439
Speaker 3: always do. But Kirk Cousins played out of his mind

2109
01:34:06,479 --> 01:34:09,040
Speaker 3: against Patriots last year, so I have I just watch

2110
01:34:09,080 --> 01:34:09,920
Speaker 3: against other teams.

2111
01:34:10,080 --> 01:34:12,040
Speaker 6: That's the thing, though, is like, and the reason why

2112
01:34:12,080 --> 01:34:15,120
Speaker 6: I bring up Kirk Cousins. I think that there giants

2113
01:34:15,160 --> 01:34:18,080
Speaker 6: in the playoffs at home. He's a pretty volatile quarterback.

2114
01:34:18,200 --> 01:34:20,640
Speaker 6: I think you either really think he stinks or you

2115
01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:23,160
Speaker 6: think that he's better than people think. And I don't

2116
01:34:23,160 --> 01:34:25,080
Speaker 6: necessarily know if I think he's better than people think.

2117
01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:28,000
Speaker 6: But I think he's good enough. And I just look

2118
01:34:28,040 --> 01:34:29,320
Speaker 6: at Mac and I think that he can be.

2119
01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:32,519
Speaker 4: You're probably right about Cousins. He's probably good enough.

2120
01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:34,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, especially when you're thrown to Justin Jefferson, Like, you know,

2121
01:34:35,240 --> 01:34:37,680
Speaker 6: I'm okay, but.

2122
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:41,479
Speaker 4: He's probably just my stubbornness aside. He's probably good enough.

2123
01:34:41,960 --> 01:34:44,080
Speaker 4: I just think he's one of those guys that what

2124
01:34:44,200 --> 01:34:46,599
Speaker 4: do I need him for? If I have everything else,

2125
01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:49,080
Speaker 4: I can put anybody in there, right, and I would

2126
01:34:49,120 --> 01:34:51,839
Speaker 4: say anybody's good enough, you know, short of like Zach Wilson.

2127
01:34:51,880 --> 01:34:54,920
Speaker 3: I mean, he's the poster child for this kind of quarterback.

2128
01:34:54,720 --> 01:34:55,720
Speaker 2: You know, just like he used to be.

2129
01:34:55,760 --> 01:34:59,200
Speaker 3: Andy Dalton, the minimum acceptable guy that you can talk

2130
01:34:59,280 --> 01:35:01,439
Speaker 3: yourself into that maybe we have a chance to know.

2131
01:35:01,520 --> 01:35:05,200
Speaker 4: Andy Dalton's another great one. You know, those Bengals teams

2132
01:35:05,240 --> 01:35:10,400
Speaker 4: that he inherited his first three four years excellent, excellent teams,

2133
01:35:10,840 --> 01:35:13,320
Speaker 4: and everybody was like, he's really good.

2134
01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:15,639
Speaker 3: I fell into it. Yeah, So I'm not even making

2135
01:35:15,640 --> 01:35:18,559
Speaker 3: fun of anybody. I'm making fun of myself. I thought

2136
01:35:18,680 --> 01:35:19,560
Speaker 3: he was part of that.

2137
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:22,880
Speaker 4: Now the rest of his career has told us he

2138
01:35:23,040 --> 01:35:25,439
Speaker 4: was along for the ride, like based on what he's

2139
01:35:25,479 --> 01:35:29,120
Speaker 4: done since he's not had that kind of ability around him.

2140
01:35:29,200 --> 01:35:32,000
Speaker 4: And I think justin Jefferson's a probably.

2141
01:35:31,960 --> 01:35:36,080
Speaker 6: Because I tend to lean, you know, into the mactruther

2142
01:35:36,240 --> 01:35:37,720
Speaker 6: side of things, like I tend to be on Max

2143
01:35:37,800 --> 01:35:40,120
Speaker 6: side on a lot of things. But even I can

2144
01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:43,960
Speaker 6: recognize two years in that is Mac ever going to

2145
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:49,120
Speaker 6: be a generational, like elite MVP caliber quarterback Like I

2146
01:35:49,200 --> 01:35:51,400
Speaker 6: don't think so that's going to be the reason you

2147
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:53,559
Speaker 6: win right now. You can put it that way too,

2148
01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:56,320
Speaker 6: and you might say, that's okay, I don't need my

2149
01:35:56,439 --> 01:35:57,720
Speaker 6: quarterback to be the version I win.

2150
01:35:57,840 --> 01:36:00,760
Speaker 3: That's I think Bill would probably subscribe. I can't talk

2151
01:36:00,840 --> 01:36:02,880
Speaker 3: myself into that, But what I could talk myself into

2152
01:36:03,040 --> 01:36:04,840
Speaker 3: is that maybe it just all clicks and they get

2153
01:36:04,880 --> 01:36:07,559
Speaker 3: the right offensive coordinator. They might not have a number one,

2154
01:36:07,640 --> 01:36:10,799
Speaker 3: but they've got enough variation in their receivers and backs

2155
01:36:10,840 --> 01:36:12,800
Speaker 3: and weapons and all that stuff to make it and

2156
01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:14,920
Speaker 3: you know that it all clicks at once and there's

2157
01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:18,160
Speaker 3: nobody who's the superstar. But you know, I still think

2158
01:36:18,200 --> 01:36:21,240
Speaker 3: that that is possible. But I honestly I question it

2159
01:36:21,320 --> 01:36:23,760
Speaker 3: now in this league with you know, guys like Mahomes,

2160
01:36:23,840 --> 01:36:26,200
Speaker 3: and you know, just the talent level at the quarterback

2161
01:36:26,240 --> 01:36:28,880
Speaker 3: position and how quickly teams can score. And I mean,

2162
01:36:28,920 --> 01:36:31,640
Speaker 3: it's just it feels like if you don't honestly go

2163
01:36:31,720 --> 01:36:33,880
Speaker 3: into the playoffs feeling like our team could maybe score

2164
01:36:33,920 --> 01:36:35,760
Speaker 3: it any minute if they had to, like they were

2165
01:36:35,800 --> 01:36:38,439
Speaker 3: a play away to score, Like I don't. It's hard

2166
01:36:38,479 --> 01:36:39,360
Speaker 3: to win in the league this year.

2167
01:36:39,400 --> 01:36:41,040
Speaker 2: If you don't feel that way, you don't have that.

2168
01:36:41,840 --> 01:36:43,840
Speaker 2: David writes in it's the off season, so it's the

2169
01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:46,280
Speaker 2: only time to ask these questions. Fred is a laptop

2170
01:36:46,360 --> 01:36:48,040
Speaker 2: in front of him, and it looks like Evan has

2171
01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:50,280
Speaker 2: a mouse and keyboard in front of him. Whatnot? Right now,

2172
01:36:50,760 --> 01:36:53,200
Speaker 2: I was just wondering what those were for. I'm reading

2173
01:36:53,240 --> 01:36:56,280
Speaker 2: your email, That's what it's for. Another note, maybe you

2174
01:36:56,320 --> 01:36:58,639
Speaker 2: should give Mike a keyboard so we can stop unscrewing

2175
01:36:58,680 --> 01:36:59,040
Speaker 2: that pen.

2176
01:36:59,680 --> 01:37:02,840
Speaker 3: Dude, I'm so conscious of like I fiddle, I fiddle

2177
01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:04,600
Speaker 3: with this, yeah, fiddle with this.

2178
01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:08,400
Speaker 6: I guess my phone was a mouse. Maybe I don't know.

2179
01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:10,280
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I kind of.

2180
01:37:10,600 --> 01:37:12,719
Speaker 4: I could see with the Death Star, yeah yeah.

2181
01:37:12,600 --> 01:37:13,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I try.

2182
01:37:13,360 --> 01:37:15,320
Speaker 3: I like to have my just a roster so I

2183
01:37:15,400 --> 01:37:16,840
Speaker 3: have like a visual queue of guys.

2184
01:37:17,080 --> 01:37:18,800
Speaker 6: You're a print out guy.

2185
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:20,240
Speaker 3: Just that's all I need in front of me in

2186
01:37:20,280 --> 01:37:22,479
Speaker 3: case I'm trying to think of like somebody's like what player,

2187
01:37:22,520 --> 01:37:23,000
Speaker 3: and then I can.

2188
01:37:23,680 --> 01:37:25,120
Speaker 2: I don't like to have stuff to get to big.

2189
01:37:25,200 --> 01:37:25,720
Speaker 2: I'm with Mike.

2190
01:37:25,800 --> 01:37:27,200
Speaker 4: I'm big on having the stuff in front of me

2191
01:37:27,240 --> 01:37:29,840
Speaker 4: when there are specific things that I feel will come

2192
01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:31,960
Speaker 4: up on printouts, and I have that, and I have

2193
01:37:32,040 --> 01:37:38,599
Speaker 4: a read Sometimes this Grandpa needs Grandpa needs the readers. Yeah,

2194
01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:41,880
Speaker 4: so sometimes you know this. I knew today we were

2195
01:37:41,920 --> 01:37:43,680
Speaker 4: just gonna be talking about what we saw yesterday, so

2196
01:37:44,040 --> 01:37:46,280
Speaker 4: I didn't know it's all up in this that's in

2197
01:37:46,320 --> 01:37:47,800
Speaker 4: the steel trap. And I asked me about it in

2198
01:37:47,880 --> 01:37:49,920
Speaker 4: three weeks forget about it gone. You asked me about

2199
01:37:49,960 --> 01:37:52,280
Speaker 4: what happened in two thousand t A.

2200
01:37:52,400 --> 01:37:53,080
Speaker 2: I mean that was great.

2201
01:37:53,120 --> 01:37:55,599
Speaker 4: You shot Baker, the touchdown maker. I'll tell you about him.

2202
01:37:56,040 --> 01:37:58,840
Speaker 2: The phones are stacked up eight five five pats five hundred.

2203
01:37:59,000 --> 01:38:02,240
Speaker 2: Let's go to the UK where Claire is on the phone.

2204
01:38:02,880 --> 01:38:10,240
Speaker 2: What's up Claire? Everyone? He girl, Fred friend, have you

2205
01:38:10,280 --> 01:38:11,880
Speaker 2: read out my emails because I've missed a.

2206
01:38:11,880 --> 01:38:14,240
Speaker 3: Little bit in between no emails?

2207
01:38:15,880 --> 01:38:16,400
Speaker 2: Is that plural?

2208
01:38:16,720 --> 01:38:16,760
Speaker 14: No?

2209
01:38:16,920 --> 01:38:19,320
Speaker 2: I haven't read you just one, just one.

2210
01:38:20,240 --> 01:38:22,360
Speaker 10: Basically, I need to agree with Deuce on Bearringer.

2211
01:38:22,600 --> 01:38:24,479
Speaker 22: I think he's like, Yeah, he's my guy.

2212
01:38:24,680 --> 01:38:25,880
Speaker 8: He's kind of sneaky sexy.

2213
01:38:26,280 --> 01:38:27,519
Speaker 15: I think he's the thing this year.

2214
01:38:27,640 --> 01:38:28,840
Speaker 10: I'm really excited about that.

2215
01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:30,599
Speaker 2: You like guys and glasses.

2216
01:38:32,160 --> 01:38:34,120
Speaker 4: Well, Claire, you know I do have my readers back

2217
01:38:34,160 --> 01:38:34,759
Speaker 4: in my office.

2218
01:38:39,840 --> 01:38:40,679
Speaker 2: Cheky monkey.

2219
01:38:44,960 --> 01:38:45,160
Speaker 8: Yeah.

2220
01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:48,680
Speaker 10: Well, when Vixy was on my show, we talked about it,

2221
01:38:48,720 --> 01:38:51,280
Speaker 10: and I hinted that I think might be barrangary, sneaky sexy,

2222
01:38:51,400 --> 01:38:53,519
Speaker 10: and he may be an adult movie star.

2223
01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:55,920
Speaker 2: Oh. I took a turn.

2224
01:38:57,560 --> 01:39:00,919
Speaker 3: And Jimmy psa Bearing Bearinger?

2225
01:39:03,680 --> 01:39:05,920
Speaker 6: What's Bearringer? That's the thing, right, It's like a company

2226
01:39:06,040 --> 01:39:06,320
Speaker 6: or something.

2227
01:39:06,840 --> 01:39:09,800
Speaker 3: I knew a kid, but yeah, just I'm just telling

2228
01:39:09,800 --> 01:39:10,280
Speaker 3: for everybody.

2229
01:39:10,400 --> 01:39:13,519
Speaker 8: My question was, there's no time coach on staff on

2230
01:39:13,680 --> 01:39:15,960
Speaker 8: like patrios dot com website, and I just wondered if

2231
01:39:15,960 --> 01:39:17,400
Speaker 8: you'd heard anything about it.

2232
01:39:17,439 --> 01:39:23,439
Speaker 6: Will the beings will lying lying then? Today?

2233
01:39:25,080 --> 01:39:27,120
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, he's a young dude too. He's like I

2234
01:39:27,680 --> 01:39:31,400
Speaker 2: seemed like he's fresh off college or something. But yeah, no,

2235
01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:34,520
Speaker 2: he's there. Well, Joe Judge will be the officially.

2236
01:39:34,200 --> 01:39:34,839
Speaker 10: On the website.

2237
01:39:34,880 --> 01:39:37,040
Speaker 15: I mean, he's definitely the tiant coach.

2238
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:37,559
Speaker 5: That he's out there.

2239
01:39:38,920 --> 01:39:42,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, they said, Bill said yesterday, you know, very

2240
01:39:42,080 --> 01:39:43,920
Speaker 6: nice of him to let us know that they'll get

2241
01:39:44,120 --> 01:39:47,559
Speaker 6: around to announce coaching staff soon, so maybe one of us.

2242
01:39:47,680 --> 01:39:50,559
Speaker 3: In all serious he did add something along the lines

2243
01:39:50,600 --> 01:39:51,080
Speaker 3: that we're.

2244
01:39:50,960 --> 01:39:55,439
Speaker 4: Still working through some things, right, which maybe was just

2245
01:39:55,560 --> 01:39:58,320
Speaker 4: a throwaway line that didn't have any meaning. But I

2246
01:39:58,360 --> 01:39:59,559
Speaker 4: don't think he has a lot of those.

2247
01:40:00,320 --> 01:40:00,519
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2248
01:40:00,840 --> 01:40:04,200
Speaker 4: I think usually when he says something well, no, no,

2249
01:40:04,439 --> 01:40:08,639
Speaker 4: not about tight ends, just about the titles and the staff.

2250
01:40:08,720 --> 01:40:12,000
Speaker 4: You just keep your tight end infatuation in check.

2251
01:40:12,360 --> 01:40:15,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it drives PR crazy because they need to print

2252
01:40:15,880 --> 01:40:19,559
Speaker 2: the media guide and they they that's always the last

2253
01:40:19,640 --> 01:40:20,360
Speaker 2: thing they're waiting for.

2254
01:40:20,600 --> 01:40:22,759
Speaker 6: I imagine there's one person in PR in particular.

2255
01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:27,679
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, thanks Claire. Good to hear from you. Dan

2256
01:40:27,800 --> 01:40:28,920
Speaker 2: in Virginia and Michigan.

2257
01:40:28,960 --> 01:40:33,920
Speaker 14: What's up, Dan, I wanted to say congratulations to Pull

2258
01:40:34,000 --> 01:40:38,080
Speaker 14: on his boy graduating. I'll go mine's coming up next year,

2259
01:40:38,160 --> 01:40:40,160
Speaker 14: so I know there's a lot of work that goes

2260
01:40:40,200 --> 01:40:40,479
Speaker 14: into that.

2261
01:40:40,680 --> 01:40:43,479
Speaker 2: You can get Dusty though, thank you very much.

2262
01:40:44,400 --> 01:40:47,360
Speaker 4: Of course. It's the most beautiful week, most beautiful week.

2263
01:40:47,400 --> 01:40:50,840
Speaker 4: Of weather we've had so far this season. But that's

2264
01:40:50,880 --> 01:40:53,439
Speaker 4: all going to come to a screeching halt evidently on Saturday,

2265
01:40:53,880 --> 01:40:56,200
Speaker 4: when it's going to be fifty eight, rainy and windy. Yeah,

2266
01:40:56,200 --> 01:40:57,679
Speaker 4: we have read so when I have one hundred people

2267
01:40:57,720 --> 01:40:58,080
Speaker 4: coming to my.

2268
01:40:58,120 --> 01:41:01,439
Speaker 2: House, still got the pool open them? You have a

2269
01:41:01,640 --> 01:41:05,080
Speaker 2: graduation party at your house? Yeah, that's just for family,

2270
01:41:05,160 --> 01:41:08,680
Speaker 2: though not for his friends to oh, boy, ready for that?

2271
01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:11,400
Speaker 2: And it's just my friend many Ray.

2272
01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:13,760
Speaker 4: No, I'd be ready for it. On a day like today,

2273
01:41:13,840 --> 01:41:16,680
Speaker 4: we'd be fine. But what I'm hearing about Saturday, I

2274
01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:18,320
Speaker 4: have no idea what Beth and I are going to

2275
01:41:18,400 --> 01:41:20,760
Speaker 4: do in my house is not big enough for the

2276
01:41:20,800 --> 01:41:21,960
Speaker 4: amount of people that will be there.

2277
01:41:22,680 --> 01:41:23,120
Speaker 2: Got a heat?

2278
01:41:23,160 --> 01:41:25,160
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't have your estate.

2279
01:41:27,200 --> 01:41:29,680
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't have a pool anymore, Paul, you have

2280
01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:32,080
Speaker 2: a pool? Still hear about Freda Pelooza.

2281
01:41:32,520 --> 01:41:39,880
Speaker 4: Freda were legendary, good times, good times. Uh, don't hang up.

2282
01:41:40,120 --> 01:41:44,560
Speaker 14: You were discussing. You're discussing coaching shortcomings before you know,

2283
01:41:44,760 --> 01:41:47,760
Speaker 14: Patricia Judge and so forth, And it seems a big

2284
01:41:47,880 --> 01:41:51,719
Speaker 14: part of their vailue to to you know, go anyway

2285
01:41:51,720 --> 01:41:53,439
Speaker 14: with their other teams and This goes all the way

2286
01:41:53,439 --> 01:41:57,240
Speaker 14: back to McDaniels and something even Bill let Brown is

2287
01:41:57,280 --> 01:41:59,519
Speaker 14: that it's the people skills. It's not the football skills.

2288
01:41:59,560 --> 01:42:01,439
Speaker 14: It really seem to be that these guys just don't

2289
01:42:01,560 --> 01:42:04,479
Speaker 14: do well with people. And does that make sin? That

2290
01:42:04,560 --> 01:42:07,560
Speaker 14: was even part of Bill's problem back in Cleveland was

2291
01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:10,679
Speaker 14: that he just didn't didn't go uh, didn't get along

2292
01:42:10,720 --> 01:42:11,280
Speaker 14: well with people?

2293
01:42:11,479 --> 01:42:11,640
Speaker 22: Is that?

2294
01:42:12,880 --> 01:42:13,040
Speaker 10: You know?

2295
01:42:13,080 --> 01:42:15,760
Speaker 14: Is that something particular to New England that we've got

2296
01:42:15,800 --> 01:42:18,840
Speaker 14: a lot of guys that just don't play well with others?

2297
01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:27,720
Speaker 2: Org, Yeah, I mean it's it's tough. Well, when you're

2298
01:42:27,760 --> 01:42:30,000
Speaker 2: a young coach like McDaniels was when he went to

2299
01:42:30,080 --> 01:42:32,960
Speaker 2: Denver and you make big changes like he did at

2300
01:42:32,960 --> 01:42:37,599
Speaker 2: the quarterback position, it's tough. It better work he's doing

2301
01:42:37,640 --> 01:42:40,040
Speaker 2: it again. Yeah, it better work or you know, you

2302
01:42:40,200 --> 01:42:41,559
Speaker 2: lose some guys, all right.

2303
01:42:41,600 --> 01:42:44,160
Speaker 4: But I would never characterize Josh as a guy who

2304
01:42:44,840 --> 01:42:45,639
Speaker 4: is not personable.

2305
01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:47,760
Speaker 2: No, no, mao.

2306
01:42:48,280 --> 01:42:49,920
Speaker 4: You know a lot of the coaches and it's like,

2307
01:42:50,120 --> 01:42:52,519
Speaker 4: I don't think of Bill O'Brien is not being personal.

2308
01:42:52,680 --> 01:42:54,479
Speaker 4: But you know, but I think Joe Judge has that

2309
01:42:54,600 --> 01:42:56,080
Speaker 4: reputation being a little bit.

2310
01:42:56,280 --> 01:42:59,280
Speaker 2: And Patricia, you know famously went to Detroit and with

2311
01:42:59,400 --> 01:43:02,200
Speaker 2: the sprinting and you know, telling people they don't have

2312
01:43:02,280 --> 01:43:04,200
Speaker 2: any rings, and he's got rings and all that.

2313
01:43:05,160 --> 01:43:09,000
Speaker 4: But again that's I think that's an error in leadership,

2314
01:43:09,080 --> 01:43:13,719
Speaker 4: not necessarily a personality. Like I think that the similar

2315
01:43:13,800 --> 01:43:15,800
Speaker 4: mistake that a lot of the guys have made is

2316
01:43:15,880 --> 01:43:18,960
Speaker 4: they've all tried to emulate Bill. They've all tried to

2317
01:43:19,040 --> 01:43:23,799
Speaker 4: be ruling from above with an iron fist. One problem,

2318
01:43:24,800 --> 01:43:27,200
Speaker 4: you don't have the rings that validate that.

2319
01:43:28,640 --> 01:43:30,839
Speaker 2: If Bill, you know, Bill couldn't do it in Cleveland,

2320
01:43:31,520 --> 01:43:35,000
Speaker 2: you know, and yeah, Bill, and if two thousands.

2321
01:43:36,640 --> 01:43:37,519
Speaker 3: I mean, that's a great point.

2322
01:43:37,640 --> 01:43:41,240
Speaker 4: Like Bill was probably no different personality wise in Cleveland

2323
01:43:41,280 --> 01:43:44,120
Speaker 4: than he is now. Right, But he's able to succeed

2324
01:43:44,280 --> 01:43:48,360
Speaker 4: now without being the most personable person that we've seen

2325
01:43:48,720 --> 01:43:51,280
Speaker 4: because he's one, right, and they they, I mean, you

2326
01:43:51,439 --> 01:43:53,519
Speaker 4: hear the guys talk about it like he's one of

2327
01:43:53,560 --> 01:43:56,080
Speaker 4: the best. He's done this, he's done that, and his

2328
01:43:56,240 --> 01:43:59,120
Speaker 4: track record speaks for itself. Yeah, So this is like

2329
01:43:59,800 --> 01:44:01,840
Speaker 4: a madic respect that's attached to that.

2330
01:44:02,040 --> 01:44:04,640
Speaker 3: I think Rabel's an interesting person because he's got like,

2331
01:44:05,040 --> 01:44:07,240
Speaker 3: you know, like he's a ballbuster, but like this person

2332
01:44:07,360 --> 01:44:10,040
Speaker 3: deering about him, and you know, it's just I think

2333
01:44:10,040 --> 01:44:11,639
Speaker 3: there's a lot of different ways to do it. They'll

2334
01:44:11,720 --> 01:44:13,920
Speaker 3: bottom line is like, here's your team, gonna listen to

2335
01:44:13,960 --> 01:44:14,560
Speaker 3: you and buy into it.

2336
01:44:14,680 --> 01:44:18,719
Speaker 2: You're in charge of fifty three guys, you know, plus

2337
01:44:18,920 --> 01:44:23,840
Speaker 2: practice squats, the coaches, and they need to think that

2338
01:44:23,960 --> 01:44:26,040
Speaker 2: you know what you're talking about, because if they don't

2339
01:44:26,080 --> 01:44:28,400
Speaker 2: think you know what you're talking about, you just lose

2340
01:44:28,439 --> 01:44:32,280
Speaker 2: the room, you know. Uh So you have to have

2341
01:44:32,439 --> 01:44:34,719
Speaker 2: that gravitas. And if you don't have it right away,

2342
01:44:35,640 --> 01:44:38,960
Speaker 2: then you better know what you're talking about and eventually

2343
01:44:39,040 --> 01:44:41,599
Speaker 2: get results or people just they want to win.

2344
01:44:41,960 --> 01:44:43,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, well that's what you hear, Like, you know,

2345
01:44:43,840 --> 01:44:45,920
Speaker 3: young coaches talk about young coaches who are you know,

2346
01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:47,960
Speaker 3: thrown into a room maybe with guys that are that

2347
01:44:48,040 --> 01:44:50,320
Speaker 3: are older than you as a coach. And I've heard

2348
01:44:50,360 --> 01:44:51,760
Speaker 3: some you know, people just saying like they just the

2349
01:44:51,800 --> 01:44:54,360
Speaker 3: players just want to know that you're putting them in

2350
01:44:54,479 --> 01:44:57,400
Speaker 3: positions to succeed, that you're helping them be successful.

2351
01:44:57,400 --> 01:45:01,080
Speaker 2: By listening to you, I'll get yeah, and we'll win.

2352
01:45:01,240 --> 01:45:03,160
Speaker 3: And if they do, they start to earn the trust

2353
01:45:03,200 --> 01:45:04,120
Speaker 3: and then it builds and.

2354
01:45:04,479 --> 01:45:07,960
Speaker 2: Ye thanks, Dan, appreciate the call. Let's go to Willem

2355
01:45:08,000 --> 01:45:09,479
Speaker 2: and philam, what's up? William? Nice?

2356
01:45:10,800 --> 01:45:11,320
Speaker 12: What's going on?

2357
01:45:11,640 --> 01:45:12,360
Speaker 2: How you doing good?

2358
01:45:13,720 --> 01:45:14,040
Speaker 1: Okay?

2359
01:45:14,280 --> 01:45:18,800
Speaker 8: Uh have a question for for Evan or not? Evan? So,

2360
01:45:19,560 --> 01:45:23,040
Speaker 8: are you familiar with the quarterback from the USC named

2361
01:45:23,280 --> 01:45:24,840
Speaker 8: Caleb Williams and lost thing's name?

2362
01:45:24,880 --> 01:45:25,160
Speaker 22: Correct?

2363
01:45:25,360 --> 01:45:25,599
Speaker 6: You are?

2364
01:45:25,880 --> 01:45:27,000
Speaker 2: Yes? You never heard of him.

2365
01:45:29,360 --> 01:45:30,240
Speaker 3: As the other day?

2366
01:45:32,240 --> 01:45:32,640
Speaker 6: What's up?

2367
01:45:33,280 --> 01:45:36,360
Speaker 8: Just here my take on it, Evan. Don't be sucking

2368
01:45:36,400 --> 01:45:38,520
Speaker 8: your teeth and row your eyes and you always.

2369
01:45:41,160 --> 01:45:41,360
Speaker 11: Like that?

2370
01:45:42,600 --> 01:45:42,880
Speaker 1: All right?

2371
01:45:42,920 --> 01:45:43,160
Speaker 2: Okay?

2372
01:45:43,240 --> 01:45:46,760
Speaker 8: So look, so let's say the pictures, you know, they're

2373
01:45:46,920 --> 01:45:49,040
Speaker 8: like they go eight and nine again or nine to

2374
01:45:49,040 --> 01:45:52,040
Speaker 8: eight whatever though, man just can't get us over the hump, right,

2375
01:45:52,400 --> 01:45:54,559
Speaker 8: And that's just another loss on Bill too. On top

2376
01:45:54,600 --> 01:45:57,840
Speaker 8: of it, do you do you see a scenario where

2377
01:45:58,920 --> 01:46:02,719
Speaker 8: Bill just said, you know what, I just makes it forget.

2378
01:46:02,840 --> 01:46:06,360
Speaker 8: You know, let's just going for the number one drastick

2379
01:46:06,520 --> 01:46:08,640
Speaker 8: and try and trade up and just you know it

2380
01:46:08,760 --> 01:46:11,040
Speaker 8: might say three first round taste the couple of dude,

2381
01:46:11,120 --> 01:46:13,000
Speaker 8: I don't want three feat your stulf. I don't know,

2382
01:46:13,240 --> 01:46:16,439
Speaker 8: but do you see I guess the Bill would do

2383
01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:17,080
Speaker 8: something like that.

2384
01:46:17,560 --> 01:46:23,479
Speaker 6: No, I don't see a scenario. Then you guys can

2385
01:46:23,520 --> 01:46:26,200
Speaker 6: disagree with me where Bill would give up significant draft

2386
01:46:26,479 --> 01:46:27,519
Speaker 6: capital for one player.

2387
01:46:27,920 --> 01:46:34,120
Speaker 4: Ever, so we're eight to nine picking around fourteen, that's

2388
01:46:34,160 --> 01:46:36,320
Speaker 4: hard to get up high enough for that, I would agree.

2389
01:46:36,320 --> 01:46:37,439
Speaker 3: I think the only way to get him is that

2390
01:46:37,560 --> 01:46:39,760
Speaker 3: you stink, stink, you lose a couple.

2391
01:46:40,240 --> 01:46:43,280
Speaker 4: You don't have to stink. You can instead of going

2392
01:46:43,320 --> 01:46:46,840
Speaker 4: eight to nine, if you you know, even seven six,

2393
01:46:47,040 --> 01:46:51,080
Speaker 4: get you top ten. Now I'm not closing that door.

2394
01:46:51,320 --> 01:46:55,280
Speaker 4: I agree with Evan. Fifteen to one, that's a lot. Well,

2395
01:46:55,520 --> 01:46:58,479
Speaker 4: but if it's like eight to one, maybe that might

2396
01:46:58,520 --> 01:46:59,879
Speaker 4: be something a little bit more palatable.

2397
01:47:00,080 --> 01:47:02,720
Speaker 6: The Panthers what they were right around that, like eight

2398
01:47:02,920 --> 01:47:06,040
Speaker 6: or nine to one. And as for Bryce Young, who

2399
01:47:06,200 --> 01:47:09,519
Speaker 6: is nowhere near the prospect that Caleb Williams is. So

2400
01:47:11,520 --> 01:47:14,000
Speaker 6: to get that guy, I like, I don't know, I'm

2401
01:47:14,160 --> 01:47:17,080
Speaker 6: going to have to give up you know, a real.

2402
01:47:18,560 --> 01:47:19,400
Speaker 2: Like the whole farm.

2403
01:47:20,960 --> 01:47:22,720
Speaker 8: Yeah, so what so what do you do? I mean

2404
01:47:22,760 --> 01:47:24,600
Speaker 8: I heard you talking about Kirk Cousins, and I'm like,

2405
01:47:24,800 --> 01:47:29,479
Speaker 8: he's been hearing the NFL pocket. No, he's not dancing. No,

2406
01:47:30,160 --> 01:47:32,400
Speaker 8: so you want to you want something better than that

2407
01:47:32,760 --> 01:47:35,400
Speaker 8: or even Kirk cousins. But my question to you, I mean,

2408
01:47:35,479 --> 01:47:37,840
Speaker 8: you know, you the football analyst and everything, so you know,

2409
01:47:38,560 --> 01:47:40,400
Speaker 8: I'm just trying to get your what did we do?

2410
01:47:40,560 --> 01:47:42,320
Speaker 8: We went eight and nine?

2411
01:47:42,360 --> 01:47:42,639
Speaker 1: Again?

2412
01:47:43,080 --> 01:47:45,720
Speaker 8: Bill can't do whatever again, So that's a strike on Bill.

2413
01:47:46,040 --> 01:47:48,759
Speaker 8: You know, mister krafft be pissed off because you didn't

2414
01:47:48,800 --> 01:47:49,519
Speaker 8: make the playoffs?

2415
01:47:50,400 --> 01:47:50,880
Speaker 11: What do we do?

2416
01:47:51,560 --> 01:47:54,560
Speaker 6: I think you know my opinion only, and then you

2417
01:47:54,640 --> 01:47:57,479
Speaker 6: guys can all again disagree. If I were the Patriots

2418
01:47:57,520 --> 01:47:59,719
Speaker 6: at that point, I'd be going for a veteran quarterback.

2419
01:48:00,400 --> 01:48:03,240
Speaker 6: I just I don't really have any interest in going

2420
01:48:03,960 --> 01:48:09,320
Speaker 6: back into the rookie well again in trying to at best,

2421
01:48:09,360 --> 01:48:10,720
Speaker 6: what you're trying to do is what you're trying to

2422
01:48:10,800 --> 01:48:12,720
Speaker 6: do now, which is like win with all the other

2423
01:48:12,840 --> 01:48:15,600
Speaker 6: parts and all and you know, everybody pulling together and

2424
01:48:15,680 --> 01:48:20,160
Speaker 6: not just the quarterback. Like a trade for another or

2425
01:48:20,560 --> 01:48:23,400
Speaker 6: a move for a veteran. There's always one veteran that

2426
01:48:23,520 --> 01:48:25,920
Speaker 6: moves in the offseason. This year was Aaron Rodgers, last

2427
01:48:26,000 --> 01:48:29,519
Speaker 6: year was Russell Wilson. Like whoever that ends up being that,

2428
01:48:29,720 --> 01:48:32,040
Speaker 6: that's what I especially if Bill's gonna still be the coach,

2429
01:48:32,760 --> 01:48:35,240
Speaker 6: I don't really have much interest in Bill trying to

2430
01:48:35,320 --> 01:48:38,800
Speaker 6: groom another young quarterback because the time he doesn't have

2431
01:48:38,880 --> 01:48:40,800
Speaker 6: the time. And he also just I don't know if

2432
01:48:40,880 --> 01:48:46,920
Speaker 6: he connects with this generation well enough. Because as much

2433
01:48:46,960 --> 01:48:49,200
Speaker 6: as you can call Mac Jones a baby, and you

2434
01:48:49,240 --> 01:48:51,800
Speaker 6: can call Mac Jones, you know, his pouting and his

2435
01:48:51,880 --> 01:48:55,360
Speaker 6: tantrums like guess what, like, that's a lot of athletes

2436
01:48:55,400 --> 01:48:56,680
Speaker 6: are gonna be wired.

2437
01:48:56,439 --> 01:48:57,440
Speaker 3: That way nowadays.

2438
01:48:57,880 --> 01:49:00,559
Speaker 6: And if they get Caleb Williams here, they get Drake

2439
01:49:00,640 --> 01:49:04,320
Speaker 6: may here or one of these kJ Jefferson and it

2440
01:49:04,400 --> 01:49:06,240
Speaker 6: doesn't go well right out of the gate and there's

2441
01:49:06,280 --> 01:49:08,320
Speaker 6: some friction there. It's going to be the same story.

2442
01:49:08,479 --> 01:49:11,479
Speaker 6: So I just have really no interest in going back

2443
01:49:11,520 --> 01:49:14,040
Speaker 6: in the draft for a quarterback. I would at that

2444
01:49:14,160 --> 01:49:17,160
Speaker 6: point try to maximize the last two or three years

2445
01:49:17,240 --> 01:49:19,960
Speaker 6: that Bill has with a proven veteran guy.

2446
01:49:20,760 --> 01:49:23,240
Speaker 8: That's just me though, Just one more thing and then

2447
01:49:23,560 --> 01:49:26,920
Speaker 8: I'm out Theel Wallie and whatnot. I'll just try to

2448
01:49:26,960 --> 01:49:29,320
Speaker 8: put this all in one though. Well, in terms of

2449
01:49:29,360 --> 01:49:32,560
Speaker 8: fight for Matt Jones, though, I get it, you know,

2450
01:49:32,680 --> 01:49:34,679
Speaker 8: the punt and all that deal. But the man wants

2451
01:49:34,720 --> 01:49:38,400
Speaker 8: to win. I think that's that's his frustration. He really

2452
01:49:38,439 --> 01:49:40,680
Speaker 8: wants to win and you see how things is and

2453
01:49:40,760 --> 01:49:42,920
Speaker 8: he could see it from his perspective as a quarter there.

2454
01:49:44,200 --> 01:49:46,720
Speaker 8: I know they was gonna say. I ain't saying that

2455
01:49:46,800 --> 01:49:49,120
Speaker 8: Max should be in a stame page with them, but

2456
01:49:49,439 --> 01:49:50,840
Speaker 8: I don't know. They just need to come together the

2457
01:49:50,920 --> 01:49:53,439
Speaker 8: pictures also, they're just too much in the news. Is

2458
01:49:53,479 --> 01:49:56,720
Speaker 8: always that they've been in like twenty twenty season, and

2459
01:49:56,800 --> 01:49:59,720
Speaker 8: it was always something the page is this the I mean,

2460
01:50:00,040 --> 01:50:03,840
Speaker 8: y'all was telling us everything from all up in there

2461
01:50:03,880 --> 01:50:06,960
Speaker 8: and then we are again starting off on a bad

2462
01:50:07,040 --> 01:50:12,760
Speaker 8: foot with over Joe Judge. He can't even be nowhere

2463
01:50:12,800 --> 01:50:14,400
Speaker 8: to need to pa. But I'm gonna leave that alone though.

2464
01:50:14,479 --> 01:50:16,560
Speaker 8: But but I'll leave it at jfros. But you know,

2465
01:50:16,680 --> 01:50:18,240
Speaker 8: I just want to know what would we do with

2466
01:50:18,280 --> 01:50:20,880
Speaker 8: that's all them? But have a good one next weekend.

2467
01:50:21,720 --> 01:50:23,080
Speaker 2: Okay, it's tough question.

2468
01:50:23,240 --> 01:50:24,559
Speaker 3: I mean in some ways, it's just I mean, it's

2469
01:50:24,880 --> 01:50:26,479
Speaker 3: like we've always talked about it's hardest to be in

2470
01:50:26,520 --> 01:50:28,880
Speaker 3: the middle, Like it's the decisions are easy when you're

2471
01:50:28,880 --> 01:50:30,880
Speaker 3: a three four win team or or a three or

2472
01:50:30,920 --> 01:50:32,120
Speaker 3: four wins lost team.

2473
01:50:32,439 --> 01:50:34,439
Speaker 2: If it was easy, every team would do and keep.

2474
01:50:34,320 --> 01:50:36,840
Speaker 3: Blasting out eight win season after eight win season, you

2475
01:50:36,920 --> 01:50:38,360
Speaker 3: know what, eventually you're gonna have to say, Look, we

2476
01:50:38,439 --> 01:50:39,840
Speaker 3: might have to bite the bullet and take a half

2477
01:50:39,880 --> 01:50:42,560
Speaker 3: step back to you know, get past this mediocrity that

2478
01:50:42,600 --> 01:50:43,280
Speaker 3: we've had a few I.

2479
01:50:43,280 --> 01:50:45,519
Speaker 2: Think William's point is it's that or you bite the

2480
01:50:45,600 --> 01:50:48,679
Speaker 2: bullet and sell the farm to get that guy.

2481
01:50:48,880 --> 01:50:51,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, no, I don't. I mean, if you

2482
01:50:51,160 --> 01:50:52,880
Speaker 3: get to that point, I wouldn't. I mean, I wouldn't

2483
01:50:52,880 --> 01:50:53,360
Speaker 3: be against it.

2484
01:50:54,120 --> 01:50:56,640
Speaker 2: Alan in Texas, I've been listening to the show for

2485
01:50:56,720 --> 01:50:58,759
Speaker 2: eight or more years, and I really enjoyed the football

2486
01:50:58,800 --> 01:51:01,560
Speaker 2: information as well as the entertain When Andy left, I

2487
01:51:01,720 --> 01:51:03,879
Speaker 2: was a bit concerned and who would provide the entertainment?

2488
01:51:03,920 --> 01:51:05,840
Speaker 2: He seemed to be able to start an argument over

2489
01:51:05,960 --> 01:51:09,320
Speaker 2: any topic. That being said, the new lineup is fantastic.

2490
01:51:09,880 --> 01:51:13,599
Speaker 2: Deuce has the fanboy energy that is contagious, and Evans's

2491
01:51:13,640 --> 01:51:16,559
Speaker 2: knowledge is very informative. Man Fred, your humor at times

2492
01:51:16,600 --> 01:51:20,439
Speaker 2: is subtle, genius. Paul has the knowledge and the Italian

2493
01:51:20,520 --> 01:51:23,160
Speaker 2: attitude that I grew up with. My question is this,

2494
01:51:23,880 --> 01:51:26,160
Speaker 2: how much of being a coordinator is an art form?

2495
01:51:26,680 --> 01:51:29,800
Speaker 2: That's kind of a segue. How much is knowledge of

2496
01:51:29,880 --> 01:51:32,840
Speaker 2: the game, which do you think is more important? Is

2497
01:51:32,960 --> 01:51:35,479
Speaker 2: the art form harder to teach? And is that what

2498
01:51:35,640 --> 01:51:38,960
Speaker 2: separates a good coordinator from a mediocre one. Well, Andy

2499
01:51:39,000 --> 01:51:42,639
Speaker 2: always said that calling plays is more of an art sure,

2500
01:51:42,880 --> 01:51:45,560
Speaker 2: while a lot of the other stuff is science, you know.

2501
01:51:46,000 --> 01:51:48,320
Speaker 2: And that's the thing, like we've always I've always talked

2502
01:51:48,320 --> 01:51:53,080
Speaker 2: about coordinator. Different teams have different roles for that title,

2503
01:51:53,520 --> 01:51:56,760
Speaker 2: Like there's the architect of the offense, there's the guy

2504
01:51:56,800 --> 01:51:58,600
Speaker 2: who comes in with the game plan, and then the

2505
01:51:58,640 --> 01:52:02,360
Speaker 2: guy who calls the plays. And sometimes it's all the same,

2506
01:52:02,920 --> 01:52:05,760
Speaker 2: and that's a true coordinator, you know, somebody who does

2507
01:52:05,840 --> 01:52:09,040
Speaker 2: all three things. But as we've seen, that's not always

2508
01:52:09,040 --> 01:52:11,639
Speaker 2: the case on all teams, Like sometimes the guy calling

2509
01:52:11,680 --> 01:52:16,160
Speaker 2: the plays isn't necessarily the guy architecting the offense.

2510
01:52:16,240 --> 01:52:16,400
Speaker 1: You know.

2511
01:52:16,880 --> 01:52:18,960
Speaker 3: And some teams don't even have the architect of the

2512
01:52:19,000 --> 01:52:23,519
Speaker 3: offense on staff, like us, what do you mean it's

2513
01:52:24,680 --> 01:52:28,800
Speaker 3: Josh McDaniels didn't design that offense. Bill O'Brien didn't design that.

2514
01:52:29,000 --> 01:52:29,200
Speaker 15: I know.

2515
01:52:29,280 --> 01:52:31,760
Speaker 2: But I'm just talking about the architect of heaven who

2516
01:52:32,400 --> 01:52:37,479
Speaker 2: this edition of the offense this year's off Yeah, yeah,

2517
01:52:37,920 --> 01:52:40,080
Speaker 2: but I'm just talking about, like who's in charge of

2518
01:52:40,120 --> 01:52:42,479
Speaker 2: the offense this year, like the overall, like, this is

2519
01:52:42,520 --> 01:52:44,320
Speaker 2: what our offense is going to look like this year.

2520
01:52:44,479 --> 01:52:46,559
Speaker 2: It's Bill O'Brien. Yes, it's Bill O'Brien.

2521
01:52:46,640 --> 01:52:50,240
Speaker 6: And that's what I've always like wanted. And Josh was

2522
01:52:50,320 --> 01:52:53,879
Speaker 6: this through and through like the head coach of the offense,

2523
01:52:54,080 --> 01:52:56,120
Speaker 6: Like so you're not the head coach of the whole

2524
01:52:56,160 --> 01:52:59,280
Speaker 6: team like Bill, but Bill O'Brien is the head coach

2525
01:52:59,320 --> 01:53:02,719
Speaker 6: of the Offense's it's his vision, it's his play sheet,

2526
01:53:03,040 --> 01:53:05,639
Speaker 6: it's it's his group like that, And that's I think

2527
01:53:05,720 --> 01:53:08,679
Speaker 6: what when this team has thrived, it's been Charlie Weiss,

2528
01:53:08,840 --> 01:53:11,280
Speaker 6: it's been Josh McDaniels, it's been Bill O'Brien, it's been

2529
01:53:11,280 --> 01:53:13,360
Speaker 6: when they've had totally agree that guy.

2530
01:53:13,640 --> 01:53:15,400
Speaker 4: Right, And I think most teams have that. There are

2531
01:53:15,479 --> 01:53:18,639
Speaker 4: some like Kansas City that Andy Reid who's the head coach,

2532
01:53:18,720 --> 01:53:21,920
Speaker 4: but he's that guy, he's the head coach of the offense, yea.

2533
01:53:22,360 --> 01:53:24,479
Speaker 4: But most teams have a guy.

2534
01:53:24,840 --> 01:53:25,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2535
01:53:25,200 --> 01:53:27,040
Speaker 3: I do think the question is interesting though, just the

2536
01:53:27,120 --> 01:53:29,560
Speaker 3: different philosophy kind of on the offensive side of the

2537
01:53:29,600 --> 01:53:31,000
Speaker 3: ball versus the defensive side.

2538
01:53:30,840 --> 01:53:31,160
Speaker 2: Of the ball.

2539
01:53:31,520 --> 01:53:33,200
Speaker 3: Jokes aside, I mean, I would. I would think it

2540
01:53:33,360 --> 01:53:36,000
Speaker 3: was probably a very interesting interview just to talk to

2541
01:53:36,040 --> 01:53:40,240
Speaker 3: Matt Patricia about the different mindset of offensively trying to

2542
01:53:40,280 --> 01:53:42,479
Speaker 3: be creative and trying to you know, put the defense

2543
01:53:42,520 --> 01:53:45,240
Speaker 3: in a pickle. You can't really be creative in play calling,

2544
01:53:45,400 --> 01:53:47,680
Speaker 3: Like I think the creativity and defense is probably set

2545
01:53:47,760 --> 01:53:50,240
Speaker 3: up before the game. But you know, it's almost the

2546
01:53:50,320 --> 01:53:52,759
Speaker 3: level of anticipation that you have to have on the defense.

2547
01:53:53,120 --> 01:53:55,400
Speaker 4: That's what I think Bill now still to this day,

2548
01:53:55,479 --> 01:53:56,200
Speaker 4: I think that's.

2549
01:53:56,080 --> 01:53:59,320
Speaker 2: Bill seeing what's going on out there, seeing.

2550
01:53:59,200 --> 01:54:00,880
Speaker 3: Well, adjusting to what's going on.

2551
01:54:01,200 --> 01:54:03,800
Speaker 4: Many times you see them go the other team goes

2552
01:54:03,880 --> 01:54:05,120
Speaker 4: right down the field on it, and then all of

2553
01:54:05,160 --> 01:54:07,400
Speaker 4: a sudden he chunes back to the field for like

2554
01:54:07,760 --> 01:54:10,000
Speaker 4: the next two minutes. He talks to the defensive players

2555
01:54:10,040 --> 01:54:12,040
Speaker 4: and they come out and it's like totally right.

2556
01:54:12,880 --> 01:54:15,880
Speaker 2: But you know, going back to like, you know, young coaches,

2557
01:54:15,920 --> 01:54:18,599
Speaker 2: if I were to give, you know, advice to any

2558
01:54:18,680 --> 01:54:21,840
Speaker 2: young coach, I'd say, don't be afraid to hire coordinators

2559
01:54:21,840 --> 01:54:24,640
Speaker 2: who are smarter than you. You know, if it's your

2560
01:54:24,680 --> 01:54:28,120
Speaker 2: first time being a head coach, you know, focus on

2561
01:54:28,280 --> 01:54:32,480
Speaker 2: that and not being the architect of the defense. Higher

2562
01:54:32,640 --> 01:54:36,840
Speaker 2: really strong coordinators, you know, and eventually maybe you don't

2563
01:54:36,880 --> 01:54:38,880
Speaker 2: need them. Then then you can start you know, while

2564
01:54:38,960 --> 01:54:42,320
Speaker 2: you have these you know, experienced guys, you're grooming young

2565
01:54:42,400 --> 01:54:46,200
Speaker 2: guys to eventually take their place. But get people around

2566
01:54:46,240 --> 01:54:49,840
Speaker 2: you that are have more experience than you do so

2567
01:54:49,960 --> 01:54:51,680
Speaker 2: that you can focus on being a head coach.

2568
01:54:51,960 --> 01:54:54,400
Speaker 6: Yeah. I don't know if they had more experience than Bill.

2569
01:54:54,480 --> 01:54:56,240
Speaker 6: But like some of the staffs that the Patriots have

2570
01:54:56,320 --> 01:55:00,160
Speaker 6: had in the dynasty run, like are just ridiculous. Look

2571
01:55:00,240 --> 01:55:03,640
Speaker 6: back at like the twenty fourteen and really twenty sixteen

2572
01:55:03,680 --> 01:55:06,200
Speaker 6: when Scarman came back. I mean it's crazy. It's like

2573
01:55:06,280 --> 01:55:09,160
Speaker 6: Brian Dabele was coaching tight ends on that staff. You know,

2574
01:55:09,520 --> 01:55:11,720
Speaker 6: it's and you go down the whole list. These guys

2575
01:55:11,760 --> 01:55:13,840
Speaker 6: that are are now coming up to being like co

2576
01:55:14,320 --> 01:55:18,160
Speaker 6: head coaching candidates were like low level assistants on those

2577
01:55:18,200 --> 01:55:20,760
Speaker 6: staffs like that, those types of staffs, you can tell

2578
01:55:20,840 --> 01:55:22,600
Speaker 6: why they were so successful. But he loaded.

2579
01:55:22,680 --> 01:55:25,280
Speaker 2: But even when Bill came here, you know, he had

2580
01:55:25,360 --> 01:55:29,960
Speaker 2: Romeo Crenell, Yeah, Charlie Weiss, he had you know, Brad Seely,

2581
01:55:30,000 --> 01:55:33,320
Speaker 2: I don't know when Seely was here, brat the Audio Starve. Yeah,

2582
01:55:33,360 --> 01:55:36,720
Speaker 2: these are all guys that a lot of experience, and

2583
01:55:36,840 --> 01:55:40,000
Speaker 2: so by having those guys, the young guys could learn

2584
01:55:40,120 --> 01:55:40,400
Speaker 2: under that.

2585
01:55:40,600 --> 01:55:44,960
Speaker 4: To Evan's point, Josh McDaniels and Brian Dable were coaching assistants. Yeah,

2586
01:55:45,080 --> 01:55:48,160
Speaker 4: and they lat Patricia was a coaching assistant those guys. Yeah,

2587
01:55:48,360 --> 01:55:49,240
Speaker 4: that's how they learned.

2588
01:55:49,360 --> 01:55:49,520
Speaker 2: Right.

2589
01:55:49,840 --> 01:55:51,800
Speaker 3: You're speaking to another point of you know, they've lost

2590
01:55:51,840 --> 01:55:53,520
Speaker 3: a lot of those guys, and now are these young

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01:55:53,600 --> 01:55:55,280
Speaker 3: guys that have been kind of added over the last

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Speaker 3: couple of seasons, Evan Rothsteins, like, are those guys going

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Speaker 3: to develop into those those kind of caliber.

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Speaker 4: The most recent exodus forced some of the coaching assistant

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Speaker 4: types into positional roles probably before they were ready for them.

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Speaker 4: And I think that's been part of I mean, I'm

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Speaker 4: not saying it's like an underrated part because people talk

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Speaker 4: about it a lot, but I do think it is

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Speaker 4: a big part of the struggles. You know, it's not

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Speaker 4: just Tom Brady left, their frauds, It's not Nothing is

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Speaker 4: ever that simple.

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Speaker 3: It's an opportunity for like Mayo Covington, you know, those

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Speaker 3: kind of guys that you know are now really starting

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Speaker 3: to get noticed around the way.

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Speaker 4: Do you think Steve Belichick is a much better coach

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Speaker 4: today than the guy who went in front of the

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Speaker 4: safeties and said, yeah, I know coaching safety. Like of

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Speaker 4: course he's grown into that.

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Speaker 2: Raisin Washington will finish up the show with your call.

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Speaker 2: What's up? Ray?

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Speaker 8: So I'm wondering with Evan posted something on his Twitter

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Speaker 8: earlier that was throwing match at a bomb to Taekwon

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Speaker 8: and I want to know how far that one.

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Speaker 6: Above forty yards?

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Speaker 3: I would say in the air.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the play itself was about would have been

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Speaker 2: a touchdown. Yeah, nobody there. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Badar just retweeted it, by the way and said this

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Speaker 4: was not against air.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I know nobody's hating, but I think that he's probably

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Speaker 4: he's on my back backing us up because he's probably listening.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Hey, everybody's hating. It's just a it's a it's

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Speaker 6: a clip from the spring, all right, we don't we

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Speaker 6: don't need to. No one's saying they're winning the Super

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Speaker 6: Bowl because Mac completed to pass the Taekwon thoron on

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Speaker 6: May thirty. First, thank you, thanks for the call, all right, Ray,

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Speaker 6: thanks for the call.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate it.

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Speaker 19: All right.

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Speaker 2: This guy that's gonna be it for this edition of

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Speaker 2: Patriots Unfiltered. Stay tuned for Catch twenty two with Evan

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Speaker 2: and Alex more overreaction to the OTA. We'll be back

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Speaker 2: next week. We'll see you next Tuesday.

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